Good thing that they're there! How can the UP risk the lives of Brainy and Dreamy? They're their planets' treasures and have worked to save the UP many times. The UP isn't thinking very straight.
Posted by razsolo on :
Well this preview is certainly a good remedy for the solicits (which make that group sound like they're barely on par with the Inferior Five)...I really like when Legionnaires use their powers in creative ways like this
In other news, WHEN IS THOM GONNA GET OUT OF THAT SPROCKING CHAIR?! Seriously, he has been back for over a year in real time and he is still on the wounded list?
Yet Polar Boy can get a new hand made as easy as walking to the corner store...it's just pointless, and Thom's recovery period (recovery from what??) has been dragged out way longer than it ever needed to be.... Posted by Leather Wolf on :
Thom had mental injuries as seen in Adventure Comics and Lo3W. He may be using the chair as a mental crutch because he "feels" unsure of himself.
I love the use of Comet Queen's powers in this preview. I've finally found a use for her in the Legion. She was a good pick for Bouncing Boy's plan.
Posted by jdpinball on :
The preview does indeed look good. I'm wondering how they are all able to fly since this is a non sanctioned mission and they should not be wearing Legion Flight rings? I can't wait to see Comet Queen, Duplicate Damsel and BB kick some Dominator Disk Licker ass
Posted by Dave Hackett on :
quote:Originally posted by Leather Wolf: Thom had mental injuries as seen in Adventure Comics and Lo3W. He may be using the chair as a mental crutch because he "feels" unsure of himself.
Except the JSA doesn't exist on the current Earth anymore, so how does the whole "Starman" thing fit in now? We had Ultra Boy reference his time in the asylum, so that's still there somehow. Unless the Legion still 'see's the pre-Flashpoint history from their vantage point, which would be even more messy.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
He's probably gone crazy just from trying to figure out his own continuity!
Anyway, I thought this issue was pretty decent, even if the Legionnaires got taken out way too easily. Probably the best cover of the series so far! And "spacetrash" is officially my new favorite insult.
Posted by cleome46 on :
Looks very nice.
(Feh. I can't even remember how many issues behind I am right now.)
Posted by Power Boy on :
BAH! Since when does Dream Girl need to be rescued! Thom will ruin everything!
Posted by Jerry on :
Fun issue. Portela did his usual nice job, and I liked this Guinaldo guy too. Thom's team came across as competent. Mon-El had his strongest moment as leader. Nura and Lu came across well. What is Comet Queen's motivation?
A quick read, but a lot going on.
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Posted by Leather Wolf on :
This was an action packed roller coaster issue. Thomas dis a good job leading the rescue team until the betrayal changed things. Mon-el isn't completely off the hook with his answer to Cosmic Boy. He could have sent any legionnaire in if he really wanted to, even with the diplomatic hang-ups. There 's a lot of stuff that has to happen next issue to resolve this crisis. I for one will be on the edge of my seat to see hoe Paul Levitz sorts this out.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Fun issue. Portela did his usual nice job, and I liked this Guinaldo guy too. Thom's team came across as competent. Mon-El had his strongest moment as leader. Nura and Lu came across well. What is Comet Queen's motivation?
A quick read, but a lot going on.
Isn't the Dominion making clones of the Legion?
If so, it would be easy to assume she wants her very own Bouncing Boy.
Or... she could be pulling a Mentalla.
...
You know, I just realized, but both Legion traitors, Nemesis Kid (the real one) and Mentalla (the fake one) had the same color scheme.
Posted by razsolo on :
Wow, this issue was AWESOME!
Luornu particularly kicked ass, but everyone got a chance to shine....and I am gonna be interested to see where Paul's going with Comet Queen because I doubt very highly that it's as simple as it appears to be. At a guess I'd say the Dominator guy with the DNA strand on his disk has something to do with it...
Good cliffhanger! Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: You know, I just realized, but both Legion traitors, Nemesis Kid (the real one) and Mentalla (the fake one) had the same color scheme.
Yanno who else uses that color scheme?
