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I'm not really sure how I feel about it in general.
I really liked L.E.G.I.O.N., but that was a HECK of a lot of LEGION stuff to bring into present-day DC.
Latest thing that I'm aware of is the Persuader's name and atomic axe (see the TERROR TITANS arc of Teen Titans and the TEROR TITANS mini).
I mean why bring the Dominion into current-day DC (INVASION from the 80s) when you already have races like the Psions and the Spider Guild?
I guess it all depends on how well it's pulled off. Still, I can find it somewhat annoying to retroactively intro LSH stuff into present-day DC while present-day DC is hands off for the LSH. Or should that be considered a blessing? One fun thing about the tooniverse comic is that it has touched on a LOT of present-day DCU stuff.
But then, of course, this all opens the door for future LSH-hating creators to Byrne and Carlinize our faves of the future.
What do you guys think?
And what LSH stuff brought into present-day DCU did you like a lot?
(I think I enjoyed the "Mr. & Mrs. Emerald Bek" storyline from dot-LEGION the most)
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I didn't like it when they made Mordru a JSA villain.
What I think would be good to tie the Legion into present day DCU is having the present day DCU using the planets of the Legion. i.e. Winath, Bismol, Imsk, Daxam.
But the heroes & villains should be kept in their appropriate times.
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Invasion added a lot to the legacy of Legion, particularly gag, Valor and it was an entertaining cross over, so I forgive them.
Legion is the future. There's really no reason to bring them back into the mainstream DCU. I mean, aliens and bad gods and all, but people from the future would really freak me out. Too messy with all the things they would change no matter how careful they attempted to be. And what if they didn't like my fashion sense? Would there be future books written about BB's bad jammies?
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Aren't there present day books written about your bad jammies?
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I've always wanted to see more 'legacy stuff' from the DCU in the Legion world (if not necessarily in the Legion itself...). In the Great Darkness Saga, when they made a reference to Dr. Fate's helmet, or a descendent of Bruce Wayne, or 30th century Atlantis, I was kind of stoked, since it helped make the Legion world feel a little more connected, and not just an 'Elseworlds' that could be ignored. (Obviously, I was wrong, as the strongest connection to the 20th century DCU of all, the membership of Superboy, was retconned away not long after.)
I don't necessarily want to see an Amazonian Legionnaire, or an Atlantean one, or a Thanagarian one, or various aliens from the Vega system running around (wouldn't it be kind of cool to see the Psions, or, heck, even the Spider Guild, as a respected UP member race, with them looking kind of embarassed by any mention of how they used to be considered 'bad-guys'?), I would like to see a Tamaranian flying by in the background or some reference to M'Kole, the oldest colony from Gorilla City.
I kind of *don't* want to see too much of that happening in reverse, 'though. Some planets, such as Daxam, are already established as having been advanced to spacefaring levels in the 20th, but others, such as Winath, Braal and Titan, could very well be colonies established somewhere between 2100 and 2900 by Earth. I prefer that left fuzzy. Winath *might* be a world as old as earth, with a bunch of earth-humans on it for some reason, or it *might* be a 300 year old agricultural colony. Not having Winath appear in the 20th century widens it's potential story use later, IMO. Having it appear as part of some meaningless cameo closes the door for a potentially better storyline later.
If something from the 30th *is* going to show up in the 20th, such as the Emerald Head of Ekron or the 'new' Persuader with her Atomic Axe, I really, really would prefer if there was some significant reason for them to show up, and not just as some sort of easter egg for the fans.
That being said, Booster Gold is one of my favorite DCU heroes, and he's all about Legion-derived stuff appearing in the 20th century!
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I agree 100% Lash. I think it was EDE who pointed out once why the DC alien landscape hadn't changed much in 1000 years.
As a kid I wasn't a big DC fan but I was a huge Legion fan.
I also echo your thoughts of maybe it will sell more Legion comics. I doubt it though.
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Yeah, next time I turn on the news and see that the Mongol Empire and the Byzantine Empire are at war again, I'll start worrying about why the same alien races aren't important in the 21st century as are important in the 31st century.
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But some Empires do last. The British Empire isn't what it once was, but the core of the Empire is basically the same as it was in 1066, the time of William the Conqueror.
