Start cheering and crying now.
Posted by Harbinger on :
I don't understand! PM me please
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
This is either the fourth of fifth thread linking to the photo today.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Hahaha, Im still surprised more people aren't talking about the big reveal on the DC in Demand Page.
Posted by Harbinger on :
I still don't understand!
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: I still don't understand!
It's the GA-Supes, Alexander Luthor of Earth-3 and Earth-Prime Superboy from Crisis on Infinite Earths.
For my gut response to seeing it, click here Posted by Gay-lipso on :
That's possibly one of the ugliset pictures I have ever seen in my entire life. I don't rate Lee very much (although he was at the Bristol con earlier this year and was actually a very lovely guy) but this cover is just... urgh. Quite apart from PG's stupid boobs and the ribbing that she apparently has on her costume, the anatomy is completely off, her hair looks.. bizarre, she has the whole Michael Turner 'eyes being attacked by a spider' look going on, and her mouth... ye gods, her mouth.
Ugh, ugh, ugh. I'm looking less and less forward to IC now.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
HOLY frikking crap!!!! i can't believe it. so they've waited 20 years to finally bring them back WTF????
Posted by Harbinger on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: I still don't understand!
It's the GA-Supes, Alexander Luthor of Earth-3 and Earth-Prime Superboy from Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Thanks Reboot - as an at best casual comic fan I didn't have a clue!
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: Thanks Reboot - as an at best casual comic fan I didn't have a clue!
And isn't that just the problem with the whole thing Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
well i for one, is really excited now !!!
it's great seeing those characters that went away in "CRISIS" number 12 !!!
for me it means everything is possible and every 'still' happened and 'can' happen !!!
bring it on ........
Matthew.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: This is either the fourth of fifth thread linking to the photo today.
This was for all the Superboy fans that might not check out Gym'lls!
quote:Originally posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN: HOLY frikking crap!!!! i can't believe it. so they've waited 20 years to finally bring them back WTF????
quote:Originally posted by the boy with UltraPowers: well i for one, is really excited now !!!
it's great seeing those characters that went away in "CRISIS" number 12 !!!
for me it means everything is possible and every 'still' happened and 'can' happen !!!
bring it on ........
Matthew.
Like John and Matt! Posted by Semi Transparent Fellow on :
On another thread I stated that I wouldn't buy Infinite Crisis unless something freaking marvellous happened. I think this qualifies as freaking marvellous. I'm buying.
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
I don't think their presence on the cover is going to be a problem unless they fail to adequately explain who these characters are in the story proper.
Posted by Blue Battler on :
I seem to recall hearing at one point that the original plan was for the Earth Prime Superboy to join the Legion ... that would have been a neat thing to see.
Can you imagine being not only a comic book fan, but also being one of the most powerful beings in creation-- AND a Legionnaire?
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Gay-lipso stop smoking crack!
That picture is awesome. If DC wants me to accept the return of any of these characters having Lee drawing them is a good idea. And I'm even a bigger Phil Jimenez fan.
Power Girl does look a bit too Danger Girl for me but awesome cover!!!
Posted by KidChaos on :
Is just me, or does the earth-2 Lois have really, really big feet?
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
It's a side effect of that GA story were she became an alien duck woman. Poor Lois.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
Yaaay!
(I think.)
(We'll see how it turns out.)
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
Is that Stealth on the viewscreen above Vril? Those Dox men are obsessive about their better halves eh?
[ October 12, 2005, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Sweet. L.E.G.I.O.N.!!!
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Outdoor Miner: Yaaay!
(I think.)
(We'll see how it turns out.)
If it goes the way the rest of the stories have been going I expect only two or three of those pictured making it to the end.
Posted by Semi Transparent Fellow on :
Well, I read Infinite Crisis #1 and probably understood about a page and a half. I don't have a clue what this is about. And frankly, if it stays this obtuse, I'll just forget about it. The only bit of light for me was at the end, when the REAL Superman (not that anemic mess created by Byrne) decides to make an appearance to save the day. I hope that means the real Superman is returning and these last years have just been a bad dream.
Posted by Caliente on :
quote:Originally posted by Semi Transparent Fellow: Well, I read Infinite Crisis #1 and probably understood about a page and a half.
Seconded!! ><
Posted by numberonelegionfan on :
Is it me or does that cover featuring the "Watchers in Limbo" with Power Girl in the centre have the "S" emblem on Kal-L's chest all wrong...doesn't the upper tip of his "S" slope down and touch to the short side on the right of the diamond?
And...has a pic of the second cover for #2 been released?
