I seem to be at the head of the line here, so I'll leave it to someone else to give stuff away, but I will tease everyone by saying that as many as three beloved characters may not be appearing in this comic book from here on in. Of those three, the most surprising one is the one most likely not to recur, in my opinion (and I am sad about it).
The story is really getting going.
Posted by superboymddjr on :
Matthew - you can still put the spoiler in there with understanding that they will be hidden with a special kind of hypertext...
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
How the heck did you get a copy several days ahead of the usual release date?
Posted by Matthew E on :
Subscription!
Oh, I know I *can* put the spoilers in...
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Mail subscriptions come BEFORE the comic shops get it???
I used to subscribe to comics AGES ago, like in the early 80's. I stopped because my comics came several months after comic shops were getting them...and often a week or two after the newsstand, too.
BTW, I wouldn't be averse to seeing the spoilers either.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Matthew E.
On behalf of my fellow posters I present to you a special honour.
You get the Legion World "Kitson" Merit Badge for successfully advancing excellence in art of teasing.
[ September 26, 2005, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
"Beloved" characters? That leaves Cosmic Boy out... But I've got a bad feeling about this, not from a story-telling standpoint, but afraid they'll deep six the Science Advisor - who hasn't exactly been beloved lately either.
(BTW, Chaim, I've got a subscription too - sometimes it arrives a day before, sometimes a day or two after the official date, occasionally not at all... so I don't know if you're better off with a subscription, unless you don't have easy access to a shop.)
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I think any member that gets a book early is duty-bound to spoil everything!
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[ September 27, 2005, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: I think any member that gets a book early is duty-bound to spoil everything!
Gray background = #2f2f4f, Blue background = #000080
Isn't this just like the Christmas presents on the top shelf of the parent's closet? Everybody knows they're there. Everybody peeks. But it wouldn't be the same if they were just laid on the kitchen table. Posted by Matthew E on :
quote:Mail subscriptions come BEFORE the comic shops get it???
Sometimes they do.
And sometimes they don't come at all. No matter how often you pester DC Comics to send you the comic that you have, after all, already paid for.
I'll be a little clearer about what I posted before - we're talking one or two longtime Legion characters dead or maybe dead, and another one who may or may not exist at all. If you've read the first nine issues, you should have no trouble figuring out who I mean by two out of three of those.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Are we talking Legionnaires or supporting characters potentially dead?
Is the missing person you refer to a certain person involved in the origin tale of the LSH in the other boots?
Posted by legionadventureman on :
Like R. J. Brande, for one?
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
huh? i guess i'm not as smart as i thought i was. i have read the last 9 issues but i don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
The last one he mentions has gotta be RJ. I don't know about the other two. I think I've read the long-timers ask where's RJ a thousand times since this series started.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
I doubt if Marla (oh come on, that's a girl's name..how come the rebooted version hasn't been renamed "Rix" or something more male-gender friendly?) would be of enough importance to be worried about - even if he is/was/will be Legion's Adult Advisor...
[ September 26, 2005, 06:23 PM: Message edited by: legionadventureman ]
Posted by Matthew E on :
No, it's not Brande. I'm talking about characters who are, or have been, Legionnaires, but are not necessarily Legionnaires at the moment.
Posted by LegionFan223 on :
OK Matthew, spill it!!! We have got to know!! NOW!! Pretty please? Are they male or female or both and if so who?
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
He's definitely going for the second level of that LW "Kitson" merit badge. A few more posts like his last 2 posts and Barry himself will have to pin it on him.
Posted by LegionFan223 on :
Yoo hoo!!! Mattie Poo! We are still waiting!! You will never graduate from being an applicant if you keep with holding such high class information from our esteemed leaders....and moi! Posted by legionadventureman on :
Legion Fan - you have a great picture of Jeckie as your icon - where did you find it (other than the Avatar gallery list)?
Posted by legionadventureman on :
Hmmm...beloved by Legion fans in all the previous reboots? I guess that pretty much eliminates Monstress or Thunder Posted by LegionFan223 on :
I found this Jeckie in the Avatar gallery list. I was pleasantly surprised to find such a lovely picture as there are too few of Jeckie. You would think with her being royality and all that she would have tons of pics. This is also my favorite costume for Jeckie.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
ok, you must mean Ferro Lad...and? the first LSH comic Waid read was "The Ghost of Ferro Lad", so it makes sense that his version has Ferro dead already. Who else... XS? Bouncing Boy? Matter-Eater Lad? someone threaten this guy with banishment to the Phantom Zone!!! ps. that Jeckie icon looks like a Grell drawing to me.
Posted by LegionFan223 on :
The Jeckie icon is a Grell.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Okay, okay, cripes, stop pestering me.
1. Brin may be dead. That is his jacket Elysion was wearing, and Elysion says that Brin is dead. Put whatever weight on that you like.
2. There may be no such person as Atom Girl / Shrinking Violet. Karate Kid certainly doesn't think she exists, anyway.
3. By the end of the issue, another Legionnaire looks pretty damn dead. I'm absolutely not going to reveal who it is. I will say it's nobody we considered an obvious candidate for killing off, and I still don't know why he/she was selected for the honour. But I'm not happy about it. The #11 cover, previewed in thumbnail on the preview page at the end, portrays this Legionnaire's inert body, but I can't tell from looking at it whether he/she's really dead or not.
Posted by LegionFan223 on :
You give in too easy Matthew!! Thanks for sharing.... are you sure you don't want to reveal just a tad more info? Just kidding!! I'll wait til Wednesday. Another 40 hours won't kill me. (I hope!) Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Thanks Matthew that was fun, wasn't it?
You fail to reach Kitson levels of teasing proficiency. You only reached the second level known as the "Outdoor Miner".
However GN, LF223, and SBmddjr are awarded with their merit badges for excellence in pestering.
A big hand for everyone who contributed to this edition of "GET THE ADVANCE SPOILER"
Posted by Lobo Gris on :
Brin can´t be dead, he´s in the cover of next issue. And Barry said that there´s a reason for a later debut of Atomgirl.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: and another one who may or may not exist at all.
Oh god! :{ Don't tell me Garth is a Proty in this boot too! What the heck?! Is Imra going psycho Iron butt control freak already and making up people like she did in Legion Lost and in the 20th Century stories?
Posted by disaster boy on :
brin londo does appear to be on the cover of #11.
sans trenchcoat.
Posted by superboymddjr on :
quote:Originally posted by Tamper Lad: Thanks Matthew that was fun, wasn't it?
You fail to reach Kitson levels of teasing proficiency. You only reached the second level known as the "Outdoor Miner".
However GN, LF223, and SBmddjr are awarded with their merit badges for excellence in pestering.
A big hand for everyone who contributed to this edition of "GET THE ADVANCE SPOILER"
*Ka-Ching*!!!! But Elysion may have underestimated Brin's hidden power (healing power), and also we have been pestering and nagging on Barry Kitson about Atom Girl.
I really hope that it's not Invisible Kid who is being in the coffin.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
Barry must be more adept at the teasing game than we thought...is there an Atom Girl or is she just a red herring to pave the way for the return of Shrinking Violet (IMHO that name suits her more than in any revamp, reboot or re-incarnation).
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Thanks Matthew for the information.
But, would it have really killed you to say..."and the character who is apparently dead at the end and on the cover to issue #11 is...
S P O I L E R
S P A C E . . .
(only those who want to know should highlight the folowing text :Name of Legionnaire here!"
I would have done it for you.
[ September 27, 2005, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Seriously, I have a non-spolierish follow up question for Matthew.
Is the flame girl, bluish water guy, and orangish muscle guy of Terror Firma named this issue?
And is the triangle girl from the cover of issue #12 in the issue? If so, who is she? <- this one is spoilerish.
Posted by ferroboy on :
Bets on dead Legionnaires? I'm still thinking it's Ferro Lad. The only difference is that this time around his face is not disfigured and he's been undercover.
[ September 27, 2005, 04:02 AM: Message edited by: ferroboy ]
Posted by Tromium on :
I think we can safely say that Brin and Violet will be seen in the future.
Two down, one to go.
All we know about the "dead" Legionnaire is that his/her apparent death is a "huge event" that will have "massive ramifications". Sounds bloody serious. I wish people wouldn't tease about such things.
Whose silhouette is missing from the cover of issue #13?
Posted by Matthew E on :
Nightcrawler: No, no new names. And the only thing I know about Triangle Girl is that she hates Particle Girl, and if they ever meet, Triangle wins.
And, according to Karate Kid, Atom Girl and Shrinking Violet are the same nonexistent person.
I may have misread the cover to #11. I had to squint. Are we talking about the same cover here? Big close-up of a flight ring, with a reflection in it?
Posted by Vee on :
We've never seen that cover, have we?
Posted by Matthew E on :
I wouldn't have thought so. All I've seen is the little thumbnail in the back of #10. But when disaster boy, upthread, started talking about Brin being on the #11 cover, I began to doubt myself.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
He meant the cover of 12 which we thought was the cover to 11 until this past week.
Posted by disaster boy on :
my bad. that's what i get for not being around.
so brin's on the cover of numero 12 sans trenchcoat.
Posted by Tromium on :
After quaffing a bottle of Pepto Bismol, it occured to me that the "death" might be a Projectra illusion. The solicit for issue #11 is intriguing:
"On the eve of galactic destruction, with the dream of a United Planets dissolving into hopelessness, only an all-out brawl between the Legion and the agents of Terror Firma can halt the coming invasion ‹-provided a key player in the war finds within herself an unexpected power! "
I'm probably jumping the gun, but it's something to hope for.
Posted by Matthew E on :
The circumstances of the death make Projectra's involvement basically impossible.
Posted by Tromium on :
Rats. And I drank all the Pepto, too.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: Nightcrawler: No, no new names. And the only thing I know about Triangle Girl is that she hates Particle Girl, and if they ever meet, Triangle wins.
Darn! I have three smilies waiting to be named.
