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Posted By: Fat Cramer Re-Reading the Legion: Archives Volume 21 - 05/29/18 09:35 AM
LSH #7 A Choice of Dooms by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Mike DeCarlo, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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The five Legionnaires in limbo land on a planet which is covered with factory machinery. Cham flies off to investigate the surroundings. The others suddenly realize that they on a giant conveyer belt leading into a massive furnace; Jo flies them away to safety.

On Earth, Proteans are protesting, demanding civil rights and citizenship.

At Legion HQ, Ayla demands membership although her power now duplicates that of her brother. She's surprised to hear that Garth and Imra had a baby. Rokk muses to himself that this fits in with his plans; when Wildfire asks him what those are, Rokk says he wants to share some ideas. Blok muses that they may lose a Legionnaire and is interrupted by Computo. Brin works out in the gym, is distracted, then tells Blok about having a detective track down Ayla.

On the factory planet, Cham returns; Jo explains that he surveyed the area but Cham notes that he missed the Control Center. Jan quietly congratulates Cham. They head to the Control Center, wondering what is being built that is causing so much destruction to the planet. Tinya investigates the Center and sees that someone is building a Sun-Eater.

On Earth, Marte Allon prepares to move, with help from Gim. Chief Zendak calls to report that he's requested Legion help to round up the remains of the LSV. Gim rushes off and Marte wonders what will happen to the Legion when she's no longer President.

Cham and Vi explore, following electrical circuitry, to find robot workers with sophisticated equipment. They are attacked but escape.

At Legion HQ, Legionnaires prepare to leave to hunt down the LSV. Lar says that his head has cleared after the Talok incident. Ayla runs into Brin and gives him the brush-off.

On Winath, two SP brothers examine a dead private investigator sitting before a monitor. They learn that not only was he an Earthling with a visitor's visa tied in with some Legion business, he was also a descendant of Batman.

The limbo Legionnaires, except for Tinya, enter the main command building and observe someone at a console, speaking in a language they can't translate. Through a doorway enters a Controller, who addresses the being as Armorer, mentally zaps him and commands him to follow. They leave through a star gate. The Legionnaires see different portals; one has an image of Earth above it. Tinya suddenly arrives with news of the Sun-Eater and Jan decides that they must give up returning home to destroy the machinery building the Sun-Eater.

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The Limbo Legionnaires are heavy with Espionage Squad members - a good thing, since they accomplish some detective work. There's some fisticuffs with big robots, but the story on the factory planet moves forward with stealth.

Jo's trying to be the problem-solver man of action - they probably wouldn't get to the planet without him (unless Cham changed into a variety of creatures to move the capsule to the surface) and he does survey the surroundings. That he was somewhat boastful about taking care of the survey business, while missing a critical area, clearly annoyed Jan. Cham pointed out Jo's omission; Jan, as leader, should have suggested that Jo take more care in the future rather than whisper behind his back to Cham.

Tinya has quite a record for discovering big things. The Sun-eater is a good surprise for readers. The last time the Legion dealt with a Sun-eater, nobody was willing to help them except the Fatal Five, who were more or less forced to participate, and the thing was destroyed only with the sacrifice of Ferro Lad. Tinya - and the others - have good reason to be alarmed.

There are a lot of stories promised in the interludes: Protean rights, dead Bat-descendant, Marte's worries about the Legion, Rokk's mystery plan, the LSV, Ayla's return and her ex-relationship with Brin.

The most solid of these is Ayla's story. Her fiery return, demanding to be admitted as a member, is evidence of her renewed commitment to the group, and her happy shock at learning of Garth and Imra's newborn son is quite a charming scene. I did find it peculiar that she didn't know, or figure that the baby would have been born by now, but perhaps she was staying at some secluded farming retreat on Winath that was cut off from all communication. Nevertheless, in the time she took between defeating Mekt and returning to Earth, she must have given her brother's future offspring some thought. She'd clearly thought about his membership in the Legion and how his power might preclude her.

She treats Brin coldly, harshly - but clearly states her position. It probably wouldn't have mattered if she knew he sent a detective to look for her - she's made up her mind and it's over. Ayla's moving on with her life.

Rokk has plans, which involve consulting with Wildfire. That suggests recruiting new Legionnaires from the Academy, which has been on the slate for a while.

The dead detective is most likely the one Brin hired to find Ayla, although it's not outright stated. I sort of rolled my eyes when he was revealed to be a descendant of Batman, but we've got Laurel Kent and Oli-3 Queen; it's the sort of thing that happens in 30th century stories. If your 20th century ancestor was a big deal hero, I guess you pay attention to your lineage. The twin SPs examining the scene look like they're based on somebody from real life, but I don't know who.

Lar and Shady refer to their mission to Talok VIII in Tales; he was last seen taking off to explore space alone. It's not clear how much time has elapsed but it must have been a rather short exploration.

Shvaughn Erin sees the Legionnaires off as they go after the LSV. In Tales, she's out in Dark Circle territory with Dev-Em; her part in that mission is either over, or this is one detail not coordinated between the two books. It's not a big deal, but keeping her with Dev-Em would have afforded an opportunity to develop another SP character as temporary Legion liasion. I wonder if they were considering ending her relationship with Jan at this point.
Element Lad's bad habit of making snide comments displays itself again. I was struck by Jan's whisper to Cham - "good thing SOMEBODY remembers that it's not what your powers are, but how you use them."I agree with you, FC. He should have told Jo directly, I prefer Cosmic Boy's habit of telling one outright.
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Having spotted a planet as they make their way through interdimensional space, the lost Legionnaires make a landing. Cham goes off to scout. The others escape from the conveyor of radioactive rock they’ve landed in that’s heading towards a giant furnace. The whole world is being consumed in a manufacturing plant.

Jo takes a proactive role as a confident jock in the absence of an El, much to the admiring glances from Tinya. He’s not quite as subtle with his powers though. He seems to have vibrated out of the containment sphere using superspeed. We see his penetra vision, but learn that radiation still affects him, even through his invulnerability.

Element Lad senses the elemental composition of things around him, which seems like a rarely used extension of his power. He scans the atmosphere, but not the ground, so he missed the radiation. He looks unconscious in the final panel from the radiation in the area. Perhaps the giant furnace was activated when they landed on it. Otherwise, it seems a bit odd that they didn’t notice it. They have left their containment bubble behind however, which could have been the point of the scene, along with the world’s introduction.

As Proty’s campaign for citizen’s rights, Ayla makes an overly aggressive demand about re-joining. She gets a dig in at Dreamy about the time Nura changed her powers. But no one has any issue with Ayla returning, making her outburst look a little foolish and pointless. Ayla also learns that she’s an aunt. I guess she hadn’t met anyone between her arrival and the meeting. Ayla’s more demanding personality is worth noting ahead of Vi’s return.

Rokk’s slide into becoming The Trapper continues as he’s caught talking about master plans to himself by Drake smile I got the feeling that Rokk was going to bring Wildfire into his confidence right after the meeting, but there’s no more on it this issue. This could be an important subplot for Drake, as he’s been shown in a few of the Academy stories, so we’ll see how this works out.

Blok links the meeting scene and talking to Brin in the gym. We see Brin;s bestial expression, and powers, as he beats the equipment. He’s received the results from the detective he sent to track Ayla. It’s a set up scene for Brin’s own subplot in a few issues; his meeting with Ayla later in the issue and also for a plot that would appear in the annual.

The detective he hired has been killed, and it’s revealed that he was a descendant of Batman. That’s quite precise considering all the knowledge that’s been lost over the centuries. “Dear BatEditor, Should you be thinking of having a Batman-of-the-Future story, please don’t as we have dedded him. Yours Keef ‘n Paul”

Back in limbo world, Jo’s confidence gets a knock when Cham discovers a control center his powers swept past. His overconfidence being undone was similar to Lar’s over in tales. But Jo was a little more brash about his capabilities than Lar was. Jo makes a defensive comment as cover. It’s notable that he defers to Tinya, when the espionage squad members go to investigate. It doesn’t take Tinya long to discover that some of the energy converted from the break up of the planet is being used to create a suneater.


Marte Allon gets an update on the capture of some remaining LSV members, as she talks about resigning form Earth president. Touching her life jewel she gives an ominous warning of difficult times to come.

Back on Limbo Land, Vi and Cham do some more investigating. We learn that Vi no longer likes enclosed spaces following her senstank experience. Following an attack by robots, Vi thinks there’s something wrong with the whole place, while Cham is determined to use its technology to get them home. They will need to, having allowed their bubble to be destroyed in the opening scene.

At Legion HQ, Ayla takes the front foot once again, declaring herself to be on a mission team. She meets Brin who wants to know why she left so abruptly. I guess he can’t remember so many issues ago. Ayla wanted Brin to be part of her new life and he didn’t put her ahead of the Legion. Since Ayla has returned to the Legion, Brin thinks they both now share the same goals and that everything should return to the way it was. He doesn’t realise what Ayla has gone through to reach her decision. I wonder if this treatment of Brin ever struck me as being harsh. Polar Boy would have struggled to give a colder shoulder. But to choose another route would have been to slip back to the lovelorn Ayla of old.The Ayla/Brin conversation here links nicely to the death of the detective on Winath. He was part of that subplot, but the death now starts another.

Lar and Tasmia remind us of their recent trip to Talok VIII. It’s a single panel and does well to show the two books are integrated.

Back on limbo land, the team enter the control tower. They find someone at the controls (proving Jo’s earlier penetra-scan to be incomplete), but he’s just a minion of a Controller. After an exchange, The Controller leaves through a portal. The Legionnaires discover that each portal connects to a different planet. One of which is Earth. They decide to go home, just as Tinya returns to tell them about the Sun Eater. Jan makes a ponderous statement about completely demolishing the planet, even if it means they can never return home.

There are thirteen pages of the main plot, and I just don’t think that there’s enough momentum in it to really carry the book. I get the feeling that on reading the next part, I’ll think it could all have been condensed into a single issue story. By the numbers it seems to work. The threat escalates from lost world and controlled robots to Suneaters and Controllers. The reappearance of Sun eaters and background on how they can be created by Controllers is certainly a Legion sized threat. The heroes are given a choice to return home or destroy a threat that might cause harm later. But I think it gets off to too slow a start. The Legion spend three pages getting off a conveyor belt just so that their transport is destroyed. Battles with ACME robots later also don’t add much.

There are some character reminders. Cham is methodical and shows off his investigative skills; Vi doesn’t like being enclosed; Jo is an action first-think slightly later character; It’s something that Tinya is aware of, but she loves him for other things. She discovers the Sun Eater, as Jan’s leadership is quiet. He praises Cham, but not doesn’t dent Jo’s wounded pride. Either that, or he’s siding with Cham. Elsewhere the Ayla/ Brin subplot reaches another turning point, as Ayla makes sure she’s integrated back onto the team and its operations. A few more character moments and less conveyor belt/robot fighting/ sub plotting might have given us more of an insight into Jan or Vi or Tinya.

There’s lots of little things going on in the subplots. Ayla’s reintegration to the team and her talk with Brin being the main one. It’s probably a stronger plot thread than the main one. Marte Allon’s ominous feeling and Cos’s plans for the future are throw- aways here. With Levitz’s view that he’d rather leave the rest of the DCU alone, the death of Batman’s descendant is a quite a turnaround. I’m not terribly interested in the JLA descendants in a Legion book, so perhaps the impact of this one was lost on me. I’m watching this one with the hindsight of DC editorial issues with character use both pre and post Crisis.

This is one that doesn’t really stand out, although there’s nothing terribly wrong with any of it.

De Carlo’s inks give Lightle’s pencils a different look Lightle doesn’t seem to experiment too much. But there are a few treats. There’s a nice vertical/horizontal establishing shot on page 2; out of panel gym bars and Vi on 7 and 14. Zendak’s LSV panel gets a technological border and Ayla’s ascension to the Legion cruiser takes place literally between panels on 17. That one is a very nice idea.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
That he was somewhat boastful about taking care of the survey business, while missing a critical area, clearly annoyed Jan. Cham pointed out Jo's omission; Jan, as leader, should have suggested that Jo take more care in the future rather than whisper behind his back to Cham.


I didn’t see a panel where Jan was annoyed, but…

Jan tells Jo to bring the bubble down slowly. “Go for a gentle touchdown”
Jo retorts with “save your leadership…that’s common sense”

It is a bit of an obvious instruction, and Jo pretty much tells him that.
Jan compliments Cham (for being suspicious) and then Vi (for focusing on survival)
Tinya is looking admiringly down at Jo (who is flying them all) and says “and getting home”

At Jo’s landing it’s Jan who shouts “Hey!” although Jo does apologise.
It’s Tinya who supports Jo with “Good enough for me”


Only Jo and Tinya don’t get compliments, but they support each other as a couple. So, there’s a divide in the group.

Jan does then compliment Jo with a “good work” and Jo in full her pose accepts it.

That seems to set Cham off. “If you’ll excuse me,” he says as he goes scouting. “You wait here. It’s abrupt enough for Tinya to call after him. Perhaps having his heroic pose interrupted, or perhaps just picking up on Cham’s tone, Jo puts him down. “Oh let him go and “…but he likes to feel useful, humour him.”

There’s no love lost between Jo and Cham there

Later, Jo is surveying the area, attached to Tinya. Element Lad is clearing the air for Vi. Cham returns and goes straight into goading mode. “Oh, there you are… what did [b]you find out…”

Hero-jock Jo tells him pretty much what the planet is for. But he missed the control tower. Cham is only too pleased to tell him. Now Cham could have entered the scene and told them immediately about the control tower. But that’s isn’t how Cham operates. He deliberately sets Jo up.

Jo put in his place, Cham gets a whispered compliment and they’re off. The compliment is made clearer by Jan’s “that control tower sounds like our best bet.” That prompts a defensive comment form Jo. Cham offers a further explanation, to ensure he has an answer to anything Jo could come up with.

Jo’s still huffing when Jan splits the team. It’s Tinya’s lead he follows, not Jan’s.

Jo may have issues with leaders. He was huffy with Nura too. But he could just be a bit thin skinned, and it’s something that Cham is taking advantage of.

The Espionage squad splits again when they leave Jo and Jan. Vi and Cham work well together. No sniping, always focused. Tinya, more connected to the main team, goes it alone.

Jo disagrees with Jan later on about leaving Tinya behind, and wants to confront the minion. It’s Jan who shows some caution (that conveniently turns out to be right moments later). He’s also the one to make the final decision for the group.

I have noticed that Jan often decides on the shoulder of others who have reached the same conclusions. Cham had suspicions and Vi had survival instincts that the group acted on. Cham found the control tower. Tinya was the one who said that they couldn’t leave. That could be seen as either inexperience or as letting those with the correct skills guide the group.

So:-

Jan knows when he thinks he has to make leadership comments, to keep his team ticking along. He isn’t as direct or as strong-willed as Nura, but does let the group reach its own conclusions. That can lead to ego jostling beneath him.
Jo has an ego that likes to be pandered to, and he doesn’t take instruction terribly well. He’s completely committed to Tinya.

Tinya is the only one who doesn’t need anything from the others. She’s as comfortable with the team’s mainstays as she is with the espionage squad. She has Jo and loves him even if he isn’t the brightest. Or possibly partly because he’s not the brightest. She acts on her own initiative as much as Cham does, and has a habit of getting to the Big Reveal.

Cham would be suspicious of a My Little Super Pony get together. He looks for things to justify that. He’s also not above derailing group harmony if he can show off his own detective skill or puncture someone’s ego.

Vi doesn’t like enclosed spaces. I wondering if her getting clear air from Jan wasn’t also related to the gunk around her in her sens-tank. She’s focused on the group’s priorities and works to achieve these. Her decisions tend to absolutes. There’s something rotten with the world rather than just something being amiss.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Tinya has quite a record for discovering big things. The Sun-eater is a good surprise for readers. The last time the Legion dealt with a Sun-eater, nobody was willing to help them except the Fatal Five, who were more or less forced to participate, and the thing was destroyed only with the sacrifice of Ferro Lad. Tinya - and the others - have good reason to be alarmed.


Yes, she does. I like to think that she’s a very good investigator and that we’re not just missing out on all the dead end corridors she phases into first. smile

The Sun Eater and the Controllers should have been a Big Thing here. But I just didn’t get that feeling. Possibly due to all the jumping back and forth of…

Originally Posted by Cramer
There are a lot of stories promised in the interludes: Protean rights, dead Bat-descendant, Marte's worries about the Legion, Rokk's mystery plan, the LSV, Ayla's return and her ex-relationship with Brin.


Originally Posted by Cramer
I did find it peculiar that she didn't know, or figure that the baby would have been born by now, but perhaps she was staying at some secluded farming retreat on Winath that was cut off from all communication. Nevertheless, in the time she took between defeating Mekt and returning to Earth, she must have given her brother's future offspring some thought. She'd clearly thought about his membership in the Legion and how his power might preclude her.


The poor woman was kept in a cocoon so that Levitz could do all that for dramatic effect. smile Possibly being in that cocoon gives her another link to Vi.

Originally Posted by Cramer
She treats Brin coldly, harshly - but clearly states her position. It probably wouldn't have mattered if she knew he sent a detective to look for her - she's made up her mind and it's over. Ayla's moving on with her life.


I wonder if there was any back lash form fans sympathising with Brin’s treatment?

Originally Posted by Cramer
Rokk has plans, which involve consulting with Wildfire. That suggests recruiting new Legionnaires from the Academy, which has been on the slate for a while.


Having seen Grev over in Tales, and Lar’s idea to try again to convince Shady to travel with him, I wonder if there was a feeling that he could be a member?

From this set of rereads, I still think there was a really good opportunity to bring in members at the start of #318. Rokk is drip feeding his secret plans over months. But it’s convenient that the main team haven’t seen any real action since the LSV gated Orando away. The remainder of that story focused on the Legionnaires stuck on Orando. The next story was a Lightning Lass spotlight and this and next will again focus on the Legionnaires on Orando. With a team already stretched, they should be aware of what another major threat could bring.


Originally Posted by Cramer
I sort of rolled my eyes when he was revealed to be a descendant of Batman, but we've got Laurel Kent and Oli-3 Queen; it's the sort of thing that happens in 30th century stories. If your 20th century ancestor was a big deal hero, I guess you pay attention to your lineage. The twin SPs examining the scene look like they're based on somebody from real life, but I don't know who.


Yay! Nice to know it wasn’t just me. Bats descendant reminded me more of Jonah Hex than Bruce Wayne though, No surprise that Giffen went on the do Hex. I wondered about the twins too.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Shvaughn Erin sees the Legionnaires off as they go after the LSV. In Tales, she's out in Dark Circle territory with Dev-Em; her part in that mission is either over, or this is one detail not coordinated between the two books. It's not a big deal, but keeping her with Dev-Em would have afforded an opportunity to develop another SP character as temporary Legion liasion. I wonder if they were considering ending her relationship with Jan at this point.


Good spot on Erin. There was me complimenting having the Shady/Lar continuity tip of the hat. Considering what happens later, a lot of people would have liked an early end to that relationship. smile
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Element Lad's bad habit of making snide comments displays itself again. I was struck by Jan's whisper to Cham - "good thing SOMEBODY remembers that it's not what your powers are, but how you use them."


Originally Posted by thoth
I didn’t see a panel where Jan was annoyed, but…


Jan has made a few snide comments in the past year - mostly against Nura as leader. I think I'm biased against him at this point, so may have been reading more into his mood than is indicated. It may be for the readers' benefit, but he hardly needs to reassure Cham that his power is useful at this point. This group is somposed of well-experienced Legionnaires. It was different when Tinya reassured Jacques about the importance of the less-muscular powers; he was the new kid. And you'd think Jo and Cham would be better friends/more appreciative of one another, since Cham saved his bacon when Jo was accused of murder - but maybe everybody's on edge here.

You make a good point about the divisions in the group and the ego jostling, the sniping back and forth. I believe Nura would have put an end to this; Jan lets it slide, doesn't want to deal with it or doesn't see the need to crack down on his team here. It's a different management style. Jo does appear to have a problem with leaders, but isn't really up to the task himself. You've delinieated a lot of personality development in this story.

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There are thirteen pages of the main plot, and I just don’t think that there’s enough momentum in it to really carry the book. I get the feeling that on reading the next part, I’ll think it could all have been condensed into a single issue story. By the numbers it seems to work. The threat escalates from lost world and controlled robots to Suneaters and Controllers. The reappearance of Sun eaters and background on how they can be created by Controllers is certainly a Legion sized threat. The heroes are given a choice to return home or destroy a threat that might cause harm later. But I think it gets off to too slow a start. The Legion spend three pages getting off a conveyor belt just so that their transport is destroyed. Battles with ACME robots later also don’t add much.


Agreed. Must have been a slow conveyor belt to take three pages. The robots were filler for me, but may have appealed to the action/battle readers. Perhaps if there was less time spent on belts and robots, there would have been more sub-plots disrupting the flow of the main story - or the story would have had to go past the big decision to forego returning home. We'll see if there are a bunch of scenes which could have been cut from #8.

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I wonder if there was any back lash form fans sympathising with Brin’s treatment?


There should have been, among fans of Brin! I'd have to check the letters, though.
Originally Posted by cramer
Jan has made a few snide comments in the past year - mostly against Nura as leader. I think I'm biased against him at this point, so may have been reading more into his mood than is indicated. It may be for the readers' benefit, but he hardly needs to reassure Cham that his power is useful at this point.


smile I was looking for a panel where he looked visibly annoyed. Oh, he snarks a lot. I'd like to see someone do it while he's leader as he was happy to do it as deputy (The "I snarked the Dream Girl, but I didn't snark the Element Lad" single should be out for this Klordny). On the plus side, I've a better grasp of the different leadership styles Nura and Jan have.

Originally Posted by cramer
Agreed. Must have been a slow conveyor belt to take three pages. The robots were filler for me, but may have appealed to the action/battle readers. Perhaps if there was less time spent on belts and robots, there would have been more sub-plots disrupting the flow of the main story - or the story would have had to go past the big decision to forego returning home. We'll see if there are a bunch of scenes which could have been cut from #8.


ACME robots are only really added when the writer realises it's been too many pages in an action based comic without a fight scene or when the page count doesn't add up and needs some padding. (AD: ACME Robots are delivered directly to your Omniprinter and their tharok circuits means quick self assembly! (and some minor death-dealing)) smile
Baxter # 7

Once again, I enjoyed reading the reviews of the issue more than the actual issue. Thoth's breakdown of the characters' personalities and interactions was particularly insightful; these traits are present in the actual story, but they don't come out quite as strongly as in the summary. To me, it looked more like typical Legion bantering--the kind we've seen in countless issues of countless super-team titles. The personalities just don't come off that strongly to me as some did in previous stories. Maybe Giffen's departure reveals that he had quite a lot to do with developing the characters.

It doesn't help that none of the five featured Legionnaires were among my favorites. Here Levitz misses an opportunity for me to really admire and care for them, as he did with Cham back in 301 and Jacques in the Dream Demon plotline. Those stories showed us different sides to the characters and gave us traits to admire (Cham's self-knowledge and determination to get his powers back; Jacques' loyalty to a man he'd never met but to whom he felt he owed so much). Here the Legionnaires go through the motions, and I felt there was no one to root for.

Jo, for example, goes nuts and flies the others away at the merest mention of radiation--leaving behind their space bubble and only apparent means off the planet. Cham one-ups Jo, and Jan secretly compliments him for doing so. The girls are more subdued, though Tinya stares admiringly at Jo. Vi doesn't get much of a chance to express herself (other than the tight spaces comment), though she does shine in battle.

One of the cardinal rules of story-telling for me is that I must be given a reason to care about at least one character, and it doesn't matter if I've cared about the character before. Every story is a new experience. "A Choice of Dooms" failed on that rule.

Another cardinal rule of mine is that every scene, character, and setting must demonstrate sufficient reason for being there, and there can be no wasted scenes or "bloating." The wasted scene of the ACME robots has already been mentioned, and it takes our heroes too long to get where they need to go: to the portal room where they spy the Controller and his lackey. I, too, feel the story could have been much shorter if not for the numerous subplots that had to be updated. Most of these subplots are good, but they highlight how little substance can be found in the main story.

While this is not a cardinal rule, another thing that bugs is the entire Controller/Sun-Eater angle. I think this might be the point where Levitz really started to hammer home the connections to past stories to a point where they ceased to be enhance the present stories or fill out our understanding of the characters. Instead the connections to the past become the central focus of the book. In my view, we don't need another Sun-Eater/Controller story (especially right on the heals of an LSV tale); that story has been done. I'd rather see some new adventures with new villains.

(And it seems rather odd that, in the vast cosmos and infinite dimensions, the Legionnaires just happen to stumble upon a world where a Sun-Eater is being produced! Small universe.)

So the main story--despite the magnitude of its stakes and the fateful decision Jan makes at the end--gets off to a slow start for me. How about those subplots?

It's great to have Ayla back, though she comes off as childish for picking a fight with Nura (who once again impresses me with her calm control and refusal to be baited). Her reaction to learning about the baby sure took the wind out of her solar sails! Since Ayla left the Legion before the pregnancy was announced, she may never have even known a baby was on the way.

I'm on the fence about her encounter with Brin. When I first read this story, and even on re-read, I felt sorry for Brin. He's clearly hurt by her rejection, and it was hard to see her cut him down in the hangar. However, Brin had it coming. He never tried to see things from her perspective. Instead he hired a private detective to track her down and acts mystified as to why she left him in the first place. He practically demands an answer from her. No wonder she wants to keep their relationship strictly professional.

A few other things happen, including Marte Allon moving out of the presidential suite. In hindsight, I regret her leaving office as she provided a sympathetic foil for the Legion--someone who was in the Legion's corner but constrained by the politics and duties of her office. Being Gim's mother provided an additional source of tension and story possibilities. I can't remember much about her successor, President Desai.

The private detective hired by Brin meets an unfortunate end--nothing wrong with a murder mystery subplot. But was it necessary to throw in that he was a descendant of Batman? This is another one of those convenient connections that just seems too much.

I've come to enjoy the fact that modern dramas such as those on Netflix run nine or ten episodes and then take a break. This format alleviates the need to come up with something every week and keep the story going. I feel like Baxter # 7 is one of those "keep the story going" issues. It keeps the Legion moving but, like a treadmill, there isn't much to see.
Originally Posted by HWW
Once again, I enjoyed reading the reviews of the issue more than the actual issue. Thoth's breakdown of the characters' personalities and interactions was particularly insightful; these traits are present in the actual story, but they don't come out quite as strongly as in the summary. To me, it looked more like typical Legion bantering--the kind we've seen in countless issues of countless super-team titles. The personalities just don't come off that strongly to me as some did in previous stories. Maybe Giffen's departure reveals that he had quite a lot to do with developing the characters.

It doesn't help that none of the five featured Legionnaires were among my favorites. Here Levitz misses an opportunity for me to really admire and care for them, as he did with Cham back in 301 and Jacques in the Dream Demon plotline. Those stories showed us different sides to the characters and gave us traits to admire (Cham's self-knowledge and determination to get his powers back; Jacques' loyalty to a man he'd never met but to whom he felt he owed so much). Here the Legionnaires go through the motions, and I felt there was no one to root for.


You touch on a number of things I found flat about the story HWW. In a title that's devoted a substantial amount of time to the heroes stuck on Orando, in this story, as well as since they were stuck there, I'd expect to have a strong idea of how they felt about their lives and each other. Perhaps there's a balance to be struck between '60 Avengers at each other's throats and characterisation that's subtle to the point of leaving a character vacuum to a lot of readers. There's a few things that can be teased out of this story, but not enough to make me think that there was an awful lot more going on.

Originally Posted by HWW
While this is not a cardinal rule, another thing that bugs is the entire Controller/Sun-Eater angle. I think this might be the point where Levitz really started to hammer home the connections to past stories to a point where they ceased to be enhance the present stories or fill out our understanding of the characters. Instead the connections to the past become the central focus of the book. In my view, we don't need another Sun-Eater/Controller story (especially right on the heals of an LSV tale); that story has been done. I'd rather see some new adventures with new villains.


I think it was just the Controllers/ Sun Eaters turn. smile Not to mention that the Controllers would be part of the plans for Crisis, so perhaps Levitz wanted to get in there first. smile

Mordru didn’t wake up in the Annual his story appeared in. Starfinger was beaten in a couple of panels by Garth when he reappeared. A lot of the LSV turned out to be fodder, despite that oath form the first issue. Levitz has often been quoted as admitting not being the best creator of villains. Perhaps the Omen/Prophet feedback didn’t help there. Like Omen/Prophet, there’s a better story in the bones of this one, than we got when it was fleshed out,


Originally Posted by HWW
(And it seems rather odd that, in the vast cosmos and infinite dimensions, the Legionnaires just happen to stumble upon a world where a Sun-Eater is being produced! Small universe.)


Next planet over from Mr Controller…

Mr Controller 2: Darn it Gladys! I can’t focus on my work with all that racket next door! Bloody Legionnaires!
Gladys Controller: I’ve a good mind to call the … well, not the Guardians… but to call over there and give them a piece of my mind!
Mr Controller 2: Wait, it’s stopped. Now I can finish this Singularity Bomb in peace…

Originally Posted by HWW
A few other things happen, including Marte Allon moving out of the presidential suite. In hindsight, I regret her leaving office as she provided a sympathetic foil for the Legion--someone who was in the Legion's corner but constrained by the politics and duties of her office. Being Gim's mother provided an additional source of tension and story possibilities. I can't remember much about her successor, President Desai.


Like falling across the Controller planet, what are the chances that a Legionnaire’s parent would become president by computer selection? Slender, without a Computo subplot, I should think.

Originally Posted by HWW
I've come to enjoy the fact that modern dramas such as those on Netflix run nine or ten episodes and then take a break. This format alleviates the need to come up with something every week and keep the story going. I feel like Baxter # 7 is one of those "keep the story going" issues. It keeps the Legion moving but, like a treadmill, there isn't much to see.


In an alternate world, the main team would get on with an adventure of their own, possibly brining in the Academy students. Later we’d learn what happened to the lost Legionnaires in a concise one issue story. One that will have repercussion in as they return to Earth.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
In a title that's devoted a substantial amount of time to the heroes stuck on Orando, in this story, as well as since they were stuck there, I'd expect to have a strong idea of how they felt about their lives and each other.


As I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the value of self-reflection--in life as well as in fiction. When characters don't reflect, it calls attention to the convention that they have to keep moving to keep readers interested. But as a reader (then and now), I lose interest if there's not something of personal significance happening.

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I think it was just the Controllers/ Sun Eaters turn. smile Not to mention that the Controllers would be part of the plans for Crisis, so perhaps Levitz wanted to get in there first. smile

Mordru didn’t wake up in the Annual his story appeared in. Starfinger was beaten in a couple of panels by Garth when he reappeared. A lot of the LSV turned out to be fodder, despite that oath form the first issue. Levitz has often been quoted as admitting not being the best creator of villains. Perhaps the Omen/Prophet feedback didn’t help there. Like Omen/Prophet, there’s a better story in the bones of this one, than we got when it was fleshed out,


I do give Levitz credit for finding some new and interesting things to do with the villains--especially in how Starfinger and Mordru were so easily defeated. As with any super-hero series, one expects to see recurring appearances by the rogues gallery. But the Sun-Eater was a one-time nemesis from long ago (albeit one which resulted in the death of a Legionnaire). Who's next? Morlock? Some stories should not have sequels.

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Like falling across the Controller planet, what are the chances that a Legionnaire’s parent would become president by computer selection? Slender, without a Computo subplot, I should think.


I recently learned that the star of one of the most iconic music videos of the early '80s was the daughter of Nigeria's first president. Such connections are possible. smile
Re: the over-extended ACME robot fight, this comment by Harry Broertjes on the merits of the early Adventure stories is apropos:

"The Marvel influence had yet to hit DC and the Legion.... which meant that back then there was little in the way of agonized introspection and option-weighing, and that fight scenes weren't lovingly rendered across eight or ten pages." -from Archives volume 3

There are probably readers who enjoy the long fight scenes (and giant robots). Obviously not us.

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But the Sun-Eater was a one-time nemesis from long ago (albeit one which resulted in the death of a Legionnaire). Who's next? Morlock? Some stories should not have sequels.


Funny you should mention Morlock, given the return of Dev-Em in Tales.... and has anyone noticed how much Morlock looks like he could have been Chuck Taine's father?
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Re: the over-extended ACME robot fight, this comment by Harry Broertjes on the merits of the early Adventure stories is apropos:

"The Marvel influence had yet to hit DC and the Legion.... which meant that back then there was little in the way of agonized introspection and option-weighing, and that fight scenes weren't lovingly rendered across eight or ten pages." -from Archives volume 3

There are probably readers who enjoy the long fight scenes (and giant robots). Obviously not us.


Brin Londo using super acrobatics against a highly adaptable robot to prove his humanity could be a scene of beauty. The Legion clearing the lower level minions of uninspired Planet Videogame a bit less so,

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Funny you should mention Morlock, given the return of Dev-Em in Tales.... and has anyone noticed how much Morlock looks like he could have been Chuck Taine's father?.


Lost Tales of the Legion: Long had the outcasts, the disenfranchised and the lost dwelt below our cities. They build downwards, seeking a new, better life. For centuries they forged their society, beneath the shifting tides of our own. Beneath our hatred and beneath our wars. Until Supergirl tunnelled through their world during her Legion initiation, causing untold damage. In the turmoil of rebuilding they discovered the toxic dumps (v4) of mankind that threatened the destruction of both man... and Morlock. Would the builders of a subterranean utopia be able to save mankind from itself?
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


Funny you should mention Morlock, given the return of Dev-Em in Tales.... and has anyone noticed how much Morlock looks like he could have been Chuck Taine's father?


Yes! I noticed this when I read my first Legion story (Adv. 328), which features a bust of Morlock.

"Coming up . . . Taine family secrets on Legion Insider!"
Tales #320 The Magpie Complex by Paul Levitz & Mindy Newell, art by Dan Jurgens & Karl Kesel, Colors by Carl Gaford, Letters by Adam Kubert

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Oli-3 Queen is giving a tour around Legion HQ. A yellow-skinned humanoid with multi-faceted eyes, named Magpie, has his own reasons for being there - he has plans to tour the HQ himself, for some shady purpose. He's pleased when he sees Dawnstar and a one-man cruiser leave; with his super-sight, he sees Gim and Dirk on the roof and hopes they'll also depart.

The two Legionnaires share their hopes that Dawnstar will be able to find the lost Legionnaires now that Brainy has boosted her tracking ability. They then discuss plans for the evening and Gigi Cusimano.

By 2 AM, Magpie finds the area deserted and enters the HQ with a dematerializer. Since this mimicks Tinya's power, the security system allows him in. He's been supplied with security codes and also has a scanner which imitates Chief Zendak's identity. Magpie wonders who has ordered this heist, although the Monitor hired him.

He passes through a hall with statues of dead Legionnaires, another one with villains. What he sought was not in the trophy room. As he enters a room with statues of inactive Legionnaires, he sees Brin approach a statue of Ayla, then sit down and mope beside it. Although Magpie considers Brin to be one of the less intelligent Legionnaires, he's relieved that he has escaped detection. Consulting a floor plan, he finds his way to the multi-lab and retrieves his target, a multi-chip. Suddenly, he's interrupted by Thom and Nura; she foresaw his intrusion. As Nura attacks, Thom increases the mass of the dematerializer so that it sinks into the floor. However, Magpie has a panic button, hits it and disappears. He's left the micro-chip behind. Nura is puzzled, since the lab should have been teleportation-proof and Magpie got through all their defenses; Thom wonders if Brainy has messed up Dawnstar as well.

Magpie is glad to be done with the Monitor, who he considers creepy. The Monitor and Lyla discuss the failed heist; the Monitor contacts Universo to report failure, but Universo says he no longer needs the timechip, since he's put other plans into motion.

The next morning, Brin encounters Computo and asks why it failed to defend the HQ. Computo offers an explanation of a burned-out unit, claims it has been solved, then leaves; Brin discovers that he can't open the door and wonders what Computo was up to.

Comments:
The story is very simple: Magpie gives us a tour of the HQ, while trying to steal something, supplying us with a variety of interesting tidbits. Additionally, players are put in position for upcoming stories.

Magpie describes himself as the greatest thief, apparently displacing my beloved Ben Pares as primo heist-master in the Legionverse. He has the advantage of super-eyes but otherwise relies on gadgets which were given to him by his employer, the Monitor. He should have had to use his own gadgets to qualify as super-thief, but it's implied that even he couldn't break into the HQ otherwise.

Thom, Nura and Brin may have a different opinion; all voice distrust of the security systems in place.

It's only at the end that we learn the object to be stolen is a timechip and Universo was the client. Although some suspense is created by wondering what Magpie is after and why, I don't think it would have altered the story had we been given this information at the start. The story is essentially a tour of the HQ and, even at the end, we don't know what Universo wanted with a timechip - or how the Monitor got involved as middleman.

We do have forebodings: Universo has some plan in place, Computo is acting suspiciously, Dawnstar may be in some trouble with her boosted power, is there a Gim-Gigi-Dirk triangle? The Monitor's role in all this is still unclear.

The big feature of this issue is the detailed sketch of the Legion HQ with descriptions of different areas. It's great fun for geeky readers, although it whets the appetite for still more detail. The complete blueprints with photos of each area would be a start... Of note, there's a lobby with a reception desk (is Computo the receptionist, or a civilian?). Gim has kept a room there, although he lives outside; Garth and Imra share quarters, but no other couples do (Comics Code?). Would Yera have been allowed in as a Legion wife, are quarters only for members or is there enough tension regarding her deception that she's still not welcome there? Chuck and Lu don't have a place, but Superboy and Supergirl do... and there are plenty of spares for new members. There's an interrogation room (!) and an office for "visiting SP officers", which implies that they (not just Shvaughn) drop in on occasion to file reports or something.

I thought statues went out with the Adventure era. Tribute to the dead, okay - but villains and inactive members? They haven't gotten around to taking down Ayla's statue (maybe Brin could move it into his quarters). Val Armorr isn't there; could Ayla have brought news of his death or was she not aware he had died? In any event, the statues panels were wasted on me.

More reminders that Brin is a dope (because he wasn't before?) and lovesick over Ayla. It should provide Magpie with a tasty bit of gossip for other villains, since the thief seemed oddly taken with Brin's behaviour.

Thom and Nura appear to be on good - or even cuddly - terms at this point. I liked how Nura took the physically aggressive role with Magpie and Thom waited; he could just as easily handled the whole thing himself. They make a good team, in that respect, and their dialogue is relaxed. However, I was surprised that Thom couldn't turn off his power; it's something I hadn't thought of before.
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The background on the cover offers plenty of detail, while it’s uniform colouring highlights the characters and the logo. Having Nura, Thom and Magpie on different levels really helps the perspective of the shot too. the title placement, also aids that angle of perspective. It’s a lovely cover. Of course, it was some time before I’d see an Eisner cover. Spoiled rotten by that, I’d quibble that the title could have been incorporated into a futuristic billboard more than it was. smile

The captions narrate the story through the well-trained eyes of our villain, The Magpie. An Ollie-3 tourist bus introduces us to him as he reconnoitres the Legion HQ. It could be argued that he should have already known the plans beforehand. But in the world of Levitz plotting, the scene is there for other reasons too. The HQ is shown on the splash because the story is also about its layout. Ollie-3 is shown because it’s a set up for the Laurel Kent subplot. As the villain pays off the kid, we see Dawny and Brainy depart, leading us into next issue.

The interchange between the passengers raises the value of the story. The kid’s attitude grows from blunt politeness through frustration to rudeness. But he’s well brought up enough to realise what him mom would think about getting money from a stranger. The villain is not a cackling madman. He’s just focused. Money talks in his world and that’s how he resolves this. That it worries the kid must really get to him. This approach would be lifted for Roxxas in v4 when a kid returns a holo-vid. Of course, the kid has other things to worry about. That’s Granny Goodness V sitting beside him and when she says “Little boy, please be quiet,” you’re in trouble. smile

Watching Dawny and Brainy depart from another angle (Jurgens even shows us Ollie’s tour bus at the bottom) are Dirk and Gim, also setting us up for their scene, continuing their subplot, and also acting as a lead in for the back up story.

It’s three introductory pages, and yet they really highlight the craft and layering that Levitz brings to the Legion books.

Dirk and Gim discuss their plans for the night. Gim only assumes Dirk might be seeing Gi Gi. Dirk doesn’t confirm anything. Of course, later we’d find out that Gim doesn’t mention her name by accident. It’s a good exchange, complete with friendly baiting, between two men who have known each other a long time, and who have different values. One’s only recently married (that gets me out of saying “happily” in case there’s v4 repercussions) and the other very much on the singles scene.

Dirk is worth watching closely in this issue. He’s keen to go off duty and get ready for a night on the town. But that hasn’t got in the way of his genuine concern for his colleagues. It’s Dirk who’s worrying over the monitor screen about the missing.

Of course, Levitz is also layering here too. Gim and Dirk don’t specifically mention why Brainy and Dawny are leaving in the opening panel. It’s a good lesson in avoiding exposition, as both men should know why they are on the roof waving. It’s through Dirk’s hopes in the final panel that the reader learns what’s going on. Dirk’s mention of it being a “big galaxy” is also a reinforcement of the shortage of Legionnaires subplot. That also pays off in the Magpie’s captions of infiltrating when the group is low on numbers later on. The night on the town also helps put the readers mind into thinking that it’s the end of a day, leading into Magpie making his move in the next scene. Writing craft at work again.

The Magpie makes his move at 2am, using advanced gadgetry to circumvent the Legion’s security systems. The villain, anticipating the reader, wonders how his supplier knew all the codes. Jurgens, having shown Magpie in a coat on the tour bus, switches visuals for the villain by showing that his mission outfit is designed to be as form fitting, and light weight as possible. The Magpie may be the first male villain to have a man bag, giving him metropolitan credentials. There’s a balance between a silent scene of the infiltration and having too much internal dialogue, and Mindy Newell strays too much to the latter. The captions used earlier could have provided us with the balance, and told us about Magpie’s time on Galtos, his hatred of Zendak, and his self-proclaimed status as best thief in the galaxy (this would be mentioned in v4 again, with Ben Pares and Spider Girl). But hey, she’s doing the dialogue and it would have been brave to return the pages with very little of it. We’ll see how she gets on in her own plots shortly.

The Magpie’s backer is given away needlessly in the thought bubbles. That reveal is coming later in the issue. It could be argued that, since it’s a direct link to a scene in #319, that the backer had already been revealed. But I think it could have been kept quiet within the story itself. (Shoemaker (not the artist in #320) drew really great bracelets for Shady in #319 – Look Back For Link Lad.)
The issue reminds me of a take on the Adult Legion story where Superman is taken on his tour of the building. Magpie goes through reception and, the hall of heroes to the trophy room.
Magpie’s dematerialisation device mimics Phantom Girl. The idea is that the building is attuned to her powers. But Tinya set up the HQ (well, previous ones so why not this one) to prevent other phantoms from attacking it. It’s not just her phasing that the HQ is attuned to.

Oddly, the villain wishes to have a statue among the great Legion villains. All of whom were defeated more than once.

The villains’ plans go awry when the device he’s after isn’t in its case. Doe anyone recognise what else is in the case, and where it came from?

He’s interrupted further by the arrival of a lovelorn Timberwolf. Sculptor Lad had created statues of inactive Legionnaires to go with the fallen and the villains. Ayla is just back as Lightning Lass, and Brin is getting in some last-minute moping in front of the woman he thinks of her as; Light Lass. I’m not sure how the cross-book time is working here, but I think this is after he got told off. If only he had communicated to her while they were still a couple.

Having to come up with plan B, The Magpie looks for a floor plan. Like the tour bus, the best thief in the galaxy presumably would know all this. But it’s just a tease to give the reader a double page splash of the Legion Headquarters layout. Magpie could have just called me, as Li’l thoth must have devoured this splash page. Mind you, this reread gave me a faint echo of when I read the ad for Spanner’s Galaxy for the first time too. smile

The schematic is a lovely companion to the single page exterior splash in #311 (-Look It Up Lad at your service!). It’s also acted as source material for any number of RPGs.

It’s given away by the captions, but to those that know the symbols off by heart it’s immediately obvious that Brainy is kept well apart due to his experiments. There’s something else about it I’ll come back to.

Newell give Magpie the lovely line of “Boy, this place is complicated” but he does get to Brainy’s multi-lab. He even gets to hold his prize; a micro-chip (strong parallels with the v7 story by Levitz on the theft of the Tharok chip). As we get ready for the Magpie’s escape, he’s interrupted by Nura and Thom.

It’ reminds me of the opening scene in the Baxter book. Nura just happened to be within earshot of Micro Lad’s attack. Coincidence? Here, it’s definitely an active premonition that brings them both down to find the villain. “When have I ever been wrong, Thom?” could have brought a “maybe he’s a carboard cut out of a villain, Nura” as a response, but Thom knows better. smile Thom does wonder how the villain knew where to look. The pair share some comfortable, couple dialogue. They seem confident and in control of the situation. It’s just an excuse to get in a Mandated by the Comic Gods fighting scene but, by chatting, they’ve not actually been doing their job and the Magpie opens fire.

As per recent battles, including that opening Baxter scene, Nura shows just how capable she is in combat. Magpie has been shown to be very agile, but he’s no match for her. By Thom not just pinning the guy to the ground, the Magpie gets to teleport away. We get a nice Nura-in-combat scene, showing the readers just what an effective character she is overall (although she obsesses about nails). But the Legion have had their spangly new HQ breached, by a villain they should have captured but now can’t trace for reasons unknown. Thom doesn’t seem to be able to cancel his power once activated, and there’s a tease regarding what effect Brainy’s experiments have had on Dawny.

The following page offers the reader an explanation. Jurgens draws a lovely satellite for the Monitor. It sits undetected above Earth’s polymer shield. Another clue, above the gadgets, on his advanced The Monitor’s Plot Pushing Handwavium technology is. The caption tells us that the Monitor also took back the Magpie’s gadgets, and we see Lyla holding the bag. There’s some good synergy/ attention to detail between Jurgens and Newell that can add a lot to the book. I’m not sure that was the dematerialisation device that Thom nailed to the floor, but the villain did have any number of them.

The real treat for the reader is that The Monitor was acting as an intermediary to Universo. The villains’ goal was to retrieve a time chip. Although the plan failed, Universo tells the Monitor that he has new plans to deal with the Legion. It’s ominous stuff. We spoke about the return of both Controllers and Sun Eaters as a mixed blessing in the last Baxter issue. Universo falls into the same bracket. This is a very early Tales Tease for a subplot that would have a very long life in the Baxter book. Likewise, that Controller subplot would also make a later return in Baxter. Yes, Universo is an old foe. But a new foe wouldn’t have given me the same reaction on this page.

This whole main story is essentially a Crisis crossover, before Crisis launched. There was an editorial mandate that the Monitor make tow appearances in each book before the Crisis. Not a lot was known about the Monitor at this stage. As Wolfman’s plot changed, so di the Monitor’s goals, and this worked out to be a real blessing. What had been revealed, and what had been suggested to writers and editors, was that The Monitor could be used as a plot hook for a story where he sells his services as an intermediary to villains. Being a good DC trooper, as you’d hope for in his position, Levitz has used The Monitor in exactly that way. In addition to functioning as the Monitor’s appearance, Levitz has also threaded it with several Legion subplots including:-

Laurel Kent/ JLA descendants; Brainy/ Dawnstar; Brainy’s experiments on Dawny (and by extension Jacques to come); Missing Legionnaires; Size of the team/new recruits; Gim/Dirk/Gi Gi; Ghost of Ferro Lad; Brin/Ayla; Thom/Nura (the key word is “spat”) and, of course, the return of Universo.

Although it might have been relief considering plotting for two books, Levitz might well have had fun taking Wolman’s suggestion as a plot spine and then building all that extra information in. Because of all the layering going on here, this issue is one of a number of Levitz issues that has a certain extra depth to it, beyond the basic main plot. I was going to say plot density, but “dense” is what The Magpie calls Brin. That, the Ghost of Ferro Lad, and “freak” to describe Brainy gives the reader a hint that the Legionnaires are often discussed by the criminals they catch.

Speaking of Brin, the final page shows a post mope Brin angry at Computo for not stopping Magpie. Computo conveniently was put out of action. That’s the problem when you tighten comic HQ security. You have to have a way of getting past it every time. Fortunately having Els and Daxamites around, gives Legion writers plenty of practice at this sort of thing. Here, it was presumably down to Magpie’s devices. It could have been The Monitor, although he didn’t intervene at any other point. There’s also the very real chance (and the way I read it first at this reread) that Computo has reverted to villainous type again.

One downside to this being inspired by Crisis meetings is that the team don’t investigate what happened far more thoroughly. Where did the Magpie come from? How did he get that equipment and what does that mean for security? Magpie has been in prison before. Can the Legion look for him again? Is the reason they don’t do this because Brainy and Dawny aren’t here? Will Brainy not be worried about Computo being taken out of action? Especially considering what’s in the Computo majordomo and that last page?

Lost Tales of the Legion: Six months of issues having the Legion investigate the Magpie incident, other Monitor villain-backing plots, and finding themselves involved in a Universo’s scheme as well as a direct lead into the Crisis, as befits the era with Time Beacons and Brainiac 5.

The issue reminds me of Val and Jeckie being attacked by Pharoxx on their honeymoon. When the LSV did attack, Legionnaires couldn’t say that they didn’t know it was coming. When Universo comes, they should only look to their lack of investigating the Magpie Complex.
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This one leads off from the first story in a few ways, so I’m adding it early this week (and I’ve got spare time for a change - yay!)

The latest Metropolis club, the Lone Star Café, is a bit desperate looking. Perhaps Superboy being recruited really has had a lasting retro effect on 30th century society. Now we have creepy, and dull, singles joints. Extra icky points for showing Charles Xavier picking up Kitty Pryde (surname Storm here) at the bar, in front of a jilted Colossus. How old was Pryde in the X-Books? Ewwww.

In the opening story, both Dirk and Gim tell us that they have plans for the evening. Gim asks if Dirk is seeing Gi Gi, and Dirk assumes that “hen pecked” (and that could be literal with Yera) Gim has to get home. Dirk has been shown as being easily made to be jealous, and he still asks Gim about how close he and Gi Gi were.

As pointed out above, there was already a lot going on in this scene in how it connected plots such as Brainy/ Dawny; JLA descendants; the missing Legionnaires and new recruits. The Gi Gi/ Sun Boy/ Gim triangle had also being going on, overlapping the Gim/ Year/ Vi plot. That last batch gets a pay off here.

As he boasts about his heroism to a not unattractive girl at the bar, Dirk spits Gim and Gi Gi in a booth. There’s some close chatting and a hug between them. But it just throws Dirk for a loop., completely distracting him from his date. Dirk though he and Gi Gi had “an understanding”. In other words, Dirk thought he could play the field and didn’t think for a moment Gi Gi wasn’t completely beholden to him and his hero status, or had ideas of her own.

The above sums up Dirk. He is heroic. He possibly really did save his colleagues. But it’s something he uses. He loves being a hero and he loves what he thinks of as being the life of a hero and the social perks it provides. There was a scene where he flew Gi Gi from her apartment. Every bit the hero, going into action, wooing the girl along the way and with the Legion to pick up the bills.
Add to that, his reaction here. He can’t believe that someone he’s playing around with would find anyone else. Surely, he will always be able to be the hero again when he chooses to get them back?
Now lift and drop what we’ve learned about Dirk in this scene into the start of v4 and you can see where it all went wrong for him. He is a hero, but there’s only so long people are going to wait and, in the end, it might be too late to come back.

I think there’s also a bit of Dirk that can’t believe someone would prefer Gim to him. He’s very quick to directly confront people in this subplot. That tells me that he thinks he should be the centre of attention. Gim is smiling an open with his friend, as he gets on with his early morning gym work. He’s completely honest about his relationship with Gi Gi. He always has been. They are old friends. Possibly very close ones, but that’s in the past as Gim’s married.

Dirk isn’t having any of this. His brow furrows at Gim’s happy brush off. The next panel gives us Dirk’s thoughts. It’s a dark panel as he stalks off to confront Gi Gi “Well, if he won’t play straight with me, I know someone who will! … At least she’d better, if she knows what’s good for her!”

I like to think a little better of people, let alone Dirk, than what is shown in this story. But there of plenty of people just like this about, all waiting for any number of scenarios to push their buttons. As such, it also connects directly to v4 in the issue where we see a lot of Dirk’s past, his relationships with his parents and, more pertinent here, how he treats his partners.

Gim’s “what’s he so mad about anyway?” is an odd thought as we’ll see. Dirk does confront Gi Gi. Bear in mind his anger from the last scene. For Gi Gi, he’s changed back into his romantic, flame powered hero role (could it be argued it’s a guise and not a role in this scenario?). Gi Gi plays up to being smitten with him, both in front of Dvron and on the way to the park.

And this is another dark moment for Dirk. He uses the fact that Gim is his colleague to try and break up that relationship up. It is nothing to do with Gim, or his marriage of course. This is all about Dirk. This is Dirk’s plan to control events. It’s seeming selflessness goes along nicely with the heroic flight down to Gi Gi, use of powers and demand to talk (not ask mind, demand.) we just saw.

Like Gim, Gi Gi is bright and breezy about the whole thing. She thought she and Dirk would fool around when Dirk arrived (on duty officer?) But when he wants to talk in the park and set up a later date, she brushes him off. Dirk mumbles something about having been busy with the Legion as an excuse for not returning calls. As Gi Gi goes off to a party with Dvron, Dirk is the one left thinking on a bench. Gi Gi is open and honest about her past with Gim, just as Gim was. Being up front is something that Dirk really struggles with in conversations with both.

The last page reveals this has all been a setup. Yera was the blonde at the bar on a date with Dirk, just so Dirk would see Gi Gi and Gim together. It’s a lesson to Dirk about the way he treats others. When Dirk arrived to meet her, Gi Gi was interested in a kiss and then fooling around. But if Dirk wasn’t available when Gi Gi wanted him, then there was someone else (Dvron) she was meeting up with later anyway, after a previous evening with Gim. If Dirk wanted to talk instead about a serious relationship issue, well that’s too bad, and he’s literally benched.

The trouble is that Gi Gi had to plan something that comes naturally to Dirk. While there’s an opening left for her relationship with Dirk, you get the feeling that he hasn’t learned a thing. His thought bubble of “Dvron? Nuts!” says that he’s wondering how he lost out to Dvron. Just as he did to Gim. It hasn’t crossed his mind what he’s really doing wrong. He might not be able to come up with that answer. Sadly, with all the v4 links, we know that he doesn’t learn the big lessons here. Honestly, Gi Gi is better off out of it.

Despite all of the relationship messages in this story, and I’ve just touched on some of them, it’s all told in a light hearted manner that’s to the credit of Levitz, Newell and Jurgens. It can be read just as easily with the summary of “Dirk gets his comeuppance” without having the other levels dumped on you.

Interestingly, in the run up to the Baxter books the creative teams discussed the scope of Baxter as being able to provide more mature stories. Could they deal with certain levels of sex or violence or message?

But Levitz was already writing plenty of mature stories, such as this one. Ironically, as groups of super villains run around the opening Baxter book, it’s the Tales book that’s providing the comics for grown ups.

The grown up nature of the relationships shown here connects back to the first story, and it’s view of the HQ. In the schematic, only Imra and Garth are sharing quarters. But in the Talok story, Shady refers to Lar as her lover. Tinya and Jo are clearly intimate, well before that Reflecto story. Nura gets Thom out of bed to confront Magpie, and I don’t think she had to go up a level and down a corridor to do it. Yet, the chaste HQ diagram shows them all in separate quarters. It’s like the discussion on the tone of the Baxter book. There are codes in place, but the depth and maturity in the stories is already there without having to be explicit.

Chuck is also shown as having quarters. I like to think that’s because he’s Legion morale officer and liaison with the Academy or even a printing error. But I keep thinking about some marital issues with Lu shown in v4

I’ve covered the Crisis impact on this issue, but behind the scenes we also see the departure of Terry Shoemaker as penciller. According to his interview in the Legion Companion, Shoemaker had found out that some of the faces on his first issue had been reworked to make them a bit more expressive. This was probably as much to make the transition from Giffen smoother as anything else.
Shoemaker says that he made a late might call to Karen Berger and quit. As personal as something like that must feel, it’s been done often enough all through comics history, including some top artists. But how many new artists starting out would know that? Kirby, Toth and Sekowsky to name three have had heads occasionally tweaked to fit in with DC editorial. Ironically , the style they were tweaked to was often Curt Swan, who Shoemaker cites as an influence and is one you can see in his work.

Shoemaker comes across as a huge Legion fan in the interview. But even if he hated the assignment, which he didn’t, his art really helped me become interested in the Legion. The quality of his work stand out after all these years in these rereads.

I thought above that the use of The Magpie as a Monitor villain was used as a convenient Crisis tie in on both a creative and editorial level (Levitz showing how much buy in he had to other creative teams). But I’m also thinking that the decision to have the Magpie story based on the Legion HQ was helped by having a time saving two page splash of the Legion HQ prepared previously (was it prepared by Giffen?)

Elsewhere Li’l thoth got DC Comics Present 78 (It has the Forgotten Heroes and Villains – so my first look at the Immortal Man, Animal Man and the Enchantress); Justice League 235 (Steel spotlight);; Wonder Woman 323 (Etta Candy as Wondy on the cover); Flash 342 (flash gets a new face); Superman 404 (you can say how good Moore’s whatever happened to the man of tomorrow was. I’ll disagree and also point out it was being done for years already. Like here. smile) Action 564 (Supes doesn’t know he’s Supes!); All- Star Squadron 43 (Liberty Belle against the enemy!); America vs the JSA 2; World’s Finest 312 (against the Network!)

I was still having to get whatever was left at the newsstand, but that’s quite a haul.

Of Legion Interest:-

Superman: The Secret Years – This takes place between Clark’s time as Superboy and his appearance as Superman. I guess it was canon for the time. It’s an odd one for me. I got it with the others, but the local newsagents weren’t known for miniseries and the like. I also had no Superboy reference whatsoever. Out of the pile, this one was read least. Well, that and Wondy probably. There’s no mention of the Legion I could see, and a quick read shows me I was probably a bit too young for the story.

The Best of Blue Ribbon Digest 57 was all about the Legion:-
The Legion of Super Outlaws (Adv 324), Lex Luthor Meets the Legion of Super Heroes (Adv325), Revolt of the Girl Legionnaires (Adv 326), The Lone Wolf Legionnaire (327); The Lad Who wrecked the Legion (Adv 328); The Bizarro Legion (Adv 329). There’s also the Origins and Powers of the Legion of Super Heroes (Adv 316)

Giffen was off doing The Immortal Dr Fate, whose costume appeared in the GDS. The mini might have included Nabu, who got into v4.

The Supergirl Movie Special came out. We’ve spoken about the fate of Supergirl and the wait for the movie figures to come in and seal her fate. I don’t even have the humour to connect Supergirl and seal with an Aquaman crossover event joke.

Of LW note, Terry Long gave up chasing college girls in the Titans wedding special. My newsagent wouldn’t have stocked it. But was that college remembering tears in the eyes of the woman behind the counter? Had she had a fling with Mr Long?
320: "The Magpie Complex"

I think I would like this story better if it weren't so obviously a Crisis tie-in and an excuse to show the blueprints of the new HQ.

Back up a bit. In late 1984, it was an exciting time to be a Legion/DC fan. Crisis loomed on the horizon, and the various tie-ins promised great things. The Monitor's role in this story was exciting and full of promise. Superman: The Secret Years #1 had just been published, which was intended to guide our ace Kryptionian into adulthood (and presumably transition him into some new kind of relationship with the Legion). Unfortunately, neither of those promises amounted to much so far as the Legion was concerned. The Legion isn't really affected by Crisis (other than the death of the long-forgotten Kid Psycho and the death of Supergirl, who was always a peripheral character). Superman: The Secret Years # 1 doesn't even mention the Legion (thanks, thoth, for confirming this).

As for the blueprint . . . chalk it up to growing older, I suppose, or being jaded as a fan, but I couldn't get excited about this. To be sure, I loved the diagram of the Legion's citadel headquarters published in one of the tabloids and the cutaway of the cruiser in 219. But these blueprints are bland. Further, I don't care where the Legionnaires' personal quarters are. This information really doesn't impact any story. And the blueprint loses the charm that the earlier diagrams had; they featured panels from the actual comics and images of the Legionnaires doing stuff. This is just . . . there. But, for all the fans who loved it, more power to you. smile

So, for me, "The Magpie Complex" must be judged on its own merits. The idea is sound: we get to see a criminal's-eye view of Legion headquarters as he infiltrates it to steal something. I just wish there had been more meat to the story. Magpie isn't that interesting a character: a second-rate Ben Pares without the sense of threat the latter posed. (Pares wanted to steal the Miracle Machine and openly boasted about doing so.) Magpie talks a good game about being "the best thief in the United Planets," but he's thrown for a loop when the object he expects to find isn't where he expects to find it, and he's unprepared to deal with two Legionnaires. (Since he manages to escape, he makes Thom and Nura look even worse.)

The Legionnaires are of secondary importance to this story since it is told from Magpie's point of view. It's kind of interesting to view them as Magpie sees them: Brin swooning over a statue, Nura being a proactive fighter but worrying over a nail, and Thom hanging back until the situation requires him to act. If the Legionnaires don't come off looking good in this story, maybe it's because that's how they appear to the villain.

Subplots, subplots . . . Oli-3 Queen is there to remind us of the JLA descendants (I had forgotten that the murder of Batman's descendant actually leads somewhere), and Universo is revealed to be the Monitor's employer--a revelation that will not go anywhere for quite some time yet. It's interesting to note how far in advance Levitz planned things (if he planned them smile ), but it does take a long time for some of the ideas to pay off, and, in the meantime, tension is lost.

Dan Jurgens' art is competent but a letdown after Shoemaker. Jurgens would eventually develop into a first-rate draftsman--I fondly remember some of his Valiant work. Here he seems to be finding his way.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Garth and Imra share quarters, but no other couples do (Comics Code?).


I assume it's because none of the other couples are married. Couples living together was still a radical concept at the time, at least in middle America.

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Would Yera have been allowed in as a Legion wife, are quarters only for members or is there enough tension regarding her deception that she's still not welcome there?


I assume (though I have no evidence) that there would be nothing wrong with Yera staying overnight or even an extended stay; her name obviously isn't on the blueprint since she's not a Legionnaire. But that brings me to . . .

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Chuck and Lu don't have a place, but Superboy and Supergirl do...


Chuck apparently does have a room. if I remember the icons correctly, his quarters are next to Superboy's. However the diagram does not match up with the caption boxes. Chuck's quarters are described as "vacant." The caption on Page 9 omits Cham, even though his icon is shown between Jo's and Mon's.

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I thought statues went out with the Adventure era. Tribute to the dead, okay - but villains and inactive members?


