Preview over at Newsarama Posted by jimgallagher on :
I'm not digging the boxer-briefs on Jo and Brin.
Posted by Blacula on :
Ohmygosh! Love the splash page of all the Legionnaires busy updating their Facebook profiles while the universe collapses! "Bouncing Boy is... sad at the imminent destruction of all that is. :-("
But seriously, I do love that page! And GREAT to see Bouncing Boy (and is that Duplicate Damsel down the bottom?) back on this team full-time again! And much as I love the Frank costume re-designs, I'm glad they didn't touch Chuck's. It's perfect as is.
Nice to see Gates and XS there too - though it's gonna take me some time to get used to seeing them interacting with this version of the team.
Could do without Gim's "Tell us what to do!" line to Brainy though. I know this type of crisis is tailor-made for Querl but ugh! to the constant writer-worshipping of Brainiac 5 at the expense of the rest of the team!
Still excited for this version of the team!
Posted by future king on :
quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: I'm not digging the boxer-briefs on Jo and Brin.
LOL I agree ... but we are only seeing a profile of each of them sporting their new cycle-bathing suits. Let's hope a full view looks more appealing all around. I can't wait to pick up this issue today! It should hopefully tie up all the loose ends and I think the Espionage Squad in the 21st century should make it back to their normal time soon (unless Brainy prolongs their stay with some Brainiac related emergency as the preview suggests he might). Only 1 and a half months left until LSH #1 comes out!
Posted by rouge on :
Gates!!!
I demand that Levitz tell a story with Gates, Wildfire and Quislet trapped together somewhere.
Guaranteed satisfaction.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I notice that Mon-El is absent from that group shot.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Wasn't this the plot of Foundations?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Isn't this the plot of every other Legion-related story since Foundations?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
"Somebody's messing with time and space! The entire universe is being disintegrated!"
"Again? Let me know when Brainy comes up with a plan. Meanwhile, I'll check my Facebook account!"
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Art looks great / agree about the plot!
Posted by Blacula on :
I also agree about the hackneyed plot.
I think I've stopped looking at the 'big picture' (like plot, story-telling, characterisation) when it comes to enjoying comic books, and just get my thrills from the little things (like 'ooooh there's Chuck' and 'isn't it nice that Gim is supporting Yera' and so on).
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I demand quality at every level Posted by Dev Em on :
Most of the dialog can be shifted around to any other character. Sad, considering that I could usually (usually, not all the time) tell who TMK were using without seeing them.
Posted by rouge on :
As long as Robinson doesn't break any toys before Levitz gets here, I'm content to let him play out the string. But I am getting worried.
I still don't get the need to tinker with Mon-El in the modern era. This is partly what lead to the mess last time they wanted to do stuff with Lar. With any luck the PZ is restored, he's thrown in it and away we go. Anything else will make me extremely grouchy.
Posted by Set on :
Who was that standing next to Polar Boy on the splash page, with the sort of up-arrow theme to his costume?
Should I have recognized that character? Will there be head-slappage?
Posted by Paul Newell on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: Who was that standing next to Polar Boy on the splash page, with the sort of up-arrow theme to his costume?
Should I have recognized that character? Will there be head-slappage?
Invisible Kid II...It took me a few seconds to recognise him.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Wow! I would never have figured that out!
Posted by Haggard Lad on :
Okay, I defended the other issues of this crossover when they had a lack of Legionnaires, but I was really mad at Robinson's 21st century story in this issue. It was just Tellus interacting with Superboy and Supergirl and the rest of the Legion were in the background. Not cool!
Gates' story with Brainy is good, though I was disappointed that Brainy was the only one going to the past. But still, I enjoyed that story and the examination it had on the various Brainiacs.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
Y'know, there are a lot of married couples that work together, but they really don't seem to cling to each other. Usually they appreciate interacting with people outside the relationship. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Tinya on the other side (from Jo) of the splash page every once in a while.
