check it out. in action 850 Supergirl is trying to find a way to the present. and the issue is extra sized. looks like our first interaction with the present DCU. the issue is part of the May solicits, will be 48 pages, and will be $3.99.
I wonder if my prediction about Brainy inventing time travel will come true?
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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Interesting. I look forward to seeing what the Legion solicit says.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
Link? Pretty please?
Posted by wndola1 on :
ACTION COMICS #850 Written by Kurt Busiek Art and cover by Renato Guedes In this extra-sized special issue, writer Kurt Busiek reunites with artist Renato Guedes to visit the 31st Century and the Girl of Steel! Supergirl’s looking for a way to back from the future and to realize why Superman doesn’t want her to wear the “S” shield, but both Superman and Supergirl in for a big surprise when they see what the past has in store! With time-viewing sneak peaks at the upcoming year's events! On sale May 30 • FC, 48 pg, $3.99 US
[ February 10, 2007, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: wndola1 ]
Posted by wndola1 on :
I really hope they don't take her back yet. I was just starting to warm up to her
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
Very cool. Thanks!
Posted by DocGym'll on :
So was the little "reveal" in the Fortress from the Action Annual all a setup to this issue?
What if it goes like this:
Superman heads to the 31st century to bring back Supergirl. He meets the current Waid LSH, and says "hey, wait a minute, you guys aren't the Legion I know. Where are the pink bikinis, etc? Kara, I knew we should have made that left turn at Albequerque - we're in an alternate timeline/universe/hypertime bypass/whatever!" The issue then paves the way for the cancellation of the Waid series and the return of the classic Legion being hinted at through JSA, the Action Annual, etc.
Just for the record, I actually enjoy the current Legion quite a bit and wouldn't like to see it go. Actually, I've been collecting the Legion for about 25 years, and have enjoyed almost every version of them.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I think they're definitely setting up a "this isn't the Legion I know!" type problem. What the payoff of it is going to be... I don't know.
Posted by wamu2 on :
quote:Originally posted by DocGym'll: So was the little "reveal" in the Fortress from the Action Annual all a setup to this issue?
What if it goes like this:
Superman heads to the 31st century to bring back Supergirl. He meets the current Waid LSH, and says "hey, wait a minute, you guys aren't the Legion I know. Where are the pink bikinis, etc? Kara, I knew we should have made that left turn at Albequerque - we're in an alternate timeline/universe/hypertime bypass/whatever!" The issue then paves the way for the cancellation of the Waid series and the return of the classic Legion being hinted at through JSA, the Action Annual, etc.
Just for the record, I actually enjoy the current Legion quite a bit and wouldn't like to see it go. Actually, I've been collecting the Legion for about 25 years, and have enjoyed almost every version of them.
there's one problem with that scenario, Waid has always said that this Legion is the future after IC. editors and the powers that be can always change their minds and/or deceive the readers.
also, Mon-el is here. and based on the Action Annual he is the same Mon-el that superman put in the phantom zone.
I am going to stop now, time travel stuff gives me a headache. Posted by Set on :
quote: Just for the record, I actually enjoy the current Legion quite a bit and wouldn't like to see it go.
I prefer the original team, but I remember reading both JLA and JSA back in the day, with Earth 1 and Earth 2 versions of Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, etc. At around the same time, I was reading Avengers comics with Captain America, and Invaders comics with WW2 Captain America, Namor, etc. without a problem.
I'd be perfectly fine with 'earth 1 and earth 2' Legions. Something for everyone.
Posted by superboymddjr on :
whoa,, where did you get that from? I thought that the solicitation for the May 2007 was next week's Monday or this Monday?!? Posted by wamu2 on :
quote:Originally posted by superboymddjr: whoa,, where did you get that from? I thought that the solicitation for the May 2007 was next week's Monday or this Monday?!?
newsarama usually runs an early preview with 3 or 4 early solicts. but yeah, the full one won't be out until Monday.
Posted by MLLASH on :
LEGION: Set to become more popular, confusing than ever before!
Posted by lil'rhino on :
Wow! Wotta cover!
Posted by wndola1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: I think they're definitely setting up a "this isn't the Legion I know!" type problem. What the payoff of it is going to be... I don't know.
I don't agree. I think this is just a set up for a way to showcase a clip show as it were. SG looks in on what is coming up in action by visiting the local library.
but to make things more confusing. I think they aren't canceling the current run, they are bringing back the silver age and the SG in legion is not the same SG as in Supergirl... I also think the part of Superman in the future will be skillfully played by Reep Daggle in an atempt to test Supergirl.