Good point. The statues are very retro and unnecessary at this point, except, perhaps, for the statues of deceased Legionnaires. Perhaps the Legion or Brande had a contract with a statue maker and had to continue to find work for this artist until the contract ran out. smile

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Val Armorr isn't there; could Ayla have brought news of his death or was she not aware he had died?


Good question. Do any of the Legionnaires know he died--or what became of Orando? Only the currently missing Legionnaires would seem to possess this knowledge.

Originally Posted by thoth lad
That’s Granny Goodness V sitting beside him and when she says “Little boy, please be quiet,” you’re in trouble. smile


Ah, so that was Darkseid's real curse. smile

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It’s three introductory pages, and yet they really highlight the craft and layering that Levitz brings to the Legion books.


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Of course, Levitz is also layering here too. Gim and Dirk don’t specifically mention why Brainy and Dawny are leaving in the opening panel. It’s a good lesson in avoiding exposition, as both men should know why they are on the roof waving. It’s through Dirk’s hopes in the final panel that the reader learns what’s going on.


Good points. There is a lot of storytelling craft on display in this issue.

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There’s a balance between a silent scene of the infiltration and having too much internal dialogue, and Mindy Newell strays too much to the latter. The captions used earlier could have provided us with the balance, and told us about Magpie’s time on Galtos, his hatred of Zendak, and his self-proclaimed status as best thief in the galaxy (this would be mentioned in v4 again, with Ben Pares and Spider Girl). But hey, she’s doing the dialogue and it would have been brave to return the pages with very little of it. We’ll see how she gets on in her own plots shortly.


Mindy: But, Paul, there's no reason for a thought balloon here. The art conveys what the reader needs to know.
Paul: Gee, you're right. I guess that means we don't have to pay you the full rate for those pages.
Mindy: On second thought, a little extra clarity doesn't hurt. smile

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Oddly, the villain wishes to have a statue among the great Legion villains. All of whom were defeated more than once.


Judging by who is "honored," Magpie would need to be defeated at least twice more to earn his statue. When you're a villain, any ego gratification will do. smile

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The villains’ plans go awry when the device he’s after isn’t in its case. Doe anyone recognise what else is in the case, and where it came from?


It looks like Brainy's force field belt and a ray gun of some sort (the one Thom used to kill Kenz Nuhor, perhaps?). No idea what the other objects are.
320: "Triangle?"

I had completely forgotten this story; re-reading it was like reading it anew.

What a delight it was! We all know Gim would never cheat on Yera--this is a Code-approved book, after all; infidelity may be suspected or alluded to, but it would never be actually shown or acknowledged. So, something more must be going on other than what Dirk sees--and something is.

This story does not put Dirk in the best of light (heh); in fact, he's a real cad--a clueless boob who thinks it's all about him and who expects to have an "arrangement" with women that allows him to play the field while they dutifully wait for his call (which likely never comes). Gim recognizes these traits, and now that a friend of his is involved with Dirk, he's got an excuse to act. Further, he has a talented shape-changing wife who's willing to participate in teaching Dirk a lesson (which Dirk nevertheless fails to grasp--though maybe it gives him something to reflect on).

The story presents a mature and honest look at both Dirk and Gigi. Her comment about being "on green while the light was flashing red" rang true. There were signs that Dirk was not going to give her what she wanted, though she may initially have been blind to them.

(Dan Jurgens draws a lovely Gigi, by the way. I couldn't help thinking he modeled her after Suzi Quatro.)

It's sad to look back on this story in the context of 5YL. Dirk had a real opportunity to learn something here, to grow in a new way, and to appreciate Gigi as a woman and not a plaything. He blew it.

Originally Posted by thoth
The villain is not a cackling madman. He’s just focused. Money talks in his world and that’s how he resolves this.


True, and it's refreshing to see a bad guy who's rational.

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It’s three introductory pages, and yet they really highlight the craft and layering that Levitz brings to the Legion books.


This is one aspect I really enjoy about the Legion at this time. There's a lot going on, in different areas, and Levitz keeps track of all the threads, going forward and back.

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The Magpie may be the first male villain to have a man bag, giving him metropolitan credentials. There’s a balance between a silent scene of the infiltration and having too much internal dialogue, and Mindy Newell strays too much to the latter.


LSH was always such a trend-setting book! Internal dialogue, comic book villains do tend to be chatty. Maybe Magpie was chattering to himself because he was nervous.

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The real treat for the reader is that The Monitor was acting as an intermediary to Universo. The villains’ goal was to retrieve a time chip. Although the plan failed, Universo tells the Monitor that he has new plans to deal with the Legion. It’s ominous stuff. We spoke about the return of both Controllers and Sun Eaters as a mixed blessing in the last Baxter issue. Universo falls into the same bracket. This is a very early Tales Tease for a subplot that would have a very long life in the Baxter book. Likewise, that Controller subplot would also make a later return in Baxter. Yes, Universo is an old foe. But a new foe wouldn’t have given me the same reaction on this page.


Universo was a good surprise and, knowing his history, did pack an extra punch. We never found out what his original plan was with the time chip, but the mind races to many possibilities.

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I was going to say plot density, but “dense” is what The Magpie calls Brin. That, the Ghost of Ferro Lad, and “freak” to describe Brainy gives the reader a hint that the Legionnaires are often discussed by the criminals they catch.


I was also attracted by the possibility of villainous gossip. Too bad we never had a Villains Picnic Reunion issue in which they swapped stories and tips about the Legionnaires.

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One downside to this being inspired by Crisis meetings is that the team don’t investigate what happened far more thoroughly. Where did the Magpie come from? How did he get that equipment and what does that mean for security? Magpie has been in prison before. Can the Legion look for him again? Is the reason they don’t do this because Brainy and Dawny aren’t here? Will Brainy not be worried about Computo being taken out of action? Especially considering what’s in the Computo majordomo and that last page?


It would have been easy to slip in a panel or two in future issues referring to Magpie, even if just to suggest that they have no leads on him. And certainly everyone should be keeping a log of Computo's "errors".

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Extra icky points for showing Charles Xavier picking up Kitty Pryde (surname Storm here) at the bar, in front of a jilted Colossus. How old was Pryde in the X-Books? Ewwww.


Oh, I'm sure he was just recruiting her for a mission, or offering her a scholarship. smile

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The above sums up Dirk. He is heroic. He possibly really did save his colleagues. But it’s something he uses. He loves being a hero and he loves what he thinks of as being the life of a hero and the social perks it provides. There was a scene where he flew Gi Gi from her apartment. Every bit the hero, going into action, wooing the girl along the way and with the Legion to pick up the bills.
Add to that, his reaction here. He can’t believe that someone he’s playing around with would find anyone else. Surely, he will always be able to be the hero again when he chooses to get them back?
Now lift and drop what we’ve learned about Dirk in this scene into the start of v4 and you can see where it all went wrong for him. He is a hero, but there’s only so long people are going to wait and, in the end, it might be too late to come back.


Quite sad, when you think about how he ended up in v.4. Here, he's just a bit of a jerk with women who gets his comeuppance. Indeed, it doesn't change him; it's more for Gigi's benefit. She tells him she has a date with Dvron, rather than confront him directly about how he's treated her. Perhaps she knows it would be no use to have a serious conversation, so she might as well get a laugh out of ending the relationship.

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Of LW note, Terry Long gave up chasing college girls in the Titans wedding special. My newsagent wouldn’t have stocked it. But was that college remembering tears in the eyes of the woman behind the counter? Had she had a fling with Mr Long?


Good heavens! Dirk, Xavier and Terry Long hitting on women in one month? L'il Thoth must have been overwhelmed by the possibilities!

Originally Posted by HWW
I had completely forgotten this story; re-reading it was like reading it anew.


I'd pretty much forgotten it as well. Odd, since it's quite a good story. Geoff Johns and Gary Franks missed an opportunity when Brainy had Yera turn into a brunette and kiss Dirk to revive him - supposedly Dirk preferred brunettes - she could have resumed the blonde's appearance and give him an extra jolt. If he even remembered a particular woman....

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The story presents a mature and honest look at both Dirk and Gigi. Her comment about being "on green while the light was flashing red" rang true. There were signs that Dirk was not going to give her what she wanted, though she may initially have been blind to them.


At least she had the sense to bring it to an end, on her terms. One wonders how many broken hearts Dirk left behind (seeding the ground for future villainesses).

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Back up a bit. In late 1984, it was an exciting time to be a Legion/DC fan. Crisis loomed on the horizon, and the various tie-ins promised great things. The Monitor's role in this story was exciting and full of promise. Superman: The Secret Years #1 had just been published, which was intended to guide our ace Kryptionian into adulthood (and presumably transition him into some new kind of relationship with the Legion). Unfortunately, neither of those promises amounted to much so far as the Legion was concerned. The Legion isn't really affected by Crisis (other than the death of the long-forgotten Kid Psycho and the death of Supergirl, who was always a peripheral character). Superman: The Secret Years # 1 doesn't even mention the Legion (thanks, thoth, for confirming this).


Never read the Secret Years series and often wondered about the gap between Smallville and Metropolis/Superman. It is disappointing that some link wasn't maintained with the Legion, with occasional appearances by Kal.
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Originally Posted by cramer
Magpie describes himself as the greatest thief, apparently displacing my beloved Ben Pares as primo heist-master in the Legionverse. He has the advantage of super-eyes but otherwise relies on gadgets which were given to him by his employer, the Monitor. He should have had to use his own gadgets to qualify as super-thief, but it's implied that even he couldn't break into the HQ otherwise.


It is only The Magpie who calls himself this however. I’m sure Pares and, later, Spider Girl have other ideas.

Originally Posted by cramer
It's only at the end that we learn the object to be stolen is a timechip and Universo was the client. Although some suspense is created by wondering what Magpie is after and why, I don't think it would have altered the story had we been given this information at the start. The story is essentially a tour of the HQ and, even at the end, we don't know what Universo wanted with a timechip - or how the Monitor got involved as middleman.


I took it to be access to time technology so he could further what he glimpsed in the Green Lantern retcon issue also done by Levitz. Actually, that’s one heck of a plot seed way back then. smile

Originally Posted by cramer
We do have forebodings…Computo is acting suspiciously…


I’m glad you thought so too. But I don’t think anything happened from that.

Originally Posted by cramer
…Of note, there's a lobby with a reception desk (is Computo the receptionist, or a civilian?). Gim has kept a room there, although he lives outside; Garth and Imra share quarters, but no other couples do (Comics Code?). Would Yera have been allowed in as a Legion wife, are quarters only for members or is there enough tension regarding her deception that she's still not welcome there? Chuck and Lu don't have a place, but Superboy and Supergirl do... and there are plenty of spares for new members. There's an interrogation room (!) and an office for "visiting SP officers", which implies that they (not just Shvaughn) drop in on occasion to file reports or something.


Delivery Kid: Hi! I’ve used my power to enure this package is dilvered to Leigon reception in record time.

Computo: We have no record of such an order. You must be a villain and the sentence is death1 >ZAAAP!<

I’d have liked to have seen the others interact with Yera, or even the prospect of her moving there briefly after her marriage to Gim.

Chuck is there, but I can only think of bad reasons why. So, I hope that’s just an error.

The interrogation room is just a portal for Imra to come through and a Superboy mind wiping machine for later.

Originally Posted by cramer
I thought statues went out with the Adventure era. Tribute to the dead, okay - but villains and inactive members? They haven't gotten around to taking down Ayla's statue (maybe Brin could move it into his quarters). Val Armorr isn't there; could Ayla have brought news of his death or was she not aware he had died? In any event, the statues panels were wasted on me.

Sculptor Lad pops in to make sure the HQ is fully statue compliant. I think you’re right about the status of some of them. They’re there not only for tradition, but because Levitz is giving us a set up to a Ghost of Ferro Lad spotlight years in the future.

Originally Posted by cramer
More reminders that Brin is a dope (because he wasn't before?) and lovesick over Ayla. It should provide Magpie with a tasty bit of gossip for other villains, since the thief seemed oddly taken with Brin's behaviour.


Like the Titans spotlight issue where they all have a picnic, you could do a Lost Tales of the Legion mini with the villains all at a bar or in SP therapy groups or on Takron Galtos, exchanging stories about the heroes, but form their perspectives.

Originally Posted by cramer
Thom and Nura appear to be on good - or even cuddly - terms at this point. I liked how Nura took the physically aggressive role with Magpie and Thom waited; he could just as easily handled the whole thing himself. They make a good team, in that respect, and their dialogue is relaxed. However, I was surprised that Thom couldn't turn off his power; it's something I hadn't thought of before.


From Magpie’s words and from issues like the Annual, I think there’s supposed to be an edge as the couple trade lines.
Originally Posted by HWW
As for the blueprint . . . chalk it up to growing older, I suppose, or being jaded as a fan, but I couldn't get excited about this. To be sure, I loved the diagram of the Legion's citadel headquarters published in one of the tabloids and the cutaway of the cruiser in 219. But these blueprints are bland. Further, I don't care where the Legionnaires' personal quarters are. This information really doesn't impact any story. And the blueprint loses the charm that the earlier diagrams had; they featured panels from the actual comics and images of the Legionnaires doing stuff. This is just . . . there. But, for all the fans who loved it, more power to you. smile


They were ever so handy for RPGs. Actually, this is just the sort of thing that was in the Mayfair RPG for the DC Universe.

Originally Posted by HWW
The Legionnaires are of secondary importance to this story since it is told from Magpie's point of view. It's kind of interesting to view them as Magpie sees them: Brin swooning over a statue, Nura being a proactive fighter but worrying over a nail, and Thom hanging back until the situation requires him to act. If the Legionnaires don't come off looking good in this story, maybe it's because that's how they appear to the villain.


Definitely that Lost Tales villain group therapy mini series smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Subplots, subplots . . . Oli-3 Queen is there to remind us of the JLA descendants (I had forgotten that the murder of Batman's descendant actually leads somewhere), and Universo is revealed to be the Monitor's employer--a revelation that will not go anywhere for quite some time yet. It's interesting to note how far in advance Levitz planned things (if he planned them smile ), but it does take a long time for some of the ideas to pay off, and, in the meantime, tension is lost.


If you take that GLC issue (295- Look It Up Lad!) this one (320) and Universo’s plan being revealed, that’s quite an arc. I seem to remember some more Universo hints to come first though.
Originally Posted by HWW
Dan Jurgens' art is competent but a let down after Shoemaker. Jurgens would eventually develop into a first-rate draftsman--I fondly remember some of his Valiant work. Here he seems to be finding his way.

In an article or lettercol, I’m sure Jurgens gets credit for being able to pencil so quickly. It was a nod to him having to come in after Shoemaker’s abrupt quitting and pinch hit. That’s must have had some effect on the quality, although I didn’t have any complaints with it on its own merits. We’ll see how his art goes over the course of the remaining Tales issues.

[quote=HWW]It looks like Brainy's force field belt and a ray gun of some sort (the one Thom used to kill Kenz Nuhor, perhaps?). No idea what the other objects are.


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Originally Posted by Cramer
Universo was a good surprise and, knowing his history, did pack an extra punch. We never found out what his original plan was with the time chip, but the mind races to many possibilities.


I thought the closest thing was Brainy’s belt too. I hadn’t thought about that being the gun. I thought all the items would be connected, but it could well have just been an Easter egg collection.

Connector Kid tells me that they are all connected. In 295 Universo, and others, had problems dealing with the energy fired upon them form the dawn of creation. Brainy’s forcefield belt is to protect Universo from this effect. The time chip is to get to the dawn of creation, while the gun is to kill the god of DCU and take his place. Little does Universo know that Julie Lad is the god of the DCU and that he has no chance of winning. I guess there’s another Lost Tales of the Legion in Universo actually getting his paws on the chip.

Originally Posted by HWW
The story presents a mature and honest look at both Dirk and Gigi. Her comment about being "on green while the light was flashing red" rang true. There were signs that Dirk was not going to give her what she wanted, though she may initially have been blind to them. (Dan Jurgens draws a lovely Gigi, by the way. I couldn't help thinking he modeled her after Suzi Quatro.)
It's sad to look back on this story in the context of 5YL. Dirk had a real opportunity to learn something here, to grow in a new way, and to appreciate Gigi as a woman and not a plaything. He blew it.


Credit to all concerned, it makes for a very powerful and poignant character arc.

Originally Posted by cramer
I was also attracted by the possibility of villainous gossip. Too bad we never had a Villains Picnic Reunion issue in which they swapped stories and tips about the Legionnaires.


One for Bits!

Originally Posted by Cramer
Quite sad, when you think about how he ended up in v.4. Here, he's just a bit of a jerk with women who gets his comeuppance. Indeed, it doesn't change him; it's more for Gigi's benefit. She tells him she has a date with Dvron, rather than confront him directly about how he's treated her. Perhaps she knows it would be no use to have a serious conversation, so she might as well get a laugh out of ending the relationship.


I think GiGi was leaving open the possibility of them getting back together. I don’t think she was trying to get a laugh at his expense. Just teach him what it was like, and hope he learned enough from it to perhaps build something from. But it didn’t work.

Originally Posted by Cramer
At least she had the sense to bring it to an end, on her terms. One wonders how many broken hearts Dirk left behind (seeding the ground for future villainesses).


We all used to think it was just applicants that Dirk loved shouting “Rejected!” at. Now we know it was partners too. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Never read the Secret Years series and often wondered about the gap between Smallville and Metropolis/Superman. It is disappointing that some link wasn't maintained with the Legion, with occasional appearances by Kal.


For me Superboy is a cameo in the Talok story and then a later cameo or two as I worked my way through back issue buying. I had to discover his connections to the tam as I went, rather than reading it first-hand. So, I never really had a feeling for any missing years or for the timeline of him as a character. You can sense the importance of Clark’s decisions in some older issues (someone telling him that they know he didn’t rejoin, his mind wiping issues etc.), and I guess that’s what this mini was trying to show. But it was a bit lost on me at the time.

Speaking of RPGs earlier, this issue continues to promote the DCU game and it also had a big advert for Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths. I’ve mentioned that a lot of the plot was still being nailed down, including the role of the Monitor. But you can see that they hadn’t quite decided on the title either.
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Originally Posted by HWW
As for the blueprint . . . chalk it up to growing older, I suppose, or being jaded as a fan, but I couldn't get excited about this. To be sure, I loved the diagram of the Legion's citadel headquarters published in one of the tabloids and the cutaway of the cruiser in 219. But these blueprints are bland. Further, I don't care where the Legionnaires' personal quarters are. This information really doesn't impact any story. And the blueprint loses the charm that the earlier diagrams had; they featured panels from the actual comics and images of the Legionnaires doing stuff. This is just . . . there. But, for all the fans who loved it, more power to you. smile


They were ever so handy for RPGs. Actually, this is just the sort of thing that was in the Mayfair RPG for the DC Universe.


Ah. I was never into RPG's. A friend tried in vain to interest me in D&D, but all the hit points, charisma point, ad nauseum made the game much too complicated for me. I loved the first Mayfair Legion Sourcebook for the timeline and concise descriptions of each character. I never used it to play a game.

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In an article or lettercol, I’m sure Jurgens gets credit for being able to pencil so quickly. It was a nod to him having to come in after Shoemaker’s abrupt quitting and pinch hit. That’s must have had some effect on the quality, although I didn’t have any complaints with it on its own merits. We’ll see how his art goes over the course of the remaining Tales issues.


Good to know. I'm never quite aware of the behind-the-scenes events that affect quality. A raspberry to Shoemaker for quitting like he did--very unprofessional.

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Connector Kid tells me that they are all connected. In 295 Universo, and others, had problems dealing with the energy fired upon them form the dawn of creation. Brainy’s forcefield belt is to protect Universo from this effect. The time chip is to get to the dawn of creation, while the gun is to kill the god of DCU and take his place. Little does Universo know that Julie Lad is the god of the DCU and that he has no chance of winning. I guess there’s another Lost Tales of the Legion in Universo actually getting his paws on the chip.


Good catch! The level of detail Levitz infused in the stories is quite astonishing. It's not something I would have noticed at the time. I wonder if anyone did.

LSH #8 To Destroy a World by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Larry Mahlstedt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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The Legionnaires contemplate the Sun Eater and discuss what to do. As they agree it must be destroyed, Jo flies off to take action, attracting the attention of more robots. The team defeats them and return to discussing what to do.

At Legion HQ, Rokk is working on his plan when Lydda walks in. She invites him to go home with her; he agrees to, once the missing Legionnaires are found. He tells her he's considering leaving active duty, which might be good to give a needed shake-up to the team and proceeds to pack a bag.

In space, Shvaughn, with some special equimpment, assists Tasmia and Jacques to capture Sun Emperor. On a planet below, Wildfire, Gigi, Blok, Lar, Mysa and Ayla round up some more LSV members. Wildfire and Shvaughn share a moment over Takron-Galtos and missing Legionnaires.

On the Limbo planet, sensors alert the Armorer to the intruders as the Legionnaires work together to dismantle the Sun-Eater factory. Another robot attacks, capturing the three men and transporting them to the Armorer. Tinya and Vi follow; Vi shrinks to enter the controls and determines she can blow up the factory by crossing some wires. Tinya interrupts, saying she has a solution.

At the Legion Academy, some students are enjoying the waterfront. As Laurel dives into the water, she is shot. Pol pulls her out of the water; she's in pain and bleeding, despite her invulnerability.

On the Limbo planet, the Armorer reads Jo's mind to learn about them. He's surprised that they could have defeated a Controller in the past. Jan revives and turns some machinery to mercury, asking why the controllers want to build such a weapon. The Armorer dismisses and blasts Jan, but is attacked by Jo. The Controller enters and distracts the Armorer, who is knocked out by Jo; the Controller was actually Cham. Jan follows Tinya's suggestion to change the elemental structure of the building; she pushes the Armorer through the portal to the Controllers' world then joins the others exiting the portal to Earth. Jo, as he leaves, hurls a rock transformed into fissionable material, blowing up the entire planet.

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More robots! And the Armorer has some god-like powers with which to fight back on his own. When he asks "Another one?" as Jo approaches, it suggests that humans all look alike to him, since he had already spent some time reading Jo's mind through physical contact.

Vi and Tinya take the lead after the boys are captured; Tinya sees it as an opportunity for self-initiated action. She's also the one who comes up with the ultimate plan to end the Sun-Eater threat using all three guys' powers, rather than her own and Violet's. She's the one who pushed the Armorer through a portal before the planet was obliterated; one assumes this was pre-arranged although it looks as if the others were going to leave him there.

Jo continues to act without thinking first, but the team does come together as a team to accomplish the destruction of the factory planet. We see how Tinya manages him, although "helpfully directs his attention" might be a more benevolent description, telling him to pay attenion, what they must do. He, however, directs her in battle: she's the strategist, he's the action man. She calls him Jo, not Ultra Boy, and he calls her Tinya, which I like; the code names are so formal. I'm not enthused with the dumb jock attribute for any Legionnaire (now we have two, Brin and Jo), although Jo is perhaps more impulsive than dense. He does get the last shot in, throwing the rock to ignite the explosion, as well as knocking out the Armorer.

As Jan revives after being captured, he demonstrates how easily he can destroy at least part of the factory by turning it to mercury. His power must have a fairly limited physical range, or he could have destroyed the whole place. Nevertheless, it's his power which creates the set-up to blow the place to pieces. We've seen Jan knock out Daxamites by increasing the lead content in the atmosphere, or change something into inertron. It's a bit of a deus ex machina power, so limiting its physical scope makes sense. His personality often strikes me as too cautious, holding back; he could have ended battles quickly in many cases. However, with a power like that, quite apart from the story considerations, one would do well to exercise caution. It's a trait that would have been strongly conditioned for young Trommites, and it makes sense that such caution would affect his personality.

So the Sun-Eater factory is destroyed; we have no idea what the Controller was up to. Maybe it just looked like a Sun-Eater, but was an energy source. It's an isolated adventure in an isolated space, with no impact on the Legionnaires' universe, IIRC. At this point, however, readers may wonder if there will be Controller payback for what the Legion has done. After all, the Armorer has lived to tell the tale to his masters.

The round-up of LSV remnants had a twist compared to the usual: SP officers Gigi and Shvaughn had specialized suits which give them special powers to fight alongside Legionnaires. Otherwise, we had a good, but not outstanding, display of Legion superpowers at work. (And I was alerted to the source of the "Scrofulus" mentions here at LW - although a search only turned up a mention by thoth, I thought there was an entire thread devoted to the term.)

Rokk thinks the Legion is getting stale and that his departure will shake things up. His withdrawal from active status has been developing for a few issues now, so it's not a great surprise to readers when he announces his consideration - not clear intention - to Lydda. News item: his clothes are magnetic, too. Laurel gets shot, which gives Pol an opportunity to act calm, competent and level-headed - i.e. be a good candidate to take his departing brother's place. These two sub-plots I found less interesting due to a personal lack of enthusiasm for Cosmic Boy (just go, already!) and this batch of Academy students, although both interludes promise big changes ahead for the Legion.
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The splash page gives us a quick summary of the previous issue’s cliff-hanger to catch the readers’ attention. I wonder how long it would take a sun eater to eat a galaxy. How fast do they travel? Could the Controller po it in and out of limbo as required? It looks as though a Galaxy Eater is what you’d want, and that’s what they did in the Legionesque EGOs comic.

The team have decided to destroy the sun-eater, and Levitz gives them all a line or two to keep them part of the process. Jo has a pot shot at Cham. He’s also the one to have to have something explained to him, and the first to leap into immediate action. Tinya doesn’t get a lot o say, so Lightle gets a lot of credit for showing her relationship to Jo visually. Jo acts on TInya’s statement. Her look is part determination and part signal to Jo.

Of course, when he does it lots of ACME robots appear. If it were Superboy or Lar, it would have been fine. But Jo’s leap in first approach is emphasised this way. Like the dialogue, each of the team gets to take out a few of the robots. It’s essentially filler so that Tinya can reach the conclusion that the whole planet has to go. Note that it was Tinya’s discovery of the Sun Eater that prevented the team departing for Earth last issue. She’s quiet, but her words and expressions have a lot of impact. As Jo continues to push Jan for a plan, she’s the one to keep him in step too.

The immediate threat could be a lot better, but the Sun Eater discovery- realisation that the whole planet must be destroyed – chance that they might have to sacrifice themselves to achieve this is solid plotting (although I’d have thought Cham or VI could have come up with a remote detonator to take care of the last point).

There’s a two-page interlude on Rokk’s decision to perhaps not return to active duty. While it seems that he might be quitting the team, Levitz leaves enough clues that something else is going on. I hadn’t realised until this reread just what a drawn-out subplot this one had been, and there a few more issues of it to go. I can’t argue it’s a big change to the team. The team also take the constitution extremely seriously. But the missing Legionnaires should have already provided action, and it you can see Levitz’s plot diagram a little too much. This of course, will not stop me squealing with delight when the membership issue comes around. But it could have had to have come earlier, with a seriously understaffed Legion holding of a number of threats.

In a Lost Tales of the Legion I’m wondering if the Lost Legion team could have been kept away to combine both of their stories together, while the main team has to reform without them.

Here, Cos gives a few hints to the reader and brings Lydda into his confidence off panel. I’m not convinced by his “they need something to shake them up—to change things around here” as a decent reason for what he has planned. Considering the length of planning, it’s surely more to do with the life choices of the founders, while enabling a retention of their knowledge within the team?

On Braal, deliveries, such as clothes, are done magnetically. The economic recession there started off by overinvestment in delivery companies, only to find out that locals did it all themselves.

Elsewhere, the LSV members in Zimyr’s bubble have returned and are captured easily by the Legion and some SPs in robotic combat armour (was this seen again?). Sun Emperor remembers their oath, but is taken down quickly, having completely failed to hear or see two mechanical suits creep up on him and put a power dampener on him. Shady’s shadow field seems to absorb Sun Emperor’s blasts.

When the tide turned against the LSV in the opening arc, they really folded quickly. I’d have preferred them to have been an ongoing threat, offering problems relating to their oath. By being beaten so easily, they reduce their threat for future encounters. But considering Starfinger and Mordru under Levitz, perhaps this is an intentional result, ahead of new/revised threats to come.

The good news is that Esper Lass was part of this group of villains. So, with her captured Mysa can use spells of similarity on the technology to enter limbo, or Brainy might have more luck with the tech, or Imra can pluck the information easily from Esper Lass’s mind in a contest-of-wills subplot. Whichever way it happens, it means that the Lost Legionnaires will be found. Except, Esper Lass is noticeably missing form those captured, and this subplot doesn’t get off the starting block. Lightning Lass says that only Micro Lad is missing before she captures him, so where is Esper Lass? Has she mentally slipped away, removing all traces of herself form the encounter? If, so that’s one villain that’s worth seeing again.

Like Jo’s supervision not being a solution on the Controllers world, Lar doesn’t have much luck finding Chameleon Chief, until Mysa steps in. We’re reminded of the differences between Light Lass and Lightning Lass, while Blok looks at his former Super Assassin (pending- once they kill someone) with a thoughtful look. There’s that reminder of his dark past in there, if only now to show that he wonders how he could have been close to people like that (although even then he was a reluctant member). Shvaughn reminds us of how much some of the Lost Legionnaires are missed.

Back on Controller World (kids go free- after all, it’s a one-way trip!) the Legionnaires have been detected. The Controller’s minion reacts by opening hanger doors unleashing… an ACME robot! Another one. Although this one is a little bigger and tougher! It interrupts Element Lad showing us that whenever something involving the periodic table comes up, he’s your guy. Jo is doing the heavy lifting and is first to confront the robot. Reinforcing the look-before-you-leap trend, he’s the first to fall to it. Cham and Jan also fall to it. Considering that the world is there to build sun eaters, it’s surprising that the robot’s weapons are set to stun. Does the Minion have his own plans?

Jo being unconscious allows Tinya to work on her own. She’s happy when these chances arise, but it’s Violet who is even more proactive. Comic Book Cliché insists that all power plants can be detonated by crossing a couple f wires, that must be no more than a comic book panel apart. Having told us what a mammoth task it is to stop this world, and all of its weapon building factories, it turns out that shutting down the one sun eater and then the control tower they visited will do it. Rather than rescue her colleagues, Vi seems about to blow up the building, herself and them along with it. Seemingly imbued with Imra’s telepathy and Dawny’s tracking ability, Tinya finds and interrupts Vi.

Tinya has come up with another solution, that will enable them to destroy the world and get them off the planet first. Like last issue, she arrives to the others with a revelation (well, Vis’s with her too). In the meantime, the Minion (called the Armorer) has discovered that the Legion have previously beaten a renegade Controller. For no apparent reason other than Plot dictate, the Armorer possesses mental blasts, super strength and invulnerability. This provides us with another fight scene, as he holds of Jo and defeats Jan. As Armorer raises the stakes, informing the Legion that he will annihilate them, he’s interrupted by the return of a Controller.

Ever his master’s servant, the Armorer bows, only to be punched out by Jo. The Controller was a disguised Cham. Except that we’d just seen Cham lying in front of Tinya. So how did he get behind the Armorer? A missing Cham or a visual cue would have been nice. Jo had been shown using a super punch earlier with no effect, so it’s a bit convenient that it works even with the Armourer’s guard down. Following this logic, Karate Kid must have terrified every villain in the galaxy. It’s a decent enough switch, but let down by the visuals a bit.

And why does the Big ACME robot do nothing? It’s almost as if it is entirely Plot powered.

We don’t hear Phantom Girl tell the others her plan. Element Lad tells us that they are acting upon it. I can see why, as space is to be conserved (perhaps another ACME robot will turn up). It also further Tinya’s quiet but effective personality. But it would have been nice for her to get the limelight. The plan turns out to be having Jo release energy by throwing some fissionable material converted by Jan. It’s a combination of powers that gets them off-world.

We will see the Controller’s reaction at a later date. But where does the Earth portal come out? Can other Controllers use it? Is there a way for the Legion to access other worlds through the portal on Earth? What will be the fate of the Armorer? What was with Vi looking as though she was going to blow herself up?

Lots of questions, and the answers are… sorry... you’ll have to wait until I’ve got rid of this robot horde…

In a last sublot, the invulnerable Laurel Kent is shot by an unknown assailant. It’s one heck of a shot, and I half expected someone like Bounty to be behind it. Some super-sniper anyway. Lightle overdoes it as by the time Comet Queen gets back, Laurel will have bled to death considering how much she is bleeding. Pol looks a little steroid enhanced too. He reminds me of Karate Kid, which isn’t a good omen. Kent being a descendant of Superman, continues the JLA descendants subplot. It’s also another peek at Comet Queen, Magnetic Kid and Laurel ahead of the membership issues ahead.

There are 15 pages relating to the main plot this issue. About half of them have an appearance by a ACME robot. Having discovered the Suneater, the Legion team destroy that building and then trick the Armorer and destroy the control tower, and then the planet. There’s just not enough meat on the plot to make this any more than an okay (and a bit of a dull main) story.

The best visuals are between Jo and Tinya. Other than that, it’s all just a generic factory world and not much stands out, or is allowed to by the story. I even took a second look at the cover thinking I had a double of last issue.

There’s a few more personality bits: Jan quiet “good work” leadership while others have the plans; Cham’s delight at being sneaky; Jo’s headstrong attitude; Tinya’s quiet power and guidance of Jo and Vi’s determination leading to her possibly making some very unwise decisions.

Years, later when I heard about the DnA Legion Lost, I thought about these issues (and the follow up), and my interest plummeted.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
When he asks "Another one?" as Jo approaches, it suggests that humans all look alike to him, since he had already spent some time reading Jo's mind through physical contact.


Good save on a possible scripting boo boo Cramer.

Originally Posted by Cramer
one assumes this was pre-arranged although it looks as if the others were going to leave him there.


That code against killing is hopefully a reminder to writer/artist not to forget the supporting cast when planets blow up. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Jo continues to act without thinking first, but the team does come together as a team to accomplish the destruction of the factory planet. We see how Tinya manages him, although "helpfully directs his attention" might be a more benevolent description, telling him to pay attenion, what they must do. He, however, directs her in battle: she's the strategist, he's the action man. She calls him Jo, not Ultra Boy, and he calls her Tinya, which I like; the code names are so formal. I'm not enthused with the dumb jock attribute for any Legionnaire (now we have two, Brin and Jo), although Jo is perhaps more impulsive than dense. He does get the last shot in, throwing the rock to ignite the explosion, as well as knocking out the Armorer.


I think you’re right that he’s going to react physically and then let his brain catch up. It makes him distinctive from Supes or Lar, which is something a team of this size needs. The Jo/Tinya interaction is something that I’ve learned more about from this story.

Originally Posted by Cramer
As Jan revives after being captured, he demonstrates how easily he can destroy at least part of the factory by turning it to mercury. His power must have a fairly limited physical range, or he could have destroyed the whole place. Nevertheless, it's his power which creates the set-up to blow the place to pieces. We've seen Jan knock out Daxamites by increasing the lead content in the atmosphere, or change something into inertron. It's a bit of a deus ex machina power, so limiting its physical scope makes sense. His personality often strikes me as too cautious, holding back; he could have ended battles quickly in many cases. However, with a power like that, quite apart from the story considerations, one would do well to exercise caution. It's a trait that would have been strongly conditioned for young Trommites, and it makes sense that such caution would affect his personality.


Levitz does seem to have done a bit with trying to define the range of Jan’s powers. But in the LSV arc, he transformed a large area of air into helium, and at other times it seems his range might be more restricted. I think that’s why he’s shown as being too cautious. If the writer brings him in too early, then every villain is encased in inertron. It lends itself to the sociopathic tendencies I see in these rereads. By sitting back and letting things play out, gives the feeling that Jan simply isn;t terribly connected to the others, in some ways.

Originally Posted by Cramer
So the Sun-Eater factory is destroyed; we have no idea what the Controller was up to. Maybe it just looked like a Sun-Eater, but was an energy source. It's an isolated adventure in an isolated space, with no impact on the Legionnaires' universe, IIRC. At this point, however, readers may wonder if there will be Controller payback for what the Legion has done. After all, the Armorer has lived to tell the tale to his masters.


That’s a good point. Levitz knows what the next instalment of this plot will be. But the reader wouldn’t.. There’s no sense that there will be any repercussions. No Armorer reaching the Controllers and being punished. Interrogated. Perhaps it was Levitz’s intent to have the next part appear out of nowhere. There’s certainly no foreshadowing here.

Originally Posted by Cramer
(And I was alerted to the source of the "Scrofulus" mentions here at LW - although a search only turned up a mention by thoth, I thought there was an entire thread devoted to the term.)


Shockingly underused!

Originally Posted by Cramer
…which gives Pol an opportunity to act calm, competent and level-headed - i.e. be a good candidate to take his departing brother's place.


I had noted the appearance of the students. But you’re absolutely right regarding Pol’s personality here as standing out. Particularly in the same issue as Cos is suggesting leaving.

Originally Posted by Cramer
These two sub-plots I found less interesting due to a personal lack of enthusiasm for Cosmic Boy (just go, already!) …


It does seem to be particularly drawn out. Is it because we’re reading these fortnightly, so it’s fresher in our minds? Is it because in the Adventure days the entire team could be sacked, replaced by villains and then reinstated in a single story? Is it really just that the little teases are taking far too long to go anywhere concrete? Or is it that the days of Avengers and Legion constitution changes having a huge impact are in the past? Dunno smile
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The Sun-Eater planet story concludes with our five lost Legionnaires realizing they have to destroy the entire planet, smashing up a lot of robots, and then finding a way to fulfill their mission while still returning to earth.

It’s a by-the-books story that should have been more exciting and thought-provoking than it was. The potential was there. Last issue, while the natural planet was being devoured by the machines, I thought there might be an opportunity to explore a theme of technology versus the environment. The Legionnaires’ decision to destroy the planet even if they must sacrifice themselves should provoke reactions, reflections, and regrets. But the Legionnaires take it all in stride and engage in petty sniping. Worse, they never consider the possibility that the Controllers might be creating a sun-eater for some other purpose than destroying galaxies. Their myopic view leads them to make a fateful decision that will come back to haunt them.

The story also lacks gravitas because the Legionnaires don’t behave like heroes. Instead, they act like petulant teenagers. Jo again rushes into action without thinking and alerts the planet’s robot guards to the Legionnaires’ presence. Jan and Cham are, for the most part, just there (though Cham does get to use his shape-changing power in a way that brings about the resolution).

Vi and Tinya come to the forefront, once again showing Levitz’s dedication to making the female characters equal to the males; however, he fails to create any depth in their personalities or decisions. Vi never considers alternatives to blow up the planet and herself and her teammates with it. (Maybe being in the sens-tank left her feeling disconnected from her life.) Levitz really works overboard to give Tinya much to do—she figures out the solution to the problem, stops Vi from committing a planetary suicide-murder, and even remembers to kick the Armorer to safety. She’s such a positive force in this story that she reminds me of the trope of characters being portrayed as saints only to be bumped off (e.g., the third season of Downton Abbey, the “Act of God” episode of The Crown). Either Tinya’s doomed or she should run for leader.

So, the main story offers no surprises. The Legionnaires act confident and cocky. There’s no sense that the incredibly high stakes of this story matter to them. It’s just a day at the office.

Of the subplots, I enjoyed the Rokk and Lydda scene the best. In a matter-of-fact manner, Rokk drops a bombshell that he might not return to active duty. At the time, this “revelation” went right past me. Heroes were always threatening to quit super-teams, and it seemed unthinkable that Cosmic Boy would actually leave the Legion. Though he’s rarely been one of the prime movers of the team, he’s always been its lynchpin, its “rock,” appropriately. He was one of the first Legionnaires I saw in the first Legion story I read (Adv. 328), so his central role has always been unquestioned even though he’s easy to take for granted.

However, his decision makes perfect sense. Sometimes, an organization needs a change in leadership to shake things up. I’ve experienced this more than a few times in my career; some changes lead to good things while others prove detrimental. But such a change forces a team to refocus, assess what’s working and what isn’t, and take necessary action. It can also force people to stop taking things (like Rokk) for granted.

The scene also works because of the intimate glimpse into Rokk and Lydda’s relationship. She’s stunned by his announcement but appears supportive. She’s long been accustomed to taking a back seat to his Legion career and even confesses that she thinks the Legion matters more to him than she does. For his part, Rokk initially comes across as condescending (“Which was a very silly way . . .”), but I interpret this as a playful remark—the same as her “Have you lost your mind?” These are two people who know each other very well and show comfort in expressing what’s on their minds.

Elsewhere, the Legion rounds up the villains who escaped from Orando. It’s a largely unnecessary scene—and a wasted one. I’m not clear on if the Legionnaires even know Karate Kid has died. Only Ayla might possess this knowledge, but she was rather busy when KK died and during the aftermath. So, the villains miss a chance to gloat over killing a Legionnaire, and we miss a chance to see their reactions. Instead, the “payoff” of the scene comes in the form of Shvaughn’s tear—but is she crying because Jan is missing or because Wildfire hurt her feelings with his abrasive remark? Either way, maudlin sentimentality doesn’t work in her or the story’s favor.

Another subplot emerges with Laurel Kent being shot by an unseen sniper. It’s fair enough as far as subplots go, but it goes on a bit too long—drawn out by unnecessary exposition from Comet Queen (whose Valley Girl-speak trips me up as a reader. When a scene begins with “the starshine’s integral today,” I wonder if I’ve missed something).

Steve Lightle’s art is good in places but uneven in others. I like his “quiet” panels the best—the Rokk and Lydda scene, the close-ups of Laurel, Pol, and Comet Queen. The action scenes convey the necessary information but come across as harsh and crude. Some of his figures appear stiff, like action figures posing.

Even so, my copies of #7 and #8 are signed by Lightle; he lives in the Kansas City area, and I met him at a convention some years ago.

In doing these re-reads, it’s interesting to pick up on the snails-pace development of the Rokk subplot and other arcs. One of the letters printed in this issue even asks if Hill Street Blues is Levitz’s favorite show. The editorial response acknowledges that HSB is one of “our” favorite shows but suggests that the series’ style is more influence by “director Robert Altman’s use of organized chaos.” Even so, it seems that Levitz is more interested in these developing subplots than in the “main” action stories.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
We see how Tinya manages him, although "helpfully directs his attention" might be a more benevolent description, telling him to pay attenion, what they must do. He, however, directs her in battle: she's the strategist, he's the action man.


Like a good diplomat, she just lets him he think he's directing her. smile

The panel that jumped out at me, regarding how they relate to each other, came at the top of p. 5. Jo's wrist is at such an odd and silly angle. Chalk it up to Lightle awkwardness, perhaps, but Jo could also be trying to show off his muscles for Tinya and doesn't have time to get into a macho pose before the robot collides with him.

Letting the robot smash into him--and telling her to remain in phantom form--is his way of showing off.

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I'm not enthused with the dumb jock attribute for any Legionnaire (now we have two, Brin and Jo), although Jo is perhaps more impulsive than dense.


I suppose it could be argued that Jo is a dumb jock, and Brin is just dumb. smile Of the two, though, I'd put my money on Brin. He thinks things through in battle; it's in his personal life that he lacks clues.

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As Jan revives after being captured, he demonstrates how easily he can destroy at least part of the factory by turning it to mercury. His power must have a fairly limited physical range, or he could have destroyed the whole place. Nevertheless, it's his power which creates the set-up to blow the place to pieces. We've seen Jan knock out Daxamites by increasing the lead content in the atmosphere, or change something into inertron. It's a bit of a deus ex machina power, so limiting its physical scope makes sense. His personality often strikes me as too cautious, holding back; he could have ended battles quickly in many cases. However, with a power like that, quite apart from the story considerations, one would do well to exercise caution. It's a trait that would have been strongly conditioned for young Trommites, and it makes sense that such caution would affect his personality.


Jan's power is far too ill-defined and convenient in serving the needs of the plot. He pulls off instantaneous transformations as if by magic. However, I like your theory that he is overly cautious because of his upbringing.

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(And I was alerted to the source of the "Scrofulus" mentions here at LW - although a search only turned up a mention by thoth, I thought there was an entire thread devoted to the term.)


Try looking up "scorfulus." It seems there are a couple of different spellings. Maybe it's the difference between "damn" and "dang." smile

Originally Posted by thoth
The good news is that Esper Lass was part of this group of villains. . . . Except, Esper Lass is noticeably missing form those captured, and this subplot doesn’t get off the starting block. Lightning Lass says that only Micro Lad is missing before she captures him, so where is Esper Lass? Has she mentally slipped away, removing all traces of herself form the encounter? If, so that’s one villain that’s worth seeing again.


Perhaps the LSVers cannibalized her. How long were they trapped in that bubble?

Sun Emperor (who has already proven he knows how to barbecue a human being): "Okay, who wants a leg?"

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Seemingly imbued with Imra’s telepathy and Dawny’s tracking ability, Tinya finds and interrupts Vi.


It was indeed convenient how Tinya knew where to find Vi and what she was up to. But who has time to write a plot that makes sense? We've got to build up the drama of Vi sacrificing herself and others.

. . . except, as I noted, there isn't much drama in this scene or anywhere else in the story. smile

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Years, later when I heard about the DnA Legion Lost, I thought about these issues (and the follow up), and my interest plummeted.


It's an apt comparison. DnA really captured the desperation and uncertainty of being lost in an unfamiliar galaxy. Although this story was intended to be much shorter, some of that hopelessness would have helped.

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In a Lost Tales of the Legion I’m wondering if the Lost Legion team could have been kept away to combine both of their stories together, while the main team has to reform without them.


That could have been a shocker - the five return to find their places taken and, barring a Constitutional amendment, have to go off and form their own team. Or take over the Subs. With or without Rokk.

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Here, Cos gives a few hints to the reader and brings Lydda into his confidence off panel. I’m not convinced by his “they need something to shake them up—to change things around here” as a decent reason for what he has planned. Considering the length of planning, it’s surely more to do with the life choices of the founders, while enabling a retention of their knowledge within the team?


I did find his "shake them up" comment a bit arrogant. Sure, he's a founder, but hasn't yet been cast as the heart and soul of the Legion (in 5YL).

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When the tide turned against the LSV in the opening arc, they really folded quickly. I’d have preferred them to have been an ongoing threat, offering problems relating to their oath. By being beaten so easily, they reduce their threat for future encounters. But considering Starfinger and Mordru under Levitz, perhaps this is an intentional result, ahead of new/revised threats to come.


Good point. You can never have too many villains on the back burner for sub-plots and assorted complications.

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The good news is that Esper Lass was part of this group of villains. So, with her captured Mysa can use spells of similarity on the technology to enter limbo, or Brainy might have more luck with the tech, or Imra can pluck the information easily from Esper Lass’s mind in a contest-of-wills subplot. Whichever way it happens, it means that the Lost Legionnaires will be found. Except, Esper Lass is noticeably missing form those captured, and this subplot doesn’t get off the starting block. Lightning Lass says that only Micro Lad is missing before she captures him, so where is Esper Lass? Has she mentally slipped away, removing all traces of herself form the encounter? If, so that’s one villain that’s worth seeing again.


Wow! Major gap in the story which flew right by me! Perhaps having read Zymyr's mind, she's got bigger plans and decided to ditch those LSV losers.

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Comic Book Cliché insists that all power plants can be detonated by crossing a couple f wires, that must be no more than a comic book panel apart. Having told us what a mammoth task it is to stop this world, and all of its weapon building factories, it turns out that shutting down the one sun eater and then the control tower they visited will do it. Rather than rescue her colleagues, Vi seems about to blow up the building, herself and them along with it. Seemingly imbued with Imra’s telepathy and Dawny’s tracking ability, Tinya finds and interrupts Vi.


Ah, but should she cut the blue wire or the red wire? That's usually the dilemma in movies. Regarding her willingness to blow everything up, could Vi have a PTSD-related death wish?

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There are 15 pages relating to the main plot this issue. About half of them have an appearance by a ACME robot. Having discovered the Suneater, the Legion team destroy that building and then trick the Armorer and destroy the control tower, and then the planet. There’s just not enough meat on the plot to make this any more than an okay (and a bit of a dull main) story.


ACME robots just don't measure up to Computo. Perhaps it's our current age, when we expect robots to have personalities, as well as devious and dire plans for humanity.

Originally Posted by HWW
It’s a by-the-books story that should have been more exciting and thought-provoking than it was. The potential was there. Last issue, while the natural planet was being devoured by the machines, I thought there might be an opportunity to explore a theme of technology versus the environment. The Legionnaires’ decision to destroy the planet even if they must sacrifice themselves should provoke reactions, reflections, and regrets.


True, this could have been a multi-layered story. Fewer robots, more thoughtful reflection panels.

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Vi and Tinya come to the forefront, once again showing Levitz’s dedication to making the female characters equal to the males; however, he fails to create any depth in their personalities or decisions. Vi never considers alternatives to blow up the planet and herself and her teammates with it. (Maybe being in the sens-tank left her feeling disconnected from her life.) Levitz really works overboard to give Tinya much to do—she figures out the solution to the problem, stops Vi from committing a planetary suicide-murder, and even remembers to kick the Armorer to safety. She’s such a positive force in this story that she reminds me of the trope of characters being portrayed as saints only to be bumped off (e.g., the third season of Downton Abbey, the “Act of God” episode of The Crown). Either Tinya’s doomed or she should run for leader.


Vi does display a certain fatalism. I don't recall if this continues but will be watching for it. The sens-tank incident would be a good excuse, plot-wise, for her to behave more recklessly. Tinya does shine here, as she has in a number of Levitz stories. I think he likes her - and she does get bumped off eventually. And runs for leader....

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Of the subplots, I enjoyed the Rokk and Lydda scene the best. In a matter-of-fact manner, Rokk drops a bombshell that he might not return to active duty. At the time, this “revelation” went right past me. Heroes were always threatening to quit super-teams, and it seemed unthinkable that Cosmic Boy would actually leave the Legion. Though he’s rarely been one of the prime movers of the team, he’s always been its lynchpin, its “rock,” appropriately. He was one of the first Legionnaires I saw in the first Legion story I read (Adv. 328), so his central role has always been unquestioned even though he’s easy to take for granted.


Interesting. It may be my lack of enthusiasm for the character generally, but I didn't have the sense that he was the lynchpin of the Legion until it was drummed into my head in 5YL. However, the roots for that portrayal are certainly there, especially in these scenes in which he's trying to engineer to future of the team.

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However, his decision makes perfect sense. Sometimes, an organization needs a change in leadership to shake things up. I’ve experienced this more than a few times in my career; some changes lead to good things while others prove detrimental. But such a change forces a team to refocus, assess what’s working and what isn’t, and take necessary action. It can also force people to stop taking things (like Rokk) for granted.


His decision is rational, but did he discuss it at all with Garth and Imra? I don't recall. It's understandable that they'd be all absorbed with the baby, so he'd keep it to himself (and Wildfire).

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The scene also works because of the intimate glimpse into Rokk and Lydda’s relationship. She’s stunned by his announcement but appears supportive. She’s long been accustomed to taking a back seat to his Legion career and even confesses that she thinks the Legion matters more to him than she does. For his part, Rokk initially comes across as condescending (“Which was a very silly way . . .”), but I interpret this as a playful remark—the same as her “Have you lost your mind?” These are two people who know each other very well and show comfort in expressing what’s on their minds.


I'll give the old boy credit that he's thought about the importance of the Legion vs Lydda, and has decided to make time for her by accepting to visit her home. It does portray the real push-and-pull of priorities in any relationship.

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Elsewhere, the Legion rounds up the villains who escaped from Orando. It’s a largely unnecessary scene—and a wasted one. I’m not clear on if the Legionnaires even know Karate Kid has died. Only Ayla might possess this knowledge, but she was rather busy when KK died and during the aftermath. So, the villains miss a chance to gloat over killing a Legionnaire, and we miss a chance to see their reactions.


When the reveal of Val's death comes (I'm assuming it's in a near-future issue), it will seem almost like a let-down. Old news for readers.

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Instead, the “payoff” of the scene comes in the form of Shvaughn’s tear—but is she crying because Jan is missing or because Wildfire hurt her feelings with his abrasive remark? Either way, maudlin sentimentality doesn’t work in her or the story’s favor.


She has been shedding a lot of tears over him. He hasn't even had a thought balloon about her.
A few additional thoughts on Rokk's impending retirement.

I realized, after reading FC's post, that in referring to Rokk as the "lynchpin" of the Legion, I may have been imposing later interpretations of the character on his present circumstances. I may also be drawing assumptions from my own interpretation of the character. Certainly, Rokk has rarely been portrayed as central to the Legion--and much of his value to the team rests on his historical roles--being a founder and the leader for the first two years (per the Sourcebook). So, in some case, Rokk may have spent much of his Legion career resting on his laurels (but not on Laurel--she wouldn't like that).

As far as his personality goes, Rokk has also been a difficult character to pin down. In most stories, he's just there doing his job. There's nothing wrong with that--there is a place in heaven/the afterlife/Myla's dimension for those who quietly do their jobs and bring little attention to themselves. However, when Rokk has been featured, it's not been in the best of light: manhandling women and behaving like a pompous jerk. This is a shame because his power of magnetism is potentially one of the Legion's most exciting and powerful abilities. But, until Levitz, he's rarely displayed a dynamic personality to go along with that power.

Levitz has also made an effort to subtly position Rokk in a more central role. The writer has emphasized Rokk's connections to Garth and Imra (who, I think most would agree, have always been central to the Legion). Rokk was the first Legionnaire they told about their impending parenthood. He remained in contact with them during the LSV war. By association, he has been positioned as one of the most experienced and senior Legionnaires--someone who is primed for an advisory role.

His role as a founder should not be downplayed, however. There is something to be said for having a "figurehead" or "big brother" figure to quietly give assent to the Legion's actions by virtue of his presence. I've learned a lot by watching "The Crown" and its depiction of the early days of Queen Elizabeth II's reign. Elizabeth is counseled by her grandmother, Queen Mary, that the sovereign should not express an opinion because once having done so, she's taken a position; it was better, Queen Mary argued, for the sovereign to remain neutral, to wave, and to maintain an image that ordinary people can aspire to. Of course, Rokk is not a sovereign, and this advice need not apply to all leaders everywhere. Still, there is great value in leading quietly from behind--in letting the Jos and Jans and Drakes compete for leadership and attention. Too many cooks spoil the broth. A quiet leader can season the broth without adding too many main ingredients.

Or maybe that's how Rokk sees himself. Maybe he sees his role in the Legion very differently than others see it. In his depictions, even under Levitz, he comes off as a tad full of himself and imagining himself to be in charge (certainly in his relationship with Lydda). Perhaps this is a personality trait he's developed only lately as he's matured and gotten to know himself better. In leading the Subs during the Tales adventure, he truly was in charge and didn't have to compete with those who possess stronger powers and personalities. The death of his mother may also have signaled a shift in priorities. The death of a parent often causes one to reassess his/her role in the family.

Whatever the internal dynamics, his retirement truly is significant for the Legion--particularly as it will come in conjunction with Garth and Imra's retirement. The parents are leaving the nest, and the children are on their own--at least until Imra returns.
Originally Posted by Cramer
ACME robots just don't measure up to Computo. Perhaps it's our current age, when we expect robots to have personalities, as well as devious and dire plans for humanity.


Bob the Robot: So my cousin Phil...
Bill to Robot: The one from Universe 247?
Bob the Robot: Yeah. So, he's joined this robot revolution called Robotica. See the galaxy, get spending money for upgrades.
Bill to Robot: Sounds great.
Bob the Robot: He says that as soon as they can convert a Cosmic Treadmill they'll be able to recruit. I've a Omnicon interview next week for the waiting list.
> Button flashes above them<
Bill to Robot: Here we go. It's the Armourer again, wanting us to crush puny fleshlings or something...right... into character...
Both: Whirr! Buzz! Destroy! Whirr! Buzz! Destroy! ...

Originally Posted by Cramer
She has been shedding a lot of tears over him. He hasn't even had a thought balloon about her.


More points for sociopath Jan. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Ah, but should she cut the blue wire or the red wire? That's usually the dilemma in movies. Regarding her willingness to blow everything up, could Vi have a PTSD-related death wish?


I'll be rereading the scenes where she's cutting bomb wires on Webers World more closely in future. Just for that whispered "ah, stuff it" dialogue before she cuts one at random.
Tales #321 Red Dawn or Into Exile by Mindy Newell & Paul Levitz, art by Dan Jurgens & Karl Kesel, Colors by Carl Gaford, Letters by Ben Oda

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Dawnstar heads to a planet, followed by Brainiac 5, where she expects to find the lost Legionnaires. Brainy's ship has problems as he passes by a nebula. As Dawnstar admires the beauty of the primitive planet, she is shot by arrows. Brainy glides his now powerless ship to a landing.

A disoriented Dawnstar revives, surrounded by warriors speaking in an unknown language. One thinks she may be a messenger of Kol.

At Legion HQ, Nura mulls over the low active membership. Thom tries to cheer her up but angers her when he suggests they return to their Ventura vacation.

On the planet, priests of Kol perform their rites. One of them, Jhodan, prepares for a journey and calls his student novitiate, Ina, to join him. Brainy is baffled by the absence of electrical signals, then remembers Dawnstar is missing. He sets out to find her, is amazed to see 24th century Terran wheat growing, then is attacked by spears and arrows; his forcefield and flight ring do not work. Injured, he evades his pursuers by jumping into water.

On Medicus One, Dr. Gym'll completes Imra's post-partum exam and tells her she should stay home with the baby. She seems to be considering that.

Dawnstar is captive in a cage, tormented by her captors and praying that Wildfire will rescue her.

Jhodan and Ina ride through the countryside. He condemns people as sinners and refuses the flowers Ina wants to accept as their request for forgiveness.

Brainy is injured, weak and helpless as he tries to navigate the forest; he faints as a shadow approaches. He awakens the next morning to find that a youth has been taking care of him. The young man speaks English (which disappeared from use in the U.P. centuries before). Calling himself Spliff, he babbles like a nature child but is angered when Brainy touches him.

Ina enters the cave, commanding all to prepare for the priest. Jhodan enters, sees Dawnstar and is entranced by her. Jhodan commands that she be released into his custody, to be taken to face the wrath of Kol. He threatens her, although she does not understand, but silently thinks that he could not harm him. She, in turn, feels safe with him.

In the company of Spliff, Brainy falls asleep, wondering how he can find Dawnstar. Jhodan tells Dawnstar that, although it is wrong, he will protect her. Ina is jealous.

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This is a rather unusual Legion story: focus on two characters, very limited sub-plots, fairly detailed world-building. Despite being a set-up story, it captures my interest, for a number of reasons:

Technology vs primitive society: usually the story centers on the effects of high tech coming to primitive society. Here it's the reverse: the technologically advanced are thrown into the primitive society, with none of their gadgets functional. The primitives have the upper hand, at least for this issue.

Religion: We haven't seen too much of religion in the Legionverse so far. This story develops a harsh and fear-based religion worshipping some figure named Kol. It's quite different from the spirituality of the rather-less primitive Starhaven. The priests' chant is a mixture of various old Earth prayers. There's a surprising factor that women appear to have equal access to the priesthood as men, not something we have encountered often on Earth.

World-building: It's sort of classic primitive society, with a wild tribe hunting whatever they can to eat, and a more advanced and comfortable temple-based priesthood. The character Spliff suggests that there's some freedom of movement and lifestyle for individuals. Add in the mystery of the 24th century Earth connection and we have a fairly detailed world, given the few pages available to develop it.

Character interactions: They may be somewhat stock characters, but the residents of Kol's planet are realistic. The tribesmen are aggressive, but fear retribution. They dispute among themselves what to do with the mysterious creature they have captured. Their children taunt Dawnstar like normal children and are reprimanded, not for cruelty but fear of acquiring evil. Jhodan is a devoted priest, severe in his devotion to the rules of his religion. He's swept off his feet just like a character in a romantic drama and immediately begins the internal struggle between desire and religious devotion. Ina is the eager student, perhaps devoted more to Jhodan than Kol. She's a young girl with a serious crush on her teacher and seethes with teenage jealousy regarding Dawnstar. Spliff is the fool; like most fools in stories, one suspects that he knows more than it appears.

Dawnstar's first thought on reviving is that Wildfire is there and when she realizes her situation, she prays for Wildfire to rescue her - not Brainiac 5, who came to the planet with her. This says a lot about the co-dependance of Dawnstar and Wildfire.

Brainy's at his best here, in terms of character. He's using his big brain, but he isn't displaying the arrogance which has arisen in the past. He's annoyed with Dawnstar for flying straight down to the planet, but doesn't condemn or blame her and he doesn't insult Spliff's intelligence.

Mystery: Many questions are raised. Why did Dawnstar think she had found the lost Legionnaires? Was it the nebula which caused the failure of her power and Brainy's ship, or was that misdirection? What's the connection with 24th century Earth and this planet? Why is this planet unknown and uncharted? Could the lost Legionnaires be here after all, having gone through a portal to an alternate Earth which is this planet? Is Dawnstar falling for Jhodan?

Legionnaires in unusual environments: This is a big change from battling robots; even if they don't know what's going on, Legionnaires are trained to operate in a high-tech society. Here they face unknown language, unfamiliar society, unlcear motives, no technology (including their own), in addition to hostility. It's a different sort of challenge and I enjoyed following Brainy's attempts to reason with the situation while accepting that he must go with the flow.
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I think this three parter is also Mindy Newell’s first of this length, following some shorter stories and dialoguing Levitz. It’s not one I had the issues of at the time, with #323 being bought some years later. I was expecting that issue to tie up any loose ends with the story. Instead, all three issues were also supposed to be the set up for a sequel that never came to pass.

I don’t remember really feeling that the story itself desperately begged for a sequel. That’s not to necessarily say that the story didn’t have any suspense or interest. Just that it was able to stand as something self-contained. In later days, characters would be torn down, with no resolution as creators moved on. Any deconstruction would end up as simply destruction. Newell’s tale, that creates insight by building on characters, while continuing the world building of Levitz and Giffen should make for an interesting reread.

The reason for putting the above first in the review is that I later read something that made it seem that the background to this story was hugely mysterious, when I wasn’t carried away with it to the same degree. It’s something that’s stuck in my mind, and is probably down to the way a single article was written, rather than anything from the creators. smile We’re also not far from the Baxter LSV whose villainous oaths turned out to be hyperbole, despite numerous opportunities. So, I’m interested to look at just how mysterious the mystery of Kol is too.

Jurgens’ cover goes much further than a Legionnaire in distress, and past damsel, with painted on costume, in peril too. It wouldn’t look out of place on a medieval woodcut showing the torture of a fallen angel in that martyr fixation they had. It has a more primal punch, as a result, which must have given some mixed feelings at the time. The polar backdrop, that I don’t think appears inside, adds even more to Dawnstar’s isolation and danger.

The story opens with a surprise. Certain plots in the Tales book have to have a holding pattern in order to fit within what we’re seeing of the Baxter book. But Dawnstar says she has found the Legionnaires. We’re nicely reminded that Dawny’s powers have been amplified by Brainy in the dialogue, just before we see him in a shuttle that’s having some problems.

