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Posted by Jo Nah TMK on :
 
i can't believe this but according to Newsarama, in a brief statement from Dan Didio:

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"Not sure how things can change One Year Later when the stories are taking place thousands of years in the future, but the future is about to get more exciting in the newly titled Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. And no, that is not a typo, wide awake now."

WHAT? Supergirl's title is surviving, so not sure what this means... is it Kara Zor-El, is it Kara Zor-L (Power Girl)?

Barry? is this all a big joke?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
*sniff sniff sob sob* no Andromeda to be seen!
 

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Posted by opusrph on :
 
Guess we're going to get the Silver Age Brainy/Supergirl romance once again. No wonder Dream Girl had to die!
 

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Posted by Star Boy on :
 
Holy Crap! I glanced thru that article and didn't see that one!
 

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Posted by googoomuck on :
 
Here's the link from Newsarama. Does anyone know what's up with this?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I don't know if I like the sound of this. I don't want Supergirl taking panel space away from the rest of the team.

Maybe it's just one storyline.

[ November 26, 2005, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 
Huh.

That's....


well.....


I don't know what that is. I wonder if it has anything to do with the rumored LSH cartoon series. At some point those mentioned a silver-age character being part of the cast.
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
Gee, twenty years ago Supergirl wasn't viewed as a valuable enough property to survive Crisis, and this time around she's bumping the Legion aside in their own title? Well, times change I guess. I hope this is a stunt and not something permanent. Surely less than a year since the relaunch DC haven't lost conidence in the Legion to the point of shunting the book back into the Super umbrella.
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 
I wish this news would fill me with more excitement. But I haven't enjoyed DC's newest Supergirl at all. So my hope is that this Supergirl is unrelated... some how.
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
Supergirl joining the Legion could have been in the planning for a very long time - maybe even from the beginning. Waid said the second year would reveal "very close ties" to the DCU. Now here it is.
 

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Posted by SouthtownKid on :
 
Supergirl herself is getting a new writer post-IC, so who knows what she'll resemble at that point. I'm cautiously optimistic, and I was hoping for something along these lines, except maybe with Power Girl.
 

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Posted by Querl Dox on :
 
I don't like this. I'm waiting to see how it will be done and with what character, but for now i'm less than enthusiastic by this news. Same for the new title.

The Legion doesn't need to be in the shadow of another Super.

we will see, maybe i will like it. And if that move gives later the opportunity to see the return of XS for example (because she is somehow tied to the 21st century) or others characters, maybe it will be great.

[ November 26, 2005, 05:27 AM: Message edited by: Querl Dox ]
 

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Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
 
I would rather not see LSH tied to Super-anyone, but I guess it makes some sense. I don't know what will happen at the end of IC, but having Supergirl and Power Girl both in the present does make one or the other a tad redundant and, quite frankly, Power Girl has struggled to fit in the DCU of the present for years and found her niche in JSA. Supergirl is starting again from scratch. Her own title or not , she has less of a home in the DCU than Power Girl.

Of course, my preference would be Power Girl in the present, Andromeda in the future and Supergirl ? Who's she?
 

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Posted by Mr. Kayak on :
 
but will there be "supergirl and the legion" AND LoSH, or will we have two supergirl series one of which will be the one with the legion?
 

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Posted by Stargazer on :
 
It makes my head hurt. To me it is too much at one time.
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Is this the reason behind Barry's tease about "anything being possible" by issue 20?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Bah. I don't like this. I don't like this at all.

Don't get me wrong... I mean, I totally dig my Supergirl Archives, but they seem to have gotten rid of everything I really liked about the original Supergirl.

If the point of this is to boost sales, I really don't think it's going to work in the long-term. Call me old-fashioned, but I miss the days in which the Legion used to be used boost sales in the super-titles, not the other way around.
 

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Posted by opusrph on :
 
Here's my nightmare.

A perky blonde shows up at Legion Headquarters and says "Hi, I'm from Daxam and my name's Mon-El, but you can call me Supergirl"


Run away!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I can only be accepting of this if the Supergirl in question is named Laurel Gand.

