Topic: A possible way for the previous Legion to come back...
numberonelegionfan
Defender Of The Legacy Of Rassilon (Gallifrey:Planet Of The Time Lords)
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At the end of TT/LSH special we saw the Legion floating away, right?
They could have survived if Jarth creates a vehicle of some kind be it a Time Bubble or a generic space craft.
Or failing that, he could simply make a protective bubble around them.
How they would get to the new Legion's timeline? Haven't quite figured that out yet.
Hmmmm...now that I think about it, that would be Shikari's part to locate them. Supposing she did land in the new Legion's timeline, maybe she did strike a deal with Brainiac 5 to get back to her friends. Brainy loans her the services of a young Amerind female with wings named Dawnstar to assist in her efforts, after all, 1 tracker and 1 pathfinder working together should be able to find her lost friends.
Any thoughts?
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numberonelegionfan
Defender Of The Legacy Of Rassilon (Gallifrey:Planet Of The Time Lords)
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Think fast...it's bumpin' time!
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That would be pretty much the best way to bring both the characters back, as a sub-team of one kind or another. Actually it sounds like a natural pairing-up.
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Sorry but there is a reason that this lasted 1 1/2 months with out a response and/or bump.
Deal with it, no way for the Old... if you can call the DNA Legion old... to come back.
Kinda like:
bring back the Silver Age Legion... bring back the Cockrum Age Legion... bring back the Giffen Age Legion... bring back the Baxter Age Legion... bring back the 5 Y Gap Age Legion...
You can dream.. but the Waid Kitson Legion is hear, and hear to stay for now, so enjoy!
I sure know that I do.
Peace!
[ October 14, 2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Ultra Boy ]
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From: New York | Registered: Jul 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Ultra Boy: Deal with it, no way for the Old... if you can call the DNA Legion old... to come back.
There was no way for Earth-2 Superman, Earth-Prime Superboy and Alex Luthor to come back, either. But they did. The Multiverse is big enough for all the Legions that ever existed, and then some.
They'd never replace the new crop (no one is arguing that), but the mystery of their disappearance and Shikari's whereabouts MUST be addressed before the end of WaK's run, or it'll qualify as the biggest dangling plotline in Legion history.
Closure is needed. As an experienced writer, Waid knows that, but personally I don't see it happening before the end of their run.
From: Reimagined Trom | Registered: Jul 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Ultra Boy: Deal with it, no way for the Old... if you can call the DNA Legion old... to come back.
The Multiverse is big enough for all the Legions that ever existed, and then some.
Agreed... I'd love to see various creators be able to dabble with whichever era they wanted, but unless you're a Loeb, Morrison or Lee level creator, I'm not holding my breath.
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I don't want any incarnation to come nack now, I'm digging this one! Viva la WaK!
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quote:Originally posted by Tromium: [QB] They'd never replace the new crop (no one is arguing that), but the mystery of their disappearance and Shikari's whereabouts MUST be addressed before the end of WaK's run, or it'll qualify as the biggest dangling plotline in Legion history.
i agree.
anyway, if waid doesn't want to confuse new readers with all this alternate legions stuff (as, for example, DC did with that silly time trapper storyline with the ZH legion) by wrapping up the "legion re-lost" plotline on the main title, why doesn't he do it on a miniseries? i think that every reader of "the legion" would pick it up, and that would guarantee at least decent sales.
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: They'd never replace the new crop (no one is arguing that), but the mystery of their disappearance and Shikari's whereabouts MUST be addressed before the end of WaK's run, or it'll qualify as the biggest dangling plotline in Legion history.
Closure is needed. As an experienced writer, Waid knows that, but personally I don't see it happening before the end of their run.
I find it entirely fitting that DnA's run ended with a dangling plotline, though I really don't view it that way. Much like the Legion made the ultimate sacrifice during Zero Hour, I see the Rebooters having given their lives to save the integrity of the timeline.
Keep in mind that it's unclear exactly where the Multiverse survivors have been these last 20 years. It wasn't, however, the Multiverse. Johns et al may yet bring it back, but personally, I think they're teasing us with it. Someone on these boards said that they think that IC will be more about the Earth-2 Superman reeducating the DCU's heroes about what it truly means to be a hero. I think that's likely to be true. Much as I'd love to see the Multiverse return to DC continuity, I think it would cause more problems than it could ever solve.
