WARNING: If you haven't seen Season Two or any of the series but plan to some day, I STRONGLY recommend you skip this thread! - - - - - -
Awright guys, as I suggested a while back, we will try to guess who among the surviving cast of Walking Dead Season Two will not see Season Four because they become zombie chow or die in the upcoming war with Woodbury (or some other less interesting cause of death )!
The choices will include only the characters seen by the end of Season Two. So Michonne will be in it, and so will Merle (who's been prominently announced), but the Governor will not be in it as he hasn't appeared yet. I'm also leaving out Duane, Morgan and Morales (and his family) who haven't appeared since Season One because there's been no indication that any of these will appear in Season Three. I'm not ruling out any of their returns but want to make this a fairly small and reasonable list.
I'm having participants choose up to three characters because that's how many main or recurring characters from Season One that we lost in Season Two: specifically, Shane, Dale and Sophia. There may very well be much more fatalities (or even fewer...who knows?) among this list given what is likely to be an elevated level of carnage with a rival group being involved. But we're using Season Two as our measuring stick.
Don't be afraid to choose a mixture of what would seem easy choices and bold ones. I mean, who saw Dale's death coming, right?
This will be fun to look back at for us TWD fans as we see how dead-on or far-off we were in our choices!
[ September 07, 2012, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Lard Lad ]
Posted by Lard Lad on :
This poll will run until the eve of the Season Three premiere to allow as many participants as possible and to keep the excitement building!
Note: I also didn't include any of the nursing home characters we saw in the episode "Vatos" (or incidental friends of Randall barely seen in Season Two, etc.) for similar reasons that I left out Morgan and some of the others. I personally think it would be AWESOME if some of them pop up, though! (I mean what if Morales and family are in Woodbury?!?! The implications.... )
Can't WAIT to see how this goes! And PLEASE feel free to discuss your choices in this thread!
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
My votes:
BETH... At first, I thought it was a miracle she made it through season 2. But then I realized something: I predict she will take the place of what happens to Patricia and/or to Herschel's twin daughters in the prison.
T-DOG... He's a goner because I think Tyrese is going to be introduced inside the prison.
MERLE... I predict death served cold from Darryl at some point, after Darryl temporarily switches loyalties back to Merle.
RUNNERS-UP (I didn't select but probably should have):
HERSCHEL... His surviving Season 2 was a (delightful) surprise, but he won't make it out of the prison.
CAROL... I'd like to think she won't share her comic-counterpart's fate, but I think this plot will be following the comic's storyline.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
My picks:
Beth Merle Carol
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I picked Merle, Lori and Hershel.
Merle, well, seems pretty obvious as the only bad guy in the bunch.
Hershel was originally going to die in the S2 finale, so I suspect it was a mere stay of execution. I hope he lives long enough to plant crops on the prison grounds as he did in the comic. Plus, the actor who plays him had a publicized DUI this summer. That used to be the kiss of death for some actors on Lost!
Lori is my pick for a top-tier character to die this season. The comic readers may appreciate why I chose her.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Beth, Carol or T-Dog** die, but they're all such obvious cannon fodder that I chose to leave them out. Plus, only three choices, yo!
**Also, holding out for that pet theory of ours that T-Dog makes it all the way to the end, possibly without ever having had any real character development or shining moment! Posted by Dev - Em on :
Herschel - He will die saving Maggie or Glenn. Carol - Merle kills her to get at Darryl, which leads to... Merle - Taken out in horrific fashion by Darryl, who is hurt pretty good in the throw down. Ending Season three with a cliffhanger.
How's that for trying to randomly guess from millions of possible possibilities?
Posted by Dev - Em on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: >snip<
**Also, holding out for that pet theory of ours that T-Dog makes it all the way to the end, possibly without ever having had any real character development or shining moment!
That would be beyond hilarious. He just appears in half the episodes or so and does nothing...last man standing. Final scene of the series...T-Dog standing alone after an epic battle which kills every remaining character. He stands up and says, "Well, I didn't expect this."
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
Since I am certain Tyreese is showing up, this means the kiss of death for T-Dog, as it is well-documented that two brothas cannot co-exist together outside of blaxploitation films.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I would hope that there would be room for three black characters (T-Dog, Michonne and potentially Tyreese) among the main and recurring cast, but you may be right.