And is Triangle Girl named Triangle Girl and who is Particle Girl? I want my issue now!!!!! *runs around the room screaming!*
[ September 27, 2005, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Matthew E on :
Sorry, the Triangle Girl thing was a joke.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
AArrggg!!
Will somebody PLEASE scan that thumbnail and post it with all due haste tomorrow? I'm dying of curiosity here!
Knowing my local comic shop guy I won't be able to get my hands on a copy until Thursday...grumble...grumble...whine...
"she" discovers a new power? That gives us Ayla (who hasn't manifested Lightning in this boot), Projectra could become a lot more like Sensor Girl or Imra might learn how to speak out loud...maybe we haven't seen Atom Girl because she doesn't know how to grow large yet?...
Posted by Matthew E on :
I think - and this is not a spoiler - that the 'she' who discovers a new power is Projectra becoming more like Projectra. After all, she was supposed to have no powers at all at the start, 'royal sorceress' or not.
Posted by Tromium on :
The "dead" (?) Legionnaire is DREAM GIRL. All we see at the end is a bloody arm wearing a silver and turquoise bracelet sticking out of the rubble of Legion HQ, which was completely destroyed by Elysion and Lemnos' sleeper agents..
The destruction of HQ and Nura's apparent death happen while most of the other Legionnaires are off-world. We learn the "three worlds" critical to U.P. victory are EARTH, DORMIR and TTRXL. The team splits up into three sub-teams to investigate Dormir, Ttrxl and Terror Firma's homeworld (not named). At the end, when all the HQ technology is destroyed, including the transmatters, the Legionnaires are all stuck on these others worlds, except for Brainy, Lyle and Nura, who remained on Earth.
Projectra does not believe that Brin is dead, and neither do I. She joined the party that goes to Terror Firma's homeworld..
Terror Firma Names: GRON (the big guy Brin was fighting) and KYNDA (fire girl).
I'd reveal more but I gotta get back to work asap.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
whoa! so... Nura could be alive but just got her arm severed in the collapse of the HQ. just kidding. it sounds fishy to me. since when is Nura caught off-guard? WaK went to great pains to demonstrate how her power works. remember when she calmly got up off her laZboy seconds before Gim + Jo crashed thru the ceiling.
is her lifeless body really on the thumbnail of cover #11?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Aaaaccckk!! Lots of action here....the bare bone spoilers follow.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The team returns to HQ from Helegyn with Elysion captured. We learn that Dream Girl's precog is messed up - she only sees one hour into the future from this point, then blackness.
Meanwhile, Cos & Brainy (allies now) address the departing Legion supporters in the Plaza, telling them that there is a draft planned for an unwinnable war, unless they all fight, pre-emptively, together.
Back in HQ, the rest of the team has put Elysion in power-dampers and the Helegyn group recounts the battle.
Saturn Girl "questions" Elysion. He claims Brin is dead - Projectra is uncertain although she points out that Elysion has Brin's coat. Karate Kid breaks the news to Lyle that everyone thinks he was trying to break up the Legion. Lyle is ordered to take Elysion to "the cells" - we learn Legion HQ used to have another purpose (unspecified) - a prison? Secret Police headquarters?
One of the key three planets is Earth - the other two are Dormir and Ttrxl, I guess, since Cos sends teams to those two planets. (Also, Triplicate Girl gets credit for the three planet salvation plan, although Lyle came up with the idea.) A third team goes to Terror FIrma's homeworld (unspecified). Projectra acts like a spunky legionnaire and gets to go along.
Oops!! Lemnos put sleeper agents in the Legion plaza who are suicide bombers. Some of these get into Legion HQ. Panic ensues. Elysion breaks free and all hell breaks loose. Just about the last thing Dream Girl can see before her precog blacks out is that the HQ will collapse and that Lyle will be hurt. Brainy runs to help Lyle, he recovers - then Brainy sees Dream Girl's arm sticking out of the wreckage. Last page, Lyle with tears, saying "We've lost."
But of course they haven't...
The flight ring image for #11: Some guy, I think Brainy holding (I think) Dream Girl. There's a big spot on his forehead on the page where he finds Dreamy, and this spot is on the forehead of the reflection in the ring. Really not clear enough for me to be sure, but it makes sense.
Posted by Sketch Kid on :
Holy terrorist Batman ... talk about suicide bombers ... the Fatal Five couldn't do a better job leveling the LSH HQ ... Great issue with a crypic ending ... hats off the WaK ... we're rolling now ... and after all this time Shrinking Violet is a hoax!?!
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Sketch Kid, huh? Nice name ya got there! Use it well.
I don't have #10 yet, but will comment when I get it.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Poor Dreamy, Poor Brainy.
I guess this could be one of those transformative moments for someone. She's really the only one that's shown him any love in the series. Even his supporters were only respectful allies at best.
I hold out hope, she must have known she was about to die b/c she was crying. Brainy must have figured it out too. After all B5 loves mysteries and he told her, "there is no mystery he can't solve." Maybe the two of them together somehow managed to save her.
That would be the a romantic coming together, wouldn't it? He accepts her power, she accepts that the future in her visions isn't immutable.
[ September 28, 2005, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
BTW did you catch Projectra's superpower on the roll call page?
Made my day...
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Thanks TC! I still have to get my book.
Posted by SiliconDream on :
quote:Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula: whoa! so... Nura could be alive but just got her arm severed in the collapse of the HQ. just kidding. it sounds fishy to me. since when is Nura caught off-guard? WaK went to great pains to demonstrate how her power works. remember when she calmly got up off her laZboy seconds before Gim + Jo crashed thru the ceiling.
Starting earlier in the issue, her precognition could see nothing past a certain point--which turned out to be the moment of her apparent death. I guess that means her power works by transmitting info from future to past selves...no living future self, no power.
Assuming she's actually dead. God, I hope not.
Great issue, though. It's nice to see the Legion acting competent and cooperative and still losing.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
And here is the cover to LSH #11....
S P O I L E R S . . .
(Although if you've gotten this far into the topic you already know so just look!)
[ September 28, 2005, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
The good -
quote:"Helegyn: Due to it's thin atmosphere, its dark side is as cold as its sun-baked half is HOT." -- Encyclopedia Galactica, 3005.
"Sucker." Element Lad later that same year.
The bad -
Dream Girl's death. The last reboot lost me when Apparition was killed. I just stopped caring about it. It helped when she was brought back, but they kept me away by sacrificing Leviathon.
Even the original Legion knew better than keep a Legionnaire dead (Lightning Lad and Duo Damsel anyone?). I hope Mark and Barry repeat the wisdom of the original creators and not the rebooters.
Posted by Tromium on :
I don't think Dreamy's dead - despite the blood-stains on the ring. Brainy will find a way to save her and they'll live grumpily ever after. Their budding relationship is just too good to cut short.
So, according to Elysion, Lemnos' sleeper agents blow themselves up to pay tribute to their *GOD*. Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I don't think she's dead either. I just reread Barry's teases in various threads. I think Dreamy is one of the silohuettes on the issue 13 cover albeit with a slightly modified appearance.
'Kay this discussion stops here, we wouldn't want DC upset that someone on the internet had deciphered a Legion Plot, and then hastily construct a scenario where someone goes berserk and traps half the team in the 21st century right?
[ September 28, 2005, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by SiliconDream: Starting earlier in the issue, her precognition could see nothing past a certain point--which turned out to be the moment of her apparent death. I guess that means her power works by transmitting info from future to past selves...no living future self, no power.
The problem with this is that Nura's already seen things that take place past this point in time. Even if one take the "when we're married" stuff as a joke, she's seen the first major battle of the war, in which the Naltorian army is devastated.
[ September 28, 2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
Posted by KidChaos on :
But wouldn't that mean that ALL Naltorians are more or less born knowing the moment they will die: the point at which their pre-cog "goes blank"?
[ September 28, 2005, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: KidChaos ]
Posted by Vee on :
Agreed
I would guess that her power is unable to see any further because the future is very uncertain at this crisis point. The future is in flux. Perhaps the actions of the Legionnaires have caused this...or something which we have yet to see; maybe there is a tie in with Infinite Crisis (after all, we have been "lied" to before ); maybe Shikari's arrival has just occured and that added ingredient throws everything out of "WaK". Whatever it is, something has changed and she will be "blind" until this moment of crisis passes.
Wouldn't it be fun if, when all is said and done, the Legion rebuilds HQ as a rocketship but PAINTS it yellow and red to make it different (another act of rebellion against the staid & sterile practices of 31st Century mores)
Posted by Vee on :
One other thought.
The deification of Lemnos in this issue really bothered me, perhaps because it reminds of Valor. I really don't want Lemnos to turn out to be Mon at this point. "My" Mon could never be responsible for organizing or ordering the destruction of worlds and the suicide bombings we have witnessed.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I can't imagine Lemnos turning out to be Mon at this point, but I can't help but think the parallels are intentional.
There's a lot to speculate on this issue. Any guesses as to what the Legion HQ was before the Legionnaires took it over?
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
I'm glad to see some folks so optimistic about Dream Girl. I can't say that I am, even as much as I want to hope she's not dead.
Some other points: A scene with Lemnos' army has Dawnstar-ish wings and a Wildfire-ish figure in the background.
Interlac is used at least three times.
Brainy's forcefield is explained as more limited than any previous version he's had.
Posted by Lobo Gris on :
I hope that she´s not dead but i see reasons to kill Dreamgirl: It´s hard to write a precog right in the long term. But if she´s really dead then that means that a flight ring is available, ergo a new member could join. Any guesses?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Tamper Lad: BTW did you catch Projectra's superpower on the roll call page?
She is the female Lester Spiffany after all!
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: I There's a lot to speculate on this issue. Any guesses as to what the Legion HQ was before the Legionnaires took it over?