I am *strongly* against tying the LSH and Super-books together.

Sure, right now there is a semtinment (led by the likes of Geoff Johns, Phil Jiminez and Gail Simone) to restore DC's 1970s glory (and I like that-- I'm seeing the likes of Red Tornado in JLA, Duela Dent in Titans, a Secret Society of Super-Villains, etc., etc.) and for me, all of that is truly wonderful.

This isn't.

Becaue these setiments go in cycles.

One of these days, when Geoff, Phil and Gail and their Pre-Crisis-loving peers fall out of favor-- and it does happen to everyone, we all know this (except maybe to George Perez)-- well, guess what cycle will be next to fall into place? The hardcore 80s-John Byrne, Mike Carlin and Marv Wolfman fans, and POOF.

No more wacky Titans. Instant Legion-Super severance. AGAIN.

Let Laurel don the Super-suit, that would be pretty cool. Give her that pleated skirt, it's very fetching on her.

But for the love of Fred, keep Superman's cousin (both Earth 1 and Earth 2 varieties) WHERE THEY BELONG!!!
 

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Posted by Mr. Kayak on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Call me old-fashioned, but I miss the days in which the Legion used to be used boost sales in the super-titles, not the other way around.

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Originally posted by CreativityKid:
I'm not opposed to Kara joining.

It's the name change.

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What he said. We can only hope that there'll be a third series seperate from the ongoings or that her series will recieve the name change.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
If they use the Power Girl Kara then I might be able to accept it. Shunting her off to the future is a way to keep her away from the new Kara in the new Supergirl title. Assuming, that is, they both come out of the Crisis as seperate people.

But I do not want to see any Super... and LoSH title. Leave it alone as LoSH as it should be.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
If they do this, and renumber it in the 500s, I'll be even more irritated.
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
Not very excited about this. DC has just screwed the Legion so badly over the years.

They don't understand why the Legion is failing. They don't understand the Legion means different things to different people...because there have been so many versions. Yet they continue to choose a version that is not the most popular.

The Legion evolved to a certain very popular point...yet they can't recapture that. They continue to throw it back to what it was. ugh.

It depends what all this means. It depends how Infinite Crisis affects the membership. But if it's the same Legion we've been seeing all this time...plus Supergirl? I am out.

I've read her series...she does nothing for me. Dislike the name change. I rather have Laurel Gand any day of the week.

You know it makes me angry because Waid said in an interview he is trying to revive the Legion. Something about fans complaining and it's just bad for the Legion. yet both his Legion's IMO have been very limiting...ZH Legion and this one.

The Legion doesn't need Superboy, Supergirl, or Super anything.
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
I think the March issue of LSH will be entitled Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #16. The dog that's wagging this tail wears a skirt.

- Supergirl #1 160,536 copies (including reorders). Now in its THIRD printing
- Supergirl #2 111,869 copies (including reorders) SOLD OUT

It's possible the Legion will cross over into her solo book once in a while, but I can't see three separate titles coming out of this. As long as it remains in Waid & Kitson's hands and fits into their "grand scheme", I'm perfectly okay with it. I wonder if it will go through a change editors, though.
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
Also the good news on the Supergirl title is Greg Rucka is writing it. I love his Wonder Woman...and I love the Supergirl connection to the Amazons.

I suggest all you guys start emailing DC and tell your friends too as well. We may need an editorial change or something.

I look at the Teen Titans. They next to Legion where my fave DC title of the 80's. I didn't read them in the 90's. Sure I would pick up a book a few times a year...and cringe. The Geoff Johns recent relaunch of the series captured the Titans I like. It was similiar to the high selling Titans of the 80's...yet different. This is what the Legion needs...badly.
 

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Posted by CreativityKid on :
 
This just in ... Teen Titans is being renamed.

SUPERMAN AND THE TEEN TITANS.
 

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Posted by Harbinger on :
 
I so hope this a joke
 

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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 
Mostly unsupportive comments here and elsewhere have inspired me to unconditionally favor this development.
 

