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From: Kentucky | Registered: Oct 2005
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I just posted on Lardy's Roundtable... heheh
Bad move for DC. Next time, they will bring Judd Winick and Conner Hawke to Legion, move them to the 21st Century and create characters like XS and the Snake Monstress!
I also posted my dissatisfaction at CBR if that is true.
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From: Brasil | Registered: May 2008
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I guess DC just cannot accept that LSH is never going to be a top book and that constantly screwing around with the title only alienates the most loyal fans in comics. We are never going to recover the glory days of Levitz/Giffen, so why keep trying? As a fan, I don't see why I should commit to yet another reboot when it is likely to last only a few years, at most?
As for Bedard, I thought his issues on the threeboot were the worst of the series -- and I was not a fan of Waid's inability to develop characters that were three-dimensional. I'm not looking forward to him getting the keys to the kingdom.
Registered: Oct 2003
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I sure hope DC doesn't screw this up again,or I might find myself not buying the Legion for the first time in thirty five years,enough is enough.
Restore the Pre-Crisis Legion continuity and characters,reintroduce the characters from 5YL and the Zero Hour reboot that don't have counterparts into that continuity as new characters keeping them as close to their original concepts as possible,and build upon that history,respect the characters and their fans,quit tearing it apart and rebooting it.
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From: Kentucky | Registered: Oct 2005
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quote:Originally posted by reckless: I guess DC just cannot accept that LSH is never going to be a top book
That so many leaders of the industry grew up loving this, what is now an obscure little title, might be telling. Perhaps to them it is about more than just the bottom line?
If I were in their position I could think of a few reasons I would keep trying to publish this title, even if it wasn't at the top of the profit margin.
1) The old, it appealed to me when I was younger so it's good enough for the kids of today. Okay, that would be an outlandish reason to continue to publish but stranger things...
2) We can tell an important story with this setting that we cannot with the others available. I kind of see this as a reason that would most motivate an opinionated, creative type.
If I believe a thought is sound and important but I'm not having success communicating it, I'm going to continue to try and find a way to get my point over. Legion has generally been wrapped around moralities. This is fairly unique I think. There are a few, like Spectre whose existence is morality based but for the most part, the comics characters' job is just to be "super." Huge boobs help.
I think perhaps they have accepted that it's not going to be a "big seller," but perhaps they hope that with the right telling it can still be viable enough to be responsible to the stock holders without selling out the premise.
From: East Toledo | Registered: Jul 2003
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Not really a regular reader of "Lying in the Gutters," here, so let me defer to those who are. How accurate have you all found these green lighted stories to be in the past?
The reason I ask is that all the references I've seen to the "Shooter's departure" story (going back to at least Mid-May) have only ever cited Rich Johnston, and no other source. Don't title shake-ups of this sort tend to be a little more widely reported?
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quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: Not really a regular reader of "Lying in the Gutters," here, so let me defer to those who are. How accurate have you all found these green lighted stories to be in the past?
The reason I ask is that all the references I've seen to the "Shooter's departure" story (going back to at least Mid-May) have only ever cited Rich Johnston, and no other source. Don't title shake-ups of this sort tend to be a little more widely reported?
I'm not sure. But he also stated that Brubaker would be leaving Uncanny X-Men shortly. Even though, Brubaker/Fraction (who have only written one issue as a team) have made it seem that they have long-term plans for the X-Men. So I can't be sure.
I don't frequently read his column, or post on his board. So I can't be sure.
From: Dallas, Texas | Registered: Aug 2007
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Geoff Johns was so quiet about everything involving Legion at the SDCC so I figured Legion would go to # 50 and then get re-started.
From: South Florida | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: Not really a regular reader of "Lying in the Gutters," here, so let me defer to those who are. How accurate have you all found these green lighted stories to be in the past?
The reason I ask is that all the references I've seen to the "Shooter's departure" story (going back to at least Mid-May) have only ever cited Rich Johnston, and no other source. Don't title shake-ups of this sort tend to be a little more widely reported?