The cell where Elysion was taken by IK looked like a holding room at a jail where prisoners are allowed to talk to their lawyers etc. Big wide plaza around it so the a good long look can be taken at people coming and going (in the days before the public service of course). It also look a little rundown, so it's old. Looks like an old Metropolis county jail to me.
Waid's been hinting about death so much. I think Elysion is gonna sack UP HQ. Delegate Ardeen looks to be in some trouble. Could we have seen the last Saturn Mom - Daughter conversation end in a fight that Imra will regret, last issue?
Posted by Tromium on :
Question. Saturn Girl says she got "all the informaton I need" from Elysion's mind before leaving for Ttryxl. So why didn't she know about the sleeper agents in Legion Plaza??
Maybe Elysion's psi-shielding *did* inhibit her powers, or maybe she just forgot to tell anyone. Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Whoa! Good catch! I wonder if Mark has an explaination for that.
[ September 28, 2005, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
My goodness, this whole galactic war orchestrated so Saturn Girl could commit the act of matricide? Galactic scale genocide, the burning of whole planets just because mom wouldn't let Imra go out with Garth on a school night 3 years ago? That would be worthy of hussy Valhalla.
Pretty slanderous innuendo Tromium, you don't want the Saturn Girl Apologist thread reactivated, do ya? Posted by superboymddjr on :
ah....I knew something s wrong with the cover of #13 when I kept asking Barry in the thread "cover #13" and Barry was unresponsive about her being missing from the cover. I asked him at least twice...I knew it! I hope that she is not dead as because she is unique in the whole DC universe - the only one who can predict the future - who else? Marvel killed its' main foreseer - Destiny - now DC's turn to kill off the main foreseer - Dream Girl - Hope not!! Barry _ I demand you no longer tease us about Dream Girl's status now...or else!
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Superboymddjr what you suggested in your query to BK is what I see too. He also said something about *spoiler* A character going bald as part of the story. (I'll ask what a surgeon needs to do to treat a head injury?) *spoiler* in yet another thread. Put the two together, fingers crossed...
BARRY, if/when you read this post I'll let you tease me. But you are not allowed to say anything to the effect of "you'll find out when you read 11, 12, and 13."
[ September 28, 2005, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
Posted by superboymddjr on :
*gasp* a _____ Dream Girl? something to remind me from the original Star Trek moive you know the female one I could not remember her name - Ilyia or something like that...is that her name? *snapping fingers* what's her name? the female one that Commander fell in love and went with her to the planet where the "Voyger" was crashed in and found...know who I am talking about?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Whew! I'm feeling more optimistic now.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
hey isn't this the first we've seen Brainy use his force field? he didn't use it when they fought Lemnos.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by superboymddjr: *gasp* a _____ Dream Girl? something to remind me from the original Star Trek moive you know the female one I could not remember her name - Ilyia or something like that...is that her name? *snapping fingers* what's her name? the female one that Commander fell in love and went with her to the planet where the "Voyger" was crashed in and found...know who I am talking about?
Supes, the name you are grasping for is "Ilia" and her falling for that hunky Decker is a confirmation that Deltans have excellent taste in men Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
Gee golly, fellas! Give a guy a break whydon'tcha? I mean, the books only been out half a day, I come here expacting to start a lively debate, and you're 79 posts into the thread already. Posted by legionadventureman on :
I havent read any of the current Legion - and i'm not worried Posted by Yellow Kid on :
I have another thought about Nura's power 'blanking out', maybe the Naltorian ability to see the future is strictly limited to events inside the ordinary DCU (in other words, their home universe). If she were to travel to this other dimensional homeworld maybe she can't see past the present.
Or perhaps the plot calls for her to be unconcious or in a coma for several days which would definitely cramp her style.
Vee postulated that maybe "the future is in flux" and with an Infinite crisis, dimension hopping and possible worlds being created and/or destroyed perhaps NO Naltorian can see anything more than anyone else currently.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Portfolio Boy: Gee golly, fellas! Give a guy a break whydon'tcha? I mean, the books only been out half a day, I come here expacting to start a lively debate, and you're 79 posts into the thread already.
heh- imagine my surprise LAST NIGHT when I checked and the thread already had 33 posts before midnight my time? Blame Mathew E, he started it.
Oh and thankyouthankyouthankyou extremely for posting that thumbnail of the preview for the next cover NC. You da man!
Now that we've started "speculating" about it can we get Barry to link us up to the real thing, ya think?
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: One other thought.
The deification of Lemnos in this issue really bothered me, perhaps because it reminds of Valor. I really don't want Lemnos to turn out to be Mon at this point. "My" Mon could never be responsible for organizing or ordering the destruction of worlds and the suicide bombings we have witnessed.
Dev-Em, on the other hand...
Posted by Mediocre Boy on :
Did anybody else notice that Brainiac-5's supporters have adopted a new variation of the Legion's "L" symbol. That was a nice touch on Barry's part.
In fact, the art was fantastic overall, and I noticed that he seemed to make a conscious effort to depict some of the Legionnaires in a very youthful fashion, such as Dream Girl and Invisible Kid. Better still, Karate Kid is now clearly being drawn as a no-doubts-about-it Asian, instead of just somebody who may or may not have a bit of Asian blood in him. Diversity is great, don't you think?
One nit-picky thing, though: when Saturn Girl was in Elysion's mind, why didn't she confirm Brin's status? Just wondering.
Oh, sorry, one final observation: it really gave me chills when Brainy and Cos shook hands and swore to be allies. This is a sad reality, indeed, when two heroes who are meant to be comrades are so at odds that they must openly assert that they are now willing to be mere allies; in the old days, this was a bare-minimum given.
[ September 28, 2005, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Mediocre Boy ]
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Brain injury is the simplest/best answer to her power loss.
As for Brainy, he was such a teddy bear in this issue. Where was constipated B5? It's very reminiscient of how B5 has always acted around Kara or Laurel. He was head over heels in love as of this issue. Could Waid be so cruel to him? His character always seems to suffer in love.
I have a question. When Dreamy reached around his waist in trying to activate the force field, was she trying to save a) him or b)herself out of fear?
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: Question. Saturn Girl says she got "all the informaton I need" from Elysion's mind before leaving for Ttryxl. So why didn't she know about the sleeper agents in Legion Plaza??
Well, she didn't know she needed that information, of course. She went in with specific questions and found the answers the wanted. It simply didn't occur to her to root around for anything else.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by Tamper Lad: It's very reminiscient of how B5 has always acted around Kara or Laurel. He was head over heels in love as of this issue. Could Waid be so cruel to him? His character always seems to suffer in love.
Maybe the feelings Querl has for the women you refer to, TL, stems from the fact that Brainiac 4 (in the previous timeline) was incapable of giving him the love he craved, so his fondness for blondes is a confusing hodge-podge of memory, loss, and a tiny little trace of obsession... Posted by Lightning Lad on :
"THE MAN IS HERE"
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
"HELP! WHAT HAPPENED!"
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
"HOLY seven HELLs. THIS IS THE END!"
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
"who?"
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Fat Cramer: ...Lyle is ordered to take Elysion to "the cells" - we learn Legion HQ used to have another purpose (unspecified) - a prison? Secret Police headquarters?
Takron-Galtos?
Posted by 235 - Andy S on :
how unforseen.
Posted by disaster boy on :
darn. i was hoping it was invisible kid.
mannnnnnn i'm bummed.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Hmm. IF Nura is indeed dead, you can elevate my Legion-ennui to full-blown "over it" status, meaning, I'll SO be done with it. I'll drop the Legion for the first time ever.
Posted by disaster boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: And here is the cover to LSH #11....
S P O I L E R S . . .
(Although if you've gotten this far into the topic you already know so just look!)
is that cham in the back or is it not worth speculating. also, did anyone else notice the coloring faux pas on page 8, first panel...star boy (i assume) is colored like brainy but brainy is in the same panel.
i loved it when saturn girl put the smack down on elyssion but...apparently she didn't. i thought the legion was finally going to get it together and stop being clumsy fools.
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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Yeah i saw that, I was like wait a minute that's not B5...
That's Brainy holding her. The figure looks green in the thumbnail. Doesn't come through as green on the scan.
She's not dead. He's gonna save her.
Posted by disaster boy on :
ah thanks TL.
Posted by SiliconDream on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
quote:Originally posted by SiliconDream: Starting earlier in the issue, her precognition could see nothing past a certain point--which turned out to be the moment of her apparent death. I guess that means her power works by transmitting info from future to past selves...no living future self, no power.
The problem with this is that Nura's already seen things that take place past this point in time. Even if one take the "when we're married" stuff as a joke, she's seen the first major battle of the war, in which the Naltorian army is devastated.
True that. Unless, I dunno, Naltor's being invaded right now...
But if her power block isn't a consequence of death, why would the timing be so good? Brain injury could explain it, that's true...or maybe her power was blocked externally at that moment so that she could be blindsided? She's one of the biggest threats to Lemnos, after all, being able to bypass his powers to some degree.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Just a little clearer image.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
what a harrowing issue. it was great to see the Legion on the run trying to keep the universe together and using strategy and teamwork.
Nura's always been depicted as calm, collected and on top of things. It hurt to see her so flustered and worried but still brave and selfless. i thought Barry did a good job of giving the two platinum haired babes different looks. i was never confused.
i found the "traitor" conversation between Karate Kid and Invisible Kid a little odd. why order Cos away, then not give IK a chance to defend himself? ...because it would have cleared up the misunderstandings before Waid wanted it to? there is some clue here. it goes back to how Lemnos knew what was going on back on earth in Brainy's lab while battling the LSH on Colu. what is the secret of Lemnos' omniscience? watching all from the Phantom Zone? or the 5th Dimension? i question Cos' choice for teams. Terror Firma's homeworld (why is it unnamed?) will be the most dangerous he says, so he sends a team with no energy wielders or long-range powers, but only hand to hand combat. and then let's the unpowered Princess go with that team with no weapons. COME ON.
i noticed there was no follow thru as to why Brainy did not want Lightning Lad to go on the mission last ish. another clue? personal politics?