[ March 31, 2010, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: KryptonKid ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Well, it's the end of the universe. I don't begrudge Jo a last massage.
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: I'm not digging the boxer-briefs on Jo and Brin.
Awww... I kind of like them.
Posted by Jerry on :
So far this story line just feels disjointed. As does most of Robinson's current Superman run. The lead story was the most disappointing of this issue. The concept just didn't do much. It was nice to see Brainiac 5 refer to the connection between Brainiac and Pulsar Stargrave as a mystery. Seeing Gates and XS interact with this version of the Legion just felt wrong. It only served to make me miss the reboot team. Maybe I'll feel differently if Levitz gives them some characterization.
The Gates/Pansica story was my favorite of the issue. The artwork and colors were more dynamic. Conner, Kara, and Tellus worked well as a team.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
quote:Originally posted by KryptonKid: Y'know, there are a lot of married couples that work together, but they really don't seem to cling to each other. Usually they appreciate interacting with people outside the relationship. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Tinya on the other side (from Jo) of the splash page every once in a while.
I've always found the Legion couples to be far too clingy for my taste. Get a room already. Get a planetoid even. Take a meteor shower. Sheesh. And now they've turned Blok and Mysa's friendship into more of the same. Yawn.
Posted by Candle on :
I didn't see or recognize XS, yet, but Gates was in the group! Woohoo! And Shady has blue eyes! woohoo, again!
The only currant costume design that I can stand is Wildfire's. I'd chuck everyone else's and start over from scratch.
But, other than that, I'm just glad to see them working together.
I get my books tomorrow. sigh
Posted by rouge on :
So you have Element Lad and Quislet on your side and a horde of rampaging robots is giving you trouble? Really?
EDIT: Also, I love Brainy, I really do, but he's not the ONLY Legionnaire, despite what recent story's would have us believe.
[ April 01, 2010, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: rouge ]
Posted by future king on :
It seems this whole Brainiac in the past crossover storyline will ultimately just boil down to a battle of wits between him and our Brainiac 5. Gee, I wonder who will win... I hope the final resolution has more to offer us than just predictable "good triumphs over evil".
Are we just expecting too much from today's story tellers maybe?
It was good to see the Legionnaires in the future, even though they served no real purpose other than to cheerlead Brainy in a most uncharacteristic " we're about to vanish from existance but that's ok because we're sending our smartest team member back to the past and he'll fix everything, and our reality will resume once again as though nothing ever happened!" God I hope the finale isn't this simplistic.
Also, the solicits for this issue promised that (in a tale of the 31st century) the Legion would infiltrate the hidden lair of the Legion of Super Villains!? Huh? Where was that exactly??
[ April 01, 2010, 06:48 AM: Message edited by: future king ]
Posted by Blacula on :
quote:Originally posted by rouge: Also, I love Brainy, I really do, but he's not the ONLY Legionnaire, despite what recent story's would have us believe.
Didn't you hear? They're changing the title of this book to "Brainiac 5 and the Legion of Super-Heroes".
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Someone needs to give the artist a proper reference on Tellus. He's being treated as way too humanoid.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Candle: I didn't see or recognize XS, yet, but Gates was in the group! Woohoo!
You have to scroll to the right on the splash page, XS is working at a console directly beneath Tinya.
Posted by Candle on :
Thanks, Set!
quote:Originally posted by rouge: So you have Element Lad and Quislet on your side and a horde of rampaging robots is giving you trouble? Really?
Yeah. And Zod is supposed to be a genius general. I mean, why bother asking what a 'Legion of SUPER-HEROES' might be able to do to help during a battle with 11,000 casualties, so far. Posted by Candle on :
And, I thought that XS was Luornu, for some reason. Is Lu one of the two on the other side, seated behind Lydda? Who are they, exactly?
And who's the guy with the straight black hair and little goatee and pinkish suit standing up there by Brainy and Imra in two panels? gads
Posted by KryptonKid on :
quote:Originally posted by Candle: And, I thought that XS was Luornu, for some reason. Is Lu one of the two on the other side, seated behind Lydda? Who are they, exactly?
