Not a whole lot to go on here, but I felt there should be a thread about it.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Thanks for starting the thread, Jay Kay. Good to see ya being so active right off the bat!
Cos being the more stern leader seems (to me) a lot like his Preboot self, but his Postboot self (at least at the beginning) was more firm yet encouraging. Course, as time went on Postboot Cos also became more strict...
Element Lad taking Chemical Kid under his wing, and defeinding him to Cos yet giving Chem the "just shut up and agree" look right after seems "right" to me too.
As for Chemical Kid... ugh. Given how arrogant he was back in the Academy, his current characterization doesn't make me like him at all. He acts like a new kid with his head lost in the clouds, talks back, and just generally seems like an entitled young rich kid. Boo.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
Yeah, I was wondering about that--the Legion Academy stuff was one of the modern books I didn't pick up, but I would have thought if this guy graduated from it to the big league, he would be a lot less green than this.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
That's a big reason why a lot of fans are all up in arms over the newbies' inclusion (Chem, Glorith, Dragonwing, CQ and especially Harmonia) over arguably better students like Nightwind, Lamprey, Power Boy...
I bet they all slept with Rokk to get in! Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: I bet they all slept with Rokk to get in!
That would be a better story than what we got!
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Maybe that's why Gravity Kid REALLY quit! Power Boy told him about Rokk's demands for sex - and he was so disgusted he didn't want anything to do with the Legion!
Posted by jimgallagher on :
So a Brainy spotlight followed by a Cosmic Boy spotlight. I'm so glad we're getting to see more of these 2 under-utilized Legionnaires. I sure hope we get to see more of Garth and Imra soon! I think I've forgotten what they look like.
Posted by Dave Hackett on :
I wouldn't say it's a Cos spotlight, there were plenty of scenes to go around. When's the last time we saw Tinya and Dirk work together (I always loved the scenes that would end with her throwing a drink at him)?
Not sure I like the new Persuader hooded look or the fact that the U.P. executed Tharok. Seems that there's a lot of backstory out the window with the Fatal Five after all. So now do we not only have Ferro's death with a question mark, but the circumstances of Blok joining as well, if all the Dark Man stuff didn't happen.
Other than that, I liked the issue. A good set of moving parts and a good selection of Legionnaires, even if a lot of them are carried over from the last arc.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
I thought it was a decent issue connecting the dots between the last storyline and the next. The only bummer was the announcement for Legion Leader election excludes the Legion Lost members. With that title being cancelled I would think they'd be eligible now. Also surprised you have to mail in votes. That's so Stone Age. You'd think there be a place to text votes or hit like on a Facebook page or something!
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Maybe that's why Gravity Kid REALLY quit! Power Boy told him about Rokk's demands for sex - and he was so disgusted he didn't want anything to do with the Legion!
We need storylines like this in our lives. The legion has been sorely lacking in real soap opera melodrama lately. And I agree about Chemical Kid. I just keep imagining him as Condo and he just keeps falling short. He's not good enough at his powers to have as much attitude as he does.
*squee* Brainy spotlight. *squee*
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I wasn't impressed by the preview pages of this issue at all, but I really enjoyed the full story! For once, it actually felt a bit like a "classic Levitz" issue, with a bunch of different subplots being touched on, and quite a few characters getting at least a moment in the spotlight. Lots of interesting little character bits, too. Especially enjoyed the scene with Nura and Lu.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Leather Wolf: Also surprised you have to mail in votes. That's so Stone Age. You'd think there be a place to text votes or hit like on a Facebook page or something!
I wonder if there were problems with the online voting system last time.
It would've been nice if they provided a list of eligible members, though. I'm assuming my top choice, Luornu, is disqualified, despite being prominently featured in the last few issues.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Leather Wolf: Also surprised you have to mail in votes. That's so Stone Age. You'd think there be a place to text votes or hit like on a Facebook page or something!
In the online election, there were a ton of votes for Earth-Man, who is, from a narrative standpoint, pretty much the last person any of the Legionnaires would have voted for (save perhaps Shady, or the always unpredictable Quislet).
Perhaps Paul doesn't want to get written into a corner by this sort of thing (since it's easier for people who aren't fans of the Legion, or just want to 'stir stuff up' to click a button on an online poll, than it is for them to buy a stamp and mail in a vote).
