Just to expand on this a bit. I just find this whole set of subplots ridiculous. That Yera's been a spy all this time, even after the first revelation. That the marriage to Colossal Boy was faked (and that the guy who hired her to spy on the Legion isn't familiar enough with them to remember his name?). Even allowing all of that, which is a huge stretch, the whole sequence of events to get her to this point is just flat out ridiculous to say it was planned all along. Add to that the fact that there's ANOTHER double agent on the team somewhere is just malarky.
Now I know Chameleon Girl isn't a fan favourite or anything, but she's a character with an established history and at least some characterisation. It seems like another unnecessary change without any worthwhile payoff that's been the hallmark of the DCnU. I was hoping the Legion would be somewhat insulated from this, but obviously not.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
quote:Originally posted by Dave Hackett: Malarky.
Just to expand on this a bit. I just find this whole set of subplots ridiculous.
You had me at malarky.
I am stubbornly resisting dropping this title, since I have never willingly dropped a Legion title, but this is just crap.
Posted by Power Boy on :
This is so ludicrous. I'm not even reading this book and I am too baffled to even laugh at the absurdity of Chameleon Girl being a spy!
[ October 09, 2012, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: Power Boy ]
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
One thing that I liked most about the Legion was their camaraderie. You know, "We are Legion", "Long Live the Legion" and all that. The idea of there being possibly more than one spy on the team... ugh. Doesn't matter who it is, if it isn't a new member I don't like the idea.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: This is so ludicrous. I'm not even reading this book and I am too baffled to even laugh at the absurdity of Chameleon Girl being a spy!
She'd be a triple agent then.
Posted by jdpinball on :
I dropped this title after the 4th or 5th issue...I'll flip through a new issue at the store each month and I'm always happy that my decision was the right choice. I REALLY hope this book is cancelled soon and it's all explained as some kind of head trip dream t legionnaires are experiencing due to being captured...or something?? And then they can be returned to the 30th century where they can fight the Fatal Five for the first time...oh wait...
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
Just read #13 today, and I have to say the storyline might actually lead to something interesting. I also feel that it will lead to the end of the series within a few issues now that the Science Police have linked up with the lost Legionnaires. At least they now have a ride home! Just not liking the idea of Tyroc dying in the 21st century. We'll have to see what happens.
Posted by Jerry on :
Interesting issue.
Okay, this series has been a train wreck since issue #1. Rumors of its demise are swirling just as I'm starting to get into it. Typical. Dizzying alternate timeline stuff. Traitors, deep covers, and triple crosses! Science police with time bubbles. A troubling gravestone from a thousand years before a hero is born? Okay, Mr. DeFalco, you have my attention.
Posted by Mr. Kayak on :
quote:Originally posted by jdpinball: I REALLY hope this book is cancelled soon
rob liefeld tweeted that it will. we'll probably know if that news is true in the next few days at NYCC.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
What if they were ALL traitors!! Secret agents for the Khunds, the Dominators, Darkseid, The U.P. ... Now THERE is a story that's not been done.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
^^A bit like that Get Smart episode where Max infiltrates the KAOS cell, only to find it's entirely composed of infiltrators from the CIA, FBI, etc.?
Posted by Blacula on :
/off-topic/ ^ They've started airing Get Smart on a channel here in Australia again and it's a show I have not seen in about 20 years but OH MY GOD IS IT FUNNY!!!!
Mel Brooks is usually very hit or miss with me but this show has me chuckling or laughing out loud every two minutes! And I don't think I even used to really like it all that much when I was young.
Posted by jdpinball on :
Having read the issue, my above criticism of these plot points stand. The issue did have some interesting points to offer (Wildfire finally seemed in character, Gates is a little better), but the sudden creation of the Timber Wolf subplot out of nowhere and the cheesy over-the-top villain helped drag it down a little in my opinion.