Posted by Gay Green Giant on :
Giant squids and little fishies!
Thank you so much for that new scan LL. I thought Dream Girl had lost her left arm in that other scan, especially after that comment someone made about her arm sticking up in the rubble.
I still can't make out who that is holding her though. In the other scan I was pretty sure it was Chameleon but now I'm not sure at all.
Maybe tomorrow after I get MY copy I'll have an informed guess...I can only hope.
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
It looks like a bald Brainy. Hmmm? What did Barry said about someone shaving their head?
Regarding Dream Girl's death? I'm not her biggest fan and out of all the possibilities there are others i'd rather see safe. But I don't care for any members death.
Still I see this maybe not as a death but a possible transformation for Dreamy. She might come back as something else. Either way I have to see it is interesting.
Posted by disaster boy on :
GAY GREEN GIANT RETURNS!!!! wooo hooo i missed your fabulous butt.
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Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Hi Guys Well I guess we've given you something to talk about!
I did ask Steve about revealing the cover scans, but he's asked me to hang fire on that a little longer. He does say 'Hi' though!
Sorry, but I'm not going to give any answers as to what happens next - I will quit teasing though if you'd prefer? There's so much planned for the next six issues that it's going to be hard for me to answer any speculations about what's ahead without spoiling the ride - and I'd hate to do that as I think we're really hitting our stride now. Sorry.
Thanks about the art Mediocre Boy! Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Please keep teasing! It's part of the fun seeing how completely far off we are!
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Hi Nightcrawler - I'll start keeping count of the votes - I guess that's one each so far "to tease or not to tease..."
Hope you managed to enjoy the issue despite the turn things took at the end.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Well, if you are going to end things the way you guys did, at least you set the stage up in style. It helped make the necessary impact of the moment feel real rather than many of the casual death scenes that are en vogue nowadays.
And I'm still holding out hope! Posted by Fat Cramer on :
By Gragalog! I hope she's not dead, too. The scenes between Dreamy & Brainy were very touching, even more so in the light of what happened. Did she catch on at the very end - when she heard Brainy say "humerus", did she realize the blackness would be her own personal one? Or maybe she saw her fate before. There will be some interesting thoughts about the nature of her powers and whether she sees a fixed, absolute future or only one possible/probable outcome.
A continuing mystery is "who told Brainy about the break-in?" Lyle keeps denying it - yet everyone seems to believe it has to be him. Why don't they just ask Brainiac 5 how he knew? Or get Saturn Girl to scan him? I don't believe Lyle is dissembling here and guess it could have been: - Chameleon, in another fumbling attempt to fix things, - Triplicate Girl, whose behaviour so far has been questionable, - or some game Lemnos is playing. He suggested to Brainy that this subterfuge was going on when confronted on Colu.
Those two new planets are certainly exotic-looking! I'm looking forward to see what the native inhabitants might look like.
Elysion certainly fulfilled the role of a mad super-villain. He even looks a little crazy in this issue. I really got a sense of panic and disaster from this issue. Maybe the scenes are building on our memories of the World Trade Towers disaster, but the destruction of the HQ seemed much more real and horrifying to me than previous comic-book cataclysms.
This ends with a real cliff-hanger - not just Nura, but the whole mess. How are they going to fix this one?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
And I wonder if Dormir is derived from the Spanish meaning of "sleeping." Is it a dreamlike world?
And Ttrxl? Triple extra large?
I'm assuming that Terror Firma's homeworld is in the 5th Dimension.
Posted by Vee on :
Barry, don't you dare stop teasing us!
Next to seeing your awesome artwork, that's one of the things I most enjoy about having you involved with the Legion!
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: And I wonder if Dormir is derived from the Spanish meaning of "sleeping." Is it a dreamlike world?
And Ttrxl? Triple extra large?
I'm assuming that Terror Firma's homeworld is in the 5th Dimension.
I thought the same thing about Dormir, Gary. Of course that means it could be the homeworld of the newest Legionaire, Slumber Lass! Posted by superboymddjr on :
If I recall my French skills correctly, dormir is also a french word meaning to sleep. If someone who is fluent in French or Spanish, the corrections are welcome! (Hey, Pariscub, you hear? you're the expert in french!)
Posted by superboymddjr on :
Barry - you can keep teasing us about others...that's fine with me...BUT ....NOT about the fate of Dream Girl! I am serious about her. I asked you about her missing from cover #12. You're elusive, clever....(you can tell I certainly like Dream Girl a lot....) So spill it, please?
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
That's right dormir is too sleep.
If you looked at the 3 little panels of the subteams on location a couple of the worlds did look a little more than 3D. So dreams makes sense.
Ttrxl follows the silver age convention of higher dimensions not using vowels. Bgztl for example.
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula: i question Cos' choice for teams. Terror Firma's homeworld (why is it unnamed?) will be the most dangerous he says, so he sends a team with no energy wielders or long-range powers, but only hand to hand combat. and then let's the unpowered Princess go with that team with no weapons. COME ON.
If it's primarily an espionage mission then Phantom Girl and Triplicate Girl, as members of Cos's stealth squad, make some sense, though Cham might have been a better choice than TG in that case. Jo's ultra-vision counts as a long-range energy power, I suppose. But I didn't understand Jo's wisecrack about "the lack of raw power" on his team. If Karate Kid can toss a 50-ton giant, Jo had little reason to complain about a raw power deficit ... unless he was just dissing Val.
Projectra's inclusion, I dare say, will turn out to be a fateful choice.
Cos was also consistent in pairing Shadow Lass with Sun Boy on Ttrxl, though we've yet to find out how those two powers compliment each other. Maybe next issue. Interestingly, the other pair of opposite numbers - Star Boy and Light Lass - are together on Dormir.
quote:i noticed there was no follow thru as to why Brainy did not want Lightning Lad to go on the mission last ish. another clue? personal politics?
For that matter, why did Brainy exclude Karate Kid?
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Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by Tamper Lad: Ttrxl follows the silver age convention of higher dimensions not using vowels. Bgztl for example.
And for naming a fifth dimensional imp "Myxzptlk"
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
The thing that really bothers me if Dream Girl's death is genuine is that it follows the disturbing trend of Legion women dying standing around while the guys always get to make big, dramatic, heroic sacrifices.
Luornu Death 1-- Computo grabs one of her bodies and kills it Luornu Death 2-- The Conspirators are standing their facing the Time Trapper, and he blasts one of her bodies Apparition-- She's kissing her boyfriend, and gets blasted by a Daxamite Monstress-- She's talking to Element Lad and he goes psycho and deletes her
Meanwhile, almost all of the males who've died get big dramatic death scenes where they choose to make a huge sacrifice or risk themselves to save others.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
I don't think you can dismiss the possiblity that Dream Girl realized what was likely to happen but chose to go on helping the kids on the plaza anyway.
Posted by Tromium on :
Is it possible that Atom Girl was at HQ when it was destroyed and will somehow help save Nura's life? Now, THAT would be a dramatic debut.
Just a thought.
Barry, I also vote that you keep up your expert teasing. Posted by Lightning Lad on :
I think Nura knew what was going to happen and when. That's why she sent Brainy to help Lyle, to put him out of harm's way.
Posted by Gay Green Giant on :
quote:Originally posted by disaster boy: GAY GREEN GIANT RETURNS!!!! wooo hooo i missed your fabulous butt.
Faboo ondeed.
Tease me Barry! Legionnaires are so cute when they're confused.
Posted by Lad Boy on :
Tease me til I beg for mercy.
(intended primarily for Barry, but others are, of course, welcome.)
Posted by Matthew E on :
As far as I'm concerned the simplest possibility for how Brainy knew about the break-in is that he figured it out himself:
a) he is, after all, supposed to be fairly smart b) I wouldn't put it past him to have set up some kind of security/surveillance system for just this sort of occasion
Either way, I believe Invisible Kid when he says he didn't do it.
Posted by Insouciant Lad on :
For all those who complained that things were moving too slowly and that there wasn't enough action.....
I HOPE YOU'RE SATISFIED!
Sob! Nura! Wake up Nura honey!
Posted by Harbinger on :
I thoroughly enjoyed this issue - loads of drama, twistsand turns, character moments and the best art so far! I also hope Nura will be okay, but as much as I adore her I also realise that keeping dead heroes dead is a necessary evil if we want the issue to have any value.
Posted by Insouciant Lad on :
You're right Harbinger, it was a great issue and had it all (except resolution.) Despite my little rant above, and hope that she is okay, I'll probably be more impressed if she is really dead. The story has a lot more of an emotional punch that way.
I was also really impressed with the twist on the something sounding humerous bit as well. I truly was expecting a snarky little line from B5 and when there was nothing funny about it, it was a real sick feeling. Coupled with the fact that I confused the somewhat spoilered approaching death happening in issue #11 not in issue #10, the hand in the rubble really surprised me. Shocked even.
Posted by Rurouni KJS on :
She's NOT DEAD. I have zero evidence or even a gut feeling. I'm just in denial. I really HATE character deaths in comics; it's a total waste.
Posted by Juan on :
I don't think she's dead, either. Very injured, yes, but not dead.
What a wonderful issue! Thanks, Barry. And one more vote here for teasing...
I can't wait for Projectra to kick some butt (next issue?). And I think we're close to the debut of the fourth Legionnaire left on Earth, Shrinking Violet. I wonder what she'll get to do...
Can't wait for next issue.
Juan
PS. Yes, "dormir" means "to sleep" in both French and Spanish.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
This issue really solidified Elysion's role as a major Legion villain, actually far more interesting than Lemnos at this point. I'm actually hoping now that they aren't setting him up for death, as he's one of the first really good Legion villains to be introduced in a long, long time.
Posted by The Man From Cargg on :
quote:Originally posted by disaster boy:
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: And here is the cover to LSH #11....
S P O I L E R S . . .