I think they are both Luornu.
quote:Originally posted by Candle: And who's the guy with the straight black hair and little goatee and pinkish suit standing up there by Brainy and Imra in two panels? gads
That's Cosmic Boy. Gotta say, if Legion fans can't identify the players how can we expect new readers to? Also, the art is very sketchy, not well suited for the clear lines and bold colors of the 31st century.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Candle:
quote:And Zod is supposed to be a genius general.
He may well be, but he has an ego that gets in the way, and considers Brainiac to be a very personal enemy. I don't find it out of character that he'd force the Legion to stand down while he attempts to execute the plan he strategized himself.
Posted by Candle on :
Point well taken, Chaim. He's a sad excuse of a man, though.
[ April 02, 2010, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Candle ]
Posted by Candle on :
And thanks, KK. I thought the seated two looked pretty different from each other. sigh
Why is Cos in pink? Excuse me, light red? I found him on the cover, too.
I think they need to pick an era and a look and get us used to who's who. In one book, Jan has short hair, in another it's long on top. Consistency would be nice! Posted by EmeraldEmpress on :
Apart from Mon-El I have not seen Garth either... And it seems that Rokk and Lydda they are a couple again. Another end with the legion erased of the reality? Humm...Too reiterative for my taste. If at least, when they save the universe, they could bring to the life to Andrew, Condo, Lyle and Val... It would be nice.
Posted by Dev Em on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: Someone needs to give the artist a proper reference on Tellus. He's being treated as way too humanoid.
Wehn did he get hands? I do not ever remember him having anything that looked like fingers. Let alone the way they had him "standing."
I'll be real happy when they are back in Pauls hands. He may recapture the total magic, but at least he knows the characters in regards to powers and personalities.
Posted by Candle on :
When they went to the seeding of the worlds idea, back before Zero Hour(?), Tellus' people were shown to come from humans manipulated by the Dominators in their genetic experiments.
I think that's when he got more 'human' handed, sort of, maybe.
Where does he wear his flight ring, anyway?
Posted by KryptonKid on :
quote:Originally posted by Candle:
Where does [Tellus] wear his flight ring, anyway?
I have been afraid to ask that question for 24 years!
Posted by cleome on :
He wears it in the same type of other-dimensional lockbox that Cham uses when he's not in a shape with the proper-sized digits.
The rings are made of unstable molecules! They just can't CALL them that because Marvel would file a lawsuit.
Do I have to explain everything to you people?! Tsk.
Posted by duck458 on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: I also agree about the hackneyed plot.
... 'isn't it nice that Gim is supporting Yera' and so on).
Not only is the plot overused and 'hackneyed' but it is developing so very, very slowly.
And isn't that a strange place to put a console? Way up in the air where Gim has to hold somebody up there for them to be able to work on the console, assuming that Gim's hands are too big to work on it. That phrase made me snicker for some reason.
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula:
quote:Originally posted by rouge: Also, I love Brainy, I really do, but he's not the ONLY Legionnaire, despite what recent story's would have us believe.
Didn't you hear? They're changing the title of this book to "Brainiac 5 and the Legion of Super-Heroes".
The more they concentrate on legacy heroes, the more excuses there are for cross-overs and such.
It's a mixed blessing, for reasons I've gone into before. I have a lot of misgivings about the constant emphasis on legacy heroes and villains, but that needs its own thread; and right now I haven't got the time.
Posted by Dev Em on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: He wears it in the same type of other-dimensional lockbox that Cham uses when he's not in a shape with the proper-sized digits.
The rings are made of unstable molecules! They just can't CALL them that because Marvel would file a lawsuit.
Do I have to explain everything to you people?! Tsk.
I'm sorry miss cleome...I'll never bring up Tellus again...
