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So, Geoff Johns has reportedly said at ComiCon that in Legion of Three Worlds, George Perez will draw "every Legionnaire ever."
Can he do it? How many characters is that, even? Well, let's run the tally and see how many characters we can come up with, even when we limit ourselves to three known universes (reboot, threeboot and rebooted-preboot):
1. Cosmic Boy - preboot,stick up his butt 2. Cosmic Boy - reboot, bigger stick up his butt 3. Cosmic Boy - threeboot, biggest stick up his butt 4. Saturn Girl - preboot, MILF hussey 5. Saturn Girl - reboot, manipulative hussey 6. Saturn Girl - threeboot, mute hussey 7. Lightning Lad - preboot 8. Live Wire - reboot, merged with Element Lad 9. Lightning Lad - threeboot, acts lately like he's the one with a Proty in his head 10. Phantom Girl - preboot 11. Phantom Girl - reboot mama (points if we see Phase. Double points if we see missing third self) 12. Phantom Girl - threeboot distracted girl 13. Triplicate Girl - DEAD, bodies on Shanghalla, someplace unknown (to me), and in the bellies of a million dirty rats. 14. Triad - reboot 15. Triplicate Girl - threeboot, one of many 16. Chameleon Boy - preboot, does Johns version count Legionnaires team? 17. Chameleon - reboot Pope Daggle 18. Chameleon - threeboot weirdo Legionnaire 19. Colossal Boy - preboot, married to Yera 20. Leviathan - DEAD 21. Colossal Boy - threeboot, used to be Micro Lad 22. Invisible Kid - preboot DEAD 23. Invisible Kid - reboot boy toy 24. Invisible Kid - threeboot bad boy 25. Kid Quantum - preboot, but, if TMK has been wiped, what of their shoehorns? 26. Kid Quantum - reboot, DEAD 27. Star Boy - preboot, schitzo JSA member 28. Star Boy - reboot, white 29. Star Boy - threeboot, black 30. Superboy - preboot, Superman when he was a boy 31. Superboy - reboot, Superman when he was a clone 32. Superboy - pocket universe 33. Supergirl - pre Crisis DEAD 34. Supergirl - threebood, only dead above the shoulders 35. Brainiac 5 - preboot 36. Brainiac 5.1 - reboot 37. Brainiac 5 - threeboot 38. Sun Boy - preboot skirt chaser 39. Sun Boy - threeboot, non member 40. Dirk Morgna - reboot, non member 41. Shrinking Violet - preboot militant lesbian 42. LeVIathan - reboot, mostly confused 43. Atom Girl - threeboot, militant of unknown orientaton 44. Bouncing Boy - preboot, often depowered 45. Chuck Taine - reboot, never powered 46. Mon-El - preboot, Superboy's big brother 47. M'Onel - reboot Valorous seeder of worlds 48. Mon-El - threeboot, easily manipulated 49. Ultra Boy - preboot tough guy 50. Ultra Boy - reboot jock/thug 51. Ultra Boy - threeboot delinquent 52. Matter-Eater Lad - preboot, semi-sane Senator 53. Tenzil Ken - reboot, semi-sane team chef 54. Tenzil Ken - threeboot, mostly sane UP official 55. Element Lad - preboot profem preferrer 56. Element Lad - reboot Progenitor DEAD 57. Element Lad - threeboot tactile transmuter 58. Kinetix - reboot, cool till the tail 59. XS - reboot speedster 60. Gates - reboot bug 'poter 61. Lightning Lass - preboot FOV (friend of Vi) 62. Spark - reboot friend of guys 63. Light Ladd- threeboot friend of just about anyone willin' 64. Dream Girl - preboot prognosticator 65. Dreamer - reboot nacoleptic ditz 66. Dream Girl - reboot DEAD, or maybe not 67. Timber Worl - preboot simpleton 68. Timber Wolf - reboot wolf boy 69. Timber Wolf - threeboot badass 70. Shadow Lass - preboot, Wife of Mon 71. Umbra - reboot, friend on none 72. Shadow Lass- threeboot, warrior chick 73. Chemical King - preboot DEAD 74. Karate Kid - preboot DEAD, then undead, now DEAD again. 