(Although if you've gotten this far into the topic you already know so just look!)
is that cham in the back or is it not worth speculating. also, did anyone else notice the coloring faux pas on page 8, first panel...star boy (i assume) is colored like brainy but brainy is in the same panel.
i loved it when saturn girl put the smack down on elyssion but...apparently she didn't. i thought the legion was finally going to get it together and stop being clumsy fools.
These coloring errors are really starting to bug me. First the Sun Boy/U Boy mix up last month. And now Star Boy/Brainy. It really makes it difficult to suspend disbelief and buy into these characters when these mistakes are made. It just throws me right out of the head space...oh yeah...this is a comic...nothing is real...it's all made up...Star Boy doesn't really exist. Or maybe Brainy has some Cargg blood in him and can duplicate himself. Duo Dude anyone?
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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
I love the look of this book. Each month Barry does some of the best work being done at DC. I'm eager to see the big push DC gives it when IC has settled.
Waid has done a great job with all of these kids, I can't really pick one I prefer. Sure, Cosmic Boy seems to be the most stable, but you have to appreciate UB's overconfidence, or Lyle's insecurities.
And manoman is Projectra gonna make a serious mess of somebody!
Posted by Vee on :
I saw the Brainy doplegangers as well but I can understand how the error could have occured. In BW I would assume that both Thom and Querl would appear shaded, much darker that any of the other guys with the exception of Val perhaps and both have what amounts to buzz cuts. I can certainly see how the error could have happened.
Not that it shouldn't have been caught during the proofing process mind you (I assume there is one after colors are applied) but I can easily see this mistake being made.
Posted by Vee on :
In this issue Jeckie reminded me of the preboot Jeckie during Magic Wars after Val had died. I wouldn't want to be in her sights right now. Posted by CJ Taylor on :
I love the look of this book. Each month Barry does some of the best work being done at DC. I'm eager to see the big push DC gives it when IC has settled.
Waid has done a great job with all of these kids, I can't really pick one I prefer. Sure, Cosmic Boy seems to be the most stable, but you have to appreciate UB's overconfidence, or Lyle's insecurities.
And manoman is Projectra gonna make a serious mess of somebody!
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: I saw the Brainy doplegangers as well but I can understand how the error could have occured. In BW I would assume that both Thom and Querl would appear shaded, much darker that any of the other guys with the exception of Val perhaps and both have what amounts to buzz cuts. I can certainly see how the error could have happened.
Not that it shouldn't have been caught during the proofing process mind you (I assume there is one after colors are applied) but I can easily see this mistake being made.
Yeah, I don't so much blame this on the colorist ( Snocone) but on the editor. Sorry Mr. Wacker but shouldn't your duties included proofing the colors before the final print?
Posted by disaster boy on :
i can see how coloring mistakes can get made, especially by a colorist removed from the drawing of characters but,....nobody thought, "oh wait didnt i already color brainy in this panel?" Posted by disaster boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: In this issue Jeckie reminded me of the preboot Jeckie during Magic Wars after Val had died. I wouldn't want to be in her sights right now.
jeckie casually walking up to lemnos and snapping his kneck would be awesome!
Posted by knowjack on :
Wow. Talk about a slow buildup to a big pay-off. That was a great issue. Felt like a LEGION story, you know?
That said, if Dreamy is dead, I'm probably going to have to quit. It was bad enough back when she was made into an overweight tramp..and then rebooted into a ditz in the last Legion version. For one of the most popular members, she sure hasn't gotten much respect..until this reboot. She's been kicking butt, and has so far been the most interesting female Legionnaire. So hey, let's kill her!
Still great art and a great issue. But don't be dead Dreamy!
Posted by mechana on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: I saw the Brainy doplegangers as well but I can understand how the error could have occured. In BW I would assume that both Thom and Querl would appear shaded, much darker that any of the other guys with the exception of Val perhaps and both have what amounts to buzz cuts. I can certainly see how the error could have happened.
Not that it shouldn't have been caught during the proofing process mind you (I assume there is one after colors are applied) but I can easily see this mistake being made.
Arrgghh! I hate making mistakes--so frustrating! The funny thing about this one is that I actually caught it myself (unless I did it more than once !?) and fixed it. I don't know what went wrong after that; either I forgot to update the file for DC or they didn't notice that I did. Who knows now. In everyone's defense, we are often working right down to the wire before the book goes to print. I can't speak for the staff at DC, but I know I usually don't sleep for a couple of days before deadline.
[ September 29, 2005, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: mechana ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: I think Nura knew what was going to happen and when. That's why she sent Brainy to help Lyle, to put him out of harm's way.
That's the way I read that scene as well. But what bothers me is that, while she sends Brainy to safety, she doesn't seem to do anything for the half dozen or so legionnaires surrounding her. She probably does effectively save Lyle by sending Brainy to him, which is good, but the whole scene still bothers me. If she knew what was going to happen and was trying to change it, for example if she'd foreseen Brainy being killed but managed to prevent it by sacrificing herself, I'd feel a lot better about it. But the fact is she is basically killed by a falling building, and just because she knew that is was likely she would be killed and didn't try to avoid the danger doesn't strike me as more fatalistic than heroic.
Posted by Harbinger on :
But remember in issue 2 EDE it was shown that Naltori totally buy into their predictions, who know, maybe she saw herself sending Brainy off to save Lyle.
Also, the 'say something humourous' (spelt correctly ) line left a sick feeling in my stomach too, at that point I did a double take and thought "uh oh!"
Even with my fave legionnaire apparently dying this is a five star issue.
Posted by googoomuck on :
I don't think that Dream Girl is dead. When Jim Shooter killed Ferro Lad deaths were rare in comic books. Unfortunately I think it's become all too commonplace now. How many were killed in the previous series? Leviathan, Montress, Element Lad, Live Wire, (although some combination of the 2 of them came back) and (not sure about this) Kid Quantum I? Maybe that's part of the reason sales were down.
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Posted by Yellow Kid on :
Weren't there supposed to be 18 active "Core group" Legionnaires? I count 15 0n the last page and two more on the previous page. Who's missing? Brin? He's not a Legionnaire.
Only three Lagionnaires that we know are on Earth and none of them are bald.
Barry said something about Atom Girl/Violet making some kind of huge entrance so maybe that's our mystery figure in the reflection?
That thought doesn't include the possibility that the person holding Dreamy may not be a "Core Group" Legionnaire or may not even be a Legionnaire at all! That idea ocurred to me when Lyle's father showed up for an on-panel appearance. Maybe this could be the event that gets the SPs on the right side?
Posted by SiliconDream on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Monstress-- She's talking to Element Lad and he goes psycho and deletes her
I thought Monstress' death was pretty heroic, myself. She was trying to talk down a deity with genocidal tendencies, and she just made a slip. She certainly knew the danger she was putting herself in by trying to feel Jan out.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Harbinger, we must practise proper spelling and earn our place in the halls of valour.
Nura's death was heroic because she knew was coming and had a choice. She could have cheated doom by staying with B5. Spending all that time with him (off-panel too?), he might put doubts in her mind about the fixed nature of destiny. Just as B5 learned to accept her power.
She could have stayed with him the whole time, wrapped her arms around him and activated the shield. I think Nura wavered for a moment and she tried to do this in his lab but he stopped her. She then got her courage back and worked to help the kids. There was one final choice to make B5 save lyle and not her.
If B5 was given the choice who to save given recent events, I'm sure he chooses her.
Posted by CJ Taylor on :
Does Dream Girl see different versions of the future- I mean more than one possible outcome?
She told Brainy she didn't see anything after he says something humourous (humerus.) Brainy said that when he examined Lyle, ergo she had to have seen him saving Lyle. If that were the case, then she couldn't see his death, so she wasn't trying to prevent it.
More likely, she couldn't see past her own demise, but didn't see her death. Odd she wouldn't see that coming...
Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by knowjack: Wow. Talk about a slow buildup to a big pay-off. That was a great issue. Felt like a LEGION story, you know?
That said, if Dreamy is dead, I'm probably going to have to quit. It was bad enough back when she was made into an overweight tramp..and then rebooted into a ditz in the last Legion version. For one of the most popular members, she sure hasn't gotten much respect..until this reboot. She's been kicking butt, and has so far been the most interesting female Legionnaire. So hey, let's kill her!
Still great art and a great issue. But don't be dead Dreamy!
I find it ironic that a character created solely to be a straight guy's idea of the perfect "babe" should have among her loyal fans, a gay guy...
Posted by disaster boy on :
many gay guys i'm sure.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
If Dreamy is dead I'm going to pitch SUCH a fit!
What's the point of rebooting these characters time and again just so they can play Chinese firedrill with who's dead and who isn't?
Didn't Lemnos tell Brainy about the breakin?
Didn't Barry tell us someone was going to shave his/her head? Maybe it's a symbol of mourning on Colu or something.
Posted by rjbrande on :
Guess no one can complain that nothing's happening anymore.
And I'm in the same boat as the rest of those that can't believe Nura's dead. I'm so enamored with the idea of a Brainy/Dreamy romance I absolutely refuse to believe it.
Best "line" this issue was the first three panels. Loved that.
And it is really, really nice to have Barry back. I honestly think he's taken first place on my list of favorite Legion artists.
Posted by rjbrande on :
quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: Didn't Barry tell us someone was going to shave his/her head? Maybe it's a symbol of mourning on Colu or something.
I'll bet it's Imra. She does it because she believes that she would have seen the sleepers in Elysion's mind if her hair hadn't been in the way.
Posted by Caliente on :
So broken up over it. Posted by legionadventureman on :
As i posted in another Legion-related topic, I think Barry is just playing mind-games with our heads. He announced how much "he was going to miss the Dream Girl character" - and he was grinning about it...
That oughta tell you something fishy is going on here...:wink:
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Hi Cj and Rj - Thank you both!
As to Dream Girl's fate - it seems it's just about impossible for me to say anything without being accused of teasing - the one thing I can promise is that I won't intentionally give you any false information.