I've been bad, do you want to spank me? Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
i agree with the comments about the tired plot. also, tired is the..."everyone shoot all your powers at once to power up the..." why doesn't it just destroy all of brainy's devices and brainy too? AND, just how does brainy know that the time/space rift is caused by brainiac 1 killing superman? did i miss that? for that matter, how did zod manage to capture all those legionnaires? projectra alone could stop that. aaaugh! i guess i'm too old for this.
the legion of rotating artists doesn't help things like continuity or showcasing subtleties in characters. just wake me when legion #1 is here.
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by Dev Em: I'm sorry miss cleome...I'll never bring up Tellus again...
I've been bad, do you want to spank me?
Wait! Wait! [consults playbook] When did you become one of Cobie's alts?
Posted by Dev Em on :
We like to keep people on their toes.
Posted by Raging Bull on :
I'm not enjoying Adventure Comics at the moment.
No, I don't want to read Superman: Last Stand of New Krypton to get the whole story!
And the first story in this issue ("Part Four: Namesake") was heavy on unmitigated silliness and light on... well, anything actually happening.
Why does Gim need to be holding Yera up for her to stare meaninglessly at that giant monitor? Can't she just use her flight ring, like everyone else? (Or stretch her torso or something?) It's just an excuse to show "big" Gim, which is yet another lazy element in a prolonged scene in which Brainy spaces out for over five pages, while everyone else stands around begging him to do something.
And the "everyone use your powers all at once" (with "less than a minute, guys," until the destruction of, like, everything) provoked an actual LOL WUT out of me.
Gates: summon "every iota," "every erg" of "teleportation" and shoot it at... wait, huh?
The subsequent story, with Superboy and a bunch of other Legionnaires, was scarcely better... but at least we got to see Tellus (grasping his cranium in the standard "I'm using mental powers" pose), Quislet, and even Tenzil biting off some robot's head.
Posted by rouge on :
quote:Originally posted by EmeraldEmpress: Apart from Mon-El I have not seen Garth either...
Well Garth is supposed to be out searching for the "missing twin" Mekt told him about. So his absence does make story sense, surprisingly.
(Now whether is makes ANY sense that Garth would run off on his own into a possible LSV trap based on his psychotic brother's word and seemingly not tell anybody, well no. No it doesn't.)
Posted by doublechinner on :
Well, I'm enjoying the Legion's part in the finale of the last 4 (5? 6?) years of Superman stories. Tieing together Zod, Braniac, New Krypton, Mon-El and the creation of the Legion's homeworlds is a neat, boffo package, in theory at least. I'm thrilled to see Mon-El (long one of my all-time favorite DC characters) receive a starring role. Inserting this story between the Silver Age origin and his time with the Legion is brilliant, from a geeky continuity fanboy perspective, and compelling and logical. How did introverted, bookish Lar Gand learn how to be a hero? Now we know. And I hope it leads to a genuinely heroic Mon-El in the Legion's time, too, as opposed to the guy always flying off to be alone exploring the universe. But I agree it doesn't do much as an issue of Adventure Comics. But it's just SO nice seeing the Legion in action with Supergirl, Superboy, and Superman, I'm not too particular at the moment. And Levitz is right around the corner.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
is it bad that i just dont care?
i havent cared about any of the big events since LO3W and when you brake that story down to the core it was whiny prime. THE DEATH OF ROND (GRRRRRR!!!!) and a way to bring back Bart and Kon/Connor. dont get me wrong over all i love every panel every second 3 times legion the brainiac 5 saving the day with reboot brainiac 5 being the claim one which still has me giggling
but to my knowledge there are three big events going down Blackest night -the batman stuff and the new Krypton story line..
and when i got some of the legion stuff i was utterly 100% lost. the art work is so bad for most that i have no desire to find out whats going on. and they have managed to only aggravate me by extending Querl's dad life- his death was supposed to be one where he could have walked away from so when plusar shows up pretending to be his father Brainiac 5 could have believed Plusar was his long lost believed to be dead dad. and Querl's dad the man was Douchebag- he instilled things in Querl that drove him insane for going against them.