Matter-Eater Lad.
Dun dun dun dun...
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
I read 10-11.
I really really REALLY liked how well Levitz wrote Lu here. I will go so far to say that this is the best he has ever written her.
The solicits for these issues enraged me awhile back but the issues themselves have done the characters justice.
As for Comet Queen -something hasn't been revealed yet. I think she will be innocent.
I'm not sold on Not-Dawnstar and Not-Saturn Girl yet. I have a long history of having a problem with replacements for beloved characters.
Posted by jdpinball on :
I think that the new telepath recruit had her powers used against her and took control of Comet Queen. I can't believe Paul spent all this time building her character up to then have her just be a traitor or pull an Mentella...
And Portela did a FANTASTIC job as usual; I'm going to miss him when Kollins comes on board.
Posted by The Man From Cargg on :
If Lu prime/original is knocked out, are all her bodies knocked out? Not sure why all her duplicates seem to be constantly defeated at the same time.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
jdpinball, I'm operating under that assumption as well. Cargg, I think expediency in artistic storytelling is the culprit there.
Posted by Candlelight on :
What happens to Lu's copies seems to differ with the boot, I guess. I'd hate it if hitting one means hitting all, though. That would pretty much defeat the purpose, especially the trijitsu. Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
It didn't occur to me that Comet Queen was under mind control, but now that I think about it it's obvious.
All in all it's the best issue we've had in a long while, except that I thought Brainy was a little bit out of character. And what's this retcon about the force field belt? There were points in the past where it was very obvious he invented it, including where he tried to give Supergirl an extra one.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Ken Arromdee: And what's this retcon about the force field belt? There were points in the past where it was very obvious he invented it, including where he tried to give Supergirl an extra one.
It was brought up in the recent Secret Origins run. Brainy refers to his belt as a family secret, and not duplicate-able, as the power source is unique. (Mentioned in issue 2 and again in issue 4, as both Phantom Girl and Circadia Senius suggest making more of them. It may also get mentioned a few more times. Paul really seemed to be hammering that point home...)
Paul later has Brainy mention it in the main Legion title, as Questor blasts him with a weapon that 'should punch through any shield' and Brainy notes that his shield is 'lost technology' and a 'family secret.' (Issue 12.)
It does answer the question of why Brainy doesn't make one for everyone, I suppose, but I would prefer if it was something more Brainy-specific, like that the quantum energy field is wicked unstable and requires constant micro-adjustments to shield him from specific things from microsecond to microsecond, and that anybody with less than a 12th level intellect couldn't keep up with the changing variables and would end up getting fried or something.
Posted by Candlelight on :
quote:Originally posted by Set:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Arromdee: And what's this retcon about the force field belt? There were points in the past where it was very obvious he invented it, including where he tried to give Supergirl an extra one.
It was brought up in the recent Secret Origins run. Brainy refers to his belt as a family secret, and not duplicate-able, as the power source is unique. (Mentioned in issue 2 and again in issue 4, as both Phantom Girl and Circadia Senius suggest making more of them. It may also get mentioned a few more times. Paul really seemed to be hammering that point home...)
Paul later has Brainy mention it in the main Legion title, as Questor blasts him with a weapon that 'should punch through any shield' and Brainy notes that his shield is 'lost technology' and a 'family secret.' (Issue 12.)
It does answer the question of why Brainy doesn't make one for everyone, I suppose, but I would prefer if it was something more Brainy-specific, like that the quantum energy field is wicked unstable and requires constant micro-adjustments to shield him from specific things from microsecond to microsecond, and that anybody with less than a 12th level intellect couldn't keep up with the changing variables and would end up getting fried or something.
In the last dotREBELS, IIRC, Bedard had Lyrl Dox make the shield belt, or possibly Dox, but I think it was Lyrl.
Lyrl is revealed to be a 12th level, but we find out towards the end of the series that Dox is only, and bitterly, a 10th level.
He was forced genetically by his father, the original Brainiac, to be less intellegent than his father, therefore less of a threat to him.
