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With Hawkman, Green Lantern and other franchises he has taken the sum total of their histories and incorporated them into a cohesive story. With the Legion, he chose where he wanted to pick up the threads, and made continuity tweaks along the way to suit his purposes.
I just think that he really would have impressed me by taking over the Legion...Post 5YG and gone from there. There are ways to do it...believe me. You'll see the ideas I had soon.
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quote:Originally posted by Dev Em: I just think that he really would have impressed me by taking over the Legion...Post 5YG and gone from there. There are ways to do it...believe me. You'll see the ideas I had soon.
I agree with your take on the other books and on Legion but how would taking over Legion 5YL not also be cheating? That wasn't the Legion in play.
Though I'm an old ADV guy, I prefer Shooter's attempts at salvaging the mess that had occurred.
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If the powers that be were intent on bringing back the "Classic" Legion...and it seems they were as they have been bringing back all of their Silver Age Heroes...(Hal, Barry, Carter, Ollie, and others.) Then they could have taken the thought of taking the full sum of what those characters went through (as they did with all of those mentioned) and that would have included the 5YG stories.
Geoff had a hand in a good majority of these resets with Silver Age Heroes, and he used everything at his disposal, but not for the Legion.
I just think that's not playing 100% fair. That's all.
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quote:Originally posted by Dev Em: If the powers that be were intent on bringing back the "Classic" Legion...and it seems they were as they have been bringing back all of their Silver Age Heroes...(Hal, Barry, Carter, Ollie, and others.) Then they could have taken the thought of taking the full sum of what those characters went through (as they did with all of those mentioned) and that would have included the 5YG stories.
I agree with that statement Dev. I also agree it'd be fairly easy to use the TMK era and change the entire attitude of that era to fit with what Geoff is trying to do. A few minor tweaks--many of them to style rather than continuity--would accomplish it.
I wonder if some major hurdles stopped Geoff from doing this though: death of Sun Boy; death of Blok; Schvaughn; Proty-Garth; etc. He especially seems to like using Blok and Dirk so maybe that was a factor.
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Blok and Dirk could both easily be brought back if desired. SW6 Dirk was still alive, and who knows what it actually takes to kill a sentient rock creature. Blok could conceivably re-assemble himself, for example.
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Well, it could be done (in fact, I think you and I had a topic once where we discussed that), but I'm sure all of those things affected the Geoff's decision of where to cut-off continuity. I'm not arguing if that's right or wrong (I'm a little burnt out on that at this point ).
I'd forgotten about the SW6 Legion too...I always think that if the TMK timeline had been restored, they'd have been swept under the rug almost immediately, just because I know how comic book companies, editors and creators are.
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I would actually go so far as to say that Johns's take on the Legion might actually make more sense if it were supposed to be a continuation of the 5YG. We actually see the roots of anti-alien sentiment in the 5YG/SW6 stories. This would have been far more acceptable to me than trying to retcon this whole dystopian vision into the backstory of the Legion.
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At first it seemed Geoff's cut-off was Crisis, but that obviously isn't right anymore. There was even a little uncertainty if it was around the time of Superboy's death. Now its at least the all the way until the end of Levitz's run, with some considerable time passing in between, since there was a Karate Kid II and the Sensor Girl / Tellus / etc. group are firmly secure in continuity. Of course, that doesn't explain inconsistencies of Val re-appearing alive or even Xerox being a planet again, but I wouldn't hold my breath for those explanations. When all is said and done, we might learn that its actually after TMK after all--with an "oh, we forgot to tell you Sun Boy was ressurected, Blok is back..."
I'm half-kidding but only half.
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Well, that goes to the deeper problem that they really just don't seem to have had a clear plan at all in introducing this version of the Legion. Like so much of DC's current approach to writing comics, they seem to be just making it up as they go along, with little concern as to whether a story is consistent with what they published last month. One can only hope that Levitz can at least straighten some of this mess out.
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In all honesty, I don't think anyone over there (at DC) actually knows the continuity well enough to put it all together. I'm hoping Paul Levitz can make some sense of it all but I don't expect him to know it as well as...well, as well as we do.
What they need there, and I mean "they" as in all of DC and all of Marvel, are editors who actually know this continuity chapter & verse and can make sense of it. Let the writers tell their stories without continuity guiding them, but keep the editors aware of continuity so the writers are flowing in the right direction without screwing things up. Of course, editors need to be able to do a host of other things, like actually add some value to what the artists are doing (and I see a lot of instances where that doesn't seem to be the case IMO) but thats a conversation for another time.
It'd be pretty helpful if the editor on Action Comics said to Gary Frank: "this is beautiful Gary but you forgot to put Tyroc in there--you can draw him in right there and we'll have your inker make sure it looks great". No explanation needed to the readership then.
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I will say that with the SW6, and the "older" Legionnaires, there was easy ways to make a multi-generational team. Do not forget that several key members of the "older" group were de-aged, made older, etc.
Again, I want to reread some stuff, but I am going to post my thoughts soon.
It does all start with the Time Trapper re-establishing his timeline in the DCU proper. It involves the DCU proper and the Pocket Dimension.
Some characters will stay deceased, some will return...some surprisingly, and not everyone will be happy with some characters decisions, or what decisions they're forced to make.
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quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Well, that goes to the deeper problem that they really just don't seem to have had a clear plan at all in introducing this version of the Legion. Like so much of DC's current approach to writing comics, they seem to be just making it up as they go along, with little concern as to whether a story is consistent with what they published last month. One can only hope that Levitz can at least straighten some of this mess out.
This is actually the thrust of my problem with Geoff's decisions. Geoff has proven time and again that he is able to understand and utilize the complex histories for a compelling story.
I just wish he had done this for the Legion.
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