Hi, this is actually my first post on this board, but I am a long time fan of the Legion, and I am also a big fan of the new series and hope that it can last.
Now for the purpose of my message...
Is Karate Kid a new member of the JLA?
In the latest issue of Wizard, there is a large pic of about 40 or so heroes that are shown as being potential members of the new JLA. Way in the back of the team pic is Karate Kid (current version). I wonder if there isn't a Kara/Val swap in the near future...
Any insight from anyone?
--Tim
[ January 03, 2006, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
HI Cotton King.
Can't answer your question, but I can say "Welcome to Legion World!"
I hope it's not KK. These time swaps never went over well with me.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Wow. Nice catch.
The image is a bit suspect since Dr. Fate is no longer alive and no longer looks that way. I hope they aren't changing Green Arrow's outfit to that. Yuck.
Posted by rhino MLLASH on :
KK switching eras isn't without precedent.
And DC *does* seem to be on a bit of a 70s jag lately....
LET THE SPECULATION RUN RAMPANT!!!!
Posted by Vee on :
Some other interesting inclusions in that picture as well as some very interesting omissions.
I see Tempest, Troia, & Cyborg but no Nightwing Arsenal or Starfire. Could it mean that Dick, Kory & Roy don't survice IC? Or is that maybe Dick wearing the Bat cowl as has been speculated?
Both Supergirl & Power Girl are on that cover. Maybe Kara will only be a part time, time traveling Legionnaire (as in the original Legion)
Is that The Guardian in the center just above Cyborg's left shoulder? That would be cool. Cooler still if that was actually Mal Duncan (who was the Guardian prior to being Herald.
Nice to see Red Tornado in the picture next to Ralph (who seems to be wearing fishnet stockings at first glance, though I imagine that means Zatanna is standing next to him off cover )
Is that the new Blue Beetle below KK or is it maybe Bummblebee in a new version of her outfit?
Also nice to see Adam Strange, Black Lightning and the Phantom Stranger included. They have long been JLA allies (and quasi members)
Four Lanterns are depicted (Hal, Kyle, John & Guy) so I guess they all survived IC)
Is that Wally or Bart (or maybe even Barry)? Enquiring minds want to know!
You can just make out Booster's arm and lower torso, just above the partial body of Diana, so it appears they both survived also.
And finally, is that Metamorpho or Shift? Hmmmmmm...
As for those not depicted...
Besides Dick, Roy and Kory (already mentioned) I find it odd that Barda isn't there next to Mr Miracle. And there is no Superboy (but I wouldn't necessarily expect him to be up for JLA membership) But most surprising, and of most concern to me, there is no Matian Manhunter and no Capt. Marvel Jr!
Posted by Vee on :
PS: Who is the dark skinned femal below Fate and next to Kendra? Almost looks like Dani Moonstar! Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: PS: Who is the dark skinned femal below Fate and next to Kendra? Almost looks like Dani Moonstar!
That's Vixen
quote:Originally posted by Vee: I see Tempest, Troia, & Cyborg but no Nightwing Arsenal or Starfire.
Is that Arsenal behind the "M" in "America"?
quote:Originally posted by Vee: Is that the new Blue Beetle below KK or is it maybe Bummblebee in a new version of her outfit?
Looks like the new Blue Beetle.
Other interesting tidbits: I love that the Question is there. Less so that he's colored brown instead of blue.
I like that they have Capt Atom in his silver look - the Kingdom Come looks he has now is ugly.
There's a little person on Ralph's shoulder (the Atom?), but s/he's almost completely in shadow. Hmmm...
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
Well I just spoiled myself a bit and got the trade so now I'm only 6 or so issues behind everyone else.
I reiterate everything anyone ever said about those issues.
But I didn't see any hints of time traveling. Maybe that's what the spinner racks are for?
Posted by CaLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Is that Arsenal behind the "M" in "America"?
It might be. Does Arsenal have an Omega on his belt?
There are definitely inconsistencies here, though, because Dr. Light (the chick) and Captain Atom shouldn't be able to be in the Justice League.
I'm happy to see Fire, though!! I like her. And Kyle. And a Flash that is too tall to be Bart. Uhm... yeah.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
In "JSA:Classified" #2, Lightning Lad said: "I told Brainiac 5 the time traveling was going to mess with her head. Look at what it did to Karate Kid."