Dawny races down to the planet’s surface, leaving Brainy behind. Even Brainy mentally admonishes her for leaving him behind. But her characterisation, and the story supports this. Brainy’s also thinks that she’s becoming as impetuous as Wildfire. Considering they work as a team, and that they spend so much time together off duty, it’s not surprising that Drake has rubbed off on her. Adding Dawny’s need to find the Legionnaires, which she sees as the purpose of someone with her powers, the effects of Brainy’s amplification, which have made Dawny feel unusual, and it’s fitting that she flies ahead.

Dawny’s feeling of belonging on this world are sharply contrasted by the nature of the first people she sees. Considering the height she’s flying at, it’s not likely that she would be shot down in the way she’s shown here. Perhaps she’s flown down to the people she’s just spotted. It’s not clear if her flight ring was of any use in breaking her fall, as she plummets from quite a height into the mountains.

Despite clearly being human, the locals are looking to kill and feed her to their children. Dawny can’t understand their intentions. It may be that it’s another sign that technology has failed, with her translator now inoperable, or if the local dialect is beyond its capacity.

Things don’t go too well for Brainy either. Normally, you’d see a heroic attempt to survive a crashing shuttle, to increase story tension, but Brainy manages to glide it in without any problems. He falls into an analytical moved, trying to figure out his problem, before realising that he should be acting and not thinking. It’s interesting watching Brainy switch between thinking and acting. It doesn’t take overly long for his to be shown where his priorities should be. Even if he is having to talk to himself too much, for the readers benefit. Brainy also encounters hostile locals and narrowly avoids being speared. Considering the superhuman accuracy of the marksmen who shot Dawny, Brainy should have been hit here. Instead, he’s injured in a jump while being pursued.

I’d have thought he would have tried his flight ring first to find Dawny. It would have robbed the reader of the surprise that his Coluan force belt doesn’t work either. Realising that he’s not the fittest, and injured from the chase, Brainy finds himself reduced to saying “Gotta.” Perhaps the chase would have been shorter, if Brainy didn’t keep talking out loud, presumably attracting his pursuers smile

The third main strand of the Kol adventure concerns Jhodan and his disciple of a year, Ina. Jhodan is a priest in the service of Kol. He is to leave his temple, and Ina looks for an opportunity to be seen in his eyes as something more than a pupil or a girl in his eyes. The order that Johdan belongs to is a mish mash of Earth cultures, religions and traditions. Perhaps something that was pieced together from the planet’s first settlers and then enforced, or something that’s simply been distorted over half a millennium. It’s followed with strict obeyance by both the order and the locals. Jhodan is seen by the people as representing the arms of Kol. They bow before the travellers. Those of his order see themselves as vessels of Kol, holding no privileges. But you wonder how often this is taken advantage of. They travel to pass the judgment of Kol on the people. We find out a lot about this because Jhodan’s disciple is a really poor one. It doesn’t seem that she’s been able to adopt many of the key principles that Jhodan wanted to teach her. I’m surprised she got this far as his pupil, considering how harsh the order and the world seem.

Elsewhere, Dawnstar is kept sitting in mud in a tiny cage, her wings bolted and her wounds untended. She is concerned only with staying alive, as the children of a tribe taunt her. They see her as something to kill, and probably as food. Since they are all form the same genetic stock, cannibalism doesn’t seem to be beyond him. Their elder, referred to as taking a lot of drugs, blames her for the children’s taunting. It’s harrowing material, not least because it’s touches on so many real-world precedents. Newell captures this very well.

Brainy doesn’t seem to have lasted a day. It’s unlikely that he wouldn’t have taken a survival course, considering the situations the Legion gets into. But I don’t think it’s come up outside something like the RPG. Unlike the rest of the locals, he’s found by Spliff (another drug reference) who tends for him during the night and feeds him. Brainy discovers that his new friend may be schizophrenic, but also learns that he speaks an old Earth language, that he dreamt of Dawny’s arrival (possibly misremembering seeing her), and travels tending the animals in Kol’s universe.

Jhodan and Dawny are both smitten kittens at first sight, regardless of the situation. Dawnstar’s ancestors are from North America, where Johdan’s people are also from, perhaps providing some reason for her sudden attraction. Jhodan fights what he thinks is a spell, but his words and tone betray his feelings. They certainly do to Ina, who sees Dawnstar as a threat to be disposed of. Jhodan seems to have another choice to make. He’s only moving Dawnstar to face the wrath of Kol, not exactly delivering her form the tribe that saw her as dinner.

The pacing is fine in the story. I note that Levitz got a plot assist. We get a vengeful cliffhanger, that had been built up to in the characters’ personalities. Brainy is a bit easily taken down by his environment. Even if we do think he’s spending all of his time in the lab. Something else else simple like some infection would have worked nicely. Something else else he couldn’t analyse without his equipment working.
The world of Kol is well realised. Spliff is a bit convenient and Ina is a really poor student (as she’s the exposition point for the reader). The harsh brutality of the people and their traditions comes across very strongly. Whatever mysteries lying behind the world don’t get in the way of the characterisation and central plot.

I am hoping that Dawnstar comes out of this story well. She gets thumped around a lot in the stories. Add in being joined at the hip to Wildfire and the plot driven problems with her powers, and she has a hard time of it.

Back at Legion HQ, Dreamy thinks over the short-numbered Legion once again. “Maybe the universe is getting too big for the Legion as it’s set up now” certainly adds a different spin on Cosmic Boy’s plans. That makes me think more of Legion World than the 25 limit currently on the team due to tax purposes. Nura weighs this with Thom’s counter of “we can’t allow anyone who calls himself a hero to join.” Wildfire would be the first to point out that this is why the Legion has an Academy. To be able to bring in recruits after they have had suitable training.

Since the start of Baxter the main team has stopped Micro Lad, but not prevented his escape; stopped a Takron Galtos riot, but not the escape of many prisoners; Failed to prevent theft of Powerspheres and the warping away of Orando; Stopped fleeing LSV members both in ship and in returning bubble (surely they would have been told by them about KK?)

In Tales, they have failed to prevent the escape of Ontiir, although they have set back Dark Circle plans; Cos and the Subs hampered a smuggling ring; a revolution was stopped on Talok VIII (although Dreamy hadn’t wanted to send anyone); a burglar escaped Legion HQ without taking what he sought.

It’s just as well for Dreamy and the others that nothing major has happened in all those issues, or they’d have found out just how short staffed they really were. While it’s something I’ve only noticed in this reread, the real moment when members should have been considered was in #318. Cos could have gone off to talk to Wildfire in that issue, while Dreamy and the others looked to start recruiting then.

Incidentally, with the team so scattered, there are all sorts of Lost Tales that could have worked with a major incident keeping the team apart, only to reform at the end.

Thom and Nura’s relationship gets what seems like a repeat scene. Like so many relationships under Levitz, it works on a number of levels. Thom seems to be supportive of Nura, trying to cheer her up and complimenting her. But he’s doing it as much, if not more, for himself. Since Nura’s been leader (or now acting leader), he should have learned that this is completely the wrong approach. Nura brushes him off and leaves the mission monitor room. It’s a long arc, but there will be more on how things turn out there.

The only other subplot concerns a post-natal exam for Imra. Handy having a nurse writing the story. It also gets in a bit of gender equality too. Ironically, considering the founders’ plans, it’s not active duty that they’re thinking of returning to. The threat of Garth’s cooking is greater than he faced when dealing with Starfinger on another of the many satellite trips the Ranzz’s go on. There’s not really much going on in this page, but it’s always nice to check in on the JLA satellite in the 30th century.

This issue continues the ads for Universe: The Crisis on Infinite Earths as well as the DC RPG. IN the letter column, we learn that Alan Moore has a fondness for old Legion tales.

The Mystery of Kol:
The planet is in uncharted deep space. Despite flying there, Brainy can’t recognise the stars
The planet, or a nearby nebula, fool’s Dawnstar’s powers, while in space, into thinking she has located people she knows well. The planet, or a nearby nebula, also disrupts technology, such as a Legion cruiser. The effects include energy dampening and possibly more. Specifically calibrated hand-held sensors don’t work. The effect is sufficient to disable Coluan technology and Legion flight rings.
The planet has Terran wheat crops. The specific wheat they have was developed by botanical geneticists in the late 24th century. Their language is English and specifically North American. Dawnstar’s ancestors are also from North America, perhaps providing some reason for her sudden attraction.
Dawnstar’s people left Earth at some point, and perhaps the people of Kol did likewise.
The culture on Kol is derived from a number of current Earth religions, which have survived in a combined form.
Kol is considered to be a “he”
Jhodan is referred to as one of the Arms of the core. This is presumably a reference to a ship’s core. Perhaps the power derived from the core of the spacecraft that brought them to the world is still respected as a source of life, and the basis for their religion. It would follow that either the ship was called Kol, the captain was, or that they came from Sol and the name has just been distorted over time.


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There wasn’t any real way of picking and choosing what I’d get at near the bottom of the newsagent’s shelves. I guess they got in a few extra copies of Superman, Batman and Justice League. (I only got Action this month) Beyond that, it could have been anything. It was DC though. I don’t remember ever having to go through Marvel titles to get to the DC ones. Perhaps they were kept somewhere else. Perhaps close by, but I never went through them.

This month was still very early on for my DC reading, and I got some very different titles this month. 9 titles in all.

Atari Force 15 has a cover of Dart about to be caught by giant bugs! This issue was a big hit with me. For a series I think of as being by Conway and Garcia-Lopez, it’s Baron and Barreto that got me into it. I reread this one a lot, and I’d recommend it now.

Conway did write Firestorm 33 that saw ‘stormy go up against some flame-based terrorists with Killer Frost and Plastique waiting in the wings. Firestorm appeared in my first US style DC comic, and this was a very early issue for me.

JLA 236 spotlighted Gypsy and completed their adventure against the Cadre.

Swamp Thing 34 is the story of Alec and Abbey making love. Not quite so simple since Alec is no longer human. Li’l thoth wasn’t ready for this one and wouldn’t be for quite some time. Not due to any explicitness. But because the themes of maturity and love ran deeply through the issue. As far as comics goes, this issue is still so very far ahead. Superb writing by Moore with art from Bissette and Totleben. It was a lonely Swamp Thing issue for a long time.

Conqueror of the Barren Earth #2 – a tale of warriors beneath a red sun, mixing sci fi with a fantasy setting. Our protagonist has been captured and the story is essentially her slowly changing her mind regarding the man she had viewed as a despotic overlord. Li’l thoth may have been distracted by our heroine in her bikini top. But there was always something very uncomfortable about that relationship. Looking at it now, and you can see the Stockholm syndrome kick in as the main character goes through lots of abuse before siding with the man she originally hated. Icky!

Although I didn’t get this one, Dan Jurgens was also drawing Teen Titans #6 in addition to the Legion. I mentioned his pinch hitting. That issue would have been after Perez but before Garcia Lopez. I wonder how much time he had to do that one.

I didn’t get the zombie hand coming out of the earth in Flash 343 either. I guess I didn’t see this one, or it was just before I was watching horror movies.

More Ambush Bug in Action 565. Had Giffen not quit the Legion, would we have seen so much of the Bug? We travel to an alternate universe where Giffen is living in a mansion off of his Legion royalties, but is forever haunted… tune into Forever Ambush…

Rich Buckler drew the Tales of the Titans issue #51. This would be a very early Titans comic for me off the stands. It has the first appearance of Azrael! This sequence has a lot of similarities to an opening one from Hellboy. Yet one became a huge success, while Hellboy…no…wait…

I would pick up a lot of the earlier Wolfman & Perez issues on holiday, where I was spoiled rotten when it came to going to every newsagent in town. That’s what really cemented me as a DC reader. I think my parents quietly got another case, just so I could take my haul back with me. Lots of JLA issues too.

The All-Star Squadron was the go to place for DC characters. Issue 43 had more of Ted Knight and some new villains as Thomas was looking to shake up the title a bit.

Who’s Who 1 came out this month. It was a great time to learn about everything related to DC. I think I must have started going to the city comic shops not long after this. I doubt the local shop stocked Who’s Who, and I might have picked up this one no more than a few months after it came out. I’d get them all pretty much at the time of publication, showing just how diligent my dad was in taking me. smile
Originally Posted by thoth lad
I don’t remember really feeling that the story itself desperately begged for a sequel. That’s not to necessarily say that the story didn’t have any suspense or interest. Just that it was able to stand as something self-contained.


At the end, I would have liked to know more and have a follow-up, but as you say, a sequel wasn't desperately needed. It works just as well if the readers fill in the gaps themselves.

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Dawny races down to the planet’s surface, leaving Brainy behind. Even Brainy mentally admonishes her for leaving him behind. But her characterisation, and the story supports this. Brainy’s also thinks that she’s becoming as impetuous as Wildfire. Considering they work as a team, and that they spend so much time together off duty, it’s not surprising that Drake has rubbed off on her. Adding Dawny’s need to find the Legionnaires, which she sees as the purpose of someone with her powers, the effects of Brainy’s amplification, which have made Dawny feel unusual, and it’s fitting that she flies ahead.


She's often demonstrated a desire to prove her ability, as well. Probably someone who doesn't take failure too well, so her eagerness is understandable, especially given the factors you listed.

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Despite clearly being human, the locals are looking to kill and feed her to their children. Dawny can’t understand their intentions. It may be that it’s another sign that technology has failed, with her translator now inoperable, or if the local dialect is beyond its capacity.


We get confirmation later in the Brainy scenes that tech isn't working; at this point, it isn't clear. But we did see a failure of the translator in last week's issue, with the lost Legionnaires trying to understand the Armorer.

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Considering the superhuman accuracy of the marksmen who shot Dawny, Brainy should have been hit here. Instead, he’s injured in a jump while being pursued.


Hmmm.... hadn't thought of that, but maybe it was a different group of less-skilled hunters.

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Unlike the rest of the locals, he’s found by Spliff (another drug reference) who tends for him during the night and feeds him.


Missed the drug reference, but he's certainly the most druggy character in the story.

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Jhodan and Dawny are both smitten kittens at first sight, regardless of the situation. Dawnstar’s ancestors are from North America, where Johdan’s people are also from, perhaps providing some reason for her sudden attraction.


Screaming for connection! Is this a lost tribe of Starhaven and was Dawnstar tuning into that sort of vibe as she approached the planet?

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Back at Legion HQ, Dreamy thinks over the short-numbered Legion once again. “Maybe the universe is getting too big for the Legion as it’s set up now” certainly adds a different spin on Cosmic Boy’s plans. That makes me think more of Legion World than the 25 limit currently on the team due to tax purposes. Nura weighs this with Thom’s counter of “we can’t allow anyone who calls himself a hero to join.” Wildfire would be the first to point out that this is why the Legion has an Academy. To be able to bring in recruits after they have had suitable training.


Doesn't say much for Academy training that nobody is up to snuff yet!

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Thom and Nura’s relationship gets what seems like a repeat scene. Like so many relationships under Levitz, it works on a number of levels. Thom seems to be supportive of Nura, trying to cheer her up and complimenting her. But he’s doing it as much, if not more, for himself. Since Nura’s been leader (or now acting leader), he should have learned that this is completely the wrong approach. Nura brushes him off and leaves the mission monitor room. It’s a long arc, but there will be more on how things turn out there.


This could be the moment when the relationship starts to collapse; before it was just on hold while she tended to leadership duties, but now there's a breach in how they view their roles. I had thought of this as just retreading the same old "we're understaffed" line, but you highlight the relationship aspect.

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The Mystery of Kol:
The planet is in uncharted deep space. Despite flying there, Brainy can’t recognise the stars
The planet, or a nearby nebula, fool’s Dawnstar’s powers, while in space, into thinking she has located people she knows well. The planet, or a nearby nebula, also disrupts technology, such as a Legion cruiser. The effects include energy dampening and possibly more.


Nebulae are such handy things to generate mystery and confusion!

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Jhodan is referred to as one of the Arms of the core. This is presumably a reference to a ship’s core. Perhaps the power derived from the core of the spacecraft that brought them to the world is still respected as a source of life, and the basis for their religion. It would follow that either the ship was called Kol, the captain was, or that they came from Sol and the name has just been distorted over time.


Ah, ship's core! I was wondering what the core reference could be, in terms of the original settlers.


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This month was still very early on for my DC reading, and I got some very different titles this month. 9 titles in all.


Are you storing your comics in chronological order, regardless of title, or do you just have a super-cataloguing system? I enjoy this "look back at comic history" section you've added.

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More Ambush Bug in Action 565. Had Giffen not quit the Legion, would we have seen so much of the Bug? We travel to an alternate universe where Giffen is living in a mansion off of his Legion royalties, but is forever haunted… tune into Forever Ambush…


That's one I haven't read but would like to.

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I would pick up a lot of the earlier Wolfman & Perez issues on holiday, where I was spoiled rotten when it came to going to every newsagent in town. That’s what really cemented me as a DC reader. I think my parents quietly got another case, just so I could take my haul back with me. Lots of JLA issues too.


Enlightened parents!
Tales 321

It's taken me awhile to process how I feel about this issue. I did not appreciate its considerable strengths until I read FC and thoth's reviews. To me, it reads like a mishmash of stories and tropes. Some of this may be due to the difference between Mindy Newell's writing style and Levitz's (how odd to read a Legion story during this era with Levitz credited only with "plot assist"). It could also be that the tone is jarringly different from the other Legion stories of this time. I just took Levitz to task for writing a story in which seven lost Legionnaires display no emotion whatsoever over their predicament; here, we've got two more lost Legionnaires, and Dawnstar really expresses her feelings over the matter--even going so far as to say she wants her mother. She also expects Wildfire, who is not even on this mission, to rescue her. I'm not sure if her depiction in this story makes her vulnerable or weak--a bit of both, I imagine.

"Into Exile" certainly thrusts our heroes and the reader out of our comfort zones. It all begins with that cover, which depicts Dawny--as thoth noted--like a medieval religious figure pierced with arrows, reaching out to an unseen presence (God, perhaps). She resembles a fallen angel, which ties in nicely with the religious theme of the story. Dawny and Brainy find themselves trapped on a planet where the culture's dominant religious order exerts harsh control over its subjects. Sin--even the sin of being late to a gathering--is severely punished. This culture is quite at odds with Dawnstar's initial impression of the place. She flies over a beautiful mountainside and walled-in city and comments how serene everything looks. Her impression is shattered when the arrows come flying and strike her in the shoulder, leg, and wing.

The Legion and/or the UP apparently has no prime directive regarding first contacts. Dawny never considers how the appearance of a winged, flying woman might be perceived by the locals. In a twist, the locals do not regard her as a goddess or demon--only as an animal to be used for food (though they do believe their children will "catch" evil from her). Enter Jhodan--the leading man of the tale--who releases Dawny from her cage and acts as smitten with her as she is with him, to the obvious jealousy of Ina, his young novitiate.

Meanwhile, Brainy--following Dawnstar to the planet--finds himself equally marooned with none of his gadgets--ship, force field belt, flight ring--working. He remains analytical as he eludes capture, passes out, and revives to find he has been cared for by a local man with the odd name of Spliff. It's a good thing Spliff captures and cooks an animal, as he saves Brainy from having to take a life. The first time Brainy exhibits any emotion in this story is when he seems delighted at the prospect of dinner. The second time is when he loses his temper and somehow thinks Spliff is responsible for Dawnstar's disappearance. It's certainly odd to see Brainy play the role of the action hero: escaping spear-wielding locals, running and jumping over terrain, and slogging his way through a body of water. He mentions that he should have taken a survival course, but he acquits himself well and learns some valuable clues about his and Dawnstar's whereabouts.

So, the story reads to me like an episode of Star Trek or any number of mainstream science fiction TV series. Our heroes from an advanced culture find themselves at the mercy of a primitive culture that turns out to be much more than they bargained for. In particular, this issue echoes the ST episode, "The Omega Glory," in which Kirk and company become trapped on a world modeled after the then current tensions between the US (Yangs) and USSR (Kohms). Here we learn that the mysterious world has Terran wheat and an earth language that dates back 600 years. The planet somehow renders technology useless and may exert an influence over people's emotions (which might explain the trope of Dawny and Jhodan instantly falling head over heals for each other). So, there are plenty of mysteries to keep us going.

However, none of this seems to hang together smoothly. We've got themes of romance, religion, ties to earth, and mental illness and/or drug use--but any one of these could be the central focus of the story, especially if Newell is going to thrust the Legionnaires (and us) into uncharted territory. Whereas Levitz mines the Legion's rogues gallery and history for inspiration, Newell seems determined to give our heroes something entirely different to do. Good for her. I just wish it didn't feel as if the Legionnaires had been thrust into someone else's story.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders

The Legion and/or the UP apparently has no prime directive regarding first contacts. Dawny never considers how the appearance of a winged, flying woman might be perceived by the locals.


That's a good point, that Legionnaires just barge into any planet as they see fit. Dawnstar's lack of caution may be explained by her exuberance with the thought of finding the lost Legionnaires and/or the effects of Brainy's power boost. However, she doesn't give a thought to what or who she might encounter on the surface.

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So, the story reads to me like an episode of Star Trek or any number of mainstream science fiction TV series. Our heroes from an advanced culture find themselves at the mercy of a primitive culture that turns out to be much more than they bargained for. In particular, this issue echoes the ST episode, "The Omega Glory," in which Kirk and company become trapped on a world modeled after the then current tensions between the US (Yangs) and USSR (Kohms). Here we learn that the mysterious world has Terran wheat and an earth language that dates back 600 years. The planet somehow renders technology useless and may exert an influence over people's emotions (which might explain the trope of Dawny and Jhodan instantly falling head over heals for each other). So, there are plenty of mysteries to keep us going.


Hadn't thought about the planet itself affecting emotions. Just checked the synopsis for "The Omega Glory" and there certainly are a lot of similarities!

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However, none of this seems to hang together smoothly. We've got themes of romance, religion, ties to earth, and mental illness and/or drug use--but any one of these could be the central focus of the story, especially if Newell is going to thrust the Legionnaires (and us) into uncharted territory. Whereas Levitz mines the Legion's rogues gallery and history for inspiration, Newell seems determined to give our heroes something entirely different to do. Good for her. I just wish it didn't feel as if the Legionnaires had been thrust into someone else's story.


I think you hit on the aspect that makes this story a bit odd - that it's not entirely the Legionnaires' story. It's almost like a cross-over, with Dawny and Brainy as guest stars.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
Despite being a set-up story, it captures my interest, for a number of reasons:…Technology vs primitive society…The primitives have the upper hand, at least for this issue…We haven't seen too much of religion in the Legionverse so far…There's a surprising factor that women appear to have equal access to the priesthood as men, not something we have encountered often on Earth…World-building: …Add in the mystery of the 24th century Earth connection and we have a fairly detailed world, given the few pages available to develop it…but the residents of Kol's planet are realistic.


I agree that there’s a different focus in this tale. Having only two Legionniares to focus on gives additional time to develop other areas. Levitz hand on the plot assist means that wider Legion subplots leep the main story anchored.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Dawnstar's first thought on reviving is that Wildfire is there and when she realizes her situation, she prays for Wildfire to rescue her - not Brainiac 5, who came to the planet with her. This says a lot about the co-dependance of Dawnstar and Wildfire.


Wildfire as romantic as well as work partner and friend did come across strongly here. She knows that Wildfire won’t leave a stone unturned or unblasted until he finds her. He feels at least as strongly.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brainy's at his best here, in terms of character. He's using his big brain, but he isn't displaying the arrogance which has arisen in the past. He's annoyed with Dawnstar for flying straight down to the planet, but doesn't condemn or blame her and he doesn't insult Spliff's intelligence.


Good point about Brainy’s approach to others. I think he’s at his best when he has questions that have interested his curiosity.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Mystery: Many questions are raised. Why did Dawnstar think she had found the lost Legionnaires?


This is one I’d expect to get answered. It’s the sole reason for Brainy and Dawnstar’s arrival on the planet. The story loses some credibility if it’s just a writing fudge to put them there.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Is Dawnstar falling for Jhodan?


[sing song voice] Smitten…they’re smitten kittens… [/sing song voice]

Originally Posted by Cramer
Legionnaires in unusual environments: This is a big change from battling robots…


Lost Tale:-

Jhodan: And now you will face the Core! >pulls open curtains with dramatic flourish<
CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK!
Brainy: Hmmm… ACME-bots… guarding an energy sphere that seems to be powering all those portals.
Dawny: Look Brainy! Each of the portals has a planet symbol above it… and there’s Earth!
CLUNK! CLUNK! CLUNK! The ACME-Bots approach, only to be clattered into by another robot thrown from behind them.
Jo: Hi guys! I guess we stepped through the wrong portal in the Baxter book.
Dawny: Ha! I was right. The missing Legionnaires were on this planet. Jhodan? >smitten kitten eyes< Will you return with me?
Ina: Noooooooo! >races forward with knife only to be turned into an inertron statue.<
Jan: Her scream was interrupting me trying to find a candy floss setting on his Core machine.
Brainy: It must have been supplying food to the locals.
Tinya: Mana from heaven.
Jan: >bored< Shall we go?
>slightly scared of sociopath Jan, the missing Legion return home…<


Originally Posted by Cramer
…even if they don't know what's going on, Legionnaires are trained to operate in a high-tech society. Here they face unknown language, unfamiliar society, unlcear motives, no technology (including their own), in addition to hostility. It's a different sort of challenge and I enjoyed following Brainy's attempts to reason with the situation while accepting that he must go with the flow.


Yeah, the Tales books have all been very good at providing some quality stories, each with a different take on 30th century adventure.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
She's often demonstrated a desire to prove her ability, as well. Probably someone who doesn't take failure too well, so her eagerness is understandable, especially given the factors you listed.


Since I often feel Dawny’s fails far to often for plot reasons in this era, finding her flight ring in the morning should be considered a victory.

Originally Posted by Cramer
We get confirmation later in the Brainy scenes that tech isn't working; at this point, it isn't clear. But we did see a failure of the translator in last week's issue, with the lost Legionnaires trying to understand the Armorer.


I think Levitz used the tech on the fritz signposting as late on as v7 (not including when all of technology went in Magic Wars and Tarok chipping)

Originally Posted by Cramer
Missed the drug reference, but he's certainly the most druggy character in the story.


With the earlier ganga comment, perhaps there's a hint of connecting drug use with religious/shamanic practices as well as other societal issues.


Originally Posted by Cramer
Screaming for connection! Is this a lost tribe of Starhaven and was Dawnstar tuning into that sort of vibe as she approached the planet?


I’d be surprised if this wasn’t in Newell’s plans, or at least a connection made to a number of civilisations leaving Earth to start up colonies in earlier centuries. I think there’s also a connection to the amplification of her powers to becoming in tune to the planet, almost as if the planet were calling her home – or to a very similar home to the one she knows.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth


Back at Legion HQ, Dreamy thinks over the short-numbered Legion once again. “Maybe the universe is getting too big for the Legion as it’s set up now” certainly adds a different spin on Cosmic Boy’s plans. That makes me think more of Legion World than the 25 limit currently on the team due to tax purposes. Nura weighs this with Thom’s counter of “we can’t allow anyone who calls himself a hero to join.” Wildfire would be the first to point out that this is why the Legion has an Academy. To be able to bring in recruits after they have had suitable training.


Doesn't say much for Academy training that nobody is up to snuff yet!


It’s something to bear in mind for the issues close ahead too.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth

Thom and Nura’s relationship gets what seems like a repeat scene. Like so many relationships under Levitz, it works on a number of levels. Thom seems to be supportive of Nura, trying to cheer her up and complimenting her. But he’s doing it as much, if not more, for himself. Since Nura’s been leader (or now acting leader), he should have learned that this is completely the wrong approach. Nura brushes him off and leaves the mission monitor room. It’s a long arc, but there will be more on how things turn out there.


This could be the moment when the relationship starts to collapse; before it was just on hold while she tended to leadership duties, but now there's a breach in how they view their roles. I had thought of this as just retreading the same old "we're understaffed" line, but you highlight the relationship aspect.


We had his outburst at not being called upon by Dreamy and I think there were a few things in the annual too. I think it’s a relationship that has been bubbling away with resentments and tensions since Dreamy got the leadership role. Or rather, that role made a lot of things in there relationship clearer once the dynamic in it changed. It’s been really, really understated for a comic book relationship. It makes me wonder about any others I’m missing. That layer of writing is one of the Levitz highlights for me.


Originally Posted by Cramer
Nebulae are such handy things to generate mystery and confusion!


You try and get specifics and all you get are nebulous answers. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Are you storing your comics in chronological order, regardless of title, or do you just have a super-cataloguing system?


It’s cataloguing…Why all of these comics are in order and a pile of cross referenced index cards has been left beside them! It must have been Catalogue Kid!

Originally Posted by Cramer
I enjoy this "look back at comic history" section you've added.


Thanks. I’m enjoying the self-indulgence of remembering my first DC comics. smile


Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
More Ambush Bug in Action 565. Had Giffen not quit the Legion, would we have seen so much of the Bug? We travel to an alternate universe where Giffen is living in a mansion off of his Legion royalties, but is forever haunted… tune into Forever Ambush…


That's one I haven't read but would like to.


Some early ones are a little hit and miss. I think there’s a Supergirl one that falls in the latter camp.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
I would pick up a lot of the earlier Wolfman & Perez issues on holiday, where I was spoiled rotten when it came to going to every newsagent in town. That’s what really cemented me as a DC reader. I think my parents quietly got another case, just so I could take my haul back with me. Lots of JLA issues too.


Enlightened parents!


I think they also quickly discovered that a happy, reading kid was a quiet kid and they could get on enjoying their holiday in peace. smile


Originally Posted by HWW
I just took Levitz to task for writing a story in which seven lost Legionnaires display no emotion whatsoever over their predicament; here, we've got two more lost Legionnaires, and Dawnstar really expresses her feelings over the matter--even going so far as to say she wants her mother. She also expects Wildfire, who is not even on this mission, to rescue her. I'm not sure if her depiction in this story makes her vulnerable or weak--a bit of both, I imagine.


While I really liked the opening Baxter arc, I thought the quality fell away. I had always liked the Tales stories. In this reread, the Tales continue to impress, while the Baxter book has lost some of whatever impact it had.

Originally Posted by HWW
She resembles a fallen angel, which ties in nicely with the religious theme of the story…She flies over a beautiful mountainside and walled-in city and comments how serene everything looks.


Good point about the relguious tie in. When I was reading it, I wondered why they would need a walled city if the place was so lovely. What would you need protection from? Just the weather?

Originally Posted by HWW
The Legion and/or the UP apparently has no prime directive regarding first contacts. Dawny never considers how the appearance of a winged, flying woman might be perceived by the locals.


Another good point. The Legion don’t often come to planets where they have to consider such things. I imagine that one reason for this is to move firmly away form any Trek connotations.

Originally Posted by HWW
It's a good thing Spliff captures and cooks an animal, as he saves Brainy from having to take a life.


That’s interesting. How far does the Legion code against killing extend?

Originally Posted by HWW
In particular, this issue echoes the ST episode, "The Omega Glory," in which Kirk and company become trapped on a world modeled after the then current tensions between the US (Yangs) and USSR (Kohms).


I’ll need to take a peek. Thanks.

Originally Posted by HWW
However, none of this seems to hang together smoothly. We've got themes of romance, religion, ties to earth, and mental illness and/or drug use--but any one of these could be the central focus of the story, especially if Newell is going to thrust the Legionnaires (and us) into uncharted territory. Whereas Levitz mines the Legion's rogues gallery and history for inspiration, Newell seems determined to give our heroes something entirely different to do. Good for her. I just wish it didn't feel as if the Legionnaires had been thrust into someone else's story.


So far, Tales has provided a lot of variety. So, this story doesn’t seem as jarring to me. Certainly Kol is essentially a character in its own right, with the heroes taking on explorer roles, while going through their adventures. Brainy does have a character arc, as he’s been placed into an unfamiliar role for him. He’s already had a couple of realisations; reminding himself to think of others before his equipment and his reliance on gadgets over survival courses. So that’s not at all bad. Dawny, despite her predicament, could be about to embark on a big romantic subplot that has ramifications for her own people’s history too. So neither has been neglected yet.

I’m really hoping that Ina returns with Brainy at the end to be inducted to the Legion as Withering Look Lass. smile
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Since I often feel Dawny’s fails far to often for plot reasons in this era, finding her flight ring in the morning should be considered a victory.


laugh

If her flight ring were off planet, she might have a chance. smile


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Originally Posted by Cramer
Missed the drug reference, but he's certainly the most druggy character in the story.


With the earlier ganga comment, perhaps there's a hint of connecting drug use with religious/shamanic practices as well as other societal issues.


Spliff's name reminded me of Spaceman Spiff, Calvin's alter ego in Calvin & Hobbes. I wonder how long it will be before Spliff talks to imaginary tigers. smile


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While I really liked the opening Baxter arc, I thought the quality fell away. I had always liked the Tales stories. In this reread, the Tales continue to impress, while the Baxter book has lost some of whatever impact it had.


Agreed. I don't want to ruin any spoilers or prejudice readers, but I have a feeling that the best of the Levitz era is behind us. There are many good stories to come, but I don't think Levitz really challenged himself or the characters after this point, except perhaps writing out the three founders (and even that turned out to be temporary in one case). I hope I'm wrong.

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When I was reading it, I wondered why they would need a walled city if the place was so lovely. What would you need protection from? Just the weather?


I saw it as a clever bit of foreshadowing--a hint that the world isn't as serene as it seems. If you have a dominant religious order that keeps people under its thumb, you'll need walls for protection against competing groups, insurrections, and whomever else you regard as devil-spawn.

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Originally Posted by HWW
The Legion and/or the UP apparently has no prime directive regarding first contacts. Dawny never considers how the appearance of a winged, flying woman might be perceived by the locals.


Another good point. The Legion don’t often come to planets where they have to consider such things. I imagine that one reason for this is to move firmly away form any Trek connotations.


It's understandable that Levitz or whomever would want to distance the Legion for ST, given all the science fiction trappings. However, it's only common sense that the Legion would want to avoid alarming cultures that know nothing about life on other worlds. They don't have to call it a prime directive or even give such a policy an official name.

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Originally Posted by HWW
It's a good thing Spliff captures and cooks an animal, as he saves Brainy from having to take a life.


That’s interesting. How far does the Legion code against killing extend?


I don't think it's ever been clarified. I'm sure we've seen Legionnaires eat meat before, so it's okay to eat it if someone else kills it? Or maybe killing animals is okay (but where do Proteans and other "pets" fit in?).

I would like to have seen Brainy wrestle with this dilemma. Having him enjoy the fruits of another carnivore's labor dodges the issue.


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So far, Tales has provided a lot of variety. So, this story doesn’t seem as jarring to me. Certainly Kol is essentially a character in its own right, with the heroes taking on explorer roles, while going through their adventures. Brainy does have a character arc, as he’s been placed into an unfamiliar role for him. He’s already had a couple of realisations; reminding himself to think of others before his equipment and his reliance on gadgets over survival courses. So that’s not at all bad. Dawny, despite her predicament, could be about to embark on a big romantic subplot that has ramifications for her own people’s history too. So neither has been neglected yet.


All good points.

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I’m really hoping that Ina returns with Brainy at the end to be inducted to the Legion as Withering Look Lass. smile


Once they learn Ina's last name is Godda-DaVida, they will instantly admit her as Iron Butterfly Lass.
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Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Since I often feel Dawny's fails far to often for plot reasons in this era, finding her flight ring in the morning should be considered a victory.


laugh

If her flight ring were off planet, she might have a chance. smile


My inner pedant stopped me typing “…fly a Legion shuttle, never mind fly to a planet with her friends.” Because, of course, Dawny has no need of a shuttle. I should have known that inner voice would have friends lol My inner pedant even got me to go back and add “of course” into the sentence above. smile

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth
Originally Posted by Cramer
Missed the drug reference, but he's certainly the most druggy character in the story.


With the earlier ganga comment, perhaps there's a hint of connecting drug use with religious/shamanic practices as well as other societal issues.


Spliff's name reminded me of Spaceman Spiff, Calvin's alter ego in Calvin & Hobbes. I wonder how long it will be before Spliff talks to imaginary tigers. smile


Oh, I’d vote in Calvin Kid to the li’l Legion! Imaginary friends! Alter egos! One for the Applicants from other books thread!

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth
While I really liked the opening Baxter arc, I thought the quality fell away. I had always liked the Tales stories. In this reread, the Tales continue to impress, while the Baxter book has lost some of whatever impact it had.


Agreed. I don't want to ruin any spoilers or prejudice readers, but I have a feeling that the best of the Levitz era is behind us. There are many good stories to come, but I don't think Levitz really challenged himself or the characters after this point, except perhaps writing out the three founders (and even that turned out to be temporary in one case). I hope I'm wrong.

I think it’s the spark from the Giffen collaboration that’s missing. Something else else that brought out the best in both. Levitz did try to get that from others on the book. I guess we’ll see how it works out.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth
Originally Posted by HWW
It's a good thing Spliff captures and cooks an animal, as he saves Brainy from having to take a life.


That's interesting. How far does the Legion code against killing extend?


I don't think it's ever been clarified. I'm sure we've seen Legionnaires eat meat before, so it's okay to eat it if someone else kills it? Or maybe killing animals is okay (but where do Proteans and other "pets" fit in?).

I would like to have seen Brainy wrestle with this dilemma. Having him enjoy the fruits of another carnivore's labor dodges the issue.

The Proty thing was awkward as it was. But imagine if everyone had been eating them? Yikes! I hadn’t thought about the changing diets of the future. All vegans? Machine processed food? Or, keeping with this story, something that a spaceship would also be kitted out to provide?

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth
I'm really hoping that Ina returns with Brainy at the end to be inducted to the Legion as Withering Look Lass. smile


Once they learn Ina's last name is Godda-DaVida, they will instantly admit her as Iron Butterfly Lass.


lol

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, honey,
Won’t you take my hand
So we can run away together
From Kol’s marauding band

DCCP #80 "A World Full of Supermen" by Paul Kupperberg, art by Curt Swan and Dave Hunt, Colors by G. D'Angelo, Letters by Ben Oda

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The Legionnaires arrive through the portal from factory planet to find themselves in unrecognized space. They see a 20th century Earth city floating in space and are pulled toward it. A metallic creature observes them a station in space and analyzes the situation. Jo breaks free of the tractor beam and flies to the city, only to be attacked by Superman. The others, still held in the beam, begin to feel heat and see Superman attacking them with heat vision. Jan creates a lead shield; Cham, Vi and Tinya use their powers to escape while Jan stays shielded. They are met by three Supermen.

The metallic creature watches this, learns they are Legionnaires, informs us that this is a limbo between realities and that he is Brainiac, recovering from a previous battle with Superman.

On real Earth, Clark Kent gets a headache from ultrasonic beams and changes into Superman to investigate. Meanwhile, the Legionnaires are battling multiple Supermen, having discovered that they are biological robots. After destroying them, they rescue Element Lad from his lead shield. Brainiac observes all this and concludes he can use them to defeat Superman.

Tinya suspects this place is an anti-Superman testing ground. Many more Supermen descend on them and the Legionnaires fight back, wondering if there's anyone alive in the city.

Superman arrives, having followed the ultrasonic beam through dimensions. As he explores the city, he spies the Legionnaires, then is overrun by a wave of Superman robots seeking the Legionnaires. The Legionnaires fight this group; Jo k-o's Superman and realizes this one's not a robot.

Brainiac appears, encases Superman in a force field, then tells the Legionnaires that he has been controlling their minds and is preventing them from rescuing Superman. He begins to atomize Superman. However, the mind control program has disengaged and the Legionnaires are free. Jan tells Brainiac that his molecular disassembler is backlashing; Brainiac is confused, Superman revives. Brainiac destroys his equipment then teleports away. Jan explains that he caused smoke to come off Brainiac's metal body to give the impression of equipment failure. Superman thanks them, and the Legionnaires leave to look for a way out of this place and time.

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Yawn....a real filler story as far as the Legion is concerned. No personality stands out, the individuality and tensions we've seen in the Levitz stories are absent. The Legionnaires' powers are used adequately, but the endless Superman battles are boring and the lost Legionnaires are no further ahead in their quest to return home.

I'll bet 10 credits that thoth calls them ACME Supermen, because that's exactly what they are.

I don't really see why Jan had to hide in the lead shield, but he did. His powers could have disabled the Supermen somehow, but this is one of those instances when Jan's powers aren't miraculous. Compared to the LSH issues, Jan seemed rather flippant when talking to Brainiac, Adventure-era flippant. I half expected all the Legionnaires to start laughing and pointing at foolish Brainiac. It's a real shift in tone from what we've been reading.

Brainiac performs miracles of science but goofs up with controlling the Legionnaires by using the word "End" and can't tell that his own machinery isn't malfunctioning. Not much of a super-genius, although he did acknowlege that his brain functions weren't fully functional.

The ending is incredibly abrupt. There's not even a "what are you doing here?" from Superman. The portal the Legionnaires came through leads to a destroyed planet (and presumably, destroyed portal) so where they go from here is the most interesting aspect of this story.
It will be a little later on for me this week, as I've not kept the DC Presents with the regular issues. I don't recognise the cover though.
I don't think I've ever read that DC Comics Presents. Doesn't sound like I've missed much.
DCCP 80

This seems like an attempt to recreate the Silver Age appeal of the Legion. Curt Swan is on board to handle the art, and the dialogue flies straight out of the campy '60s: "Look alive, Legionnaires!" "that seems to fall into the realm of easier said than done," "so hot it's got me bothered!" Kupperberg spares no corny cliche. I get the impression that the story was an attempt to create a fun romp: the Legionnaires find themselves battling a world full of Superman robots. When the real Superman shows up, they mistake him for a robot. Hilarious hi-jinks ensue.

But this sitcom-y approach falls flat. The story isn't clever or surprising. The dialogue of the Legionnaires is interchangeable. And the ending makes no sense. Why are the Legionnaires walking away from Superman when he could return them to the 30th century or at least contact the rest of the Legion to let them know where their lost members are? This is a "done-in-one" issue taken to extremes. It has no context with any of the events surrounding the Legionnaires or Superman, evidently. Only Brainiac gets a subplot--though his references to a war with "the Master Programmer" elude me.

Nor is there any warmth in the Legion's encounter with the real Superman. If I were a new reader, I would get the impression that they know each other, but I have only Element Lad's parting shot--"What are old friends for?"--to indicate that they are indeed old friends. Furthermore, Superman looks abandoned as the Legionnaires stroll off together and leave him behind. He must be remembering the cruel joke the Legion played on him in their first encounter.

I wouldn't expect much from any issue of DCCP. The series existed just to show Superman fighting alongside a variety of DC's other heroes. (However, in looking for this issue, I discovered I do have an extensive collection of the series. I must have seen some value in following it.) Still, I would hope for a better thought-out story and at least some of the old camaraderie between Kal and his friends from the future.
Very nice weather prevented me doing any re-reading or re-finding in this case.
LSH #9 by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Larry Mahlstedt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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At HQ, Legionnaires discuss what to do about their low numbers and decide to have new member tryouts in a few weeks. At that point, the lost Legionnaires walk in. After happy greetings all around, Jan finds Shvaughn in a park helping a child trapped by a fallen tree. Later, the Legionnaires relax together, with SP friends, Rond Vidar and Yera. Violet has a sharp talk with Yera and tells Yera to never impersonate her again, then stomps off, colliding with a distracted Brin.

Brin checks out on leave and meets Zirf to discuss some business. Jan and Shvaugn share some alone time away from the Legion but are interrupted by calls from both Zendak and Dream Girl regarding a situation in Hong Kong.

Elsewhere, R.J. Brande meets with Proteans, as someone spies on him. At the Academy, Dvron takes the kryptonite bullet which struck Laurel and hopes he can solve the case.

In Hong Kong, someone is blasting SP officers and causing destruction; Jacques reports that he saw Sklarians fleeing.

Brin and Zirf, on a flight to Tokyo, pass over the smoke from the destruction in Hong Kong. Brin has learned that he is Val Armorr's executor and will inherit several billion credits after performing some task.

In Hong Kong, the Legionnaires wonder why Sklarians attacked since they are at peace with the U.P. and even have an embassy in Hong Kong. Jacques suggests that it may be individual Sklarians after something. Cham disguises himself as a Sklarian; Vi hides in his/her hair, Jacques turns invisible and Ayla shorts out the security system. They enter the Sklarian building, Cham switches to a flying insect and they discover illegal shipments of frozen organs. A Sklarian tries to swat Cham, Violet grows and hits her; they escape. Jacques has proof that the Sklarians were raiding Hong Kong's organ mart. This leads them to the ship being loaded; Jan disables the cargobots. When the other Sklarians arrive to load the cargo manually, they are apprehended by Legionnaires.

As dawn breaks, Jan returns to Shvaughn's apartment and they resume their physical reunion.

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There's a lot going on in this issue, wrapping up some old storylines and starting several intriguing new ones. It also provides a lot of character moments and some insight into personalities and couple dynamics.

The only complaint is that the return of the lost Legionnaires is unexplained. It's a big gap from where and when we last saw them, but perhaps the writers consider the readers sufficiently creative to make up their own connections.

One other minor point is the characterization of Dvron as the not-too-bright rookie. It's a common type of character, but, given that there are so few SP officers, why wouldn't each one be among the best and brightest? Does Dvron have connections?

My favourite scene is the one with all the Legionnaires and friends relaxing in some recreation room with illusions of clouds, waterfalls, bubbles and fish, along with floating chairs. Most of the Legionnaires are out of uniform - except for Lar, Ayla, Mysa,and Thom (and Wildfire of course; he doesn't seem to have a casual containment suit). Did they just not bother to change, are they the on-call team or are they more comfortable in costume? Brin is not only in his uniform, he's not even joining the festivities; just looking on at Ayla's group from a balcony. Mysa interrupts Blok's advances, the Jo-Tinya-Lar-Tasmia cliques sits apart, there's a bit of an SP-clique with Shvaughn, Gigi, Gim, Yera and Jan - to which Cham has joined (as friend to Gim and fellow-Durlan with Yera). Wildfire and Jacques are together, an unlikely pair of friends but for their experience in the demon realm. Rond and Dirk discuss inventing a time search-beam, reminding us that Dirk is a scientist - and they invite Thom to join the discussion, implying that he can keep up with the technology. Ayla, Rokk, Nura and Zendak are involved in some dispute regarding Shvaughn (possibly related to her ICC mission with Dev-Em).Unlike other couples, Nura and Thom are separate. Computo is malfunctioning, overpouring a drink. And Vi stands apart, simmering, preparing to confront an oblivious Yera.

There are two extended stories - the Jan-Shvaughn reunion/romance, with Shvaughn clearly the more eager one for sex - and the mission to Hong Kong. I sort of felt like Shvaughn must have felt - this is dragging on a bit, let's see some action - but it does illustrate Jan's reluctance for physical contact. He mentions secrets; we can only guess what they may be. Given what we know now about Shvaughn, this panel has a certain poignancy. The facial expressions alone could have told the whole story .

The Hong Kong mission brings back the Sklarian raiders and continues primarily with the lost team - Jan, Vi and Cham along with Jacques and Ayla. It's not clear that Jan knows the nature of the trouble in Hong Kong - so how does he choose the team? I'd guess that he's become comfortable working with Cham and Vi. He didn't select a powerhouse like Jo or Lar (is he fed up with Jo?); Ayla's the one with the most punch on this mission. She seems to be relishing her renewed powers; Jan is surprised at the force she wields.

The Sklarians are stealing organs for transplant; when we last saw them, they were appealing to be given the same level of tech as other U.P. members and were, it appears, denied. One can sympathize with them to some degree, but they're painted exclusively as villains here.

Violet loses her temper, which complicates the mission, and acknowledges her error. She throws a number of punches and looks pretty happy to do so. Her confrontation with Yera surprised the others; Yera herself met Vi's anger with a simple defense but no apology, leaving Vi fuming - but one has the sense that she might have lost her temper in Hong Kong regardless of meeting Yera.

There's a good sense of continuity within the story, weaving in old plots and starting new ones. There are plenty of futuristic details in the artwork. All in all, a very satisfying issue.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

The only complaint is that the return of the lost Legionnaires is unexplained. It's a big gap from where and when we last saw them, but perhaps the writers consider the readers sufficiently creative to make up their own connections.


If so, the writers were being extremely lazy. smile

From my view, there's no justifiable reason for leaving out such an important part of the story. We've been following our lost Legionnaires for quite some time; we've seen the effect their absence has had on the team as a whole. To be denied a resolution to this story is just wrong.

My other major complaint about this issue is the "oh, by the way" manner in which the story handles news of KK's death. There's no moment of shock or disbelief as the returning Legionnaires cut the happiness of their return short by revealing what happened on Orando. As a result, we're denied a major emotional pay off.

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One other minor point is the characterization of Dvron as the not-too-bright rookie. It's a common type of character, but, given that there are so few SP officers, why wouldn't each one be among the best and brightest? Does Dvron have connections?


Not only does Dvron's behavior make no sense for a by-now experienced officer, he is also referred to as a lieutenant by Gigi in 320.

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My favourite scene is the one with all the Legionnaires and friends relaxing in some recreation room with illusions of clouds, waterfalls, bubbles and fish, along with floating chairs. Most of the Legionnaires are out of uniform - except for Lar, Ayla, Mysa,and Thom (and Wildfire of course; he doesn't seem to have a casual containment suit). Did they just not bother to change, are they the on-call team or are they more comfortable in costume? Brin is not only in his uniform, he's not even joining the festivities; just looking on at Ayla's group from a balcony. Mysa interrupts Blok's advances, the Jo-Tinya-Lar-Tasmia cliques sits apart, there's a bit of an SP-clique with Shvaughn, Gigi, Gim, Yera and Jan - to which Cham has joined (as friend to Gim and fellow-Durlan with Yera). Wildfire and Jacques are together, an unlikely pair of friends but for their experience in the demon realm. Rond and Dirk discuss inventing a time search-beam, reminding us that Dirk is a scientist - and they invite Thom to join the discussion, implying that he can keep up with the technology. Ayla, Rokk, Nura and Zendak are involved in some dispute regarding Shvaughn (possibly related to her ICC mission with Dev-Em).Unlike other couples, Nura and Thom are separate. Computo is malfunctioning, overpouring a drink. And Vi stands apart, simmering, preparing to confront an oblivious Yera.


Good analysis of the different relationships. I, too, thought it was interesting to note which Legionnaires wore their costumes while hanging out.

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He mentions secrets; we can only guess what they may be. Given what we know now about Shvaughn, this panel has a certain poignancy.


Indeed. Though I doubt Levitz and/or Giffen had planned the outcome of Shvaughn's story this far in advance, it's truly ironic that she's the one keeping secrets.

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The facial expressions alone could have told the whole story .


Indeed again. the last panel on P. 10, with Shvaughn crying while exposing her cleavage speaks volumes about the rejection she must be feeling.

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The Hong Kong mission brings back the Sklarian raiders and continues primarily with the lost team - Jan, Vi and Cham along with Jacques and Ayla. It's not clear that Jan knows the nature of the trouble in Hong Kong - so how does he choose the team?


Plot expediency powers. smile

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Violet loses her temper, which complicates the mission, and acknowledges her error. She throws a number of punches and looks pretty happy to do so. Her confrontation with Yera surprised the others; Yera herself met Vi's anger with a simple defense but no apology, leaving Vi fuming - but one has the sense that she might have lost her temper in Hong Kong regardless of meeting Yera.


Vi's portrayal in this story is very interesting. She approaches Yera to give her a what-for, only to be reduced to babbling when Yera remains calm and refuses to be baited. Vi's self-righteous anger has to go somewhere, so she takes it out first on Blok and then on the Sklarian swatter. Vi really needs to sit down with a therapist.

Ayla also strikes me as someone who feels the need to overcompensate. She comes off as being overly aggressive on the mission to Hong Kong and confrontational with Chief Zendak during the party. This could also be why Ayla wears her costume at the party, to drive home that she's back as a Legionnaires.

Both Vi and Ayla have gone through serious and traumatic experiences. Both have ended long-term relationships. Both may still be trying to find themselves.

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There's a good sense of continuity within the story, weaving in old plots and starting new ones. There are plenty of futuristic details in the artwork. All in all, a very satisfying issue.


Agreed. This is the first issue in which I've really enjoyed Lightle's work. He seems to be coming into his own as an artist.
A few more thoughts on Baxter #9:

Overall, I like this sort of "breather" issue which celebrates the Legionnaires as friends and colleagues. The full-page party scene is a classic, and the Shvaughn/Jan sequence takes their relationship and the book in a new direction. Levitz plays with the trope of our hero's long-awaited intimate encounter being interrupted by duty. But this isn't a funny exchange. Shvaughn's expression, as I noted above, betrays real hurt. The final page rewards the reader's patience (and Shvaughn's) by giving us what we want to see. I truly admire Jan on this page. He's grown up as a Legionnaire and as a man. He shows that he is not only more confident with himself as leader but also as a lover.

Relationships form a recurring theme in this issue. The story ends with Jan and Shvaughn coming together and begins with Thom and Nura drifting further apart. In 321, Nura rejected Thom's advances and accused him of being selfish (which, to a degree, he was). Here he openly contradicts her during a meeting. This clearly takes her by surprise. She even backs down from her position of not adding new Legionnaires. In its own way, this scene, too, moves our characters in new directions.

Blok and Mysa also have a very brief but telling exchange. He approaches her as if he is about to ask her out (something it takes most men a long time to get up the nerve to do), but she cuts him off because he unthinkingly interrupts her illusion. Worse, she describes his interference as "unaesthetic." Way to go, Mysa! Calling someone ugly is a good way to shoot him down. smile

All of which makes the image of Jo, Tinya, Lar, and Shady sitting together and chatting very comforting and reassuring. These four form a clique, but it's not an exclusive or insular one. They appear very comfortable in their relationships. I get the impression of church members having a quiet get-together: a sanctified gathering of people who love and care for one another. In their own way, they provide an image of stability among all of the changes the Legion is going through.

Romantic relationships aren't the only focus of the story. Brin--who is alone and isolated not only from the woman he loved but from the rest of the team--finds himself named as executor of Karate Kid's will. He has a relationship with a dead man--and one he doesn't seem to have been particularly close to (he admits that he isn't mourning Val). But Val thought highly enough of him to entrust "billions of credits" to his safekeeping. Given how his other teammates regard Brin as untrustworthy, incompetent, and just plain dumb, this is shockingly high praise indeed.

Meanwhile, R.J. Brande is observed having a clandestine rendezvous with Proteans. All we really know at this point is that he regards the meeting as ridiculous. I don't recall where this plotline goes, but, in light of what we know about Brande (he's a Durlan), his relationship with Cham, and that Cham regarded Proty and Proty II as pets, it makes for intriguing and unsettling possibilities for future relationships. Is Brande being blackmailed? Is he a political supporter of the Proteans, as the observer suggests?

So, although the issue had a few bumps, as I noted above, I quite enjoyed it. The action plot with the Sklarians is handled in a brisk fashion, showing our heroes to be quite good at what they do and giving quality screen time to each participant. But the focus remains on the ever-evolving relationships of several Legionnaires.
Originally Posted by HWW
My other major complaint about this issue is the "oh, by the way" manner in which the story handles news of KK's death. There's no moment of shock or disbelief as the returning Legionnaires cut the happiness of their return short by revealing what happened on Orando. As a result, we're denied a major emotional pay off.


You know, it was so by the way that I forgot to expect a big, sad announcement of what happened with Val, Jeckie and Orando. It's not clear how much time has elapsed between the return and the relaxed get-together from which Brin departs to meet with lawyer Zirf.

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I truly admire Jan on this page. He's grown up as a Legionnaire and as a man. He shows that he is not only more confident with himself as leader but also as a lover.


He does seem to have gained a lot of confidence, no more griping and waffling about what to do. I didn't like Jan much in the issues we've been reading, which surprised me - guess I only remembered this more adult Jan.

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Blok and Mysa also have a very brief but telling exchange. He approaches her as if he is about to ask her out (something it takes most men a long time to get up the nerve to do), but she cuts him off because he unthinkingly interrupts her illusion. Worse, she describes his interference as "unaesthetic." Way to go, Mysa! Calling someone ugly is a good way to shoot him down.


That was harsh! It wasn't the case in the story about her life, but Mysa can be rather socially awkward at times. Perhaps oblivious to social niceties is a better way to put it.

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Romantic relationships aren't the only focus of the story. Brin--who is alone and isolated not only from the woman he loved but from the rest of the team--finds himself named as executor of Karate Kid's will. He has a relationship with a dead man--and one he doesn't seem to have been particularly close to (he admits that he isn't mourning Val). But Val thought highly enough of him to entrust "billions of credits" to his safekeeping. Given how his other teammates regard Brin as untrustworthy, incompetent, and just plain dumb, this is shockingly high praise indeed.


Brin's been so battered around lately that this turn of events is quite uplifting. At least, Val recognized that he's the right man for the job - he doesn't need accounting skills where he's going, but quick wits, street smarts and courage.

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Meanwhile, R.J. Brande is observed having a clandestine rendezvous with Proteans. All we really know at this point is that he regards the meeting as ridiculous. I don't recall where this plotline goes, but, in light of what we know about Brande (he's a Durlan), his relationship with Cham, and that Cham regarded Proty and Proty II as pets, it makes for intriguing and unsettling possibilities for future relationships. Is Brande being blackmailed? Is he a political supporter of the Proteans, as the observer suggests?


I don't recall either if this plotline goes anywhere - at least not until 5YL and the Soul of Antares. It does generate a lot of questions, though.
LoSH v3 9

The cover sums up the content. Against a background of romance with Jan and Shvaugn, the SP alert the Legion to a small scale mission and there’s a gathering of characters.
Following the team meeting in Tales #319 and then Dreamy musing about membership at the monitor board in Tales #320, the topic of new members comes up again in this issue. The difference is that Thom sides with Cos’ desire to recruit new blood.

Cos makes the point that the whole team is exhausted. Now I’ve been wondering in recent reviews just what the main team has been up to while the focus has been on the Orando team. Although the mission in this issue is a relatively small one, it does go some way to answering that question. Lots of smaller missions gradually taking their toll on the team.
Lightle gives us a close up of Nura’s eye when Thom sides with Cos. Because it’s Nura I’d have to include she’s seen something of the future. Is it something to do with the new recruits? Or is it because it’s thom who says “otherwise we’re all gonna get killed, love.” A hint of Nura crying over Thom’s departure, rather than his death which was even further way?
Nira is certainly quick enough to agree, following her realisation, whether precognitive or not. She passes comment in an offhand way, (“well, then, I suppose I go along with you, boys.”) but I do think there was something deeper going on there.

It’s nice that she defers to Wildfire to get this organised. Fortunately Cos was going to let Wildfire into his plans ages ago, so all the recruitment has been sorted out… oh, it hasn’t because that subplot went nowhere.

Just the mention of “tryouts” brings a smile.

As Nura resumes the meeting the lost legionnaires return. Blok seems terribly smiley, leading me to suspect he’s been replaced by something else or he’s off his rock-er smile
There are some interesting responses. Brin is a bit slow. Ayla seems a bit bothered. As she’s already re-established her place in the team, she has no reason to be.
Gim’s “you’re looking good, chameleon boy” to Cham is interesting. Perhaps he’s learning all sorts of things from Durlans.

Considering how backwards comics were/are, there some liberating ethnicity in Zendak’s family tree, as Element Lad helps Shvaugn rescue his nephew. A little touch snuck in there by either Levitz or Lightle.

The rescue is a nice set up page to Erin’s reunion with Jan. It’s a quiet scene fitting well with all those moments they’ve had. Zendak’s nephew goes from being a little scared to being a little bit ignored. Look for Symyn Zendak to become a slightly less patient chief of the SP when he grows up.

The scene did spark off fears among Legion world that Jan had accidently killed Tree Lad, who was on protective duty on key Legion allies. Considering Jan’s state of mind, some thought Jan had decided to settle a few scores, in keeping with Ayla and Vi of this period.

I’ve not a big fan of the party page. I think it’s just the fashions. As it’s set so far ahead, I probably shouldn’t; like them. smile Looking at it now, there’s a lot going on. The Jo/Tinya/Lar/Tas clique (LaTaJoTi ?) is rejoined, and we get some book crossover chat. More crossover chat, as Ayla reminds us of her assertiveness while telling us that Officer Erin is about to appear over in Tales.

Dreamy’s firm response is very much in keeping with her leadership duties. Where there’s a decision going on, there she is. Thom, on the other hand, is being drawn into a science conversation. Are they apart on purpose. Blok makes another failed attempt to approach Mysa. I thought Vi was overly snarky, but she’s looking at Yera, when she says it. She, Gim and GI Gi are reminding us of another Tales story. Another looks-telling-a story is Brin, back to being Lone Wolf and looking down at Ayla. That can’t be good for the team, so it’s no bad thing he has a solo coming up. Cos is looking at Ayla, as if she represents the new Legion that he’s transitioning towards.

So, what may seem like created chatter in the scene has plenty of payoffs to the other book.

Lost Tales here include Rond’s comment leading into a Doctor Regulus taking over the Time Beacon; Jacques wearing Kid Eternity’s belt around his neck as he continues to look into the origins of the Dream Demon; Computo’s glitch links to other recent errors and a bigger story; and Zendak really being there to investigate the murder of Tree Lad.

Vi finally confronts Yera. Gim speaks up for his wife. Thanks Gim. That’s the person you thought was Vi, but couldn’t tell the difference. Vi lets Yera off. The key is that she’s “decided to believe” the story. Yera must have been lost in the role, very thick, or just didn’t care enough about Vi not to have some suspicions. Yera passing the buck back to Vi’s people, isn’t endearing and doesn’t get her own actions off the hook either. “ooooopppfffff!” indeed. I’d have liked to have seen some scenes with Vi and Chameleon Girl n later volumes, but Legion Lost put paid to that.

Levitz likes using corridors to link Brin Londo scenes. Here, he runs right into Vi. She observes that his attitude is down to Ayla. Blok is perceived as naïve but, as with the Universo story, is a character with insight. He knows his friend has other things on his mind. It turns out that Brin is looking to fulfil the last wishes of a deceased friend. Not so Lone Wolf as his look at the party would have you think.
Despite his confident return to Erin, he’s a bit hesitant when in private later. He has secrets he wants to tell her. Secrets that he’s a little embarrassed to share. In light of what did happen later, there’s a ton of Lost Tales here. Typically, Zenkak interrupts them, resulting in Erin even commenting on the cliché. Although Nura’s all business, there’s an touch (dare I say, an element) of reasserting himself form Jan. That he feels the need to is telling.

So, ten pages in and the opening scene of the story arrives. That’s not a criticism. It’s no bad thing to have variation in plot structure in an ongoing book.

There’s been an attack on a mall in Hong Kong. The Legion take over form a suicidal officer Kyung. The Legion go in as the blasts reduce in intensity. A cleverer Element Lad wold have created a parallel flanking tunnel. Still, we see Ayla show just how powerful she’s become and how much control she has over electricity. She can stop energy beams with it, create huge destructive busts, but also has the subtly to be able to blast away debris from around a colleague.