Oh and why is Cosmic Boy not on the cover?
Posted by Jerry on :
Scroll down on the previews: A Titan dies! Who could it be?
Posted by Tromium on :
Kurt Busiek responded in the Newsarama thread and elsewhere (some excerpts):
"We've been coordinating it all with Mark Waid and Mike Marts. I don't know whether you'll see any tie-in from their side, but it does fit into their continuity." .......
"It's set in the current Legion time period. At least, the Legion scenes are." ......
"From the story side of things, #850 takes place in the Legion's time, in the past, in the rough present, in the near future and even a few times that can't be described as any of those." .....
"In fact, ACTION 850 is co-written by me, Geoff and Fabian, as a big anniversary issue, a celebration of the new era and a look at the future.." .....
"It will very, very much be a Superman anniversary issue. And bringing in Supergirl -- it makes sense for her to be in an anniversary issue, since she also debuted in ACTION COMICS" .....
Which "Superman anniversary" are they talking about?
In answer to questions about the Legion statues in the Fortress, he added:
"Darn good questions. And while I wasn't referring to that (I didn't work on the Action Annual, except for about four captions, so I didn't do any coordinating there), I will say that there's more to see on that front, too, and it'll be coming along."
Make of it what you will, but it sounds like it's *all* in continuity -- as long as we understand that "continuity" will have a more flexible definition than before.
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by wamu2: there's one problem with that scenario, Waid has always said that this Legion is the future after IC. editors and the powers that be can always change their minds and/or deceive the readers.
also, Mon-el is here. and based on the Action Annual he is the same Mon-el that superman put in the phantom zone.
Since the future after IC is the Multiverse, this statement remains true no matter what.
DCU = DC UniverseS
[ February 11, 2007, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: Tromium ]
Posted by wamu2 on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium:
quote:Originally posted by wamu2: there's one problem with that scenario, Waid has always said that this Legion is the future after IC. editors and the powers that be can always change their minds and/or deceive the readers.
also, Mon-el is here. and based on the Action Annual he is the same Mon-el that superman put in the phantom zone.
Since the future after IC is the Multiverse, this statement remains true no matter what.
DCU = DC UniverseS
DCU= DC UniverseS? oh man. see this is what I don't like about alternate time lines and dimensions. there's always some complicated equations to deal with. Posted by Yellow Kid on :
Y'know...
My favorite quote by a comic book professional fits the situation pretty well.
" I don't care if they buy 'em for the staples as long as they buy 'em -Stan Lee-
Continuity is nice but if it interferes with making an few extra bucks for the company then scrap it and put out what the customer wants to see on the shelves. I see no problem with a story about an elder Superman, a twenty something Kal El and a Superboy fighting a renegade Adult Legion led by Myxyzpltk and Luthor. (hhmmmm...)
In my opinion Hypertime offers tons more options than Ultimates.
Think about it though. If peeps want to buy Superbaby stories then by the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster(!) make Superbaby stories! (My six year old has all the Krypto issues so far) If Japanese readers want anime Supermonkey then knock out some black and whites and sell a few. If customers want two books and an online strip with a couple of flash games then get crackin'!! (for a low low fee, of course)
Really though, I figure in a day when the print medium is struggling for survival, anything the creators can think of to bring in an audience is worth a try.
So...
Shake that money maker!
[ February 11, 2007, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Yellow Kid ]
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by wamu2: there's one problem with that scenario, Waid has always said that this Legion is the future after IC. editors and the powers that be can always change their minds and/or deceive the readers.
Wamu2, here's a *real* answer for you. Again, from Busiek, only a few days ago at the DCMB.
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> + Kandor is supposed to be populated with multiple > xtraterrestrial races (possibly all non-kryptonian) > yet in Legion of Superheroes Kandor is enlarged with > Kryptonians living there. Also Legion members > believed that Superman,etc were Comic characters > (multiple earth again? with LSH probably taking place > in Earth Prime? )
No, Legion is happening in the future of the DCU. But in a thousand years, a lot can happen.
So, all the speculation about the Waid LSH being from another Earth (e.g., Earth Prime) is headed in the wrong direction, and no one's deceived you. Not yet, anyway. Posted by Tromium on :
Action #850, presumably set after OYL, is also strong evidence that the Legion is not drastically morphed as a result of any chronal event that may yet happen in "52". So, that line of speculation seems to be a dead end as well.