Posted by Power Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: /off-topic/ ^ They've started airing Get Smart on a channel here in Australia again and it's a show I have not seen in about 20 years but OH MY GOD IS IT FUNNY!!!!
Mel Brooks is usually very hit or miss with me but this show has me chuckling or laughing out loud every two minutes! And I don't think I even used to really like it all that much when I was young.
I still want a cone of silence. after all these years.
Posted by EmeraldEmperor on :
Terrible villain ( a rip-off of Galactus' heralds?) but this issue did contain some interesting stuff. Yera a double agent? It's a stretch, but she's always been more interesting than her (ex)husband, so why not? And traitors are nothing new in the Legion, so I'll go with it.
And I've really grown to love Pete Woods' stuff. Yeah, this title is going to get cancelled, but at least we are getting somewhere.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
I love Pete Woods art too. I bet he'd make a great artist for the Legion main title if the spot would open up.
Also, I'm really starting to wonder if Levitz is working behing the scenes with DeFalco on some of these new plot threads, because if true, and if used, they would shake up the main Legion title a bit...secret Echo agents among the Legion, a possible traitor. Interesting plot elements indeed.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I suppose the Comet Queen-as-traitor storyline in the main title may connect into this, but I don't see how.
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
Heeeeey...when they cancel this series can we get The New Wanderers instead?!
*EYES SPARKLE*
Seriously, though. I'm not much for big "traitor" plots in the Legion. The Legion is best, to me, when they're at their cheesiest. Traitors in the midst just makes me want to go Julius Caesar.
Et tu, Brute?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
We haven't had a big "Long Live the Legion" moment in a while, and I do miss those moments.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
I liked it--honestly, I've been enjoying this book since it came out, almost a little more than the regular Legion book.
Echo's purpose and mission...it makes sense that the Science Police would want to have their hand in policing time travel (that kind of cross-agency thing happens with our government agencies all the time) and having someone in the Legion makes sense as well.
I also like that it answers some more of the mysteries that were developed like with Tyroc. I also can't help but wonder if there's something screwy going on with Adym and the Time Bubble, since they've said that time travel to this time is wonky due to the "Flashpoint barrier."
That said, I do feel like the "traitor in the Legion" thing is EXTREMELY old hat at this point, and this cosmic conqueror that Wildfire inadvertently lead to Earth is kinda bland (though the talking dragon does help).
Oh, and to Dan Hackett and some of the things he points to as flaws: Vera calls the guy out on not knowing Gim's name. "As if you forget anything."
And if by the Timber Wolf subplot, you mean him knowing the head of Echo that gets to their timeline--while it's still pretty recent, we did see him in the Timber Wolf origin that we got in LL #0.
Posted by Set on :
The so-called clues as to the deaths are beyond thin.
A cracked faceplate means that Wildfire dies in the 21st century? Does this Adym dude know that Wildfire has *already* lost one containment suit in this time period, hence his currently wearing a white one provided by Harvest?
And a tombstone means that Tyroc died? No. It just means that someone *thought* that he died, and made a tombstone for him. And the people who made the tombstone for him, choke, gasp, *never saw him again.* (Which is totally consistent with him going back to the future and never seeing these people in his ancient past again.)
So lame.
In the 70s, this reveal would have been on the cover, with Dreamy predicting that someone was going to die, and in the comic we discover that it just *looked* like they died (or a robot duplicate died, or an evil impersonator died, or it was a deliberate deception). Now, forty years later, this sort of attention-grabbing cover-gimmick is being played straight as an actual year long plotline by (IMO) lesser writers.
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: We haven't had a big "Long Live the Legion" moment in a while, and I do miss those moments.
Those are, without doubt, my favorite Legion moments. I just read Last Stand of New Krypton and when Brainy says it I just sort of squee happily.
Posted by Power Boy on :
did you just use the word "squee" ... How long have you been lurking?
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: did you just use the word "squee" ... How long have you been lurking?