It is great to read so many reactions and see that so many of you are as caught up in the storyline as we are! I think there will be lots to talk about every issue for the foreseeable future!
As for the color slip - we all make mistakes (I know I have, with this many characters) none of us want there to be ANY, but even when we're all trying our hardest sometimes things slip through the cracks - and overall I thought the color in this issue looked great! er 'no-prizes' anyone?...my offering is that it was a weird trick of the alien light on Helegyn... Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Barry pls tease us all you want. It keeps us going until the next issue. Posted by Lad Boy on :
Theory (1) It's not Dream Girl whose arm we see in the final pages of issue 10. It's the remains of Brainy's Dream Girl robot -- oh wait, no, that's just too preposterous.
Theory (3) Dream Girl was wearing Brainiac's force field projector in the HQ collapse (It's not visible on his belt in the scene when he and Lyle emerge from the rubble, nor any later scene.) The force field was too weak to protect Nura's right arm. It was severed. She removed her flight ring from her severed arm and flew from the scene of the collapsed HQ. Her right ring-finger nail is chipped. She's pissed.
Projectra will restore the right arm, but only if Nura shaves her head. "There's room for only one platinum bombshell in this Legion, Honey."
Posted by Tromium on :
Cool theory, Lad Boy. But instead of Projectra restoring Nura's arm, she should get a robot one.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
No robot arms until you are brought back from the land of the dead. That's in the Legion constitution.
Posted by Lad Boy on :
My theory number two above will, of course, be proved correct when I edit the post next month.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: No robot arms until you are brought back from the land of the dead. That's in the Legion constitution.
Trust Scott on this, he has had experience with robot arms and with giant space-whales...Is he also a Antarean shape-shifting blob too? Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I am in awe. I obviously lacked the AR comic reading skills to see the missing thing on his belt. WaK made sure we knew what/where it was when she tried to touch it and made a point of drawing it in on the earlier scenes.
Of course an inking error could have just blacked it out. Posted by Lad Boy on :
Wait til I reveal my theory about the supposed inking error that caused Star Boy to be colored like a Coluan on the planet Helegyn.
[ September 30, 2005, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Lad Boy ]
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Oh and where did Querl's "butt-wires" go? He had them outside with Cos. Dreamy make him take them off when they're alone, maybe? Or maybe he took them off to look less nerdy while putting the moves on her.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
The wires help Brainy monitor every broadcast available while he's away from the HQ - about 30 trillion per sec. He doesn't need the link inside the lab as the tech there handles it. When rushing out to deal with the emergency he didn't have time to re-establish his link...which it turned out would have been useless anyway once Elysion destroyed the comm.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
See, I love little insights like that. We really need a back up covering the tech being used. I think that would be great and would also be a bow to the ones that used to run ocassionally in previous series.
Thanks Barry!
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
No problem! We're very aware there's still a big gap between all the aspects we've worked out about the LSH universe and what we've actually been able to tell the readers so far. Some things we naturally want to keep under wraps, but some things like that detail I think it's okay for me to reveal. Posted by Tamper Lad on :
And all this time I thought it was a Coluan hat. So it's just to watch the news, pro-wrestling and Coronation Street reruns. Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Oh you just know Brainy is watching Desparate Housewives. He's gotta love trash like that. Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Well, he wouldn't watch Lost. He would have had everything figured out after ten minutes and gotten bored with the hints and teasing.
(I, on the other hand, am very hooked.)
Posted by rjbrande on :
So - an explicit reason for the missing wires, but no comment on the missing force-field generator.
Hooray! Nura's alive!
(Just let me go for another month...)
Posted by Blacula on :
Well it looks like I'm late to the party but I finally read LSH #10.
umm ... WOW! ... Where do I start? ...
OK - this issue blew me away! I've been pretty negative about this book for the last few months, especially railing against its lack of action or excitement but boy - be careful what you wish for!
I *LOVED* this issue though! This one issue is better than all of issues #3-#9 combined! The action was great! The excitement was there! There was some good characterisation! Some humour! Twists and turns! Interesting concepts! Fabulous art! A cliffhanger finish! Finally we have an issue worthy of bearing the masthead 'Legion of Super-Heroes'!
AND THAT ENDING...! My goodness did I get a surprise! I was SO not expecting a Legionnaire to die this issue - and certainly not Dream Girl - even though the clues had been there right from the beginning! It never occurred to me that the reson Nura couldn't see more than an hour into the future was because she was going to die, but in retrospect it makes perfect sense. That was some clever writing!
The execution of it was fantastic too! Those last 7 pages were some TIGHT comics writing and art! We're waiting for Brainy to say something 'humourous'; he says 'humerus' instead; one shot of Dreamy's face; and then BAM - the headquarters comes crashing down on top of them; Lyle searches for Nura in the rubble; thinks he's found her; and then BAM again - there's her bloodied hand sticking out from underneath some wreckage! Cap it off with one final glimpse of the remaining Legionnaires oblivious to the disaster at home and stranded on worlds across the galaxy and Lyle's distraught face realising just how bleak things have become and you have one KICK-ASS ending! Definitely one of my faves of all time!
I'm so torn re: Nura's fate though! She's always been one of my top 3 femmes on this team and so to lose her is a real blow. But it was such a good scene! ARRGGHHH! I don't know - I think if she turns out to be OK I'll be happy but if she stays dead I'll be happy too. (Though to be honest - I think I'd rather she turn out to be OK. Its way too early in the WaK era to be killing Legionnaires!)
Other great things about this issue -
* All those little 'L' Legionnaires got blown up or crushed in the plaza! I had just been thinking at the beginning of the issue when Cos and Brainy were making their speech to them how annoying I found those little 'L' Legionnaires to be and how I really wished someone would blow them up... and then 14 pages later it happened! Go Terror Firma! (Though the use of suicide bombers did have me thinking about recent events here in London and that was a little disturbing.)
* Elysion is a great bad guy! Perfectly E-e-e-evil and doesn't give a damn about it. Shades-of-grey villains have their place but sometimes I just want an out-and-out BAD guy. And Elysion delivers! Suitably powerful enough to be a serious threat too! Hope he survives this storyline.
* 2 great bits of humour - Gim's 'foot' and Jan's 'quote'! LOL.
* I liked Cos splitting the team into smaller groups to tackle the threat. It had a suitably silver-age feel to it while at the same time being relevant to the story. I'd be pissed if I was on that Terror Firma-homeworld squad though! Were they ever undermanned! He may as well have asked them to leave their flight rings and locker keys behind before they left!
* I liked Imra's smack-down of Elysion and Jeckie's assertion of her membership in this issue! Both came across as powerful, kick-ass members. I'm not much of an Imra-fan but when used well and in small doses (as she was here) I like her.
* Costume update now that I've had 10 months to get used to them : The Goods - Star Boy, Element Lad (except the colours), Karate Kid, Chameleon (though I REALLY want him to have his antennae back full-time!), Phantom Girl and Light Lass. The OKs - Lightning Lad, Cosmic Boy, Shadow Lass, Triplicate Girl, Brainiac 5, Sun Boy (the leggings need work) and Ultra Boy. The Bads - Invisible Kid (if that even is a costume its boring!), Micro Lad (it just looks like it was rushed out to meet the first issue deadline or something - sorry Barry), Princess Projectra (I like the purple and the white collar thing but the rest of it, *especially* the bare midriff, is all wrong), Saturn Girl (just dull, and pink/white and red/white are very tired on her - time for a whole new colour scheme) and Dream Girl (U.G.L.Y. worst on this or any other Legion team - but hopefully we'll never have to see it again now).
All in all a great, great issue! I'm sorry it took 10 months to happen but I think this creative team is finally in the groove on this book! My only worry is that it'll be too little too late when it comes to the bleeding readership. Whatever the next storyline is going to be the marketing department at DC needs to put some real kick into promoting it and encouraging the people who've dropped this book over the last few months (and let's face it - there have been a LOT of them) to give it another try and see how good this creative team, and this super-hero team, can be!
Sorry bout the long post! Can't wait for next issue!
[ September 30, 2005, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Blacula ]
Posted by Lad Boy on :
The "bleeding readership" is very troubling to me, too.
Posted by knowjack on :
quote: I find it ironic that a character created solely to be a straight guy's idea of the perfect "babe" should have among her loyal fans, a gay guy...
Life's funny like that. ---gay guy Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
I don't have enough time to read through all these pages (at work) but lemme just say:
Oh. My. God.
re Nura:
Oh no you di-ent!
Posted by googoomuck on :
Are we sure that that's Dreamy? The page before the one with the arm sticking out of the wreckage (Barry is there anyway you could put numbers in) Lyle grabs Dreamy's shoulder but she turns around and says who? in Interlac. Or is this another red herring?
Thumnail
Posted by legionadventureman on :
The hairstyle (its way too short) is all wrong and she has a weird baseball-diamond like mark on her forehead...That can't be Dream Girl Posted by Yellow Kid on :
LAM, you really really need to buy a copy of the book or borrow someone's and read it. Honest.
No that's not Nura in the panels above but there IS a shot of her (or at least we're led to believe it's her) a couple of pages later.
No I won't scan and post the page in question because it's the big shocker of the issue and not everybody has had a chance to read it yet. I know we discuss all the particulars but it's still not the same as flipping through the pages in sequence and enjoying the experience for yourself.
Posted by googoomuck on :
So is Dream Girl or Tatooed Face Girl dead?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I actually briefly considered that the fact that Lyle sees a couple of people in the crowd after the building's collapse that he mistakes for Dream Girl might mean that the arm sticking out of the wreckage wasn't Dream Girl either. But that seems very unlikely...
Posted by wamu2 on :
wow! 13 pages of comments so far. Well most of the big stuff has been touched so I am going to focus on smaller moments in the book.
(1) Glad to see Star Boy stop trying to mix it up with the big guy (he was swinging uselessly on his arm) and just increase the guys weight instead. I wonder if that is because Cos showed up and gave battle instructions?