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Posted by SouthtownKid on :
 
I don't know... I'm honestly not against it. We've all heard that back in the old days of the original Adventure-era Legion, having Superman/Superboy on the cover supposedly doubled sales on any comic book. Over time, the Legion was able to grow its own fanbase and eclipse the need for Superpeople.

It's not a dissimillar situation to what we have today. More people today buy the various Super-books than Legion. People buying Legion are: Us -- mostly the longtime Legion fans. New readers are minimal. Maybe the inclusion of a Supergirl will in the short term help create a brand new fan base, helping ensure long term Legion survival.

I'm in the same boat with a lot of you...warry about Legion ties to present day DCU. But when I think about the reasons for that fear, I realize it's not because it doesn't work, it's completely out of fear of a new Byrne-style screwing over. But dang it, living in fear sucks. Some of my favorite Legion stories involved Superboy or Supergirl, and the time travel aspect of the series was a major factor in my enjoyment!

If anything, the Legion has been much weaker (imo) since the loss of Supergirl, and then Superboy. I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way. Being against the inclusion of (any) Supergirl is kind of like a person who got dumped hard, and is afraid about starting dating again. Maybe you think can avoid getting hurt if you stay alone for the rest of your life, but what kind of way to live is that? At some point we have to get back on that horse and let some Super back into our Legion.

As far as people being against the "Supergirl" in question being the new SG, don't forget a character can be a lot different depending on how handled by the writer, and this SG is getting 2 new writers... so don't count the character out yet based on not liking her so far. All the elements are in place for her to be a great character -- in the vein of the original -- it just hasn't happened yet.
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
I couldn't care less about a name change. That's just a detail. My question is, is the story going to be any good? If it is, then it has my support.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I have no objection to Supergirl if she's not any more important that the rest of the characters. One issue's fine; a whole series isn't.

I think it's too soon to make asumptions, though. In that interview mentioned a few pages back Rucka says “I’m not looking at doing a bunch of crossovers and seeing who’s going to be guest-starring this issue. That’s just not the direction I’m interested in taking her."

This gives me hope.
 

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Posted by CreativityKid on :
 
Well said, Arachne.

I'd rather Supergirl simply join the team, and be featured on some covers, than to give her top billing.

Giving her top billing changes the book's identity. It becomes part of the Superman Family. Which is great for sales, but bad for those of us who simply aren't interested in their adventures.

Making her just another teammate is like having Superman in JLA. He's A star, not THE star.
 

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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 
Supergirl's first task: arm-wrestling with Ultra Boy

Supergirl's second task: beachwear shopping with Imra

[ November 26, 2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Awkward Pause Boy ]
 

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Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
 
I tend to agree with those that theorize that the Supergirl in question will be the character currently known as Power Girl.

Since we assume the title will still be by WaK, we can only assume that the quality will remain regardless of any title change, permenant or temporary stunt.

And even if this Supergirl will get top billing and appear in every issue, so what? I discovered and fell in love with the Legion when the same went for Superboy. And even in the SLSH era, there was plenty of room for other characters to shine.

If Supergirl can help sales, so much the better, especially if DC has designs on breaking into the Wal-Mart/Target/etc. chain store market.

I'm certain that whatver adult bought me my first Legion comics did so because is said Superboy and... on the cover.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
For those encouraging the addition of Supergirl to save the title from cancellation-- cancellation is NOT an issue.

LSH was the 54th highest-selling book on the top 300 for October.

Way, way, wAAAAAAAAAAAy beyond cancellation status, especially for DC.
 

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Posted by Mr. Kayak on :
 

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Originally posted by Jo Nah TMK:
what in Rucka's interview makes you say that the Supergirl won't be the same one?

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i just don't think that DC would publish two series using the name "Supergirl" in their titles but featuring two different characters with the same name. From a marketing perspective, it just doesn't make sense.