That ended up not being the real Lightning Lad(?), but this could be either a clue or a red herring. Even if KK doesn't end up in the JLA, at least it appears that he will be "present" and availlable [SIC?] for membership consideration.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
Man, I so wanna see KK kick Batman's ass!
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
BTW, that's not a cover. It's an image Wizard commisioned for this article that speculates on Brad Meltzer's upcoming JLA series.
In other words, they could have asked for anybody to appear in it.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
Whose hand do you think it is holding the membership notices, or whatever they are?
Nice spotting on the 'little person' perching on Elongated Man's shoulder-- I missed that completely.
Now I want to see Ralph adopt a costume with fishnets ...
Is that Shilo in the Mr. Miracle costume, or Scott?
Hope Ollie's readoption of this uniform isn't long-lasting. If he *had* to go back to a different look, I'd rather he went all the way back to the GA look over this one. The 70's costume is the one to stick with, IMO.
Guardian, KKid and the 'little person' are the surprises to me.
The trouble with an image like this one is that whatever lineup is actually settled upon could pale in comparison.
I hope they go for a JL Unlimited-like roster. It'd be kind of interesting if *some* Titans or Outsiders or Doom Patrollers were simultaneously League members. Some openly, some in secret?
[ December 24, 2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Mystery Lad ]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Also, the only two missing in the fold (Sorry!) is Wonder Woman and Booster Gold.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by CaLASH: And a Flash that is too tall to be Bart. Uhm... yeah.
Hey! Good point. I got used to the idea of multiple Flashes when Waid wrote Flash a few years ago, it'd be pretty cool to see somebody else take that idea and work it into the JLA again.
quote:Originally posted by Vee: is that Metamorpho or Shift? Hmmmmmm...
A
I thought it was the Ultra-Alien ...ultra-something..
Don't know why though, what would he be doing in a JLA promo image?
..and really, that's the new Blue Beetle? One that carries the scarab and has super-powers?
edit: Ralph does look like he's taking "a walk on the wild side"
[ December 24, 2005, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Yellow Kid ]
Posted by MYG on :
I'd have a huge problem with any of the Legionnaires leaving the 31st Century to join the JLA!!! Karate Kid belongs with the Legion...besides, just like someone said earlier, these swaps never work out, unless it's Superboy or Supergirl going to assist the LSH!!!
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
This probably doesn't mean anything, but what's Green Arrow holding in his hand??
Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
that's a cool promo picture, excellent art by ED BENES !!
i'd love for the JLofA to be a big group like it used to be, and they just have to have that original logo back [ in the shield shape ]
not sure what to make of the Karate Kid trade off ??
but still looking forward to seeing what comes up .........
Matthew.
Posted by Omni Craig on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004: This probably doesn't mean anything, but what's Green Arrow holding in his hand??
I thought it looked like the head on a trick arrow, but who knows...
Posted by Star Boy on :
Hmmmm.... I see it's the Justice League of America again, hey? Does that mean that Aussies like me don't get no protection no more? What a rip.
Oh yeah - that Guardian is the one from Seven Soldiers... Hmmmmm. I liked that character, and am intrigued as to the implications of choices like that. Of course, this is just a promo piece, but...
[ December 26, 2005, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: Star Boy ]
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: PS: Who is the dark skinned femal below Fate and next to Kendra? Almost looks like Dani Moonstar!
It's funny they say they are not trying to be like the animated JLU with a big lineup. Yet Vixen (the one in question) looks very similiar to her JLU self here.
Personally I think it's a good idea. I love seeing the big lineup in the cartoon. I mean watching the cowboy Vigilante fighting Thanagarians on an alien planet? Nice.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Back to KK being in the JLA? Geez, I am very against interacting with the 21st century. It's all the same mistakes they did the first time.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: It's funny they say they are not trying to be like the animated JLU with a big lineup. Yet Vixen (the one in question) looks very similiar to her JLU self here.
And you know there's no way the Question would've been included in that shot if it weren't for the cartoon. I wonder how much leeway the artist had in terms of who to include?
For an article about Meltzer's JLA, lookee here: The Pulse
[ December 27, 2005, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Kid Cobalt on :
I figure its a promo piece, so it doesn't mean much.
Still, like others, I like the idea of a big JLA like this, with all the traditional big guns, and some secondary characters too that really get a chance to shine. Though perhaps a limit at some point?