75. Karate Kid - reboot zen master 76. Karate Kid - threeboot OK 77. Sensor Girl - preboot, how'd she come to be without a dead Val? 78. Sensor - reboot semi-snekkie 79. Princess Projecta- threeboot, spoiled thief 80. Nemesis Kid - preboot, traitor, can't be dead if preboot Val lives. 81. Wildfire - preboot, now son of Red Tornado? 82. Wildfire - reboot amalgamated energy being 83. Wildfire - threeboot early applicant 84. Dawnstar - preboot winged Amerinid 85. Shikari - reboot winged insectivoid 86. Blok - preboot undead rock guy 87. Quantum Queen - preboot adult Legionnaire 88. Power Boy - preboot Adult Legionnaire 89. Reflect - preboot Adult Legionnaire 90. False-Pretences Lad - preboot 91. Command Kid - preboot 92. Dynamo Boy - preboot 93. Gear- reboot android boy 94. Polar Boy - preboot substitute 95. Magnetic Kid - preboot DEAD brother 96. Ferro Lad - preboot DEAD hero 97. Ferro - reboot fashionista 98. Quislet - preboot boop-a-doop 99. Tellus - preboot DEAD? 100. Thunder - reboot Supergirl stand-in 101. Laurel Gand - TMK Supergirl stand in, part of John's boot? 102. Andromeda - reboot xenophbic Supergirl stand-in 103. Krypto - preboot pet 104. Streaky - preboot pet 105. Beppo - preboot pet 106. Comet - preboot pet 107. Proty II - preboot don't-call-him-a-pet 108. Night Girl - preboot 109. Chameleon Girl - preboot Yera 110. Stone Boy - preboot 111. Chlorophyll Kid - preboot 112. Fire-Lad - preboot 113. Color Kid - prebbot 114. Porcupine Pete - preboot 115. Infectuous Lass- preboot 116. Kono - preboot, TMK 117. Computo - preboot, TMB 118. Dragonmage - preboot, TMB 119. Felderweb - preboot Khund 120. Fire-Fist - preboot Khund 121. Veilmist - preboot Khund 122. Blood Claw - preboot Khund 123. Theena - threeboot tv girl 124. Elastic Lad - preboot Jimmy 125. Insect Queen - preboot Lana 126. Pete Ross - preboot Pete 127. Kid Psycho - preboot DEAD 128. Tyroc - preboot OOOUUUIIIEEEE!!!! 129. Invisible Kid II - preboot Jacques 130. M'Rissey - threeboot business manager 131. Dream Boy - threeboot walk-on 132. Kent Shakespeare - TMK not Superboy 133. Impulse - reboot sort-of member (per Brainy) 134. Karate Kid II - preboot hiding from Giffen 135. Nightwind - 5YG member, but did Johnsboot ever go there? 136. Crystal Kid - 5YG 137. Atmos - 5YG 138. Storm Boy - 5YG 139. Visi-Lad - 5YG 140. Calamity King - 5YG 141. Echo - 5YG 142. Celeste/Neon - TMK 143. Reflex - TMK 144. Spider-Girl - TMK 145. White Witch - preboot Naltorian 146. White Witch - reboot daughter of Mordru (nonmember) 147. Mago - reboot depowered Braalian 148. Monstress - reboot DEAD debutante 149. Kid Quantum II - reboot sister act 150. Catspaw - SW6, if it still counts 151. Shadow Kid - TMK cousin act 152. Fortress Lad - Perez wouoldn't dare 153. Unknown Boy - preboot mystery legionnaire 154. Size Lad - preboot infiltrator 155. Magnetic Kid - preboot infiltrator 156. Blackout Boy - preboot infiltrator 157. The Weirdo Legionnaire - another one Perez won't dare touch 158. Sir Prize - preboot mystery legionnaire 159. Miss Terius - preboot mystery legionnaire 160. Biron the Bowman - should get a cameo, at least 161. Blockade Boy II - idib 162. 50,000 unnamed teenagers - threeboot open door policy 163. Dev-Em - nonmember deserving of cameo 164. Dragonmage - reboot petulant nonmember
more to come . . .