Jacques gets to use his two main Legion powers too. The power to be trapped under debris without suffering serious injury. And the power to further the plot through invisible observation. He’s recognised the attackers as Sklarians. He also preps the reader as to what sort of things the Sklarians are often after. The next four issues deal with the diplomatic negotiations that go absolutely nowhere. Then Jan goes back in time, and just has them raid the embassy as we see here.

It’s a job for the espionage squad! We get to see the work Cham puts into his disguises. It’s not just the look. It’s the bearing, the gait and the personality. Vi goes in with him. She got a nice visual evading energy bursts earlier. Here, she’s the perfect companion to Cham allowing them both to shrink to investigate more closely. They find that there’s frozen organ shipping going on. The pari talk about it. But to a full size person, this sounds very much like the buzzing of an insect, and they nearly get swatted (points for the “swat” sound effect) Vi doesn’t take to kindly to that, growing to full size and punching out her attacker. Vi says “I don’t think we were recognised” That’s despite both wearing their distinctive uniforms of the most famous super group in the galaxy. It’s also despite Cham shouting her name, saying her name again and shouting that she’s a Legionnaire. Good work espionage squad! The remainder of the team are standing right outside the embassy for any passer-by to see.

Jacques “Plot Furthering Kid” Foccart is the one to return with some evidence. Can he make other things invisible too? Looks like it here. The Legion work well as a team to trap the Sklarians. Ayla shorts out docking robots, as she did with the embassy security system. Vi knocks out the Sklarian organiser. Cham mimics their voice patterns and impersonates one of the crew, to get all the Sklarians together. Jan and Ayla act as muscle to get the Sklarians to surrender after Jacques acts an element of surprise (An Element of Surprise is also the name of a Lost Legion tale where Jacques investigates all Jan’s embarrassing secrets hinted at earlier in the issue.

There’s more effective teamwork from this group, than there was on Limbo world. Levitz tries to be fair to each of them, as he did then, but the personalities come across a little more clearly here. It’s a grouping without a Kryptonian or Daxamite, and works better as a result.

Two other subplots share a page. RJ Brande is meeting some Proteans in an alley. Despite what you read on the Post-a-thon booth walls, this is an espionage subplot. This is one of those intriguing plots I with lots of potential. Elsewhere, the investigation into Laurel Kent’s shooting doesn’t work because Officer Dvron is an idiot. We recently had a story showing us all the rigorous screening the SP officers went through. I guess that took all the time away from learning simple police procedure. He’s clearly out of his depth and is my favourite for getting bumped off as the story progresses. Chuck’s gentle advice does his job for him.

It’s another better than okay issue that’s a little bit of an improvement over the Limbo World story. The mission team works well together, and the story does its job of spotlighting Jacques, Ayla and Vi and Cham. It’s also a Jan spotlight issue, as he returns to leadership, progresses hi relationship and goes on a mission. Despite that, we don’t learn any of those secrets. Nor do we get beyond the occasional surface him that there’s more going on with him than meets the eye.

The mission was of the standard variety, with Levitz putting in a procedural approach across the scenes that worled well. The group gave themselves away completely during the embassy infiltration, which stretched credulity. Despite the twist of Jacques getting the evidence, the Legion didn’t seem to be in any real trouble of failing. So, there didn’t seem to be much threat this issue. Which is odd to type, considering that a building should have crushed Jacques and someone shot running straight into laser beams.

We also don’t get to know why the Sklarians are looking for this technology. That would have added an extra layer to the plot. Especially as there’s Earth-gov issues coming up. It could have added more political edge to the story.
Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
The only complaint is that the return of the lost Legionnaires is unexplained. It's a big gap from where and when we last saw them, but perhaps the writers consider the readers sufficiently creative to make up their own connections.


Without having read that DC presents issue, I just took it that they went through the conveniently tagged Earth-portal and that was them back. Karate Kid’s death Is mentioned, but there was no ceremony. It can be a writing issue to always move onto the next new story, without closing down the impact of the previous one, beyond a couple of lines of dialogue. In plotting, Brin’s subplot continues the story, and KK is mentioned. But there’s not a scene devoted to one of the fallen. I see HWW makes a similar point. I think they might have learned a lot form the villains and then Ayla. But again, these are things we should have seen. The LSV ended and came back form Orando in a whimper.

Originally Posted by Cramer
One other minor point is the characterization of Dvron as the not-too-bright rookie. It's a common type of character, but, given that there are so few SP officers, why wouldn't each one be among the best and brightest? Does Dvron have connections?


It's a shame that the upcoming plot didn’t reveal him to be a descendant of Olsen or something.

Originally Posted by Cramer
… Nura and Thom are separate. Computo is malfunctioning, overpouring a drink…

If we both noticed, there’s definitely something going on.

Originally Posted by Cramer
…but it does illustrate Jan's reluctance for physical contact. He mentions secrets; we can only guess what they may be. Given what we know now about Shvaughn, this panel has a certain poignancy. The facial expressions alone could have told the whole story .

Ah, Jan’s secrets. So many possibilities in light of later events.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The Hong Kong mission brings back the Sklarian raiders and continues primarily with the lost team - Jan, Vi and Cham along with Jacques and Ayla.

Good point about three of the mission team having been a focus from the bulk of the Orando mission onwards. You’d think they were due some leave. A good point about why Jo is left behind. That would extend to Tinya as well.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The Sklarians are stealing organs for transplant; when we last saw them, they were appealing to be given the same level of tech as other U.P. members and were, it appears, denied. One can sympathize with them to some degree, but they're painted exclusively as villains here.

Having their past hinted at would have raised the story quite a bit, I thought.

Originally Posted by Cramer
There's a good sense of continuity within the story, weaving in old plots and starting new ones. There are plenty of futuristic details in the artwork. All in all, a very satisfying issue.

It wasn’t until I was going through the party scene that I really realised how well linked it all was. Brin, Laurel and RJ plots along with Cos (well, a look from Cos), Yera/Vi etc all pack out the main story.

Originally Posted by HWW
Vi's portrayal in this story is very interesting. She approaches Yera to give her a what-for, only to be reduced to babbling when Yera remains calm and refuses to be baited. Vi's self-righteous anger has to go somewhere, so she takes it out first on Blok and then on the Sklarian swatter. Vi really needs to sit down with a therapist.

Ayla also strikes me as someone who feels the need to overcompensate. She comes off as being overly aggressive on the mission to Hong Kong and confrontational with Chief Zendak during the party. This could also be why Ayla wears her costume at the party, to drive home that she's back as a Legionnaires.

Both Vi and Ayla have gone through serious and traumatic experiences. Both have ended long-term relationships. Both may still be trying to find themselves.


I think that sums up where both are nicely. Yera holding her ground was something of a twist. A good assessment on the rest of the team too.

Originally Posted by HWW
The full-page party scene is a classic…
I’m the odd sentient out on that one. There’s loads going on and I usually like that. Maybe I’m repressing a memory of being caught on the train turning a magazine in another direction and what that suggested to the other passengers. smile

This issue is fine, and has all the usual hallmarks of a Levitz issue. I’ve just found the main storylines of the last three to be a little flat. But a flat Levitz issue, is still pretty decent stuff. Particularly with Lightly coming into his own on the book.

I had been wondering about where the Protean thing went, and I see that our memories pretty much match. I do agree that Brin is being picked for what he can do, rather than for any particular closeness with Val. Although there could well be Lost Legion stories of Lone Wolf Brin finding more of a place within the team, through training with Val. Plenty of other members have mentioned similar training.
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Cos makes the point that the whole team is exhausted. Now I’ve been wondering in recent reviews just what the main team has been up to while the focus has been on the Orando team. Although the mission in this issue is a relatively small one, it does go some way to answering that question. Lots of smaller missions gradually taking their toll on the team.


Good point, the small missions adding up, especially with a reduced team and people still feeling the effects of Darkseid, as well as the emotional drain of the missing Legionnaires.

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Nira is certainly quick enough to agree, following her realisation, whether precognitive or not. She passes comment in an offhand way, (“well, then, I suppose I go along with you, boys.”) but I do think there was something deeper going on there.


Because she already knew how it would turn out? Or perhaps had already made up her mind but let the others think they'd convinced her.

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It’s nice that she defers to Wildfire to get this organised. Fortunately Cos was going to let Wildfire into his plans ages ago, so all the recruitment has been sorted out… oh, it hasn’t because that subplot went nowhere.


There's a plot limbo land where unpublished panels explain all.

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As Nura resumes the meeting the lost legionnaires return. Blok seems terribly smiley, leading me to suspect he’s been replaced by something else or he’s off his rock-er


Ouch! for the pun, but I hadn't noticed the smile.

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The rescue is a nice set up page to Erin’s reunion with Jan. It’s a quiet scene fitting well with all those moments they’ve had. Zendak’s nephew goes from being a little scared to being a little bit ignored. Look for Symyn Zendak to become a slightly less patient chief of the SP when he grows up.


Odd he didn't call her Officer, but "lady". The little touches like making this kid a Zendak add a depth to the Legionverse.

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The scene did spark off fears among Legion world that Jan had accidently killed Tree Lad, who was on protective duty on key Legion allies. Considering Jan’s state of mind, some thought Jan had decided to settle a few scores, in keeping with Ayla and Vi of this period.


So what did Tree Lad have against the kid?

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Lost Tales here include Rond’s comment leading into a Doctor Regulus taking over the Time Beacon; Jacques wearing Kid Eternity’s belt around his neck as he continues to look into the origins of the Dream Demon; Computo’s glitch links to other recent errors and a bigger story; and Zendak really being there to investigate the murder of Tree Lad.


Or find out why Tree Lad tried to murder Symyn.

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I’d have liked to have seen some scenes with Vi and Chameleon Girl n later volumes, but Legion Lost put paid to that.

Even though they patched things up, to some degree, in 5YL, you wonder if resentments didn't linger on both sides. Perhaps the 5YL rapprochement was the result of consuming some of those Winathian mushrooms.

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Levitz likes using corridors to link Brin Londo scenes.


Interesting. Symbolic of...Brin going nowhere? Between lives?

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Jacques “Plot Furthering Kid” Foccart is the one to return with some evidence.


He and Tinya are often the ones to figure things out or see the crucial bit of information. Maybe it has something to do with their extra-dimensional powers.

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The mission was of the standard variety, with Levitz putting in a procedural approach across the scenes that worled well. The group gave themselves away completely during the embassy infiltration, which stretched credulity.


Too tired after their recent adventures, they got sloppy. And lucky, since the mission still worked.


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It's a shame that the upcoming plot didn’t reveal him to be a descendant of Olsen or something.


Wow! They missed that one, with all those 20th century descendants showing up.
Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
Nura is certainly quick enough to agree, following her realisation, whether precognitive or not. She passes comment in an offhand way, (&#147;well, then, I suppose I go along with you, boys.&#148;) but I do think there was something deeper going on there.


Because she already knew how it would turn out? Or perhaps had already made up her mind but let the others think they'd convinced her.


I definitely think it's the former. I like to think that it's linked in to something she sees regarding her future with Thom too. While the outcome of their relationship is some time away, the arc has been going on for some time too.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
It&#146;s nice that she defers to Wildfire to get this organised. Fortunately Cos was going to let Wildfire into his plans ages ago, so all the recruitment has been sorted out&#133; oh, it hasn&#146;t because that subplot went nowhere.


There's a plot limbo land where unpublished panels explain all.


Wildfire could have done with a positive subplot. We'll see how much involvement he has in the try outs soon though.


Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
As Nura resumes the meeting the lost legionnaires return. Blok seems terribly smiley, leading me to suspect he&#146;s been replaced by something else or he&#146;s off his rock-er


Ouch! for the pun, but I hadn't noticed the smile.


Blok: Unbalanced minion of the Dark Man after all.


Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
The scene did spark off fears among Legion world that Jan had accidently killed Tree Lad, who was on protective duty on key Legion allies. Considering Jan&#146;s state of mind, some thought Jan had decided to settle a few scores, in keeping with Ayla and Vi of this period.


So what did Tree Lad have against the kid?


It turns out that Zendak was investigating a villain from within the Legion. That villain had anonymously threatened his family, and so Tree Lad was helping protect it. The scene we see look as though Erin and Jan are just helping the nephew. But Jan had actually killed Tree Lad and then returned to the scene to assist Erin. We saw Jan about to confess to Erin later on. But that chance was interrupted.


Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by thoth
Levitz likes using corridors to link Brin Londo scenes.


Interesting. Symbolic of...Brin going nowhere? Between lives?


Maybe they put Brin out at night, and he prowls the corridors. If you look closely at some panels of the HQ entrance, you can see the cat wolf flap.
Tales #322 Lost Among the Missing by Mindy Newell & Paul Levitz, art by Dan Jurgens & Karl Kesel, Colors by Carl Gaford, Letters by Ben Oda

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An elderly priestess denounces Jhodan as having betrayed Kol by consorting with "the winged demon".

Dawnstar arises, while Jhodan and Ina sleep, and tried to fly with her damaged wings. She fails and Ina attacks her with a sword. They fight until Jhodan intervenes. He berates Ina; Dawnstar realizes that Ina loves him.

Brainy bathes in a pool. Spliff tells him his clothes stink. Brainy is thankful that Spliff is friendly even if he is a schizophrenic. He finds Spliff chanting and drawing symbols which indicate Earth along with symbols.

At Legion HQ, Nura tells Jan she's happy he's back as leader - and he admits he's glad as well. After complimenting one another, Wildfire bursts in, angry that Dawnstar is missing and blaming Nura for letting Brainy experiment with her tracking abilities. Jan defends Nura.

Jhodan stops their journey home to tell Ina to hunt for food since her prayers brought no manna that morning. He prays at an altar as Dawnstar is baffled by the demands of this religion. The sky rumbles and he appeals to Kol that he is loyal.

Back at the temple, the head priestess as riled up the warriors with her story of Jhodan's betrayal. As the storm gathers, she commands them to ride out and find Jhodan, but to destroy Ina and "the weirdling". She is saddened by Jhodan's fall, but proceeds to meet penitents. One describes a dream of a fish falling from the sky and disgorging a green-skinned man. The priestess is alarmed, thinking this signals the Time of the Infidels.

As Spliff chants, flying creatures drop a basket of pink globs from the sky; this is the manna that people eat.

Troops confront Jhodan. Dawnstar manages to fly away. Ina's loyalties are divided. As she sees Jhodan attacked from behind, she decides to help him and joins the struggle, picking up a fallen sword. A soldier traps her against a tree, then slips and falls on her sword.

On the Dark Circle planet, Dvron continues his spywork, having discovered something big, and tries to contact Shvaughn. He is being monitored by the Dark Circle and has been all along, falling into a trap they've set.

Spliff brings Brainy to a town, where people fear his green skin but his association with Spliff and a lick from a giant pet convince them that he's not dangerous. He enters a building and finds computer reels.

Dawnstar is inconsolable, blaming herself for the soldier's death. Jhodan tries to comfort her but a kiss is interrupted by Ina, who departs in a fury. Dawnstar considers that she might be able to have a life with Jhodan and they manage to exchange an understanding of each other's name.

At HQ, Thom arrives to take Nura to supper at a fancy restaurant, but she's tired, feeling grungy and only wants to rest. She calls him selfish and stomps off.

Brainy sees that the computer reels date from a time of the Great Wars. He hears people running toward a plaza, then sees them bowing before Jhodan and Dawnstar.

Comments:

This issue is a combination of doomed romance comic and continued world-building, with a bit of standard Legion fare thrown in. The mystery of Kol's planet and its connection to 25th century Earth only deepens.

We learn a bit more about the planet's culture, mostly the degree to which its harsh religion rules the people; there's not much revealed about any particular beliefs beyond obedience to Kol.

The manna suggests nourishment for a wandering tribe, seeking a promised land - but everyone here is settled. Possibly it appears in response to some prayer or chant in the wilderness; the children in town seem delighted to see it when Spliff arrives with some.

In a surprising twist of the primitive meets advanced culture story, it's Brainiac 5 who smells bad to Spliff rather than the reverse.

Dawnstar is horrified to have killed a soldier, albeit by accident. The cover is considerably more dramatic than the actual event of the soldier's death and I wonder if Jurgens was given story details which later changed. However, Dawnstar very quickly rebounds as her concern for and attraction to Jhodan strengthens. It does make you think there's some influence working on her emotions. Brainy seems oddly laid-back as well. He may suspect something is off, thinking that the manna causes hallucinations. On the final page, people bow before Jhodan and Dawnstar, although the Reverend Mother condemned them both: that's a good puzzle on which to end the issue. While it's credible that news hasn't reached this particular village, it's odd that Dawnstar has been viewed as a witch or a monster up until now; what's different about this village?

I seem to be missing something in the story: Brainy understands the speech of Spliff and the townspeople, while Dawnstar can make out no more than Jhodan's name. Does he have a better grasp of languages or are Spliff and the villagers speaking a recognizable dialect?

Back home, Nura and Jan are at last on good terms; Jan even defends her when she's verbally attacked by Wildfire. It's a relief to see Jan acting like the adult I remember from later issues. Whether it's the encounter with Wildfire and/or the tensions of leadership over the past year, Nura snaps at Thom. It doesn't look like any sort of permanent rift at this point, but she's the one moving away from him. She could be starting to contemplate her future as Naltor's High Seer (not sure if this is a given at this point) and appreciating the responsibilities she will have to bear; she's certainly had a good taste of leadership with the Legion.

It's an interesting issue for the details - in words and images - supplied about this strange world. However, it's a bit frustrating to have been given no answers about what's going on, only further questions.
TotLoSH 322

From a cover of a fallen angel, we now have one of a rising demon. It’s also a cover that gives away one of the issue’s big turning points. Still, it’s certainly dramatic. I remember wondering when I first got this, if it was Jhodan she had killed, even with the change of clothes. Just to give it that extra resonance. But it wasn’t.

I thought I had skipped an issue, and had to back to check. Last issue Jhodan and Ina were taking Dawny back to the Core. The villagers thought he was within his rights to do so. And Ina hadn’t told anyone of the problems.

Yet, our splash page has the reverend mother has declared Jhodan and Ina as traitors and deserving of judgement. How does she know what’s happened? The brotherhood also seem to know that there’s a bird-woman involved. How do they know this? Was Jhodan sent directly on a mission to bring her back last issue. If so, I don’t remember it being said. I do remember anyone who Kol doesn’t like faces either excommunication or death.

The splash page also has the face of the Blue Devil. One of my early posts on LW covered the link between Blue Devil, Kol and Hate Face

There’s a genesis story that tells of the “light of Kol” so it could be that the Core are the descendants of a crashed spaceship, while the locals are indigenous. Or that they are all descendants of the space ship crew, just that some had more senior/ key roles on it, and they are now the Core. Or the spaceship converted only some of the locals after a crash…

Behind the Reverend mother, we get a mix of technology and stonework, hinting again at the ship based origin for the Core. I wondered if there was any significance to the Reverend Mothers staff of office. If there is, I can’t think of it (unless it’s a converted Blue Devil trident of course). She later refers to it as The Crystal of Kol.

As to why Jhodan has suddenly run afoul of Kol, Dawny indicates that the two of them were intimate between last issue and this. After we saw them close to an embrace at the end of 321 Dawny says “last night, I felt I had known him forever” and “last night is gone.”

That could go some way to why Ina attacks Dawny with the knife, although her simply trying to fly would have been enough. It does also add weight to Drake’s outburst later in the issue. Their connection is so strong (turning up at the moment when Dawnstar was to find her partner is another example of this) that he knows something has happened and lashes out.

Dawny later refers to Jhodan as a friend. Perhaps Kol picked up that something was wrong from Ina’s prayers. Ina’s perspective on the matter might have made this a lot worse than it actually was.
Kol knowing what went on between Dawny and Jhodan would indicate it can survey its world. The space ship origins would suggest technology to do this. However, last issue Jhodan tells Ina that they are Kol’s vessels. Perhaps that’s to be taken more literally than it seemed. Something else else that marks the Core out as different form the others, could be something inside them or that has changed them. It would link Jhodan directly to the Core and then to the Reverend Mother.

Just before Dawny beats up Ina, Johdan calls his pupil off. Ina refers to Dawny as “it” while she’s a “she” to Jhodan. Both do this deliberately to show the other their feelings. Jhodan is always quick to impart his wisdom onto his pupil. She has always been wrong. But now the roles have changed. Jhodan knows he was wrong here as Ina stalks away with vengeance in her heart for the “weirdling”
There follows a Brainy beefcake scene as he bathes in front of Spliff, who has also moved his clothes. I wonder how many fanfics this one inspired. Perhaps Dawny won’t be the only one looking to return to Kol. smile

Spliff gives Brainy a big clue as to Kol’s origins. He draws out that men and women came from the third planet of the sol system.

Back at Legion HQ, Wildfire blames Dreamy for losing Dawny. He says that he thinks that she’s no longer a capable leader and that others called her “vain and selfish.” He’s about to go further before Dreamy and, as leader, Element Lad counter. There’s no apology and he stalks out thinking only about himself. It’s not a “I hope you’re well Dawny” It’s a Dawny, I know I’ve lost you. Lots of “I” in there. Just in the last review I was saying that Drake needed something positive. This goes in the other direction, reinforcing some of his worse traits.
The Core’s link to a surveying Kol seem to be confirmed when Jhodan stops to pray. It turns out that Ina’s prayers have brought no manna, presumably as Kol knows what has happened and informed the Reverend Mother. Dawny notes that the shrines are every 5km. Are those simply marker shrines, or part of Kol’s ability to keep in touch with it’s world? When Jhodan prays, the result is more direct and the skies turn an ominous red.

Funnily enough, Dawny would be front and centre when red skies sweep across everywhere is a couple of months. It would have been a nice throwaway had she made a connection between the two events.

The red skies add a spur to the Core soldiers tasked to bring Jhodan back, or kill him. The Reverend Mother sees it as a sign. The word balloons are mistakenly reversed for Rand and Lictio in one panel. As the guards leave, the Reverend Mother hears of a dream from one of the non-core people. He has dreamt of Brainy. It might be the thought of psychic phenomena in someone not in the core that shocked the Reverend Mother, but it seems just as likely that Brainy’s arrival is part of a prophecy she has knowledge of. That adds a layers of new questions to the story. Spliff also said he dreamt of Dawny’s arrival last issue. I thought he actually saw her, but perhaps it links more directly with what the local man’s dreamings.

Earlier, Jhodan mentioned that Ina’s prayers brought no manna. Now Spliff prays and Manna is delivered in a basket carried by four flying lizards. This would again suggest that Kol is able to connect directly with the world, and that it’s done through certain people. It would therefore suggest that Spliff was once one of the Core. Brainy mentions Spliff’s schizophrenia frequently. Perhaps this is a result of something Spliff has learned about Kol.

Two days later and the Core meet Jhodan. Dawny flies away, and Jhiodan prevents any arrows being shot at her. Ina has a true conflict of loyalties, while Dawny returns when she sees Jhodan about to be stabbed. Her feelings for Jhodan quickly outweigh her wish to leave the planet.

Although she’s injured, Dawny’s main asset is her speed. We’ve seen her flying an opponent through a ship’s hull before. But here, having dispatched one enemy, she doesn’t take to the sky once again for another attack. Instead, she picks up a sword. There’s an excuse of fighting by the rules of the people there. But we don’t see her use blasters or anything of the Khunds when she’s facing them. There’s what’s supposed to be a dramatic moment when one of the soldiers makes an unlikely slip onto Dawny’s sword. It’s self defence, but it’s the Legion and Dawny knows what a death at her hands means. That’s Jacques and Dawny’s action both having resulted in a death recently. Is the no killing rule becoming blurred? I look forward to Thom judging at the trial. smile

Speaking of Thom, one of this issue’s subplots is another brush off at the hands of Nura. Once again, Thom wants to do something together as a couple while Nura is thinking of Legion commitments. It’s becoming quite a repetitive scene. While Thom is indeed thinking about himself as much as the relationship, there comes a point that Nura is also only thinking about the team, and her place in it, and not the relationship. Rocky roads ahead, and I don’t mean that Blok gets involved (for Cramer who so enjoyed my last Blok pun smile )

There’s an ad for Crisis #1 in this issue (and last week’s Baxter issue). Dawny is one of the characters featured. Having killed, and found a new love, I wonder if readers are thinking that her time with the Legion could be coming to an end? The lettercol suggests that they will be going through some changes and Wildfire thinks that he’s lost her. (it also mentions a “long promised Titans-Legion crossover” That would be a lot later on in the end. It also answers why Drake is in the team if he needs a suit and confirms that Blok was never human, despite that dialogue in an early appearance).

A distraught Dawny (who thinks of Wildfire again) is comforted by Jhodan. Here, they are about to kiss and, seeing them, Ina stalks off breaking her ties to Jhodan. If she didn’t hear Jhodan and Dawny a few nights before, I wonder what happened to give Dawny all those deep thoughts. Jhodan is conveniently stopped from going after her, as Dawny wants to treat his wounds. That should give Ina a position in the finale issue.

The manna that Spliff collects he gives to others in his home village. He dispenses wisdom along with it, reinforcing that he’s likely to have been one of the Core. Exploring the village, Brainy comes across a temple with starship parts. He finds an old reel from the Great Wars and tucks it away. He’s drawn towards a crowd in the town centre, where the locals are bowing to Jhodan and Dawnstar. Jhodan shouldn’t look too shocked. Locals were bowing to him a couple of times in the last issue, as he’s one of the Core (well, he was). Both Legionnaires had considered the other to have died, so there’s going to be a bit of relief in the reunion.

The other subplot in this issue concerned Dev-Em’s infiltration of the Dark Circle. He’s found out a few things, but is unaware that the Circle watch his every move.

It’s a well paced issue, and the absence of much of the Legion isn’t really a problem, much as it wasn’t in the Lar/Tasmia spotlight issues. Dawny continues through her arc of her feeling for Jhodan, now complicated further by a possible infringement of the Legion code. Brainy gets to indulge his curiosity, although there’s lots of internal dialogue pushing things along. Ina is probably the most interesting, as she is having to go through some very rapid changes. Her anger and jealously some of it rightfully placed have now led her to abandon her teacher. She doesn’t know that the Core are happy to see her die, so hopefully she’ll stay away from them for a while.

Her “not any more!” outburst at Dawny and Jhodan mirrors Drake’s “from now on, stay out of my way!” blow up at Nura and Jan. I think it sums up Drake’s emotional security and maturity quite well.

Li’l thoth’s Elsewhere section

… Um… li’l thoth seems to have had an off month this time round. I’d have got the Legion (although I didn’t get next month’s) and…

JLA- 237 – The old JLA meets the new, with a quite lame reason as to why they didn’t intercede following Aquaman’s decision to disband the JLA.

But that’s it. So, definitely not the Legion DC Presents at the time.

I picked up Crisis 1, with Dawnstar and Who’s Who 2 shortly afterwards (I’m having a little flashback of picking up a few early Who’s Who’s in one go). I thought I’d raced up to a lot of titles a bit quickly in recent reviews. I guess this was a gap between picking up what was on the newsstand with trips to the City. But how long is this gap?! How long?!
Of the ones I’d pick up later…

Atari Force – 16. All the action takes place on a ship. But there’s a lot going on across the team. With it’s interesting aliens and strong characters there are a few things that would fit in very well with the Legion. Lightle is about to bring in some of that to the Baxter book.

Um… Azrael makes an appearance while Gar looks to pin the traitor tag on Joey as the Terminator’s trial approaches. Like The Legion without Giffen, the Titans just loses that edge without Perez adding to the plotting.

I see World’s Finest had The Executrix as a villain. Also the name of a RPG villain I had from ages ago. >tsk<

I’d have picked up the All-Star Squadron and the Flash at some point, but neither are stand out issues. The Squadron go to a masked ball where they fight Night and Fog, while the Flash’s trial moves along like a version of The Turtle.

So…tune in again in a fortnight when li’l thoth might have got his dad to buy him some funny books!
Originally Posted by thoth
Yet, our splash page has the reverend mother has declared Jhodan and Ina as traitors and deserving of judgement. How does she know what’s happened? The brotherhood also seem to know that there’s a bird-woman involved. How do they know this? Was Jhodan sent directly on a mission to bring her back last issue. If so, I don’t remember it being said. I do remember anyone who Kol doesn’t like faces either excommunication or death.


Possibly explained in next issue (don't recall either & haven't read ahead), but it's certainly a gap here. It suggests some surveillance ability - maybe the birds delivering manna have little cameras attached.

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The splash page also has the face of the Blue Devil. One of my early posts on LW covered the
link between Blue Devil, Kol and Hate Face


That Blue Devil face does stand out from the others. You could be on to something.

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Behind the Reverend mother, we get a mix of technology and stonework, hinting again at the ship based origin for the Core. I wondered if there was any significance to the Reverend Mothers staff of office. If there is, I can’t think of it (unless it’s a converted Blue Devil trident of course). She later refers to it as The Crystal of Kol.


I was looking for some significance here as well, but only got more unanswered questions.

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Kol knowing what went on between Dawny and Jhodan would indicate it can survey its world. The space ship origins would suggest technology to do this. However, last issue Jhodan tells Ina that they are Kol’s vessels. Perhaps that’s to be taken more literally than it seemed. Something else else that marks the Core out as different form the others, could be something inside them or that has changed them. It would link Jhodan directly to the Core and then to the Reverend Mother.


The idea of super A.I. wasn't very widespread when this was written, but something like that would explain how the planet was surveilled, controlled and managed. When priests were initiated, maybe they got some sort of implant or tech device (which they would wear like a crucifex) to connect them all as part of the Core. Alexa, bring manna!

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There follows a Brainy beefcake scene as he bathes in front of Spliff, who has also moved his clothes. I wonder how many fanfics this one inspired. Perhaps Dawny won’t be the only one looking to return to Kol.


Hah! They must have had some fun teasing the readers with that beefcake scene of the guy who's the most covered up in the Legion.

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Back at Legion HQ, Wildfire blames Dreamy for losing Dawny. He says that he thinks that she’s no longer a capable leader and that others called her “vain and selfish.” He’s about to go further before Dreamy and, as leader, Element Lad counter. There’s no apology and he stalks out thinking only about himself. It’s not a “I hope you’re well Dawny” It’s a Dawny, I know I’ve lost you. Lots of “I” in there. Just in the last review I was saying that Drake needed something positive. This goes in the other direction, reinforcing some of his worse traits.


"Who's calling who vain and selfish?" Nura might well have responded. Drake comes off as obsessed - but it's implied that he does have some psychic link with Dawnstar, which he senses is faltering. But is he thinking she's physically dead or just lost to him?

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The Core’s link to a surveying Kol seem to be confirmed when Jhodan stops to pray. It turns out that Ina’s prayers have brought no manna, presumably as Kol knows what has happened and informed the Reverend Mother. Dawny notes that the shrines are every 5km. Are those simply marker shrines, or part of Kol’s ability to keep in touch with it’s world? When Jhodan prays, the result is more direct and the skies turn an ominous red.


Wifi towers? I hadn't made the connection between the shrines and the potential for surveillance/connectivity, just saw them as another example of the demands of this religion.

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Funnily enough, Dawny would be front and centre when red skies sweep across everywhere is a couple of months. It would have been a nice throwaway had she made a connection between the two events.


This also plays into the first issue's cover title, "Red Dawn", which I figured was just Dawnstar bleeding.

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Earlier, Jhodan mentioned that Ina’s prayers brought no manna. Now Spliff prays and Manna is delivered in a basket carried by four flying lizards. This would again suggest that Kol is able to connect directly with the world, and that it’s done through certain people. It would therefore suggest that Spliff was once one of the Core. Brainy mentions Spliff’s schizophrenia frequently. Perhaps this is a result of something Spliff has learned about Kol.


Spliff as an ex-priest is an interesting idea which I hadn't considered. Too nice and gentle for the Order?

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Rocky roads ahead, and I don’t mean that Blok gets involved (for Cramer who so enjoyed my last Blok pun )


I've unleashed a monster in the Re-Read threads!

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Her “not any more!” outburst at Dawny and Jhodan mirrors Drake’s “from now on, stay out of my way!” blow up at Nura and Jan. I think it sums up Drake’s emotional security and maturity quite well.


What a pair Ina and Wildfire would make! Sounds like the basis for a conniving rom com movie. If Drake's body was destroyed as a teenager (and possibly an emotionally immature one), perhaps his psyche was also frozen at that time so that developing emotional maturity would be difficult.
Originally Posted by Cramer
Spliff as an ex-priest is an interesting idea which I hadn't considered. Too nice and gentle for the Order?


Perhaps that gentleness is what resulted in his current state, after he was shown/discovered some of Kol's secrets as one of the Core's brightest prospects. Perhaps he followed the ideals more thatn the truths behind the Arms of Kol.

Originally Posted by Cramer
What a pair Ina and Wildfire would make! Sounds like the basis for a conniving rom com movie. If Drake's body was destroyed as a teenager (and possibly an emotionally immature one), perhaps his psyche was also frozen at that time so that developing emotional maturity would be difficult.


In his return to the Legion after "sacrificing" himself as ERG-1, Drake looked to possess one of the living. Flight rings contained something that prevented him targeting a Legionnaire, but he was seemingly able to try to do it to anyone else. Not only does Ina not wear a flight ring, but she's begun training to be a Vessel of Kol. I could see them having to inhabit the same body or have a Raymond/Stein / Captain Triumph / Randall and Hopkirk sort of relationship, but with much more bickering.
Tales 322

The cover introduces us to the newest Legionnaire . . . Dark Dawnstar!

I can’t help feeling that the cover plays on the riff of Jean Grey: the beloved female superhero who was given too much power and turned evil. If that’s not a trope, it should be one. The cover grabs my attention and makes me curious as to what happens inside. Too bad it’s based on a lie, or at least a gross distortion of what really happens.

By this time, of course, it was common knowledge that Marvel and DC used covers to entice readers by overdramatizing or outright misrepresenting stories. And, as fans, we accepted this because it was Marvel and DC, like a god who can do no wrong. Besides, we fans were smarter than that. We knew what was really going on, and we just played along. We would have bought the Legion if photos of Ronald Reagan had graced the cover in his underwear.

Today the cover feels like a cheat, which it is. And that’s a shame because I feel my intelligence as a reader isn’t being respected. Why not show Dawny leaning distraught over the man she’s inadvertently killed, if it’s necessary to spoil the spoiler at all?

All these reactions, and I haven’t even got to the story yet.

I, too, thought I’d missed an issue. The story begins with a new character, the Reverend Mother, delivering a long-winded monologue that vaguely hints of Jhodan now being regarded as a heretic for running off with Dawnstar. But wait, how did the Reverend Mother know this, and is that what Jhodan really did? The last issue ended only with Jhodan taking Dawnstar under his care. There was no indication that anyone (other than the jealous Ina) regarded him as doing something wrong.

Word travels fast on Jhodan’s world, and in mysterious ways.

Perhaps we’re meant to wonder how the Reverend Mother knows what’s happening—just as we’re meant to wonder why Dawny and Jhodan fell so fast for each other. Perhaps some sort of telepathic influence is going on in this world. But I’m reminded of Alfred Hitchcock’s admonition that a story teller never lies or withholds information from the audience. The characters may not know there’s a bomb under the chair and that it will go off in five seconds, but the audience should know this.

As a reader, I feel crucial information is being withheld from me—information that would not only help me enjoy the story but understand it.

Contrast this cold opening with Brainy’s actions later in the story. When Brainy encounters Spliff’s village, they fear him because he’s green. But when a local animal takes a liking to Brainy, they figure he’s all right. It’s a strange scene, but we accept it because we’re right there with Brainy in regarding it as strange. If he finds it odd, we do, too. He’s our viewpoint character—something lacking from the opening scene.

In fact, it’s through Brainy that we come to appreciate just how bizarre this world is. Spliff prays and winged creatures deliver food. The villagers ignore Brainy once they accept him. Wandering the village, Brainy discovers an altar made of materials too advanced for this culture and—the biggest surprise of all—three computer reels underneath the altar.

There are many mysteries afoot here, but only some of them are delivered in a comprehensible manner. Newell seems to have made a common mistake of novice writers: She knows so much about the world she’s created that she forgets readers don’t already know this, as well. This is why we need Brainy (and, to a lesser extent, Dawnstar) to make sense of things for us.

As for Dawny, she does what all good captives do and tries to escape. It goes badly for her. However, she gets a second chance when the Reverend Mother’s forces beset Jhodan. I like this portrayal of Dawny as someone who initially takes advantage of the confusion to escape and only then goes back to help the man who helped her. We’re used to Legionnaires always doing the right thing. It’s refreshing to see one struggle with her choices.

The running subplot, of course, is that Dawny and Jhodan are besotted with each other, but I find this less interesting than the reaction it provokes from Ina—who finally breaks with her teacher. Ina had better turn out to be a major thorn in Jhodan’s and Dawny’s sides; otherwise, all this build-up will have been for nothing.

This issue advances the storyline in several very intriguing ways—and it comes full circle when Brainy and Dawny are reunited at the end (which leaves us with another tantalizing mystery of why the villagers bow down to Jhodan and/or Dawny). The focus on just two Legionnaires is both refreshing and irritating (insofar as Brainy’s constant internal monologue goes). And the mystery over how Jhodan’s world is connected to earth (Blue Devil?!) makes me eagerly anticipate the next issue—something I couldn’t say for any part of the LSV War.

As for subplots, I feel sorry for Thom. Last issue, he came across as somewhat selfish in wanting to spirit Nura away for a vacation while she was struggling to hold the team together. This time she’s no longer in charge and he makes another attempt—an expensive one, I imagine—to take her out. She again cuts him down, accusing him of being both immature and selfish. In truth, it is she who is being selfish—complaining about her hygiene needs and belittling a man who has gone to so much effort to show her a good time.

Nura and Drake are made for each other. In an untold alt-universe story, Dawny runs off with Jhodan while Nura marries Drake. They can spend their years arguing over who is most vain without ever having to get intimate.

Dev-Em’s inclusion is for Legion completists. Levitz, like all good fans, doesn’t like to throw away an obscure character, so he gives Dev a mission and reminds us of his brief connection with Shvaughn. Reading this now, I find I don’t care enough about Dev to wonder where this is going.

The Tales run of original stories rapidly approaches its end and does so with high quality stories and risk taking, even if the delivery comes across as somewhat shaky.
Originally Posted by FC
We learn a bit more about the planet's culture, mostly the degree to which its harsh religion rules the people; there's not much revealed about any particular beliefs beyond obedience to Kol.


It is indeed a harsh depiction of religion, which was very much common at the time. It suits the needs of the story, though, and Jhodan's world is in a sort of dark/middle ages, in which fear and intolerance rule and any hint of dissent is swiftly punished. It makes a nice backdrop to reveal Dawny's and Jhodan's characters and the mystery Brainy discovers.

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The manna suggests nourishment for a wandering tribe, seeking a promised land - but everyone here is settled. Possibly it appears in response to some prayer or chant in the wilderness; the children in town seem delighted to see it when Spliff arrives with some.


Good point about the people being settled yet still relying on "manna from heaven." It does appear that the winged creatures brought food in response to prayer--food in a basket, no less!

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I seem to be missing something in the story: Brainy understands the speech of Spliff and the townspeople, while Dawnstar can make out no more than Jhodan's name. Does he have a better grasp of languages or are Spliff and the villagers speaking a recognizable dialect?


Good question. I read it that Brainy recognized the dialect and, with his computer mind, possesses some understanding of it, while to Dawnstar it is completely foreign.

However, it would be realistic in earth terms if Spliff's village spoke a different dialect or even language than the ruling religious class.

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. . . Nura snaps at Thom. It doesn't look like any sort of permanent rift at this point, but she's the one moving away from him. She could be starting to contemplate her future as Naltor's High Seer (not sure if this is a given at this point) and appreciating the responsibilities she will have to bear; she's certainly had a good taste of leadership with the Legion.


Another possibility is that she's upset with him for not backing her during the Legion meeting in Baxter # 9. Nura remains something of a cipher--out of touch with her own emotions, perhaps, and preferring to focus on things she can control: her hygiene, her hair, etc.

Originally Posted by thoth
Behind the Reverend mother, we get a mix of technology and stonework, hinting again at the ship based origin for the Core. I wondered if there was any significance to the Reverend Mothers staff of office. If there is, I can’t think of it (unless it’s a converted Blue Devil trident of course). She later refers to it as The Crystal of Kol.


Good eye for detail! (I hadn't even noticed Blue Devil until you pointed him out.) There also appears to be a row of "computer reels" similar to the ones Brainy later discovers.

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As to why Jhodan has suddenly run afoul of Kol, Dawny indicates that the two of them were intimate between last issue and this. After we saw them close to an embrace at the end of 321 Dawny says “last night, I felt I had known him forever” and “last night is gone.”


Interesting interpretation. I thought Dawny's comments only referred to her feelings toward Jhodan when they first met.

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Ina refers to Dawny as “it” while she’s a “she” to Jhodan.


Wonderful bit of dialogue here.
Originally Posted by HWW
Perhaps we’re meant to wonder how the Reverend Mother knows what’s happening—just as we’re meant to wonder why Dawny and Jhodan fell so fast for each other. Perhaps some sort of telepathic influence is going on in this world. But I’m reminded of Alfred Hitchcock’s admonition that a story teller never lies or withholds information from the audience. The characters may not know there’s a bomb under the chair and that it will go off in five seconds, but the audience should know this.

As a reader, I feel crucial information is being withheld from me—information that would not only help me enjoy the story but understand it.


The question comes to mind of how much the reader has to be shown. We should be able to fill in some blanks, but need some indication of the connections. In mystery stories, you may only find out at the end what happened, but the logical clues were (or should have been) there all along for the reader to piece together. The crucial information which was absent in this story would have made for a much smoother read had it been included. I don't think it would have taken much in the way of dialogue to point us in the right direction. If all is explained in the next issue, that will be something of a cheat.

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Nura and Drake are made for each other. In an untold alt-universe story, Dawny runs off with Jhodan while Nura marries Drake. They can spend their years arguing over who is most vain without ever having to get intimate.


Hah! But you might be onto something there - like the marriage of two spoiled, self-centered celebrities. At least Dawny and Jhodan would be happy. Wildfire is able to inhabit the body of others (on occasion), so one wonders if some compromise couldn't have been worked out. I'm not sure to what degree Jhodan and Wildfire have the same personality. They're both rather demanding and arrogant.
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Originally Posted by HWW
Word travels fast on Jhodan’s world, and in mysterious ways.


And the followers of Kol went out unto the world, spreading the Word of Kol with haste, as they liked a good gossip.

Originally Posted by HWW
As a reader, I feel crucial information is being withheld from me—information that would not only help me enjoy the story but understand it. … Newell seems to have made a common mistake of novice writers: She knows so much about the world she’s created that she forgets readers don’t already know this, as well. This is why we need Brainy (and, to a lesser extent, Dawnstar) to make sense of things for us.


A bit like Cramer, I was holding off until next issue in case everything ties up nicely. I wish it was only novice writers that fell into this one. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
I like this portrayal of Dawny as someone who initially takes advantage of the confusion to escape and only then goes back to help the man who helped her. We’re used to Legionnaires always doing the right thing. It’s refreshing to see one struggle with her choices.


That’s an interesting spot. Dawny comes from a professional background, before she entered the Legion Academy. Being a bronze age recruit may also give her a slightly less earnest approach. It’s good to see the writers make each member stand out.

Originally Posted by HWW
Ina had better turn out to be a major thorn in Jhodan’s and Dawny’s sides; otherwise, all this build-up will have been for nothing.


She better get her act together, or she’ll be Ina lot of trouble! smile

Originally Posted by HWW
…and it comes full circle when Brainy and Dawny are reunited at the end (which leaves us with another tantalizing mystery of why the villagers bow down to Jhodan and/or Dawny).


As they bowed to Jhodan at the start, I took it to be the same here.

Originally Posted by HWW
Nura and Drake are made for each other. In an untold alt-universe story, Dawny runs off with Jhodan while Nura marries Drake. They can spend their years arguing over who is most vain without ever having to get intimate.


And Nura can always use Drake’s visor to see her reflection! A definite Lost Legion tale. What a leadership team they’d make!

Originally Posted by HWW
The Tales run of original stories rapidly approaches its end and does so with high quality stories and risk taking, even if the delivery comes across as somewhat shaky.


I’m going to miss the Tales. I’ve been enjoying them more than the Baxter one.

Originally Posted by HWW
It is indeed a harsh depiction of religion, which was very much common at the time.


Do you mean that religions were depicted harshly at the time this was written or that it’s a depiction of feudal life under a harsh religion of medieval times?

Originally Posted by HWW
Originally Posted by cramer


The manna suggests nourishment for a wandering tribe, seeking a promised land - but everyone here is settled. Possibly it appears in response to some prayer or chant in the wilderness; the children in town seem delighted to see it when Spliff arrives with some.


Good point about the people being settled yet still relying on "manna from heaven." It does appear that the winged creatures brought food in response to prayer--food in a basket, no less!


As we have hungry, desperate tribesmen at the start, yet manna from heaven, I wonder just how much of the suffering is controlled by Kol. A populace forced into subservience through hunger/fear may suit it and its followers’ purposes.


Originally Posted by HWW
Originally Posted by cramer
Good question. I read it that Brainy recognized the dialect and, with his computer mind, possesses some understanding of it, while to Dawnstar it is completely foreign.


However, it would be realistic in earth terms if Spliff's village spoke a different dialect or even language than the ruling religious class.


I was thinking that Brainy’s recognition comes form the time he spent with Superboy back in the Adventure days. For someone with such an interest in Time Travel and trips to that era, it seems logical that he’d learn the language. Dawny went back to the 20th century during the Reflecto saga, but she didn’t interact with anyone there.

Incidentally, the Legionnaires that were walking around Smallville thought that feisty Lana Lang would make a good match for Wildfire! A Drake-Lana-Nura love triangle?!
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Originally Posted by HWW
It is indeed a harsh depiction of religion, which was very much common at the time.


Do you mean that religions were depicted harshly at the time this was written or that it’s a depiction of feudal life under a harsh religion of medieval times?


I meant the former, though I've been struggling to think of examples. smile


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I was thinking that Brainy’s recognition comes form the time he spent with Superboy back in the Adventure days. For someone with such an interest in Time Travel and trips to that era, it seems logical that he’d learn the language. Dawny went back to the 20th century during the Reflecto saga, but she didn’t interact with anyone there.


Good point about Brainy visiting Smallville. I think it's been established that the Legionnaires' earplugs act as universal translators (which, like other technology, probably wouldn't work on Jhodan's world), but it makes sense that Brainy would study the languages of places and times he visits. The last time I recall him visiting the 20th century was in issue 198, when he and Element Lad interviewed witnesses of Superboy's encounter with the Persuader and Emerald Empress. It might have been easier to conduct interviews by speaking the actual language rather than relying on a translator.

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Incidentally, the Legionnaires that were walking around Smallville thought that feisty Lana Lang would make a good match for Wildfire! A Drake-Lana-Nura love triangle?!


The Legion missed a great business opportunity by not starting a matchmaking service for disembodied blobs of energy.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth lad

Originally Posted by HWW
It is indeed a harsh depiction of religion, which was very much common at the time.


Do you mean that religions were depicted harshly at the time this was written or that it&#146;s a depiction of feudal life under a harsh religion of medieval times?


I meant the former, though I've been struggling to think of examples. smile


Definitely a differing mileage on "harshly" smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Originally Posted by thoth
Incidentally, the Legionnaires that were walking around Smallville thought that feisty Lana Lang would make a good match for Wildfire! A Drake-Lana-Nura love triangle?!


The Legion missed a great business opportunity by not starting a matchmaking service for disembodied blobs of energy.


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Originally Posted by thoh
Definitely a differing mileage on "harshly" smile


I'm not sure what you mean. Religion is always a contentious subject, and it's easy to depict its followers as narrow-minded, unyielding, and dogmatic (which many of them are). However, religions have also provided people with a framework for understanding their world and behaving appropriately towards one another. Many followers of Jesus Christ, for example, look to him as a role model for how to conduct themselves in the world (helping the poor, healing the sick, welcoming people who are less than perfect). Religion, like any other human institution, is a mixture of good and bad. Like politics and business, it is used to control people and keep the powerful in power. Also like those institutions, much good comes from religion (building hospitals, fellowship among people who previously felt lost, etc.).

The depiction of religion on Jhodan's world is very much on the harsh side from what we've seen. The ruling class dominates the peasants, and transgressions are swiftly punished. Yet this is counterbalanced by the depiction of Spliff and his village. When Spliff prays, food is delivered ("ask and ye shall receive"). The villagers seem happy if eccentric and are not terribly bothered by a strange-looking foreigner in their midst. How they receive Brainy stands in sharp contrast to how the Septi received Dawny. Could it be that some of Kol's followers are not as intolerant as others?

Perhaps this is meant to be a balanced depiction of a primitive culture dominated by religion. It reminds me of the even-handed manner in which Star Trek and Babylon 5 often dealt with religious themes.
Thoth's reflections on the other comics he was reading at the time reminded me that I used to keep my own "Top 40" chart for comics. I rated issues in terms of story and art quality (or how I understood quality in those days). I read about 30 titles a month and they were overwhelmingly Marvel and DC. (I had just starting to make forays into other publishers.)

Here is my Top 25 (plus two) of January 15, 1985:

1. New Teen Titans # 7 -- DC
2. America Vs. Justice Society # 4 -- DC
3. Star Trek # 13 -- DC
4. Legion of Super-Heroes # 9 -- DC
5. Jonni Thunder, A.K.A. Thunderbolt # 2 -- DC
6. All-Star Squadron # 44 -- DC
7. Elementals # 3 -- Comico
8. Batman & The Outsiders # 19 -- DC
9. Badger # 5 -- First
10. Dreadstar # 17 -- Marvel/Epic

11. Nexus # 8 -- First
12. Avengers # 254 -- Marvel
13. Captain America # 305 -- Marvel
14. Iron Man # 193 -- Marvel
15. Infinity Inc. # 13 -- DC
16. Power Man & Iron Fist # 116 -- Marvel
17. Amazing Spider-Man # 264 -- Marvel
18. Dalgoda # 3 -- Fantagraphics
19. Fantastic Four # 277 -- Marvel
20. Secret Wars # 12 -- Marvel

21. Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes # 322 -- DC
22. American Flagg! # 19 -- First
23. Marvel Tales # 174 -- Marvel
24. Blue Devil # 11 -- DC
25. Green Lantern # 187 -- DC
26. Thor # 354 -- Marvel
27. Flash # 344 -- DC

So, I thought highly of LSH 9 even then, but was less fond of Tales 322 (my current opinion is reversed). DC was clearly on a roll in those days, as their titles dominate the Top 10. I was less enthused by Marvel's offerings; hence, they are grouped in the middle.

One of my standout memories from this chart is Dalgoda, an off-the-wall science fiction series about a dog-like alien who interacts with humans. ("Dalgoda" spelled backwards is "a dog lad.")
I agree it can be contentious, he typed ploughing on regardless smile I’d like to run with your point on “Jhodan's world is very much on the harsh side from what we've seen” I’d suggest that alongside any harshness in the writing about Kol, we have also an idealistic perspective of religion. Unity has been achieved from many faiths, with all still having a place in current practices. There is a priesthood that actively rejects corruption in effectively upholding the religious and secular values of a society where there’s no separation of church and state. Finally, there actually is a higher power at work on Kol.

The people on the ship that crashed/ landed on Kol (it seems that this is what happened) look to have come from a wide range of religious and racial backgrounds. Centuries later, their descendants use language and practices from each of those religions and there’s multi-racial representation (well, it’s still an ‘80s comic book, but it’s there). Somewhere along the way, a single religion was formed, uniting all of the others. Each of our religions espouses peace, so that unity on Kol could be seen as a great achievement. There’s unity across the planet.

A more realistic view of our religions suggests that, instead of peace, they have engaged in every atrocity possible. So even if that was carried out on Kol, it couldn’t be any worse that what we’ve seen here. That there was a united outcome is to their credit.

The Arms of Kol live an ascetic life. Their temples are the largest buildings around, but this is partly because they’re formed from the starship that brought them to the planet. The Arms of Kol, or the Core, are rigorous in their self-discipline and, importantly, self-awareness. We see a lesson that self-indulgence is not a thing that is looked upon kindly, indicating an order that acts in service to Kol rather than in the advancement/desires of any individual. “The Core holds no special privileges, we are his vessels, nothing more.”

As you point out, HWW, every human institution contains plenty of people who would act only in their own interest. It only varies in the degree to which the organisation involved is content to support it. On Kol, as the Core are also enforcers (no separation of church and state here), so the rigorous enforcement is even more important.

The lesson of the local person giving the bowl of flowers is a good example.

At first glance, it looks as though Jhodan is being harsh when he throws their gift of flowers to the ground. But we’re shown the lesson through Ina’s reaction. All the people of Kol have duties to perform. That applies just as much to the Core. By not performing them adequately, the locals try to gain favour by providing a gift to The Core.

While the people of Kol bow before its priests, it shouldn’t be mistaken for them bowing to those priests. They are worshipping Kol. Jhodan’s lessons to Ina are quite clear. There’s “The Core holds no special privileges, we are his vessels, nothing more” again.

It’s essentially a bribe to curry a more favourable outcome. Ina would have accepted the gift, and that fundamentally changes the relationship between her duties as an Arm of Kol and everyone else. If that happens, the system begins to fall apart, with some being treated differently to others. Jhodan knows this and strongly reminds Ina of these principles. Jhodan is not punishing the locals. He enforces no punishment to them. He’s telling them, and Ina, of their responsibilities and that that those duties cannot be bought out of.

That the system has survived as long as it has without obvious corruption, is an ideal that we’ve not come close to.

The continuation of The Core’s practices without obvious signs of corruption is all the more remarkable as their god really is at work there. The Core are no group of charlatans peddling absolutions and salvations, while waving sacred relics of starship parts. Their direct observance of their beliefs brings tangible returns, such as in the delivery of manna.

The idea that there are direct rewards available, adds another layer to the incident with the villagers and the bowl of fruit. If The Core can be bribed, or otherwise look favourably on a place, then that town may really do better, possibly to the detriment of others. More manna, more rain etc.

Having a deity tangibly at work is a pretty idealistic outcome of any belief system. That it’s not descended into disaster due to the vessels of that god is quite something. Perhaps it’s the knowledge of a direct god that keeps everyone, including the Core, in check. Never mind flammable shrubs to help deliver messages. On Kol, as Ina is discovering, there will be no manna if your mind has darker motives. And there’s no hiding that, which puts it above anything we’ve got.

Kol has all sorts of variety in its people. We’ve seen fanatical tribesmen, overly penitent villagers and others who are much more relaxed in their lives. We’ve seen Core members who are questioning, others who follow without a thought and initiates of have a lot to learn. There’s hatred of “the other” and “the heretic” which we know about only too well. But Jhodan and some of the Core show that there’s hope there too.

It’s a world where technology has not reached the levels of other parts of the UP. But it would be doing the locals a disservice to think of them as backwards. If anything, I think the austerity brings the religious overtones of the story more into focus.

It may well turn out that its Awian plugging herself into the cryogenic chamber of the starship’s captain for advice and using the ship’s systems to enforce those instructions. But that’s not to say that there aren’t things there that our world couldn’t learn from.
Very well put, thoth. You made me consider things from a new perspective.

You're right that the rejection of a gift is not a punishment. Jhodan's reason for rejecting the give makes perfect sense.

Your post gives me new respect for Newell, who must have been aware of these ideas (or at least a very good observer of such cultures) when she wrote the story. The idea of the planet being a very successful and long-lasting integration of church and state went right over my head.
Loved seeing your Top 40 HWW! Hopefully there will be more of those? You were getting quite a lot of what were considered to be the top Indies.

I've never read Badger, but the art always looked good. Likewise for Nexus, which I have only one or two of, if that. I know of Dalgoda mainly through the ads I've seen in Amazing Heroes back issues. No surprise since it was the same publisher. I've picked up some of the Elementals and American Flaggs over the years. I think the first one I picked up was post Chaykin, but the earlier ones are better. With All-Star Squadron, America vs JSA, Jonni Thunder and Infinity Inc, Earth 2 was well represented. When I got the other issues of America vs JSA, it was fairly verbose. Infinity Inc struck me the same way. But they were packed with comic book history, which was a gold mine to a newer reader. It's no surprise that The Flash was hanging in there, with the trail still going on. Had you been reading the JLA?

1. New Teen Titans # 7 -- DC
2. America Vs. Justice Society # 4 -- DC
3. Star Trek # 13 -- DC
4. Legion of Super-Heroes # 9 -- DC
5. Jonni Thunder, A.K.A. Thunderbolt # 2 -- DC
6. All-Star Squadron # 44 -- DC
7. Elementals # 3 -- Comico
8. Batman & The Outsiders # 19 -- DC
9. Badger # 5 -- First
10. Dreadstar # 17 -- Marvel/Epic

11. Nexus # 8 -- First
12. Avengers # 254 -- Marvel
13. Captain America # 305 -- Marvel
14. Iron Man # 19 -- Marvel
15. Infinity Inc. # 13 -- DC
16. Power Man & Iron Fist # 116 -- Marvel
17. Amazing Spider-Man # 264 -- Marvel
18. Dalgoda # 3 -- Fantagraphics
19. Fantastic Four # 277 -- Marvel
20. Secret Wars # 12 -- Marvel

21. Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes # 322 -- DC
22. American Flagg! # 19 -- First
23. Marvel Tales # 174 -- Marvel
24. Blue Devil # 11 -- DC
25. Green Lantern # 187 -- DC
26. Thor # 354 -- Marvel
27. Flash # 344 -- DC
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Loved seeing your Top 40 HWW! Hopefully there will be more of those?


Thanks.

As they say, there's more where that came from. smile

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I've never read Badger, but the art always looked good.


The Badger was about a hero who was mentally ill, which made me uncertain how I was supposed to respond to the character: with pity, with laughter, etc.? In hindsight, I wish I had given it and some of the others (esp. American Flagg!) more of a chance--but they were so different from the mainstream super-hero diet I had fed myself for a dozen years that I didn't know how to take them. Had I read these after college and literature courses, I might have appreciated the incredible diversity, experimentation, and points of view available in the '80s.

The one indie on this list I kept up with was Nexus, which at least had the outer trappings of a super-hero (plus an off-the-wall science fiction setting and irresistible supporting characters like Sundra, Judah Maccabee, and Tyrone). Nexus # 8, I believe, even guest-starred The Badger. (Both series were written by Mike Baron.)

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When I got the other issues of America vs JSA, it was fairly verbose. Infinity Inc struck me the same way. But they were packed with comic book history, which was a gold mine to a newer reader.


Agreed. Roy Thomas was a very verbose writer, but his JSA, All-Star Squadron, and Infinity Inc. were a universe unto themselves in terms of continuity and history. In fact, they were almost the opposite of the Legion as they were set in or tied to the past yet had complex, interweaving stories featuring large casts of characters.

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Had you been reading the JLA?


Yes. In fact, there are quite a few titles absent from this list because the next issues hadn't been published in time for my "deadline." According to my list on the back of the chart, I was waiting on Crisis on Infinite Earths # 2, Fury of Firestorm # 35, JLA # 238, Superman: The Secret Years # 4, Tales of the New Teen Titans # 53, Iceman # 4, New Defenders # 142, and Wally Wood's T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents # 2.

LSH #10 Election Day by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Larry Mahlstedt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Sun Boy, Wildfire and Invisible Kid protect the three candidates chosen by computer to run for Earthgov President: a man from Mexico, a wealthy man from India and a young woman student from China. A Khund warrior attacks each one and is defeated by the Legionnaire. In the fight, Invisible Kid suddenly and unwittingly teleports himself and the Khund into outer space, killing the Khund, who does not have a transsuit.

Above Earth, Element Lad, Dream Girl, Blok, Star Boy and Chameleon Boy join SP ships to watch for a possible Khund invasion - and engage in some debate and bickering. They pick up Invisible Kid after his teleportation disaster.

In Tokyo, Timber Wolf contemplates Karate Kid's will, which will leave him a share of the Orando's credits left behind when Projectra took the planet into another dimension - after he performs some very dangerous task. Karate Kid's Sensei offers to accompany him.

On a vacation asteroid, Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl discuss returning to the Legion and the joys of parenthood.

Cosmic Boy announces that he plans to take an extended vacation with Night Girl on Kathoon and hints at making several changes in his life.

Colossal Boy and Yera enjoy an evening with his parents, when another Khund bursts in to murder Marte Allon. Colossal Boy fights him off, but passes out from his injuries.

Mojai Desai celebrates his election to President and is congratulated by a shifty looking character named Vid Gupta.

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Two things really stand out in this issue: Jacques causing the death of a Khund assassin through an uncontrolled new power and the promise of trouble to come with Vid Gupta.

Vid Gupta is a classic cliffhanger; we learn just enough about him to know that he's got evil plans. That glint in his eye made me think momentarily of Computo (like the sparks around Danielle Foccart as she left Legion HQ), although I know how the story turns out. Computo will eventually take over a Presidential Assistant in DnA, but for now, he could be a Khund agent. Another candidate that might come to mind is the guy who has a history of meddling with the Presidency, Universo. I doubt that I put the pieces together when I first read this story, however.

The Legion has been flirting with the killing question and here we have a clear case of a member directly causing a death. Jacques wasn't in control of this new power; although he had no intention of killing the Khund, it's questionable (in hindsight) if he should be an active member until he fully understands his power set. He's admitted previously that he doesn't understand or know all he can do. While I groan a bit at yet another new power, the situation presents very interesting practical and ethical questions (which I don't believe the Legion really address in future issues). Legionnaires are fretting over potential new members' inexperience and here's a full member who's a wild card.

We learn why Val was so rich, but not whether he shared half the spoils of Orando's wealth with Jeckie, or was just accorded a portion of it. His dangerous mission is still unspecified, so that keeps us interested, although it threatens to veer into cliché territory with the wise old teacher joining the quest.

The status of the three founders continues to be uncertain. I find this is dragging on a bit long, especially for Rokk, who is indeed a tease regarding his future plans. The case of Garth and Imra is far more understandable, torn between the desire to serve in the Legion versus devoting time to their child.

The Earthgov election process has been seen before, when Marte Allon was elected. It's refreshing to see a diversity of characters proposed for the Presidency and a ridiculously short campaign period, although the idea of a computer choosing them in this current age of A.I. (not to mention Computo running around, acting wacky) is worrisome.

The way our world has gone global, I wonder how much ethnic difference will remain in 1000 years but the Legion comic up to this period presented distinctions between Earth's races and societies. It seems a bit quaint now.

The fight scenes between the Legionnaires and the Khund assassins are well done and reflect the personalities of each Legionnaire but are personally of less interest than the promise of troubles to come
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The cover is overly busy. The Khund and the poster work. But then we have three Legionnaires in close, mid and long shot added. A space scape and a Legion cruiser are needlessly put in too. Only the first part works.

