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Death penalty hell, just take'm out and do to them what they did to those folk. Better yet, do it like in the old days when they would have been hung from the gallows and let the entire town watch.
(and please, no comments about racism. I don't give a rat's ass about their skin color. They beat six people to death and then stabbed them. One woman wasn't even recognizable by her dental records.)
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But after what those animals did, death is too good for them.
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From: Aggieland | Registered: Jul 2003
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Sorry - but as disgusting as the things those people did are... I see only a very fine line between them and a couple of the comments in this thread.
Normally I'm against the death penalty but when I read that article I thought that maybe its not such a bad thing when its employed fairly and as humanely as possible?
But to read that some people here would actually *like* to see dead bodies hanging in the middle of their town (!), or that these people be tortured before death... well there goes any illusion of a civilised society.
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But they should be forced to look at the before and after photos of their work.
And they should be forced to hear about their victims, and witness some of the anguish those families are forced to go through.
Not that it would make a big impact on them, but maybe a little of it would soak in through all that rage and hatred.
If that's classified as "torture," then so be it.
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From: Aggieland | Registered: Jul 2003
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The thing is, the death penalty's too humane for sickos like this. They bashed six people to death with bats. And the worst they would face is death by lethal injection, probably.
I say fire up Old Sparky and forget to wet the sponge, ala "Green Mile"...
And Blackie... "Do unto others", my friend.
These animals weren't showing any pretense of civility in their actions. They deserve none in return.
From: Up a Gumtree | Registered: Jul 2003
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Serving some actual hard time, working in fields, contributing back to society, might not be so bad, either.
(And if William Wayne Justice doesn't like it, he can join 'em!!!!! William Wayne Justice was the one that ruled "black and white televisions were cruel and unusual punishment, therefore all the televisions in prison must be color" or something along those lines.)
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From: Aggieland | Registered: Jul 2003
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No, I'd say any claim to a "civilized" society was shot to hell when they beat to death, then stabbed to death six people over a friggin' xbox.
That is the line of demarcation for a civilized society.
And back in the old days, those bodies were hung in the town square to show others what happened when you did something like that. It wasn't for fun or amusement, and it wasn't torture for torture's sake. It was a warning.
And no matter what people think, the bad old days weren't as bad then as it is now. The ratio of crime to pop steadily increased over the last century.
Seems to me one of the reasons was that people started getting the idea that "Hey, i can murder someone and the worst i get is twelve years with good behavior."
Little to no consequences means people are even freer to commit henious acts and think they can get away with it.
I have no sympathy for them. My sympathy is reserved for the people they MURDERED!
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Dev Em - my initial post was not in reference to your comment.
Beagz - I wouldn't classify the punishment you described as torture, far from it. In fact its a form of punishment/rehabilitation I am in complete support of. Its still too early to say whether this method whereby the victims of crime confront their perpetrators is having much effect but so far the results seem to be positive for both sides. My house-mate went to a confrontation/reconciliation session with a serial house-burglar (not quite the same crime as the above case I grant you) which was attended not only by many of the other victims but by some of the perpetrators family as well. He said he found it to be a very interesting and cathartic experience and really felt the criminal had learned something from it. He was also struck by how bad things were for the criminal's otherwise perfectly normal/respectable family whom he considered to be the 'silent victims' in the whole affair.
Pov - Its not often that I hear the death penalty described as 'too humane'! Are you seriously suggesting someone bludgens these guys to death with baseball bats? Is that something *you* would be prepared to do? I would be 1000 times more scared of someone who could do that in a calm and clinical executorial manner than these guys who probably did it while in the heat of anger or while high on drink or drugs or something. Also, I find it a bit disturbing that you would twist Jesus' ultimate message of peace "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" into a mantra of revenge...! Finally, we're supposed to be better than animals. These guys may not be, but that doesn't mean we should sink to their level.
Rickshaw1 - I don't have access to the statistics on the crime to population ratio that you do but I cannot believe for a second that hanging dead bodies in the street for *everyone* to see could have any effect other than a *BAD* one! After all, public executions are still fairly common in some Middle-Eastern countries... and look how well they're doing! And I find it a bit scary that you consider death to be a punishment of 'little to no consequence'. Are you suggesting we return to the Dark Ages and start boiling alive our criminals or something?
