This was a fun-- if crowded issue. Invisible Kid, Brainy, Karate Kid and Batman had some fun moments, in particular. (Though Lyle was a bit over the top-- maybe he has a Bruce shrine set up somewhere, in addition to the Supergirl one. Could be he's more complex than I'd thought.)
There was a Dream Girl bit that was cruel to this fan. Maybe it'll resolve differenly than it seems at issue's end.
Brainy was even more curmudgeonly than normal (and that's saying alot for *this* version).
It was a treat to see Batman flying over a 31st century Metropolis while wearing a flight ring. That alone was worth the price of the issue.
The LSH'll be around next issue, as well- which is a good thing, because the Kara/Adam Strange/Green Lantern ongoing plot took up quite a bit of space that a team the size of the Legion could've used.
How this fits in with the ever-perplexing LIGHTNING SAGA/COUNTDOWN/AMAZONS ATTACK DCU merry-go-round is a mystery.
Posted by Jerry on :
I agree on all counts, Mystery Lad. We've now seen both versions of Karate Kid tangle with Batman. I liked this one being a mid-air fight.
It was nice to see Tinya get some panel time in the last few pages. She has been one of the more neglected members in the 3boot.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
This series has been quite amusing.
Batman getting the jump on the Trips was cute too. Nura's brief appearance was a bit sad.
I wonder if the two teams of heroes will be fighting the Luck Lords 1000 years apart or if they'll all join up next issue..
Posted by superboymddjr on :
sad and cruel on Dream Girl? I have to wait til next month...grr...okay so exactly what do you mean by that comments? did she have a statue memorial?
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Spoiler on Dream Girl's appearance in B&tB Click Here For A SpoilerNura appears in front of Tinya. Tinya says 'Nura you're alive'. But she's just been pulled from the past due to the time anomalies caused by Batman being in the Legion's time. As Batman is cleansed of the Sci-fi Gumbo causing the anomaly, Nura gets pulled back into her place in the timestream. Posted by superboymddjr on :
oh....that's pretty mean of Mark Waid!
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Well Bats took the Legion on to easily. But it was a good story. Love this series! It's FUN! And yeah I usually don't like fun.
Perez's WaK Legion? eh.
Posted by future king on :
Lets hope this Dream Girl appearance goes on to right a wrong done by the former writer in the current LSH series. Dream Girl lives again!!! Alright!!!!!!!
Posted by Pariscub on :
What I find odd, however, is that as the B&B story takes place BEFORE the Lightning Saga (as it is explained in a little text bocx in the issue), Batman doesn't mention another Legion in the JLA/JSA crossover... I mean, in the JSA/JLA crossover, it's the second time he fights a character called Karate Kid from a group called the Legion of Super-heroes, and he doesn't even mention that in passing to the others?
It means that both Batman and Superman know the Legion of super-heroes at the beginning of the Lightning saga, but that they both know a different one... that's definitely matter to talk about... In the "you can't be the Legion I met them" kind a way.
Unless of course, Batman's memory of the event is erased at the end of the B&B story.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Wasn't that the thing about the pre-crisis B&B series? Quite a few of the team-ups could not possibly fit into continuity? The story also seems to happen after the disappearance of Cos 1000 years from now. It might actually be after Bedard's current issues.
After the complaining about the cover which was decidedly the weakest of George's efforts so far the art in the issue itself was a treat. I think the choice of inker is not quite right for GP's work.
That said this thing has been really fun, so it doesn't really matter.
Posted by Pariscub on :
True, and Supergirl is conspiciously absent from the roster.
One thing though, the Legion eppears even more irritating in their behaviour than in the regular title. Brainiac 5 is suck a pr**k
Posted by Tromium on :
I loved this issue. It was fun. I won't even complain that Batman was able to use Brainy's flight ring when it was established a long time ago the rings are genetically encoded to the owner and won't work for anyone else. Posted by Novelty on :
Especially when Mark Waid was the writer of that as pointed out near the middle of this blog.
Posted by Chemical King on :
I thought the issue was okay, but I loved #2 of the current B&B series much more. Somehow I felt that the Legion did not get enough room in this story. On the other hand I also found out once more that I don't care a *** damn about this Waid-Legion version. That is a pity considering this is the first full legion issue ever drawn by my favorite George Perez.
His art was good, but I don't consider Wiacek to be his best inker - if you compare this book to the tremendous Avengers run (Inker Al Vey) or to some of Perez own stuff (Crimson Plague, Sachs and Violens inked by himself) you just get disappointed with this performance. The art looks kinda flat to me.