As usual, I'll be voting for Ayla, Reep or Tinya. Someone who 'makes sense' to be considered for a leadership position, based on their activity and role and relationships within the team, and yet someone (unlike Rokk or Querl or Nura) who isn't already 'on-screen' 24/7 anyway.
Posted by Jerry on :
Another dynamic Lightle cover. No complaints from me regarding the Kolins's interiors. I just miss Portela.
It's nice that Levitz is using small teams and mixing up their interactions a bit. I enjoyed seeing Rokk, Jan, and Hadru together. All seemed to be in character. Loved seeing catty Nura in her scene with Lu.
I agree, it would have been nice if a list of active members had been provided in conjunction with the election announcement.
Posted by jdpinball on :
I noticed that when Mon-el was discussing the situation with Wild Goose Chasing Team #2 he states: "If an attempt is being made to RECREATE the Fatal Five..." Recreate? Ok so I'm foggy on some more recent Legion history. (and this is beside the obvious it's a nu universe Legion) The EE is dead, and I guess Tharok was executed. Mano? So does this mean that the Legion has previously met the 5 and some major Legion history is intact or am I just being hopeful?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Per Levitz: "We've been starting to build this whole set of threads around the idea that the Fatal Five is being reformed. In the New DC logic, the Legion hasn't met the Fatal Five -- there apparently was one in the cosmos, and it's coming back together or it's in danger of coming back together"
Posted by Jay Kay on :
Well, it doesn't really sound right with how it's actually written, and it doesn't come out and say it, so until they literally say it out-loud that the Legion never met them, I'm just going to pretend that it was never said.
Or, as Adam Savage said best, "I deny your reality, and substitute my own."
Anyway--is it just me, or was Dream Girl implying that Duplicate Damsel has a thing for Brainy? O_O
Posted by Jerry on :
That's the way I read it.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... if so, it could be an interesting way of dealing with the lack of or at least more limited role for the super-cousins in Legion history. Instead of the awkward Brainy-Kara relationship and Lu's crush on Kal-El, we get an awkward Brainy-Lu relationship or something?
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Hmm... if so, it could be an interesting way of dealing with the lack of or at least more limited role for the super-cousins in Legion history. Instead of the awkward Brainy-Kara relationship and Lu's crush on Kal-El, we get an awkward Brainy-Lu relationship or something?
Well, I guess you could have it that this Supergirl did become part of the Legion, but at a later time, when the Flashpoint Event isn't so wonky. The only problem is that at some point later on someone would have to have Kara meet the Legion for the first time and that kind of dangling plot thread can be risky.
That said, it would probably be nice for Brainy to have a girlfriend that isn't WAY long-distance. I just worry about Bouncing Boy. When you think about it, he's really one of us in the most idealized situation--awkward, nerdy, kind-of a screw-up, who was given the ultimate opportunity to become something more, and not only did he excel, he ended up with a beautiful, passionate, and strong woman who can duplicate as much of herself as she wants. I don't know about you guys, but I call that "living the dream."
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I say keep Lu as having had eyes only for Superboy and then for Chuck. Hey, Chuck was savvy enough to win Lu over, let's not tarnish that
I wouldn't mind reintroducing Laurel Gand/Andromeda as a "replacement" Supergirl. No reason why we can't have room for both Kara and Laurel. Clark and Mon coexisted for the longest time anyway... and both Laurel and Kara are great characters.
Posted by Set on :
I hugely preferred Portela's art. Or Cinar's. (Or, obviously, Jiminez's!)
Scott Kolins art didn't seem quite ready for prime time...
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: I say keep Lu as having had eyes only for Superboy and then for Chuck. Hey, Chuck was savvy enough to win Lu over, let's not tarnish that
I wouldn't mind reintroducing Laurel Gand/Andromeda as a "replacement" Supergirl. No reason why we can't have room for both Kara and Laurel. Clark and Mon coexisted for the longest time anyway... and both Laurel and Kara are great characters.
I'm drawing a blank here--did they ever write out Laurel Gand? I mean, you would have had the Glorith retcon that took out Superboy, then the reboot, and then the Retroboot. Am I just forgetting something?