We have a Brainy issue coming up, Issue Zero, I think, so maybe Levitz will clarify how that who thing rests in the DCnU.
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: I would prefer if it was something more Brainy-specific, like that the quantum energy field is wicked unstable and requires constant micro-adjustments to shield him from specific things from microsecond to microsecond, and that anybody with less than a 12th level intellect couldn't keep up with the changing variables and would end up getting fried or something.
I always assumed it was something like that--like a Green Lantern ring with very high requirements.
Paul once mentioned that Dream Girl could (rather crudely) use the belt because she was one fo the Legion's best scientific minds. Can anyone dredge up that letter column?
Posted by jdpinball on :
Yes, I remember a scene where Dreamy grabs the belt from someone; annoyed that they didn't know how to use the belt after so many years of watching Brainy use it? Although that could no longer be in continuity
This was a good issue although the code names of the new recruits are just stupid...
Posted by jdpinball on :
And does anyone else think its time for DD to come back on the team full time? Paul's done a great job of re-establishing her.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by jdpinball: And does anyone else think its time for DD to come back on the team full time?
Me! Although I'd rather that Chuck remains in charge of the Academy.
Shady, Tinya, Ayla and Lu are my favorite Legion ladies!
Posted by ultrajo on :
Bring back Lu to full-time membership!!!
Posted by EmeraldEmpress on :
Yes, bring back Lu.. Kill the telepath and bring back Imra too. And don´t forget Jeckie. I hope the new writers make good things about the beloved characters and put all the new losers in the Limbo.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Re the forcefield belt, I'd also prefer if it were irreplaceable because of the uniqueness of a component, but NOT because Brainy isn't smart enough to recreate it.
Quite a good issue, with enough action and everyone on the team doing something. Even Cos and Mon were written well (and loved Cos' reaction and body language after Mon told him off!)
Posted by Set on :
The notion that the force field belt is 'unique' because it's actually built out of part of the original Brainiac, and could someday turn out to be the key to his return as a 31st century villain springs to mind, but Paul has already dipped into the '20th century villain as a 30th century threat' well with Darkseid (and others did so with Ras al-Ghul, less successfully, IMO), so hopefully that's just a whacky notion of mine, and not his...
Posted by razsolo on :
Brainiac would probably be one 21st century villain who would legitimately work really well in the 31st century; not just because of the obvious link to our Brainy (and Superboy and Supergirl), but also because with his history of grabbing cities from other worlds it wouldn't be at all difficult to insert him into some of the other Legionnaire homeworld's histories....
I think we need to give the 21st century tie-ins a rest for a little while though....I actually quite liked Ra's (though the terrorforms kinda fell flat for the most part IMO), but DnA's turn at Darkseid was pretty underwhelming, we've just had a lousy Superboy-Prime story and with the Legion Lost crew already in the 21st century I think that's quite enough interaction with the DCU of a thousand years prior...
re: Brainy's forcefield belt, I too would prefer that it's irreplaceable because of components within it, or that it can't be duplicated because you'd need to be as smart as Brainy to work it (I did like that story where Dreamy gets frustrated with Ayla not knowing how to use it and takes it off her).
It's kind of weird that Levitz has made Brainy solely responsible for the flight rings and Mon-El's lead serum (which detracts from other Legionnaires being smart), but the one thing that really is his greatest invention (that didn't try to kill everyone) is no longer actually his achievement...
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by razsolo: [QB] Brainiac would probably be one 21st century villain who would legitimately work really well in the 31st century;
Oh, that's true. And, really, probably even more true for Brainiac, than for Darkseid (who is not tied into the Legion, and tends to bring his own mythological baggage into the story, with Apokalips / New Genesis, etc.).
quote: I think we need to give the 21st century tie-ins a rest for a little while though...
Word. Sentence and Paragraph, even.
quote: It's kind of weird that Levitz has made Brainy solely responsible for the flight rings and Mon-El's lead serum (which detracts from other Legionnaires being smart), but the one thing that really is his greatest invention (that didn't try to kill everyone) is no longer actually his achievement...