(2) Elysion- I am still not sure why he passed out in the cold. He was wearing a duster in a very hot environment, but the cold knocked him out. Did his environment shielding fail, or was that a comment on the nature of his power. if it's a power thing I guess the Legion can always imprison him in Australia.
(3) Micro lad- I noticed Light Lass was seating on his shoulder during the meeting. Micro lad and Light Lass seating in a tree....
(4)Lemnos- I am still amazed by the number of non-human folks in the background of Otherspace. I keep thinking it will mean something.
(5) Now for you Mr. Kitson. I have noticed that there is a lot of emphasis on button pushing in this series. Lemnos presses a button to activate the suicide bombers. Those bombers in turn press a button to activate the bomb. Last issue Invisible pressed buttons to reroute Cos. and of course Brainy has had button pushing highlighted twice (to help remember Lemnos, and to let everyone hear Cos). So, Mr. Kitson, has that always been your trademark or just something you cooked up for the LSH? Thanks.
[ October 01, 2005, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: wamu2 ]
Posted by wamu2 on :
One other thing I noticed. When Elysion came through the transmatter, Cham's antennae were activated. So both Elysion and Lemnos are from races that Cham hasn't encountered before. Now, I realize the galaxy is a big place but it seems strange to me that as a member of a galaxy spanning group, that Cham has not encountered at least one member of either race before. Perhaps this otherspace has been another dimension all along?
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
I think Cham instinctively scans most individual living things capable of independent thought that he hasn't previously met- especially if they have to be considered potential threats - whether he's encountered their species before or not - for example, as no two humans are exactly alike so every single one of them has aspects that would interest him. In the cases of Elysian and Lemnos, they seem rather unusual beings so they would have been natural subjects to scan.
I'm assuming Cham's brain works rather as ours do when we see a bug - if we recognize the species, we probably show little interest, but if we spot something that seems unusual we might instinctively take a closer look at it.
Not sure if that helped clear things up or not!
[ October 01, 2005, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: Barry Kitson ]
Posted by Lobo Gris on :
Maybe Elysiun is a mutant life form and that makes him exotic enoght to cham´s antennae to react. Same goes for Lemnos
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I think it kind of makes sense that Cham would automatically scan individuals of "higher species" but only new types of lower species.
One thing I'm curious about is whether he is limited to transformations into living things or whether he can disguise himself as non-living things (e.g. rubbish cans) as well.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Good question - we haven't established that have we?
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Actually, you did several issues ago. He said he could turn into something that looked like a wall, but would still be made of "what do you call it? Flesh!" (Although I like the idea of a gender-neutral character, deep down, Cham will always be "Chameleon Boy to me).
Jumping into the fray kinda late, I enjoyed this issue and the entire series--it and the two JSA titles are my current favourites. I do hope Dream Girl turns out all right. She was never my favourite, but I wouldn't want anyone killed off so soon.
What I'm wondering is how the rest of the Legion will get back to earth now that the Transmatter has been destroyed. Will they have to take a commercial "flight"?
[ October 01, 2005, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Rockhopper Lad ]
Posted by EmeraldEmpress on :
I think ..If Nura say to Brainy "You feel different when we're married" in number two, she can't be dead.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
The Legion's Transmatter being destroyed shouldn't be that big a deal, right? It was shown last issue that it was a fairly common method of travel, and that the Legion hardly has the only available one. More important is the fact that the Transmitter is destroyed, and the Legionnaires left on Earth can't communicate with those on missions (or they with each other.
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Just read it. Best issue since what #6 I think. (my fave of the run so far is #6 this comes close)
I echo lots of the thoughts here especially Blacula. I gotta post before him from now on.
Elysion and Terror Firma rock. Cos splitting the team up like that...very old school. I liked it. (My school isn't as old as others).
HQ destroyed? Yes! Hey I hope this is just part of my theory that Waid/Kitson made this seem like an early Legion to start but slowly...rather carefully are going to bring them up to speed. In other words that silly Adv. era upside down spaceship is gone! Now give me a new HQ!
Only pet peeves are my top two Legionnaires. Ultra Boy looks smaller than a Backstreet Boy and Cham...that blank expression...asking all the questions? O' Cham were art thou? Cham is Wile E. Coyote not Tweetie bird.
This is one of the top issues of this series so far!
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Questions?
I wonder if any brave heroic teens are going to rise to the call on Earth against Elysion?
Any good ole favorites? (Wildfire?!) Or a new character all together? Do we get to see any young brave SPs (Erin, Dvron, Gigi?!) against Elysion?! I hope all of the above.
Quick side note about Elysion. Any greek myth fan knows it's part of the Underworld.
From Wiki...
"The Elysian fields were the final resting place of the souls of the heroic and the virtuous."
But Wiki also states... "Elysium is an obscure and mysterious name that evolved from a designation of a place or person struck by lightning, enelysion, enelysios."
Great name for a villain...especially after he killed a hero. It was a only a matter of time before he killed a hero. But I wonder if Garth is going to fry his arse to a cinder?! Hmm.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
It is surprising that none of the legionnaires seem to be any more useful than they have been so far.
I mean, when you're left with Brainy and Invisible Kid, neither of which is exactly a powerhouse, surely some of the kids in the crowd are actually more effective in combat than they are.
I wonder if Theena might be the key to communicating with the rest of the Legion?
Posted by Harbinger on :
EDE beat me to it, I thought earlier that Theena might be the key to keeping the groups in contact.
After re-reading this issue I felt that Cos's character was just used as a story prop - "Now Imra will read Elysians mind" - and his 3 recap panels both read like it was what Waid wanted him to say but Waid never got around to phrasing it in Cos's 'voice'.
Minor complaints about an otherwise brilliant issue.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: After re-reading this issue I felt that Cos's character was just used as a story prop - "Now Imra will read Elysians mind" - and his 3 recap panels both read like it was what Waid wanted him to say but Waid never got around to phrasing it in Cos's 'voice'.
I thought that seemed weird too. It reminded me of A Charlie Brown Christmas where Charlie Brown says "Now the script girl will hand out the scripts."
Hmm. Cosmic Boy. Charlie Brown. Coincidence? I think not!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: EDE beat me to it, I thought earlier that Theena might be the key to keeping the groups in contact.
As long as I'm at it... if there's an open spot on the team, could she be the one to take it?
Posted by baycent54 on :
"How will the stranded Legionnaires get back home?" I have an idea. It's spelled D*wnst*r. Think about it. She's capable traveling at FTL speeds, can track anyone, and would be just the right person for the job. Or, just maybe, she and Shikari could operate as a team. That would be fairly unique. (Of course she'd have to be the more experienced of the two.)
Posted by disaster boy on :
wait...why are people speaking in interlac? i mean dosn't everyone speak interlac ...and we are reading english translations. if some of these characters are speaking interlac what is the new default language that we are reding every month. the legionaires now speak english in the future?
i guess the postesr on the walls are in english not interlac. did i miss something....some signage in the crowd is in terlac. whats on the view screens or computer screens these days?
one other explanation could be that these characters speak by popping out letters that people can see and read but....i doubt it.
Posted by Starbucks Kid on :
NOOOOOOOOOO! Not Dream Girl!!!!
Another great issue. Glad to have Barry back on the pencils. The humerous bone was a good play on words.
A couple of other things stuck out in my mind. Normally, I just enjoy the issue but I had questions about people referring to the feet measurement in the 30th century. I'm from the US and even I agree that not using the metric system is stupid. Also, if those walking bombs could kill anyone within 8 feet, exactly HOW did Lyle escape? Did he open Elysion's prison in exchange for not getting vaporized?
My predictions for the next issues are: 1) Dream Girl is not dead (it can't happen) 2) Brin is alive and doing something sneaky 3) Reboot will come back and post about how horrible the series is by pointing to the sales figures
Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by knowjack:
quote: I find it ironic that a character created solely to be a straight guy's idea of the perfect "babe" should have among her loyal fans, a gay guy...
Life's funny like that. ---gay guy
And another piece of irony - the comment about the "gay guys loving Dream Girl" bit was written by yet another gay guy - who would dearly love to have the older, whiter Star Boy-with-beard back again...if only in his dreams *sighs*
Posted by rjbrande on :
quote:Originally posted by disaster boy: wait...why are people speaking in interlac? i mean dosn't everyone speak interlac ...and we are reading english translations. if some of these characters are speaking interlac what is the new default language that we are reding every month. the legionaires now speak english in the future?
I thought about that a bit too - my thought was that people are speaking whatever the common language on 30th Century earth is, not Interlac. It makes sense from the standpoint that the UP is still (seemingly) pretty Balkanized - there may not be a widely spoken common language. Some of the "small l" legionnaires are picking it up and starting to use it in the same way (and for the same reasons) as that Esperanto group I joined in college...
I don't have the books handy right now - does the flight ring have translator functions as well?
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
My Comments:
1) There seems to be some serious couples pairings on the mission teams; Brainy and Nura on Earth Light Lass and Star Boy on Dormir Shadow Lass and Sun Boy, Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad on Ttrxl Karate Kid and Phantom Girl, Projectra and Brin (soon) on Terror Firma homeworld
2) Didn't understand how they caught Elysion by leading him to the dark side of the planet, or how they knew to do so in the first place.
My Opinions:
1) Lyle was hoping Nura was out of the HQ before it crashed - and thought he saw Nura in the plaza, but to his dismay it was another person. That's all to that.
2) Brainy mentioned throughout that his force field had a limited amount of power. The force field controls missing from his belt while in the plaza had been transferred to Nura (via Atom Girl?) When Nura used it, it was low on energy and was sufficient to save her life, but not enough to keep the rubble off.
3) The two people in the ring reflection for cover #11 are DEFINITELY Brainy and Nura.
4) The bald legionnaire will be Atom Girl.
5) Projectra will be the Legionnaire who develops new powers.
