So, as is now pretty much a known fact, the September Not-a-Reboot-but-a-Relaunch (or "NottaBoot" if you will) is a direct result of the Siegel Family lawsuit.
But Supes ain't the only character they could go after by a long shot, if they so desired...
Matter-Eater Lad would be the biggest loss to LSH-dom of course, but if those money-hungry Siegel lawyers get wind of the rabid LSH fanbase, we stand to lose many more:
Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel
Phantom Girl
Brainiac 5
Invisible Kid
Colossal Boy
Chameleon Boy
Shrinking Violet
Bouncing Boy
Sun Boy
The Legion of Super-Pets
Ultra Boy
The LSV Members:
Lightning Lord
Saturn Queen
Cosmic King
And there are probably some I am forgetting.
What a disaster that would be... Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Dr. Landro's hot nurse!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Queen Azura of Femnaz!
Posted by MLLASH on :
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by MLLASH on :
Well, maybe the Hot Nurse could be replaced with... an unattractive nurse!!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Original recipe Glorith... Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Well, maybe the Hot Nurse could be replaced with... an unattractive nurse!!
I suppose one could argue, however, that it's really John Forte who's responsible for her hotness...
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
There's also some fourth-rate villain named Computo...
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
^^Fortunately, Bizarro-Computo was created by Ed Hamilton!
Posted by MLLASH on :
This is looking MIGHTY grim for the LSH... maybe Levitz will put Jed on the team once the Siegels get the right to all these characters and launch their own SUPERMAN & THE LSH comic, which is almost 100% assured to happen...
Posted by Quislet, Esq on :
Phew! Sinde is safe!
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: ^^Fortunately, Bizarro-Computo was created by Ed Hamilton!
Oh, NOoooOOOOOoooooo!!!! Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq: Phew! Sinde is safe!
That she is, since she is a Jim Shooter creation!
Posted by He Who LSHes on :
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm just now learning about this. Is the lawsuit meant to lay claim to *everything* Jerry Siegel wrote for DC?
If that's the case, then *choke* goodbye, Command Kid.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by He Who LSHes: Forgive my ignorance, but I'm just now learning about this. Is the lawsuit meant to lay claim to *everything* Jerry Siegel wrote for DC?
Not yet! Lash is worried about the future, however!
Posted by cleome45 on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Well, maybe the Hot Nurse could be replaced with... an unattractive nurse!!
Maybe the employment agency could send over a hot male nurse instead. Or a hot Threeboot Durlan nurse.
[feels faint]
Posted by He Who LSHes on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
quote:Originally posted by He Who LSHes: Forgive my ignorance, but I'm just now learning about this. Is the lawsuit meant to lay claim to *everything* Jerry Siegel wrote for DC?
Not yet! Lash is worried about the future, however!
OK. Well, we know Lash's predictions are usually right. Posted by MLLASH on :
At the rate we are going to lose characters, Bizarro-Computo will be the first new Legionnaire after the Founders...
Posted by MLLASH on :
I assume The Weirdo Legionnaire is also safe...
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
What of Iresa? Or the Planetary Chance Machine? Or the Cellular Trim Ray? Will we ever see any of those again?
Posted by Power Boy on :
As long as there still is Doc Mayavale ... he's the Wolverine of the DC.
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: So, as is now pretty much a known fact, the September Not-a-Reboot-but-a-Relaunch (or "NottaBoot" if you will) is a direct result of the Siegel Family lawsuit.
Have I missed something here, is the relaunch really being linked to the court case? I can't see how taking Superman back to the way he was in the Siegel/Shuster days (in the new Action Comics at least) can help DC.
Posted by MLLASH on :
You haven't missed anything.
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: You haven't missed anything.
Also, this whole thread shows a serious misunderstanding of what actually happened.
Copyright was extended a lot of times. It was once 56 years, then 75 years, then 95 years.
When copyright was extended, it was written into the law that if you sold your copyright before the law extended it, you only sold the original amount, not the extension. So the Siegels sold Superman when the length was 56 years; when the length was extended, they got to keep the 56-95 year extension. The Shuster heirs got to keep the 75-95 extension (they couldn't get back the part from 56-75 because the rules for that one didn't apply to all heirs).