But the cover does introduce two of the Earth president candidates to replace Marte Allon. So, seeing one of them on the first page isn’t a mystery. The opening scene where Dirk stops a Khund assassin is supposed to inform the reader of an assassination plot while having a light tonal touch. The Khund is no match for Dirk who electrocutes him in the candidates off bedroom pool. The guy looks charred, but the incoming Science police look to prevent yet another violation of the Legion code against killing. There is the question of how the Khund got as close to the candidate’s bed as that, and why he didn’t just take a pot shot at him while engaging Dirk. The answer is simply that it enable Levitz to get everyone in the one room to move the plot along.

The plot is that Earth selects its candidates by computer. They are then given a day to campaign before the vote takes place. A Khundian terror team has targeted the candidates, and some see it as a diversion form an invasion. There’s no mention of who created the programme. Nor is the Khundian actions seen as an act of war. It’s as if it’s just the sort of thing the UP has to put up with. It does lack even the flimsiest deniability.

Blok acts as everyman to get most of this explained. Behind him Dreamy makes a snide remark and Element Lad calls her on it. Perhaps this comes from her last encounter with Thom, when she was thinking about how important the Legion was. Just an issue ago, the two seemed fine, but there is tension there.

Jacques stops the second attempt. He seems an odd choice to stop a cyborg Khundian assassin. It turns out that his invisibility power doesn’t work against Khundian optics either. If that applies to a lot of systems, then a sci fi world could be a problem for his effectiveness. It seems he’s there to push his own subplot further forward. With the Lyle Norg subplot out of the way, Jacques opens another portal to an unknown realm. No dream demon pops out, which must be a relief. The Khund isn’t interested and moves in for the kill. Unfortunately for him, Jacques warping abilities activate when he’s threatened to a certain level (but after Darkseid – actually I wonder if there could be a connection between them activating and the Boom Tube technology he went through in GDS). Jacques teleports him into space, killing him.

With Dawny killing someone in Tales, and Jacques here, it looks as though it’s going to be a busy time for Legion trials – Judge Kallor presiding.

We don’t learn much about surprised candidate one. Candidate two, Leung, has written a paper on streamlining government. That makes me wonder just how much bureaucratic fat there is in the UP. How do they all feel about a computer using a paper to point it out to them? The third candidate Mojai Desai is much more confident. His family have been leaders since the time of caste (see also The Dominion) He seems to be in a position of some power already that enables him to bestow wealth and comfort. That makes me think about Leung’s paper again.

Wildfire is the Legionnaire who stops this assassin. For a moment it looks as though he’s going to have problems when he’s attacked by a plasma weapon. But he absorbs it and defeats his foe at the cost of much of Desai’s home. Wildfire does nothing to ingratiate himself to Desai’s family, putting his feet on their table during a meal, and ignoring their conversation. He’s not exactly a good will ambassador for the team. But what do such things mean to Drake? He doesn’t eat, as he’s been trying to tell their serving droid. What family connections does he have now? E only has the Legion and he’s been waiting for a battle with the Khunds. No little part of this is wrapped up in his ego, which took a battering the last time he faced a Khund. There’s a lot to learn about Drake in this scene. The Lightle visual of his suit having absorbed the energy is a favourite.

Elsewhere, Garth and Imra who are enjoying being parents (did one of the creative team have a kid around this time?) , but also considering their place as Legionnaires. They’ve spoken with each other, with the other founder Cosmic Boy, and with Brande. Cosmic Boy also takes the successful resolution of the Khund attacks to announce his leave of absence. We get another nice little reminder of Shady and Lar’s Talok adventure (keep linking those books), as Cos tells the others that “it’s the beginning of several changes in my life that will make sense.” Despite one of those things being a need to “shake them up—to change things around here” and that he’s been going on about new members for ages, he tells Cham that the search for members isn’t one of the reasons for his LOA. Right Cos. As we’ll “find out in due course” some of the behind the scenes things for Cos wouldn’t quite work out as intended.

Cos is leaving a little early. Although their lost team mates returned, Brin immediately took LOA and now Cos is going. Later, Gim is injured. As the team were previously exhausted, there’s not a huge difference form how things were.

Lightle showing us groups on either side of the holo-call was a very nice touch.

There’s a sting in the Khundian plot. With the Legion called back form a potential invasion and the three candidates protected, the Khunds strike at the outgoing president, Marte Allon. Fortunately, Gim is there. His powers are neutralised in a way that makes you wonder why the Khunds aren’t better at destroying Legionnaires. But Gim is more than his powers and his sheer strength of will is enough to defeat the Khund. He’s shot in the shoulder by the villain’s multi-setting blaster. Gim remains a bit of a target no matter what size he takes. That Adult Legion story still echoes around. While it would have detracted a bit from a very strong scene for Gim, it could have also provided Yera with an opportunity to show her skills.

Desai’s confidence was well founded and he’s duly declared the election winner. At his side is vid-gupta, with a villainous (and distinctive) twinkle in his eye. Vid-Gupta (clue in the name) is known to Desai. Considering the plans Vid-Gupta has, I’m reminded again that no one asks who programmes the election computer. I doubt vid-gupta would have shown up at the side of the other two candidates. That means the computer has been tampered with. How long has that been going on and how often will it happen again, are questions could be a long time in being answered.

His comment about never having been referred to as “too kind” before is a bit on the nose. Normally, that would result in further questions. But it’s a finale here, to show just how villainous he must be.

There’s an interesting exchange between TInya and Vi. Vi is focused on the power, guts and immediate threat of the Khunds. It reflects the approach she’s taken since her return. Tinya has a broader view, pointing out that while the Khund failed their actions certainly drew a lot of effort from the UP.

Continuing the Orando plotline, Brin meets Karate Kid’s teacher, and we find out that Brin has inherited billions from Karate Kid, as his heir, Projectra has moved the planet elsewhere. There seems to be plenty of danger in fulfilling the terms of the request. But Brin is prepared to do it. It’s good to see him sense the approach of Sensei, and also to move away from the sometimes moping, sometimes comedy duo with Blok routine. Points to Levitz for not just settling in on one view of a character, which is all too easy to do.

This issue actually turns out to be another chapter in a wider plot that started when Marte Allon announced her resignation. The Khunds are useful distractions to put some of the pieces on the board. Considering the tension Levitz raised between the UP and the Khunds in Omen/Prophet, it would have been nice to have seen some repercussions following their actions here. That there weren’t any, is another sign that they were there for other reasons.

Despite the dangers they face, there are plenty of lighter moments. Dirk with other things on his mind while protecting his candidate and the reaction of Leung’s family, and Tinya’s reaction to Cos.

The subplots are particularly strong in this issue: A possible violation of the Legion code, Brin’s dangerous task and the founders possibly stepping back, with Cos actually taking an action towards it. All help support the main plot, which is neatly segmented and marked as part of a larger story to come. Similar in structure to a lot of the issues we’ve seen, but just a bit more engaging than the Controller story.
Originally Posted by Cramer
I doubt that I put the pieces together when I first read this story, however.


I might have seen Universo on a cover by the time the newsstand version of this came round, but I’d not have known the background. Occasionally Who’s Who would give a clue, but “U” is still a ways off in that title. On the plus side, everything I’m reading in the Legion at this time is fresh, as I’m being introduced to everyone. The stories have to stand on their own two feet, but don’t compare between a villains’ appearances.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The Legion has been flirting with the killing question and here we have a clear case of a member directly causing a death. Jacques wasn't in control of this new power; although he had no intention of killing the Khund, it's questionable (in hindsight) if he should be an active member until he fully understands his power set. He's admitted previously that he doesn't understand or know all he can do.


I agree completely. The Legion have rejected plenty of applicants who can’t control their power. Imagine if Jacques was in an Adventure tryout. The invisibility would be fine, but when hordes of tentacles came out of the portal Jacques had just summoned, Dirk would be on his feet and saying “Rejected!” in no time. There have been hints up unto now. So it’s negligent that these had not been investigated. What if it was Element Lad’s transmutation powers malfunctioning, or Wildfire irradiating a street every now and again. They would be isolated until it was solved.

Originally Posted by Cramer
While I groan a bit at yet another new power, the situation presents very interesting practical and ethical questions (which I don't believe the Legion really address in future issues). Legionnaires are fretting over potential new members' inexperience and here's a full member who's a wild card.


Jacques has often been a Legionnaire I’ve had problems seeing fit into the missions we see. He did well in the recent espionage mission. His gimmick is often to push plots forward. But that’s a writing device rather than a character finding a real role within a team. I don’t think it was until v4 that I thought he had a skillset.

Originally Posted by Cramer
We learn why Val was so rich, but not whether he shared half the spoils of Orando's wealth with Jeckie, or was just accorded a portion of it. His dangerous mission is still unspecified, so that keeps us interested, although it threatens to veer into cliché territory with the wise old teacher joining the quest.


A wise old teacher with a name that handily matches his function. I can’t wait for The Doctor and The Engineer to pop up form the Authority. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
The status of the three founders continues to be uncertain. I find this is dragging on a bit long, especially for Rokk, who is indeed a tease regarding his future plans. The case of Garth and Imra is far more understandable, torn between the desire to serve in the Legion versus devoting time to their child.


It just occurred to me that perhaps this is was part of the plotting session for the first year. The death of a Legionnaire in the opening arc and the removal of the founders in the closing one of the year. A membership drive opening the second. Everything in between is just pacing out the steps towards that predestined goal. It’s how a lot of books have been done since. And a lot of those plots drag on far too long. Maybe Levitz was ahead of his time, for better and worse on that one.

Perhaps I’m also underestimating what a big deal it was to have the founders transition into a new role in the team. Sure, other teams have changed members. The Fantastic Four had probably all quit for varying lengths by this point. But they’d be back. I don’t think Garth really came back this side of Zero Hour. With the Code against killing also under the spotlight and the membership drive, there is a feeling of lasting change within the book.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The Earthgov election process has been seen before, when Marte Allon was elected. It's refreshing to see a diversity of characters proposed for the Presidency and a ridiculously short campaign period, although the idea of a computer choosing them in this current age of A.I. (not to mention Computo running around, acting wacky) is worrisome.

It was really refreshing to see such a diverse group all selected for President.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The way our world has gone global, I wonder how much ethnic difference will remain in 1000 years but the Legion comic up to this period presented distinctions between Earth's races and societies. It seems a bit quaint now.


The way bronze age Legion stories would have it is that every ethnic group went to its own planet, ensuring diversity. smile What if centuries from now, babies are genetically modified to represent the ethnic cultures we have in our century, since in the future they’ve all but merged. It has both the quaint result and the sci-fi that we see in the Legion comics.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The fight scenes between the Legionnaires and the Khund assassins are well done and reflect the personalities of each Legionnaire but are personally of less interest than the promise of troubles to come


I agree. It was nice that it didn’t just focus on the winner and a straight line into the next part of the plot. Getting to see the other contenders, gave us a link to Jacques, Drake and eventually Gim subplots. Which I should have given some credit for in my comments above really smile
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I actually like the cover. It has a movie poster quality, and contains enough information to capture the various aspects of the story (which are also rather disconnected). Wildfire’s hand reaching through the Khund’s eye and unleashing a blast makes an arresting visual. Sun Boy’s flaming arc at the bottom adds a nice touch.

Oddly, the one candidate whose face is shot out in the candidates’ poster is the one who gets elected. I don’t know if this is meant to be foreshadowing, but, as I recall nothing comes of it.

It’s also odd that the Interlac word on the left-hand side of the cover reads “Vote.” Yet the candidates are all selected by computer as is the eventual winner. I’m unclear on who was voting or why it was necessary for Senor Lopyt to campaign.

1985 was not a national election year in the US, though Ronald Reagan began his second term as president shortly before this issue was published. I can’t help but wonder if this issue is meant to comment on the inefficiency and bloating of the US election process. In the Legion’s time, candidates are selected by computer, and those selected are not professional politicians (though Mojai might be). They cannot spend months or years campaigning, running media ads, and slandering the opposition. Strangely, Blok asks if humans cannot choose their leaders in a simpler manner, but that’s exactly what’s happened here. I wonder what Element Lad means by “we’ve tried.”

The concept of computers electing the president makes me think of the Electoral College and the recent debates over its validity. In the 30th century, elections have been taken even further out of the hands of the voting public. The “leveling” the Electoral College is supposed to create is taken to extremes. But, it was 1985, and we had much more faith in computers than we do now.

The story itself fails to grab me. It seems all over the place, even though there’s a consistent theme: The Legionnaires protect three candidates from Khund assassins. But that’s it. The Legionnaires are relegated to supporting characters in this story and we don’t get to spend enough time with any of the three candidates to care for them or their struggles. (Leung is the most interesting—a high school or college student who was selected because she wrote a paper on government efficiency—and who has a sister (or mother?) who playfully questions her decency. There’s so much more I wanted to know about Leung, but, alas, we are only teased about her and her life.)

A couple of plotlines are advanced—Jacques accidentally kills a Khund and may be the next Legionnaire up for court martial (after Dawnstar, of course); Rokk announces his leave of absence and hints at further changes in his life. (As a reader then, I thought he was going to propose to Lydda; I was disappointed when he didn’t.) There are several nice character moments. (One nice touch is that the Legionnaires are so highly regarded as professionals that it takes only one of them to guard each candidate.) But these are just crumbs of stories. There is no cookie.

This may be the first Legion issue in which I’ve admired the art more than the story. At best, the art and story have complemented each other for excellent narration and breathtaking visuals. More often, it’s the writing I gravitate toward, regardless of the quality of the art. But here Lightle shines (pun semi-intended). His faces are distinct and attractive. The action scenes move the story along with clear, concise images, and the mood is palpable, especially in the Brin/Sensei scene. (Kudos must also be given to Mahlstedt and colorist Gafford.) Unlike previous issues, in which Lightle seemed cramped to include so many visuals, here he has the space to stretch out and breathe. That’s one advantage of Levitz’s wafer-thin plot.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

Vid Gupta is a classic cliffhanger; we learn just enough about him to know that he's got evil plans. . . . I doubt that I put the pieces together when I first read this story, however.


This plotline built so slowly and over such a long period of time that I didn't put the pieces together, either. It's interesting to watch it unfold now, but rather anticlimactic. This sort of build up would work better in a novel or TV series, I suppose, than a monthly comic book.

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The Legion has been flirting with the killing question and here we have a clear case of a member directly causing a death. Jacques wasn't in control of this new power; although he had no intention of killing the Khund, it's questionable (in hindsight) if he should be an active member until he fully understands his power set. He's admitted previously that he doesn't understand or know all he can do. While I groan a bit at yet another new power, the situation presents very interesting practical and ethical questions (which I don't believe the Legion really address in future issues). Legionnaires are fretting over potential new members' inexperience and here's a full member who's a wild card.


Good points. One might suppose that the Legionnaires have been stretched so thin with five of their members missing that everyone just took it on faith that Jacques had it under control (even though he would be the first to admit otherwise). Collective denial and groupthink are pernicious in any organization.

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We learn why Val was so rich, but not whether he shared half the spoils of Orando's wealth with Jeckie, or was just accorded a portion of it. His dangerous mission is still unspecified, so that keeps us interested, although it threatens to veer into cliché territory with the wise old teacher joining the quest.


True, but this cliche, to me, is welcome. It reminds me of Brande and Cham back in 301, but Brin and Sensei are very different characters and have no prior relationship, except an indirect one through the deceased Karate Kid. It will be interesting to see their character dynamic.

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The way our world has gone global, I wonder how much ethnic difference will remain in 1000 years but the Legion comic up to this period presented distinctions between Earth's races and societies. It seems a bit quaint now.


That's an interesting point about ethnicity disappearing. I suppose (and hope) there would still be some preservation of ethnicity, culture, and tradition, such as Jacques speaking French. Ethnicity defines who we are to a degree, and diversity should be celebrated. I would hope the 30th century would be as diverse if not more so as the present day.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
A Khundian terror team has targeted the candidates, and some see it as a diversion form an invasion. There’s no mention of who created the programme. Nor is the Khundian actions seen as an act of war. It’s as if it’s just the sort of thing the UP has to put up with. It does lack even the flimsiest deniability.


They are Khunds. They deny nothing. Of course, they have no brains, either, but . . . smile

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Blok acts as everyman to get most of this explained. Behind him Dreamy makes a snide remark and Element Lad calls her on it. Perhaps this comes from her last encounter with Thom, when she was thinking about how important the Legion was. Just an issue ago, the two seemed fine, but there is tension there.


Dreamy's behavior is certainly enigmatic. When she so quickly backed down from Rokk and Thom's assertion that a membership drive was needed last issue, I thought maybe she had experienced a vision of Jan returning. But now she seems resentful of having to give up the leadership. In a way, though, it's fascinating to watch the disintegration of her relationship with Thom--just as watching a burning building is fascinating. smile

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With Dawny killing someone in Tales, and Jacques here, it looks as though it’s going to be a busy time for Legion trials – Judge Kallor presiding.


A.K.A. Judge Dread? smile

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The third candidate Mojai Desai is much more confident. His family have been leaders since the time of caste (see also The Dominion) He seems to be in a position of some power already that enables him to bestow wealth and comfort. That makes me think about Leung’s paper again.


It would have been interesting to see these two square off in a debate. Ah, missed opportunities.

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Wildfire does nothing to ingratiate himself to Desai’s family, putting his feet on their table during a meal, and ignoring their conversation. He’s not exactly a good will ambassador for the team. But what do such things mean to Drake? He doesn’t eat, as he’s been trying to tell their serving droid. What family connections does he have now? E only has the Legion and he’s been waiting for a battle with the Khunds. No little part of this is wrapped up in his ego, which took a battering the last time he faced a Khund. There’s a lot to learn about Drake in this scene. The Lightle visual of his suit having absorbed the energy is a favourite.


Wildfire is put to good use here--his obvious lack of interest is meant to deflate the windbag, Desai. And Drake thinks nothing of wrecking the candidate's airborne home--the symbol of the latter's power and wealth--while preserving his life. The Legionnaires are reckless with private property, as we've seen before.

I agree about the visual. Stunning.
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The cover is overly busy. The Khund and the poster work. But then we have three Legionnaires in close, mid and long shot added. A space scape and a Legion cruiser are needlessly put in too. Only the first part works.


It is like two covers combined. Either lose the Khund or the Legionnaires and cruiser.

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The opening scene where Dirk stops a Khund assassin is supposed to inform the reader of an assassination plot while having a light tonal touch.

Madre de Dios! I woke up in bed with Sun Boy! The scene does illustrate Dirk's confidence and easy-going attitude, his defeat of the Khund seems almost effortless.

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Behind him Dreamy makes a snide remark and Element Lad calls her on it. Perhaps this comes from her last encounter with Thom, when she was thinking about how important the Legion was. Just an issue ago, the two seemed fine, but there is tension there.


This seemed out of sorts for Nura, who seemed to have achieved some balance with Jan - so I attribute it to tensions with Thom. Jan isn't giving her a free ride, however. Maybe he's learned to cut the sniping in the bud.

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Unfortunately for him, Jacques warping abilities activate when he’s threatened to a certain level (but after Darkseid – actually I wonder if there could be a connection between them activating and the Boom Tube technology he went through in GDS). Jacques teleports him into space, killing him.


The boom tube connection makes a lot of sense! The writers could have used that to explain the teleportation and the instability of that power. At least he didn't turn into the Hulk when threatened.

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We don’t learn much about surprised candidate one. Candidate two, Leung, has written a paper on streamlining government. That makes me wonder just how much bureaucratic fat there is in the UP. How do they all feel about a computer using a paper to point it out to them? The third candidate Mojai Desai is much more confident. His family have been leaders since the time of caste (see also The Dominion) He seems to be in a position of some power already that enables him to bestow wealth and comfort. That makes me think about Leung’s paper again.


I guess she got an A+ on that paper. You raise a good point about Desai's wealth and how he's operated in his own region. The computer gives the people a chance at efficient government, but they go for the hope for hand-outs. Prosperity versus austerity.... I'd like to have read their campaign promises.

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There’s a lot to learn about Drake in this scene. The Lightle visual of his suit having absorbed the energy is a favourite.


The suit is well done. And the behaviour is pure Wildfire at his ... what? neither best nor worst. Sulkiest, perhaps. He's no doubt been in a bad mood since Dawnstar left and gets to take it out on the Desai family with rude manners and the Khund with power.

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While it would have detracted a bit from a very strong scene for Gim, it could have also provided Yera with an opportunity to show her skills.


They could have fought as a team (did they ever?), but I guess this was meant to be Gim's personal fight, defending his Mom. She should have hired him as her full-time bodyguard.

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Desai’s confidence was well founded and he’s duly declared the election winner. At his side is vid-gupta, with a villainous (and distinctive) twinkle in his eye. Vid-Gupta (clue in the name) is known to Desai. Considering the plans Vid-Gupta has, I’m reminded again that no one asks who programmes the election computer. I doubt vid-gupta would have shown up at the side of the other two candidates. That means the computer has been tampered with. How long has that been going on and how often will it happen again, are questions could be a long time in being answered.


Oh, I hadn't thought about the computer being tampered with. Of course!

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Continuing the Orando plotline, Brin meets Karate Kid’s teacher, and we find out that Brin has inherited billions from Karate Kid, as his heir, Projectra has moved the planet elsewhere. There seems to be plenty of danger in fulfilling the terms of the request. But Brin is prepared to do it. It’s good to see him sense the approach of Sensei, and also to move away from the sometimes moping, sometimes comedy duo with Blok routine. Points to Levitz for not just settling in on one view of a character, which is all too easy to do.


Just as Ayla had to leave to find herself, Brin gets the opportunity to come to terms with his life on this adventure. Had he stayed at Legion HQ, he might have been caught in an endless cycle of moping and Blok-comedy. I don't know if the Levitz intended that, but it works (or can work) in real life. And he won't have Tasmia and Tinya around to put him down either. (The Terrible Ts Tease - a new superpower.) Another thing I like about this situation is that Brin doesn't seem to care particularly about the prospect of great wealth; is it because he just doesn't care about money or that his senses are dulled by depression?

Originally Posted by HWW
Oddly, the one candidate whose face is shot out in the candidates’ poster is the one who gets elected. I don’t know if this is meant to be foreshadowing, but, as I recall nothing comes of it.


I was wondering if there was some greater meaning behind this, or if it was just a visual effect.

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It’s also odd that the Interlac word on the left-hand side of the cover reads “Vote.” Yet the candidates are all selected by computer as is the eventual winner. I’m unclear on who was voting or why it was necessary for Senor Lopyt to campaign.


It's not specified here, but in the previous election, the computer chose candidates and the people voted.

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The concept of computers electing the president makes me think of the Electoral College and the recent debates over its validity. In the 30th century, elections have been taken even further out of the hands of the voting public. The “leveling” the Electoral College is supposed to create is taken to extremes. But, it was 1985, and we had much more faith in computers than we do now.


True! Computers were going to manage everything. Then we got Windows... The Legion itself allows members to choose themselves to run for Leader, no computers involved except to tally results. There's also thoth's suggestion of tampering, which could apply even if citizens voted, as we sadly know.

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This may be the first Legion issue in which I’ve admired the art more than the story. At best, the art and story have complemented each other for excellent narration and breathtaking visuals. More often, it’s the writing I gravitate toward, regardless of the quality of the art. But here Lightle shines (pun semi-intended). His faces are distinct and attractive. The action scenes move the story along with clear, concise images, and the mood is palpable, especially in the Brin/Sensei scene. (Kudos must also be given to Mahlstedt and colorist Gafford.) Unlike previous issues, in which Lightle seemed cramped to include so many visuals, here he has the space to stretch out and breathe. That’s one advantage of Levitz’s wafer-thin plot.


It would have been interesting to see the script. How much of the action scenes were described to Lightle, or did he just run with his own ideas? Regardless, the result is, as you say, admirable.

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Originally Posted by thoth
The third candidate Mojai Desai is much more confident. His family have been leaders since the time of caste (see also The Dominion) He seems to be in a position of some power already that enables him to bestow wealth and comfort. That makes me think about Leung’s paper again.



It would have been interesting to see these two square off in a debate. Ah, missed opportunities.


A debate would have been fascinating! And too bad that Leung never made another appearance; she's clearly interested in government and to be chosen as a candidate must change one's life.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


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It’s also odd that the Interlac word on the left-hand side of the cover reads “Vote.” Yet the candidates are all selected by computer as is the eventual winner. I’m unclear on who was voting or why it was necessary for Senor Lopyt to campaign.


It's not specified here, but in the previous election, the computer chose candidates and the people voted.


Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't remember how Marte was elected.

It does raise more questions. Since voters now have one day to choose, they don't have the opportunity to get to know the candidates or watch them develop or modify their stances on issues over a period of time. Are voters supposed to go with their gut feelings? Like answering a personality quiz, the first response is the best one? Perhaps this system is meant to give candidates less chance to be dishonest and the voters less chance to rationalize their biases.

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The concept of computers electing the president makes me think of the Electoral College and the recent debates over its validity. In the 30th century, elections have been taken even further out of the hands of the voting public. The “leveling” the Electoral College is supposed to create is taken to extremes. But, it was 1985, and we had much more faith in computers than we do now.


True! Computers were going to manage everything. Then we got Windows... The Legion itself allows members to choose themselves to run for Leader, no computers involved except to tally results. There's also thoth's suggestion of tampering, which could apply even if citizens voted, as we sadly know.


Windows 10--yeah! laugh

The Legion's first election was determined by computer. I suppose this was meant to get the team started and, with only three members, eliminate the possibility of everyone voting for him- or herself.

The notion that candidates are chosen without first deciding to run for office is troublesome. It reeks of totalitarianism or at least English monarchy. One thing I've gleaned from Downton Abbey and The Crown is that there's no legal mechanism for someone to refuse to be monarch or even an earl. Abdicating the throne, as Edward VIII did, is costly and creates uncertainty in a realm which depends on an orderly and predictable transition of power. It's unclear how much of this lack of an "escape clause" applies to the 30th century election process. There's no indication that candidates can turn down the nomination. However, Marte resigned as president--so it's okay to quit after you've been elected, apparently. (In this sense, the president seems similar to a prime minister. )

The built-in assumption appears to be that it's good to be president and no one would want to refuse. There also seems to be a sense of duty to the community outweighing the needs of the individual (a common theme on The Crown). Ironically, this is very much at odds with the individualism championed by US comics and US culture in general at the time.


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Originally Posted by HWW
Oddly, the one candidate whose face is shot out in the candidates’ poster is the one who gets elected. I don’t know if this is meant to be foreshadowing, but, as I recall nothing comes of it.


Yeah, I was expecting a scene where the candidate is killed and replaced. But our villain doesn’t need to do that to get control. So, its less a bullet hole and more the shattering of the mind of the targeted character.

Originally Posted by HWW
It’s also odd that the Interlac word on the left-hand side of the cover reads “Vote.” Yet the candidates are all selected by computer as is the eventual winner. I’m unclear on who was voting or why it was necessary for Senor Lopyt to campaign.


The final winner is elected by the voting public, with the candidates elected by computer, from what I remember form an earlier story. Presumably the one where Marte Allon got nominated/elected.
I reckon that, even though the public voted, that the votes are tallied by computer and that this has been rigged. I see Cramer commented on this one too. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
1985 was not a national election year in the US, though Ronald Reagan began his second term as president shortly before this issue was published. I can’t help but wonder if this issue is meant to comment on the inefficiency and bloating of the US election process. In the Legion’s time, candidates are selected by computer, and those selected are not professional politicians (though Mojai might be). They cannot spend months or years campaigning, running media ads, and slandering the opposition. Strangely, Blok asks if humans cannot choose their leaders in a simpler manner, but that’s exactly what’s happened here. I wonder what Element Lad means by “we’ve tried.”


Thanks for the background, HWW. I think its exactly a commentary on political systems, much like the Allon one was too. I think the “we’ve tried” form Jan is really the writer expressing frustration with the systems used in our time.

Things are much better in the Legion’s time when a member can join and use the bylaws to oust everyone else in a villainous coup…um…

Originally Posted by HWW
The concept of computers electing the president makes me think of the Electoral College and the recent debates over its validity. In the 30th century, elections have been taken even further out of the hands of the voting public. The “leveling” the Electoral College is supposed to create is taken to extremes. But, it was 1985, and we had much more faith in computers than we do now.



…I mean, trust in a computer to tally votes, safe in the knowledge it can’t be got at….er… or that there’s a villain called Computo around…um…

Originally Posted by HWW
The story itself fails to grab me. It seems all over the place, even though there’s a consistent theme… But these are just crumbs of stories. There is no cookie.


I think that can be one of the downsides to the Levitz approach. It’s important that there’s a sufficient payoff to each issue and movement in each scene. That means that there’s a pacing to the subplots, to make sure that there’s always enough drama/action in each issue, and that they don’t all fall into quiet moments. Otherwise, although there might be plot progress, the little ensemble pieces don’t add up to enough within a single issue.

The last few Baxter issues have been closer to the line than anything in Tales for me. Things like the character moments HWW mentions help to offset this.
Levitz could have had teams protecting each candidate, with a Khund squad for each to increase the action. I prefer that we got to see more of individuals. Besides, having a squad would have interfered with Jacques subplot. So that was possibly on purpose.

Originally Posted by HWW
A couple of plotlines are advanced—Jacques accidentally kills a Khund and may be the next Legionnaire up for court martial (after Dawnstar, of course); Rokk announces his leave of absence and hints at further changes in his life. (As a reader then, I thought he was going to propose to Lydda; I was disappointed when he didn’t.)


A Rokk/Lydda marriage seems like a probable outcome of all this, although it becomes a bit of a boring tease with the length of time its taking him to tell anyone.

Originally Posted by HWW
Unlike previous issues, in which Lightle seemed cramped to include so many visuals, here he has the space to stretch out and breathe. That’s one advantage of Levitz’s wafer-thin plot.


As the team develops, hopefully we’ll see more of Levitz finding a good pace for Lightle to express himself. Also, where Lightle’s work inspires Levitz plots.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Madre de Dios! I woke up in bed with Sun Boy!


Well, it was his turn. There’s probably another computer election for that.

Originally Posted by Cramer
True! Computers were going to manage everything. Then we got Windows...


After a century or two of that, people were happy to put up with Planetary Chance Machine v1
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Levitz could have had teams protecting each candidate, with a Khund squad for each to increase the action. I prefer that we got to see more of individuals. Besides, having a squad would have interfered with Jacques subplot. So that was possibly on purpose.


I totally agree about the focus on individuals. As I said in my own post, it makes the Legionnaires look like professionals if only one of them is needed to guard each candidate--and they all succeed in their missions.

What's missing in the story for me is that there is no central character to root for, no one to focus on (except Jacques, briefly), no climax, resolution, or denouement. The story just isn't a story.

Several months ago, I watched some old episodes of Hill Street Blues on YouTube, and I found them very instructive. Even though there's a lot going on and several interweaving storylines, every episode still felt like it was complete. Maybe this is because most (all?) episodes took place during a single day--from roll call in the morning until late at night. I think, however, that Frank Furillo provided us with a focus--someone to root for, someone to sympathize with when he had to deliver someone bad news or find out what had happened to his officers. Through Furillo, we came to admire, sympathize, and relate to the other officers and detectives. Most TV series of this nature have had such a viewpoint character (Dr. Westphall on St. Elsewhere, Michael Kuzak on L.A. Law). When the viewpoint character leaves, the show inevitably suffers.

The Legion, of course, has never quite worked this way--although Superboy was its central character for many years. The role of central character changes with leadership elections, and Jan is only now coming into his own as an admirable and confident leader. If there had been more Jan in this story, it might have worked for me. However, it could also have focused more on one of the candidates--but we get only bits and pieces of who they are.

So, Legion 10 is a story without a central character to me.

Ironically, growing up with Levitz's Legion, I thought this was "good" writing--very similar to real life. But now I understand why the story felt incomplete to me even then.
Tales #323 Triumph... and Tragedy by Mindy Newell & Paul Levitz, art by Dan Jurgens & Karl Kesel, Colors by Carl Gaford, Letters by Ben Oda

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People on Kol's planet are dying and it's accepted as the will of Kol, although some question if Jhodan consorting with demons is the cause.

Brainy and Dawnstar reunite; Jhodan attacks him until Spliff, "Kol's mystic", intervenes. Dawnstar realizes that Brainy understands Jhodan and asks to learn his language, since she may stay with him. Spliff finds the computer reel Brainy took and is angry.

At the temple, the Reverend Mother comforts Ina and absolves her of blame since she swiftly reported Jhodan's alliance with Dawnstar. Rand becomes Ina's new teacher, but she mourns for Jhodan. The Reverend Mother also mourns Jhodan's betrayal and wonders if his faith truly has faltered. As she prays to Kol, a lightning bolt hits the temple.

In space, Gigi relieves Shvaughn as Dev-Em's partner in the Black Circle infiltration.

Jhodan questions Brainy about the computer reel; he lectures Jhodan on minds closed by dogma. Dawnstar criticizes Brainy for his disdain of the culture and comforts Jhodan. An angry mob approaches, hurling rocks, blaming the strangers and Spliff for the death of their children. A tornado appears, which Jhodan takes as a sign of Kol's displeasure and Brainy sees as a coincidence. As they return to the temple, they encounter more mobs blaming them for the children's deaths.

As Rand and Ina in military gear prepare to capture Jhodan and company, Ina begins to fall ill. As she collapses, Brainy examines here and admits he and Dawnstar are responsible for the illness, but not because Kol is angry with them. An earthquake strikes, Rand falls into a crevice and Dawnstar saves him.Aiwan arrives with more priest-soldiers, captures the group. Brainy, Dawnstar and Spliff are bound to a semi-circle platform to be killed. Brainy wants to get free to access antibiotics in his ship.

On the Dark Circle world, Dev-Em is unmasked yet overconfident, until he realizes he can't fly away and is vulnerable. He awakens imprisoned and weak with kryptonite poisoning; a Dark Circle member says they already got what they needed from him and that his scorn for the Legion will help their plan.

As Ina lies gravely ill, Jhodan questions why Kol would punish innocent children. Rand speaks up to defend Dawnstar when Aiwan calls her a witch. After speaking privately with Aiwan, Jhodan addresses the crowd and renounces his association with Dawnstar and Brainy. They are released and Jhodan rejects Brainy's offer of medicine for the sick children. As he leaves, the computer reel falls from his robe and Brainy picks it up as Dawnstar weeps.

Epilogues: Brainy meets with President Desai, who tells him that a vaccine has been seeded in the atmosphere of Kol's planet and an expedition is planned to research the planet's link to Earth's 23rd century Great Wars period. Brainy wants to join the expedition and warns of a dangerous force of nature operating on the planet. Dawnstar reflects on her time with Jhodan and the emotions she experienced. She's distant with Wildfire and brushes off his questions about the man she met. When he leaves, she vows to return to Jhodan someday.


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The splash page with Dawnstar throwing her arms out to Brainy is one of my favourites. There's a lot of emotion there, all the more striking for two people who bottle up their feelings.

The soldiers and the priests are the same, which I didn't get in the previous issue. They just wear different clothes. Warrior priests, not so unusual.

Brainy and Dawnstar infected the planet, but only the children. That makes it rather more heartbreaking and leaves the adults free to cry for revenge. It does raise the question of whether there were original inhabitants of this planet wiped out by the Earthlings who arrived to build the present society. There's an interesting ethical question raised since Jhodan refused medicine for the dying children, but the U.P. went ahead and sprayed vaccines anyways. If there were unintended consequences, however, we'll never know.

Brainy's easy-going attitude vanishes as he collides with the closed minds imposed by Kol's religious order. He can't think his way out of this one, though - and it's only Jhodan's submission to the Reverend Mother that allows the Legionnaires to go free. That's unusual for a Legion story; they generally manage to battle their way out of everything.

Dawnstar mirrors Ina to some degree; she has loyalty to her fellow Legionnaire, but is siding with Jhodan when Brainy attacks his religion. Just as with Ina, the choice is made for her and she returns to the Legion. Had Dawnstar stayed with or returned to Jhodan, she might have been an agent for gradual, positive change. Rand changed his view of her based on their experience, when she saved his life. Dawnstar appreciated the spiritual aspect of that society, unlike Brainiac 5, who, in this issue, condemned and imposed his "enlightened" views (although in the Epilogue, he's talking about an unknown force of nature on that planet, not coincidental natural events).

Ina continues to be torn between her devotion to Jhodan and to her religion. Sadly, we never see the end of her story, whether she lives or dies, stays as Rand's novitiate or returns to Jhodan.

There are plenty of unresolved stories here. Mindy Newell, in the Legion Companion interview, suggested that she bit off more than she could chew with this story, too many ideas that didn't come together. These all could have been resolved if the story arc had continued, but it was dropped. We don't know what was on the computer reel, if Ina survived, what happened with the expedition, what was the deal with the nature force which so concerned Brainy. Dawnstar may spend a panel or two in future issues remembering Jhodan, but she never tries to return. So it's ultimately very frustrating to reread this story and know that these questions won't be resolved.

Ironically, in the letters column, Chris Miller asks for a future history of the DCU, the time between the 20th and 30th centuries, and is told that it will be made clearer in the Crisis series. Was this Legion story supposed to link to Crisis in that historical sense, with its big mystery about the 23rd century? I don't recall such details from Crisis (and have ordered the book from the library to find out) but does someone here know if there was such a connection? I also couldn't find anything on-line that Mindy Newell said regarding her ideas of where the story of Kol's planet might go.
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I didn’t pick up the finale for this story for some years, possibly ten at least for some reason. The baggy with this back issue comes with a very detailed sticker, telling me everything except the date I bought it. It was from an outfit that I mainly remember getting concessions in big stores. They had a much more technical approach to their inventory, compared to the other guys who just put little price stickers on the baggies. They ended up allegedly involved in some shady comics practices to improve the gradings.

As a body burns and we’re told a sickness inflicts the land, an old man dismisses stories of what we’ve seen in the last couple of issues. It seems like a fair amount of time has gone past for a sickness to take root in their society, and this comes over as a framing sequence. It could almost have been an elderly Jhodan failing to come to terms with the effects of the visitors to their planet. A quick peek to the end shows no old man or final look at a village coming to terms with the effects of the plague. It’s an interesting introductory page, but there’s no pay off to it.

There is a mix of cultures still in evidence, reminding us of the depth in Newell’s world. All of the main cast have been essentially travelling this world since the opening panel. Perhaps there’s a small incubation period for the disease, explaining why it’s spreading and killing so quickly. Ina will be carrying it back to the temple too.

Dawny and Brainy, two of the most reserved heroes on the team, give each other a genuinely warm embrace. Dawny then immediately distances herself, which fits her personality nicely. Brainy is a bit more in tune with himself. In truth, he always has been, as seen with his first appearance “be my girl” chat to Supergirl. The balance between his caring and analytical mind comes across very nicely in Newell’s dialogue. It’s a nice moment, that I’d hope to see carried on in some friendship capacity in later issues (v4 not recognising Bounty is a big minus on this relationship).

It lasts all of a few seconds as Brainy is tackled to the ground by Jhodan. Plot wise, this attack occurs so that the data reel is discovered. But Jhodan comes across as petulantly jealous. Perhaps Ina actually got some of her attitude from her teacher? We learn that Jhodan defers to Spliff, who turns out to be a Mystic of Kol. Having calmed the situation, it’s then Spliff who remonstrates with Brainy over the reel. Later, Spliff has settled back down but wants the reel returned. Jhodan recognises it as a tablet of Kol. The access to such tablets is restricted to Awian.

It’s interesting to see Brainy fib to try and keep hold of the reel. Both Spliff and Jhodan recognise it (although they must be hidden in a number of temples) while Brainy pretends it’s nothing. Although Jhodan refers to it as a tablet of Kol, he hasn’t said what his understanding of Kol is. That doesn’t stop Brainy going off on a rant about the world’s religious dogma closing them off from other possibilities.

The main issue is really that the data is only accessible by a single person, not the providence of the information. Brainy has figured out the chronology of the data and knows the rough origin of the people. But he hasn’t bothered to determine the historical context behind the world he sees. It’s a blind spot brought from exasperation, but it makes him as closed as the people he’s criticising. Dawny is quite right to call Brainy on it. Her own faith is different and provides a third cultural viewpoint in the story. Newell gets a lot of credit for providing strengths and weaknesses of each position.

The sickness is really spreading and the villagers turn on the group. Spliff seems to have been involved in angering them too. He seems to either be precognitive or directly able to influence Kol through his role as a mystic, as a tornado suddenly appears (Red Tornado and Blue Devil on the same world? smile ).

Awian also seems to have a direct connection to Kol’s storms. While everyone is blaming Jhodan’s actions for events, its Awian questioning Kol that seems to start it. She keeps a picture of Jhodan in her office. There’s a connection between them that runs deeper than just their positions in the order. That she perhaps treats Jhodan a little differently doesn’t sit well with what we’ve seen of the order. But she’s just as quick to declare Jhodan a heretic. She carries out her duty, even if she still trusts Jhodan’s faith.

While the readers are privy to all the information Brainy has, it’s nice to see him be the one waffling over the coincidental tornado that suddenly appears to be bearing down on them. Determined to hold his position, despite coming from Earth which has a weather control system. smile Again, it’s credit to Newell for reminding us that everyone is fallible. It’s also a switch to see the scientist being the one to come up with a clearly incorrect hypothesis, and the people of Kol knowing exactly what it is.

Brainy had also involved Dream Girl in sharing some responsibility for their predicament. On one layer Dreamy, as acting leader, authorised the experiments and dispatched the two to search for their missing colleagues. But on another, we’re reminded of her past where she altered Ayla’s powers to make her Light Lass.

As they travel back towards the temple, the extent of the illness is revealed, but the walking Venturian credit doesn’t drop into place. By looking to help in each location they go to, they would make things worse. The disease is targeting the young. We don’t see any evidence of it affecting other vulnerable groups, so is the disease influenced by Kol? Brainy thinks of the villagers as a mob. Jhodan retreats inwards, thinking of himself as an outcast. But the villagers may well be doing exactly the right thing. A lesson for both worldviews of Brainy and Jhodan when faced with the reality of the world people actually live in.

The group run into the Arms of Kol, including a sickly Ina. In battle, Dawny retrieves a sword and threatens Rand before stopping herself. This would have been the scene that last issue’s cover was based on. There’s not much choreography in the battle. A Kol-initiated earth quake (Kolquake?) separates the combatants. There’s only Rand and Ina (Since Ina collapses, it’s only Rand), so the Arms of Kol are actually outnumbered until Awian turns up with reinforcements. Had Awian appeared at the same time as Rand and Ina, we could have had a more effective battle. The subterfuge set up to disguise the sleeping party seems a little wasted. Still. It does allow the confrontation between Awian and Jhodan at the temple more power, I guess.

With the others captured, Dawny gives herself up, and they are all placed in the Arch of Agony as threatened earlier on by Awian as she departed with her troops. Newell gets the chance to show off her background as a nurse as Brainy diagnoses Ina’s condition. If only she could be sued as a comics consultant for other writers when this sort of thing comes up smile

We don’t see the arch actually do anything. It does resemble Awian’s staff of Kol though, so perhaps there’s a connection there.

As they await their fate on the arch of agony, Brainy continues to fill in plot blanks or “computing” as Dawny calls it. He recognises more structures as 23rd century starship parts. That one has possibly been overdone. He also confirms that it was they who brought the plague to the world. The Legionnaires are inoculated against various diseases, but the locals are not. Considering the number of lost worlds and distant eras the Legion has visited, it’s about time this sort of thing was brought up. But it would slow the action to a crawl every adventure as the team go through testing procedures. A way round this is to say that their transuits would normally protect the local lifeforms. But when these malfunctioned on Kol disease spread.

Elsewhere in the temple, compromises are reached. Jhodan concedes he’s a betrayer of Kol, in respect to the innocence of the others who have been struck by disease. He can’t recant if such punishment is meted out to the innocent by a jealous and vengeful god.

Having had his life saved by Dawnstar on a couple of occasions, Rand defends her from Awian, even in the face of a spot on the arch of agony.

Awian calls Jhodan “my son” and I wonder if that is why she has his picture in her office (it looked like a photo – did that tech survive? smile ) She tells him that the visitors might have been a test. She tells him that his love for Dawny is pure. But these are just the openings of negotiations. Jhodan rejects Brainy and Dawny from Kol, freeing them in the process and waring them never to return. Brainy thinks that Jhodan has chosen his religious ignorance to being with Dawnstar. He’s missed that Jhodan has sacrificed his love for her freedom.

All of which is very odd as Awian isn’t really in a position to negotiate on behalf of Kol. If Kol is annoyed then it has certainly shown it directly. What part did Kol play in Awian’s plans? Enough to return the use of technology to the Legionnaires. Enough to allow Jhodan to gift Brainy the data reel.

Which makes sense of Brainy’s assertion to President Desai (points for keeping up with Baxter) that the planet contains a force of nature and that it is expecting their return.

Decisions made behind closed doors and favours being asked of Kol and seemingly granted doesn’t look likely to prolong the order of things there for long. It might actually be Rand who’s the main agent of change.

Despite Jhodan telling Brainy that Kol did not need their help, the UP has vaccinated the world by satellite. Despite Jhodan telling Brainy that he must never return to the world, the Coluan immediately volunteers himself for an expedition that Desai is launching to visit.

Considering the time taken for Dawny and Brainy’s return and the quick deaths of the children we saw in the story, I don’t hold out a lot of hope for Ina. She was possibly older than a lot of the victims which might help her.

Last issue I suggested that Dawny and Johdan were intimate in the night they spent together. In the final scene Dawny thinks to herself that “I’m no longer innocent… I know what it is to love a man.” Dawny’s brief time with Jhodan immediately changes her relationship with Wildfire. What she thought was love for Drake has been eclipsed by something stronger. Drake is smart enough to immediately know what’s happened. Actually, he had a premonition of it last issue. He takes it well, and there’s that constant dark thought that shapes so much of what he does: “I’m not a man.” Dawny looks out at the stars, determined to return.

Except no one did and none of these subplots were followed up. That’s fine. Comics are littered with loose plot threads. But did this stack up as a story? On balance I’d say yes.

The development of Dawnstar’s character was significant. This was a moment of real potential for her, as she launched into the opening issue of Crisis. Her relationship with Drake was challenged. A knock-on effect from this story should have seen some changes in him too. With the try out issue coming, as well as a trans time Crisis, it should have been a strong time for Wildfire too.
Their last scene in this issue was as powerful as anything in this era.

Newell’s work in this story reminded us of the emotional side of Brainiac 5, even as he indulged his curiosity at every available moment. He was shown to be vulnerable, and rationally fallible. He had to figure things out as he went rather than having everything appear in a convenient plot dump.

We don’t get to find out if Kol was sentient and, finally encountering beings from outwith its system, using events to make stronger connections. We don’t know how it could disrupt technology or use its power through The Core and deliver manna. But, in the end, it’s an enigmatic addition to the Legion’s universe like the Puppet Planetoid and the Antares of the Llorn.

Considering what happened to Red Tornado during Crisis, a world which he could control the environment of isn’t such an off the cuff suggestion. smile

The depth of culture on Kol and its underpinning theology and Newell’s handling of it in the story were big plus points.

Jhodan made a compromise. Perhaps he broke this to give Brainy the reel. Perhaps Kol was involved here too. But his choice made, his arc in the story ends well enough. Likewise, having brokered/ enforced whatever deal there was to make, Awian gets a world that returns to normal. With the UP’s vaccination no doubt being hailed as the work of Kol, faith may be even stronger than it was.

We don’t see what Awian has learned as she took Jhodan through the compromise. There are some things she doesn’t seem to grasp about the nature of Kol, but she’s a lot closer to it than anyone else there. We’ll never get to find out if her position would change when faced with Kol’s plans for the future.

One definite plot link was Desai’s intention to send an expedition there. Considering who he’s under the thrall of, this could have opened up a further story nicely. His master is a man very interested in history, and weapons and knowledge of a lost Great War would be useful to him. It would also get a certain Coluan out of his way.

The subplot running through this issue was Dev-Em’s continued infiltration of the Dark Circle. They confront him and disable him using Kryptonite. The sight of Dev-Em half encased in a Kryptonite chamber is a harrowing one. There’s plenty of sign posts on what the Circle intended to do here. But I’d not have read those until later. Considering his power, that’s quite a threat to the Legion. Just imagine that was Superboy.

Newell was on dialogue duty for the next two issues. I think that was her last involvement in the Legion? In her interview in the Legion Companion, she recounts the unusual way she came into the business, and into the new talent programme. Karen Berger was the Legion’s editor at the time and the mature output of DC was beginning to take shape. Once Vertigo got started, I’d have liked to have read something from Newell. It would have been a fresh voice amongst all those whiny-protagonists-finding-themselves stories I seemed to wade through later on. With Berger books out these, perhaps it’s not too late.


Li’l thoth’s Elsewhere Section

Only a few again this month.

The Old JLA meets the new in #238 and there’s an unconvincing passing of the torch. Great Patton art though.

Action 567 has Supes up against the Yellow Peri. I didn’t realise she wasn’t a major recurring Supes villainess.

It’s a Liberty Belle spotlight in All Star Squadron 38, with Baron Blitzkrieg in the wings. It’s a darker issue this one.

I’d get Crisis #2 and Who’s Who #3 very shortly, along with…

Firestorm goers up against Plastique and Killer Frost in #35

The Titans chase after Azrael in #53, after he puts Lilith through some changes. At that point, they don’t realise he’s not worth chasing after. Gar glowers in a courtroom as part of Termy’s trial.

Elsewhere…

Alan Moore was comfortably into Swamp Thing with #36. But he also did the back ups in both GL (Englehart & Staton run begins here I think?) and in the GA story in Detective. The first brings us Mogo, the second has Black Canary shot for plot purposes. Moore wonders why heroes aren’t taken down more easily. I agree, but shoot GA for a change next time.

Atari Force 17 – There’s a mind link scene here that would later be lifted and dropped into a Star Wars movie.

Sgt Rock saves a bunny rabbit from the Germans in #400

DC Comics Presents – 81 – Ambush Bug switches places with Superman after some Red Kryptonite exposure.

The Shadow War of Hawkman begins. A storyline that would take the characters right out of DC’s first Event comics. Like the Red Tornado mini series, this one must have sounded a lot better in the pitch than in the pay off. The new JLA would appear in a scene somewhere in this series.

The Infantino/Adams Deadman stories are reprinted. Frank Miller does the cover to the final part of Superman the Secret Years.

Vigilante 17 has the first part of a dark storyline. It’s what I thought Vigilante would be, only to be less than impressed with some gimmicky early issues. There’s also a funny reference to the JLA. The JLA also get a mention on the cover of Blue Devil 12.
Originally Posted by thoth
As a body burns and we’re told a sickness inflicts the land, an old man dismisses stories of what we’ve seen in the last couple of issues. It seems like a fair amount of time has gone past for a sickness to take root in their society, and this comes over as a framing sequence. It could almost have been an elderly Jhodan failing to come to terms with the effects of the visitors to their planet. A quick peek to the end shows no old man or final look at a village coming to terms with the effects of the plague. It’s an interesting introductory page, but there’s no pay off to it.


That would have been an interesting approach, to have elderly Jhodan relate what happened. The speed of the illness's spread baffled me as well - given what else goes on on the planet, maybe it wasn't even the Legionnaires who brought it. Brainy made a logical assumption but didn't do any tests.

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It lasts all of a few seconds as Brainy is tackled to the ground by Jhodan. Plot wise, this attack occurs so that the data reel is discovered. But Jhodan comes across as petulantly jealous. Perhaps Ina actually got some of her attitude from her teacher?


Indeed! Jhodan is a bit quick to judge.

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While the readers are privy to all the information Brainy has, it’s nice to see him be the one waffling over the coincidental tornado that suddenly appears to be bearing down on them. Determined to hold his position, despite coming from Earth which has a weather control system. Again, it’s credit to Newell for reminding us that everyone is fallible. It’s also a switch to see the scientist being the one to come up with a clearly incorrect hypothesis, and the people of Kol knowing exactly what it is.


It's a good illustration of the tenacity of one's belief system, presented in a very realistic manner.

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Brainy had also involved Dream Girl in sharing some responsibility for their predicament. On one layer Dreamy, as acting leader, authorised the experiments and dispatched the two to search for their missing colleagues. But on another, we’re reminded of her past where she altered Ayla’s powers to make her Light Lass.


Meddling in people's lives, or fulfilling a precognitive destiny? Now I'm going to be looking for other instances of Nura messing with or advocating that others mess with someone's power.

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With the others captured, Dawny gives herself up, and they are all placed in the Arch of Agony as threatened earlier on by Awian as she departed with her troops.


I didn't really get why Spliff was put on the Arch. He seemed to have a special position as Kol's mystic, but is damned here by mere association.

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Considering the number of lost worlds and distant eras the Legion has visited, it’s about time this sort of thing was brought up. But it would slow the action to a crawl every adventure as the team go through testing procedures. A way round this is to say that their transuits would normally protect the local lifeforms. But when these malfunctioned on Kol disease spread.


Great and sensible explanation!

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All of which is very odd as Awian isn’t really in a position to negotiate on behalf of Kol. If Kol is annoyed then it has certainly shown it directly. What part did Kol play in Awian’s plans? Enough to return the use of technology to the Legionnaires. Enough to allow Jhodan to gift Brainy the data reel.


I kept expecting Awian to start using a computer or otherwise indicate that she knows how it all works and the religious rites are just cover. We never find out if there's some secret knowledge available only to the leader.

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Decisions made behind closed doors and favours being asked of Kol and seemingly granted doesn’t look likely to prolong the order of things there for long. It might actually be Rand who’s the main agent of change.


Rand and Jhodan - two apparently highly placed religious figures. Could be a Vatican II in the works.

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Despite Jhodan telling Brainy that Kol did not need their help, the UP has vaccinated the world by satellite. Despite Jhodan telling Brainy that he must never return to the world, the Coluan immediately volunteers himself for an expedition that Desai is launching to visit.


This may have been meant as benign, but it certainly illustrated that the U.P. - with Earth the driving force - pretty much does what it wants with unclaimed planets.

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The development of Dawnstar’s character was significant. This was a moment of real potential for her, as she launched into the opening issue of Crisis. Her relationship with Drake was challenged. A knock-on effect from this story should have seen some changes in him too. With the try out issue coming, as well as a trans time Crisis, it should have been a strong time for Wildfire too.
Their last scene in this issue was as powerful as anything in this era.


Dawnstar underwent a major change in her life, so to drop that plot is particularly disappointing. Well, maybe it wasn't entirely dropped. Maybe her physical relationship with Jhodan encouraged her later to try and have some physical relationship with Drake. However, she seems to fall back into the Wildfire partnership pretty easily. You're right that Drake should also have changed. The two just seem to fall back together; maybe other options just proved too challenging.

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Newell’s work in this story reminded us of the emotional side of Brainiac 5, even as he indulged his curiosity at every available moment. He was shown to be vulnerable, and rationally fallible. He had to figure things out as he went rather than having everything appear in a convenient plot dump.


Agreed, one of the better characterizations of Brainiac 5.


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Jhodan made a compromise. Perhaps he broke this to give Brainy the reel. Perhaps Kol was involved here too. But his choice made, his arc in the story ends well enough. Likewise, having brokered/ enforced whatever deal there was to make, Awian gets a world that returns to normal. With the UP’s vaccination no doubt being hailed as the work of Kol, faith may be even stronger than it was.


Oh, hadn't thought about that. Unintended consequences.

Interesting bunch of other comics from that time. What's rabbit stew in German?
Tales 323

Newell’s interview in The Legion Companion is most insightful. She made a lot of mistakes in writing this story that novice writers often make (and which I’ve made more than a few time): trying to say so much in her story that it lacks a clear focus and resolution. I commend her for her ambitious aims in writing this story. I also commend DC for giving her the chance to write a three-issue tale, even though, by her own admission, she wasn’t ready. And there is a lot of good in the wrap-up, even though it doesn’t wrap up everything.

For me, the biggest takeaway is that Dawnstar has indeed changed because of the story. I didn’t pick up on the carefully couched references to her having sex with Jhodan—and, even now, the wording is vague enough to pass the Comics Code. But it’s clear that her experience with him did have an effect on her. She learns she wants more from a relationship than Wildfire can provide.

I don’t think this lesson is meant to reflect just the physical sense. Jhodan is a very different man than Wildfire: someone who looks after her without talking down to her, who demonstrates intelligence and thoughtfulness, and who is willing to sacrifice everything—even his love for her—for her freedom. Drake has never exhibited any of these qualities. At best, he’s come off as clingy and condescending. Even during their brief reunion, he focuses on his own needs and not on what she’s been through.

I can also see why Dawnstar would want to return to Jhodan’s world—not only to be with him, but because the world itself represents a simple way of life with clear-cut standards of right and wrong. This setting suits her temperament better, I think, than the varied worlds and complicated relationships of the Legion. As a “weirdling,” she can arguably make more of a difference than she can as a Legionnaire—someone who inspires the Kol natives to question their long-held beliefs and assumptions, and, with the support of Jhodan and Spliff, might succeed in guiding them to become a more tolerant, educated, or open culture.

(Ironically, the cover shows several Kol natives bowing before a statue of Dawnstar—a scene which doesn’t happen in the story. Perhaps Newell had intended for Dawny to be worshipped as a goddess in the never-to-be sequel.)

Brainiac 5 doesn’t change—and that’s fine; this is really a one-character story. Brainy serves the needs of the plot, mostly in good ways which honor the truth of his character (such as spouting medical jargon while attending Ina—good move, Nurse Mindy!). The plot also forces Brainy into some less convincing roles, such as his intolerant rant over Jhodan’s intolerance. Brainy has been on enough missions with the Legion to know how varied cultures can be. Did he also not learn that calling people ignorant and foolish is not a good way to win them over? Worse, it could alienate the very people he needs as allies.

I’m all for Brainy expressing a bit of condescension towards dogma as well as magic (as he later does during the Magic Wars), but his open hostility toward Jhodan and the others doesn’t ring true.

My biggest gripe about the story, in fact, is that most of the characters act either out of character or with knee-jerk reactions. It begins with Jhodan attacking Brainy after Dawny throws her arms around the latter. Even if Jhodan had spent the night with Dawny in the conjugal sense, it seems out of character for him to jump this green-skinned foreigner and assume he’s seducing his “woman.” The Jhodan of the last two issues was more patient and willing to assess a situation.

I’ve already discussed Brainy’s out of character rant above, and Dawny gets her turn when she grabs Rand and nearly skewers him. Granted, it’s been a tough time for her and she did accidently skewer a soldier last issue, but the whole “I will brutalize you—oh my god, what am I doing?” routine smacks of cliché. It serves the needs of the plot and provides a payoff when Rand—in another convenient and out-of-character turn—serves as mouthpiece for the author: “We should not destroy what we do not understand.” If the people on Kol can be turned around so easily, then Dawny’s return as Goddess of Enlightenment is assured.

I was waiting for some revelation that the atmosphere of Kol or the hidden god him/herself was somehow manipulating people’s emotions and forcing them to act in bizarre ways. But such a revelation never comes. The real explanation is probably that Newell (who said in the interview that she’d never had a formal writing class) did not know how to let the characters reveal themselves without forcing them to meet the needs of the plot.

Another indication of Newell’s rawness as a writer can be found in the science fiction plot. I mentioned how the first part of the story reminded me of the Star Trek episode, “The Omega Glory.” In the conclusion, I see echoes of other episodes, as well. Many of these ideas are based on tropes (the humans’ bacteria proves fatal to aliens, the planet turns out to be the remains of a spaceship, connections to earth’s violent past since the 20th century are mentioned, religious intolerance prevents people from accepting scientific solutions to their problems). I can only assume that Newell drew from the same well I did as a fledgling writer—Star Trek and other mainstream sources—because I, too, thought they were original and did not understand the larger literary context.

(In no way do I mean to compare myself to Newell. As a writer, she accomplished a lot of things I haven’t. And she did develop into a fine writer, though I’m mainly familiar with her self-created series The New Wave from Eclipse Comics.)

Another example of this reliance on mainstream material appears at the end when the UP takes it upon itself to vaccinate the inhabitants of Kol without their knowledge. It’s an act of mercy, sure, but also one of arrogance and the unquestioned belief that advanced cultures know best for less advanced ones—an attitude that can be found in several episodes of Star Trek and other TV shows of the time.

So, “Look Homeward, Legionnaires” (the title on the splash page) leaves us with a lot of tantalizing mysteries and possibilities. However, it is also refreshing to see a new writer’s take on the characters after so many years of immersion in the Levitz Legion. Newell brings in a lot of fresh ideas to revitalize the characters and their universe—and there’s never anything wrong with that.
By the way, here's how these two issues fared in my "Top 30" of February 5, 1985:

1. Superman: The Secret Years # 4 -- DC
2. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 53 -- DC
3. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 2 -- DC
4. America Vs. The Justice Society # 4 -- DC
5. New Teen Titans # 8 -- DC
6. All-Star Squadron # 44 -- DC
7. Star Trek # 14 -- DC
8. Badger # 5 -- First
9. Green Lantern # 188 -- DC
10. Power Man & Iron Fist # 117 -- Marvel

11. Nexus # 8 -- First
12. Iron Man # 194 -- Marvel
13. Captain America # 305 -- Marvel
14. Superman # 405 -- DC
15. Shadow War of Hawkman # 1 -- DC
16. Infinity Inc. # 13 -- DC
17. Fantastic Four # 278 -- Marvel
18. Amazing Spider-Man # 264 -- Marvel
19. Zot! # 7 -- Eclipse
20. Marvel Tales # 175 -- Marvel

21. New Defenders # 143 -- Marvel
22. Legion of Super-Heroes # 10 -- DC
23. Justice League of America # 238 -- DC
24. Avengers # 255 -- Marvel
25. Fury of Firestorm # 35 -- DC
26. Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes # 323 -- DC
27. Uncanny X-Men # 193 -- Marvel
28. American Flagg! # 20 -- First
29. Wally Wood's T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents # 2 -- Deluxe
30. Flash # 345 -- DC

. . . so, I didn't think much of either issue at the time. I'm only somewhat more impressed with 323 now.
I'm sensing you weren't a big fan of 'The Trial of the Flash' HWW. wink
As I recall, Blacula, the trial went on way too long and the art (by Carmine Infantino?) wasn't very good.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
. . . it's only Jhodan's submission to the Reverend Mother that allows the Legionnaires to go free. That's unusual for a Legion story; they generally manage to battle their way out of everything.


Good point. Our heroes don't win by any stretch of the imagination. But the story isn't about winning. It's about Dawnstar growing up, to an extent.

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Dawnstar mirrors Ina to some degree; she has loyalty to her fellow Legionnaire, but is siding with Jhodan when Brainy attacks his religion. Just as with Ina, the choice is made for her and she returns to the Legion. Had Dawnstar stayed with or returned to Jhodan, she might have been an agent for gradual, positive change.


I kind of thought this might be where the story would head in the sequel, as well. I don't think DC would have been willing to let Dawny leave the Legion for good, so it's interesting to speculate on how the sequel might have turned out.