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
The cover is a cool design, but none of the Legionnaires look very attractive. Especially Shady!
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
A pretty good read. Features the three boot Legion.
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
It's interesting to see another artist and coloring style on WaK's Legionnaires.
Posted by Timberwolf on :
Cool cover and I can't wait to see the Legion in this, it is one of the books I can't wait for in May.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
i just read it and it brings back a classic Supergirl (the original) villian from her days in Chicago anyone else remember Click Here For A SpoilerBlackstarr?
Posted by wamu2 on :
I was disappointed. this read like a clip show. I was expecting some resolution to Supergirl's status. and I am getting a bit tired of this whole let's just mix and match every history these characters have ever had. ugh.
Posted by wndola1 on :
Needed more flirting... A whole issue of brainy Kara dialoge and there was none of the barbed insults they've been hurtling at each other in Waid's book
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Element Lad is the last of his race in this incarnation?
It was good to have a relevant reference to an adventure (Resource Raiders) rather than the fake ones (Fusionstrike & Zero-Some encounter).
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
I enjoyed the way the Legionnaires interacted in the first few pages (and in some narration boxes throughout the story).
I wonder which of the writers actually scripted these pages?
I liked the Resource Raiders reference, too, NC. Now, will they turn up in the 'home' title?
And I also caught the sentence about E-Lad that's either a revelation or a big mistake.
A clip show is exactly what this issue was, but at least it was one with a purpose-- giving Supergirl the info she's needed for a *long* time about her cousin.
I dropped Kara's title a while ago-- looks like with Bedard writing it, I may be picking it back up again.
Posted by wamu2 on :
I will give one big kudo to this issue. Renato Guedes pencils and colors are awesome.
Posted by Tromium on :
The healthier-looking and more realistic Supergirl is a joy to behold.
I like the idea of the Legion as a framing device for a recap of New Earth Superman's backstory and a quickie tour of the Multiverse. I suspect Brainy's Chrononexus will come into play again in 'Brave and the Bold'.
It was a filler issue but a nice one.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
hmmm and what's with kara being snappy to kal in the 31st century version of herself...she seemed to be more together and deeper than she was in the 21st century or am i wrong in thinking that?
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
I enjoyed this story. I probably wouldn't have if it were something other than a clip-show version of Superman. As it was, they hit all the right spots.
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
Do we have refrence for the Element Lad not last of his race foobar? I seem to recall something early on, in the Triplicate Girl date issue.
Of course, on the plus side, at least we know Moopsball exists in the threeboot reality.
Posted by Kryptaku on :
Am I the only one that didn't enjoy this issue at all? I thought it was plain awful ... and man, not that I can do better, but the art was *terrible*.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Me, I was TOTALLY into the art!
And after reading JSA CLASSIFIEDS 25, I can't WAIT for the new artist to come onboard!
Posted by rtvu2 on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Me, I was TOTALLY into the art!
Agreed! The artist rocked.
Posted by Pov on :
Renato draws Supergirl as a *real* young woman, not the fanboys' wet dream/heroin addict Mike Turner or Ian Churchill churn out.
Guess who's the artist for Tony Bedard's arc on Supergirl come this August?! Oh, Yeah! Posted by Faraway Lad on :
I agree with Pov but still have to say that, on this single issue, i am not loving this art. It might grow on me but i did find a lot of it ugly
Posted by SiliconDream on :
quote:Originally posted by wamu2: there's one problem with that scenario, Waid has always said that this Legion is the future after IC. editors and the powers that be can always change their minds and/or deceive the readers.
also, Mon-el is here. and based on the Action Annual he is the same Mon-el that superman put in the phantom zone.
So at the moment it looks like the WaK Legion is in the true future of the DCU, and the Legion Superman used to visit as a boy is in an alternate future.
Pocket Universe Legion, perhaps?
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
I really liked the art. I thought he did a good job on facial expressions and dynamic characters.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
The story was sort of a clipshow but it wasn't all that different than the Action Comics annual that came out previewing stuff that may come out in Action Comics if Johns and his Artist ever get to work again. I'd guess the future glimpses are probably from Busiek's run on Superman. What did we really expect from a fill-in for the meltdown that is Action Comics. I swear Joe at age 80+ can probably crank out more pages than both his boys combined.
I kinda liked the art. The silver and golden age homage pages were nicely done. My only complaint is that some of his faces are kinda homely especially when they're portraying certain emotions. I guess its a conscious choice by the artist. I do like that Kara is portrayed in some panels as a gawky, awkward teenager as she should be.
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