The law only applies when the copyright was sold. If you did a "work for hire", it's considered to have been created by the company in the first place, not to have been sold, so Legion characters aren't eligible. Superman became an issue because they created Superman first and then sold him, rather than creating Superman as a DC employee.
And they're no more being greedy by wanting the extensions than DC is by wanting the extensions. DC didn't earn them any more than anyone else; DC was sold 56 years and they got 56 years. Any years past 56 are an unearned gift; it's just a question of whether DC or the families of the creators get the gift.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Now I understand!! Posted by MLLASH on :
But I'm still concerned about Dr. Landro's hot nurse... you're absolutely sure the Siegels can't lay a claim to her...? I don't think it's fair to lose a beloved character because Seigel's great-great comic-hating grandson Josh or whoever wants a fourth yacht...
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: What of Iresa? Or the Planetary Chance Machine? Or the Cellular Trim Ray? Will we ever see any of those again?
All of these will soon be owned by Josh Siegel, the comics-hating great-great grandson of their creator.
Damn you, Josh!!!!
Posted by Jerry on :
Solution:
Josh Siegel and Dan Didio must Lip Synch for their lives. Winner takes it all.
Josh Siegel *HATES* the gays... he had all effeminate men fired from his 6 mansions worth of staff and all of his yacht crews!!
And we are going to let THIS jerk get control of Lester Spiffany?!?!?!
NO. WE STAND AS ONE AGAINST YOU, JOSH!!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
That's it!
I'm getting sick of this!
I say we, the posters of Legion World, challenge Josh Siegel to a yacht race, with winner taking control of Jerry Siegel's Legion creations once and for all!
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: That's it!
I'm getting sick of this!
I say we, the posters of Legion World, challenge Josh Siegel to a yacht race, with winner taking control of Jerry Siegel's other Legion creations once and for all!
We will see you in hell, Josh Siegel!!
Posted by MLLASH on :
So... who has a yacht? And is it seaworthy?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I'm pretty sure everyone in Connecticut has a yacht!
Posted by MLLASH on :
Povvins, Cobie? Can we borrow ya'lls yachts?
Posted by cleome45 on :
[passes out life jackets]
[sells tickets]
Posted by MLLASH on :
Josh Siegel will rue the day he ever tried to lay his grubby paws on Azura of Femnaz!!!
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Povvins, Cobie? Can we borrow ya'lls yachts?
Hold on... Wasn't there a Luxury Yacht character introduced in the WaK Legion version? Would the rights to this character belong to the Siegels, DC or Monty Python, LLC?
Just tryin' to prevent more lawsuits. Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Let's use a blatantly similar substitute name instead!
How about... Y@chts?
Posted by the Hermit on :
Y.A.C.H.T.S.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Povvins, Cobie? Can we borrow ya'lls yachts?
Oh, while we're at it, we ought to hit Rocky and Beagz up for some free fuel from their oil wells!
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Y.A.C.H.T.S. = Young Adventurers Chasing..? ? ?
Posted by MLLASH on :
Alls I know is, I'll be darned before Josh Siegel uses the fortune he will make from LSH characters to add more yachts to his collection!
That punk makes me sick!!
Posted by MLLASH on :
All us southern posters will be sure our yachting team has only the sexiest of yachting uniforms, made from the freshest cotton from our many cotton-converting-to-yachting-uniform factories... no poly blends allowed!!
Josh Siegel is GOING DOWN!
Posted by Shining Son on :
Hey Lash,
Where can one read up on this Josh Siegel character? Is all this money from past lawsuits or settlements?
Posted by MLLASH on :
Son, Josh Siegel is someone I totally made up.
I wanted a "J" name that sounded like someone young, so I chose Josh.
This thread wasn't meant to be serious, I doubt the Siegel family has any actual interest in the LSH.
And if there really IS a Josh Siegel grandchild in the Siegel family, I'm sure he's very nice Posted by MLLASH on :
In fact... I now plan to MARRY JOSH SIEGEL!!!
Realistically, it's the only sure way I can keep the Legion safe...
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
As I recall, Jerry Siegel had only a daughter, so I doubt there's an actual descendant named Josh Siegel.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: In fact... I now plan to MARRY JOSH SIEGEL!!!
Realistically, it's the only sure way I can keep the Legion safe...
Given that Joanne Siegel was the model for hot Golden Age Lois Lane, Josh may have very well inherited her good looks!