i understand they are trying to show he was a better man then all the other brainiac's before him but you can do that with out making him a ball of nice wrapped in dementia. you can show he's a good man, but a stern father who expects certain things from his son that Querl nature went against
i feel the legion is being whored out here...we can't get the sales of these books up so throw the legion in. legion fans will buy them...Levitz is coming back in May. i can hold out for him. the only thing that could get me to want to read these books if they bring back sliver age KARA. or Rond... or there is an entire and mean front to back issue of brainiac 5 kicking the shit out of brainiac 1 and mean like going ape shit, OH CRAP brainiac 5 lost all his marbles and is trying to destroy the universe crazy on brainiac 1 , and he needs to say things like 'no came to my birthday party cause of you, got my ass kicked until i was twelve.' and then and only then will i be impressed with this story line
Posted by Sir Tim Drake on :
quote:Originally posted by Raging Bull: And the "everyone use your powers all at once" (with "less than a minute, guys," until the destruction of, like, everything) provoked an actual LOL WUT out of me.
There needs to be an immediate and permanent moratorium on scenes like this. It's such a cliche. And as you correctly observe, it's especially bad when one of the powers involved is teleportation.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: "Bouncing Boy is... sad at the imminent destruction of all that is. :-("
For some reason, I've been feeling really tempted to post this as my facebook status! Maybe on whatever day it is in December 2012 that the world is supposed to end...
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by Sir Tim Drake:
quote:Originally posted by Raging Bull: And the "everyone use your powers all at once" (with "less than a minute, guys," until the destruction of, like, everything) provoked an actual LOL WUT out of me.
There needs to be an immediate and permanent moratorium on scenes like this. It's such a cliche. And as you correctly observe, it's especially bad when one of the powers involved is teleportation.
Awwww, but teleportation was the important one! Gates teleported him back to the 21st century, the rest were just the batteries and containment field!
Marvel does those kind of scenes all of the time, and have for ages. DC? Not so much.
Jeckie took her mask off in Superman: the Last Stand of New Krypton, permanently, I think. Hurray!
But that's another thread, I guess.
Posted by future king on :
I agree with you Candle. I think Jeckie looks better now without that silly mask, and the white of her hideous costume looks a bit better with her white hair (sort of toned down and blended in if you will). The story was average at best, but it's only one installment of the larger story anyway. It was a bit odd how the Legionnaires in the past reacted so ho-hum at seeing Brainiac 5 appear, I think 1 or 2 of them had on a faint smile. They haven't seen each other in a long time (I don't think they know RJ was assasinated do they?) so I was expecting the reunion to be a bit more emotional somehow. Oh well, no time to get all mushy when the fate of the universe both past and present hangs in the balance I guess. Ho-hum.
Posted by Chemical King on :
Jeckie looks way better now without the mask. Absolutely. This is like the Jeckie of my childhood, Miss Royal Sexiness
As for the "end of everything" bit: Yes, it made me yawn as well. So "been there, done that". I don't want to know how many rifts in time I have read about in the last 20 years. Just encountered one during my reboot reread (the silly Darkseid story).
My personal opinion on this is that less is more: You don't have to have the whole of Earth or the universe on the brink of annihilation to tell a good story. I really hope that Mister Paul Levitz will downtone the stories a little in his new LSH ongoing - you can only save the universe so often without getting boring...
Posted by KryptonKid on :
Well said, CK. Remember how great the story about rescuing Vi from the Imskian separatists was? Simple, personal, engaging, Mr. Levitz can write a story without the undead rising throughout the known universe.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Chemical King for president! My thoughts exactly. I'm so sick of every comic book out there having to have ever-escallating levels of crisis.
Doesn't anybody ever just knock off a bank anymore? Or how about a nice simple mysterious disappearance?
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: Doesn't anybody ever just knock off a bank anymore?
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