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Ironically, in the letters column, Chris Miller asks for a future history of the DCU, the time between the 20th and 30th centuries, and is told that it will be made clearer in the Crisis series. Was this Legion story supposed to link to Crisis in that historical sense, with its big mystery about the 23rd century? I don't recall such details from Crisis (and have ordered the book from the library to find out) but does someone here know if there was such a connection? I also couldn't find anything on-line that Mindy Newell said regarding her ideas of where the story of Kol's planet might go.



I don't remember anything from Crisis that addressed the time between the 20th and 30th centuries--unless there were some brief appearances by the Space Museum (25th century or so) and other characters who might have been set in that in-between future time.

Originally Posted by thoth
Brainy has figured out the chronology of the data and knows the rough origin of the people. But he hasn’t bothered to determine the historical context behind the world he sees. It’s a blind spot brought from exasperation, but it makes him as closed as the people he’s criticising.


People who criticize others for being narrowminded are often blind to the claustrophobic dimensions of their own views. It's a plus that Newell recognized this.

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Awian also seems to have a direct connection to Kol’s storms. While everyone is blaming Jhodan’s actions for events, its Awian questioning Kol that seems to start it.


This, too, was a nice subtle touch. The "natural force" Brainy recognized is quite real and it interacts with the inhabitants in chilling ways.

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She keeps a picture of Jhodan in her office. There’s a connection between them that runs deeper than just their positions in the order. That she perhaps treats Jhodan a little differently doesn’t sit well with what we’ve seen of the order.


Awian, Ina, and Dawny each held a special place in her heart for Jhodan. Perhaps his secret power is the ability to make women fall in love with him. He's secretly . . . Starfox!

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Considering the time taken for Dawny and Brainy’s return and the quick deaths of the children we saw in the story, I don’t hold out a lot of hope for Ina. She was possibly older than a lot of the victims which might help her.


The time element at the end of the story is muddled. Brainy says UP scientists have studied the reel for one month, suggesting it's been that long since he and Dawny returned. However, Wildfire suggests he hasn't seen Dawny in a month. Does that mean it's been a month since she and Brainy left on their mission or that she's been avoiding Wildfire for a month since her return?

Given how fast the disease spread, it could very well be that the entire population had died by the time the vaccines were sprayed.




Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
It does raise the question of whether there were original inhabitants of this planet wiped out by the Earthlings who arrived to build the present society.

It would make an interesting parallel to the events in this story. There’s also the possibility that Kol was there when the human arrived, is the spirit of the planet or is a combination of a planetary spirit merged with a spaceships AI.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brainy's easy-going attitude vanishes as he collides with the closed minds imposed by Kol's religious order. He can't think his way out of this one, though - and it's only Jhodan's submission to the Reverend Mother that allows the Legionnaires to go free. That's unusual for a Legion story; they generally manage to battle their way out of everything.


The battle and their appearance on the arch was a little convenient plot wise, pushing events that little bit to get to the conclusion. The pacing in this issue wasn’t as strong as the last two, or perhaps the first two could have picked up a bit more to allow space here.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Dawnstar mirrors Ina to some degree; she has loyalty to her fellow Legionnaire, but is siding with Jhodan when Brainy attacks his religion. Just as with Ina, the choice is made for her and she returns to the Legion. Had Dawnstar stayed with or returned to Jhodan, she might have been an agent for gradual, positive change. Rand changed his view of her based on their experience, when she saved his life. Dawnstar appreciated the spiritual aspect of that society, unlike Brainiac 5, who, in this issue, condemned and imposed his "enlightened" views (although in the Epilogue, he's talking about an unknown force of nature on that planet, not coincidental natural events).


Dawny would definitely have kicked those mountain people’s butts. But since Kol is at the heart of everything that happens on that world, she may well have found that it was either conform, leave, die or take over.

Originally Posted by Cramer
There are plenty of unresolved stories here. Mindy Newell, in the Legion Companion interview, suggested that she bit off more than she could chew with this story, too many ideas that didn't come together. These all could have been resolved if the story arc had continued, but it was dropped. We don't know what was on the computer reel, if Ina survived, what happened with the expedition, what was the deal with the nature force which so concerned Brainy. Dawnstar may spend a panel or two in future issues remembering Jhodan, but she never tries to return. So it's ultimately very frustrating to reread this story and know that these questions won't be resolved.


I don’t mind that there are unanswered questions. Some, such as the fate of Ina could have been dealt with here. But the wider ones are the whole point of sequels. Compared to the huge number of “spotlight” stories that demolish characters without ever reaching their natural conclusion, I’m happy enough with what we got here.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Ironically, in the letters column, Chris Miller asks for a future history of the DCU, the time between the 20th and 30th centuries, and is told that it will be made clearer in the Crisis series. Was this Legion story supposed to link to Crisis in that historical sense, with its big mystery about the 23rd century? I don't recall such details from Crisis (and have ordered the book from the library to find out) but does someone here know if there was such a connection? I also couldn't find anything on-line that Mindy Newell said regarding her ideas of where the story of Kol's planet might go.


The Great Disaster might have been a link to Kamandi. But the plot of Crisis was going through so many changes that the advice in the lettercol is more about the goals of the series than the actual detail. I imagine that Newell might have been given some advice not to be too specific, hence the repetitive comments about Brainy finding ship parts? Oh, and don’t have Kol be the home of the Zoo Crew. smile

I didn’t find anything more on a sequel the last time I searched either. I think there are a few strong hints in the story. The story on Kol is self-contained enough that it can sit there waiting for that sequel.

Originally Posted by cramer
Originally Posted by thoth


Despite Jhodan telling Brainy that Kol did not need their help, the UP has vaccinated the world by satellite. Despite Jhodan telling Brainy that he must never return to the world, the Coluan immediately volunteers himself for an expedition that Desai is launching to visit.


This may have been meant as benign, but it certainly illustrated that the U.P. - with Earth the driving force - pretty much does what it wants with unclaimed planets.


That’s one of the key things from the story too. It links back to the Imskian separatist story from earlier years, through to later tension in the reboot years.


Originally Posted by cramer
[quote=thoth] The development of Dawnstar’s character was significant. This was a moment of real potential for her, as she launched into the opening issue of Crisis. Her relationship with Drake was challenged. A knock-on effect from this story should have seen some changes in him too. With the try out issue coming, as well as a trans time Crisis, it should have been a strong time for Wildfire too.
Their last scene in this issue was as powerful as anything in this era.
Dawnstar underwent a major change in her life, so to drop that plot is particularly disappointing. Well, maybe it wasn't entirely dropped. Maybe her physical relationship with Jhodan encouraged her later to try and have some physical relationship with Drake. However, she seems to fall back into the Wildfire partnership pretty easily. You're right that Drake should also have changed. The two just seem to fall back together; maybe other options just proved too challenging.


There’s a lot here that should have pushed Dawny (and Drake) forward into new stories. It’s certainly a missed opportunity for both characters. Drake is also missing opportunities through the need for members in the Baxter issues too.

Originally Posted by HWW
Newell’s interview in The Legion Companion is most insightful. She made a lot of mistakes in writing this story that novice writers often make (and which I’ve made more than a few time): trying to say so much in her story that it lacks a clear focus and resolution. I commend her for her ambitious aims in writing this story. I also commend DC for giving her the chance to write a three-issue tale, even though, by her own admission, she wasn’t ready. And there is a lot of good in the wrap-up, even though it doesn’t wrap up everything.


It's a very open interview. I agree that there’s a lack of focus just before the end, although the final actions of the characters were locked in well enough. There’s more hits than misses in the story. Quite a few more actually, which pushes it well above a lot of what DC has put out since.

One thing Newell should also be given credit for is having her first major story be an extended spotlight issue. The Legion’s ensemble cast meant it could have characters with cardboard personalities for a lot of its early years. It can easily be a very plot driven book. It was before Levitz got there, and again once he was no longer involved. Even later spotlight issues were often used to retcon some origins, such as the Star Boy issue or Wildfire. Newell does none of that, instead choosing to push Dawnstar forward. Despite a few rough edges, there’s some things much more experienced writers could be taking away from this story.

Originally Posted by HWW
For me, the biggest takeaway is that Dawnstar has indeed changed because of the story. I didn’t pick up on the carefully couched references to her having sex with Jhodan—and, even now, the wording is vague enough to pass the Comics Code.


Ah, the code. On the recent HQ diagram, if you weren’t married, you got your own distinct quarters on the map. That is where the diagram was definitively saying that you would find your characters. Even if they’d actually been shacked up with someone down the corridor for several years in the book. Poor Chuck didn’t even get to share with Lu. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
I don’t think this lesson is meant to reflect just the physical sense. Jhodan is a very different man than Wildfire: someone who looks after her without talking down to her, who demonstrates intelligence and thoughtfulness, and who is willing to sacrifice everything—even his love for her—for her freedom. Drake has never exhibited any of these qualities. At best, he’s come off as clingy and condescending. Even during their brief reunion, he focuses on his own needs and not on what she’s been through.


It's a shame for Drake that writers didn’t use this story as a push for him to try and address a lot of those issues, instead choosing to keep him in his character box (or containment box) going forward. It’s even more of a shame than Dawny got dragged into that too.

Originally Posted by HWW
(Ironically, the cover shows several Kol natives bowing before a statue of Dawnstar—a scene which doesn’t happen in the story. Perhaps Newell had intended for Dawny to be worshipped as a goddess in the never-to-be sequel.)


That’s an interesting spot. I could easily have seen a Angel of Kol sort of storyline take shape. Perhaps Marv Wolfman was reading this and used it to shape his Azrael plot when he joined Brother Blood.

Originally Posted by HWW
Brainiac 5 doesn’t change—and that’s fine; this is really a one-character story. Brainy serves the needs of the plot, mostly in good ways which honor the truth of his character (such as spouting medical jargon while attending Ina—good move, Nurse Mindy!). The plot also forces Brainy into some less convincing roles, such as his intolerant rant over Jhodan’s intolerance. Brainy has been on enough missions with the Legion to know how varied cultures can be. Did he also not learn that calling people ignorant and foolish is not a good way to win them over? Worse, it could alienate the very people he needs as allies.

I’m all for Brainy expressing a bit of condescension towards dogma as well as magic (as he later does during the Magic Wars), but his open hostility toward Jhodan and the others doesn’t ring true.


We have seen Brainy be quite short with people over the years. But there’s little doubt that it did go over the line into writer’s sock puppet on this occasion. As you mention, Jhodan’s words when assaulting Brainy didn’t quite match up either. These are probably the two weakest moments, and I see you also think of them as your biggest gripe. Oh, and Dawny going a bit possessed by the wrath of Kol. That all three happen in the same issue suggests that the pacing/ plotting wasn’t quite right.

Originally Posted by HWW
I was waiting for some revelation that the atmosphere of Kol or the hidden god him/herself was somehow manipulating people’s emotions and forcing them to act in bizarre ways. But such a revelation never comes. The real explanation is probably that Newell (who said in the interview that she’d never had a formal writing class) did not know how to let the characters reveal themselves without forcing them to meet the needs of the plot.


“But I do remember Karen saying to me “What do you do?” “I’m a nurse.” “Did you ever take any writing classes?” I said “Yeah, y’know, one or two.” Although enjoying writing, Newell just hadn’t done anything professionally at that point.

The tone of Newell’s set up was a little different to what you’d get in a lot of books. A lot of folks would have revealed more about the spacecraft. Others might have drafted the history of humanity’s exodus from Earth, before being tackled by Crisis Wolfman in the corridor. Roy Thomas would have charted the course of every JSA artefact out into the stars. There are lots of ways of executing this.
What we get is very Empire Strikes Back where the cast look out a viewport telling us that the search for Han has begun, without hitting us over the head with teasers for the next movie. And that’s a Leigh Brackett script, so that’s as valid an approach as any. (Leigh Brackett > Ed Hamilton >Legion!)

Here, Brainy wants to go back and soon. Dawny also wants to go back. Actually, she’s looking out a viewport too! So, that’s the two principles looking for a lot of questions to be answered. Newell’s also quite up for the sequel. It’s sort of poised at half way.

Originally Posted by HWW
I mentioned how the first part of the story reminded me of the Star Trek episode, “The Omega Glory.” In the conclusion, I see echoes of other episodes, as well. Many of these ideas are based on tropes (the humans’ bacteria proves fatal to aliens, the planet turns out to be the remains of a spaceship, connections to earth’s violent past since the 20th century are mentioned, religious intolerance prevents people from accepting scientific solutions to their problems). I can only assume that Newell drew from the same well I did as a fledgling writer—Star Trek and other mainstream sources—because I, too, thought they were original and did not understand the larger literary context.


It’s fun reading old short sci-fi stories and realising the impact they would have on popular culture, whether lifted-and-dropped or just unconsciously taken from the well.

Originally Posted by HWW
Another example of this reliance on mainstream material appears at the end when the UP takes it upon itself to vaccinate the inhabitants of Kol without their knowledge. It’s an act of mercy, sure, but also one of arrogance and the unquestioned belief that advanced cultures know best for less advanced ones—an attitude that can be found in several episodes of Star Trek and other TV shows of the time.


Yeah, they should have shown Desai only order the vaccination after the UP had determined that Kol’s assets were worth plundering, like the real world. smile Actually, that’s probably what they decided after reviewing the reel. In the sequel Rand will have been promised power. In turn, Rand will offer the people change. The only concession will be a few giant mines, drilling into the Heart of Kol. What could go wrong? smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Newell brings in a lot of fresh ideas to revitalize the characters and their universe—and there’s never anything wrong with that.


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He Who Wanders Down Comics Memory Lane

A back up in Thunder Agents #2 paired up Keith Giffen with… Tom & Mary Bierbaum!

You buying this one helped forge that TMK team HWW!

I did eventually get the Thunder Agents book, as it has Perez art. It also has Cockrum art and stories by Englehart and Dann Thomas too. I don’t know if I’ve actually read it. I remember b&w reprints of the original series that I was probably reading around the time of your list.

A quick search tells me that Avengers #255 was leading up to key events with the Vision. I’d only heard about that when it was mentioned in the West Coast Avengers run of John Byrne. John Byrne was also the artist on four Captain America (also on your list) comics I just got around the 250 mark. The writer on those was Roger Stern who wrote that Avengers #255!

I also noticed New Defenders. Was that leading towards the end of that series? I remember enjoying the art and a bit of a darker storyline leading up to the end of that one. I’d get some of those some 6 years after you.

Originally Posted by Blacula
I'm sensing you weren't a big fan of 'The Trial of the Flash' HWW

[quote=HWW]As I recall, Blacula, the trial went on way too long and the art (by Carmine Infantino?) wasn't very good.[/quote


I guess Bates, who had been told of the books Crisis cancellation well before this, saw the big ending and padded out/ added several issues to get there. One plus point was that for readers who dipped in and out of the title, there was always the touchstone of that trial.
Originally Posted by thoth lad


“But I do remember Karen saying to me “What do you do?” “I’m a nurse.” “Did you ever take any writing classes?” I said “Yeah, y’know, one or two.” Although enjoying writing, Newell just hadn’t done anything professionally at that point.


Newell contradicts herself. Later she says, "I think in some ways it was too easy for me, 'cause everything just sort of happened. I mean, I never really took a class in writing" (p. 156, middle column). The "one or two" comment might have been b.s., which she admits to using when Len Wein entered the office.

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The tone of Newell’s set up was a little different to what you’d get in a lot of books. A lot of folks would have revealed more about the spacecraft. Others might have drafted the history of humanity’s exodus from Earth, before being tackled by Crisis Wolfman in the corridor. Roy Thomas would have charted the course of every JSA artefact out into the stars. There are lots of ways of executing this.
What we get is very Empire Strikes Back where the cast look out a viewport telling us that the search for Han has begun, without hitting us over the head with teasers for the next movie. And that’s a Leigh Brackett script, so that’s as valid an approach as any. (Leigh Brackett > Ed Hamilton >Legion!)


All true. I shudder to think of what Roy Thomas might have done to this story. smile

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He Who Wanders Down Comics Memory Lane

A back up in Thunder Agents #2 paired up Keith Giffen with… Tom & Mary Bierbaum!


Interesting. I didn't remember that. Is that the backup in which Lightning reveals that his super-speed accelerates his aging?

THUNDER Agents is another series I wish I had given more of a chance. I only bought the first two issues, but that story of the terrible consequences of super-speed has stayed with me over the years.

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You buying this one helped forge that TMK team HWW!


It's great to have played a small role in Legion history. wink

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A quick search tells me that Avengers #255 was leading up to key events with the Vision. I’d only heard about that when it was mentioned in the West Coast Avengers run of John Byrne. John Byrne was also the artist on four Captain America (also on your list) comics I just got around the 250 mark. The writer on those was Roger Stern who wrote that Avengers #255!


Connections, connections, connections. smile

. . . or Six Degrees of Roger Stern?

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I also noticed New Defenders. Was that leading towards the end of that series? I remember enjoying the art and a bit of a darker storyline leading up to the end of that one. I’d get some of those some 6 years after you.


New Defenders ran until # 152. I also fondly remember the somewhat darker, moodier take on the series, with a revamped lineup that included three original members of the X-Men. Angel's girlfriend, Candy Sothern was made the team's non-powered leader in another unusual move.

According to Wikipedia, the series was cancelled to make room on the schedule for X-Factor (and to free up the three X-Men to join that team). Up to this time, I loved the idea that the storylines in the Marvel Universe progressed and that characters moved on with their lives while still maintaining the close friendships they once had, such as Angel, Beast, and Iceman. When X-Factor was launched--complete with the resurrection of Jean Grey--that forward progression was halted, I felt. It was the beginning of my disillusionment with Marvel.

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I guess Bates, who had been told of the books Crisis cancellation well before this, saw the big ending and padded out/ added several issues to get there. One plus point was that for readers who dipped in and out of the title, there was always the touchstone of that trial.


DC, as I recall, was very much into honoring anniversary issues--more so than Marvel--so the plan may have been to end The Flash with # 350, which is what happened. Unfortunately, the storyline was drawn out too long to make this happen.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth lad


&#147;But I do remember Karen saying to me &#147;What do you do?&#148; &#147;I&#146;m a nurse.&#148; &#147;Did you ever take any writing classes?&#148; I said &#147;Yeah, y&#146;know, one or two.&#148; Although enjoying writing, Newell just hadn&#146;t done anything professionally at that point.


Newell contradicts herself. Later she says, "I think in some ways it was too easy for me, 'cause everything just sort of happened. I mean, I never really took a class in writing" (p. 156, middle column). The "one or two" comment might have been b.s., which she admits to using when Len Wein entered the office.


Thanks. I meant to take that line out of my post, which is why it's sitting there with no context. I was sure I'd read your version, but only saw the one I used when I was skimming it. As Newell enjoyed writing well before her breakthrough, perhaps she'd dabbled in the odd thing, without it being a formal course. The middle ground between the two quotes. There was certainly more than enough in her pitch to get her into the Talent Showcase.


Originally Posted by HWW
All true. I shudder to think of what Roy Thomas might have done to this story. smile


Considering that two of his books are in your top ten for the month and a third is at #16, I think you'd have been thrilled. smile It would certainly have had plus points.

Originally Posted by thoth
Originally Posted by HWW


A back up in Thunder Agents #2 paired up Keith Giffen with&#133; Tom & Mary Bierbaum!


Interesting. I didn't remember that. Is that the backup in which Lightning reveals that his super-speed accelerates his aging?

THUNDER Agents is another series I wish I had given more of a chance. I only bought the first two issues, but that story of the terrible consequences of super-speed has stayed with me over the years.


Issue #1 showed that there was an ageing effect on him, due to the suit. Issue #2 by TMK showed him take off a young looking mask, to reveal a much older face. There was a another story in #2 which showed that Lightning was suffering from some serious health issues.

As the trial of the Flash continues, I'm just thinking about how that turned out for the Flash in Crisis. Also, about the power effects that Wally West was undergoing as Kid Flash around this time. Strikeforce Morituri would continue this theme, beginning in 1986.

Originally Posted by HWW
Originally Posted by thoth
I also noticed New Defenders. Was that leading towards the end of that series? I remember enjoying the art and a bit of a darker storyline leading up to the end of that one. I&#146;d get some of those some 6 years after you.


New Defenders ran until # 152. I also fondly remember the somewhat darker, moodier take on the series, with a revamped lineup that included three original members of the X-Men. Angel's girlfriend, Candy Sothern was made the team's non-powered leader in another unusual move.

According to Wikipedia, the series was cancelled to make room on the schedule for X-Factor (and to free up the three X-Men to join that team). Up to this time, I loved the idea that the storylines in the Marvel Universe progressed and that characters moved on with their lives while still maintaining the close friendships they once had, such as Angel, Beast, and Iceman. When X-Factor was launched--complete with the resurrection of Jean Grey--that forward progression was halted, I felt. It was the beginning of my disillusionment with Marvel.


Thanks for that info. I'll need to have another look at the art. I remember The Gargoyle as a distinctive member, and a battle against Moondragon. I agree on X-Factor. I have a few of those early issues. I kept thinking that whatever it was supposed to have built up to never really happened. I didn't know enough about Jean Grey at the time I read those issues to realise what a mess it was. But it was, and would only get worse.
Originally Posted by thoth lad

Originally Posted by HWW
All true. I shudder to think of what Roy Thomas might have done to this story. smile


Considering that two of his books are in your top ten for the month and a third is at #16, I think you'd have been thrilled. smile It would certainly have had plus points.


A guy's allowed to change his mind. smile

I re-read some of Thomas' "classic" work--the '60s X-Men and the Kree-Skrull War--a few years ago, and I didn't think they were very good. The stories were imaginative and the plot points were there (mostly), but the dialogue was verbose, characters behaved in over-the-top ways, and, even though the events were significant, there was a sense that they existed just to get us to the next arc or issue (a common feature of Marvels in general at the time); they didn't "stand" on their own.

The Roy Thomas of the 1980s was a more mature writer, and he was working with characters he had loved since childhood. He was able to develop their personalities and worlds from the framework established by the stories of the '40s, which, I think, requires a somewhat different approach than creating everything whole cloth. Thomas excelled at "filling in the gaps" and building on what previous writers had established (especially in America Vs. JSA). It may be no coincidence that All-Star started to falter when he had to create new characters to replace those excised by Crisis. The new characters effectively thrust the Golden Age heroes into a "new" universe, one which engaged me less than the previous universe.

That said, I remember Thomas still being verbose during All-Star, Infinity Inc., etc.

Of course, all of this is speculation. I haven't re-read the All-Star output in many years; if I did, I might have an altogether different opinion.

I'm sure Thomas's take on the Kol story would have been entertaining, but it would have lacked the depth, risk-taking, and freshness Newell brought.


Originally Posted by thoth


Issue #1 [of THUNDER Agents] showed that there was an ageing effect on him, due to the suit. Issue #2 by TMK showed him take off a young looking mask, to reveal a much older face. There was a another story in #2 which showed that Lightning was suffering from some serious health issues.


Thanks for that information. I remember the youthful-looking mask now.


LSH #11 Taking Care of Business: Old Business by Paul Levitz, art by Ernie Colon & Larry Mahlstedt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Garth, Imra and Rokk talk together, after an all-member Legion meeting, about staying with or leaving the Legion. Baby Graym is in tow.

At SP headquarters, Zendak complains about paperwork, learns that Dvron has made no progress on the Laurel Kent shooting and meets with Sun Boy, who wants to discuss Gigi Cusimano.

The three founders (and Graym) travel to Glacier Point, an Antarctic prison. Rokk and Garth destroy several security drones which have failed to recognize them, since the codes are out of date.

President Desai finishes his inaugural ceremony and promises big changes.

In Antarctica, the founders find the two men who they stopped from assassinating R.J. Brande, thereby creating the Legion. They have been serving hard labour sentences but are to be released this day. They don't recognize the Legionnaires but attack them out of anger regardless, and will receive psychic rehab before final release.

At Legion HQ, Chuck mans the Monitor Board. Superboy tells him that he might rejoin the Legion and Chuck informs him that history says otherwise and he would face stiff competition from other applicants.

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Pretty dull as stories go. The founders decision to stay or leave is drawn out for yet another issue. It's nicely written dialogue for three old friends musing over their past and future, but even with a weekly reading this decision is taking a long time. Not that it wouldn't in real life, but one expects a faster pace in comics.

The various sub-plots, the Laurel Kent investigation, Dirk discussing Gigi, Desai's promises, new members are all pretty vague and serve more as reminders than advances in those stories.

The R.J. assassination attempt has been told many times. The version I prefer is the single assassin, his cousin Doyle, not these two unnamed memory-less characters. I don't quite get the point of them having no memory of the Legionnaires. We don't know what their motive was either. Hired killers? Personal resentment? The very concept of this particular prison, while visually interesting, is strange for a Legion book. The Legionnaires are surprised that the convicts perform hard labour in difficult conditions. Perhaps it's meant to indicate that prison conditions leave something to be desired, even in the future. Although they're subjected to psychic rehab, the prisoners are angry - there's no indication that they're about to become productive, peaceful citizens on release. Releasing the prisoners themselves closes a chapter for Imra, Garth and Rokk, but it's a peculiar way to do that.

Nevertheless, a few points to enjoy:

Imra is the practical one vs the action-oriented Rokk and Garth: she just opens the prison gate. She also displays appropriate concern for the baby while the guys are blasting security drones to pieces.

The pinching baby joke is well done and not overplayed. I do wonder if Graym is delivering little electrical shocks.

The opening page, with all the Legionnaires flying off after their meeting, is a great splash page. Of note: Dawnstar and Wildfire are apart, for once; there's an Ayla-Vi-Brin grouping, which might raise a question of whether a triangle is developing; the other regular couples fly together.

Rokk's face in the hourglass is meant to show the passing of time for them as Legionnaires, but shouts Time Trapper to me now.

(Second story to follow later in the week, unless someone wants to deal with it now.)
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Although this is a fill in issue, drawn by Ernie Colón, it does take one of the ongoing subplots as its basis. Likewise, although the splash page is just a group shot (Dawny going in a different direction from Drake for the first time in ever) there’s a reason of sorts given. The three founders have been discussing their place on the team for some time. Garth and Imra have a newborn. While they have lost a child, when Darkseid stole it away to become Validus, the one they have seems to be some time displaced version of Holdur, judging by the grip it has. In a constitution bound team of tradition, this must come across as a big change. It’s been going on for ages, as each of the founders begins to wonder about a transition to something else.

In fairness, I can’t think of any other comic at the time where heroes would retire from active service. Decades later, it would be used as the basis for Legion writers Abnett and Lanning’s Hypernaturals.

Imra: The Legion might grow better without us.

Rokk: I doubt it.

He would be right. There would be dark days following their departure. He would lead the Legion again in v4 and Imra would return to active duty before the end of v3.

There’s a one page scene where Dirk burns arrest papers. It’s reckless of him. It surely won’t help him in his chat over Cusimano. Not that we find out anything more. Is it payback for her payback? Other than surprise at them still having paperwork, and the hint of a v4 probe there’s nothing in this scene.

In addition to the numerous scenes of Rokk discussing his future, and then Garth and Imra doing likewise, all three have been kept apart from the team for quite some time. Other characters, such as Nura have been given more panel time. I do get the feeling this was a long term plan of Levitz. He’s allowed a new cast of core characters to have more panel time, to let the changes seem more natural.

Another example of the three reaching a “natural” end to their tenure is the release of the would-be assassins who tried to kill Brande in the Legion’s origin. The three founders are the ones to tell the prisoners that their sentences are at an end. They find the pair as they work on an Antarctic wasteland. Both men seem almost brainwashed. There’s mention of psychic rehabilitation. It seems the hard labour goes in hand with mind altering treatments on the prisoners. Their criminal tendencies are broken down and erased. It might not leave much, but they are supposedly built back up to enable them to reenter society. It’s the sort of thing Uli Algor would be immune to in the old days. The Legion seem impressed by it. But changing someone’s mind forcibly is open to all sorts of corruption, never mind the ethics of it in the first place.

In a nice twist the pair don’t even recognise the Legionnaires. It a little surprising we don’t get a recap of the team’s origin, or find out who the assassins were working for. I could normally do without another recap of how the team started. But there hasn’t actually been one in the Baxter run. This would have been a good time for a little reminder. The issue has a small cameo of the team’s inspiration as Superboy visits. While the Baxter book was showcasing the Legion standing on its own, a little reminder wouldn’t have gone amiss, since transition is a theme of the issue.

Superboy teases that he might return to active duty along with Garth and Imra. Usually the past has plenty of blank spots for the Legion. But Chuck is very sure Superboy never rejoins, closing a very big door on future stories. Of course, behind the scenes Crisis and the Superman relaunch was going to make sure that Superboy wouldn’t be back in the team. Actually, I’m wondering if next issue will be his last.

Seeing Chuck bounce around talking about the fate of Kal-El is a chilling foreshadowing of a scene in v7 #23, the team’s final issue to date.

So, we see our two prisoners shuffle off looking a bit broken and waiting to be rebuilt. As the sentences of the prisoners are over there’s a feeling from the three founders that their, if not sentence, but duty is over too. There’s a decent feeling of closure here, which was probably the thing being reached for. Imra and Garth might have returned to active duty, but their look indicates it might not be for long.

To make the passage of time even more visual, Colon shows us an hourglass with the young Legionnaires making their debut to Cos talking to the others now. It’s such a good image it would be used for a cover in v4 #5.

So the story has a feeling of decisions being made, and old faces; founders, Superboy and prisoners moving on to a new lives in a world that will have new Legionnaires.

But there’s a whole other layer to this story, to Levitz’s credit. The whole main plot also feeds directly into the other subplot in this issue. Under the guise of driving for a brighter, more prosperous Earth, President Desai tells the assembly that key institutional values must change. The repercussions are chilling. It all looks so promising and fulfilling, but there are shadows creeping in on Earths’ freedoms. It seems a little unlikely that Desai would push for huge changes all at one. But it has happened often enough here. It seems that the computer selected President has a great deal of power.

A quick peek out at our own world shows plenty of leaders (ugh!) willing to use all sorts of mechanisms to achieve, and hold onto, power. None of them are good ones. In this issue we’ve learned that minds of criminals can be altered to make them docile and programmable. Of course, the definition of who is a criminal can change as the law does and as the lawmakers/ tyrants decide. Let’s hope the President isn’t mixed up with someone who could use mind altering treatments that we’ve just seen used on the Legion’s first prisoners. smile

There’s more depth to this issue than it first appeared to have. It could have been a trip down memory lane to the Legion’s origin. It focused more on the passage of time since that origin instead, that will lead into the membership changes. But the whole thing also acted as a set up for a much longer arc.
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I’m going to go ahead and discuss both stories because there isn’t much to either one. It’s an odd issue, with the first story serving as springboard to the second—but, really, nothing much is accomplished here.

It seems like Levitz wanted to spend some quality time with the Founders, these old friends, before shuffling them off into retirement. What stands out is the relationship between Garth, Imra, and Rokk—the friendship, the shared history. They are (pun not intended) the rock of the Legion, the Holy Trinity, the Jagger & Richards, the Frey and Henley . . . the irreducible core of the team. Yet this core wants to move on to other things. Each feels the pangs of young adulthood. The club they formed so long ago no longer serves their own needs, and it’s time to explore life outside the Legion—the organization that has defined their existence for at least half of their young lives.

It's hard to leave, though, so no decisions are reached in this story. In hindsight, however, we know where this is going, where it must go. At the time, I couldn’t imagine anybody wanting to be anything other than a Legionnaire (or a member of a rock band, to draw on a real-world equivalent). I would have died to join the Legion or some other group where people were valued for their individual talents yet part of a collective that served some worthwhile purpose. Fitting in is a powerful motivator to adolescents and is one reason, I understand, why young people become radicalized. They are seduced into thinking they will find a “family” that their real families and friends failed to provide for them.

The Legion often served as my “family” in this regard.

So, it’s somewhat bittersweet to read about the three Founders laying plans to move on yet sharing in one last grand adventure together. Except it’s not so grand nor even an adventure. To fulfill their own need for nostalgia, perhaps, or closure, they travel to the Antarctica prison to participate—marginally—in the release of the two hired guns who led to them coming together as the Legion in the first place. But these hired guns don’t even recognize them. There’s no a-ha moment, as occurred when Batman—wearing the Halloween costume of his father—confronted Lew Moxon, the thug who hired Joe Chill to kill his parents. There’s nothing. The Founders’ foray to Antarctica is a self-indulgent trip for nothing.

Eight years after this issue was published, the bridge crew of the original Star Trek series would go on its final mission together. The film ends with Kirk directing the helm to take the first star on the left, “thataway.” There was a sense of closure—a leisurely trip to end the long journey of these old friends. I get the sense this is what Levitz was shooting for, but it just doesn’t come together.

There is no plot. Nothing changes. No one learns anything. No one grows. At its core, every story should include this element—something is different than it was at the beginning of the story. Otherwise, what is the point?

I guess the point is that “times change” (Imra’s last line), but we already knew that.

In lieu of a point, we get a one-page bridge in which Bouncing Boy entertains a shadowy guest who turns out to be Superboy. A hint is dropped that, from a historical perspective, Superboy never rejoins the Legion as a full-time member. There are all sorts of time paradoxes with this one (e.g., doesn’t telling Superboy he will never rejoin the Legion already change history?), but never mind. It’s just a setup for Bouncing Boy’s solo story.

The new-style Giffen artwork is jarring after the attractive images and inventive layouts of Ernie Colon, but it fits the odd contortions of Chuck’s rubbery body and the Valley Girl alien-ness of Comet Queen. Especially effective is the 10-panel sequence on Page 4, when Chuck listens with polite confusion as Comet Queen’s mouth dominates alternate panels, prattling on in what to him amounts to a foreign language. This is one of the few instances I can think of when Giffen’s sense of humor actually works. (Chuck, like Tenz, is made for Giffen’s off-the-wall humor.)

Chuck narrates the story of how he discovered Comet Queen and recruited her to the Legion Academy. It’s all a setup for us to expect CQ to join the Legion in the next few issues, but this doesn’t come to pass, making this pretty much a wasted origin story. It would be redeemed if we saw something heroic in CQ, but we don’t. It’s Chuck who saves the day by directing CQ to use her “comet-like gases” to short-circuit the machine. Furthermore, CQ’s origin—diving naked into a comet to acquire powers—should qualify her for the psychiatric ward on Medicus One, not the Legion Academy. However, it does establish her as someone who takes her Legion hero worship seriously (the comet episode was inspired by Star Boy’s origin), as do many fans. I guess we are meant to relate to CQ because she is “one of us.”

This story reminds me of the first Chuck solo story I ever read, “The Impossible Target” from Superboy # 199. That story has become a favorite of mine over the years for its simple message that, whatever his power, Chuck was as effective as any Legionnaire. The story in # 11 fails to convey anything of similar profundity. It ends on a punchline with Chuck saying he was worried about keeping CQ off him and admitting that having a two-in-one wife “is too much for me.” This tells me nothing about CQ or Chuck, except that the latter is rather full of himself –appropriate since he is also filling himself with food.

“The Impossible Target” undermined our stereotypes of who Chuck is and what he could do. “New Business” merely reinforces them.

LSH 11 is the second issue in a row that isn’t a story—just a collection of scenes. Some of these scenes are very good, but, without a structure to hold them together, I’m left feeling that I’ve been taken on a journey and dropped off in an out-of-the-way motel with no idea how to reach my destination.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

Pretty dull as stories go. The founders decision to stay or leave is drawn out for yet another issue. It's nicely written dialogue for three old friends musing over their past and future, but even with a weekly reading this decision is taking a long time. Not that it wouldn't in real life, but one expects a faster pace in comics.


Indeed. One of the hard lessons I had to learn about writing is that stories are not like real life. Someone once said that fiction is like real life with the dull parts edited out. This is good advice to all writers.


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The R.J. assassination attempt has been told many times. The version I prefer is the single assassin, his cousin Doyle, not these two unnamed memory-less characters. I don't quite get the point of them having no memory of the Legionnaires. We don't know what their motive was either. Hired killers? Personal resentment? The very concept of this particular prison, while visually interesting, is strange for a Legion book. The Legionnaires are surprised that the convicts perform hard labour in difficult conditions. Perhaps it's meant to indicate that prison conditions leave something to be desired, even in the future. Although they're subjected to psychic rehab, the prisoners are angry - there's no indication that they're about to become productive, peaceful citizens on release. Releasing the prisoners themselves closes a chapter for Imra, Garth and Rokk, but it's a peculiar way to do that.


The two thugs were hired by Doyle, which I believe was established in the Legion's origin story in Superboy # 147. Doyle was revealed in Secrets of the LSH to have died in prison.

I wasn't sure where the loss of memory angle was going, either. I thought the Founders would discover something unethical going on at the Antarctica prison and step in to stop it. But that doesn't happen. I guess we're meant to conclude that the prisoners' behavior is just part of the mental reprogramming we've seen criminals go through before, but it does leave us with disturbing implications. The thugs must have known at one time who the three Legionnaires were and their own role in sparking the formation of the Legion. Are criminals not allowed to watch the news in the Antarctica prison? Other prisoners would surely not have allowed them to forget.

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The pinching baby joke is well done and not overplayed. I do wonder if Graym is delivering little electrical shocks.


Ha! Hadn't thought about that. smile

Originally Posted by thoth
In fairness, I can’t think of any other comic at the time where heroes would retire from active service.


The JSA retired in the early '50s, but the entire team retired--not just individual members. It was indeed a unique angle in comics that the founders of the team retired and expected the team to continue without them.

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Imra: The Legion might grow better without us.

Rokk: I doubt it.


This seemed like an odd comment since Rokk has alluded that that's exactly what he wants to happen. Maybe he can't resist a good comeback.

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But there’s a whole other layer to this story, to Levitz’s credit. The whole main plot also feeds directly into the other subplot in this issue. Under the guise of driving for a brighter, more prosperous Earth, President Desai tells the assembly that key institutional values must change. The repercussions are chilling. It all looks so promising and fulfilling, but there are shadows creeping in on Earths’ freedoms. It seems a little unlikely that Desai would push for huge changes all at one. But it has happened often enough here. It seems that the computer selected President has a great deal of power.


Reading it now, Desai's speech is indeed chilling. It made me think of JFK's speech, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." But we've also had decades of presidents telling us this or that must be sacrificed for the common good. And not just presidents say this. Dictators are fond of this kind of rhetoric, too. Knowing who one of Desai's key advisors is provides an additional chilling subtext.

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A quick peek out at our own world shows plenty of leaders (ugh!) willing to use all sorts of mechanisms to achieve, and hold onto, power. None of them are good ones. In this issue we’ve learned that minds of criminals can be altered to make them docile and programmable. Of course, the definition of who is a criminal can change as the law does and as the lawmakers/ tyrants decide. Let’s hope the President isn’t mixed up with someone who could use mind altering treatments that we’ve just seen used on the Legion’s first prisoners. smile


Yep. I don't know if Levitz intended for us to draw connections between Desai's speech and the reprogramming of criminals. If he did, he's a brilliant writer (or an overly subtle one. smile )

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There’s more depth to this issue than it first appeared to have. It could have been a trip down memory lane to the Legion’s origin. It focused more on the passage of time since that origin instead, that will lead into the membership changes. But the whole thing also acted as a set up for a much longer arc.


Good points. I just wish there had been an actual story. When you have to wait months or years for a plotline to bear fruit, there should be something else to make the in-between trips worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Cramer
It's nicely written dialogue for three old friends musing over their past and future, but even with a weekly reading this decision is taking a long time. Not that it wouldn't in real life, but one expects a faster pace in comics.


I don’t know if it’s knowing how things turn out, or being used to different levels of pacing, but this one could have been shortened on the planner.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The various sub-plots, the Laurel Kent investigation, Dirk discussing Gigi, Desai's promises, new members are all pretty vague and serve more as reminders than advances in those stories.


Very true, although a parallel to the Desai plot dawned on me. The rest are just holding in place. That could be due to the shorter story length so we can learn more about Comet Queen though.
Originally Posted by Cramer
The R.J. assassination attempt has been told many times. The version I prefer is the single assassin, his cousin Doyle, not these two unnamed memory-less characters. I don't quite get the point of them having no memory of the Legionnaires. We don't know what their motive was either. Hired killers? Personal resentment?


I would read about this in flashbacks well before I ever read the actual origin issue. What always struck me about it was that, other than the founding of the team, there were few plot threads leading from it. This is probably because it was a retcon and the story served its main purpose. If it were done from scratch… well, I suppose I’ll have to wait for the Postboot Rereads. smile

With the origin in mind, it was possibly too late to have an espionage thriller here, as they uncover something about the team’s origins. Actually, no. It wouldn’t be too late. That would have made for a much more interesting subplot. smile Likewise, this story could have been done through RJ Brande visiting the prisoners, having spoken with the founders and learning of their decisions. We could have learned something new, or had a few plot seeds sown. This story serves its purpose, just as the origin issue did. Two would be assassins dealt with by three people, firstly in a small skirmish and finally in a back water prison.

Originally Posted by HWW
So, it’s somewhat bittersweet to read about the three Founders laying plans to move on yet sharing in one last grand adventure together. Except it’s not so grand nor even an adventure. To fulfill their own need for nostalgia, perhaps, or closure, they travel to the Antarctica prison to participate—marginally—in the release of the two hired guns who led to them coming together as the Legion in the first place. But these hired guns don’t even recognize them. There’s no a-ha moment, as occurred when Batman—wearing the Halloween costume of his father—confronted Lew Moxon, the thug who hired Joe Chill to kill his parents. There’s nothing. The Founders’ foray to Antarctica is a self-indulgent trip for nothing.


You mention the closure of the visit, and that is really the point. Oddly enough, despite having heard Rokk go on and on about his plans and shaking things up, it’s Imra and Garth who take Rokk there to make their point. I think it’s taken Rokk a lot of convincing to get to this stage, hence all those issues. It took Imra and Garth five minutes with their newborn for them to really make up theirs. Perhaps Levitz even used some of those earlier hints to test the water of the readership? The Legion has jettisoned Kryptonians, moved to a Baxter book and is looking to change the team. Perhaps Levitz was aware of the implications of losing the founders as well on the book.

Using the subplot pages we’ve had to reveal something dramatic about the origins of the team would have been nice. But if there was only one short story left to do it, I’d prefer what we got to someone popping out of nowhere in a Bizarro costume claiming “Me No Create Justice League!” smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Although they're subjected to psychic rehab, the prisoners are angry - there's no indication that they're about to become productive, peaceful citizens on release. Releasing the prisoners themselves closes a chapter for Imra, Garth and Rokk, but it's a peculiar way to do that.


I imagine that they will only be released after their further psychological treatments. Treatment that will instil the values of the society they will be re-entering. Imagine you took the values of your country in the 1950s and used that as a template to use for prisoner treatments now. In other words, the values of a society change very rapidly. Not to mention all the other things that will have been added to make them docile and conformist to authority.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Rokk's face in the hourglass is meant to show the passing of time for them as Legionnaires, but shouts Time Trapper to me now.


Good Spot! So many signs!

Originally Posted by HWW
I would have died to join the Legion or some other group where people were valued for their individual talents yet part of a collective that served some worthwhile purpose. Fitting in is a powerful motivator to adolescents and is one reason, I understand, why young people become radicalized. They are seduced into thinking they will find a “family” that their real families and friends failed to provide for them.

The Legion often served as my “family” in this regard.


Thanks for sharing that HWW. It’s always interesting to find out how the book connects with people and how much it can mean to them.

Originally Posted by HWW
There is no plot. Nothing changes. No one learns anything. No one grows. At its core, every story should include this element—something is different than it was at the beginning of the story. Otherwise, what is the point?


I think that there’s certainly some sense of closure of this part of the Legion’s story, even if it’s mostly confirmation of subplots we’ve had running for a while. The change, each time, is a gradual one towards deciding to leave. They’re closer each time, and tying it to the team’s origin makes this one a larger step than most. But I agree there should have been a more decisive moment at the end here, to cement that step.

Originally Posted by HWW
Originally Posted by thoth
A quick peek out at our own world shows plenty of leaders (ugh!) willing to use all sorts of mechanisms to achieve, and hold onto, power. None of them are good ones. In this issue we’ve learned that minds of criminals can be altered to make them docile and programmable. Of course, the definition of who is a criminal can change as the law does and as the lawmakers/ tyrants decide. Let’s hope the President isn’t mixed up with someone who could use mind altering treatments that we’ve just seen used on the Legion’s first prisoners. Smile


Yep. I don't know if Levitz intended for us to draw connections between Desai's speech and the reprogramming of criminals. If he did, he's a brilliant writer (or an overly subtle one. smile )


The sound of the penny dropping in my head made me think it was deliberate. It’s one of those in his tenure where I wonder what else I’m missing just romping through the rereads. However, I don’t recall a direct link between this and later issues, so we’ll see. All the pieces are here though. The price of this is that some stories in isolation look to be a little static, because they are really part of a larger structure. The trick is to give each layer suitable payoffs along the way.

Originally Posted by HWW
Good points. I just wish there had been an actual story. When you have to wait months or years for a plotline to bear fruit, there should be something else to make the in-between trips worthwhile.


I agree. A lot of UK writers who began working for DC Comics around this time were bred on anthology comics where there had to be a weekly payoff, whether as a standalone or as part of a larger arc. So the plot would have to push every six or seven pages. Pretty much perfect for a Levitz Legion. While very often action packed, it didn’t always have to be, as Alan Moore showed with Halo Jones for example. There was plenty of scope to provide meaningful, poignant stories, but ones with more drive than the meandering founder one here. The Legion would see that sort of structure at work in the early arcs of Abnett & Lanning.
Originally Posted by HWW
The two thugs were hired by Doyle, which I believe was established in the Legion's origin story in Superboy # 147. Doyle was revealed in Secrets of the LSH to have died in prison.

I wasn't sure where the loss of memory angle was going, either. I thought the Founders would discover something unethical going on at the Antarctica prison and step in to stop it. But that doesn't happen. I guess we're meant to conclude that the prisoners' behavior is just part of the mental reprogramming we've seen criminals go through before, but it does leave us with disturbing implications. The thugs must have known at one time who the three Legionnaires were and their own role in sparking the formation of the Legion. Are criminals not allowed to watch the news in the Antarctica prison? Other prisoners would surely not have allowed them to forget.


Thanks for the background info. That makes more sense. They could have done more with the memory problem - that they were deliberately wiped by someone (as suggested by thoth, like Universo - setting up a deeper layer re: the attempt on RJ's life and future plans) or that the rehab technology went wrong and has turned them into something else, to be seen at a later date, or they're faking it for some reason.

Originally Posted by thoth
With the origin in mind, it was possibly too late to have an espionage thriller here, as they uncover something about the team’s origins. Actually, no. It wouldn’t be too late. That would have made for a much more interesting subplot. smile Likewise, this story could have been done through RJ Brande visiting the prisoners, having spoken with the founders and learning of their decisions. We could have learned something new, or had a few plot seeds sown. This story serves its purpose, just as the origin issue did. Two would be assassins dealt with by three people, firstly in a small skirmish and finally in a back water prison.


Agreed, more could have been done with this story. Bringing in RJ would have been a plus.

Originally Posted by HWW
Especially effective is the 10-panel sequence on Page 4, when Chuck listens with polite confusion as Comet Queen’s mouth dominates alternate panels, prattling on in what to him amounts to a foreign language. This is one of the few instances I can think of when Giffen’s sense of humor actually works. (Chuck, like Tenz, is made for Giffen’s off-the-wall humor.)


This was a good scene. I don't recall anyone else having trouble with or commenting on her strange language pattern.

Originally Posted by HWW
“The Impossible Target” undermined our stereotypes of who Chuck is and what he could do. “New Business” merely reinforces them.


That's my biggest problem with the story. It does show that Chuck is at ease dealing with people and the public and can figure out how to use different sentients' powers effectively (good for his Academy work). However, to leave his flight ring behind was just careless.

Originally Posted by HWW
. I guess we are meant to relate to CQ because she is “one of us.”


Great Galaxies! I hope not!
Back Up Story

Chuck shares a story with his good friend Kal. In the past, we saw how Lone Wolf reached the Academy. We quickly learned that RJ Brande hired Dawny away from her previous job. Here, we learn how Chuck met Comet Queen.

I’m trying to remember what I’d have felt about the art. I’d not have hated it as I’d been introduced to Ambush Bug quite a while before this hit the newsstands. I doubt I’d have loved the cartoony approach either. Being in an issue with the classic Colon art probably worked in it’s favour. Cartoony Giffen against shiny, bright Lightle might have been a bit more jarring.

Looking at it now, it’s a treat seeing GIffen really getting the most out of the visuals of Chuck’s powers. The expressions and movement are really nice. After the splash page, where Giffen can’t resist adding another panel, we’re back into the Levitz and Giffen story density. We get a lot of panels, anchored around the same circular one with narrator Chuck.

Chuck being a goodwill ambassador is a light hearted affair. But it’s also a nice reminder of all the work that the legion does when not fighting villains. It also fits in nicely with Chuck’s (at the time) reasonably recent role at the Academy. He can use the tour to scope out prospective students.

He’s not that impressed with the effervescent Grava though. His trouble understanding her is priceless, and it’s a payoff for having all those earlier panels. He tells her that he got rejected and then had to prove his worth to the Legion before he could join. Grava takes the hint. But Chuck’s point was that it wasn’t so straight forward to join. Grava, on the other hand, thinks that if she succeeds in something heroic, then she’ll be accepted. Chuck ungraciously refers to her as dense (in front of her dad too) it’s how Jacques, Shady, Blok and Mysa all got in. smile

There’s the one big plot fudge where Chuck hasn’t brought along his flight ring. Flight would have solved all the upcoming issues. As Chuck tackles Grava and they crash, even she’s grounded by breaking her leg (ouch!). We learn about her origin, which is a play on Star Boy’s.

Unfortunately, the ancient ruins Grava thought she was finding to prove herself, turn out to be volcanic vents. We get to see Grava’s powers at work as we’re reminded of just how tactically minded Chuck is. It’s good writing to make sure that both get their spotlight. Chuck instructs Grava to short out the venting system, preventing them from being incinerated.

Although things didn’t work out as planned, Grava does enough to prove herself worthy of a place in the Academy. As Chuck was the one who gave her the idea to go off and do something dramatic, and was the one who got her leg broken because he forgot his flight ring, it’s the least he could do.

We’re told that Comet Queen will be one of the candidates for membership at the next general meeting. It’s more of a definite statement than the founders inching towards a decision in the first story. It looks as though the plan is for both storylines to become one, which might explain a couple of the small steps along the way. It’s a shame we didn’t have a few issues with back ups showing us some of the prospective members. I imagine that readers would have thought Comet Queen would get membership, having had a whole back up spotlighting her. Time will tell.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

Originally Posted by HWW
Especially effective is the 10-panel sequence on Page 4, when Chuck listens with polite confusion as Comet Queen’s mouth dominates alternate panels, prattling on in what to him amounts to a foreign language. This is one of the few instances I can think of when Giffen’s sense of humor actually works. (Chuck, like Tenz, is made for Giffen’s off-the-wall humor.)


This was a good scene. I don't recall anyone else having trouble with or commenting on her strange language pattern.


After CQ was admitted to the Academy, perhaps Brainy reprogrammed the earplugs to accept Valleygirlese.


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Originally Posted by HWW
. I guess we are meant to relate to CQ because she is “one of us.”


Great Galaxies! I hope not!


What? You don't have the desire to sleep in a nuclear reactor? smile

If I were going to emulate any Legionnaire's origin, it would be Lyle's. He's the only one who went looking for a power and used some intelligence to do so. Nearly everyone else acquired their powers through nature, birthright, an accident, or the machinations of a villain. Even Val, who was trained from infancy, didn't really have a choice in the matter.


Originally Posted by thoth
Chuck shares a story with his good friend Kal.


Curiously, Kal does not appear in the backup story, nor is he referred to by name. I wonder if this story was commissioned and begun some time earlier, like the Orlando fill-in in #6, before it was decided to whom Chuck would be talking.


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As Chuck was the one who gave her the idea to go off and do something dramatic, and was the one who got her leg broken because he forgot his flight ring, it’s the least he could do.


Ah, that explains a lot. Guilt-trip a Legionnaire. They've come a long way since their days of callous rejections. smile


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I imagine that readers would have thought Comet Queen would get membership, having had a whole back up spotlighting her.


That was certainly my impression. She was the most distinctive of the academy students, both in appearance and personality. Her comet powers would have been very useful in battle and open to a variety of applications, much like Jan's.
If Giffen had remained on the title, I imagine she would have joined since he created her along with Levitz. We'd have ended up with a different "special student" who turned out to be Tellus and Quislet.
I've always wondered whether fan reaction affected Comet Queen's chances for membership.
I don't remember her being thought of too fondly.

A peek ahead at the lettercol for #329, that covers this issue, has only the one mention and that's a question on why she's not in Who's Who. The answer is that she'll appear under the Legion Academy setting.

Psst! I don't want to spoil things, but it's not looking good for Karate Kid in that issue!

Peeking back, no one got a mention for the Academy appearances for the lettercol covering #304 either.
Tales #324 Dark Discoveries/The Secret of the Dark Circle by Paul Levitz & Mindy Newell, art by Dan Jurgens & Karl Kesel, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by Bob Lappan

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Jo, Mysa, Lar and Gigi survey the destruction of a U.P. fleetbase/refueling station and blame the Dark Circle. Gigi claims there was only one attacker and it was Dev-Em. Lar and Jo aren't certain; Lar thinks it could have been a Daxamite, whether disgruntled or under the control of Darkseid or the Circle. Then Gigi gets an alert that an orbital station is under attack; the three Legionnaires investigate.

The attacker is masked and wearing a Dark Circle symbol. While Mysa casts spells to save lives, Jo and Lar chase the attacker, who distracts them by further endangering lives.

The attacker escapes into Dark Circle space, pursued by the Legionnaires. They hear Dev-em's voice tell them that they're trespassing; there are four other masked Circle devotees with him. The three fight the five, not knowing which one is Dev-em, and subdue them - only to find that they all have the face of Dev-em. As a Dark Circle ship approaches with the real Dev-em held hostage, the Legionnaires realize the others are clones and that Dev-em has been poisoned with kryptonite.

Dawnstar sighs over Jhodan and confides in Laurel Kent.

The Persuader arrives on Takron-Galtos and is told that things have changed now that the SP have given the Warden free rein.

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I didn't get Gigi's quick condemnation of Dev-em. Last I recall, she was thinking he had possibilities. Perhaps she's got a Dirk Morgna hangover and is suffering from witnessing the destruction caused by the masked man. The Legionnaires are more cautious; their discussion implies that Dev-em has been a trusted associate. Lar's suggestion of a rogue Daxamite provides a good connection to the trouble suffered by his people under Darkseid and in the period of reconstruction.
We knew something was up with Dev-em and the Circle, but might have suspected brainwashing before cloning.

It's a bit of a retread to have Mysa missing a needed spell yet able to subdue three of the five masked men regardless. Still, it's pleasing to see Mysa holding her own - and then some - alongside the Legion's two heavy hitters.

However, I find it peculiar that this atrocity is being handled by three Legionnaires, not a full force of Starfleet or SP officers. Possibly they're the first on the site but there's no mention that others are on their way. It's as if two detectives and a psychic were sent after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Two sub-plots: Dawnstar opens up to Laurel Kent, which possibly serves to suggest that Laurel may soon be joining the ranks. The Persuader story is more interesting, since it indicates that there's a new get-tough-on-criminals approach in the U.P. (something to do with dreams is implied). Earthgov President Desai's promise of big changes may be the reason. It may also be a more pervasive attitude: Mysa isn't averse to making one of the masked men suffer the agonies of those he destroyed and Lar promises that the guilty party may not survive to see the court system.


Second Story: The Missing Planet Puzzle by Paul Levitz & Mindy Newell, art by Ernie Colon & Gary Martin, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by Bob Lappan

Jacques goes to the Ivory Coast to see an old friend who asked for help. Emil runs a holo-mapping company, Global Products, and has serious trouble mapping the planet Orsde. Each attempt fails, causing destruction to the equipment. Emil suspects poltergeists; Jacques is skeptical. He returns to Legion HQ to enlist Violet. He returns to Global Products, starts the program and turns invisible. Two small figures start running out of the computer. Jacques confronts them and captures them with a vacuum; they try to escape by shrinking and growing, but a special polymer holds them in place. Jacques tells Emil that they are Imskian terrorists who were sabotaging the mapping of Orsde, their sister planet, so that their secret bases would not be discovered. Violet had confirmed Jacques' suspicions and suggested the vacuum cleaner.

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Again, in this story, I seem to be missing something. Is Jacques able to make the computer running the map program invisible? One of the Imskians says it's disappearing and that's why they run. Although Jacques uses his invisibility, it's his detective skills that once again solve the problem.

The story serves to remind us that Africa is an ecologically healthy and balanced place. At the time this was written, there wasn't much (if any) African sci fi available and I don't believe we were aware of the
wholesale extraction of mineral and forest resources which is in progress today and portends a less happy future for the environment. However, there were no shortage of wars, famines and assorted troubles at this time, so it's an interesting and positive approach to present Africa as Earth's nature preserve.

We see the new Violet - angry, blunt and working on her combat skills - and are reminded that there's a Legion election soon.

One of Emil's employees is a Durlan - one of the rare ones off-planet who isn't a criminal.

The Imskian terrorists - who look like just a couple of goofy guys (and the fat one's the dope, of course) - are a reminder of continuing unrest in that sector and that all is not well in the United Planets.

But a vacuum cleaner? Well, the Roomba hadn't been invented yet; I guess it's as good a device as any and it does impart a light touch to a story with the darker underpinnings of political revolt.
TotLoSH 324

Despite the destruction, and implied carnage, there’s a slower pace to the opening scene than you would normally get. It’s a two-parter and, with the plot points paced out, there’s a few panels left to fill. The opening scene gets a robust five pages.

Cusimano has called the Legion for help after an attack on Amadus, a world close to the Dark Circle’s domain. The benefits of having space in this scene is in the character reactions. Newell’s dialogue is particularly good in conveying the changing emotions of the cast.

Jo thinks that the Dark Circle is responsible. They are, but not in the grouped attack he thinks. Cusimano has survivors guilt, but clearly could have done nothing. Mysa’s seemingly wise words of consolation are met with bitter anger and Mysa falters (excellent dialogue here).

Gi Gi’s anger then moves from herself to the culprit. Mon-El is the one to watch. Gi Gi tells us that she was a liaison with the ICC as Mon El scans the area as he would any other Legion mission. But as Gi Gi hints it was one person the shadows appear on Mon-El’s face. It’s reminiscent of the scene in the GDS where Ol-Vir had gone rogue.

In the Talok story, we saw ore on Shady and Lar’s relationship. Here, it’s Jo and Lar. You get the feeling that all three of Mon-El’s regular companions know that there are some dark, introspective areas in his mind.

He’s seen a millennia of seeing the darkest humanity had to offer. The GDS saw Darkseid pluck the potential of Daxam from his mind and turn its inhabitants into mindless killers. He’s seen Ol-Vir not change back. And now, he fears that the potential of an evil daxamite/kryptonian has surfaced once again. More, since Lady Memory drove him temporarily insane, he can only look on the destruction and fear that its something he could be capable of too.

Jo questions Gi Gi’s charge. In another good bit of dialogue, Lar criticises GIgI for letting her feelings cloud her judgement, as he does exactly the same thing having drawn his own conclusions. Jo then flies after Mon-El looking to ease his dark mood. He doesn’t let up, making sure to offer alternatives (almost pleadingly) to ease his friends mind. His choice of the word “insane” (bolded) is unfortunate, but at least allows Lar to express his feelings. Jo also lets the reader know (something Brin does a fair bit of) that there’s more going on that meets the eye.

I thought Mon-El would immediately go searching for the answer since Mysa confirms that there’s nobody left alive. Instead Jo and Lar find some extremely pliable comic-book debris to wrap up some of the destroyed buildings. Only then does Cusimano tell them that there’s been another attack. Had Mon-El gone out searching immediately, could that have been prevented?

The scene also stands out for putting Mysa (still floating – well done Jurgens) firmly in the Legion powerhouse category. Dawnstar told the readers of Mysa’s power back when she single handedly defeated a Khund in battle. Like Wildfire, she’s also got a different powerset to the Daxamite/Kryptonians in the team. That’s the gradual evolution of the cast from the invulnerability of the Silver Age to the more flawed characters here.

Another thing to note on GIGi’s reactions is that she knows that the ICC, and through their liaison the Science Police, were the ones infiltrating the Dark Circle resulting in the devastation.

As the three depart, we get a very nice summary of their characters. Jo is the upbeat one, happiest going into action and not having to think too hard, particularly at the implications here. Lar is resolute and grim, carrying the emotional weight. Mysa thinks in absolutes of truth, following her matter of fact initial comment to Cusimano. But there’s plenty of grey areas out there, and that’s where she’ll struggle later on. Behind them, Cusimano can’t shake her impressions of Dev-Em.

In orbit, the identity of our mystery attacker is drawn out a little more as his handlers have been thoughtful enough to provide a lead-lined outfit. I wonder if that was what they always did to prevent people finding out who they were. Mon-El and Jo are both more keen on finding out who they’re dealing with, than dealing with the threat. Mysa even points this out. Neither Lar or Jo have been bothered before about finding things out as they go. So, these few panels, that are there to give Mysa a role don’t really ring true. Even with the set up of Mon-El being preoccupied over the ramifications of a rogue Daxamite. She could have done the same thing while we got into immediate Action between Circle Lad, Ultra Boy and Mon-El.

As the story continues you can see why Levitz plotted it this way. Mysa proves to be particularly effective later on. So having her perform the same spell here, would have killed the mystery. Likewise, it’s Lar who saves on e of the crew thrown by their foe, so that Jo can go in first and get knocked out. Mon El is then distracted by his opponent who puts the lives of a crew at risk. Mon’s not that preoccupied with his foe this time to save them first. Which is how he should have been throughout this scene. Another down-side to this one is that we hear Circle Lad’s thoughts. We learn that he’s the last of his people, which is a bit of a big hint. We learn that he feels superior enough that lesser beings don’t deserve to live while his race are gone. Which is fine, but it should have come out through dialogue as the story progressed.

Having spent five pages on the opening scene, we get tow encounters with Circle Lad in quick succession. There are lots of pluses.

Ultra Boy’s powers are handled very well throughout. He couldn’t hear Cusimano’s alert earlier while Lar could; We’re told again about his one-at-a-time power; He can’t use penetra-vision until he’s used superspeed; he gets knocked out before he can switch to invulnerability; and he’s a punching bag while in invulnerability because he can’t use strength. You can see why writers get a lot more mileage from him plot-wise, while Mon-El has to get distracted/ diverted to get him out of the way.

The image of the three Legionnaires streaking through space in a Giffenesque page is a favourite, and it’s one that would be used in other books.

The components that reveal their opponent are all there. The powers; the distorted attitude; Mon-El recognising his voice; the one attacking the UP becoming five foes back in Dark Circle territory. But there are edges to it that could have been removed for a smoother story and improved pacing.