Why are you so sure Tyreese will show up this season? Is it because of the nondenials Kirkman and others give when the questions about him are asked? A gut feeling? Something more solid?
Another interesting question to ponder is whether Season Three will comprise the entirety of the Prison/Woodbury arc or if it'll extend into Season Four. If the latter, deaths which may (or may not) mirror the comic book may be put off a bit longer. My gut feeling is that it's the former, but I haven't read anything definitive from Kirkman or anyone else.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
Nothing solid for sure. I think Kirkman has been coy about Tyreese because his backstory has been altered. I honestly think he will be one of the folks inside the prison, and the TWD TV team have gone out of their way to keep this surprise.
Of course, I'm likely very, very wrong.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
I *will* say this much: if they have thrown out the VASTLY superior character of Tyreese in favor of the (by comparison) incredibly lame character of T-Dog, I nominate that for "MOST BONEHEADED DECISION" 2012-13.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I will agree to an extent. Like i said above, there's NO reason that the two couldn't co-exist, other than the perception (true or false)that tokenism would be the deciding factor. I'd be very happy to have both characters at the same time, especially if they give T-Dog some much-needed development.
After all this time, by the way, I'd still rank Tyreese my Number One Fave TWD character from the comic! I sincerely hope he is brought into the series, so long as he's not a token black character, as T-Dog has seemed to be nothing more than such to this point.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
It would be amusing to see T-Dog doubt his self-worth once Tyreese makes the scene.
"OMG... compared to THAT guy, I totally suck!!" Posted by Lard Lad on :
I wonder if we'd WANT Tyreese to be written in as an inmate? I kinda like him the way he was introdused in the comic: ex-pro NFL player with his daughter and her boyfriend.
Speaking of inmates, Kirkman will NEVER here the end of it if we don't see another of his much-missed and uniquely delightful characters from the comic show up there. "You follow me?" Posted by lowercase mllash on :
While I agree it is a shame to lose the comic-origin of Tyreese (and those that came with him), I also feel like the window for introducing him is closing rapidly. He's a HUGE part of the prison storyarc, and could be shoehorned in as an inmate with minimal "damage" to his comic origins... maybe an ex-NFL player serving a white-collar-type sentence?
and
I FOLLOW YOU!!! I did read Kirkman totally regretted killing that character far too soon.
Posted by Blacula on :
*ahem*
<------ Loves T-Dog, is his favourite character in the show.
I really like Tyreese in the comic too so it would be great to see him turn up - which at this point could only be as an inmate right? Unless he's a Woodburyian who helps Andrea and Michonne escape. That could be interesting.
I'd like/hope that T-Dog and Tyreese could live side by side in this show but like MLLASH says, the laws of TV forbid it. I predict that T-Dog gets killed by Merle in front of Daryl - in a shocking climax that shows Darryl just how far to the dark side his brother has gone and sets the two men against each other.
^ That's completely cliched though so hopefully the writers avoid it.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
I don't think it is too cliche'... in fact, it fits in really perfectly with their histories with each other. You've now got me thinking this might happen. I also like your alternate idea re: Tyreese.
I must admit though, I'm pretty surprised to find that T-Dog is ANYone's favorite character. Sure, he's a nice enough guy, but a favorite? Your love of the lower-tier characters has never been more evident, I am so proud! Posted by Blacula on :
^ It fits in too perfectly though, don't you think? To me, that seems like such an obvious, predictable road for the writers to go down so I'm hoping they avoid it.
As for T-Dog - yep, my love of lower-tier/ background characters is an illness! I just can't help it! Haha While the panel/screen hogs are stealing all the spotlight I'm always staring at that guy or gal in the background, wondering what their interesting story is.
It helps that T-Dog is not a character in the comics too, so the lack of baggage I'm bringing to my viewing of him (and Daryl, and Jacquie in season 1 ) means that I'm much more excited about seeing what the writers have in store for them, and on the edge of my seat whenever they're in danger!
Although killing Dale last season has taught me not to grow complacent about those characters that should be safe because they're in the comics too!
Also re: T Dog - I read The Walking Dead recap/reviews at The AV Club and in the comments section after each episode there all last season was the most hilarious running commentary about what his motivations and thoughts and back-story might be since the writers so obviously had no time for him. I want him to survive to see where the myth of T-Dog goes next on there. Posted by lowercase mllash on :
I've been rewatching Season 2 episodes via DVD/laptop and playing closer attention than ever before to T-Dog...