Posted by Set on :
I don't think Laurel Gand ever existed in the 'classic' continuity, did she? We always had a Supergirl, in this one, even if she died and was replaced about three times since Crisis...
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by jdpinball: So does this mean that the Legion has previously met the 5 and some major Legion history is intact or am I just being hopeful?
T share your hope but Levitz has categorically stated that the Legion has not met the Five.
On a different note, did anyone else think that Nura's dialogue looked like part of a Levirz push to get Dream Girl elected?
Posted by the Hermit on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay: Well, it doesn't really sound right with how it's actually written, and it doesn't come out and say it, so until they literally say it out-loud that the Legion never met them, I'm just going to pretend that it was never said.
Or, as Adam Savage said best, "I deny your reality, and substitute my own."
Probably the best thing to do is wait until DC reboots its line again in a couple of years. Posted by Power Boy on :
quote:T share your hope but Levitz has categorically stated that the Legion has not met the Five.
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Why? What is really the point ... I think a "oh shit THE Fatal Five is BACK!" is about as impressive as "An ALL NEW Fatal Five that we meet for the first time ... that has no historical gravitas and no meaning and will be irrelevant after their introduction story ... especially when DC Reboots in two years."
There are so many non DC, non Marvel GREAT books out right now with excellent stories. There is something toxic about these two big companies.
Posted by The Man From Cargg on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
Anyway--is it just me, or was Dream Girl implying that Duplicate Damsel has a thing for Brainy? O_O
I assumed that Nura was referring to Brainy being indirectly responsible for the death of Lu's first body by his invention, Computo. If that story line is still history that is.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: I say keep Lu as having had eyes only for Superboy and then for Chuck. Hey, Chuck was savvy enough to win Lu over, let's not tarnish that
I wouldn't mind reintroducing Laurel Gand/Andromeda as a "replacement" Supergirl. No reason why we can't have room for both Kara and Laurel. Clark and Mon coexisted for the longest time anyway... and both Laurel and Kara are great characters.
I'm drawing a blank here--did they ever write out Laurel Gand? I mean, you would have had the Glorith retcon that took out Superboy, then the reboot, and then the Retroboot. Am I just forgetting something?
quote:Originally posted by Set: I don't think Laurel Gand ever existed in the 'classic' continuity, did she? We always had a Supergirl, in this one, even if she died and was replaced about three times since Crisis...
What Set said; Laurel Gand's first appearance was in the "Glorithverse". She was a retroactive character intended to take the place of Supergirl.
I don't think there's been any evidence so far that either Supergirl or Laurel Gand has been a member of THIS current team.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by The Man From Cargg:
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
Anyway--is it just me, or was Dream Girl implying that Duplicate Damsel has a thing for Brainy? O_O
I assumed that Nura was referring to Brainy being indirectly responsible for the death of Lu's first body by his invention, Computo. If that story line is still history that is.
Well, it would probably explain why she's openly hostile towards Brainy, but that wouldn't explain why Nura would say that Lu's feelings towards Brainy are "conflicted."
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: What Set said; Laurel Gand's first appearance was in the "Glorithverse". She was a retroactive character intended to take the place of Supergirl.
I don't think there's been any evidence so far that either Supergirl or Laurel Gand has been a member of THIS current team.
Hmm. I think they should add her back then as her own, unique member--she was way cooler than anyone wearing nothing but a leather jacket and a sumo thong had any right to be. Posted by Jerry on :
Amen!
Posted by The Man From Cargg on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
quote:Originally posted by The Man From Cargg:
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
Anyway--is it just me, or was Dream Girl implying that Duplicate Damsel has a thing for Brainy? O_O
I assumed that Nura was referring to Brainy being indirectly responsible for the death of Lu's first body by his invention, Computo. If that story line is still history that is.
Well, it would probably explain why she's openly hostile towards Brainy, but that wouldn't explain why Nura would say that Lu's feelings towards Brainy are "conflicted."
I don't know... I still think having to rescue a teammate who was responsible for your own 'death' might still count as 'conflicted'.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
I agree with Cargg. As usual. I didn't like the bit about Dream Girl basically saying Lu never liked her.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
^^I thought that was a nice allusion to the the rest of the girl Legionnaires' hating Nura in her first story.
Choice quote from Lu: "I feel sorry for any Legionnaire who has to work with her."
