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Originally posted by He Who Wanders:
Bobby Ewing was in the shower.

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Originally posted by lil'rhino:
Actually, KKII was killed in Lo3W. He became a JERK during the gap.

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He was dead to me!
 

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Posted by Disaster Boy on :
 
I always liked him. In a knock off generic brand kinda way.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
There's various things that are kind of ambiguous, like Infectious Lass's apparent tenure on the team, but that, if they don't ignore it completely, seems to have been retconned in to before she joined the Subs, rather than being a retro-gap event.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
Something happened to Duo Damsel to make her Una. Or something happened to make her Duplicate Damsel.... or... err... something happened to her.....
 

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Posted by Destroy Boy on :
 
Are we supposed to assume things are roughly the same.
 

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Are we supposed to assume things are roughly the same.

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Originally posted by Fat Cramer:
Violet's not so angry. At least there was no evidence of it, although she might still loathe Yera.

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Was there ever any official explanation of why Yera was on the team? Did they finally officially waive the "no duplicate powers" thing-- which, let's face it, was messed with plenty of times before? Did she actually take Cham's place?

I'm so lost. So very, very lost...
 

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Originally posted by Crymsun:
Another thing in the retro-gap. The Subs got back together, and invited Rainbow Girl to join them.

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And Color Kid wandered off, as well. The dude who could turn yellow sunlight into red sunlight was 'sir not appearing' in the Earth-Man saga, because that was what they were using Sun Boy for, I imagine...

I'm still not sure if Graym Ranzz still exists, since Johnsboot Garth and Imra are back on the team and don't appear to be parents.

Garridan is either back to being Validus, never was Validus, never existed at all, and / or the new 'Validus' on the Lo3W Fatal Five is from a planet full of Validuses, like the R.E.B.E.L.S. Tribulus character.
 

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Posted by Fat Cramer on :
 
There was some mention of the Ranzz children being missing, so I assumed that meant Graym and Garridan.

If there was an explanation of why Yera's on the team, I missed it.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Color Kid was blinded, wasn't he?

The Ranzz kids have been mentioned in blurbs.
 

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Posted by Disaster Boy on :
 
are Imra and Garth disturbed by this?

I bet Darkseid has them, he's always stealing their kids.

maybe he's making two Validus (Validii?) this time.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I was thinking maybe Lu's being given Brainy's forcefield belt in v3 #51 could've somehow resulted in her gaining her enhanced duplication powers?

Except that may not have happened in this continuity...
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
reread the Legion of Three World's last night.

Rond still has a kid??!! with Laurel or SuperGirl I don't know. probably super girl.

this Legion is weird. it's like the 5YG Legion during the gap, if the Crisis of Infinite Earths never changed everything. (sorry i'm slow .... )

I previously thought it was 5YG Legion (with some changes in continuity thrown in for funsies) or that weird Adult Legion from the Silver Age comics (silver age?).

it's still fun. but weird. I don't think anyone could even begin to unravel this ...

so what happens to the legion from Crisis to Zero Hour. they were excluded from legion of three world's. in truth it should at least be legion of four worlds. (there was a pathetic splash page of kent and vi jumping in action with their 5YG jump suits.)
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
The Miracle Machine somehow was undestroyed and used during Final Crisis. Don't ask me what exactly that was supposed to do, Morrison had lost me long ago at that time...

...anyway, they used a Miracle Machine. Probably Morrison just thought it would be a cool surprise effect, f*** continuity...

By the way, I don't think it's a bad thing we have to figure out what happened between v3 and Ligthning Saga - I thought one of the most exciting part of 5YL had been the fact that you had to find out what had happened. Maybe it might be a good idea if Levitz started to use Giffens incredibly informative Omnicom pages ....
 

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By the way, I don't think it's a bad thing we have to figure out what happened between v3 and Ligthning Saga - I thought one of the most exciting part of 5YL had been the fact that you had to find out what had happened. Maybe it might be a good idea if Levitz started to use Giffens incredibly informative Omnicom pages ....