Oh dearest. I may have been lurking here the last month, but i've been a fangirl for YEEEEEARRRRSSS. I squee often and without shame. XD
Posted by Power Boy on :
You'll fit right in!
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I think "Squee" deserves its own thread! Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I read the issue yesterday, and I have a more favorable opinion of it.
Not going to condemn the Tyroc tombstone and Wildfire faceplate yet, since it's rather silly to assume they WILL die, as Set said above.
Thank goodness Gates' scars were finally referenced. So Gates anticipates meeting his past self, perhaps, and hopes to spare his past self from receiving said scars? Eh? It's been so many issues since he first disappeared and was thought dead.
Wonder why Yera was so surpised that Gates would be sent into the past. Was it because she didn't know or trust him yet?
Still dislike the Yera-as-double-agent thing. I wouldn't want there to be a real Legion traitor, but if they can explain it as faulty Echo intelligence then that's fine.
The guy from Echo doesn't impress me at all. What's the point of him either forgetting, or pretending to forget, Gim's name? Was it to see Yera's reaction? And his drawing conclusions about Tyroc's and Wildfire's demises is just silly.
Boo to the upcoming crossover too; if anything it'll probably just delay the resolution of the Legion Lost storyline.
One thing that infuriates me about the new villain? Having ultra-aggressive villains who revel in violence for the sake of violence is so boring AND annoying. Those are the worst one-dimensional villains IMO, and when the Legion gives him the beatdown I will so cheer!
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Boo to the upcoming crossover too; if anything it'll probably just delay the resolution of the Legion Lost storyline.
There's no cross-over at all--Ravagers is doing it's own thing and Superboy is going to be in the middle of it's H'el on Earth crossover. This story is going to purely be in Legion Lost.
Posted by Korbal on :
Even if LL gets cancelled soon, Echo plotlines will continue into the New 52 as Kid Flash and Jocelyn Lure (there can be little doubt that she is an Echo operative) will continue to appear in Teen Titans and Superboy.
It might be amusing if another reason why Troy Stewart was "The Hero Who Hated the Legion" was because that he knew joining their ranks would ultimately lead to his demise.
As for Wildfire--Drake could conceivably survive after losing his suit by spending time in Qward, where it has been established (admittedly during the Threebot ) that his anti-energy could manifest a corporeal body--which would be an interesting twist in his relationship with Dawny...
[ October 15, 2012, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: Korbal ]
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: One thing that infuriates me about the new villain? Having ultra-aggressive villains who revel in violence for the sake of violence is so boring AND annoying. Those are the worst one-dimensional villains IMO, and when the Legion gives him the beatdown I will so cheer!
I don't like that this guy, to be 'established as a badass' killed an entire planet in his introduction. It seems fated to become one of those 'villain badass decay' things, where the bad-guy does something incredibly over-the-top in his first appearance, and then turns out to be a big fat dud, and never manages to be a credible threat again.
Plus I am beyond bored with people kicking Drake's ass. He's a heavy hitter, and it would feel appropriately 'super' for every bad-guy they face to *not* be inexplicably immune to an anti-matter explosion to the face.
What's the point of having awesome superhero powers if every single schmuck that nobody's ever heard of (or likely will ever hear from again) has editorial fiat making them immune to your powers? It's boring, uncreative, repetitive and, did I say, boring? Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Korbal: As for Wildfire--Drake could conceivably survive after losing his suit by spending time in Qward, where it has been established (admittedly during the Threebot ) that his anti-energy could manifest a corporeal body--which would be an interesting twist in his relationship with Dawny...
Well like you said, it was the Threeboot--but back when Nicieza was writing it, I had a feeling that due to the Hypertaxis virus that all of these character's powers would evolve during the course of the story, like what we saw with Timber Wolf, so I think I could see Drake hitting a corner emotionally--that he can be the Drake he was while still accepting that he is no longer human in the traditional sense--and would be able to create a physical form for himself.
Posted by Korbal on :
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