Still, it will be interesting to see how the story will be ending - and how they will shoehorn it into continuity...
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Novelty: Especially when Mark Waid was the writer of that as pointed out near the middle of this blog.
Not really a problem when you consider that Brainy's ring was established to be different than all the others in this issue. Knowing this version of Brainy, he probably built his to be "the ONE ring to RULE THEM ALL".
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
quote:Originally posted by Chemical King: That is a pity considering this is the first full legion issue ever drawn by my favorite George Perez.
His art was good, but I don't consider Wiacek to be his best inker - if you compare this book to the tremendous Avengers run (Inker Al Vey) or to some of Perez own stuff (Crimson Plague, Sachs and Violens inked by himself) you just get disappointed with this performance. The art looks kinda flat to me.
I agree Chemical King. I wish Perez had a really strong inker. Wiack, Vey, Kesel, Ordway(!). The art the first few issues looked better. His Batman, Supergirl, and Green Lantern looked amazing in every issue though.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
I loved the art except for the cover and splash page.
I do have a problem with Batman subduing/evading 21 Legionnaires singlehandedly though, especially considering he was in a strange futuristic city and was commandeering a flight ring he should've had no idea how to operate. How did he even find his way out of HQ?
And why didn't Colossal Boy just shrink to fly through the alley? It ain't brain surgery.
And Brainy, being the control freak that he is, would've undoubtedly made his ring even more exclusive than anyone else's imho.
Still, these are mostly quibbles.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Well it is a comic book, so the comic book sized hole in the plot can't be questioned.
If Brainy had the power to update the ring's firmware to allow tracking from his console he should also have had the power to shut it down. Also he could have blown it up like the Dominator virus did to Lyle's in the Legion's own title. But i digress.
Posted by Caliente on :
I dunno, Brainy seems like the kind of arrogant bastard who would never believe anyone could best him. Therefore, why bother having an override for his own ring? I'm just sayin'...
Also do we know when in the Legion title this takes place? Obviously after Dream Girl dies but before Supergirl comes, yes? If that's the case, the Dominator virus would have yet to seize hold and-- more than that-- I don't think Brainy was planning on harming Batman. Stop him, yes. Blow his arm off, no. Besides the ethical issues, it could affect the past. And I seriously doubt Brainy wants that on his conscience.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
The fact that Bats was melded with Tharok may explain why he had some knowledge of 31st century tech, city layout, etc. Heck, he may have retained some cyborg powers and was able to lojack the ring. Posted by rouge on :
quote:Originally posted by Caliente: Also do we know when in the Legion title this takes place? Obviously after Dream Girl dies but before Supergirl comes, yes?
Has to be, Except there's no Cosmic Boy (but also no Sun Boy, Dream Boy or Wanderers)
But then why aren't the Legion mentioning that other 21st Century refugee that was running around before Kara showed up? Seems if Batman got back somehow, it would hold at least a clue of how to get Kara back.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Cosmic Boy, Dream Boy, and Sun Boy are on the splash page even if they don't appear in the story.
Posted by Tromium on :
No one in Bedard's Supergirl/LSH arc has yet to see "Lord Validus" in the flesh, so this issue must take place after it.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I would place this in the future as well. It couldn't be before Supergirl appeared because Brainy would have been taking care of a body.
Or... It happened on Earth-B. The earth all Brave and the Bold team ups that don't fit happen. Oh wait was that only pre-crisis.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
That *could* explain why Batman was talking about his secret missions during WW2 during the issue...
Posted by Tromium on :
From the DC Nation panel, and relevant to this thread.
quote: "Batman's now met two different versions of the Legion of Super-Heroes, is he going to start putting the pieces together?" asked a fan. Geoff Johns confirmed, yes.
Dead Dream Girl was probably a clue. Posted by insanelad on :
I thought it was a dumb, nearly pointless story. What was it's purpose? To give Batman some contact with the Legion... and if it was BEFORE the Lightning Saga, why didn't he mention it then?
Just more evidence that there are plans for the Legion, but we're not aware of them yet, but it will connect them more to the present generation of heroes. (insane theory no. 3726: The Legion will be moved from the 31st Century to the Present?)