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From: Sumner, ME | Registered: Jul 2003
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Hm. Can't wait to see what False Pretenses Lad looks like.
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I suspect that we're going to find that #46 and #48 are the same person, but that can wait upon the event.
Lots of missing names from the Five Year Gap and Five Years Later Legion, if we want them: Kent Shakespeare/Impulse, Karate Kid II/Myg, Nightwind, Crystal Kid, Atmos, Storm Boy, Visi-Lad, Calamity King, Echo, Celeste/Neon, Devlin/Reflex, Spider Girl/Wave.
From the reboot there's Magno, Monstress, Superboy II/Kon-El, Kid Quantum II.
Catspaw from the SW6 Legion.
The way I figure it, the Karate Kid and Luornu who died in Countdown were rescued from their original deaths in order to be sent back in time, so a) the consequences of their original deaths still exist in Johns's continuity, and b) that means that there's still a living Luornu in Johns's 31st century. I may be wrong, of course.
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Y'know, there's ONE version of Valor that died. Dead. Never made it to the 30th Century. Glorith manipulated a buncha junk and killed him when he wouldn't play the game by her rules. Only after his death did a time traveling version of Lar Gand "take his place in history". That is, suffer through the Phantom Zone a second time! Now it seems the history of his solo title has gone the way of the Byrneboot Superman. Of course it was a part of massive group of time parodoxes.. paradoxii?..(the theme of that year's crossovers) and was subsequently ignored as if it had never happened at all.
quote:101. Laurel Gand - TMK Supergirl stand in, part of John's boot?
Preboot... Not TMK? Also count Dragonmage, reboot (Legionnaires #43, etc.) since you're getting non-Legionnaire versions too. Count reboot Jacques and you'll also get (assumably) a reboot Danielle Foccart. Bet you a stack of mint quality Adventure Comics that Perez draws two-thirds of "every Legion character" crammed in a pagespread.
-------------------- "For some reason I can't explain or understand, and probably never will... EVERYTHING comes from SUPERMAN." - Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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One more thing... I'm not so sure if Perez would feature the non-canonical elements of Legion, like the honorary Legionnaires or the superpets (if alien beings are members, I guess animals are too...)
-------------------- "For some reason I can't explain or understand, and probably never will... EVERYTHING comes from SUPERMAN." - Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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quote:Originally posted by Yellow Kid: Y'know, there's ONE version of Valor that died. Dead. Never made it to the 30th Century. Glorith manipulated a buncha junk and killed him when he wouldn't play the game by her rules. Only after his death did a time traveling version of Lar Gand "take his place in history". That is, suffer through the Phantom Zone a second time! Now it seems the history of his solo title has gone the way of the Byrneboot Superman. Of course it was a part of massive group of time parodoxes.. paradoxii?..(the theme of that year's crossovers) and was subsequently ignored as if it had never happened at all.
But since the other version of Valor was the SW6 time-sliced clone of the first version, they're actually the same version, just looped in time.
And I think that the first part of his series, the world-seeding part, is potentially still in continuity. (Although I'm not sure how that would work, exactly.)
BTW, last week I didn't make it to my CBS on Wednesday because the sky opened up and we had some terrible thunder storms with hail, lightning etc. (Nasty day!) Anyway, I stopped by on Thursday instead, picked up my books and was at the counter, ready to check out when one of the employees says.
"I know you're a big fan of George Perez so you might want to go over there (points towards the back of the store by the longboxes and action figures) and introduce yourself."