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The BIG difference was that I think TMK actually thought about how the Legionnaires might have changed and been affected by the previous series (mostly Magic Wars) and didn't bring back characters without an explanation or story behind it. So, it was far more interesting to figure out the details.

Here Johns (and the rest) apparently read only two or three Legion comics and most of them were from the last ten years.
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
I agree with you that there was probably much less thought invested by Johns and Co. Many people now do finally see how good Giffens work was, huh?

Anyway I think there are not too many inconsistencies there that they can not be integrated by a prolific writer like Levitz. Of course, that would be Levitz doing the job Johns should have been doing - but considering Levitz' love for the Legion, I'm quite sure he will be able to make an interesting story out of the "don't know how many years gap", no matter what Johns did not think about.

Has Johns been interviewed about the continuity glitches anywhere?
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I'd like to vote for NOT making these continuity glitches a big focus of the new Legion. I think it's a rare thing for stories focused on dealing with such glitches to be actually good stories. I hope that Levitz, to the extent that he addresses it, does so in an incidental, off-hand way. As clever as I thought his Validus story was, and as powerful as his work with the Emerald Empress was, those stories did too much to violate the status quo of the Legion. For a massive group with a thin rogues gallery, you NEED an iconic Fatal Five with a Tharok, a Validus and an Emerald Empress.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Yeah. But...how about keeping the continuity...

and having Superboy-Prime rip a hole in time and space and bring in the Fatal Five from Earth-Prime (since they look like the Brave and the Bold versions anyway)?

I mean if Johns was paying attention, he had done that before and could have brought in Elysion and maybe a few Wanderers into the Johnsboot Universe during LEGION OF THREE WORLDS to really turn up the heat a bit. He'd done it before in the Titans crossover. I'd rather he spend a few panels on that than on Sodam Yat.

Superboy-Prime (looking at Mano and Persuader with Caress and Flare in the background) - "Wait! Where's the rest of the Fatal Five?!?"

Persuader - "Dead!"

Superboy-Prime - "Oh yeah! Try this!" (Grabs the Atomic Axe and slices open a portal to Earth-Prime from which the B&B Fatal Five emerge.)

Superboy-Prime - "Now this is a FATAL Five!"

During the course of the story, Mano Y Mano become partners (until one of them kills the other?) and the Johnsboot Persuader slices time and space again to shove the Prime Persuader into Earth's past (thus explaining the 20th Century Persuader) to ensure he's the only one.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Remember in the SW6 stories where Tharok shows up and McCauley just says, "Oh, I found in trapped in some sub-dimension or other" and voila!, we've got Tharok back to use. It didn't take that much explanation, but in those days they would never have just had Tharok show up without some brief explanation of how he's there. One or two lines of dialogue can usually accomplish this kind of thing, in the hands of a good writer.
 

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Superboy-Prime (looking at Mano and Persuader with Caress and Flare in the background) - "Wait! Where's the rest of the Fatal Five?!?"

Persuader - "Dead!"

Superboy-Prime - "Oh yeah! Try this!" (Grabs the Atomic Axe and slices open a portal to Earth-Prime from which the B&B Fatal Five emerge.)

Superboy-Prime - "Now this is a FATAL Five!"

During the course of the story, Mano Y Mano become partners (until one of them kills the other?) and the Johnsboot Persuader slices time and space again to shove the Prime Persuader into Earth's past (thus explaining the 20th Century Persuader) to ensure he's the only one.

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Maybe Paul will insert these scenes in flashback form as we go?

Paul are you reading this?
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
You guys totally lost me

That reminds me of the fatally bad storyline ending the Reboot though. Fatal Five hundred (or thousand or whatever). The Persuaders axe seems to come pretty close to the Miracle Machine in some writers minds. Not in mine, though. I feel that stories in which the space time continuum is manipulated by a kind of miracle blade are not worth reading...
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
I'm not a fan of it either.

The point was to use established continuity (regardless of how bad the science is [that was the story referenced above, written by Johns & Waid]) to fix some of the holes that Johns ran through the Johnsboot with.

It's the easiest solution to the Garridan/Validus & Emerald Empress died, but look here she is mess.

[ April 27, 2010, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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