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: ^^I thought that was a nice allusion to the the rest of the girl Legionnaires' hating Nura in her first story.
Choice quote from Lu: "I feel sorry for any Legionnaire who has to work with her."
Yeah--from what I've read, Dream Girl is sort-of the Emma Frost of the Legion.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well, Nura has always been a little proud about her looks, hasn't she? In the 80s she had a tendency to flirt with a lot of the male Legionnaires. Including Chuck, AFTER he got married.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Well, Nura has always been a little proud about her looks, hasn't she? In the 80s she had a tendency to flirt with a lot of the male Legionnaires. Including Chuck, AFTER he got married.
Proud about her looks, deviously intelligent, a diva attitude, a power that give her an idea of what will happen next, prone to wearing skimpy outfits, many of the women of their teams hate them...really, the only thing I can think of that Nura doesn't have are breast implants, and for all we know plastic surgery could be a LOT less noticeable in the 31st century.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Nura does it better than Emma.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Oh! Before I forget, did anyone else notice Scott Kolins draws Lu with the same hairstyle as her cartoon counterpart first season? Not the same color, mind you, but she has the same shape.
Posted by EmeraldEmpress on :
And so .....Portela is gone, DC let the bad, more than bad , Scott Kolins draw the series? Wrong move!
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
Loved Portela. Loved Scott Kolins on Flash. I'm hoping at worse, an even up exchange for me.
Posted by ultrajo on :
I'm sorry, did I miss something? I thought Kolins was only doing three issues (13, 14 and 16). Portela is listed for 15.
Posted by jdpinball on :
Not digging Kollins on art... I never read his Flash material but would page through it periodically; I seem to remember a different look than this current style. I believe that Portela is coming back, just getting a rest and a jump on the next arc.
Posted by ultrajo on :
That's what I thought.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
Honestly, I'm kinda hoping that Giffen will draw the arc he's doing with Levitz. I mean, yeah, he's basically only doing a Kirby pastiche at this point, but it's damn good Kirby pastiche. Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay: Honestly, I'm kinda hoping that Giffen will draw the arc he's doing with Levitz. I mean, yeah, he's basically only doing a Kirby pastiche at this point, but it's damn good Kirby pastiche.
If it's anything like the Annual he did awhile back with Vi and Ayla and the Emerald Empress, I could dig it. That was a neat style.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Set:
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay: Honestly, I'm kinda hoping that Giffen will draw the arc he's doing with Levitz. I mean, yeah, he's basically only doing a Kirby pastiche at this point, but it's damn good Kirby pastiche.
If it's anything like the Annual he did awhile back with Vi and Ayla and the Emerald Empress, I could dig it. That was a neat style.
Yeah, I forgot he did that--I was more thinking of what he was recently doing in OMAC: Posted by Power Boy on :
sweet!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
One thing I really liked about this issue was that you could feel how much Jan disliked pirates without his coming out and saying "Hey, my entire planet was murdered by pirates", which I thought was pretty sweet writing.
Posted by EmeraldEmperor on :
Great seeing Chuck and Luorna again this issue. Lu's reaction to Brainy was right on, and I loved her interaction with Dream Girl. I wonder which females on the team like Nura?
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by EmeraldEmperor: Great seeing Chuck and Luorna again this issue. Lu's reaction to Brainy was right on, and I loved her interaction with Dream Girl. I wonder which females on the team like Nura?
Many of the Legion ladies (Imra, Jeckie, Dawny, Nura, all 'alpha females' in their own way) don't really seem to have any friendships with each other, and the only two who do, Tinya and Shady, are treated to the strange double standard that female friends are somehow 'catty' or 'cliquish,' while male friends, like Thom and Dirk, or Brin and Blok, escape such negative stereotypes.
Posted by Harbinger on :
I have mixed feelings about this issue. I really liked all the charactisation - even Hadru - who having gotten used to be the big fish at the academy is showing how out of his depth he suddenly feels. This is something I've seen with students who have moved to London after being something special in their hometowns and they are shocked by how much they still have to learn. Good to see him start to bite back against Rokk too. Jan was spot on. Wonder if Rokk will take Hadru's admitting he wasn't fully trained up in basics with Lydda?