I have to say that I really like the idea of the SS Guardian being in the JLA too if that were to come to pass.
And you know what? I actually kind of like KK in the JLA, but wouldn't he belong in the Titans? I certainly don't want any teenagers in the JLA. The idea of strong Legion connections to the past through Supergirl, Karate Kid, Mon-El and Superman when he was a boy is very pleasing to me--even after all the screw-ups over the years that have resulted from such things.
Posted by rtvu2 on :
Well since one's done one yet... here is the breakdown of heroes we see according to my eye. Starting top left..
Animal Man, Fire, Arsenal?, Firehawk, Ion, Metamorpho, Mister Miracle, Adam Strange, Guy, the Mahattan Gurdian, Tempest, new Blue Beattle, Karate Kid, Dr Fate, Troia, Question, Firestorm, Dr Light II, someone with blonde hair?
Next row from the left....
Aquaman, Power Girl, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Phantom Stranger, Huntress, Black Lighting, Captain Atom, Cyborg, Hawkman, Booster Gold-but why can't you see his face?, Vixen, Hawkgirl, Red Torando, Atom, Elgonated Man and Zantanna.
Bottom Row....
Green Lantern Hal Jordan, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Flash, Green Lantern John Stwert, Wonder Woman - but why no face again?, Batman and Superman.
Two Questions then....
So we have all everyone but one curical memeber of every JL. Where the heck is J'onn J'onzz?
Qho is the hand that is giving them the cards?
Posted by Abin Quank on :
I'm just amazed that no one has commented on the fact that whoever scanned in that cover, or drawing, folded it over to hide some of the details.
Look at the lettering, instead of the character drawings...
What is being hidden? and why?
Posted by Arachne on :
quote:Originally posted by rtvu2: So we have all everyone but one curical memeber of every JL. Where the heck is J'onn J'onzz?
They don't want give away what's going to happen to him in IC.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
quote:Originally posted by Kid Cobalt:
And you know what? I actually kind of like KK in the JLA, but wouldn't he belong in the Titans? I certainly don't want any teenagers in the JLA.
I say thee nay! That's my main problem with the teenagers thing. IMO the Legion is the JLA of the 31st century. Heck, they can be the JLA, JSA, and the Teen Titans since they are a Legion! I hate forcing them into just teenagers. My Legion was the brightest and the best of the 31st century...like the JLA. Waid thinks the teenager thing is a primary element...I don't.
Also Supergirl(Kara) was never a Teen Titan that I know of. But she was in the JLA (as well as Legion).
[ December 27, 2005, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: Ultra Jorge ]
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
I agree that the teen element isn't so crucial to what my notion of the Legion is. Having a wider range of ages would've been a cool way to reinvent the Legion but I do like that Waid changed things up, reimagining the Legion as a social movement and that there are thousands of Legionnaires now.
As for teens in the JLA, I'm not against the concept, as long as the JLA remains the top tier level of heroes on the planet - I've never been into the JLA lineups that were filled with unproven talent. (bwa-ha-ha JL aside cuz it was just funny, but it didn't really seem like the *JLA* until they added some power).
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: Also Supergirl(Kara) was never a Teen Titan that I know of. But she was in the JLA (as well as Legion).
Kara wasn't but Supergirl (Matrix) was. And isn't she still around somewhere?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: I'm just amazed that no one has commented on the fact that whoever scanned in that cover, or drawing, folded it over to hide some of the details.
Look at the lettering, instead of the character drawings...
What is being hidden? and why?
I'm the one who scanned it in. Wizard magazine is bound in a way that makes it hard to spread out and the only things that are missing are:
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: Also, the only two missing in the fold (Sorry!) is Wonder Woman and Booster Gold.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Me thinks Abin has been watching Conspiracy Theory too much. Posted by Abin Quank on :
Darn it Gary, you could have mentioned that earlier...
**Grumble, Grumble, Grumble**
Now I gotta go back to my hand-drawn maps of the grassy knoll...
[ December 28, 2005, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Abin Quank ]
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Okay, had to go out today and hunt down a copy but here is the full image so everyone can see what was 'missing'.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: Darn it Gary, you could have mentioned that earlier...
**Grumble, Grumble, Grumble**
Now I gotta go back to my hand-drawn maps of the grassy knoll...