His self-worth doubts and insecurities over being the only black man are spoken aloud to Dale while he is delerious with fever; later at the well, he apologizes to Dale for what he said, and decrees that he (paraphrased) is going to be a good soldier for the survivors, which I think shows a really good attitude.
He is the "finishing touch" guy on at least 2 zombies, doing the messy work of ending them for good.
He states his revulsion at having zombies in the barn and does not hesitate (along with Daryl and Andrea) to join Shane in their execution (Glenn kindly sought the permission of Maggie first)
He is there digging graves and loading the rest of the bodies onto the truck.
And that's as far as I've gotten. It seems T-Dog has slowly and quietly grown into a loyal, "good soldier" type, which is of course a good thing to have around in a survival scenario.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
BTW, the barn/zombies episode? Still one POWERFUL work of television... the devestation and despair of Hershel as his heart tries to adjust to what his mind MUST be telling him about what the walkers really are is a humbling thing to see, and the sight of Shane losing all self-control is scary to watch. And then, the end... still WOW.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
Poor Randall gets my vote for worst luck of Season 2-- he would have been better off if they'd shot him in the head while he was impaled on the fence. He pretty much spends the rest of his life on the show tortured unmercifully.
Worst character development of Season 2: Jimmy. That guy was a non-entity. Runners up Patricia and T-Dog were 10 times more developed. And Suicide Beth had 20 times the development THEY did, despite lapsing into a coma Projectra-style for 2 episodes.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
(I just can't quit talking about it, I'm very excited for season 3, especially fresh off watching season 2)
Most annoying character of Season 2: Carl, by far. Shane would be a very distant second.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
*hurls ashtray*
Why aren't more of you excited by TWD!!?!!?
*pouts nerdily*
Posted by Dev - Em on :
Cause I was harassing you and Matt on FB.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
GASP!!!! Come back, let's talk TWD--!!!!!!
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
I notice now with 6 voters, we no longer have a 100% consensus on a certain character meeting certain demise... I wonder who the dissenting vote was made by? *STARES AT ALL OF YOU*
Posted by Blacula on :
I just realized I haven't voted yet. Correcting that now.
Posted by Blacula on :
I ended up voting for Carol, Beth and Merle but really, there are about 6 or 7 characters that we could easily lose this season.
The thing is though - I really like the group as they are at the moment so I hope it's a long time before any of them go.
Re: last season. I'm not sure if people are aware but apparently Hershel was originally supposed to die too (or instead of maybe?) in the episode we lost Dale in. Randall was supposed to kill him to make his escape.
I'm really glad they changed it. I think Shane's involvement in Randall's escape/death was a lot more powerful of a plot point and was better suited to his character. I loved Shane but it was time for him to go. I'm glad Hershell got the last minute reprieve though. For some reason, I really like all of the surviving Greene family in the show, whereas I never much cared for any of them in the comic.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Interesting....thus far, there are seven characters who haven't gotten any votes! I figured some of those would just because.
Well, it's over a month 'til the poll closes, so there are likely at least some votes still to come. I wonder who's voted that hasn't declared him/herself to this point? Has Cobie voted? Who else haven't we heard from that posted on the regular TWD thread over the past two seasons? Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Okay, I've voted! Finally just noticed this thread!
First off, the big mega-death: Lori. I'm picking her as I think her death would be a world-shaking fan-rocking moment for the finale. I struggled with this for a moment because I thought they'd have her deliver the baby first, and then both she and the baby would die like in the comics. But then I started to think AMC / television in general would just not go that far, showing a baby getting shot. It's possible...after all, AMC's Breaking Bad has crossed all kinds of lines like that before. But I feel like Lori bites it this season.
I also think Hershel won't survive as well. He's a big favorite of mine though so I don't want thim to die!
And I vote for Carol biting it, which I hope is done the same way as in the comics. She's hella-annoying, so they can gruesome it up a bit.
I was going to vote for Beth but that seemed too easy. She is a very likely candidate for what happened to the little girls in the prison, though. Unless she survives it, which could be a good character development. If she's not dying, her character might be going the route of surviving an awful trauma.