Posted by Tromium on :
I'm deleriously happy that DC is undoing COIE.
But whatever happened to The Man of Tomorrow? Having only recently reappeared in Loeb's "Absolute Authority", I just hope he's not forgotten in all this reworking. He was the closest thing to the pre-Crisis Legion's real Superman.
I'll be hoppin' mad if Earth-Prime Superboy becomes canon fodder. Send him back to the future, Mr. Didio. At least he's Kal-El, which Conner will never be.
Posted by Stratum on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: I'm deleriously happy that DC is undoing COIE.
But whatever happened to The Man of Tomorrow? Having only recently reappeared in Loeb's "Absolute Authority", I just hope he's not forgotten in all this reworking. He was the closest thing to the pre-Crisis Legion's real Superman.
I'll be hoppin' mad if Earth-Prime Superboy becomes canon fodder. Send him back to the future, Mr. Didio. At least he's Kal-El, which Conner will never be.
I think the whole multiverse thing is a red herring. These heroes are coming back to show the current heroes, "the light" and to remind them what happened.
I'm putting the GA Supes on the short list tho. Just a gut feeling.
Jamie
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
quote:Originally posted by Jorg-EM: Gay-lipso stop smoking crack!
No, seriously, there's some seriously screwed up anatomy there. Ok, not Liefeld screwed up but pretty damn wonky. If we ignore the fact she has no pupils and barely no whites to her eyes, has majorly collagened lips and boobs that no real woman has (she makes Jordan look believable), have a look at her neck, her right arm, her waist and her right knee. Her neck is impossibly twisted for the way she's standing and while her body is angled away from us and from a position of someone looking up slightly her head and neck are angled so that you're looking at them straight on. Either she has a rubber neck or she's broken it and no-one has noticed yet. The top part of her right arm not only doesn't meet up with her right shoulder but it also appears to be about three feet long while the bottom part of the same arm is probably only a few inches. OK, foreshortenting but it still doesn't work properly. Her waist is just... well, ridiculous. She has very broad shoulders, big hips and GINORMOUS boobs, but her waist and stomach are comparable to someone who hasn't eaten for an age and has had a couple of ribs removed. Her spine also appears to be broken with the way that it curves inseverely without the rest of her body actually being angled in the same way. And then her right knee is just... bizarre. It's like her knee cap has fallen off and she hasn't noticed yet.
Oh, and yes Lois has huge feet and is almost as tall as Superman. Superboy and Alexis Luthor also have very oddly stretched legs.
See, I don't mind styalisation in comics (im Sale is one of my favourite artists and frequently defies anatomy to make a picture look good) but it has to be done with style, rather than just buggereing around with it for the sake of... well, I don't know what. Not convincing or attractive art anyway.
(Sorry Jorg, I'm not really ranting at you or people that do like Lee's work. He's just a fine example of a style that i really dislike in comics. Of course give me Jim Lee over bloody Turner and his tarantula eyes any day).
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Since no one else has mentioned this... could Kal-L's punching through the barrier between universes be the "hammering on reality from the outside" from the Titans/Legion Special?
Posted by Stratum on :
That's one theory I heard earlier. Could very well be.
Jamie
Posted by Juan on :
My reaction: Meh. (I'm rather enjoying the bickering between Supes, Batman and WW, though.) And just for the record, I don't want Superman, Superboy or Supergirl in the Legion. Mon-el and Andromeda most certainly. But the Super-people tend to steal all the spotlight. My two cents.
Posted by Lad Boy on :
I'll toss in my penny so we can make it an opera. No Kryptonians, no time travel.
Posted by Stratum on :
My reaction so far (since everyone else is doing it):
Guarded excitement.
I too, like the bickering, to a point. I like the fact that Clark and Bruce both realize that the other are not living up to expectations. But I do not like how they are shutting out Diana. Bruce I can understand but Clark it just doesn't feel right.
I like the view from the narrator's point of view. I just hope they explain why no one that was present at the birth of the multiverse (CoIE #11, IIRC) remembers like they are supposed to.
I was cursing the deaths as they happened. I see it as a necessary evil to explain the severity of things. Do I like it? No, but I hate seeing characters with so much promise being laid to rest. At least they did it so that some may be able to return.
I'm really excited about what's happening, but at the same time I am not about to base my love off of one issue. Too many times have crossovers had promise and were not able to deliver. Identity Crisis, I'm looking at you.
Jamie
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Since no one else has mentioned this... could Kal-L's punching through the barrier between universes be the "hammering on reality from the outside" from the Titans/Legion Special?