I had the same thought. The one thing (apart from Computo...) that Brainy can legitimately claim, his force field belt, without poaching or diminishing other Legionnaire's past brilliant achievements, and it's been taken from him and made into something he apparently doesn't even understand.
Given that I know bupkiss about L.E.G.I.O.N., I'm particularly not thrilled that some character from a book that made Phantom Girl into a Carggite and retrofitted R.J. Brande into a thousand year old character and may have more recently established Validus as part of an entire race of critters, and has been just as quickly removed from continuity in the New DCU, may now be the inventor of the force field belt.
It was this sort of thing that led to Laurel Kent being put on the bus, being tied to a past continuity that was in flux. Brainy's belt being retconned to be the invention of a character that may no longer exist gives me that queasy 'here we go again' feeling.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
We've already kind of had Brainiac in the 21st century with Pulsar Stargrave, at least in one version of the character's background.
Posted by Candlelight on :
That was Dox, IIRC, too, as well as his father. And the Mallor Darkstar. They've also had the Emerald Eye.
And I'm sure that Lyrl and Dox still exist, DC just hasn't presented them yet. They're great characters, with fascinating stories and connections to the eras of the DCU. In my opinion, anyway.
Do you remember when Brainy gave his belt to Lu? He wanted her to keep it so that her last self, or so he thought at the time, would be safer. So, it can't be that hard to work.
She returned it, but not because she couldn't get it to work. She just didn't like being in the middle of the possibilities it created, IIRC.
Posted by EmeraldEmperor on :
After rereading this a couple of times, it seems pretty obvious that Comet Queen is being controlled mentally.
First, on page 7, panels 1 and 2, the Dominator seems to be messing with Brainy somehow. When I first read this issue, I thought it was a misprint when Brainy says '....an un-natural effect" because it seems to be a continuation of the Dominator's sentence.
Second, on the following page, panels 3-5, Otaki seems to be affected by probing this same dominators mind, with Mwindaji warning her not to get lost in its mind.
Third, later when Otaki confronts this same dominator, she collapses and he states "Out wills are stronger than your..."
Then, on the following page, the Dominator and Brainiac struggle, and it seems to be as much a mental battle as a physical one with Brainy prevailing until Comet Queen takes Brainy out. Notice CQ says this is a present from someone "who really, really didn't like you." It seems she may not be referring to herself. As Nura slaps her, CQ says only "told me."
Based on all this, I would say this Dominator has some kind of mental powers, and someone who is still suffering from a mindwipe could be easily manipulated. In spite of all her flightiness, CQ is the ultimate fangirl and very heroic. It is completely out of character for her to betray any Legionnaire.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by EmeraldEmperor: After rereading this a couple of times, it seems pretty obvious that Comet Queen is being controlled mentally.
First, on page 7, panels 1 and 2, the Dominator seems to be messing with Brainy somehow. When I first read this issue, I thought it was a misprint when Brainy says '....an un-natural effect" because it seems to be a continuation of the Dominator's sentence.
Second, on the following page, panels 3-5, Otaki seems to be affected by probing this same dominators mind, with Mwindaji warning her not to get lost in its mind.
Third, later when Otaki confronts this same dominator, she collapses and he states "Out wills are stronger than your..."
Then, on the following page, the Dominator and Brainiac struggle, and it seems to be as much a mental battle as a physical one with Brainy prevailing until Comet Queen takes Brainy out. Notice CQ says this is a present from someone "who really, really didn't like you." It seems she may not be referring to herself. As Nura slaps her, CQ says only "told me."
Based on all this, I would say this Dominator has some kind of mental powers, and someone who is still suffering from a mindwipe could be easily manipulated. In spite of all her flightiness, CQ is the ultimate fangirl and very heroic. It is completely out of character for her to betray any Legionnaire.
Very nice analysis.
There are others there with mind powers, besides the Dominators, which maybe really opens up the betrayal?
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