Posted by Spellbinder on :
I enjoyed it. I think the ongoing story has been interesting, and I can't help but love George drawing the Legion. Any Legion. Simply gorgeous. And I was loving the dialogue. "Batman, sit. Stay." "Fire, hot." Gotta love Brainy Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Above all else, seeing Batman with the Legion as drawn by Perez was highly appealing. That was worth the price alone.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
Brave and the Bold #5: thank you Nora Clavicle and the Ladies' Crime Club!
just got finished reading Brave and the Bold #5 and caught this really cool scene of Triplicate girl having been placed in the "Siamese Human Knot" by Batman and i was like Whoa!! that's from the 60's Batman tv series!! and i was like Wow i wonder who came up with that reference was it Waid, or Perez? who dug that one up from the "way back machine" anyway it brought up a good chuckle and i thought i'd share it with y'all.
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Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
I remember that episode. IIRC Batman, Robin, & Batgirl had to make minor but precise movement to break free without injury.
Posted by Chemical King on :
My big complaint: The collection of ##1-6 will be released with a fantastic Perez cover. So what't the deal? The buyer of the regular comic gets the dumb "faces" cover, but he who waits gets the good stuff - I'm disappointed...
The Legionnaires look way better on this cover!
Posted by MLLASH on :
Read it last night... heh. It was fun, just like this entire B&B series has been. I think Waid and Perez are really enjoying this ride and it shows.
As for the continuity whositz and whatsitz... I've given up trying to keep it straight.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
The Challengers of the Unknown being outside the Book of Destiny. Those are the old school challengers. I loved the ones after them (before Chaykin's version).
Speaking of Destiny...I know he's Sandman's sibling but I just keep getting a Time Trapper vibe. Posted by jimgallagher on :
quote:Originally posted by Chemical King:
The Legionnaires look way better on this cover!
What cover? Who's got a link?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Now that's a cool cover! Thanks, Nightly!
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: The Challengers of the Unknown being outside the Book of Destiny. Those are the old school challengers. I loved the ones after them (before Chaykin's version).
I'm not a huge Challs fan, nor was I keen on the idea of people being outside the book, but it worked. Waid suprised me, in a good way for once.
Posted by Name-Got-Lost Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: From the DC Nation panel, and relevant to this thread.
quote: "Batman's now met two different versions of the Legion of Super-Heroes, is he going to start putting the pieces together?" asked a fan. Geoff Johns confirmed, yes.
Dead Dream Girl was probably a clue.
Ok, good ... thanks. I've been scouring this board looking for someone who had an explanation posted for Bats not mentioning this. Better be a good story they've got planned for next year. They're sure building it up to be.
Posted by SiliconDream on :
quote:Originally posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN: just got finished reading Brave and the Bold #5 and caught this really cool scene of Triplicate girl having been placed in the "Siamese Human Knot" by Batman
You know he had too much fun doing that to Lu.
I was moderately irritated that Batman's fight with Karate Kid did not lead to, e.g., Batman being unconscious before he could blink--at least with the Lightning Saga fight there was the excuse that Val was mind-controlled and all. But c'est Batman.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
I really liked the final issue of this arc. It felt epic in scope and they really captured a sense of drama and urgency to the heroes' bleak situation. One of my recent complaints about many books lately has been the thinness of the plots, but the last issue had tons of stuff going on. My interest in this storyline had waned during the middle, but they wrapped it up very very nicely.
I also liked the Green Lantern/ Supergirl interaction here a lot more than the "older man trying not to notice the teenybopper who's too young for him" dynamic from before.
Oh, and does the word "Megistus" mean anything to anyone???
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
lol you would think hal would be sorta more at ease with that..considering his dead green lantern girlfriend.
See the GLC lately? She's not dead.
Posted by Chemical King on :
Now did anybody notice that #6 was done by a different inker - and the art look even better in this issue?
Really liked it a lot, even though hardly any Legionnaires were to be seen. I don't know anything about the Challengers of the Unknown (what powers do they have, where did they come from), so it was rather like Deus ex machina for me in the end. But still, the whole story was enjoyable. It had a certain 80s style flair to it - inconsequential stories that entertain...
Posted by Spellbinder on :
The Challengers of the Unknown didn't have any powers, per se. They were just the best at what they did. Rocky was a boxer, Ace was a pilot (I think), Prof was a scientist and I think Red was a daredevil of some kind (stuntman, or just some kind of risk taker).
Anyhoo, the four men were in a plane crash that should have killed them, but they somehow survived, and have been living on borrowed time ever since. In later years, they were joined by a girl named June.
Their series back in the early 80s featured art by none other than Keith Giffen.
They've gone through some changes over the years, and I think some kind of reboots as well.
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