Maybe, or it was the force that's "rupturing the fabric of space-time" at the end of the Rann-Thanagar War. Or both are just different manifestations of the same Multiverse-related phenomenon.
Stratum, it seems to me the Multiverse is much more than a red herring given that Power Girl is in fact Earth-2 Supergirl (the cover of IC #2 leaves little doubt of this) and Donna Troy now remembers her other lives. It's now integral to the origins of at least two present-day DCU characters, and maybe others. I'm probably going overboard with the idea of Earth-Prime Superboy in the Legion, but dollars to donuts the Multiverse will somehow provide an explanation for the 3boot Legion, and the disappearance of the postboot one.
Posted by Stratum on :
quote: Stratum, it seems to me the Multiverse is much more than a red herring given that Power Girl is in fact Earth-2 Supergirl (the cover of IC #2 leaves little doubt of this) and Donna Troy now remembers her other lives. It's now integral to the origins of at least two present-day DCU characters, and maybe others. I'm probably going overboard with the idea of Earth-Prime Superboy in the Legion, but dollars to donuts the Multiverse will somehow provide an explanation for the 3boot Legion, and the disappearance of the postboot one.
It's possible Trom. But I'm not quite ready to grasp on to the fact that she's the Earth-2 Supergirl just yet. At least not until the big reveal in JSAC.
As for the multiverse (as we know it), I honestly don't think they will revert back to it. I think that would create even more problems. I think that aspects of it will return to tease us into buying it and we may even end up with a new multiverse but I really doubt it will be the same one most of us know and love.
Jamie
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
They don't have to revert to the old multiverse. They could have a multiverse and the current DCU. My pet theory is that some of the recent deaths (Shayera in particular) could be setting the stage for the return of classic pre-crisis versions of the characters.
Certainly Shayera and Katar from Thanagar of another reality is simpler to understand than whatever continuity post-crisis Shay and Katar had.
Posted by Tromium on :
At the very least, "All Star Superman" seems to suggest that other realities will co-exist along with the mainstream DCU. And even if the Multiverse is not an active part of the post-IC DCU storytelling, Karen and Donna's new origins (and the return of our friends from the Paradise dimension) almost guarantee that it will no longer be a forgotten part.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Not only to I think [this] Superboy should be in the Legion, I have a strong feeling that he will be there. Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Me too (on both accounts) and that makes me very happy. Posted by Charles Phipps on :
Ugh! I hope not!
I don't want the original fake Superboy in the Legion!
Conner at least has a legitimate title to it!
Posted by legionadventureman on :
How come? Wasn't Kon-el a clone originally?
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
Yeah, but Superman passed down the title to him and adopted him.
Clark from Earth Prime is just some kid with powers resembling it and a fandom of Supes.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
Would this be the same Superboy who came from the Pocket Universe created by the Time Trapper - or just another version?
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
the Earth prime Superboy is supposedly from this earth (ie the real world where there are no superheroes)and during the crisis (i don't remember how)he was the teenage Clark Kent that got his powers when the ant-matter cloud threatened his(this)earth. because if i remember he originally didn't have superpowers. if anyone cares to elaberate please do because after 20 years my memory is quite fuzzy.
[ October 13, 2005, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN ]
Posted by Tromium on :
Earth-Prime Superboy is Kal-El, son of Jor-El and Lara of Krypton - an other-reality Krypton, of course - but his origin is similar to every other Kal-El.
I think I want Superman from Earth-2 when he was a boy.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: [qb]Earth-Prime Superboy is Kal-El, son of Jor-El and Lara of Krypton - an other-reality Krypton, of course - but his origin is similar to every other Kal-El.
your right Tromium thanks for the link. i never read that story i just remember his first crisis appearence and i do remember that he didn't have his powers till much later on. unlike the earth 1 and earth 2 Kal-El.
[ October 13, 2005, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN ]
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
I like the original Superboy as much as the next guy. I wouldn't mind him back...IF you give me the Legion right before Crisis. That's his Legion...he should stick with them.
Much like the Conner should just interact with the Zero Hour Legion.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Real Legion + Real Superboy is the way to go!
Posted by superboymddjr on :
this is the second time that a hero ended his life killing others - first was Dmitri Pushkin from Rocket Red in OMAC, then now this Human Bomb killing Dr. Polaris...I admitted that I was shocked to see Dr. Polaris actually getting killed off....whoa. wow.
Posted by legionadventureman on :
It would be so cool if the whole Pocket Universe scenario could be considered a dream so that Superboy, Insect Queen (Lana Lang) et al could be re-activated as being relevant in the current Legion timeline...
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
The anatomy discussion made me think of Pamela for some reason... Maybe Jim Lee could have used this picture for reference?