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quote: But some Empires do last. The British Empire isn't what it once was, but the core of the Empire is basically the same as it was in 1066, the time of William the Conqueror.
William was first and foremost Duke of Normandy and most of Great Britain was subserviant to the Duchy of Normandy for centuries after 1066.
The British Empire didn't really start until the 1700s and lasted for about 250 years - although Britain did have some colonies in the New World (North America and the Caribbean) for a few years before. There has been no British Empire since 1946.
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The point is that even if some civilizations do last (China is probably a better example of a civilization that has been a major world power for several millenia), nonetheless there's no reason to expect that just because an alien race is important today, it will be important in the future, or vice versa.
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quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.: I didn't like it when they made Mordru a JSA villain.
What I think would be good to tie the Legion into present day DCU is having the present day DCU using the planets of the Legion. i.e. Winath, Bismol, Imsk, Daxam.
But the heroes & villains should be kept in their appropriate times.
That's generally how I see it. The worlds are part of the DC Universe... the characters are part of the Legion series.
quote:Originally posted by Set: I've always wanted to see more 'legacy stuff' from the DCU in the Legion world (if not necessarily in the Legion itself...). In the Great Darkness Saga, when they made a reference to Dr. Fate's helmet, or a descendent of Bruce Wayne, or 30th century Atlantis, I was kind of stoked, since it helped make the Legion world feel a little more connected, and not just an 'Elseworlds' that could be ignored. (Obviously, I was wrong, as the strongest connection to the 20th century DCU of all, the membership of Superboy, was retconned away not long after.)
I don't necessarily want to see an Amazonian Legionnaire, or an Atlantean one, or a Thanagarian one, or various aliens from the Vega system running around (wouldn't it be kind of cool to see the Psions, or, heck, even the Spider Guild, as a respected UP member race, with them looking kind of embarassed by any mention of how they used to be considered 'bad-guys'?), I would like to see a Tamaranian flying by in the background or some reference to M'Kole, the oldest colony from Gorilla City.
One reason I want to restrict the "legacy stuff" is because most of it will be on Earth or related to Earth characters, and I favor emphasizing the Legion as the heroes of the UP, not Earth. Again, having familiar worlds and species from the present day is fine. One thing I absolutely don't want is any identified descendants of present-day characters. In 1000 years, almost everyone will be descended from Bruce Wayne. Inheritance is meaningless over that timescale. It's time for DC writers to realize how long 1000 years is. It's not just a number to toss around.
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quote: One reason I want to restrict the "legacy stuff" is because most of it will be on Earth or related to Earth characters, and I favor emphasizing the Legion as the heroes of the UP, not Earth. Again, having familiar worlds and species from the present day is fine. One thing I absolutely don't want is any identified descendants of present-day characters. In 1000 years, almost everyone will be descended from Bruce Wayne. Inheritance is meaningless over that timescale. It's time for DC writers to realize how long 1000 years is. It's not just a number to toss around.
Agreed. How often do we see a decendant of say a JLA member and they have all the same characteristics - Ollie 3 Queen!!! Laurel Kent a ringer for Lois Lane!!
Also is it sensible to expect that a thousand years on the Thanagarians would be still using those cumbersome wings.
Having Daxam shown in the C21 or Rann in the C31 is fine but let's see it done sensibly.
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I also would like to restrict legacy stuff. In fact, the main involvement of the with the current DCU and the Legion should be done through Superman & the Superman-mythos IMO.
Some tangental connections, possibly through Green Lantern or Rip Hunter/Booster Gold, etc., would be fine, but not *too* much.
If anything, I'd rather see some offbeat connections to the DCU's past (from the 31st Century perspective) that doesn't tie the Legion too closely to anything other than parts of the DCU firmly planted within the Legion mythos. For example, Tommy Tomorrow, Space Ranger, even the Metal Men or something similar.
I agree that it isn't too important to bring the Legion's mythos to the 21st Century. We've got the Khunds and the Dominators there now--that's more than enough. I loathe the use of the Persuader-personna and Mordru in the 21st Century, though Mordru in Amethyst was a cool origin for the character.
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