6) Nura's loss of precognative powers are more likely linked to Infinite Crisis in some way, where the big-time DC writers like Mr. Waid are sure to be involved. The future is unclear because that's the premise of the whole Crisis itself.
Posted by Arachne on :
Hmm, somebody mentioned on another board that Waid killed Ice in a similar fashion. Didn't he say on the Women in the Refrigerator site that he regretted that? Would he really make the same mistake twice?
[Edit]
Yep he did say that:
quote:I'm responsible for the death of Ice. My call, my worst mistake in comics, my biggest regret. I remember hearing myself ask the editor, "Who's the JLAer whose death would evoke the most fierce gut reaction from readers?" What a dope. Mea culpa. But I've learned my lesson. In fact, one of the only reasons I still hang on to FLASH is because I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the moment I walk, the next guy's gonna drop a safe on Linda Park's head before my last voucher's been paid.
[ October 01, 2005, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
KidQuislet, great observations about the couples! I f those are the new couples I don't mind them at all. Brainy/Nura, Star Boy/Light Lass, Projecta and Brin are my faves. The others I may need time to grow on me. KK/PG...as long as they never reference that silly origin again...I will accept. heh.
As for Dream Girl? I think she will be back...she might get a drastic makeover. Bald Legionnaire might be her! I wouldn't mind it.
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by Arachne: Hmm, somebody mentioned on another board that Waid killed Ice in a similar fashion. Didn't he say on the Women in the Refrigerator site that he regretted that? Would he really make the same mistake twice?
Didn't Waid also sort of, kind of kill Linda Park on her wedding day by erasing her from reality? That didn't last, and neither will Nura's "death", I'll wager. No longer than is necessary to pull at our heartstrings, anyway. After Identity Crisis, killing and abusing comic book heroines is looked upon as sooo uncool - unless they go out in a blaze of glory - which Nura didn't. I think Waid is too enlightened now to really "ice" Dream Girl in this way.
I believe it's all a ploy to get Brainy to fall in love with Nura, and make the marriage prophecy inevitable. This has all happened before, of course. Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Maybe Nura'll turn out to be one of the missing Carggites? Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Maybe Nura'll turn out to be one of the missing Carggites?
That's just wrong. Posted by disaster boy on :
that's just dream girl's arm in the wreckage. what about a new nura with a robotic arm like lightning lad's.
ok that's a terrible idea but i just want her alive! they could clone body parts in the future..
Posted by wamu2 on :
I can go either way with Dream Girl's apparent demise. If she's just badly injured and recovers, there's some material to work with.
If however, she is gone, than that works as well. Her mom, and other UP delegates with Legion kids may finally get galvanized into action. Not to mention the deaths of those poor legion fans in the plaza.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Back to the Chameleon-antenna thing for a second... I had the idea that his antennae would pop out to scan Lemnos any time Lemnos was around, because his subconscious would keep forgetting that he had met Lemnos before. Of course, now that Saturn Girl has blocked the Legion against Lemnos's memory powers, that wouldn't be true any more.
Posted by numberonelegionfan on :
At the risk of getting stoned...
I think Dream Girl's "fate" will be something out of Monty Python & The Holy Grail.
Brainiac 5: Dream Girl! Dream Girl! Speak to me! Brave, brave Dream Girl, you shall not have died in vain! Dream Girl: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead, Brainy. Brainiac 5: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain! Dream Girl: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through, Brainy. Brainiac 5: Oh, I see. Dream Girl: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you, Brainy-- Brainiac 5: No, no, sweet Dream Girl! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular... [sigh] Dream Girl: Idiom, Brainy? Brainac 5: Idiom! Dream Girl: No, I feel fine, actually, Brainy. LAUNCELOT: Farewell, sweet Dream Girl! Dream Girl: I'll, um, I'll just stay here then. Shall I, Brainy? Yeah.
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
That cute alien is Proty not Cham! I know it!
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Maybe Atom Girl will finally appear by growing out of Dream Girl's lifeless body and exploding out of her stomach like Alien. Then she'll of course have Dream Girl's powers and be called Dreatom Girl
Posted by KidChaos on :
Vi did love to steal the powers of her dead team-mates.
Posted by Owl Lad on :
A bald Dream Girl and a long awaited debut of Violet are eagerly anticipated.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
Hmmmm.... Barry is *such* a tease!!!
Posted by Prince Projector on :
I just wanted to say that the issue was amazing! I loved it from cover to cover. I think it is one of the strongest Dream Girl stories I have ever read. If she is indeed dead, I will be upset, but I will also think it was an interesting send off. I can't wait for what comes next though, the suspense just keeps building. Thom
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Forget Dream Girl! I'm worried about Posted by Gay Green Giant on :
I was never sure whether Bodger and Bonce were real people or holograms or maybe even a pair of illusions. It would be absolutely cool for a Legionnaire like Jeckie to always have her own personal security team at all times. Think about it, if one of the Royals were superpowered and insisted on being a superhero wouldn't the government INSIST on having a couple of (or even several) highly trained "licensed to kill" agents around at all times?
There's more to this than meets the eye.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
yeah, why didn't Bodger and Bonce go with the Princess and the Legion Team thu the portal? were they Orandoans or were they unloyal servants who beat it once the "Daddy" who signs their checks was (seemingly) destroyed.
Posted by Caliente on :
quote:Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula: were they unloyal servants who beat it once the "Daddy" who signs their checks was (seemingly) destroyed.
That's what I figured.
Posted by Matthew E on :
I had a weird thought recently.
You know how, in this incarnation of the Legion, all the characters have their powers and alien origins and personalities all tightly tied together?
Well, so far nobody seems to trust Invisible Kid. This matches his powers: you can't see him, so you can't count on him. Maybe there's something about the invisibility serum that causes this reaction in other people.
And then I had another weird thought. There's another character in this comic book who has a somewhat comparable effect on people, and powers that could produce the effect of invisibility. I'm talking about Lemnos.
Is there any possibility that Lemnos and Invisible Kid are the same person? It'd take a lot of sleight-of-hand on Lemnos's part, and Terror Firma wouldn't be in on the secret, but it might be just possible.
I don't really think it's true. But the notion intrigued me.
Posted by Mediocre Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula: yeah, why didn't Bodger and Bonce go with the Princess and the Legion Team thu the portal? were they Orandoans or were they unloyal servants who beat it once the "Daddy" who signs their checks was (seemingly) destroyed.
I doubt that they're disloyal, given the fact that they were still in the vicinity of the Legion HQ when it blew up. That's just my opinion, though.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: And then I had another weird thought. There's another character in this comic book who has a somewhat comparable effect on people, and powers that could produce the effect of invisibility. I'm talking about Lemnos.
Is there any possibility that Lemnos and Invisible Kid are the same person? It'd take a lot of sleight-of-hand on Lemnos's part, and Terror Firma wouldn't be in on the secret, but it might be just possible.
I don't really think it's true. But the notion intrigued me.
Has Lemnos' origin been told yet? I was just wondering if he could have connections to Preztor, being that he is a non-corporeal demon/being and an emissary to the Dream Demon who had conjured up the Invisble Kid image in the pre-CRISIS Legion stories? This last could be feasible - Invisible Kid is the traitor in the ranks...
[ October 06, 2005, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: legionadventureman ]
Posted by Arachne on :
I don't think he's a traitor. Yet.
If I were him I'd be getting pretty annoyed at the treatment he's been getting.
Posted by Faraway Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Hmmmm.... Barry is *such* a tease!!!
Give me a clue Drake? Save me from pouring over every page to find this.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
Faraway Lad, that detail is from the page where Lemnos addresses his followers and pushes "the button". It's the first panel, upper right quadrant, just above the guy with the really big head, and below Lemnos' last word balloon.
Posted by Arachne on :
Ah. I was looking in the crowds around Legion HQ. Thanks for clarifying.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Drake, you have a real sharp eye! Especially for Wildfire shots. Missed that one entirely.
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: Well, so far nobody seems to trust Invisible Kid. This matches his powers: you can't see him, so you can't count on him. Maybe there's something about the invisibility serum that causes this reaction in other people.
That's a very interesting idea, whether or not it turns out to be true. Unintended side effect - it could also be tied into the virus that Lyle added to his blood sample which infected the S.P. computers. Although he actively added the virus, maybe it worked, or worked more effectively because of the serum - cloaking it from the S.P.'s own computer security.
The Lyle-is-Lemnos would be fascinating, but that one's a long-shot!
[ October 08, 2005, 02:11 AM: Message edited by: Fat Cramer ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
You guys noticed the winged figure in the background in the Lemnos shot, right?
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Extremely well spotted guys!
But no one has worked out how everything is going to come together yet! Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Speaking of little touches, I really appreciated Bodger carrying the little alien to safety in the HQ collapsing scene.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Thanks Eryk I wondered if anyone had spotted that! Posted by Faraway Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Faraway Lad, that detail is from the page where Lemnos addresses his followers and pushes "the button". It's the first panel, upper right quadrant, just above the guy with the really big head, and below Lemnos' last word balloon.
Thanks Drake, Like Arachne I was looking in the crowds around Legion Plaza. So do you think that panel means Wildfire is actually working for Lemnos? Will he switch sides to join the legion? Or is it just a throw away we should ignore?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I think it was simply an Easter egg for longtime fans. I'm sure Wildfire will recieve greater fanfare than being a background character should he be re-introduced.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Unless it's some sort of clue that we're supposed to be picking up on...
Posted by Arachne on :
Did you guys notice the character with brown hair and stubble on the far left of that panel? That could almost be Brin.
I'm hoping we get to see more of the winged character. We've seen lots of hints of winged characters connected to Lemnos, but we've never seen one close up.
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But I've got a bad feeling about this, not from a story-telling standpoint, but afraid they'll deep six the Science Advisor - who hasn't exactly been beloved lately either. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Snocone) but on the editor. Sorry Mr. Wacker but shouldn't your duties included proofing the colors before the final print?
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