[ October 14, 2005, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: Sketch Lad ]
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Insect Queen? I have to draw a line somewhere! Plus don't give Waid any ideas. I know he's a sucker for that stuff.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
Only two things bother me about Lee's cover (no, not those two things...): Lois' feet and the fact that he got rid of Alex's white man 'fro.
Posted by Lame Lad on :
Do you know how hard it is to get a perm when you have been living a bubble that sits outside of reality for 20 years?
Posted by Mediocre Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I think I want Superman from Earth-2 when he was a boy.
I'm pretty sure that the Earth 2 Superman never was Superboy--just like in the current continuity. Only Earth 1 (and later Earth Prime) had Superboys.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
Sweet! The REAL Superboy in the Legion?
I'm thrilled...but how has DC resolved the ownership issue? Have they figured out that it would be worth paying royalties in order to make a mint off the character instead of being petty and writing him out of the comic world entirely?
Is this still considerd a "spoiler" thread? & & & & & & & & & spoiler space? * c h u c k l e *
My comic shop guy was chatting about IC and dropped the rumor on me that the outcome of the story will be that the DC heroes LOST the Crisis in Infinite Earths. The entire DC Universe for the last two and a half decades has been the twisted product of the Psycho Pirate's dementia.
Unfortunately the conversation was interrupted and we didn't get back to it but might this mean that DC is getting ready to reset everything to the late 80s?
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Mediocre Boy:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I think I want Superman from Earth-2 when he was a boy.
I'm pretty sure that the Earth 2 Superman never was Superboy--just like in the current continuity. Only Earth 1 (and later Earth Prime) had Superboys.
They've left themselves room to go many ways with this. One of the Superboy stories (now Conner Kent) had him shooting through hypertime with Superboys in all kinds of underwear. I think the hypertime stuff still exists in this multidimensional or not comic world.
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Kid: Is this still considerd a "spoiler" thread? & & & & & & & & & spoiler space? * c h u c k l e *
My comic shop guy was chatting about IC and dropped the rumor on me that the outcome of the story will be that the DC heroes LOST the Crisis in Infinite Earths. The entire DC Universe for the last two and a half decades has been the twisted product of the Psycho Pirate's dementia.
Unfortunately the conversation was interrupted and we didn't get back to it but might this mean that DC is getting ready to reset everything to the late 80s?
Personally, I would tend to doubt it.
I have the gut feeling that what we're seeing is actually the last hurrah for a lot of these ideas before the DCU moves forward.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
That wouldn't be bad either. Even us die-hards could finally accept that it's a done deal and go with the flow or go totally indie.
You know the LSH really would be a kick-nass indie title wouldn't it? Vanth Dreadstar would be a cool recurring Legion villian.
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
I would hate if they reboot everything to 1985. Unless ofcourse that includes the Legion.
But all kidding aside...as much as this idea scares me I think DC will move foward. They have noticed you don't need a massive continuity change to rework a hero or team. (I guess unlike our Legion)
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Kid: That wouldn't be bad either. Even us die-hards could finally accept that it's a done deal and go with the flow or go totally indie.
Yep.
I wasn't clear above, but I don't have a problem with that idea either. I may not end up happy with the execution, but we'll see how it goes.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
ok why does the "bowling for soup" song 1985 keep popping up in my head when i read this thread??
Posted by Lame Lad on :
I wouldn't mind if they rebooted to 1985 if they could reboot Giffen's pencils to about that time. I think after Crisis, we ended up with Earth-3 Giffen.
Although, to be honest, I luvs Barry's artwork. I remember someone showing me a copy of Empire and I told the guy who was showing it to me that I'd kill to see that guy drawing the Legion because his style just looks natural for it.
The Legion has always has it's share of good artists.
Barry Kitson, Keith Giffen, Mike Grell, Dave Cockrum, Steve Lightle, Coipel (who I think was just outstanding once he hit his groove during Lost).
Anyhow, I still miss my pre-Crisis Legion, when one issue we'd have Superboy and every now and then Kara would show up and the ties to 20th Century like pre-Millenium Laurel Kent, Dev-em, etc. That was the Legion I grew up on, starting with my first issue when I was 7 years old which featured the wedding of Duo Damsel and Bouncing Boy. Comics have come and gone, but I have never given up on the Legion and while each has been enjoyable in it's own way, the Legion before the Baxter format books will always hold a place in my heart.
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Lame Lad, Giffen has gone through so many styles. But if I can capture that year or so of LOSH #300 through #313 of Giffen's magic. wow. Maybe the perfect Legion.
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