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wasn't there a time, not so far ago, when DC had two or three supergirls at the same time?
i agree with you about the marketing part. but what if DC brings back the multiple earths with infinite crisis? if so, the legion could live on another earth (say, earth prime) with their own supergirl. weren't there, before CoIE, a few series set on alternative earths like earth-2?
 

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Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
 
I...I don't know what to think. Can someone think for me? Does this mean the superpets are back too? Is Supergirl gonna make out with her horse again?
 

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Posted by Fat Cramer on :
 
Now that would boost sales...

My initial reaction was not too thrilled, but why condemn it before reading? If I'd heard about Andromeda before she apppeared, I would have been very negative - but she became a favoured character.

Maybe the title "change" is just for one issue - or maybe DC is getting into the Grandin Gender Reversal Punch - the Whip, Bulleteer, Supergirl & the LSH....
 

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Posted by SouthtownKid on :
 

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Originally posted by CreativityKid:
Well said, Arachne.

I'd rather Supergirl simply join the team, and be featured on some covers, than to give her top billing.

Giving her top billing changes the book's identity. It becomes part of the Superman Family. Which is great for sales, but bad for those of us who simply aren't interested in their adventures.

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Originally posted by Igee The Mighty:
I just don't like the uncertainty of it. I've just gotten over to "trauma" of a rebooted Legion, then it seems we're heading towars what seems like a new 'boot again... :-\

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Igee, be of good cheer. A "retitling" doesn't necessarily mean a reboot - no more than retitling Superboy/LSH to LSH or LSH to 'The Legion' were reboots. Anything's possible these days, and it's easy to think the worst, but everything Barry's said on this board in recent weeks suggests that this new development is part of his and Waid's scheme, especially this statement just 11 days ago:

"We're still very early days in our big picture for the Legion, I think a few things in the 'groundwork' are beginning to 'pay off' but rest assured everything that happens is part of the 'grand plan'..."

Not to mention his cruel teasing about the still unseen cover of issue #16.

Supergirl, the Multiverse, the pre-Crisis Legion, the 3boot Legion, etc. I think they're all part of WaK's secret recipe.
 

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Posted by wamu2 on :
 

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Originally posted by Tromium:
Not to mention his cruel teasing about the still unseen cover of issue #16.

Supergirl, the Multiverse, the pre-Crisis Legion, the 3boot Legion, etc. I think they're all part of WaK's secret recipe.

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secret recipe... So just like KFC has secret herbs and spieces, Supergirl will spice up the LSH.

I don't know what to make of this. I have heard about this new Supergirl, but I haven't read any stories with her. so at worst I guess I feel meh about the character.

will supergirl increase sales? maybe, but for how long?
 

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Posted by SouthtownKid on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
But... Supergirl? Besides the fact that she was never more than a minor player in the Legion, any gap left by her absence was more than adequately filled by Laurel.

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There you go, you just got pre-boot Brainy crying again, and right after we finally got him calmed down.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Wow...to be honest, I'm not bothered by this at all, if it indeed is true. I much prefer Supergirl and Superman when he was a boy in the Legion, and don't really want to see Kon-El, Power Girl or Laurel Gand around.

I think bringing in new readers is very much a good thing. And I trust Waid and Barry in that this will be nicely done and very interesting.

Not sure about retitling it though...but I could probably live with it. The only concern would be her involvement might take away more screen time from other members, and to me the most important thing right now is filling the Legion roster with long-lost Legionnaires and keeping them there for a long run.

I will of course buy the title and look forward to it expecting a positive experience in reading it. We'll see...

(It's weird being a dissident from the majority opinion around here in regards to the Legion! )
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Here's scenes from Supergirl's (re)debut to the DCU in SUPERMAN/BATMAN #13.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
So this is all Yellow Kid's fault:

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Originally posted by Yellow Kid:
She needs to join the Legion for a 6 issue story arc so I can get a Supergirl/Legion TPB drawn by Barry Kitsonfor next Christmas.

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I think the biggest problem I have with this whole thing is that it seems really gimmicky. In the same way that so much stuff associated with the previous incarnation of the team seemed gimmicky. It really sounds to me like the "Let's revisit the Legion's past but add a hokie twist" kind of attitude that ruined things the last time around. Yeah, Superboy and the Legion was popular thirty years ago, so let's bring that back, only make it Supergirl and the Legion!