(Then again maybe the awful thing that happens to Michonne happens to her? I really am not anxious to see that scene in the whole series. Thinking about it further, it's hard to see it happening at all without the ramifications of what Michonne does to the Governer, which leads the Governer to make the decision to smash down the prison gates with the tank. I guess there's a thousand ways all of this could still happen differently).
I actually think Merle will survive! If the Lori finale happens, than you can bet the Governer will die as well. So that makes me think that because the Governer's death will be the major villain dying moment, that Merle lives. And perhaps...he actually helps Darryl live or something? Interesting twist?!
You can see a lot of my thinking assumes the entire prison / Woodbury storyline is played out in Season 3. If it extends to Season 4, that blows that out of the water.
I really hope Tyrese is introduced too as he was a big fave. I don't like the prisoner idea though, as that puts him into a bad cliche. I prefer the idea of him being a Woodburian or something else.
Really would love to see Axel as well! I follow you mofos!
I really hope above all that Maggie lives throughout the season and for the duration of the show. The actress playing her has made her such a better character for me than she has ever been in the comics.
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: >snip<
**Also, holding out for that pet theory of ours that T-Dog makes it all the way to the end, possibly without ever having had any real character development or shining moment!
This would be beyond hilarious! I want this to happen!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Oh, and I see Darryl doesn't have a vote yet. Funny how we all assume he'll live considering what a hit he's been with fans (both comic book veterans and non-comic book fans). A real shocker would be Merle killing his own brother.
I also notice "the big 5" don't have votes. I think we've all gotten way used to their safety in the comic books. Which is exactly why the events of recent issues happened. (Nobody spoil this as I know at least one poster here has not read that issue yet).
Personally, I don't want Andrea to die because she's finally becoming as awesome as she is in the comics. She has a hell of a long way to go, but I hope she gets there.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I think pretty much all of us are staying away from our favorites, which are mostly those main characters who've survived since Season One-on, most of whom have been longterm characters in the comic. To date, seven characters haven't gotten a single vote. The one main character who HAS gotten votes in this poll is the one who died during the comic's prison arc.
So I think our hearts are keeping us from voting for those characters because we don't want to see them go. That would explain the lack of votes for Daryl, Glenn and Maggie. Of those three, I think Daryl is least likely to die because he's indisputably the breakout character of the show.
I suppose series-Andrea has won some folks over after many were really annoyed with her after season One and early-Season Two. I honestly expected her to get some votes!
It also seems a lot of folks here dislike Carl but haven't voted for him. I personally have always liked Carl in both incarnations and find him endlessly fascinating.
Rick...well, realistically, he may be the least likely character to ever get killed off in either incarnation. And Michonne is set to become another breakout character this season and seems unlikely to be killed off any time soon.
But does anyone truly think ALL seven of those characters are safe this upcoming season? All I can say is: don't forget about Dale......
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I'm also a fan of Carl in the sense that he is "endlessly fascinating" as you say. There is too much ripe potential for storylines with him, on both the show and in the comic.
Characters that are too likable run the risk of growing boring or stagnant over time, and Carl is the total opposite of that phenomena.
Killing Rick is the trump card for if the series ratings ever start to seriously drop off. It would give a temporary burst to stretch out two more seasons before the show is cancelled. But even that I suspect will never happen. In order to get a television show done, with various nameless executives going along with the program, there needs to be a firm single lead, even if it is an ensemble cast. My friend who lives out in LA and works in movies / television this tells me that all the time.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: But does anyone truly think ALL seven of those characters are safe this upcoming season? All I can say is: don't forget about Dale......
Or Sophia, who is still alive and kicking 100 issues in.
While rewatching Season 2, it struck me that having these characters have real faces and voices on TV makes me NOT want to see them hurt in the comic. I'm pretty sure what happened to you know who in # 100 was made even more horrific because you know who now has a face and voice through the TV show.
So yeah, that plays into Lardy's idea that to a large extent we are avoiding voting for our favorites. Rewatching Season 2 comfirmed Hershel as a favorite of mine... that old guy can ACT. And I don't want what is probably going to happen, to happen.
Not counting the well-preserved cast of The Expendables, It's pretty rare to see obviously older/elderly people in any sort of action-role (semi-connected side-note: Darabont's Stephen King adaptation THE MIST featured elderly actors in an action role as well as some familiar TWD faces). I like it, and I'm totally with Blacula that I'm so glad they changed the original plans for Hershel!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Yeah, Hershel has emerged as a big favorite of mine and you've kind of put more clearly for me why I might feel that way. I like ass-kicking action moments achieved by unexpected actors & characters.