So far, Rich has only claimed "yellow" light for notes of Shooter's departure. This time, he went green, which is very frequently on the mark. And he is probably right, because:
1) DC is working the Action Legion like crazy right now. Not only it is the star of both Superman and Final Crisis, but there are 2 HC collections of Baxter material coming up soon, even though there wouldn't be any reason to do so EXCEPT because events prior to Superman and The Legion of Super-Heroes are set just before the Crisis.
2) Giffen and Levitz have hinted in SDCC that they would be working on something. Giffen was particularly vocal to whenever Paul wanted to do it, he would do it.
3) Tony Bedard has said (on the link provided above) he is working on a team book and kind of said that "while Shooter was on the book, he wouldn't take it". If he is gone... And apparently some people may have been happy with his very weak fill-in arch.
From: Brasil | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Sir Tim Drake: Is this the same Levitz/Giffen Legion project that Giffen publicly denied the existence of?
He denied there was one set firmly at that moment, but he also said Paul was less resistant this time. So, there might be something cooking in there.
From: Brasil | Registered: May 2008
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Is this the same Rich Johnston that 3 weeks ago was saying Shooter was done, and then 2 weeks ago was saying he'd patched things up?
In any case...issue 50 equals 13 issues by Shooter and he promised a 16 issue arc...sounds about right.
The truth of the matter is, Shooter's run hasn't sold well(but then neither did Bedard's or W&K's on it's own merits)...but the Legion is getting down to the numbers and ranks to where they relaunch it(unless it's the Reboot Legion, and then they give it 2 books and publish it for 8 years). So I don't see a big deal about DC or Shooter both not wanting to continue it...
And besides...as evidenced on this forum, a lot of people don't really like Shooter.
What I am interested in seeing...is if Shooter gets any work after this at DC or elsewhere.
Where it becomes curious is with the Bedard news...I liked Tony's run...but this announcement does not live up to the buildup LO3W is setting Legion Fans up for.
It is very underwhelming, and I expect this will likely be immediately reflected in the sales numbers of what ever relaunch they do, it'll be right there @30k and slipping...unless of course it is the Action...
But I'm thinking maybe something happened and DC is not going to be able to go ahead with their Action plans...maybe the Superboy litigation has taken a step back.
Except then doesn't make sense, because then why relaunch the current title?
Wouldn't it then make sense to use L3W to boost the profile of the current tile...and keep it going? Instead of another relaunch?
Or maybe this is all a red herring...
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I don't think it is red herring, Superboy, and you can feel it too. However, something came up now: Rich says a Tony Bedard PROJECT will come up after Shooter, but not a new monthly or Tony-as-a-new-writer sort of thing. Thus, might it be a Legion Worlds-style maxi-series in order to wrap things up with L3W? I really don't see viability in a monthly Tony Bedard Legion #1 at all. And I still think they are trying to find a spot in Johns schedule for him to grab the LSH.
From: Brasil | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Ricardo: I don't think it is red herring, Superboy, and you can feel it too. However, something came up now: Rich says a Tony Bedard PROJECT will come up after Shooter, but not a new monthly or Tony-as-a-new-writer sort of thing. Thus, might it be a Legion Worlds-style maxi-series in order to wrap things up with L3W? I really don't see viability in a monthly Tony Bedard Legion #1 at all. And I still think they are trying to find a spot in Johns schedule for him to grab the LSH.
I agree with all of that...but I am not ready to rule out Red Herring either because Didio did have fake covers printed up for Flash and posted to the internet to cover up his Flash plans.
Could be Tony closing up shop on the W&K...
The Legion it seems remains cursed.
You do make a valid point about Johns schedule though...I definitely think he wants to write the Legion though...I think he wants the challenge of seeing if he can make all Legion fans happy. That is probably the greatest challenge in all of comics.
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