I would also worry about what happens once Supergirl's popularity starts to plunge. When they start deciding that maybe she doesn't need to be headlining two titles, which one are they going to get rid of?

[ November 27, 2005, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 

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Originally posted by wamu2:
will supergirl increase sales? maybe, but for how long?

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It's not only about sales. It's not only about Supergirl, and whether or not we like her right now. There's a much bigger picture here. The LSH has been a continuity backwater for 20 years, with few visitors except diehard fans. As much as some readers love that comfortable isolation, it has to end for the sake of long-term survival. If the creators succeed in restoring the Legion's severed ties to the Superman family and its full-fledged membership in the DCU, the problem of sales will probably correct itself. Putting up with Supergirl (who isn't nearly as wretched as some people make her out to be) sounds like a fair price to pay for the chance to live in the mainstream universe again.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I simply don't have enough information to form an opinion on it as yet. And I don't feel like working myself up by speculating.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The past incarnation of the Legion was chock-full of efforts at connecting the Legion to the current DCU, and none of them were successful. Team 20? Ick. Ra's Al-Ghul? Double-Ick. Kon-el in the Legion? Triple-Ick.

The original Legion was always in somewhat of a "continuity backwater". Sure it was heavily tied to Superboy, but Superboy himself was set fifteen years before the rest of the DCU. The connections to the mainstream DCU were really just through the fact that Superman had once been a member, when he was a boy, with the exception of Supergirl, who was rarely around, and some rather forced incidents like the JSA/JLA/Legion crossover, which always seemed weird using the teen Legion for.

Assuming that this is the current Supergirl, and that she will also be continuing in her present title set in the current DCU, means the Legion is directly tied, on a monthly basis, to whatever happens in the present day DCU in a way that has never been, with the exception of the horrible Team 20 storyline.

[ November 27, 2005, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
...unless we're talking about two distinct, different Supergirl's. Which is why I put issues #5 & #6 on the main page. TWO Supergirl's. Maybe our's will be a non-crappy version.

One can hope.

Oh! And for a refresher course on Supergirl's past and present, I've found her Wikipedia article very helpful.

[ November 27, 2005, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
Is it about sales? Yes. But with Waid you never know. I honestly thought it was only a matter of time before Waid fit in Superboy...I was wrong. It was Supergirl.

Will Supergirl's popularity last? What do you think?

Is it ALL about sales? No. If it was the Legion would've had more of a broad appeal. I never liked the JSA...when Robinson, Goyer, and Johns decided to give it a bit more broad appeal and even a "alternative" feel like Starman...it clicked. The JSA never had the following the Legion had. Atleast not since most of us have been born.

The Young Justice teeny Legion has not sold. Be it the Zero Hour Legion or this Legion. The Adventure did sell with Superboy. But there was a very popular Legion there for about 15 years that did sell well...with Superboy/Supergirl NOT as the main attraction.

Again lots of the new Crisis stuff seems to be erasing some of the pass. I would take Supergirl gladly if it's the Earth1 Supergirl...and the precrisis Legion. By precrisis I mean circa 80 to 85...not 1967.

As NC said maybe it's a different Supergirl...but I doubt it.
 

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Posted by Starbucks Kid on :
 
I really wish I hadn't clicked on this thread. I'm in a bad mood now.

Be sure and bring back Lori Morning and that dial H for Hero crap too, Waid! (sarcasm)
 

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Posted by Infectious Drura on :
 
My first reaction to this was bad to say the least. But not very surprised. Yes, the Legion is going to be a supporting cast for a Super-person again. Bah. The one element of my beloved silver age Legion that I never liked.

But I am a diehard Legion fan, and there simply isn't that many of us anymore for whatever reason. DC are not a charity as we all know. They aren't going to keep a floundering title artistically pure just for us, the ever tiny band of Legion fans, more's the pity.