Not sure if I'm entirely happy with the Comet Queen subplot - surely Brainy could have drafted in Imra or Aven or one of the displaced Titanians? Well, fingers crossed this isn't a subplot that Paul will drag out ad infinitum.
Both Lu and Nura came across as bitches imo. Not that that is a bad thing, just a bit harsher than I expected. Funny how defensive Nura is of Brainy, understandable given that they are both seen as potentially weak Legionnaires as their abilities are cerebral.
Now can we have Ayla, Vi, Shady, Jacques and Tinya get a bit of panel time. I'm over Lu and Chuck already - they can get shipped back to the Academy and do their thing there and make space for the many characters who they are starving of panel space. Sorry, I'm not a huge fan of them despite their handling of the Dominators in 12.
The pirates were fun - about time we saw some Braalians trying to make something of themselves - given that Braal has been shown as a poor downtrodden planet in every 'boot it's a wonder that this hasn't come up before. Potentially their natural abilities could make them invaluable to the UP, so if they aren't being utilised it's no surprise that some of them turn to piracy. Wonder if the woman with the great hair is called Frake?
I really like the grouping of Cham, Jo and Glorith, hope we see a bit more of them together.
The art was far too Dikto-ish for my taste, blocky and awkward looking. It may grow on me but given how spoiled we have been in the last few years with phenomenal artists it's no wonder I'm not really appreciating it.
Posted by Candlelight on :
Not only is Hadru finding himself in a pond the size of Lake Superior now, but he's finding that knowing how to use a chemistry based power requires some knowledge about the science. And it's one heck of a complicated science!
I don't appreciate Scott Kolins as much as I should, I guess. I'd pay an extra dollar a book for Jimenez or Coipel or Kitson. sigh
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Posted by Korbal on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
quote:Originally posted by The Man From Cargg:
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
Anyway--is it just me, or was Dream Girl implying that Duplicate Damsel has a thing for Brainy? O_O
I assumed that Nura was referring to Brainy being indirectly responsible for the death of Lu's first body by his invention, Computo. If that story line is still history that is.
Well, it would probably explain why she's openly hostile towards Brainy, but that wouldn't explain why Nura would say that Lu's feelings towards Brainy are "conflicted."
Other than their pseudo-flirtation during "The Revolt of the Girl Legionnaires," Brainy and Lu have been shown to be quite close, such as when he consoled her when she "lost" her powers before her wedding, or the touching scene where he left her his force shield belt.
Don't see the point of Paul foisting Tharok into Brainy's spotlight story if he the UP supposedly "executed" the cyborg genius--he must have survived somehow, and is still the top prospect for the person controlling Comet Queen...
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: Now can we have Ayla, Vi, Shady, Jacques and Tinya get a bit of panel time. I'm over Lu and Chuck already - they can get shipped back to the Academy and do their thing there and make space for the many characters who they are starving of panel space.
Agreed. Ditto Lydda, Mysa, Blok, Tenzil, Quislet
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger:
The pirates were fun - about time we saw some Braalians trying to make something of themselves - given that Braal has been shown as a poor downtrodden planet in every 'boot it's a wonder that this hasn't come up before. Potentially their natural abilities could make them invaluable to the UP, so if they aren't being utilised it's no surprise that some of them turn to piracy.
We have seen Braalians a few times - in the Science Police and at Metropolis Spaceport as well as criminals, but by and large there should be more Braalians, Imkians, Talokians etc seen rather than just sentients from random planets
Posted by jimgallagher on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: ^^I thought that was a nice allusion to the the rest of the girl Legionnaires' hating Nura in her first story.
Choice quote from Lu: "I feel sorry for any Legionnaire who has to work with her."
But that was a LONG time ago and Lu was only reacting to Nura pretending to be a snob in order to further her plan to save them. Nura's certainly more than proved herself since then.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Read it yesterday, most definitely had the feel of classic Levitz to it. It seems like LSH is finally starting to get back on track but sales are in the fourth-dimensional crapper... Posted by Harbinger on :
Fingers, toes and eyes crossed (which does make typing rather difficult) that with Giffen coming back the storylines will attract more readers. If the book gets cancelled it would be an absolute heartbreaking travesty.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
I can't imagine DC would cancel this title with Levitz at the helm.
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