Like Abin wasn't there the first time around. Riiiiight. Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
I am so totally flumoxed by the thing next to Dr Light's head -- is that Dr Mid-Nite's owl or something, I mean -- what is that?!?! Posted by Vee on :
I think you're right Drake, that could well be the owl. Only other thing I can come up with is another Hawk's headgear...but both Hawkgirl and Hawkman are depicted already.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Not unless his owl is metal. I thought it was Skeet.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I think it's supposed to be the Demon.
Scott, how did you get the full image without ripping the pages out of the book? (Or did you? )
[ December 31, 2005, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Could it be Orion's helmet?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: I think it's supposed to be the Demon.
Scott, how did you get the full image without ripping the pages out of the book? (Or did you? )
Its only Wizard. I usually rip them up for pictures anyway. If you look close enough you can see where I can never get the colors to match exactly when piecing two images together. For some reason one is always darker color even when I don't change the settings.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare: Could it be Orion's helmet?
Could be. I don't think it is anything organic because you can see the metallic flash on it.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
I agree. Orion was a member; was Etrigan ever one?
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare: Could it be Orion's helmet?
Could be. I don't think it is anything organic because you can see the metallic flash on it.
From the linework I don't think it's metallic. The computer coloring is modeled enough to be misleading (one of the things I hate about computer coloring in the wrong hands is when they make everything look shiny), but I don't see it as metallic flash - it's not as shiny as how the colorist rendered the other metallic objects. (why am I starting to feel like we're examining the Zapruder film?) If there's a version out there without the title over it, we might have an answer.
I also don't see how it could be Orion's helmet -- his helmet's silver (unless he has another one).
[ January 01, 2006, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: DrakeB3004 ]
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
After some online research, I found a clean (and larger) version that answers the question. here's the link: JLA A-ha!!
[ January 01, 2006, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: DrakeB3004 ]
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
I'll be darned...it IS an owl. Good eye.
The illusion of Ralph wearing fishnets is shattered by the full image of Zatanna...and it was SUCH a giggle...
The "bigger" image answers most of the previous questions however in typical comic book mystery fashion I see there's a NEW mysterious figure in the pic.
SO ...on to round TWO! Posted by Cotton King on :
Well, I am back again since I made the original post about this topic, and I have been entertained by the very good detective work by you guys here. But I have a new one to add. Go to the link posted just a few posts before this one by I think DrakeB3004, and page down the webpage below the colored version of the JLA pic, and you will see the uncolored inked version, and guess what... Karate Kid is not in the pic...!
Curiouser and curiouser...
Have fun with this one guys...!
--Tim
P.S. Barry, if you are tuning in to these messages, feel free to post any teaser comments... Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Kid: The "bigger" image answers most of the previous questions however in typical comic book mystery fashion I see there's a NEW mysterious figure in the pic.
I wouldn't think much of that character, but if it weren't for the fact that "the Atom" (or whoever) is also draped in shadow... i duuno. There's so little to go on with that figure though, it's almost pointless (but when has that ever stopped us?)
Also, good catch Cotton King - interesting tidbit (he also make John Stewart bald originally...)
Posted by Omni Craig on :
So the new figure in the upper left corner is either someone in shadow, or Wildcat (since his uniform is that coloring...).
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
Uh- I still see Karate Kid in the link in DrakeB3004's post.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
Oops- sorry, I didn't closely read your post Cotton King. The b&w shot indeed *doesn't* include KKid. Wonder which came first and if it matters?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Update from Comics Continuum on the JLU appearance by the Legion:
The Legion of Super-Heroes will be featured along with Supergirl in an upcoming episode of Cartoon Network's Justice League Unlimited.
In the episode, Supergirl is kidnapped to the 31st century for what the history books say was her last adventure. The Fatal Five appears, as do more than 20 Legionaires.
Among the Legion members in the episode are Brainiac 5 and Bouncing Boy.
The Legion's appearance has nothing to do with the Legion show in development at Warner Bros. Animation. Posted by superboymddjr on :
yipeee!!!!!! ANY Legion will do, can't wait to see Bouncing Boy!!! YeAAHHHHHHH!!!! *happy dancing*
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
I love JLU!!!
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: ... Legion show in development at Warner Bros. Animation.[/i]
I just keep reading this phrase over and over Posted by Mr. Kayak on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: ... Legion show in development at Warner Bros. Animation.[/i]
I just keep reading this phrase over and over
me too Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I have so much to look forward to now.