At least it's not entirely without precedent in Legion history. But it's hard to escape the conclusion that your favourite series has just been demoted to supporting cast of flavour of the month status. Bah humbug.

If it's either this or no Legion at all, I guess I can live with it. But I don't like it.
 

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Posted by Sketch Kid on :
 
We get a new Legion ... buy into it and deal with the changes ... learn to accept it and enjoy it ... along comes Infinite Crisis and the shock waves start to spread and now this ... SUPERGIRL and the Legion of Superheros ... do we get two books ... one SG & the LSH and the LSH ... OR two books, SG and SG & the LSH ... I don't know ... I GIVE THE "F" UP trying to figure out where we're going!
 

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Posted by Blue Battler on :
 
You know, I always liked having Superboy in the
Legion ... it gave a 20th Century Eye to the
30th Century ... and it was neat to see Superman
learning the tricks of the hero trade.

The thing that I think they should have done
Pre-Crisis that they never did was allow him
to age along with the Legion. It's not like
he did all that much during his college
career where he couldn't have been part of
the Legion... and that was a time in the
Pre-Crisis Superman's life-- post Smallville
and the Kents and pre-Meteropolis and Daily
Planet-- that wasn't covered much.

I haven't read much about the new Supergirl.
Is she supposed to be from the same version
of Krytpon as Byrne came up with? 'Cause
that's sure not an outfit that I'd picture
one of those Kryptonians wearing ...
 

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Posted by Barry Kitson on :
 
Hi Guys
Boy you get worked up before you read a story!

Sorry not to have been around, but I've been visiting my parents over Thanksgiving. Hope you all had a good holiday.

Well I guess Dan has let the cat out of the bag - yes - Supergirl will be in issue #16 (whether we actually play with a logo for an issue or two you'll have to wait and see - I thought it might be fun)

As I said the seeds for all that's about to happen were sown right from the preview and the appearance or not of Supergirl and other Legionnaires past/present and future are all part of the big scheme... it'll all make perfect sense by issue #36...or was it #63?

Anyway - hopefully when you read the story you'll actually enjoy it!

Just remember LSH had been a thousand (well 999 years) post IC since issue #1!

[ November 28, 2005, 06:55 AM: Message edited by: Barry Kitson ]
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
Barry, thanks for confirming that this development is all a part of your master plan, and we need not worry about you and Mark changing course or leaving. I wish Dan had consulted with you before spilling the beans because all it did was generate a lot of unnecessary confusion. In view of the Legion's wonky relaunch and reboot history, it's little wonder people get nervous when confronted with unexpected news like this and tend to think the worst. As his penance for agitating us, Dan must allow an early preview of the cover of #16.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm willing to give the Supergirl Legion a fair chance because I believe you have the Legion's best interests at heart. First order of the day is a new and improved costume for her 31st century adventures, right??
 

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Posted by jimgallagher on :
 
I'm excited about the possibility of Supergirl joining the Legion. It's the real deal Kryptonian Kara Zor-El too. I never accepted Andromeda as a Supergirl substitute. The original girl of steel was robbed of her rightful place in the Legion and I never did understand why. Maybe this will be a chance to rectify that.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Playing with the logo for an issue or two I don't have a problem with.

And as long as Supergirl's being back happens in the same way as Blok and Dawnstar's being back, i.e. as part of the "greatest heroes of the multiverse" idea, I don't thing I have a problem with it.

I hope we get a better idea of what the "master plan" is supposed to be before too much longer, though.
 

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Posted by Barry Kitson on :
 
Well rest assured it the Legion at the center of the plan...as to whether you'll get an idea of what it is or not.... wouldn't that spoil the surprise?

[ November 28, 2005, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Barry Kitson ]
 

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Posted by Abin Quank on :
 
Ahhh BUT Which Legion, Barry, Which Legion?
 

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Posted by Barry Kitson on :
 
I'd like to give a really zen answer - along the lines of there any many but only one, grasshopper, we are legion are we not?...but then it didn't make sense to anyone but me...so...wait and see!
 