Posted by MLLASH on :
GASP!!! An image search reveals the face of our nemesis JOSH SIEGEL:
HE'S TOTES ADORABLE!!
I shall proceed with Operation: Marry Josh Siegel immedietely!!
Gee... I hope I don't get sucked into the Siegel family drama... It might be kind of cool to own the rights to Matter-Eater Lad... *chuckles nefariously*
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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Too bad about his hatred for comics!
Posted by MLLASH on :
Oh, I plan to make the little comic-hating twerp's life miserable once the "I do"s are said!!!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Jeepers! If you play it right, maybe you could divorce him and take the Legion!
Posted by MLLASH on :
Hmmm. True. I will have to make sure I keep at him and his family to wrest control of Jerry's Legionaire creations, and then once they have them, I will divorce him , demand the rights in exchange for not taking any of his yachts and stuff, and then --AT LAST--
MATTER-EATER LAD & THE LSH (a "MLL'Ester" joint!) will be a reality!!
NYAhahahaha!!!!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
This sounds to me like a foolproof plan!
Posted by MLLASH on :
That little snot-nosed punk will be so in love with me, he won't know what hit him... Ha, Ha, Ha!!!
gee, this must be what it feels like to be FEMbrain...
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Josh Siegel *HATES* the gays... he had all effeminate men fired from his 6 mansions worth of staff and all of his yacht crews!!
This, of course, is to cover up the fact that Josh secretly IS gay, so the plan proceeds!!
Posted by Shining Son on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Son, Josh Siegel is someone I totally made up.
I wanted a "J" name that sounded like someone young, so I chose Josh.
This thread wasn't meant to be serious, I doubt the Siegel family has any actual interest in the LSH.
And if there really IS a Josh Siegel grandchild in the Siegel family, I'm sure he's very nice
Ah. You know, I didn't THINK they ever got enough from DC to spoil their grandkids like that.
Um, you didn't really post a random Josh Siegel pic from the internet here for fake villifying, did you? This stuff will likely pop up when the poor kid starts job interviews.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I saw Josh Siegel the other day at the Connecticut Yacht Club and he was laughing over cigars and brande about selling Meglaro to Disney so he could put a fresh coat of paint on his Rolls Royce!
I was aghast! I could hardly finish my sniffter!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Apparently Meglaro is the new nemesis for the Power Pack btw.
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I saw Josh Siegel the other day at the Connecticut Yacht Club and he was laughing over cigars and brande about selling Meglaro to Disney so he could put a fresh coat of paint on his Rolls Royce!
I was aghast! I could hardly finish my sniffter!
I want to be outraged by this yet I cannot stop !
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Shining Son: [QUOTE]Originally posted by MLLASH:
Um, you didn't really post a random Josh Siegel pic from the internet here for fake villifying, did you? This stuff will likely pop up when the poor kid starts job interviews.
I pity the Human Resources person who happens across this thread!
Posted by SharkLad on :
Wasn't Josh Siegel the inspiration for the Ed Westwick character on 'Gossip Girl?'
Posted by Shining Son on :
BTW Lash, is it wrong that I like it so much when you call me Son?
And I would approve of a very rich cute stepdad, so proceed.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Unfortunately the plan Eryk and I concocted for Invisible Brainiac to seduce and marry Kitty Schuster, grand-daughter of Joe Schuster and part-time model, didn't go so well since she ended up doing a two month stint in rehab (and IB is still coming down from that buzz).
Looks like it's up to Lash now!
Posted by MLLASH on :
I've almost got the little yutz right where I want him! He's wanting to get with this so bad, he can almost taste it, Ha Ha Ha!!
He'll be putting a ring on it in NO time!!
Posted by Jerry on :
GASP!! So **THAT'S** where he was last night!! Well, he's SO gonna regret lying to me!!
*fetches big iron skillet*
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I saw Josh Siegel the other day at the Connecticut Yacht Club and he was laughing over cigars and brande about selling Meglaro to Disney so he could put a fresh coat of paint on his Rolls Royce!
I was aghast! I could hardly finish my sniffter!
Possibly Cobie's finest post ever! Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Unfortunately the plan Eryk and I concocted for Invisible Brainiac to seduce and marry Kitty Schuster, grand-daughter of Joe Schuster and part-time model, didn't go so well since she ended up doing a two month stint in rehab (and IB is still coming down from that buzz).