As CJ would say "Whoa!" It was George Perez! I knew he lives in the area and is a regular at Acme Comics Superstore but I had never run into him.
Anyway, I head over to him and introduce myself. George immediately lights up when I mention being a Legion fan and being thrilled that he will get to finally do a Legion project. He tells me about the 4 large binders of reference notes he has put together of every version of every costume of every Legionnaire ever!!! (His way of phrasing it ) And how he's bound and determined to get every single one of them into Legion of Three Worlds if it kills him.
He also says he is having the most fun of his life doing this mini and that he can't wait to see the reaction to it from Legiondom. He thinks it will make everyone very happy!
George and I chatted for a few minutes more about comics in general and then I excuse myself so he could get back to what he was doing.
What an incredibly nice guy!
As you all can imagine, this made my day!
-------------------- "Hey Jim! Get Mon out of the Zone!! And...when do we get Condo back?"
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quote:Originally posted by Vee: Don't forget White Witch!
BTW, last week I didn't make it to my CBS on Wednesday because the sky opened up and we had some terrible thunder storms with hail, lightning etc. (Nasty day!) Anyway, I stopped by on Thursday instead, picked up my books and was at the counter, ready to check out when one of the employees says.
"I know you're a big fan of George Perez so you might want to go over there (points towards the back of the store by the longboxes and action figures) and introduce yourself."
As CJ would say "Whoa!" It was George Perez! I knew he lives in the area and is a regular at Acme Comics Superstore but I had never run into him.
Anyway, I head over to him and introduce myself. George immediately lights up when I mention being a Legion fan and being thrilled that he will get to finally do a Legion project. He tells me about the 4 large binders of reference notes he has put together of every version of every costume of every Legionnaire ever!!! (His way of phrasing it ) And how he's bound and determined to get every single one of them into Legion of Three Worlds if it kills him.
He also says he is having the most fun of his life doing this mini and that he can't wait to see the reaction to it from Legiondom. He thinks it will make everyone very happy!
George and I chatted for a few minutes more about comics in general and then I excuse myself so he could get back to what he was doing.
What an incredibly nice guy!
As you all can imagine, this made my day!
That is an awesome story.
That is the equivalent of walking into a music store and one of the Beatles just happens to be in there, or a Video store and you just happen to run into Jack Nicholson(with the exception that they aren't as good at their craft as George Perez is at his). That must be an awesome experience.
And all of your story seems to bear out everything I have ever read about George Perez, in that he said to be one of the nicest and most gracious guys to ever work in the industry and he is always extremely nice to the fans.
George Perez is a gift to the comics industry...the man truly loves drawing comics.
And he's also IMO, probably the greatest artist. He's definitely the most devoted to his craft.
I read an interview with him recently where he was discussing the differences between Manapul and Kitson's versions of the Legion...heck, there are some diehard Legion fans that aren't that familiar with them right now...what a pro.
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The only thing I am bummed out about with Perez is that he will never be the regular Legion artist and IMO, he was the guy tailor made to draw the Legion. He loves large casts, he is incredibly fast, he loves to draw extremely detailed backgrounds...and he's a huge fan of Curt Swan and you can often see influences of Swan in his artwork.
But at least we got him once...on what is arguably the most high profile Legion project ever.
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quote:Originally posted by Superboy: The only thing I am bummed out about with Perez is that he will never be the regular Legion artist and IMO, he was the guy tailor made to draw the Legion. He loves large casts, he is incredibly fast, he loves to draw extremely detailed backgrounds...and he's a huge fan of Curt Swan and you can often see influences of Swan in his artwork.
But at least we got him once...on what is arguably the most high profile Legion project ever.
You basically echo a comment he made during our conversation. His biggest regret is never having had the chance to be the ongoing Legion artist. He said he could never manage the schedule today and do it justice, that he's slowed down too much at his age...so he's putting everything he's got into this one project to make up for never having had the chance.
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