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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 
Well, one thing's for sure. Supergirl and Light Lass are going to have to have a little throw-down, a battle of the bare midriffs.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
This has obviously been planned since the get-go... the bare-belly motif is a dead giveaway...
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I loved pretty much every Supergirl appearance I ever read in the Legion. In fact, aside from her death in the original "Crisis," the ONLY Supergirl stories I liked were Legion stories. The Great Darkness denouement(sic?) scene between Supergirl and Brainiac 5 is one of my all-time favorites. The Legion always seemed to give Supergirl some gravitas that she lacked until her death in Crisis. Here she was, as powerful a being as you can imagine, but still always in Superman's shadow. Someone whose only family was a super-serious overgrown boyscout. The Legion allowed Kara at least 2 very wonderful things. First, it gave her a chance to be just one of the club, but a member well-respected for role in Super-history. The orphan had a place to feel at home in, a place where she could be "just one of the gals." Second, she could pal around with her surrogate father when he was a boy. Who hasn't daydreamed of knowing her parents when they were younger, cooler and more fun? I sure hope Supergirl's new appearances with the Legion are as fun. I have to admit that I am not sure I "get" the new Supergirl. Maybe her appearances with the Legion will change that.
 

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Posted by Vee on :
 
To be honest, this makes a great deal of sense to me and has right from the inro of the new Supergirl. She needs a place to learn how to be a hero and be away from Superman's blatant supervision (no joke intended...okay, maybe a little one )

What better place for her than in the Legion, where she can be with others like her and they can all do some growing up together.

Of course, I still hope that she is only one of many new faces we will be seeing as members shortly. The cover with Blok and Dawny gives me great hope that we will see the rest of my favs in short order.

Barry, how long do I have to hold my breath?
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Hopefully Barry has reassured those of you completely freaking out... .

At this point, anything that might get some new readers is okay with me, short of Batman and the LSH. I want new readers! New minds to warp here at LegionWorld. Brains! BRRRAAAAIIINNNNSSS!

But seriously, how many people bought LSH just because of Superboy being in the title? Every little bit helps.
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
Barry's calmed me down. I guess. But what's the fun of reading those kind of teases if we can't run off the handle with crazy speculations, portents of doom and pulling out of hair?
 

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Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
 

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Originally posted by Barry Kitson:
... we are legion are we not?...

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
Portfolio Boy may think he's joking but I think he makes a lot of sense. I've been wondering for a while if this Legion wasn't in standard DC continuity. Check out the caption of the start of the final Brainy-and-Theena scene in #11 and compare it to the caption at the start of the backup story... something weird going on here.

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I agree with this theory. It fits well with the recurring implication that the Legionnaires in the plaza are symbolic of the actual readers.
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
Barry has help calm me down a bit. I get very passionate about the Legion.

I've always said if it's part of a big plan to make things like they were I am down.

I have no problems if Superboy prime shows up...as long as the rest of his Legion does as well. Is this Supergirl-Prime? And if the title change is just a few issues I have no problem with it either.
 

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Posted by kcekada on :
 
I'm not crazy about this development for a couple of reasons.

1) I don't like the idea of a name change to a title that just reached its first anniversary.

2) I don't like that the Legion is being demoted in their own book. Heck, wasn't Supergirl's promotion to Adventure Comics in the 60s the reason Legion was without a regular home for several years?!

3) The Modern Age Supergirl hasn't even been developed yet. I know the books she's connected to are selling --- but the character seems to be more of a gimmick than anything.

On the other hand, there may be one good reason to hitch Legion to Supergirl.

Bring in new readers. Way back when I was first exposed to Legion, it was because they were in the back of a Superboy book. The Modern Age Superboy doesn't have a book of his own currently, but Supergirl does. I guess DC believes the book will continue to do well and teaming her with Legion will be good for business.

Regarding Laurel Gand -- she's a Kara Zor-El clone. Don't really see the need for both she and Kara. I guess the same could be said of Mon-El, but he never seemed to be Superboy-lite, whereas Laurel did.