We must hide those videos. Blaze will want to know exactly what Kitty and I did, and if he finds out he may never kiss my lips again!
Posted by Blaze on :
*ahem*
And how come I only learned of this video just now?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
*gives Blaze his best cute look*
What video, hon? Oh, that? That's just some no-good lookalike porn star. You always did tell me I could be in porn, right?
Posted by Set on :
Can the Siegels lay claim on the Super Companions? 'Cause that would mean WAR!
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
Probably, but no one wants them. Posted by SharkLad on :
This is totes one of my favorite threads ever! Almost as good as this one. Posted by Blaze on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: *gives Blaze his best cute look*
What video, hon? Oh, that? That's just some no-good lookalike porn star. You always did tell me I could be in porn, right?
Why does that sound like a lie? I want to see the video!
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
What video? *starts sweating*
Oh, hey look, it's Ian Somerhalder and Chace Crawford! Quick, let's go get their autographs!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Unfortunately, Lash broke Josh's heart and Josh swore revenge on Legion fandom!
His first act was to ACTUALLY LET DC KEEP MAKING LEGION COMICS IN THE DCnU!
That bastard! He knew under Didio's tenure all DC comics would suck!
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
In all seriousness, it looks like this lawsuit is over for now (at least for the Shusters).
And a serious question... what responsibility did DC *EVER* have to Shuster's sister and brother, who have absolutely nothing to do with the creation of Superman? I simply can't wrap my mind around the fact that these two people who had nothing to do with SUPERMAN get annual pensions from DC...????
I mean, Shuster's wife or kids would be one thing... that I can understand, but his brothers and sisters?
Posted by Shining Son on :
Heirs are heirs, I assume it's as simple as that. If a man was entitled to something, it goes to his estate when he's gone, and estates go to heirs. It's not a question of whether the heirs contributed somehow.
Wife and kids probably had nothing to do with Superman either if that were a legal point.
(Alright, I think she might have been the original model for Lois...)
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
So, DC keeps paying this pension to, say, the great-grandchildren of Shuster's brother and sister too 60 years from now? I really, truly do not understand this.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
This thread is getting alarmingly close to the topic of my marrying Lady Cobalt because her great-great grandfather Harold P. Funyun, created funyuns and she's the heir to the massive Funyun estate!*
Every year I burn massive amounts of free funyuns I get in the same bonfire Josh Siegel burns thousands of old Legion comics.
(* which coincidently includes a 15% ownership share of Disney!)
Posted by Dave Hackett on :
quote:Originally posted by lowercase mllash: So, DC keeps paying this pension to, say, the great-grandchildren of Shuster's brother and sister too 60 years from now? I really, truly do not understand this.
The agreement they are hinging the ruling on says that they pay Shuster's sister 25K a year until she dies. Once she's gone DC will supposedly own the Shuster half of the rights in perpetuity (or until Congress grows a backbone and lets them go into Public Domain).
Posted by Shining Son on :
Not actually reading anything about this, but just tossing out possibilities to ease Lash's mind:
If anyone's fighting over something right now, fair chance it's what the wording of some previous settlement or other agreement means, not what the general rule of law is. It's not as if every creator automatically gets his or her siblings and grandchildren a pension.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... it would be interesting to know, for example, how much the Burroughs heirs make annually off the fact that they still control the rights to Tarzan and other ERB creations.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Why couldn't my great-grandpappy have created Madam Fatal or something?!!?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Your descendants will be heirs to the vast FemBrain fortune!
Posted by MLLASH on :
Those lazy bastards!!! Quit living off FEMbrain and get a job, hippies!!
Posted by Dave Hackett on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Hmm... it would be interesting to know, for example, how much the Burroughs heirs make annually off the fact that they still control the rights to Tarzan and other ERB creations.
ERB's estate is an interesting case as a lot of Burrough's characters and stories ARE in Public Domain in most jurisdictions, and it's just Trademark, not Copyright they can legitimately claim. Of course that doesn't stop them from saying they have the rights. It will be interesting to see if the spat with Dynamite goes all the way, as it may set precedent if a judge is forced to rule on the question of trademarking something you don't own copyright to. That is, how much of a Public Domain property can qualify as a "mark".
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