Would it have been better had Cusimano not quite have known what destroyed the planet?

Levitz has gone well out of his way to define Mysa’s powers. In the same way as the reader is told about Jo’s power limitation, we’re told that Mysa has Mysa has to prepare certain spells. This time out she has come prepared “to battle and save lives” giving us a glimpse of her capabilities. Those powers do seem to have a tendency to duplicate the powers of other Legionnaires. Jo mentions the tracking powers Mysa has previously used, encroaching on Dawny’s territory. Here, we have a force cube that duplicates Brainy; invisibility that copies Jacques; Mind Control that Imra would be reluctant to use too much and sensory control that was, and would be later on, the domain of Jeckie.

Mysa and Wildfire in his original costume could pretty much stand in for the entire team. It would have been interesting to see Mysa use similar terminology that she has used before as she used her spells here. There’s the suspicion that they are plot, rather than character, driven.

One Dev-Em is a chilling enemy. He has a history that’s not touched on here. Five of them is an army of Supermen as dangerous as an army of Darkseid’s mindless Daxamites. They even jokingly team up when fighting Jo. Mysa takes down three of them. The first is revealed to be Dev-Em… but so are the other four. In a handy cliffhanger a Dark Circle craft appears containing the real Dev-Em in a Kryptonite laced chamber. Their foes had been clones. Despite their brain washing, at least one of them remembered Mon-El. This is a very solid link to the old story of Brainy bringing back Lyle and Andrew clones all the way through to the personalities of the SW6 batch in v4.

Mysa’s personality here has direct links not only to v4, and Mordru’s exploitation of her, but to the later issues of the Baxter run too. Her beliefs and priorities here match her reaction to the way The Infinite Man was handled.

The appearance of the Circle will bring things to a direct confrontation next issue. Besides we’ve already invaded Dark Circle territory with Querl, Kara and Dirk. SO hiding Dev-Em on their world wouldn’t be new or shocking.

Mentioning Kara reminds me that Dev-Em states that “now, only I am left” It’s a reminder that Kal and Kara are visitors from an earlier era. We haven’t really had a close look at how Dev-Em has reacted to being the last Krytponian. Considering the publishing date, it’s hard not to think of Crisis too. We’ve seen Kara depart. Over in Baxter, Superboy is in what I think is his final story with the team. In a letter column, Levitz states that he doesn’t know all the dtails of what’s going to happen in the story. In his company position though, he’ll know the overall goals of the series. One of these is to simplify the mythos of each character. Dev-Em is a Kryptonian who may also be about ot have his last appearance.

Another character who falls into this category is Laurel Kent. In a subplot she visits her former academy roommate Dawnstar. Again, with Crisis here, that symbol on her cape stands out like an S-shaped target.

I had forgotten that there was a follow up scene to Dawny’s adventures on Kol. Not only do we get a lovely continuation of the friendship the two have form ages ago, we learn a lot about Dawny’s character progression too. She had thought her life was to be with Wildfire, and that this was love. Then, having experienced something deeper emotionally and I think physically as “shared destiny” in “having a shared destiny” is coded, she’s conflicted. To Newell and Levitz’s credit, she’s not merely lovelorn. There’s a deeper cultural meaning behind a lot of her problems. With the complication of the belief systems on Kol, it makes this a much more complex scenario than most comic books.

Spare a thought for Wildfire too. Already physically isolated, Dawny was one of the few ways he could feel like a person. Dawny isn’t just his companion, she’s his work partner too. Now she “can’t bear to look at him.” We’ve already been told that she’s been keeping her distance. A look at Drake would have been a very good follow up to this one. But I don’t think it can last the end of the next issue (if it’s even in there) as the end of the original Tales is almost here.

Anotehr subplot I can’t recall going anywhere is The Persuader’s return to Takron Galtos. The Warden is straight out of a course on maniacal supervillainry, complete with laughter. He’s also combined it with the look of a 1930’s movie vampire. If Manga Khan has a descendant, it’s this guy.

As I would have loved to have seen more of the Dawny/Drake plot, the possible absence of the Warden’s plot doesn’t bother me much. I think Takron Galtos is due for some destruction in Crisis too.

Li’l thoth in the Land of Elsenwhen

The Big Legion highlight this month is in the back up of Action 568. Superman picks up Jimmy Olsen to take photos of him capturing a crook about to arrive from the 30th century with some stolen technology. The capture is made and Superman flies off into the future. But the crook leaves a piece of technology behind, and Jimmy finds it. After his date for the night goes off with an old flame, Jimmy is left looking at the device. When it leads him to find his perfect mate, he thinks he’s discovered a love finder. He gets it to work for Lois and Clark too.

Clark falls for a librarian who also turns out to be Nova Woman. Even in love and dreaming of a career with his device, Jimmy still spots someone who’s been trailing him for most of the story. It turns out that it’s a guest appearance by Shvaughn Erin. The device actualises subconscious thoughts. With their dream dates fading away in front of them, the trio are found working overtime to get over their broken hearts.

So now we know where Shvaughn went after being relieved by Cusimano in #323. It’s lovely Silver Age fun, drawn by Bender and written by Craig Boldman, who did work for Archie. It’s also lettered by Ben Oda. It may have been one of his latest works as an obituary to him appears in the same issue.

In JLA 239, Vixen confronts the Ox, the culmination of her origin subplot. Vixen is a much stronger character than she would have been in launched as intended as the Implosion hit DC. Patton’s pencils are excellent. There’s a folk tale about Anansi at the start of the issue which was quite a departure from most books. There’s even more passing of the torch between Supes, Wondy and Barry to the new guys. Mainly based on what seemed to be a made up clause in the constitution.

I mentioned that the retirement of Garth, Imra and Rokk was unusual in comics. But Barry talks about their time being past for the League, leaving it to those with more fire and commitment to it than they currently could give.

As three founding Leaguers move on, so does Hawkman as he learns the scope of the Shadow War he faces. His home planet has designs on his adopted one, and he believes Hawkwoman has been murdered by them.

Conflicted characters are a theme continued in the Tales of the Titans #54. The Terminator’s trial concludes and it doesn’t go the way you’d expect. The heroes don’t all act in the way you’d expect either, as this story carries plenty of raw emotions from the Judas Contract.

Adrian Chase is the judge in the Titans story, and he concludes a dark two-parter in Vigilante #18. As I mentioned before, this was the sort of story I thought the Vigilante would have, only to find the opening issues a bit of a disappointment. This is a lot better.

Chase will have a trial of conscience after this story. The Flash, on the other hand, just has a tiral that’s nearing the final 350 issue, and Crisis.

Superman doesn’t need a Crisis. On the cover of Supes 408 he’s the only survivor of a nuclear war. It’s reminiscent of some of the old doom laden JLA covers, and obviously an inspiration for Kingdom Come. Inside there is a nuclear war, if only a dream. It haunts Supes through the issue as he wonders about his responsibilities about perhaps ending the cold war arms race. It’s fairly understated in the way that a lot of pre-crisis Supes stories can be and, in the way that recent writers feel the need to extract a ten-issue story from.

Alan Davis joins Batman and the Outsiders to continue finding the truth about Halo. They’re on the shattered JLA satellite this issue. Aparo left requiring what looked like a fill in issue interrupting the Halo story last issue.

Davis, of course, had that superb run on Captain Britain with Alan Moore. Moore writes the back up story in the Omega Men this month in addition to Swamp Thing.

The Shawn McManus art to the main feature in Omega Men #27 really gave them a distinctive look, taking them away from the more classic sci-fi look they had previously. Todd Macfarlane was also adding his own style to Infinity Inc#15 having been confirmed as new penciller after his guest spot last month. That followed the death of Don Newton who was to be the regular penciller.
On the first panel of Macfarlane’s first issue is a film poster of Supergirl, but with an Earth-2 super-symbol on the costume. The inspirations ran both ways.

In Earth-2s past, Liberty Belle gets superpowers as Ropy Thomas continues to add a little friction between some of the members of the All-Star Squadron #46

Another person getting inspiration from Superman’s original costume and cover is Ambush Bug in his first issue.

I didn’t get many of these at the time of publication. Pretty much just the Justice League this month.
Tales 324: “The Secret of the Dark Circle”

It’s great to see another Mon-El spotlight, especially so soon after the Talok adventure. It’s also great that he’s more in control here. Mon is understandably upset at the prospect of a Daxamite being responsible for the destruction on Amadus, and he goes after the assailant full of anger. Yet he pulls away and does the right thing when an innocent ship is threatened. He did have a couple of lapses in judgment, first by cleaning up the wreckage instead of searching for the villain and then in searching for the villain instead of making sure other innocents were safe. But I chalk this up to him gathering his thoughts and sorting out his emotions. When clear and present danger exists, Mon-El does the right thing. I like this depiction of him.

It's also interesting to get a glimpse of his friendship with Ultra Boy without either of their significant others present. Jo, who is always so impetuous, plays the reasoner here, the wise friend who tries to help his troubled teammate. I like this side of Jo, too.

The White Witch provides contrast. She’s not part of their clique and is still rather new and awkward as a Legionnaire. Her dialogue with Gigi betrays a still emerging social confidence. But when the action starts, Mysa knows what to do and holds her own—impressively defeating three Dev-Em clones.

This story works as a showcase of these three Legionnaires, offering a side to each we are not used to seeing. It also provides a fresh context for them to relate to each other. These pluses almost make up for a plot that reminds me too much of the Star Trek episode, “Arena” (in which the Gorns destroy a Federation outpost) and which follows the convention that our heroes must win despite unbelievable odds. One Dev-Em clone is enough to destroy the civilization on an entire planet (or at least a huge chunk of it), yet our three Legionnaires—two of whom have significant weaknesses (Jo can use only one power at a time; Mysa can use only the spells she’s prepared)—take out FIVE Dev-Em clones. It’s good to be a super-hero. You always win, no matter the odds.

The incredibility of the plot slows me down on re-read, though it’s a very well-told story if one accepts this convention. Skimming through it, I noticed that most pages have five or six panels on each page, and lot happens in those panels. Characters act, react, and something propels us into the next page. There is plenty of emotional drama as well as action. A lot happens, and it has enormous implications for our heroes and their society.

However, much of this is undercut (to me, at least) by Dev-Em. He truly is a minor character in Legion history. When he appeared in Adventure 320, he was portrayed as the bully Superboy feared. Removed from this context, he’s just another incredibly powerful character running around the Legion’s universe. The “knave of Krypton” image he originally had is long forgotten. I’m not sure how to relate to him as a character—or how the Legion relates to him. Clearly, they know who he is, but there’s no sense of him having any kind of relationship with the team beyond that recognition. I suppose Levitz felt it necessary to deal with this last survivor of Krypton (kudos to the writer for acknowledging this in an oblique way) being a spy in the 30th century, but it feels to me like this is just the sort of “fanwank” Fanfie has always protested: a way of accounting for every minor character just for the sake of it.

A better approach (to me, again) would have been to spend a considerable amount of time re-establishing Dev as a character in the Legion’s universe. The few glimpses we’ve seen of him have not been enough. I don’t get the sense that the Legionnaires care about him. If they don’t care, I don’t care.

Maybe we’re not meant to care. Maybe we’re just supposed to be horrified at the Dark Circle technology which creates Krypton-powered clones. But, again, if three Legionnaires can take out five clones, the rest of the team has nothing to worry about.

So, I like a lot of things about this story, but the overall stakes don’t impress me much.

In terms of subplots, I loved the Laurel/Dawnstar scene. Laurel is portrayed as a true friend who will not allow her bestie to mope around. If only we all had such a friend. If only Laurel could have continued as a character post-Crisis.

The Persuader scene is good for what it is, but I don’t recall if it leads anywhere. Shame.

So, Tales winds down with a story that tries to be more important than it really is. We do, however, get some good character showcases and wonderful Newell dialogue (she really did have an ear for how people talk and relate to each other).
Tales 324 Backup: “The Missing Planet Puzzle”

In order to properly understand and evaluate this story, I think it’s necessary to contextualize Jacques as a character. At this point (1985), he was still one of only two Legionnaires “of color” on the team (the other being Dawnstar). The died-in-the-wool humanist in me screams that race shouldn’t matter, but it does. Characters of color have faced a mountainous climb in comics—coming from no representation at all to token minorities to stereotypes to—the rarest gem of all—fully realized characters with unique personalities, strengths, and faults. Dawnstar completed that transition over the last few issues. Now it’s Jacques’ turn.

So it’s with no small amount of pleasure to see him featured on the cover of 324 with a promise of his first solo mission. The splash page of the story introduces us to his friend, Emil, who appears to be older and balding—offering variety among depictions of dark-skinned characters. And we have more wonderful Ernie Colon art, which gives the story a charming Silver Age atmosphere. The tale hits the ground running.

However, it quickly unfolds into a standard mystery plot: When something causes Emil’s holo-mapping equipment to explode, Jacques helps his friend. At first stymied, he seeks advice from fellow Legionnaire Shrinking Violet and then returns to capture the culprits—two tiny Imskians, who sought to keep the maps from discovering their secret bases on another world.

There’s nothing wrong with a standard plot. In fact, a bare-bones structure could be used to illuminate our central character, shed light on his personality and powers, and help him grow. Jacques does delight in solving the case all by himself—and that’s great, but the story omits key steps to show how he got there. I’m not sure what tipped him off to Imskians being involved. For expediency of the plot, we rush from the first explosion he encounters to his visit with Shrinking Violet. Couldn’t something else have caused the explosions—say magic, a Daxamite, a Bgztlian . . . or even a Durlan (there’s even one present)?

Only at the very end do we learn that the planet with the secret bases is a “sister planet” of Imsk—a detail which would have tipped the reader off immediately. That’s why we don’t learn about it. However, a good mystery story plays fair with the reader. This one doesn’t.

Jacques’ first solo story is well intentioned, but it doesn’t go far enough in telling us anything new about him as a character. We’re given some details of Global Products and its role in the Ivory Coast, Jacques’ homeland, but this is an infodump. I felt I’d learned more about Jacques from his interaction with his two sisters a while back.

While the Colon art is good throughout, it veers into silliness in places. Jacques carrying Emil under his arm in two panels presents an odd image, especially since Emil talks the whole time. The two saboteurs are stereotyped baddies, one of whom happens to be overweight and dimwitted.

Dialogue presents another challenge. It’s difficult to write characters with foreign accents. In college, I wrote an article (never published) about the use of accents in comics, and I came to admire writers who really have it down—who can convey unique speech patterns in a natural way. Newell doesn’t have it down in this story. The French words area are distractions, especially since Jacques and Emil would not be talking to other in both French and English. This clunky convention assists the reader; however, Newell found a much better way to show characters speaking in different languages during the Dawnstar story.

Whereas Dawnstar’s story represented a coming of age for her, Jacques story seems child-like in its execution and conclusion. Whereas Dawny emerged as a fully realized character, Jacques still has that mountain to climb.
And here's how the latest two issues fared in my Top 27 of March 12, 1985:

1. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 54 -- DC
2. New Teen Titans # 9 -- DC
3. Star Trek # 15 -- DC
4. Blue Devil # 13 -- DC
5. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 3 -- DC
6. All-Star Squadron # 46 -- DC
7. Infinity Inc. # 15 -- DC
8. Dreadstar # 18 -- Marvel/Epic
9. Dreadstar & Company # 1 -- Marvel/Epic
10. New Defenders # 144 -- Marvel

11. Fury of Firestorm # 36 -- DC
12. Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes # 324 -- DC
13. Fantastic Four # 279 -- Marvel
14. Iron Man # 195 -- Marvel
15. Green Lantern # 189 -- DC
16. Captain America # 306 -- Marvel
17. Shadow War of Hawkman # 2 -- DC
18. Badger # 6 -- First
19. Amazing Spider-Man # 265 -- Marvel
20. Nexus # 10 -- First

21. Sun-Devils # 10 -- DC
22. Marvel Tales # 176 -- Marvel
23. Legion of Super-Heroes # 11 -- DC
24. Avengers # 256 -- Marvel
25. Gargoyle # 2 -- Marvel
26. Justice League of America # 239 -- DC
27. Flash # 346 -- DC

. . . so Tales ranked much higher this time while the Baxter title still languished near the bottom.

Thoth's post above prompted me to re-read Tales/Titans 54. It still holds up extremely well. I enjoyed watching the Titans interact with the New York legal system and not look out of place. The dialogue is wonderful, especially in the Titans' scene with Lilith. There are a lot of wordy balloons but it all feels like natural dialogue. Marv Wolfman was also a master of character complexity, especially in how Gar behaves. He is very smart but still a 15-year-old kid caught up in his own emotions over Tara's death. The Titans' discussion over how they responded to Lilith's apparent danger from "the man with wings" also reveals a lot about each of them and how they interact. Brilliant stuff.
LSH #12 The More Things Change by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Mike Machlan, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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A team of Legionnaires, with Superboy, fight a large number of pirates who have been harassing a space sector. One of the pirate ships flees, pursued by Wildfire and Superboy, but suddenly disappears. Dawnstar can not track it and wonders aloud if her power has been damaged by Brainy's treatments.

At Legion HQ, Brin uses a computailor for a new uniform before setting out to fulfill Val's legacy. He suggests Blok might also get a new look, then goes to vote before leaving.

Outside, the three founders salute the Legion flag before going in to vote for Leader. They're joined by Jan and Shvaughn. Imra worries about Brainy running because of the stress. Once inside, Nura says Jan has a chance since she isn't running, then proceeds to kiss baby Graym on the cheek and Jan on the lips.

In space, Dawnstar complains to Brainy about her powers; he tells her she's fine but not the right Legionnaire to find the pirates and that he's called in someone else. She is reassured when she does track the missing ship several hours later. As the Legionnaires attack, Tinya - Brainy's secret weapon - enters the ship and proceeds to the control center. The ship disappears; Wildfire is annoyed that Tinya is lost with it, but Dirk supports Brainy's theory. Indeed, the ship reappears, with Tinya hauling the Bgtzlian captain. A device had augmented his power to turn the ship intangible.

At Legion HQ, the three founders finish voting; they tell Jan they voted for him, then resign. He's shocked, but they proceed to tell him how the Legion must change.

Comments:

This is an uncomplicated story, with a brief little mystery. It's also a hinge between the Legion's past and future. Superboy joins a mission; Dawnstar worries about her powers, Imra worries about Brainy's stability under stress and there are pirates, an old Legion standby, including one Resource Raider.

The founders saluting their flag really does shout old school - have these three always done that, or is this just a nostalgic gesture? I'm reminded of that nice scene in 5YL when the SW6 Legion emerges from underground and stops en masse to salute their flag, much to the consternation of Devlin O'Ryan..

Brin has a new confidence; he's about to embark on a quest and doesn't need Ayla to help him dress.

Brainy is his usual clever self, a bit arrogant but the only one to solve the problem. Opinion is split among Legionnaires on how much to trust him, however: Dawnstar immediately blames him when her tracking fails to find the ship, Imra worries about him, Dirk and Jan are confident in him.

Wildfire is still very protective of Dawnstar, although she doesn't interact directly with him.

Dawnstar refers to Kol's planet as "the exile planet", indicating that there's a story that never made it to publication.

Just as Dawnstar's powers were augmented, so were the Bgtzlian pirate captain's. It's a nice parallel, but opens the door to a slippery slope: why isn't the galaxy full of super-powered criminals with augmented abilities?

The mystery of the disappearing ship raises several other questions: can Dawnstar not track intangible Tinya? What about invisible Jacques?

The scenes of the team fighting the pirates are very dynamic.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

The mystery of the disappearing ship raises several other questions: can Dawnstar not track intangible Tinya? What about invisible Jacques?


I figured it was because the ship fully crossed the dimensional barrier between Earth and Bgtzl so it was outside the range of Dawny's powers...I may be misremembering it but I think there was a scene in the last Legion series as well that implied Dawnstar was a bit awkward around Phantom Girl because when Tinya phases, it confuses Dawny's tracking power. I don't think Jacques would be a problem though, he's still physically in the same space even if you can't see him smile

Also again I dunno if I am remembering it wrong or not, but in that story the Bgtzlr guy who used his power on the ship looked like Phantom Lad, yeah? I don't think anyone's ever actually said it was him, but I wonder if it was an easter egg?
LSH 12

“Uncomplicated” is certainly the word for this story. It almost reeks of nostalgia, with Superboy returning just to hang out with his friends (because doing so allows him to cut loose more than super-heroing in the 20th century). The story is built on a simple mystery with a simple solution—one that is so obvious, it makes you wonder why there weren’t more Legion stories with criminals from Legionnaire home worlds. We’ve seen Daxamites and Imskians turning to the dark side (pun intended); now it’s a Bgztlian’s turn. The 30th century could be a very interesting and dangerous place if more people decided to use their native talents for bad.

The space pirates story turns out to be of secondary importance to the changes the Legion goes through. The three Founders finally announce their resignations from active membership, and the latest leadership election dominates the second half of the book. It’s almost a letdown that Jan gets re-elected. After the big build-up, one would expect another dark horse (Timber Wolf?!) to emerge as Dream Girl did a couple of years ago. But Jan gets the nod again. He deserves it, of course, and his leadership will provide continuity as the team takes on several new members at once. Still, it seems like a letdown.

This is one area where reality differs from fiction—and I’ve come to better appreciate this difference in the decades since this issue was published. In the real world, we want our heroes, friends, and organizations to be stable. In fiction, too much stability is boring. I think this is one of the reasons why the last few issues of the Baxter series have been lackluster: Levitz forgot to tell stories—or he told them in such a way that they lack drama.

I’m not saying the Fatal Five have to come crashing in to disrupt every election, or that somebody has to angsty lose his or her powers. But there should be a greater sense of danger, at least as a subplot. In hindsight, we get some danger over the long haul—with Universo working behind the scenes and Crisis about to engulf everyone—but these arcs move at such a snail’s pace for the Legion that Levitz should be dubbed Molasses Lad. As we discussed previously, having a payoff in every chapter of a serialized story keeps readers enthralled. There should at least be some forward momentum or sense of urgency.

Instead, the entire second “story” (which is really just the second half of the first story) drags on interminably, showing us how different people anticipate the results of the Legion’s election. We already know the Legionnaires are stars across the UP and that they make the news every time they burp. Most of these scenes add little to my understanding or appreciation of the characters or their universe—although it was fun to watch Shvaughn being teased mercilessly by her SP colleagues. Also, Ganglios (the future Tellus) is matter-of-factly dropped into a Legion Academy scene. We haven’t seen him before, correct? His appearance comes across as an intrusion. We’re expected to believe that this character has been interacting with Pol, Jed, Laurel and CQ for some time?

Where the writing excels is in the character moments—Brin adopting a new costume without Ayla’s input and looking forward to his mission to fulfill Karate Kid’s will; Dawny at first blaming Brainy for her apparent loss of power; Graym being not too impressed with Nura’s kiss (what a discerning infant!); and the Founders saluting the flag. But a story is more than just “moments.” Those moments should add up to something.

LSH 12 is by no means a bad issue, but it needs a lot of tight editing. Someone should have said to Levitz, “I know you love the Legion, and the fans love the Legion, but what about the hundreds of thousands of comic book fans who aren’t that into the Legion? How do we draw them in and keep them interested?” Of course, Karen Berger probably wanted to keep her job. smile
Originally Posted by razsolo
Also again I dunno if I am remembering it wrong or not, but in that story the Bgtzlr guy who used his power on the ship looked like Phantom Lad, yeah? I don't think anyone's ever actually said it was him, but I wonder if it was an easter egg?


That's perfect! - and it could have been confirmed with one sentence from Tinya.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
The space pirates story turns out to be of secondary importance to the changes the Legion goes through. The three Founders finally announce their resignations from active membership, and the latest leadership election dominates the second half of the book. It’s almost a letdown that Jan gets re-elected. After the big build-up, one would expect another dark horse (Timber Wolf?!) to emerge as Dream Girl did a couple of years ago. But Jan gets the nod again. He deserves it, of course, and his leadership will provide continuity as the team takes on several new members at once. Still, it seems like a letdown.


Jan certainly seemed more surprised than the readers! A dark horse could have shaken things up - we were pleasantly surprised with how competent Nura turned out to be as leader. As you point out, however, Jan provides continuity for a time when the Legion will undergo changes.

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This is one area where reality differs from fiction—and I’ve come to better appreciate this difference in the decades since this issue was published. In the real world, we want our heroes, friends, and organizations to be stable. In fiction, too much stability is boring. I think this is one of the reasons why the last few issues of the Baxter series have been lackluster: Levitz forgot to tell stories—or he told them in such a way that they lack drama.


Good point. I wouldn't want my life to be one tenth as exciting as that of the Legionnaires.

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Instead, the entire second “story” (which is really just the second half of the first story) drags on interminably, showing us how different people anticipate the results of the Legion’s election. We already know the Legionnaires are stars across the UP and that they make the news every time they burp. Most of these scenes add little to my understanding or appreciation of the characters or their universe—although it was fun to watch Shvaughn being teased mercilessly by her SP colleagues. Also, Ganglios (the future Tellus) is matter-of-factly dropped into a Legion Academy scene. We haven’t seen him before, correct? His appearance comes across as an intrusion. We’re expected to believe that this character has been interacting with Pol, Jed, Laurel and CQ for some time?


Tellus first appeared in #9, hovering over Laurel along with the other students - but wasn't named.

The UP analysts discussing the election provided a nice collection of aliens (including someone from the Asterix planet?) but it was sort of a wasted scene since we didn't see any of these races again, except for the Gil D'ishpan (who I didn't think were part of the U.P. - but maybe he's a visiting scholar).

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Where the writing excels is in the character moments—Brin adopting a new costume without Ayla’s input and looking forward to his mission to fulfill Karate Kid’s will; Dawny at first blaming Brainy for her apparent loss of power; Graym being not too impressed with Nura’s kiss (what a discerning infant!); and the Founders saluting the flag. But a story is more than just “moments.” Those moments should add up to something.


Over time, I think the moments do add to our sense of the individuals and their world but could have been put into the context of a more dramatic story. Nice snapshots, but I agree recent issues have been lackluster.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


Tellus first appeared in #9, hovering over Laurel along with the other students - but wasn't named.


Thanks for the catch (figuratively and literally smile ). Something else else fishy is going on at the Academy. smile

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The UP analysts discussing the election provided a nice collection of aliens (including someone from the Asterix planet?) but it was sort of a wasted scene since we didn't see any of these races again, except for the Gil D'ishpan (who I didn't think were part of the U.P. - but maybe he's a visiting scholar).


The various aliens reminded me of Nexus, whose world was also populated with bizarre and silly looking aliens. I wonder if Levitz and Lightle were reading this series.

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Over time, I think the moments do add to our sense of the individuals and their world but could have been put into the context of a more dramatic story. Nice snapshots, but I agree recent issues have been lackluster.


Some of these "slow movements" are quite successful, such as Jan coming into his own as leader and the gradual disintegration of Nura and Thom's relationship. But I've really come to appreciate how episodes of a TV series can build a slow arc over time yet still create a fully realized story in increments of half an hour or one hour. This seems to be what Levitz is shooting for but not quite hitting.
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Considering two excellent Lightle covers are coming up, I just don’t seem to be a huge fan of recent ones. The elements (composition not lad) are here; Space Battle, visual Legionnaires in Drake, Dawny and Dirk and a Superboy whooshing (well, in space no one can hear you whoosh) through a ship, while showing off his invulnerability. But Supes looks too baby faced, and he seems to have gone through the hull of that ship with his head. One guy doesn’t have a helmet, and Dirk looks to have killed a couple of others. The Mission monitor symbols are nice, but they don’t add a thing to the cover and their colour detracts from everything else.

The cover links in with the first scene, where the Legion intercept space pirates. I prefer the poses on pages 2-3. Effort is made to tell us that while Superboy is helping out, he never rejoins. Much like previous issues, it’s a done thing as far as DC are concerned. Perhaps Levitz was just enforcing Crisis. Superboy isn’t going to be around for much longer.

Superboy finding 30th century space pirates more of a challenge is a bit odd. There are plenty of 20th century villains more challenging. Perhaps pre-Metropolis was a really dull time for Clark.

One of the pirate ships manages to disappear. Dawny blaming Brainy’s experiments on her powers links in with previous issues. But it’s just another example of her powers being useless when required by the plot. As Superboy goes with his kryptonite, red solar radiation and magic, Dawny has a variety of clever foes that evade her abilities. Only, her other powers are written to stand out, so she becomes a bit of a dead weight to the team.

Back at HQ, where we get a little Giffenesque intro pic, Brin chooses a new costume. It’s a big improvement. The last one was as dull as his personality. Just as important is the line where he says he’ll do fine without Lightning Lass there to help him. It’s a sign he’s moving on too. Blok is left pondering a new look, with the pre-boot Arathamites floating around. It will be a big improvement too.

Elsewhere, the founders salute the Legion flag before going into vote on a new leader. It doesn’t seem os long since Jan took over from Nura. On one hand we’re told it’s for no occasion while a panel later being told that it’s a requirement that can be waived by the leader. I had read it, at first, as it being just something they do, rather than it being a Legion thing. Yet another little wedge to separate their time from the rest of the team as Levitz has been moving to do for a very long time. The flag saluting will be back in a couple of issues.

While flag saluting is what they’re doing we get little continuity nods like stress and Brainy and Shvaugn’s support of Jan’s long tenure in the group. She’s brushed aside by Dreamy at her best, telling us that she’s not standing for leader. The reactions are interesting. Jan is a bit hesitant, which reminds me of some of his time as leader. Erin is infuriated, and I wonder how much of their growing relationship has pushed Jan’s confidence into a leadership role. Garth and Imra are simply more interested in their child. Rokk, the one who ahs been worrying over transitions the most seems happy that he’s leaving the team in capable hands like Nura’s. With her as part of a developing core team, it makes the changes easier.

Back in the main plot, Dawny confronts Brainy about her powers, only to be told that they are working perfectly well, but that she’s not the Legionnaire for the mission. It’s a classic Brainy tease, although any friendship between Dawny and Brainy seems to have gone down a few notches compared to Mindy Newell’s work over on Tales.

What is similar to Newell’s story is seeing a happy Dawnstar forget herself while on a mission. Superboy covers her back, but Drake isn’t far away. He’s also the one who was most upset at the thought of Dawny losing her powers. Both are shown to throw space pirates around physically, which makes a nice change to how their powers are usually portrayed.
The correct Legionnaire arrives in the form of Phantom Girl. She enters the ship before it vanishes, enjoys tracking down the captain who turns out to be form her home world using a phasing mechanism to cause the disappearance.

The others wait for her to reappear. Drake, ever over protective, worries that Tinya has lost. Dirk, who knows Tinya a lot better, tells him to have a little fiath in their colleague. But everyone, but Brainy seems a little tense.

Lightle splits the page in two and then adds four panels showing the same space with the returning ship in the final one. It’s an excellent way of increasing the story beats waiting for the returning ship. Wildfire worry means he’s the most relived when she returns. In a little twist, he now feels obligated to trust Brainy for leader, where he was previously against the Coluan for the experiments with Dawny, not to mention the mission that made her meet Jhodan (although that’s not mentioned here).

Levitz cleverly gave us a science with the founders, Jan and voting for a reason. We now see them after they’ve voted. It’s their final act as active Legionnaires and they resign form active duty. Jan is hesitant once again. But that’s okay. The founders aren’t leaving before they outline a few plans.

“It’s time the Legion started to change…”

It’s been a long time in coming, but then It should be a key moment. The impact of even these changes is seen in the back up story.

The backup has the UP Council analysts, Legion Academy members, media sources and the SPs views on both the election and the membership changes.

There’s a variety of views with one saying “I think they’re only electing a new leader like they do every so often. And if they change who’s an active member, so what—they’ve had dozens of membership changes.”

That’s a functional look at the first story. As readers, we’ll see if there are further changes hinted at, that make more of an impact in future issues. It should be noted that a lot of the work has already been done.

The team that were headlined by Superboy, moved out into their own title and that title was popular enough to launch a Baxter book.

We see the celebrity status of the Legion here very prominently, as Levitz said they were in the RPG.

Both titles have seen the founders and their Kryptonite stars move into the background. Crisis is here, and it’s going to bring changes. Some unanticipated ones will have the biggest impact and controversy.

The back up also continues some subplots and hints at others. President Desai is the one who’s looking for the UP analysis on the Legion. Zendak too, but firmly second in the order.
Laurel Kent is recovery form her bullet wound and we hear that Dvron is still investigating.

At the academy we see Laurel, Jed, Grava, Ganglios and Pol. We’re told that there are 19 active Legionnaires, so there’s a chance a number of these will make the grade. The feeling among them , though, is that it’s Pol who stands the best chance.

Is this the first time we see Tellus?

At the end of the scene, Chuck wants to introduce them to some people. I’d have liked to have found out who. It’s nice that the plot leaves us hanging, but I wonder if it was Drake & Dawny or the founders.

Jan doubts himself, but only so that Imra can remind us of how Jan got into the team. It’s something that’s going to be very relevant in two issues time.
Jan wins the election and goes out to meet fan Flynt Brojj, in another reminder of how much Levitz knows his Legion history.

Finally, Garth and Imra’s kid really does look to have super grip powers. I wonder if there’s a scene where he gets an Invisible Kid action figure. Maybe he’s like his brother.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
It's also a hinge between the Legion's past and future.


Well put.

Originally Posted by Cramer
… and there are pirates, an old Legion standby, including one Resource Raider.


Oh, well spotted. I did see someone with the same skin tone as Jed.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The founders saluting their flag really does shout old school - have these three always done that, or is this just a nostalgic gesture? I'm reminded of that nice scene in 5YL when the SW6 Legion emerges from underground and stops en masse to salute their flag, much to the consternation of Devlin O'Ryan..


I don’t remember them doing it, for what my memory cell is worth. I used to think they spent all their spare time building statues.

As for v4 that flag salute in the middle of a battleground was…well, it deservedly didn’t end well. Id’ like to think it was a comment on the pointlessness of tradition in the face of changing conflict, but it was more likely a cheap way of getting rid of some of the cast. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brin has a new confidence; he's about to embark on a quest and doesn't need Ayla to help him dress.


If his new costume had come with laces, he would have been in trouble though.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brainy is his usual clever self, a bit arrogant but the only one to solve the problem. Opinion is split among Legionnaires on how much to trust him, however: Dawnstar immediately blames him when her tracking fails to find the ship, Imra worries about him, Dirk and Jan are confident in him.


I like to see divided opinions on the team. Dirk has settled into being confident in a relaxed way. He trusts Brainy and Tinya here, having worked with them for so long.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Wildfire is still very protective of Dawnstar, although she doesn't interact directly with him.


Another good spot. She’s going to be telling him to find his own panels soon, and then he’ll have to appear in another book if she has to get a restraining order out.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Dawnstar refers to Kol's planet as "the exile planet", indicating that there's a story that never made it to publication.


Look-it-up-Lad tells me that the first part of the Dawny story was called “Into Exile” Which may have meant that the story title had a lot more meaning, or it’s now being seen as a convenient title for the world. I think they were all Blue Devil worshippers, exiled from Earth. The Staff of Kol will turn out ot be Blue Devil’s trident and that eventually a Kid Devil II would have joined the Legion, once Briany and Dawny went back. Tomorrow, I may have another view…

Originally Posted by Cramer
Just as Dawnstar's powers were augmented, so were the Bgtzlian pirate captain's. It's a nice parallel, but opens the door to a slippery slope: why isn't the galaxy full of super-powered criminals with augmented abilities?


In v6/7 they had an augmented Daxamaite. They hinted that his internal systems were burning out by using power at that level. Maybe there’s a risk when everyone else tries it too.
Originally Posted by Cramer
The mystery of the disappearing ship raises several other questions: can Dawnstar not track intangible Tinya? What about invisible Jacques?


I think it’s because Bgtzl is not within our universe that stumped her power. Or the ship moved to the buffer zone, and that’s sort of outside the universe too. The same way she couldn’t track the Lost Legionnaires in the earlier issues. Actually, sicne it’s essentially the same thing, her powers not working here seems less of a plot fudge.

Jacques might be tough to trace if he’s in the Dream Dimension. But if he’s in ours then she would be able to find him. Besides, even when invisible, Dawny would find him because she’d hear things like “Mon dieu, I am trapped under debris again!” or “Mademoiselle, I have a convenient info dump to share!”

I see Raz has covered this smile

Originally Posted by Raz
Also again I dunno if I am remembering it wrong or not, but in that story the Bgtzlr guy who used his power on the ship looked like Phantom Lad, yeah? I don't think anyone's ever actually said it was him, but I wonder if it was an easter egg?


It seems that it’s just some random guy form her home dimension. I like to think of him as Phantom Lad too.


Originally Posted by HWW
We’ve seen Daxamites and Imskians turning to the dark side (pun intended); now it’s a Bgztlian’s turn. The 30th century could be a very interesting and dangerous place if more people decided to use their native talents for bad.


We get Braalians in a later issue of this volume too. If it happened often, you’d want part of the Legion’s set up to be to counter it.

Originally Posted by HWW
It’s almost a letdown that Jan gets re-elected. After the big build-up, one would expect another dark horse (Timber Wolf?!) to emerge as Dream Girl did a couple of years ago. But Jan gets the nod again. He deserves it, of course, and his leadership will provide continuity as the team takes on several new members at once. Still, it seems like a letdown.


Brin was 38/1 according to a police officer trying to get inside information to cheat the bookies. Apparently, the SPs get weekly scans, but it must be like confessional where everything they’ve done gets forgiven.

Originally Posted by HWW
I’m not saying the Fatal Five have to come crashing in to disrupt every election, or that somebody has to angsty lose his or her powers. But there should be a greater sense of danger, at least as a subplot. In hindsight, we get some danger over the long haul—with Universo working behind the scenes and Crisis about to engulf everyone—but these arcs move at such a snail’s pace for the Legion that Levitz should be dubbed Molasses Lad. As we discussed previously, having a payoff in every chapter of a serialized story keeps readers enthralled. There should at least be some forward momentum or sense of urgency.


In one of the Titans’ Companions, the editor responsible for Titans Hunt said that every issue of the book had become “a very special issue of…” and that he wanted to inject more immediate drama into things. I think the success of both books meant that there was a little bit more of a hands off approach when the departure of Perez and Giffen should have required a bit more of intervention. Plot-wise, they’ve been fine on paper. Here we get movement with the Desai, Laurel, Founder, Brin quest, membership plots all within a little faux silver age opening short story. But a couple of issues of this would show that it’s needs a bit more direct peril. And that should have come at the end of the opening arc of the book.

Originally Posted by HWW
Instead, the entire second “story” (which is really just the second half of the first story) drags on interminably, showing us how different people anticipate the results of the Legion’s election. We already know the Legionnaires are stars across the UP and that they make the news every time they burp.


I didn’t mind this so much, although the overly cartoony art didn’t really work for me. I’d rather have seen it combined in the main story though, showing how Legionnaires like Gim and Chuck deal with events of this magnitude while living away form HQ.

Originally Posted by HWW
Also, Ganglios (the future Tellus) is matter-of-factly dropped into a Legion Academy scene. We haven’t seen him before, correct? His appearance comes across as an intrusion. We’re expected to believe that this character has been interacting with Pol, Jed, Laurel and CQ for some time?


I didn’t think so either. He’s a Lightle design so he’s not been around for long. They do link him to the special student in the tank from #304, so technically he’s been around for a while.
Originally Posted by Cramer
Tellus first appeared in #9, hovering over Laurel along with the other students - but wasn't named.


Thanks Birthday Girl.

Originally Posted by HWW
LSH 12 is by no means a bad issue, but it needs a lot of tight editing. Someone should have said to Levitz, “I know you love the Legion, and the fans love the Legion, but what about the hundreds of thousands of comic book fans who aren’t that into the Legion? How do we draw them in and keep them interested?” Of course, Karen Berger probably wanted to keep her job


Berger has never struck me as being shy to express her views. Until you see the final product, things look fine. The Controller plot had more in it than you’d see in most other books of the period. It just lacked in the execution of the main plot a bit. That it’s become a bit of a trend should have been remedied by now. As you say, it’s an okay issue rather than being a poor one. Or a really good one. But then, the next couple…
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Effort is made to tell us that while Superboy is helping out, he never rejoins. Much like previous issues, it’s a done thing as far as DC are concerned. Perhaps Levitz was just enforcing Crisis. Superboy isn’t going to be around for much longer.


The Legion really could have messed with Superboy: "We know who you're going to marry. . . . You're going to die, but you come back. . . . Be sure to major in journalism in college." Kal would never be sure if the Legionnaires were dropping hints or just goofing off. "Gee, I guess I'll major in architecture just to show them."

Superboy has at least a couple of appearances left, including, of course, the four-part crossover which writes him out for good.

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It doesn’t seem os long since Jan took over from Nura.


Levitz seems to have revived the tradition of having a new election approximately every year of real time. The previous few leaderships (Mon-El, Wildfire, and Lightning Lad) lasted at least a couple of years of publication time. Not having so many elections gave the impression of each "year" of Legion time lasting longer and being more packed with significant events, just as a year in a life of any organization would be. Annual elections give the impression that not much has happened each year (though the events which have happened have been quite huge). It also left me wondering about the time span of certain events, such as how long Jan and the rest were lost.

Being told that elections occur "every so often" is comic bookese for not nailing things down by being too specific. Presumably, this prevented the time line from moving forward too quickly. I remember writing an article for Amazing Heroes (never published) in which I speculated that Legion elections were now held every nine months. This would allow for a reasonable passage of time yet still keep the timeline moving forward. However, it would (in hindsight) also complicate things unnecessarily and is something few writers would want to keep track of. (Although Giffen did keep close track of the passage of time in 5YL.)

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What is similar to Newell’s story is seeing a happy Dawnstar forget herself while on a mission.


Good observation. I like the changes Dawny has gone through in these issues.

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Levitz cleverly gave us a science with the founders, Jan and voting for a reason. We now see them after they’ve voted. It’s their final act as active Legionnaires and they resign form active duty. Jan is hesitant once again. But that’s okay. The founders aren’t leaving before they outline a few plans.


Levitz was quite good at setting up scenes like this.

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The team that were headlined by Superboy, moved out into their own title and that title was popular enough to launch a Baxter book. . . .

Both titles have seen the founders and their Kryptonite stars move into the background. Crisis is here, and it’s going to bring changes. Some unanticipated ones will have the biggest impact and controversy.


Well put. The Legion had certainly grown up, as had many of its fans. The fact that the Legion was still relevant to us, and vice versa, says something about how resilient, flexible, and positive the series was.

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In one of the Titans’ Companions, the editor responsible for Titans Hunt said that every issue of the book had become “a very special issue of…” and that he wanted to inject more immediate drama into things. I think the success of both books meant that there was a little bit more of a hands off approach when the departure of Perez and Giffen should have required a bit more of intervention. Plot-wise, they’ve been fine on paper. Here we get movement with the Desai, Laurel, Founder, Brin quest, membership plots all within a little faux silver age opening short story. But a couple of issues of this would show that it’s needs a bit more direct peril. And that should have come at the end of the opening arc of the book.


Thanks for sharing the info from the Titans Companion. It's the old corporate philosophy: If it's not broken, don't fix it. But I think the "break" in both Titans and Legion occurred gradually and came in the form of staleness following the departure of a key creator. Giffen did not "love" the Legion as a fan, like Levitz did, and he was not above shaking things up for the hell of it. He was yin to Levitz's yang. Without him, the book has lost much of its sizzle.


Fat Cramer:

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Tellus first appeared in #9, hovering over Laurel along with the other students - but wasn't named.


His existence (though not his appearance) was indicated in LSH # 304, when there is an academy student communicating with the others by means of a hovering speaker/receiver, about whom it is said that for the time being, he cannot survive outside of his special environment chamber.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Superboy has at least a couple of appearances left, including, of course, the four-part crossover which writes him out for good.


Ah, but is that really that Superboy? smile

Originally Posted by HWW

Levitz seems to have revived the tradition of having a new election approximately every year of real time. The previous few leaderships (Mon-El, Wildfire, and Lightning Lad) lasted at least a couple of years of publication time. Not having so many elections gave the impression of each "year" of Legion time lasting longer and being more packed with significant events, just as a year in a life of any organization would be. Annual elections give the impression that not much has happened each year (though the events which have happened have been quite huge). It also left me wondering about the time span of certain events, such as how long Jan and the rest were lost.


The lettercol in this very issue that raised the same question of Jan's tenure seemingly being short, funnily enough. Levitz responded with "We're open to extending terms - maybe we should hold an informal vote on how many issues a leader's term should run. But when you're considering that, please remember that: (a) this year, we've got two issues a month, and (b) it takes many months for after the announcement of an election to work the results into our stories... the results announced in #306 were from an election in #296!" Combine that, and Element Lad had a thirty-one issue term by the time we concluded this election!"

The Election Results are also posted:-

91 - Jan
87 - Querl
71 - Brin (I wonder if Cusimano put money on him being deputy?)
70 - Tasmia
53 - Drake
43 - Blok
42 - Nura and Dirk
41 - Tinya
38 - Rokk and Mysa
36 - Lar
28 - Dawnstar
26 - Jo
25 - Salu
22 - Reep
19 - Imra
17 - Thom
12 - Garth
09 - Jacques
05 - Gim

Originally Posted by HWW
Well put. The Legion had certainly grown up, as had many of its fans. The fact that the Legion was still relevant to us, and vice versa, says something about how resilient, flexible, and positive the series was.


Well put yourself, sir. smile


Originally Posted by HWW
Thanks for sharing the info from the Titans Companion. It's the old corporate philosophy: If it's not broken, don't fix it. But I think the "break" in both Titans and Legion occurred gradually and came in the form of staleness following the departure of a key creator. Giffen did not "love" the Legion as a fan, like Levitz did, and he was not above shaking things up for the hell of it. He was yin to Levitz's yang. Without him, the book has lost much of its sizzle.


Before v7 Levitz did an interview where he was going to "f*!$" with the cast, and it just read as a ridiculously forced thing for him to say, to try and attract attention to the book. Giffen would do that, and even he would have/ seek plot related reasons for doing it (huffs aside), that would then be firmly guided by editorial (when there was a decent editorial to firmly guide). It reminded me of Wolfman going along with the editors of Titans Hunt and beyond because he was struggling with writer's block. I see the similar tone as a clear sign of writers whose time has come to seek new challenges. smile

Tales #325 5 to the Infinite Power by Paul Levitz, & Mindy Newell, art by Dan Jurgens & Karl Kesel, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by Bob Lappan

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The Legionnaires rescue Dev-em,primarily thanks to Lar's actions, and escape from Dark Circle blasts. The return to the ship orbiting destroyed Amadus just as Gigi hangs up on a reporter for celebrity news, seeking a story on her romance with Dirk. She still believes Dev-em is a traitor. Lar administers medical help, reviving Dev-em, and talks about the connection between Daxam and Krytpon.

At Legion HQ, Gim works out as Dirk teases him about Yera and brushes off the trick Gim, Yera and Gigi played on him. They join Jan, Tinya and Blok on a ship to rendezvous with Gigi and the Legionnaires. Now fully recovered, Dev-em joins the Legionnaires to seek out the Dark Circle, informing them that there are only five oribinal Circle members, but they have been cloned multiple times.

In their Citadel, each of the five Dark Circle members, including Ontiir, boast of their importance to the movement and claim to have thousands of worlds under their clones' control. Although they lost Dev-em, they still have his cells to enable further cloning. The Legionnaires burst through a wall, one of the Circle recognizes Mysa. There's an explosion and the Circle escape. As the Legionnaires are attacked by Dev-em's clones, Jo asks if it's okay to kill a clone and Lar tells him they're still living beings. Mysa prepares a spell, which incorporates the clones with Dev-em.

Gigi speaks with Zendak. She admits she was wrong about Dev-em, but is angered that Zendak sent her to Bismoll with the Subs and has stuck her with monitoring Dev-em's spy work.

While the escaped Dark Circle bicker, Tinya enters their ship, then the rest of Jan's team joins them to capture the five. One of the five (or all of them?) commits suicide amid a flash of green light and vows that no human can contain his power. Zendak reports that all the clones on the dark Circle world have died.

Epilogue 1: Gigi and Dev-em discuss events and he considers joining the Science Police, if it means keeping close to Gigi. She thinks to herself that he has possibilities.

Epilogue 2: Mysa and Blok reflect on the past year and settle down to review holos of various cases. The next morning, Garth and Imra find them asleep before the monitor and tell readers what stories are ahead for Tales of the Legion.

Comments:

Not too shabby for a wrap-up issue, which leaves more mysteries about the Dark Circle. The big reveal is that there are only five originals and the rest are cloned; we also learn that they have thousands of planets under their control. Is that an exaggeration, or is it just a very big galaxy? It would seem to dwarf the reach of the United Planets, the Khundish Empire and the Dominion.

It's not clear if all the five commit suicide (or are killed?), but the green light surrounding the one shown, his claim that the non-human power will live on and his recognition of Mysa suggest magic (possibly Mordru involved) or green energy (GLs or Emerad Eye). With all the clones dead at the same time, it looks like a major power vacuum has just opened up, but I don't recall any Circle activity until 5YL, at which point they've become very strong and are working with Universo. So perhaps we should add Universo into the mix of possible forces, along with the Green Lantern suggestion.

We finally learn that Ontiir was on the side of the Dark Circle - or maybe not, if his clone was capable of independent thought.

Lar really shines here. He's pretty much the one who rescues Dev-em, with assist from Jo and Mysa. He's the one who maintained faith in Dev-em's loyalty, who takes care of the medical treatment and who reminds (or reigns in) Jo about not killing living beings.

Mysa's reabsorption spell is quite spectacular. She was able to whip it up pretty quickly, given that she just found out about the clones. Good solution, but it certainly makes Mysa the go-to solution for any outlandish problem.

Gigi does a very quick turnaround on Dev-em - a rebound romance? He's pretty chauvinistic and super-egotistical, but it appears to appeal to her, although she just had that same personality with Dirk. She complains to Zendak about being dispatched to Bismoll before being put on ICC/Dev-em back-up, referencing the Subs Special, conveniently advertised in this issue.

Although the Legion crashes through a lot of walls when Lar, Jo or Kal are around, Jan makes a nice point that he was able to just change the hull wall of the Circle ship to oxygen. There's still a hole in the hull, though, which either got repaired by the ship's systems or he maintained that air bubble until they returned to the Legion cruiser.
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The Legion about to fight a giant Jan Arrah who, as the terrible Omniphagos, has his mouth open and is about to eat a planet, is a suitable dramatic cover for the final new story in Tales.

Inside, we get the concluding part of the Dev-Em story. The splash page picks up right where we left off. Jo points out that Dev looks to be dead, as he’s encased in the poisoning green of Krypttonite. All the other elements are there too (story ones, not to go with Kryptonite) form last issue. Lar and Mysa, are with Jo and we see two of the Dev-Em clones they’ve just finished off. The Dark Circle control the ship where Dev-Em is entombed.

The Circle try to blackmail the Legionnaires not surrendering, but Jo and Lar manage to free him easily and escape. It was far too easy, considering the build up. But they are tow of the most powerful heroes, and Lar was very annoyed. Besides, going along with villainous plots is just what the heroes are supposed to do, so that must have confused the Circle somewhat smile

Dev is rushed back to the SP ship where we get another hint of the Legion’s celebrity status. Reporters are calling on duty officer Cusimano for gossip on an affair with Sun Boy. Her reaction suggests that this one will continue, and that’s confirmed by Gim and Dirk’s near confrontation in the next scene. It doesn’t look as though Dirk has learned much. The two join Jan, Tinya and Blok as back up to Lar, Jo and Mysa.

No wonder the UP’s economy would later tank, if they fit all of their shuttles with technology to cure poisoned Kryptonians. Dev looked worse than any poisoning that Kal went through. Yet, like the rescue, he recovers very quickly. After setting the equipment up, the team have a chat about Kryptonian/ Daxamite heritage and Mysa traces her ancestry back to Earth.

A very healthy Dev-Em, in a new costume, joins the others as they head back into Dark Circle territory. Dev reveals that the Circle are really five individuals with lots of clones. They had wanted Dev to be the sixth. Unlike the five, he would have been a prisoner. The would have been better trying to entice Ol-Virr into their schemes. That would have made for a climax when the kid realised the Circle weren’t all serving Darkseid. We’re reminded that there’s still five Dev clones out there, and the genetic material to make more. Mysa seems determined to ensure that the cells will be taken care of. It’s a set up panel, showing that bit of writing craft that goes into the structure.

The Jurgens/ Kesel art also continues to be excellent throughout. We switch to a nice double page spread of the five Dark Circle members engaging in some recriminations, while telling us about what they brought to the organisation. There’s a very good set up panel as one of the circle dramatically removed his cowl.

As the Legion arrives (careless of the Circle to sign post their HQ & who needs Dawny when you have Plot Powers?) it allows Mysa to recognise the man. Cloning mixed with sorcery? The Circle detonate a bomb, but it doesn’t seem to hurt anyone. Mysa must have had a handy invulnerability spell active. Jo comments about the code against killing applying to clones. The dialogue is supposed to give the scene a little edge, but it just makes the Legion look as though they’re constantly on the look out for things that they can get away with killing, only to have their fun spoilt by the code.
Mysa gets time to prepare her spell and the Dev-Em clones are reabsorbed into the original. Jo does run some interference for her, but there’s nothing to really suggest that we’re dealing with five super powerful Kryptonite clones here. They took out Jo fairly easily last time, but there’s no panels showing a real conflict here.

The ease continues as the back up team intercept the main Circle craft. They smile and joke their way through easily beating some major Legion foes. The captured Circle boast that they will not be stopped by incarceration on Takron Galtos. They also reveal their plan is still to conquer Earth and that they will use their captured cells to achieve it. Threats made, the one Mysa recognised seems to mentally pull a switch and every Dark Circle clone dies. That includes those who were on the ship.

The SPs think that this has put the Circle’s plans back decades. But the spine of v4 involves the cells that the Legion strangely couldn’t find on the Circle’s ship, or form investigation on their now dead homeworld.

Dev-Em gets a commendation for the Circle’s defeat, and plays down the Legion’s role in events in that immodest way that prevents the heroes from ever really taking to him. There’s a hint that his options are open. Will he stay with the ICC, join the Science Police or… join the Legion?

The Legion let in Atmos and Myg eventually, and Drake’s already in there, so personality isn’t always a criteria for membership.

Cusimano has switched from calling Dev-Em a traitor, and not seemingly being too pleased to help him recover form poisoning to starting a burgeoning romance with him. She and Dirk may be more alike than she thinks. That’s something Mon El pointed out earlier. As Erin departed her part on the mission to turn up in a Superman story, Cusimano replaced her following another spin off; this time to the Legion of Subs Special.

A final epilogue shows Mysa and Blok update the records of the mission, as the curtain falls on the original tales. As they fall asleep watching the archives, two of the departing founders arrive to break the fourth wall. They tell the readers about the Baxter book and that Tales will be reprinting Baxter issues from next month. In a lovely touch, little Graym is shown playing with the subscription form at the bottom.

In the letter column, Margaret-Mary Martin talks about the Brainy-Kara relationship following #320. Levitz’s answer is interesting.

“The relationship fascinates us as much as it does you, Margaret-Mary, so don’t be surprised if we find a way to make it a more regular part of the Legion tales. In fact, there are some developments in the DC Universe that might make that necessary.”

That’s an early Sensor Girl hint, and we’re nearly into the start of those developments in the Baxter book. Unfortunately, whatever Levitz had thought was going to happen for Brainy, Kara and Kal, wasn’t how things would work out.

In summary, I did enjoy the Circle story. I’ve enjoyed all of the last year of Tales, and would have liked to have seen them continue, even if under other creative teams. Schoemaker & Jurgens were excellent Legion artists to follow Giffen, and Newell brought plenty of new insights to the book too.

I wonder if DC ever had discussions about multiple books, to cash in on the success of Titans and Legion, along the same lines as Marvel did around the X-Men, when the New Mutants came around.
The Circle story did get wrapped up a little too conveniently. It’s no bad thing to be left wanting more from a story. But Dev’s poisoning didn’t amount to much. The Circle’s plans folded very quickly, again, including bombs that did little damage and clones that were ineffectual. The Circle have been key protagonists across the last year of Tales stories, and all they’ve managed to do is kill everyone on their own planet. There is the threat of a different Circle Empire emerging. So perhaps, like Mordru, Starfinger, The Trapper etc, this is another evolution of the Legion's threats.

Li’l thoth’s trip to the land of Elsenwhen

The Atari Force return to New Earth in #19. Back when New Earth was an idea that hadn’t reached the Legion. Atari Force had a lot of very good back up stories, and this issue is no exception.
The cries from older JLA readers had been heard, and the original team return in #240. Even if it’s only a flashback story against a dull foe called Dr Anomaly. Sekowsky art though, and a Busiek story.
Regular artist Chick Patton, is helping out on Batman #385 this month, which is a Calendar Man story.

The current team turned up in Hawkman’s Shadow War mini #3. The Hawks are destroying all of their technology to deny it to their enemies. That includes all the Thanagarian gizmos the JLA has used over the years.

As I’ve mentioned in my Justice League Detroit thread, a lot of Leaguers had they’re own series in the pipeline just as Gerry Conway made a point of not including anyone who had a series. A lot of those series were touted as being a lot better than they turned out to be. The Shadow War mini was interesting, but the regular series that followed limped along.
The Red Tornado series, that promised huge changes started this month, and didn’t deliver. Crisis did that.

Likewise, the Martian Manhunter revision of J’Emm was also limping near its conclusion this month in #11.

Tales of the Teen Titans #55 has all of Gar Logan’s pent up anger unleashed against the Terminator. I probably didn’t appreciate it as much at the time, partly form not having read all the issues. But it’s one story where Wolfman could have gone in a standard direction, but chooses to let it take a more natural course with the result of an issue that really stands the test of time.
Eduardo Barreto did a superb cover for #55, and he also did excellent interior work in #19. Just as good as his higher profile predecessors on both titles.

Swan and Schaffenberger continue their classic looks in Superman. But DC’s art is also looking forward with McManus on Omega Men and Alan Davis on Batman & the Outsiders. Todd Macfarlane is the artist on Dr Fate’s origin in All-Star Squadron #47 (Roy Thomas seems to be shifting some gears on that one to change it’s approach). Kevin O’Neill gets to draw the back up in Green Lantern. Not with an Alan Moore story though.

The main story in GL features Green Arrow and Black Canary. Being a back up in detective was enough to keep them out of the JLA. Former Legion artist Pat Broderick was drawing the main story in Detective Comics this month.

Moore is writing “sophisticated suspense” in Swamp Thing before DC feel comfortable using the word “horror” never mind “vertigo”

Bender is another classic artist working in the back up of Action Comics. Aliens looking for a Superman to appear in their movie of the hero come up with some unlikely seeming candidates. There’s a solid message nicely placed under this one, as there is in the main story that I probably didn’t appreciate at the time.

Vigilante #19 has stereotypes throughout, but does have a good father/son relationship twist at the end.

The closing statements are being made in the Flash trial, as the Reverse Flash looks to be back from the dead. Has the whole trial been in error?

The big issue this month is Ambush Bug #2, introducing Quantis, the Koala that walked like a man! Visual gags! Wordplay! Caption gags! Just gags! Continuity gags guest starring Jonni DC! An amazing cliffhanger and a deep love of DC. It hasn’t dated a bit.

I got a DC booklet with some recent buys, and they were advertising Jonni DC in exactly the same role for one of the current books. It’s got its work cut out for it to come anywhere close to this one.
Crisis moved onto #4, with the death of the Monitor, while Who’s Who was on #5

As I got Ambush Bug #2, a limited series issue, li’l thoth must have been up to the city comic shops.

It was a great time to start reading, as I was being introduced to all of DC through Crisis and Who’s Who. I got a little nostalgic feeling from looking at both those covers, indicating that they were ones I picked up before some of the rest of the run. My trips weren’t regular so I’d be picking up a couple of issues at a time for titles I couldn’t get at the news stand.

From the newsstand I’d have got: JLA, Tales of the Titans and Legion, All-Star, Atari Force

From the Big Smoke – Ambush Bug, Crisis and Who’s Who. That seems like a flying visit, so perhaps I picked up some books form previous months as well this time round. I do recall getting a few Who's Who's at the same time. Comic book bliss.

I’ve also picked up Firestorm, Superman and Flash from some time around that period, but none of them stand out.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
Not too shabby for a wrap-up issue, which leaves more mysteries about the Dark Circle. The big reveal is that there are only five originals and the rest are cloned; we also learn that they have thousands of planets under their control. Is that an exaggeration, or is it just a very big galaxy? It would seem to dwarf the reach of the United Planets, the Khundish Empire and the Dominion.


Thanks for pointing that out. As I was reading it, I remembered that there’s five main worlds on the UP map under their domain 9I think). Certainly not the thousands. But the galaxy is a big place, they are an insidious lot, and perhaps we only get to see a small fraction of what’s out there.

Originally Posted by Cramer
It's not clear if all the five commit suicide (or are killed?), but the green light surrounding the one shown, his claim that the non-human power will live on and his recognition of Mysa suggest magic (possibly Mordru involved) or green energy (GLs or Emerad Eye).


I got the feeling that one killed all the others, with the others and perhaps even the one instigating the self destruct being a clone. Although that one recognised Mysa, there’s no reason why a clone wouldn’t either. The Nolan, Norg and Dev-Em clones were all capable of recognition. I was thinking Mordru, with a link having been made back in the Annual or Mysa’s origin back up issues.
Good spot on the Green Energy. That certainly opens up a lot of story possibilities.

Originally Posted by Cramer
We finally learn that Ontiir was on the side of the Dark Circle - or maybe not, if his clone was capable of independent thought.


There’s another fairly independent Ontiir coming up.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Lar really shines here. He's pretty much the one who rescues Dev-em, with assist from Jo and Mysa. He's the one who maintained faith in Dev-em's loyalty, who takes care of the medical treatment and who reminds (or reigns in) Jo about not killing living beings.


You’re right. He’s really the leader here. There’s only that slight anger form seeing power levels near his own abused that drives him into action. His scientific background, not just of Kryptonian genetics was another nice touch. It’s the sort of thing I like seeing with Nura too.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Mysa's reabsorption spell is quite spectacular. She was able to whip it up pretty quickly, given that she just found out about the clones. Good solution, but it certainly makes Mysa the go-to solution for any outlandish problem.


It was a lovely visual. It changed Dev-Em’s hair colour for a panel. She also survived a bomb blast moments before, and last issue scanned for life signs, created force cubes, kept a hull together, turned invisible and intangible, entranced someone and altered someone else’s senses. So, she’s a bit too handy really, despite Levitz going to some trouble to keep her reigned in.

Originally Posted by Cramer
She complains to Zendak about being dispatched to Bismoll before being put on ICC/Dev-em back-up, referencing the Subs Special, conveniently advertised in this issue.