I highly doubt Power Girl will get a name change and come to the future. DC believes in the current Supergirl, they aren't about to add a new one to the mix.
 

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Posted by kcekada on :
 
Oh, just saw Barry's responses. I feel a bit better now. If this just isn't a gimmick (and I hope the Dawnstar/Blok/Tyroc cover isn't a similar gimmick, but is something planned to make some positive changes in the book -- fine!

If Supergirl brings some much-needed fun, and more action to the title -- so much the better!!
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
The original Supergirl only appeared in 15 issues of ACTION COMICS before encountering the Legion. Also, according to lore, she joined the team before Superboy. Who I believe will be next to join shortly there after.

I think the creative team is trying to re-establish the Legion's roots and I'll reserve judgement on their progress after I read the stories in question.
 

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Posted by googoomuck on :
 

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Originally posted by Barry Kitson:
Well rest assured it the Legion at the center of the plan...as to whether you'll get an idea of what it is or not.... wouldn't that spoil the surprise?

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Barry,

You have my permission to spoil one surprise.
 

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Posted by Barry Kitson on :
 
I don't recall saying the big plan was 'to make things they way they were' - do we do intend to to keep things moving forward!

I also said right at the outset - hard to believe that was over a year ago - that we wanted to respect the LSH legacy and not dismiss the past...the appearance of Supergirl and all that it leads to might just be the start of how we fulfil (or at least try our best to) keep that pledge
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
Speaking of "clues". I read a few issues yesterday. Nothing big jumped out at me...but a few small things did.

The rings. I think there may be something there. The material lets them remember the other timelines? I am not sure.

The teen crowd. We saw the White Witch and I think Wildfire. We thought they were nods by Barry...but can it be something else? Anyways the teen crowd/fans I think may be part of a bigger plan possibly.

The headquarters. What it used to be? The posters? The concert poster of 2071 looked like something that would be in 1971. We saw one poster with Ferro Lad and possibly Dawnstar.

The comics. They may be for other reasons besides making bald/overweight middle aged men happy. JK.

I thought of few possibilities. Whatever it is I hope it pays off. The rising action is slow and thus I have high hopes. Waid may be a genius in by issue #17 or not.
 

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Posted by Ambient-Noise Boy on :
 
At the end of the day I've enjoyed all Legion eras, so I'm cool with this. I do have one concern, which is that after years and years of feeling like a mad person as the only Legion fan, others are all interested.
My friends and quite a few other people have gotten into the new Legion, so as long as it doesn't confuse them or put them off reading LSH, I'm looking forward to it.

Maybe Supergirl is simply the 'modern' (31st century) version of Supergirl. We've had only a handful of characters based on their 20th/21st century predecessors. Thunder and the like. Maybe the new one is a combination of Laurel Gand/Andromeda and Supergirl? That could be cool.

Charlie E/N
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
I would love a 31st century Supergirl...a daxamite even! Not Laurel. Brand new. Brown hair. Inverted colors of Supergirl...like Mon-El. Now that would be really cool.


 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Why can't the Daxamite 30th century inverted-colors Supergirl be Laurel?
 

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Posted by Don Jorge del Oeste on :
 
MLLASH, I am a Laurel fan as well. And I agree it could be. But as some stated she is somewhat a Supergirl clone. I can see DC deciding to avoid Laurel...especially with Power Girl fiasco as well. I think it would be cool to have an new Supergirl that actually looks different than the SG, PG, and Laurel.

But as I said I'm a Laurel fan! I like Daxamites not Krypts! I would lover her back.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Okay, I'll love her front.
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Jeepers, Simultaneous lovin from opposite directions by message board fanboys?

The Laurel I know, wouldn't take that. Though the world of hurt inflicted could be good for a laugh or two.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Will she be wearing the TMK butt floss? Then Jorge will be in the catbird seat...
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
I don't know if I like the sound of this. I don't want Supergirl taking panel space away from the rest of the team.

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If it had been Power Girl drawing attention away from the others, she would need more than one panel, at least
 

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