Also, can everyone please quit suggesting that these people were just killed for their X-Box. That was just the journalist coming up with a catchy headline and by reading the article it is obvious that there was a lot more to it than that.
Now before anyone goes painting me as a bleeding-heart, liberal peace-nick - I'm not! My politics may lean a little left but on most issues I'm fairly middle-of-the-road. I'm just very wary of the burning-pitchfork, mob-revenge mentality that always seems to creep out when horrible events like this occur.
And yes I do have complete and total sympathy for the victims in this case, and their families, and hope that the criminals get prosecuted to the full extent of the law!
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Twelve years with time off for good behavior IS little to no consequence. They would still be alive. Their victims are DEAD!
And why do you keep *everyone*-ing. Yes, everyone. From little kids to adults. You kill someone for no good reason, you get punished like the no good you are. Simple.
No one held a gun to those animals heads and made them beat someone to death. And while you may be more scared of someone that could do it in a calm and clinical manner, i suggest you watch or read "the Virginian". Hard times make hard choices. And this is one of the hardest times i can think of when it comes to crime.
quote:Originally posted by rickshaw1: And why do you keep *everyone*-ing.
Confused. Are you referring to my use of the word 'everyone'? If so, why? I only used it twice in my post and in completely different circumstances. Or are you referring to the stars? Some people italicise or bold the words they want to emphasise, I put stars around them. Is that a problem?
Anyway, maybe I'm missing something but where are you getting this '12 years with time off for good behaviour' information. It can't be in reference to this case because they've only just been arrested and are therefore nowhere near sentencing. And I highly doubt that Florida just has a standard 12 year sentence for all crimes of this nature. No, the best these guys can hope for if found guilty is either life in prison (which, correct me if I'm wrong, is at least 20 years) or else the death penalty (assuming Florida has it). Those punishments are a far cry from "little to no consequence".
quote:Originally posted by rickshaw1: Yes, everyone. From little kids to adults. You kill someone for no good reason, you get punished like the no good you are.
Except that the people you're actually punishing with your plan are all the innocent adults and children who really don't want to see dead bodies hanging from the lampposts of their town. The criminals will in fact be too kinda *dead* to notice.
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1st- no lampost. Have a gallows just like they used to have. It served a purpose. The body hung for a time so that those in the community could see that a) someone had been punished for their grevious transgressions, and b) so that young to old, people SAW what happened to those that randomly killed people for exceedingly stupid reasons.
2nd- yes, young and old. But as to the young...why would you not want them to see the manner of justice? Because they are young? Well, when is the appropriate age to start seeing the way the world works. Here in America the legal age is Eighteen. Should they be protected from every little thing until they are eighteen? If so, how do you teach them the differences between right and wrong, because you can't talk about wrong, it might "scar" them. And if you do wait until eighteen, how are they going to know how to be an adult in this world? They are just magically invested with adult experience and knowledge?
No, sorry, the world doesn't work this way. Childhood is for learning. It is for gathering the experiences and knowledge that you will use AS an adult to be a responsible member of the community.
Teaching isn't punishing. But, punishing can be teaching.
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My three, almost four, year old does not need to see a person hanging in the street (gallows or lamppost)
She is not old enough to fully understand death, or the fact that someone can be killed for their crimes. She will soon enough, but not at this age.
The one funeral home she did go to led to a discusion that really went nowhere. She just did not comprehend this fact of life yet. And that is a good thing. She's innocent of death right now. That will be shattered soon enough in her life, when the time requires it.
It's not up to others to force me to "teach" my daughter things befoe she is ready to understand them.
It's bad enough that two of her best friends in the world have different forms of cancer. Both are younger than her, and both have been sick for more than a year. That took months of explanations to even to get her to start to actually comprehend what was going on.
Even then, she took the next logical step for a child and thought I had cancer (or was sick like her friends) because I too have to take medicine everyday (Diabetic).
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