Anyway, I seriously doubt that DC will ever bring back the Rebooters on a long-term basis, just as they will never bring back the Levitz-era team or the TMK-era team. We all have our favorite period of the Legion, but life moves forward, not back and DC will always seek to move their properties into the future.
From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Nov 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Director Lad: I find it entirely fitting that DnA's run ended with a dangling plotline, though I really don't view it that way. Much like the Legion made the ultimate sacrifice during Zero Hour, I see the Rebooters having given their lives to save the integrity of the timeline.
How so? Superboy, who was holding the Persuader's reality-splitting axe, had already made the decision to bring both the Legion and Titans to the 21st century. Then something went wrong and the Legion was suddenly and *helplessly* swept away into the interdimensinal vortex - or whatever the heck it was. They went bravely, but their fate involve no choice or sacrifice.
There also has to be a reason why Shikari was not only spared her teammate's fate, but was sent to a universe that bore some resemblance to the present one. If that's not a dangling plotline, I can't imagine what is.
quote:Much as I'd love to see the Multiverse return to DC continuity, I think it would cause more problems than it could ever solve.
If the post-IC DCU does not contain a Multiverse (and I personally believe it will) then Waid will probably fabricate something as a substitute. We're talking here about a writer who never really accepted the loss of the Multiverse in the first place, and co-invented Hypertime to circumvent it.
quote:We all have our favorite period of the Legion, but life moves forward, not back and DC will always seek to move their properties into the future.
I'm not contesting the idea that life, and the Legion, must move forward. But the preboot Legion was given absolute closure, and they went into oblivion with calm nobility. The postboot team were *victims* of a space-time catastrophe, and we don't even know if they're alive, dead or something in-between. They are literally still up in the air, and so are we, the readers. I can't easily accept the notion that Waid and Kitson will leave them, and us, hanging there indefinitely.
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[Tromium] {[...] But the preboot Legion was given absolute closure, and they went into oblivion with calm nobility. }
Some of the Legionnaires were thus rewarded and thus departed. My favorite just spontaneously faded from the continuum one day, without even the parting words of a Cheshire Cat, and had no closure for herself in terms of a story.
Nor in terms of what was torn off her back, which limbs -- despite a genetic technology clearly capable of doing so -- never were shown as being replaced.
The Zero Hour fade-out was a noble and even touching ending, whether "necessary" or not, but not everyone got to take part ... let's remember that.
{[...] I can't easily accept the notion that Waid and Kitson will leave them, and us, hanging there indefinitely. }
I can. Why should they be any different from any other creative team? They don't really care, when it comes down to it, about what came before they arrived. Including a closing-out process for the reboot Legion that I doubt they fully shaped.
Nobody else ever fully ties up others' loose ends, when those others primarily shaped them. (Even Levitz just applied somewhat obvious patches to the designed-by-committee Reflecto story, when he returned to the book after his two years away.)
We may not like such an attitude, but it's become nearly inevitable, and I'm hardly surprised by it any more.
[ October 18, 2005, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Greybird ]
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Eryk Davis Ester
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I kind of see the dangling, half-hearted crap plotline ending of the ZH Legion as fairly appropriate myself. It "died" the way it "lived", so to speak.
I have every bit of confidence that we will see both the original Legion (in some form) and the post-ZH Legion back in time for the team's 50th anniversary, however.
[ October 18, 2005, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
From: Liberty City | Registered: Jul 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: I have every bit of confidence that we will see both the original Legion (in some form) and the post-ZH Legion back in time for the team's 50th anniversary, however.
And that's *ALL* I'm really asking for, plus a few panels explaining the how, why, when and where. It's not to much to expect, imo, especially from a writer (Waid) who claims to admire DnA's 'Legion'.
Greybird, I didn't forget about the nature of Dawny's demise during End-of-an-Era, but I was trying to boil things down to a simple statement. IIRC, Chameleon, Colossal Boy/Leviathan, Shadow Lass, Projectra and some others also winked out without due ceremony because they lacked counterparts. I remember the teaser figure Barry drew last year that was (I think) meant to evoke her, and I can't help but believe that Dawnstar (or a reasonable facsimile) is somewhere on the horizon, and that she's not alone.
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