The actor who plays Hershel has had great little parts on other shows like Justified.
Also: the Mist is totally a TWD pre-union! Just loaded with actors on the show (Andrea, Dale, Carol, Hershel, etc). More I'm probably forgetting. FYI, the short story it's based on is even scarier than the movie.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Ooh! Someone else has voted, and now just one vote separates leader Merle from two of our female cast members. It seems a particular theory of mine is getting some steam!
I wonder who the latest voter was?!? Posted by lowercase mllash on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Also: the Mist is totally a TWD pre-union! Just loaded with actors on the show (Andrea, Dale, Carol, Hershel, etc). More I'm probably forgetting. FYI, the short story it's based on is even scarier than the movie.
Yes, I've read that story a few times! I love the film too, including it's TOTALLY devestating finale (which deviates greatly from the short story). The woman who plays Carol has a brief but unforgettable role in THE MIST-- I recognized her instantly on TWD!
I am watching for THE MIST to show up on Netflix streaming. *taps toe impatiently, checks watch*
Posted by Blacula on :
First of all - I appreciate everyone for avoiding spoilers for issue #100 of the comic. I'm really wondering who bites it in the issue now though! I have the tissues ready in case it's Glenn or Andrea... and the champagne ready in case it's Rick or Carl! Haha
Re: The Mist - funnily enough I hated 'Carol's' sanctimonious character in that movie and I wonder if that has colored my impression of her in this show. I didn't mind the character in the comic but she's definitely my least favorite amongst this ensemble. Hopefully Merle can kill her to turn Daryl against him instead of T-Dog!
Re: Lardy's theory that we haven't voted for the big 7 because we don't want to see them go - that's most definitely not true of me! I would much rather lose Rick, Glen, Andrea, etc than T-Dog, Daryl or even Beth. Firstly, because those characters intrigue me more than their comic book counterparts for some reason; and secondly, because losing those first characters would be a big surprise - and surprise is one of my favorite elements in fiction.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
MAJOR SPOILER FOR THE FILM "THE MIST" FOLLOWS HERE... **SKIP** if you EVER plan to watch this movie!! . . . . . . .
Maybe I am misremembering which character Carol played in THE MIST... I thought I remembered her as the woman who begged someone to escort her out of the mist-enshrouded grocery store. Everyone is too scared, but she leaves anyway in hopes of getting home to her kids; the last scene shows her hale & hearty with her kids and a few other refugees.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
You remember correctly! The lead sees her at the end after the devastating decision he makes.
Posted by Blacula on :
^ That's the one. I found her accusatory attitude toward the rest of the group in that movie for not following her out into almost certain suicide(*), to save some people they'd never met before and were probably already dead anyway, super annoying.
(*) Or at least what should have been certain suicide anyway if the screenwriter hadn't felt the need to hit the viewers over the head with that extra dose of IRONY at the end there, as if the preceding scene hadn't done enough of the job!
But maybe that's just me because (probably unpopular opinion around here time) - I really didn't think much of that movie, The Mist. It was a great story idea (obviously thanks to King) and had a few good exciting scenes - but the screenwriting gears were just so obvious and labored to me. This was most obvious in the depiction of the characters; none of whom felt real IMO and were all just tools that the screenwriter/director used to hammer home his themes.
Anyway, /off topic.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
Heh. Your certain suicide was my big surprise and you just said a bit ago:
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: surprise is one of my favorite elements in fiction.
But I'm ribbing you. A lot of people disliked THE MIST's treatment in film... in fact, most disliked it greatly as I recall.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I actually disliked to it at first but have warmed to it over time. I also think Thomas Jane plays a very subtle role for the first hour of the film, which as the lead is difficult. I think he does a good job.
The tone of the movie is ultra pessimistic and bleak, so if I'm not in the mood for it, it loses some effect and leaves me more angry than anything. But if I'm in the right mood, I enjoy the film and see where it succeeds.
Posted by Dev - Em on :
Season 2 is on Demand now...time to rewatch the whole shebang to get ready for the start of Season 3.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Less than two weeks left in this poll and no voters in quite some time. Any more takers?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Poll closes in a few hours. Weigh in if ya haven't already! Season 3 begins in less than 48 hours!!!
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