Good to see that neither Kimiyo nor Cap were forgotten.
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by Omni Craig: So the new figure in the upper left corner is either someone in shadow, or Wildcat (since his uniform is that coloring...).
Not so fast! My first thought was "Well, that's where Nightwing is in this shot." It only makes sense since Tempest, Troia, Arsenal, & Cyborg are there that Dick would appear as well.
I will admit it COULD be Wildcat but my money is on Nightwing.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Sort of an update on the schedule. A rep from the Cartoon Network said that there are no plans to air the final nine episodes until late spring/summer. No definitive dates have been set.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Bouncing Boy--- YESSSSSSSSSS!
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
yay fer BB! Wasn't he shown for like a second in the Superman TAS Legion? He was like lounging around or something...
Posted by Size Lad on :
Clues are supposedly present throughout the first 12 issues as to some of the questions that have been raised.
With regard to Karate Kid & the JLA, I think there's a clue in #12 when Ultra Boy asks of Karate Kid if the way Jo is fighting is the way Superman would have done it.
Seems to me that the implication is that Karate Kid has first-hand knowledge of Superman.
Posted by Stratum on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: Sort of an update on the schedule. A rep from the Cartoon Network said that there are no plans to air the final nine episodes until late spring/summer. No definitive dates have been set.
I was afraid of that. I check CN's site over the weekend to find out what time the show started on the 8th and found it is NOT on their schedule.
I will never understand why this show does not get the love from CN. It is arguably the best animated TV show on TV right now. Watch the Booster Gold episode and you'll see what I mean.
Back on Topic, I'm sure that it is indeed Arsenal on the right of Fire. It is much clearer when you see it in Wizard.
Jamie Wishes they would issue JL and JLU as boxed sets.
[ January 04, 2006, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Stratum ]
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
ok now that Drake has posted the bigger version, who is the mysterious figure is shadow next to Animal Man and behind Aquaman?? since J'onn is not in the Pic could it be him?? Hmmmmmmmmm,...........
Posted by Joe-Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Kid: The "bigger" image answers most of the previous questions however in typical comic book mystery fashion I see there's a NEW mysterious figure in the pic.
I wouldn't think much of that character, but if it weren't for the fact that "the Atom" (or whoever) is also draped in shadow... i duuno. There's so little to go on with that figure though, it's almost pointless (but when has that ever stopped us?)
Also, good catch Cotton King - interesting tidbit (he also make John Stewart bald originally...)
The Guy in yhe Gimp suit? yeah who is that?
Posted by Ferro Man on :
It's probably someone named Echo. Wasn't THAT dissapointing? (I almost mistyped Ech instead. Heh.)
Posted by Ultra Boy on :
Looks like some heroes got changed in the final product.
And I just noticed: Why does Arsenal/Speedy have a Robin R on his belt buckle?
[ August 23, 2006, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: Quislet, Esq. ]
Posted by rouge on :
quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.: And I just noticed: Why does Arsenal/Speedy have a Robin R on his belt buckle?
Because it's Rsenal now. That's how all the cool kids at DC editorial spell it.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Isn't he going to be 'Red Arrow'?
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by wayniac5: Looks like it was a red herring. got the first issue....zero LSH content....
Well... it does mention Legion flight rings
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Awkward Pause Boy:
quote:Originally posted by wayniac5: Looks like it was a red herring. got the first issue....zero LSH content....
Well... it does mention Legion flight rings
So now we are back to this version of Superman knowing about the Legion.
Posted by Tekwych on :
Could Kara have told him after coming back?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Well Bruce says "It's like that ring you once showed me, Clark...". That sounds to me more like it was something that happened in the past, not in the past year.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I hope you guys aren't suggesting Meltzer re-write Adv. 247 into a 7 part mini-series in the style of Identity Crisis for the threeboot continuity. Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Tamper Lad: I hope you guys aren't suggesting Meltzer re-write Adv. 247 into a 7 part mini-series in the style of Identity Crisis for the threeboot continuity.
Are you saying you wouldn't buy it? Posted by Ultra Boy on :
$$$$$ -
PS - Thanks for the scan LL.
Posted by Michael Grabois on :
Booster Gold had a pre-Zero Hour Flight Ring, and Inferno and Superboy (Connor) both had post-Zero Hour rings. Impulse might have had one too.
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