Why rely on the in house ads if you can make it a seamless part of your storyline smile
Originally Posted by thoth
The Legion about to fight a giant Jan Arrah who, as the terrible Omniphagos, has his mouth open and is about to eat a planet, is a suitable dramatic cover for the final new story in Tales.


What a connection there! How many other covers predict future storylines?

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Reporters are calling on duty officer Cusimano for gossip on an affair with Sun Boy. Her reaction suggests that this one will continue, and that’s confirmed by Gim and Dirk’s near confrontation in the next scene. It doesn’t look as though Dirk has learned much.


Or he's putting on a brave face. Gim doesn't seem to like Dirk very much at this point. Something else else to watch out for in future issues.

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The would have been better trying to entice Ol-Virr into their schemes. That would have made for a climax when the kid realised the Circle weren’t all serving Darkseid.


Apart from an interest to revive Dev-em, one has to wonder why Levitz didn't use Ol-Virr - or any of the other LSV.

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As the Legion arrives (careless of the Circle to sign post their HQ & who needs Dawny when you have Plot Powers?) it allows Mysa to recognise the man. Cloning mixed with sorcery?


We never find out who he was, do we? I thought he might be one of the sorcerers from Mysa's backstory or the group in Annual #3 (trying to revive Mordru), but no match. The thought just occurs to me that he could be Naltorian, so he was prepared for capture - and revival.

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Dev-Em gets a commendation for the Circle’s defeat, and plays down the Legion’s role in events in that immodest way that prevents the heroes from ever really taking to him. There’s a hint that his options are open. Will he stay with the ICC, join the Science Police or… join the Legion?

The Legion let in Atmos and Myg eventually, and Drake’s already in there, so personality isn’t always a criteria for membership.


You have to wonder about fan reaction to Dev-em. It must have been neutral to negative, since he was pretty scarce (did he appear at all?) after this. This James Bond wannabe is very different from the members of the Legion Espionage Squad.

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Cusimano has switched from calling Dev-Em a traitor, and not seemingly being too pleased to help him recover form poisoning to starting a burgeoning romance with him. She and Dirk may be more alike than she thinks. That’s something Mon El pointed out earlier.


Hadn't picked up on that, but the scene does reinforce Mon-El's comment.

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In the letter column, Margaret-Mary Martin talks about the Brainy-Kara relationship following #320. Levitz’s answer is interesting.

“The relationship fascinates us as much as it does you, Margaret-Mary, so don’t be surprised if we find a way to make it a more regular part of the Legion tales. In fact, there are some developments in the DC Universe that might make that necessary.”

That’s an early Sensor Girl hint, and we’re nearly into the start of those developments in the Baxter book. Unfortunately, whatever Levitz had thought was going to happen for Brainy, Kara and Kal, wasn’t how things would work out.


Oh, the might-have-beens... but perhaps better to have not seen this one come to pass than to have something horrible happen to one or the other (à la 5YL Laurel Gand) under the mad plotting of Keith Giffen.

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The Circle story did get wrapped up a little too conveniently. It’s no bad thing to be left wanting more from a story. But Dev’s poisoning didn’t amount to much. The Circle’s plans folded very quickly, again, including bombs that did little damage and clones that were ineffectual. The Circle have been key protagonists across the last year of Tales stories, and all they’ve managed to do is kill everyone on their own planet. There is the threat of a different Circle Empire emerging. So perhaps, like Mordru, Starfinger, The Trapper etc, this is another evolution of the Legion's threats.


Too conveniently sums it up. There may have been pressure to wrap up Tales with three fewer pages used for the Epilogues. At least there's the hint that the Circle isn't entirely gone. However, they have a lot of ground to cover between now and their 5YL expansion, which would be, what - 10 years max?

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It was a great time to start reading, as I was being introduced to all of DC through Crisis and Who’s Who. I got a little nostalgic feeling from looking at both those covers, indicating that they were ones I picked up before some of the rest of the run. My trips weren’t regular so I’d be picking up a couple of issues at a time for titles I couldn’t get at the news stand.

From the newsstand I’d have got: JLA, Tales of the Titans and Legion, All-Star, Atari Force

From the Big Smoke – Ambush Bug, Crisis and Who’s Who. That seems like a flying visit, so perhaps I picked up some books form previous months as well this time round. I do recall getting a few Who's Who's at the same time. Comic book bliss.


Comic book bliss indeed! Thanks for the memories.
Tales 325:

The cover provides us with a clear indication that something big (heh) is about to happen. It’s the kind of iconic, flag-waving cover (sans flag) meant to tug our heartstrings as it sends our Legion heroes off to the stars. This is the last newsstand issue to feature an original story, so there’s a wistful sense of goodbye implied in the image. At the same time, the Legionnaires are embarking on a new voyage for bigger and better things (actually, it’s a voyage that’s been ongoing for a year, but whatever).

I do question the choice of Element Lad’s head symbolically dominating the cover. Even as leader, he hasn’t generated the sort of emotional resonance that makes such prominence worthwhile. Superboy would have been a better choice, even though he doesn’t appear in the story. Kal inspired the Legion, after all, and it’s “his” book the team is leaving. The Legion has starred in Kal’s book for an unbroken streak of 129 issues. They really needed to stop by and say farewell to their former host.

The story plays up Dev-Em as if to suggest he will take Superboy’s place on the team. After being rescued by the Legion, Dev quickly recovers from the kryptonite trap in which they found him. He banters with Mon-El over whether Daxam colonized Krypton or vice versa and then joins the team for its assault on the Dark Circle. Along the way, he drops the bombshell that the Dark Circle is really just an army of clones generated from five guys—showing that his covert mission did reveal something unexpected about these long-time Legion enemies. Dev plays well with the Legion, and his full-of-himself dialogue makes a nice contrast to the play-nice Legionnaires.

This is the first story in which I’ve actually liked Dev-Em. We finally get to know him and see him interact with the Legionnaires. There’s a sense of kinship (and not just in the Daxamite/Kryptonian sense) that was missing from his recent appearances. I can also buy him as someone Gigi might be attracted to; he combines the dashing and derring-do qualities of Dirk but seems only superficially narcissistic. Either that, or Gigi is in a rut of being attracted to the same kind of guy.

To his credit, Dev doesn’t hog the story. Other Legionnaires get plenty of panel time. The bottom panel of page 6 is one of my favorite images of Lar; his playful grin suggests he genuinely cares about Dev, like a doctor expressing relief that a patient has survived. Jo takes an assertive role in battle and serves as the communication link between his team and Jan’s. He seems to have a knack for asking the right question at the right time—inquiring whether it is acceptable to kill clones needed to be addressed, just to establish boundaries.

Mysa is more subdued this time, though she once again demonstrates what a powerhouse she is in battle by whipping up a spell to reintegrate Dev with his clones.

Sun Boy, however, shows how nasty his nasty streak can be. We learn that he convinced Zendak to send Gigi to Bismoll as punishment for her attempt to teach Dirk a lesson. She failed miserably. (Why Zendak went along is unclear.) Dirk makes an inappropriate crack about Gim’s wife and lets Gim know that he, too, will be the target of score-settling at the proper time. What a piece of work!

Other Legionnaires serve the needs of the plot, and that’s fine. It really feels like Dev and Gigi’s story. However, we do get a resolution of sorts to the long-running Dark Circle plotline. The idea that this entire society is nothing but clones makes good use of science fiction, and I love it when a long-running mystery about villains is finally solved. However, I could have done without Mysa being recognized by the human Dark Circle leader. Likewise, the ambiguous ending of the leaders and clones dying but possibly rebuilding their empire at a later date served as a typical cliffhanger. But the Legion does win this time, and that’s enough.

Although there are few surprises, this full-length tale offers an appropriate and uplifting conclusion to the Legion’s tenure in what began as Superboy’s title. It offers both a sense of closure and a jumping off point into new adventures with Blok and Mysa cuddling up to provide a smooth transition.

Nevertheless, I could have also done without the final scene of Imra and Garth breaking the fourth wall. It reminded me of Invisible Kid’s speech to readers in the reprint of the Legion’s origin in Secret Origins # 6, telling us to stay tuned for a wedding of two Legionnaires in Superboy # 200. Such blatant advertisement worked when I was nine; now it just feels like the characters are talking down to me. Perhaps that scene reflects the evolving sensibilities and expectations of newsstand readers versus comic shop readers. As one of the latter, I certainly saw myself as more sophisticated than I had been when comics were available exclusively through newsstands. smile

And here’s how these issues, including the Subs special, landed on my chart of April 9, 1985:

1. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 55 – DC
2. Zot! # 8 – Eclipse
3. Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes # 325 – DC
4. Amazing Spider-Man # 266 –Marvel
5. Iron Man # 196 – Marvel
6. Blue Devil # 14 – DC
7. Dreadstar & Company # 2 – Marvel/Epic
8. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 4 – DC
9. Shadow War of Hawkman # 3 – DC
10. Captain America # 307 – Marvel

11. Power Man & Iron Fist # 118 – Marvel
12. Fantastic Four # 280 – Marvel
13. All-Star Squadron # 47 – DC
14. New Teen Titans # 10 – DC
15. Fury of Firestorm # 37 – DC
16. Magniton Man # 2 – Kitchen Sink
17. Justice League of America # 240 – DC
18. Marvel Tales # 177 – Marvel
19. New Defenders # 145 – Marvel
20. Legion of Super-Heroes # 12 – DC

21. Red Tornado # 1 – DC
22. Green Lantern # 190 – DC
23. Nemesis # 7 – Eagle
24. 2000 A.D. # 3 – Eagle
25. Avengers # 257 – Marvel
26. Flash # 347 – DC
27. Gargoyle # 3 – Marvel
28. Legion of Substitute-Heroes Special # 1 – DC
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

With all the clones dead at the same time, it looks like a major power vacuum has just opened up . . .


Heh. This reminds me of the old Jackson Browne song, "Lawyers In Love," repurposed below:

. . . the Dark Circle escaped while we weren't watching them,
As villains will.
Now we've got all their worlds
They didn't even have girls
And I hear Cloneland will be open soon
As vacationland for Legionnaires in love.

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but I don't recall any Circle activity until 5YL, at which point they've become very strong and are working with Universo. So perhaps we should add Universo into the mix of possible forces, along with the Green Lantern suggestion.


With Dev-Em clones and Universo clones, the Dark Circle would have been unbeatable. Of course, they still couldn't get dates. smile


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We finally learn that Ontiir was on the side of the Dark Circle - or maybe not, if his clone was capable of independent thought.


It's interesting to speculate on if the Ontiir clone was capable of independent thought--and, if so, was it because he had been away from the homeworlds for some time? Are other clones capable of independent thought? This could be dangerous in a society of clones.


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Lar really shines here. He's pretty much the one who rescues Dev-em, with assist from Jo and Mysa. He's the one who maintained faith in Dev-em's loyalty, who takes care of the medical treatment and who reminds (or reigns in) Jo about not killing living beings.


Lar acts thoroughly professional and focused throughout. His dialogue to Gigi, "Officer! Please set up the medi-assist system, immediately!" establishes his commanding tone and presence. (I suppose Mysa could have said "Officer!" It's unlikely that Jo did. I rather like the idea of Lar dispensing with familiarity and staying focused on roles and tasks.)


Originally Posted by thoth
The Legion about to fight a giant Jan Arrah who, as the terrible Omniphagos, has his mouth open and is about to eat a planet, is a suitable dramatic cover for the final new story in Tales.


Looks to me like Jan is about to take a bite out of Mysa. "She's magically delicious!"


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No wonder the UP’s economy would later tank, if they fit all of their shuttles with technology to cure poisoned Kryptonians.


You never know when you'll come across an injured Kryptonian. wink


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In summary, I did enjoy the Circle story. I’ve enjoyed all of the last year of Tales, and would have liked to have seen them continue, even if under other creative teams. Schoemaker & Jurgens were excellent Legion artists to follow Giffen, and Newell brought plenty of new insights to the book too.


I enjoyed these stories, too. Ironically both Tales/Legion and Tales/Titans were hitting high marks with some of their most memorable stories, even though both series were about to revert to reprints. the Baxter titles, into which DC had sunk so much effort and capital, seemed to be floundering, if their rankings on my charts are any indication.


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The cries from older JLA readers had been heard, and the original team return in #240. Even if it’s only a flashback story against a dull foe called Dr Anomaly. Sekowsky art though, and a Busiek story.


This could be why 240 ranks so high on my chart. I never really took to JLDetroit. In a letter to DC or Comics Buyer's Guide, I once referred to them as "Aquaman & The Insiders."

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Originally Posted by cramer
Or he's putting on a brave face. Gim doesn't seem to like Dirk very much at this point. Something else else to watch out for in future issues.


Dirk makes a veiled threat at the end of their scene too. I think I read that Jan was supposed to wind Gim up too, but I’ve not seen any of that. A replacement for the Drake/Kal relationship might have been interesting.

Originally Posted by cramer
Apart from an interest to revive Dev-em, one has to wonder why Levitz didn't use Ol-Virr - or any of the other LSV.


I’ve been a little surprised at how unceremoniously they were dumped, even as the opening arc concluded. If I’m charitable I look at all the other villains Levitz brought back, adjusted, and moved on from. If I’m not, I’d think it was Giffen’s idea to bring them back and the moment he left, they were on a hiding to nothing. smile

With Ol-Vir there is also that shadow of Darkseid hanging over him. A writer, happy enough with GDS, but wanting to have some distance form it to create other stories might have been reluctant to go near too familiar territory.


Originally Posted by cramer
We never find out who he was, do we? I thought he might be one of the sorcerers from Mysa's backstory or the group in Annual #3 (trying to revive Mordru), but no match. The thought just occurs to me that he could be Naltorian, so he was prepared for capture - and revival.


I could swear he turns up somewhere, or that we’ve seen him before. I was thinking about the same issues as you were. I’ll think about that one.

Originally Posted by cramer
You have to wonder about fan reaction to Dev-em. It must have been neutral to negative, since he was pretty scarce (did he appear at all?) after this. This James Bond wannabe is very different from the members of the Legion Espionage Squad.


It would have been interesting for there to have been some sort of time storm preventing Kal and Kara helping out in the 30th century. That’s followed by the Dark Circle plot having more of an impact on the UP and Dev-Em becoming a member due a prominent role in thwarting it. Some of the Legion don’t like it too much, and perhaps there’s a little bit of leverage from Desai.

Then things take their course as personalities clash. He could quit, he could be fired, he could just prefer the espionage work, and perhaps look to take a Legionnaire or two with him? All sorts of plot fun there.

But with Crisis coming up, having a prominent Kryptonian wasn’t a good thing. Had Dev-Em somehow filled the gap because of Crisis, then he would look like a stand in, and that wouldn’t go down to well with a lot of readers. Since that’s all wiped away too, it’s just as well that didn’t happen either.

Originally Posted by cramer
Oh, the might-have-beens... but perhaps better to have not seen this one come to pass than to have something horrible happen to one or the other (à la 5YL Laurel Gand) under the mad plotting of Keith Giffen.


Looking back, I’d have liked to have seen her stay. Giffen was long gone in v4 when Laurel’s time on the team ended. He would have been there for her battle with BION though.


Originally Posted by cramer
Too conveniently sums it up. There may have been pressure to wrap up Tales with three fewer pages used for the Epilogues. At least there's the hint that the Circle isn't entirely gone. However, they have a lot of ground to cover between now and their 5YL expansion, which would be, what - 10 years max?


I think this prompts there move into undermining worlds form within, rather than through masses of clone armies.

Originally Posted by cramer
Comic book bliss indeed! Thanks for the memories.


There’s probably a German word for the feeling of comic book bliss. It’s beyond nostalgia. smile


Originally Posted by HWW
The story plays up Dev-Em as if to suggest he will take Superboy’s place on the team. After being rescued by the Legion, Dev quickly recovers from the kryptonite trap in which they found him. He banters with Mon-El over whether Daxam colonized Krypton or vice versa and then joins the team for its assault on the Dark Circle. Along the way, he drops the bombshell that the Dark Circle is really just an army of clones generated from five guys—showing that his covert mission did reveal something unexpected about these long-time Legion enemies. Dev plays well with the Legion, and his full-of-himself dialogue makes a nice contrast to the play-nice Legionnaires.


Like Comet Queen, and the increased Academy coverage since #304 (arguably since Levtiz took over) I think there is a bit of fun in teasing us with prospective members.

Originally Posted by HWW
I can also buy him as someone Gigi might be attracted to; he combines the dashing and derring-do qualities of Dirk but seems only superficially narcissistic. Either that, or Gigi is in a rut of being attracted to the same kind of guy.


That would have been nice to see play out. Levitz would have had to have made some tough choices about the way he wanted Dev-Em to go, considering his past.

Originally Posted by HWW
He seems to have a knack for asking the right question at the right time—inquiring whether it is acceptable to kill clones needed to be addressed, just to establish boundaries.


Reading your review makes me wonder if Jo could have been asking due to the treat posed by the clones being Kryptonian on power. But the clones just aren’t anywhere near as effective as they should have been this issue, and they were also beaten last issue. So, I’m still elaning on it being a bit of posturing writing.

Originally Posted by HWW
Mysa is more subdued this time, though she once again demonstrates what a powerhouse she is in battle by whipping up a spell to reintegrate Dev with his clones.


This is one big outcome to the story. We’ve seen Mysa take down a Khundian warlord in single combat. But this is against a grouped enemy in a space battle. There was a recent letter splitting the team into various power levels, that Levitz seemed to have some interest in, or rather ideas of his own. I think this story feeds into those ideas where the team moves away form Daxam and Krypton, while retaining powerful capabilities.

Originally Posted by HWW
Sun Boy, however, shows how nasty his nasty streak can be. We learn that he met with Zendak in LSH 11 to convince the chief to send Gigi to Bismoll in order to punish her for her attempt to teach Dirk a lesson. Unfortunately, she failed miserably. (Why Zendak went along is unclear.) Dirk makes an inappropriate crack about Gim’s wife and lets Gim know that he, too, will be the target of score-settling at the proper time. What a piece of work!


Being left alone at the park by GiGi just gave him time to become a little bitter beer.

Originally Posted by HWW
Other Legionnaires serve the needs of the plot, and that’s fine. It really feels like Dev and Gigi’s story. However, we do get a resolution of sorts to the long-running Dark Circle plotline. The idea that this entire society is nothing but clones makes good use of science fiction, and I love it when a long-running mystery about villains is finally solved.



Yup, I liked the evolution of the Dark Circle. I wasn’t quite as convinced by the off switch they all seemed to have. I might have been more convinced if some of that epilogue space had been used to show us the impact of a galaxy free of the Circle. The troops of the Circle never seemed to look like any of the leaders, so who were they] clones of?


Originally Posted by HWW
However, I could have done without Mysa being recognized by the human Dark Circle leader.


I don’t mind having stories seeding future plots, if it doesn’t obstruct the ending. I’m thinking of this story as something of a Mysa spotlight, moving her into a position of power (ability wise) in the team. Having something of a nemesis/ rogues gallery out there helps to build on her character.

Originally Posted by HWW
Likewise, the ambiguous ending of the leaders and clones dying but possibly rebuilding their empire at a later date served as a typical cliffhanger. But the Legion does win this time, and that’s enough.


Good point. Considering what the future holds, I should value reading the team win.

Originally Posted by HWW
Nevertheless, I could have also done without the final scene of Imra and Garth breaking the fourth wall. It reminded me of Invisible Kid’s speech to readers in the reprint of the Legion’s origin in Secret Origins # 6, telling us to stay tuned for a wedding of two Legionnaires in Superboy # 200. Such blatant advertisement worked when I was nine; now it just feels like the characters are talking down to me. Perhaps that scene reflects the evolving sensibilities and expectations of newsstand readers versus comic shop readers. As one of the latter, I certainly saw myself as more sophisticated than I had been when comics were available exclusively through newsstands. smile


I was wondering what the reaction to that scene was. A bit of breaking the fourth wall fun, violating the integrity of the Legionverse, shameless promotion. I wondered why we didn’t just get Blok and Mysa commenting a bit more about it, and as they fell asleep the editorial could have a nice dialogue box selling us the Baxter book.

Originally Posted by HWW
And here’s how these issues, including the Subs special, landed on my chart of April 9, 1985:


I’m going to have to find some Zot. Teeds put up a Zot cover recently too.
Tales does very well this month!
I’ve not even heard of Magniton Man

I see some Eagle comics on this list. Do let me know how you found those. The quality of the Eagle books (paper stock etc) was a step up from what we were getting.

What did you think of the Red Tornado mini?

Originally Posted by HWW
I enjoyed these stories, too. Ironically both Tales/Legion and Tales/Titans were hitting high marks with some of their most memorable stories, even though both series were about to revert to reprints. the Baxter titles, into which DC had sunk so much effort and capital, seemed to be floundering, if their rankings on my charts are any indication.


I’d agree with that for both too. When I did get to read the Titans stories in the news stand edition, I can’t say I was blown away. Like the LSV arc, NTT opened very strongly with the Trigon story. On paper, there’s certainly nothing wrong with the follow up, and certainly not the artist. But I was never that taken with them. The Crisis issues seemed particularly muddled. Odd considering who the writer was. Perhaps understandable considering the burn out form that series. Wolfman could have done with a Mindy Newall.

Originally Posted by HWW
This could be why 240 ranks so high on my chart. I never really took to JLDetroit. In a letter to DC or Comics Buyer's Guide, I once referred to them as "Aquaman & The Insiders."


I think I’ve heard someone quoting that. smile Your fame has lasted!

I got the opening arc, before I got the Annual that launched it. I didn’t mind the concept.

I had read a couple of letters in issues before that looking for more prominence for the B-Listers. Now, they are obviously there to support the changes, but there was a some more even discussion about it further back.

From my few issues, I was already seeing more of Green Arrow, Black Canary and the Hawks. It was Superman that stood out as being a little odd. The addition of Steel and Vixen were welcome enough. But it didn’t get very far out of the starting gate, before there were issues. Just going by the letters they printed. With all the background information now available (see JLD thread) it was really going to struggle.

But as for 240, I was bothered that it got in the way of the Justice League of Detroit story. I didn’t want to have an unknown flashback issue. My dad was getting me back issues for that. It seemed like it was a win for old readers at the expense of the new team. Which, looking back, it was and for any number of reasons.
Originally Posted by thoth lad


There’s probably a German word for the feeling of comic book bliss. It’s beyond nostalgia. smile


Comic-Glück, per Google Translate. smile


Originally Posted by thoth
Originally Posted by HWW
He seems to have a knack for asking the right question at the right time—inquiring whether it is acceptable to kill clones needed to be addressed, just to establish boundaries.


Reading your review makes me wonder if Jo could have been asking due to the treat posed by the clones being Kryptonian on power. But the clones just aren’t anywhere near as effective as they should have been this issue, and they were also beaten last issue. So, I’m still elaning on it being a bit of posturing writing.


This is Jo. Of course it's posturing. smile

I still think it's a valid question, though. Given that Brainy created Legion clones knowing they would self-destruct after 48 hours, it does open some grey area as to exactly what constitutes a living creature.


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I was wondering what the reaction to that scene was. A bit of breaking the fourth wall fun, violating the integrity of the Legionverse, shameless promotion. I wondered why we didn’t just get Blok and Mysa commenting a bit more about it, and as they fell asleep the editorial could have a nice dialogue box selling us the Baxter book.


Breaking the fourth wall isn't intrinsically bad--Levitz did it with Cosmic Boy in a cute little aside back in 297 or 298. Having fun with the characters isn't bad, either. I recall a New Teen Titans "short" in which the team went up against a stereotypically mad scientist with a ridiculous name. But when the characters basically say, "Buy our next book! It's going to be unlike anything you've ever seen!" they become the company's mouthpiece.


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I’m going to have to find some Zot. Teeds put up a Zot cover recently too.


Loved Zot! It became one of my favorite series of the '80s.

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I’ve not even heard of Magniton Man


It probably should be "Megaton Man." I had created a character called Magniton, and he must have been in my mind. smile

It's funny the typos you see decades later.

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I see some Eagle comics on this list. Do let me know how you found those. The quality of the Eagle books (paper stock etc) was a step up from what we were getting.


I would have bought them at one of the two comics shops I frequented at the time: Captain Comics in St. Joseph, MO, or Clint's Comics in Kansas City. As I recall, they weren't hard to come by.

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What did you think of the Red Tornado mini?


I don't remember it. The low ranking suggests I wasn't impressed. I saw an ad for it in the comics we've been discussing, and the art (Infantino, correct?) looked sloppy and cartoonish.


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Originally Posted by HWW
This could be why 240 ranks so high on my chart. I never really took to JLDetroit. In a letter to DC or Comics Buyer's Guide, I once referred to them as "Aquaman & The Insiders."


I think I’ve heard someone quoting that. smile Your fame has lasted!


It's great to have made another mark on the comics industry. laugh

And now, since this Archives thread is winding down, I hope everyone will permit me an indulgence. I re-read both JLA 240 and Tales/Titans 55 last night and think they are worth commenting on--if for no other reason than to provide a context for the Legion issues.

JLA 240 is indeed a throwback to the old JLA and even features their long-time artist, Mike Sekowsky (whose blocky figures look even more out of place in 1985, but they do have a quaint nostalgic appeal). The story concerns Dr. Anomaly, a physicist who in 1932 builds a time machine to travel into the future and find a cure for the Great Depression, which he hopes to bring back to his own time. In the "future" of the 1960s and 1970s, he witnesses the assassinations of JFK and MLK, student unrest, the Vietnam War, etc., and concludes, somehow, that gaudy super-heroes are to blame. He captures several members of the JLA and then, strangely, attacks the rest before he is defeated and escapes into the time stream—where he is discovered in 1985 by two STAR Lab scientists.

The story was written by Kurt Busiek, who would go on to explore the philosophical differences between the Marvel and DC U’s to great effect in Avengers Vs. JLA. Busiek’s desire to explore these “larger” issues and how people of good will can come to very different conclusions about how to solve problems is very much evident here. I started out liking and even admiring Dr. Anomaly. When a jobless man breaks into his home with a gun, Dr. A disarms the man and then feeds him and gives him food for his family. It is this incident which prompts Dr. A to build the time machine.

His dismay with the later eras is also understandable. How would one feel if one could travel from the 1980s into the present and see the horror of 9/11 and its aftermath? It would indeed look as if the world has gotten worse. It feels contrived, however, that he blames the decline of society on the JLA (although not far-fetched; I had a relative who attributed the decline of morals in society to the Beatles). From this point on, he becomes a stereotypical baddie—abandoning any pretense of nuance or ambiguity (which makes him the antithesis of Slade Wilson—The Terminator—who sees himself only as a legal mercenary and not the villain Changeling imagines him to be). Busiek tries to shoehorn too many ideas into this story—especially the professional/romantic entanglement of Daphne and Fred, the two STAR scientists. They are the two most interesting characters in the story, but the focus on them prevents Dr. A from developing into a more interesting and well-rounded villain.

Busiek, like many young writers, tried to do and say too much in this story. On one hand, it’s a nostalgia trip into a bygone era of the Justice League. On the other, it’s an attempt to say something deep and meaningful about a man who started out with great intentions but who became corrupted by his very ideals. On the third hand (!), it’s a glimpse into the lives of Fred and Daphne, and the tension between their professional and personal goals.

The lesson here (if there is one) is that a story should try to accomplish just one thing—like a thesis statement in an essay. It’s fine to work in other relevant ideas, but one story goal should dominate (which happens to a brilliant degree in the Titans story).

I’ll be back later to discuss Tales/Titans 55.
SPOILER WARNING: This thread discusses plot elements of Tales of the New Teen Titans 55; read at your own peril.


If JLA 240 represents a throwback to a simpler era, Tales of the New Teen Titans 55 is very much a product of its time: an effort to show how mature comics can be by focusing on complex personalities of the story’s two protagonists, Garfield Logan and Slade Wilson.

Wilson (The Terminator) gets an upgrade to protagonist status because the story is half told from his point of view, with Gar narrating the other half (red caption boxes are used for the former, blue for the latter). But while Gar and Wilson agree on the events depicted, each has a different view of what the events mean to him and why he chose to act the way he did.

The story resolves several years’ worth of story lines going back to New Teen Titans (first series) # 2 and involving Wilson’s deceased son, Grant (The Ravager), and the also deceased Terra (Tara Markov), whom Gar loved. Gar blames The Terminator for Tara’s death as well as Gar’s own recent demise (he was brought back by Amazon technology). Blinded by hatred, Gar plots to kill Wilson and, in previous issues, has gone to great lengths to discredit him by impersonating the Terminator while Wilson stands trial.

Wilson is sentenced to a minimum-security prison for a minor crime but released after less than a day. While he is in prison, Gar sneaks in and attack him as a rhinocerous. After destroying Wilson's cell, Gar flees before he can be spotted by guards. In a telling moment, Wilson refuses to tell the warden who attacked him, claiming only that it was dark.

After Wilson’s release, he agrees to meet with Logan, knowing the latter intends to kill him. Is Wilson truly tired, as he claims, and willing to put himself at Logan’s mercy or does he know that deep down Logan can’t kill him? A bit of both, I suspect. The showdown is powerful, with Logan diving toward Wilson as a hawk, talons outstretched. Wilson refuses to budge. At the last second, Gar reverts to human form and falls to the ground, defeated by his own inability to kill a man who does not give him the fight he wants.

At Wilson’s insistance, they adjourn to a diner where they have a heart-to-heart talk. That’s right. In this super-hero story, the climax does not come in the form of a battle but as a sitdown over coffee and Diet Coke. From Wilson's account, Gar learns what Tara really was like--a truths he had denied for so long. What has always stayed with me about this story, though, has been what Gar learns about himself. Tired of being perceived as an irresponsible kid by the other Titans, he gets solid advice from The Terminator: Don’t act like a fool if you don’t want to be seen as a fool. Gar also knows he must put his friendships in the Titans to the test by confessing all he’s been up to recently. But in the final panel, he believes he will be okay.

This is one of those stories that I think shows what comics are truly capable of. The characterizations are dense, and the characters change. Wolfman affords us a glimpse beyond the superficial designations of hero and villain and shows what Gar is truly capable of and that Wilson adheres to his own code of ethics. Wolfman teaches us that the truth is not so cut and dried.

This is also a very densely plotted story. Most pages boast eight to ten panels, creating the feel of a mini-novel. Almost every page is dialogue-heavy, and the dialogue goes through several peaks and valleys-especially in the diner scene, where Wilson confesses he still loves his ex-wife, Addie. A lot of exposition is delivered in this scene, but it all feels natural.

This story has stayed with me over the years. More, it’s the kind of writing I’ve always striven to achieve: something that challenges the reader and pushes the characters and genre to new heights.

. . . so, where did the Legion fit into all this? Somewhere between, I think. The Legion, like the Titans, grew up as a series during the ‘80s, but it couldn’t quite match the narrative and character complexity Wolfman pulled off with Titans. I don’t know if this is because of Levitz’s limitations as a writer or because the Legion’s large cast made it difficult to focus on just a few characters at any given time. Whereas Wolfman was able to develop the Changeling/Terminator arc over several issues, most Legionnaires were relegated to a spotlight issue here and there. Subplots and character arcs developed, but, as we’ve observed, many took a very long time to lead anywhere (the founders leaving, for example).

The Titans featured only seven core characters, which gave Wolfman a lot of leeway in developing their relationships with each other and with various antagonists such as Terra and Wilson. The Legion, by contrast, seemed like a self-contained group of heroes; supporting characters such as Yera and Marte Allon were generally kept at a distance. Shvaughn and Gigi had greater roles, but their ultimate impact on the Legionnaires was negligible. Villains such as the Dark Circle and the LSV are there only for our heroes to do their job; few of them have any lasting influence on the heroes. (One character who did have such as impact was Jhodan in the “exile planet” storyline.)

None of this meant to say Titans was better than the Legion (though, in terms of storytelling, it often was); however, I think some interesting comparisons can be made between these series—JLA and Titans—and the concurrent Legion stories. JLA floundered as its creative team tried to emulate Titans. But what made Titans so successful is that it didn't imitate anything. It was truly an original series built off well-defined characters and their relationships.
This reminds me why that was the period in which I read the Titans regularly. No TItans series since has captured my interest for long.

Working with fewer core characters must have facilitated the depth of their development. I've wondered if the future setting of the Legion could also work against the story. Space is devoted to building the 30th/31st century which may displace character interaction. They aren't mutually exclusive, but a lot of Legion panel time is presenting or explaining things like the Miracle Machine, HQ security, non-Earth planets , etc.

Interesting point about most Legion villains not having a lasting influence. That Titans story made me think of the recently-reread story of Ayla confronting Mekt and standing up to him. It was certainly a different resolution than the Logan-Wilson encounter, but strong on emotion and change. Mekt, as a villain, has the advantage (story-wise) of an established familial relationship as well as frequent appearances. Dr. Regulus might have had a similar effect, but I never got a sense of much emotional charge from his encounters with Dirk.
Legion of Substitute Heroes Special by Paul Levitz & Keith Giffen, art by Keith Giffen & Karl Kesel, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Bismoll has introduced a bill for computerization, which worries Senator Tenzil Kem, citing the Computer Tyrants of Colu. He's called in the Subs since he doesn't want to disturb the Legion on a mere hunch that something might go wrong. The computers appear to be copies of Computo.

Something else else within a star responds to a signal and takes flight.

The Subs prepare to leave for Bismoll. Color Kid shows up as a female.

Gigi Cusimano grumbles as she arrives at the Subs' Clubhouse to be the newly appointed Liason.

On Bismoll, Eyeful Ethel and Tusker prepare to sabotage the new computers in order to qualify for the Legion of Super-Villains. As they approach the machines, Pulsar Stargrave appears, summoned by the computers.

The Subs and Gigi arrive at Bismoll, are not permitted to land due to the Stargrave-induced blackout. They get to the planet surface via Levitzian Decree, although they're separated.

To cut a long silly story short, mishaps and disasters ensue, with Stargrave eventually defeated - and destroyed - by Tenzil, Brek and Dag.

Comments:
At the risk of being banned from the Archives Re-Read, I'll admit that I like this story. It's a series of goofy gags that depend on the incompetence and bad luck of the Subs and other secondary characters. Like a celebrity roast, it's good not to take your heroes (or yourself) too seriously.

The Subs are at their best in stories in which they succeed against the odds through effort, determination and mastery of their powers. A lot of fans deplore this story because it makes them look like idiots. (Everyone looks pretty much like an idiot here, except for Tenzil Kem.) I like to think of it as everyone having a really, really bad day. True to the Subs' tradition, despite everything going wrong, they don't give up. They aren't all able to extricate themselves from holes in the ground or garbage incinerators in time to join the main action, but that's the way it goes some days.

A few tidbits of enduring interest:

- a look at the planet Bismoll
- the return of Tenzil Kem, as a sober-minded Senator AND a hero
- the Grandin Gender Reversal Germ, a favourite of Legion World (and possibly Legion fans everywhere)
- a send-up of the Legion HQ blueprint at the end of the story

Two life lessons to contemplate:

- Gigi took her assignment as Subs Liaison with ill grace. She went grumbling, angry and resentful into the job. It was indicated that this assignment was punishment (or payback, engineered by Dirk Morgna) but she might have been better served to embrace the task with a more open and positive attitude.

- Stone Boy got the award, essentially for being in the right place at the right time and for no direct action on his part. Those who merit are not always rewarded.

And a question:

Urk is on the cover, although he's been affiliated with the Academy. He drops out of the story after page 7 (unless I missed a panel appearance). Was there some thought to send him to the Subs?
>Whew< Glad I didn't review the next Baxter issue last night. smile

I'll try not to let my 2 pages of recent Ambush Bug reading, colour my view of the Special.
I would like to chip in to say that I have very, very pleasant memories of this issue. Not having access to it right at the moment, I cannot make any more specific comments, but... yes, it was silly. Yes, the Subs and the Legionverse were played for laughs. But there is a reason they were called comic books, before the more serious "sequential art" and "graphic novel" nomenclature.

Also, it was a product of its time.
Subs Special

There’s a menace that is threatening a world! Worse, that menace now has another intelligence behind it! Fortunately, the world’s protector has realised the gravity of the threat. Eight brave heroes split up across the world to combat the villains, but only one of them will succeed!

Giffen and Levitz have layered this book. The spine above is the plot structure of a silver age Justice League comic. It’s subverted at the end, as the heroes don’t all re-join and defeat the foe together. There’s a reason for that final switch too.

Then there’s the Legion Easter eggs from Silver Age Legion comics thrown in, such as the Planetary chance machine. The convoluted explanation as to why Tenzil isn’t poisoned by eating things form his own planet, is reminiscent of previous continuity hoop jumps.

There’s not one, but three A-List Legion villains present. Pulsar Stargrave gave Superboy a run for his money. Here, he takes out the power to a whole planet, and is using new computer systems for his own ends. Those computer systems look just like Computo. There’s the shadow of a third group, the Legion of Super-villains present too. One of them has been recruiting, and two former Legion rejects are on an initiation test to prove themselves. The LSV has a history of including Legion rejects and traitors, so there’s nothing unusual here.

The magic hero group number of seven line up to fight these villains, when contacted by Tenzil Kem, a former Legionnaire.

The issue places the subs up against credible threats. It’s worth pointing out, as Giffen has a reputation of completely undermining the. But there’s a lot of solid, established structure in the setup.
Both Kem and the Subs act as heroically as they can throughout the book. Kem fears for the safety of his people. He has no evidence and summons the next best thing to the Legion; The Subs. The Subs have a good track record over the years in helping the Legion, most recently fighting Darkseid’s minions in the Great Darkness Saga, and easily defeating the Legion of Super Assassins.
Another example of the layering is Tenzil confrontation with Stargrave, where he makes a daring single handed attack, hoping that his powers will be enough to defeat the villain. It’s played completely straight, with the visuals providing the humour of what’s actually going on.

The sniggering of some other Bismollian citizens at the thought of the Subs, gets things off to a bad start. The secret missions of the early Subs may have fostered such an opinion, but they had long since proved themselves publicly. Probably the issues biggest mistake is in not showing us their triumphs, and increased stature. It wouldn’t have interfered with any of the plot, and would have actually added to their long known determination to see things through to the bitter end.

It’s the sort of determination that the Subs need here. They aren’t the A-List celebrities of the Legion. And they’re susceptible to all the things that can go wrong to more regular folks, who happen to have superpowers.

They get caught up in planetary customs. Where changing superpowers could be a big plot for a major hero, it’s an inconvenience here, and one caused by another team member.

In those Silver Age books, teleported heroes end up facing foes that they can overcome, perhaps helping to rescue their colleagues along the way. Here, the heroes are not being directed by anything in particular. There’s no foes to beat and they don’t have the power levels to combat what they sometimes face.

That random placement has pros and cons. On one hand it continues another layer of the book; one where we can see a comedic take behind the scenes of the book being made. Editorial messages; footnotes and barbed creative comments. It’s the sort of thing we’d see in Ambush Bug where the guys would be making up the plot in a bar, arguing over whether Rex was the Wonder Dog or not. It also leads into the type of threat the heroes will face. They’re just dumped on Bismoll with just enough connection to the plot through Brek, Pete and Dag to keep the plot going.

On the other hand, it looks very much as though Giffen had asked for a guest appearance form Ambush Bug and had it denied. The “pop” sound effect used to get the team onto Bismoll, is just the same as the Bug’s powers. Being unable to do anything with the plot beyond a deus ex machina push is a flaw, that they could have got around. A page of grumpy panels connecting things up; a crossover with Bug from a DC comics presents issue could have been done.

Ambush Bug had met the Subs previously, in DC Comics Presents 59 back in 1983. Actually, that issue had a lot of similarities to this one, with a sneezing Fire Lad and a Stone Boy who crashes head first into the ground. While this special gets a lot of criticism, Levitz and Giffen had actually covered similar territory with them before.

With all of the above, it shouldn’t be left out that it’s also about the creators having a bit of fun. Well, Giffen having fun at any rate and Levitz aiding and abetting. There’s a warning on the cover letting people know that this is the case. While the DC Comics presents issue had Giffen going for a Schuster look, here he’s channelling his latest influence. Perhaps the looser, more cartoonish style, also adds to the sense of fun at the Subs expense.

Only Porcupine Pete and Polar Boy land close to Pulsar Stargrave. And Porcupine Pete lands so close, that he’s quickly punched out by the villain before he can do anything. Again, it’s his determinisation even having been knocked silly that provides the humour.

Pete looks to have been a stand in for Night Girl, who is going through a period of appearances in the main book leading up to Cosmic Boy’s future, only some of which would come to pass. I’m not sure how Pete survived Stargrave’s punch.

Chlorophyll Kid is the victim of a joke from Hitchhiker’s Guide. Drura is only there to set up the Color Kid change.

Color Kid could have been seen to use hir powers to defeat the laser wavelengths from the garbage incinerator death trap (this low grade death trap being a stand in for all the ones big status heroes find themselves in when this happens to them).

We’ve just seen Dawny and Querl brings germs onto a planet in Tales. Here, Fire Lad is affected by pollen on Bismoll.

Not following through on the setups is another flaw of the book. A number of the heroes could have had their small victories, rather than it being down to Brek and Dag. But Giffen goes all the way with this approach, not showing us the actual defeat of Stargrave, preferring to show us a diagram in a news report. It’s a more stylistically European take, focusing on effect and editing over continuity driven plot structure. We’d see this further in v4.

It’s not much better for the Supervillains either. Stargrave, caught up in confused plots by previous writers, finds himself unable to execute his plan here. Things go badly for the LSV initiates. They realise Stargrave and get a bit fired, when they have something of a change of heart at the villainy they’ve unleashed. That change makes them a lot more sympathetic than their later villainous appearance in the JLE.

The book also ties into the main books too. We do see Night Girl, but it’s not mentioned that she’s on leave with Cos. We do get Officer Cusimano, possibly there as a result of Dirk Morgna’s interference. She provides an authority figure, but little else. We all ready have a “long suffering” character in Brek, and even Stargrave gets in on the “Why me?” act.

The finale to the book is also a direct lead in to Polar Boy’s appearance in v3 #14. Polar Boy being shown the Academies route to the team in v2 #316 is also part of this arc for Brek. Issue #316 also showed us Stone Boy’s reaction to a crisis. That leads directly into the payoff here, as the falling hero is the one to break apart a Stargrave, frozen by Brek.

Stone Boy got nominated for Legion membership back in the Silver age for doing not much more than he does here, but going in with an equally heroic heart. That goes back to my earlier points about a lot of this special being firmly taken form the Silver Age.

We also get a further look to the future as Brek’s solution here is exactly the one that defeats Tharok all the way forward in v7.

Despite being a comedy vehicle, it’s a story with its roots to the Silver Age, ties with the present books and with seeds that will bear fruit much later on.
Originally Posted by Klar Ken T5477
I would like to chip in to say that I have very, very pleasant memories of this issue. Not having access to it right at the moment, I cannot make any more specific comments, but... yes, it was silly. Yes, the Subs and the Legionverse were played for laughs. But there is a reason they were called comic books, before the more serious "sequential art" and "graphic novel" nomenclature.

Also, it was a product of its time.


Indeed. I don't think it would play very well today, given the reaction to recent Legion appearances such as that in Sugar & Spike. Perhaps slapstick and humour only works for those characters who are set up to be consistently portrayed that way.

Originally Posted by thoth lad

There’s a menace that is threatening a world! Worse, that menace now has another intelligence behind it! Fortunately, the world’s protector has realised the gravity of the threat. Eight brave heroes split up across the world to combat the villains, but only one of them will succeed!

Giffen and Levitz have layered this book. The spine above is the plot structure of a silver age Justice League comic. It’s subverted at the end, as the heroes don’t all re-join and defeat the foe together. There’s a reason for that final switch too.


You make it sound positively Shakespearean!

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The sniggering of some other Bismollian citizens at the thought of the Subs, gets things off to a bad start. The secret missions of the early Subs may have fostered such an opinion, but they had long since proved themselves publicly. Probably the issues biggest mistake is in not showing us their triumphs, and increased stature. It wouldn’t have interfered with any of the plot, and would have actually added to their long known determination to see things through to the bitter end.


Good point. They could have had some wins among the disasters.

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On the other hand, it looks very much as though Giffen had asked for a guest appearance form Ambush Bug and had it denied. The “pop” sound effect used to get the team onto Bismoll, is just the same as the Bug’s powers. Being unable to do anything with the plot beyond a deus ex machina push is a flaw, that they could have got around. A page of grumpy panels connecting things up; a crossover with Bug from a DC comics presents issue could have been done.


The pop! I missed the Ambush Bug association. It would have been a natural, but perhaps they feared over-associating the Bug with the Subs. Or vice-versa.

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Not following through on the setups is another flaw of the book. A number of the heroes could have had their small victories, rather than it being down to Brek and Dag. But Giffen goes all the way with this approach, not showing us the actual defeat of Stargrave, preferring to show us a diagram in a news report. It’s a more stylistically European take, focusing on effect and editing over continuity driven plot structure. We’d see this further in v4.


So they're even robbed of their victory scene.

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Stone Boy got nominated for Legion membership back in the Silver age for doing not much more than he does here, but going in with an equally heroic heart. That goes back to my earlier points about a lot of this special being firmly taken form the Silver Age.


Most likely to be awarded for standing around, thinking good thoughts. I guess it's something to be proud of.
Subs Special

Okay, I can take an April Fool’s joke as much as anyone, and I don’t mind a sendup of our heroes to keep us from taking them (and ourselves) too seriously. But my beef with the Subs Special is that it’s just not funny. It’s an attempt to be clever. There is a huge difference.

Humor usually comes from the characters and their reactions to the situations in which they find themselves. As a point of comparison, I’ve been re-watching Barney Miller, a sitcom set in a New York detective squadroom that ran in 1970s and ‘80s. Barney Miller is full of humor, but it never portrayed the cops as incompetent or as buffoons. In every episode, they caught robbers, talked potential suicides off ledges, and worked through layoffs and policies that made their jobs difficult. The humor came from their interactions with each other, their own human foibles (Harris’s obsession with writing a book, for example, or Wojo’s black and white view of situations), and their attempts to help the often crazy people who came through the squadroom. There was warmth and humanity in the show. Even though Barney Miller was a sitcom, real police officers—it has been said—regarded it as one of the most realistic cop shows on TV.

The Subs Special simply pokes fun at the characters for the sake of poking fun at them. There is no one to admire in this story, and the characters don’t even like each other. They win by accident as much as by anything else. Virtually everything in the story is a put down. Bismoll, for example, is regarded as an embarrassment of a planet—but why? Why is the ability to eat and digest anything inherently silly? Doesn’t it show the inhabitants’ ingenuity in creating a means to survive when all food on their planet became poisonous? Levitz and Giffen missed an opportunity to show us a way to admire these people whom others regard as a joke.

Instead, they simply play along with that joke—as they do with the Subs. Look, if the Subs were really that incompetent and ineffective, there’s no way an organization like the Legion would support them, encourage them, or ask for their assistance. Some of the situations they find themselves in are understandable—such as Fire Lad sneezing and causing a fire when he finds himself on an unfamiliar planet (but one wonders why he didn’t study up on the planet and inoculate himself first); but what does he do after he causes this unfortunate accident? Well . . . nothing.

On the other hand, Color Kid’s gender transformation happens because Infectious Lass cannot control her power. If her control is so poor, she should not even be allowed to join the Subs.

Cramey’s point about everyone having a bad day is well-taken—and I think this is especially true for Gigi. She has apparently been given a bum assignment as punishment for trying to teach Dirk a lesson. And she approaches the assignment with a negative mindset instead of choosing to see it as an opportunity. Tenz, too, is having a bad day: His peers in the Senate do not take his warnings seriously, so he calls on the Subs—the only help available—only to find out that the situation is much more dangerous than he thought. But even on a bad day, our heroes win and come out no worse for wear. They don’t learn anything or grow from the experience, and even situations which could truly test our heroes—such as Gigi’s encounter with the Kirby-esque monster—are conveniently not shown. As a reader, I feel cheated that situations are set up without payoff.

Thoth also makes a good point about the story subverting tropes of the Silver Age. However, a story should be more than a send-up of past literary traditions.

I’m glad Paul and Keith got this out of their systems. As a reader, though, I feel an opportunity was wasted to be both humorous and insightful.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


Two life lessons to contemplate:

- Gigi took her assignment as Subs Liaison with ill grace. She went grumbling, angry and resentful into the job. It was indicated that this assignment was punishment (or payback, engineered by Dirk Morgna) but she might have been better served to embrace the task with a more open and positive attitude.

- Stone Boy got the award, essentially for being in the right place at the right time and for no direct action on his part. Those who merit are not always rewarded.



I think this is the most graceful way of looking at the story. It could be used as fodder to discuss how one's expectations influence one's reality, or how awards do not always represent real achievement.

Originally Posted by Klar
Yes, the Subs and the Legionverse were played for laughs. But there is a reason they were called comic books, before the more serious "sequential art" and "graphic novel" nomenclature.


This is a good point. Silly super-heroes go back to the Golden Age (the original Red Tornado, for example). It might be worthwhile to compare those stories to this one and see if it holds up.

Originally Posted by thoth
Giffen and Levitz have layered this book. The spine above is the plot structure of a silver age Justice League comic. It’s subverted at the end, as the heroes don’t all re-join and defeat the foe together. There’s a reason for that final switch too.


This, too, is a good point. I hadn't noticed that it plays off the old JLA formula until you pointed it out.

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Both Kem and the Subs act as heroically as they can throughout the book.


I'm not sure about this. Staq does nothing more than cause a fire by sneezing. Ral's only reason for being in the book is to get arrested for being overweight (which, in itself is problematic. People are overweight for a number of reasons besides overeating. Yet the story states that overweight people get arrested because they use up too many of the planet's scarce food resources. Not only does this imply a broad generalization, but it hardly seems logical since Bismollians can eat anything except, apparently, what's natural to the planet).

Drura does nothing but stay on the ship and wonder how things turn out.

The only people who act heroically are Tenz and Brek. Even Dag is just an object used by others.

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The sniggering of some other Bismollian citizens at the thought of the Subs, gets things off to a bad start.


A subtle bit of irony there: The Bismollians laugh at the Subs just as others laugh at the them. The pot and the kettle.

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That random placement has pros and cons. On one hand it continues another layer of the book; one where we can see a comedic take behind the scenes of the book being made. Editorial messages; footnotes and barbed creative comments. It’s the sort of thing we’d see in Ambush Bug where the guys would be making up the plot in a bar, arguing over whether Rex was the Wonder Dog or not. It also leads into the type of threat the heroes will face. They’re just dumped on Bismoll with just enough connection to the plot through Brek, Pete and Dag to keep the plot going.


This "random dumping" reads like a role-playing game, where characters go down dark corners of a dungeon and encounter a variety of creatures and mishaps and maybe eventually find the treasure and rescue the princess. There's a reason why comics are not plotted like role-playing games. smile

I like the idea of not all of the heroes making it to the final battle--that reflects real life, to an extent. But real life is not what Giffen was going for. Clearly, the editorial asides take the reader out of the story on purpose. The whole point of the story is just to have a laugh. Unfortunately, that laugh seems to come from a mean-spirited attempt to make the characters (and the readers) look foolish.

LSH #13 If You Think the Khunds are Cuddly, You'll Love the Lythyls! by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Mike Machlan, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Blok, in a new uniform, greets individuals who wish to try out for the Legion, telling them that Legion procedures will be followed. He's interrupted by Val's lawyer with a message from Brin.

Brin and Sensei arrive on Lythyl, a planet deemed dangerous by the U.P., with other would-be immigrants. All must earn freedom by proving their worth through physical prowess. Sensei whispers to Brin that Val's father became corrupted on Lythyl and that, for justice, Sensei killed him and raised Val. A guard hits Sensei for speaking and is in turn attacked by the old man. Brin joins the brawl; he and Sensei impress the head guard.

At HQ, some Legionnaires are relaxing. As Dirk and Thom play Dungeons & Dragons, Violet surprises Dirk by putting her hands down his shirt. Blok plays Brin's message for Jan; Brin reports what he's doing and says he can use the billions of credits to help kids. Jan decides to send Lar, Mysa and Jacques to stand by in case Brin needs help getting off planet. Jan mentions that Jacques has been cleared of the death of the Khund who he accidently teleported into space. Blok questions why Val would seek vengeance in this way; Jan believes there is some other motive, since vengeance wasn't Val's style.

On Lythyl, Brin and Sensei are separated from other immigrants to be put through further tests which will examine the soul, not just strength. They impress the three judges with their first test, battling a tentacled dragon.

On Earth, Leland McCauley gets an update on politics and business. The snetient who had been observing R.J. meeting with Proteans reports on that and other meetings; McCauley worries that a former pet Protean of his could betray him now that the U.P. has granted Proteans freedom.

Brin and Sensei continue with one judge, a young man named Myg, born on Lythyl. He tells them that Lythyl spins on the multiverse nexus, the source of its wealth and legends. Myg challenges Sensei to a fight.

Lar, Mysa and Jacques approach Lythyl under Mysa's spell of protection. She plans to use Jacques' invisibility in another spell. Lar admonishes Jacques that he should learn to use all his powers, even though he was cleared of the Khund's death.

Sensei appears to have lost the challenge, but after, he and Brin knock the young man unconscious. Sensei carries Myg and decides to train him to be good; Brin uses Myg's control bracelet to access the Sacred Oasis. Here they are attacked; as Sensei battles the crowd, Brin races to Lythyl's Sacred Stones to fulfill Val's last request. He then signals with his flight ring, returns to save Sensei and Myg and all three disappear. Mysa had made them invisible so Lar could carry them to safety. Brin explained that Val asked him to plant a seed by the Sacred Stones since legend told that if anything grew there, Lythyl would grow soft and crumble. In the final panel, a green sprout emerges by the Stones.

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For a Brin Londo adventure, I'd expect a knock 'em sock 'em story, but this tale has some more depth to it, with its hope for rehabilitation and change.

Lythyl is a strange planet with survival of the fittest immigration standards. I have to wonder why anyone would want to move there, but there appear to be promises of riches if you can fight your way through. It's all about physical strength, we're told - although cunning and intelligence must play a part.

Lythyl is "at the nexus of the multiverse" - I don't know how or if this plays into Crisis. Is Lythyl just there, or does it play some multiverse balancing role? Could planting a seed cause Lythyl to crumble metaphorically, or physically? It appears in Lo3W, so perhaps the legend was no more than a legend.

Sensei kidnaps Myg, with good intention, but aided and abetted by the Legion. Myg hasn't done anything wrong, so this could be legally questionable - although he'll later be free to return to his home planet.

Brin acquits himself well, although I question whether he could have made it without Sensei's help. Nevertheless, this issue restores the character, which has been quite downtrodden since the incident on the asteroid with Imra.

Blok gets Brin's message and kicks it upstairs to Jan, who nicely explains why he's sending that particular team to help Brin get off Lythyl.

Lar's admonition to Jacques about controlling his powers is well-delivered. I get a sense of annoyance from Lar in those few lines. He's a senior member and well-placed to make those comments. As mentioned before, Jacques has been given a lot of leeway with his unknown power set, while others have been refused membership for insufficient control or experience.

As Brin fights a real Dungeons & Dragons game, Dirk and Thom play the holo version in the safety of the HQ. Violet's physical advances on Dirk surprise him - and probably everyone else - although we have no idea how it turns out - or whether she's looking for sex or just having him on, as Yera, Gigi and Gim did. It certainly does show that Vi's personality has changed.

Mysa performs more amazing spells. Although we've seen the Spell of Similarity used before, she piggybacks it onto Jacques invisibility power in a new and powerful twist. Is there anything she can't do?
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The evening sun has rested on the little plastic pockets of the binder this week, making this issue lovely and warm to the touch.

Things are going to heat up inside too, if the cover is anything to go by. It’s Brin against a horde of alien foes. Including a Gordonian at the back.

An excellent opening scene combines the membership drive, with Brin’s solo adventure while adding a touch of comedy. A crowd of applicants have turned up for the tryouts, and Blok is telling them that they will all get their turn. One of the crowd suggests it’s humans only, so Blok is well placed to dispel that. That’s also a nod to Levitz and Lightle’s plan to bring in some non human characters. One of Giffen’s old ones is the applicant sitting in a puddle in the crowd. Of those there, The Skreaks and Energy Boy are two we’ll see again next issue.

Blok is interrupted to be told of Brin’s mission to Lythyl, where he will by now be “extremely wealthy…or dead.”

Blok has practically never looked better than here (Perez drawing him in Crisis and History are also up there) and this is the costume I thin he suits best. The traditional Legion statues have been replaced with wall murals like the Teen Titans Tower. Having Ferro Lad next to the newly costumed Lightning Lass sets a good tone for the applicants to appreciate.

We’re introduced to Lythyl along with Brin as he and Sensai dock. They have both signed released to become slaves there, as that’s the only way onto the planet (without using the Legion espionage squad, but then we wouldn’t have a story. Levitz actually covers this by adding that only Brin can complete the mission with Sensei if necessary to meet the terms of the will. ). There’s immediate physical threat as the guards there insult the group of newcomers as being weaker each year. We see signs of causal sadism as Sensei gives us a little of the back story of Val Armorr, with the addition that his father was corrupted on Lythyl. It’s only a touch of additional information, but it will be key to the story.

Overheard talking, Sensai is attacked and both he and Brin defend themselves. Despite being on a world where physical prowess is considered to be key, Levitz goes out of his way to point out how well suited Brin is for this sort of world. Super agility, strength and resilience are all at his disposal. He seems wary but confident. Levitz doesn’t downplay either our protagonist or the world he’s facing, making both look good.

In addition to his powers, Brin’s shown some smarts this time too. He’s made sure to tell Blok, and through him the Legion just what he’s up to. He tells them that once the terms of the will have been fulfilled he’s leaving the planet as quickly as he can, hinting that having a rescue team would be nice. Element Lad picks power players Lar and (shown most recently through Tales) Mysa with Jacques adding a bit of subterfuge if needed for that rescue team.

This scene picks up a few subplots. Jacques has been cleared of killing a Khund Assassin. He may not have full control of those powers, but Jan is sending him out there again. Vi hits on Dirk.

Elsewhere, Leland Macauley (formerly seen as an arrogant brat even when being rescued by the Legion) receives reports on President Desai and rival RJ Brande. He’s oblivious to anything deceptive around Desai. There’s mention of a Himalayan development. I recall Gim and Ord’s battle there and also an upcoming Manhunters story and wonder if there’s any connection. It seems that, in addition to being a bit obsessed with Brande as a rival, McCauley used to have a protean ”pet”. Levitz has been providing us snippets of the Proteans’ changing status in the UP. Now they are independent citizens, McCauley worries about all the secrets his protean might have learned from him.

Back on Lythyl and Sensei and Brin have fast tracked themselves into an audience with the world’s three leaders. The story is more than the endless series of fight scenes it could have been. There’s a philosophy behind the practices of separating the people of Lythyl. From servants to masters. Mastering a giant lake creature is the test set them by the three judges. Brin could knock it unconscious, but he and Sensei are playing a longer game, positioning themselves to the goal of their mission. Brin is getting some mentoring of his own along the way, and it’s unfortunate we don’t see too much of Sensei following this issue.
The big creature looks scary enough, but it’s really just window dressing for the pair to pass the test and command it, rather than punch it, away.
Of the three judges, Steggus and Gorax look as though they’ve fought their way into their position. Myg, on the other hand, tells them that he has been “blooded and born on Lythyl.” He’s something different.

Connector Kid: Hi! It seems to me that Levitz’s reveal of “blooded and born” on page 14 is linked to the Sensei telling Brin that Val Armorr’s father “came here and became corrupt.” Back on page 4. For those who think Myg looks a bit young to be Val’s brother, note Sensei pointing out that Myg has “mastery of skills that need a life time” and Myg’s “age isn’t everything” retort on page 15. Myg is older than he seems.

Despite many travelling to Lythyl for riches and power, it’s wealth and status that they will only get to use on that world, as no one gets to leave (well, Val’s father aside presumably). As Myg gives Brin and Sensei the tour, there’s the reveal that Lythyl spins on a multiverse nexus. There’s a mine of possibilities there, that would vanish as soon as Crisis came about no doubt.

Before the main story’s finale we see the rescue team approach. It’s been nice to see that side of the story built up in parallel. It makes a change from a deus ex machina rescue seen in other stories. Mysa is using Jacques powers as part of her spell to keep them all invisible. I wonder what she could do with the powers of other Legionnaires, or combinations thereof?

Lar is firm and fair over Jacques acquittal. He feels that Invisible Kid should know all his powers. I’m surprised the Kid hasn’t been benched. Lar’s use of “got you off” is telling of his views on the matter.
Having finished their tour Sensei and Myg spar. Alone, Myg doesn’t realise he’s been set up and he’s knocked unconscious by a double attack. Sensei chooses to bring Myg with them. He sees a young Val or Val’s father in the boy’s youth. Except that Myg has already stated that there may be more to him than meets the eye. It’s another unfortunate dead end. Myg would later become a Legionnaire, but only in the five year gap. He would make a more prominent appearance before then in an upcoming annual.

Presumably Myg’s tour enables Sensei and Birn to know the spot where they can fulfil their mission. They exit one of the portals only to find a crowded outer courtyard. There’s lots of action as Sensei hold off the mob, while Brin enters the inner courtyard. Fighting along the way, we see a lot more of his bestial face, complete with glowing red eyes. This is probably my favourite depiction of Timberwolf.

As Brin stands alone in what has to be the quietest spot on the planet, Sensei is overcome by numbers. Brin uses his Legion ring to summon help and goes back to help Val’s mentor. Wihtout the need to put up a pretence, we get more of a showing of Brin’s super-strength as he holds the crowd at bay. The rescue goes without a hitch, and Brin reveals that the will asked that seeds be sown at the sacred, rocky heart of Lythyl fulfilling a legend that such a deed would break apart the stony, barren hearts of the people there. Again, it’s not an issue where violence was the point, or the solution. There’s plenty of action but directed towards a purpose, which raises this issue far above so many other books, and makes this a very good Legion issue.

Much like Kol, it’s a shame that not many of the other seeds in the book were picked up on again. Myg would be underutilised. Looking at him here, he should be among the last Legionnaires to be mind controlled by the Dominators. There’s also hints about his age and possibly heritage. Myg would represent Lythyl in the UP in Lo3W, which seemed a bit pointless considering the ethos of the planet, and the secrets it held.

Sensei gets a mention as late on as before v6/7 when there was a sudden, brief flurry of Karate Kid’s about. He’s named appropriately enough to join Doctor and Engineer of the Authority in a group somewhere. smile

There’s no doubt that Lightle’s art in this issue really raises it up too. He deals with large crowd numbers, and makes them all look interesting and threatening.
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I don't have a lot of time to do a full review, but I want to say that the Lythyl story is one from this era I've remembered most over the years. The last image of a plant growing out of solid rock has stayed with me, and I've found myself using a similar metaphor in my writing. This powerful visual illustrates how hardness and physical strength are not enough to live a good life; one also needs softness and nurturing, the green stuff (plants) as well as the brown (rocks). A self-sustaining culture cannot be built on just one value; it needs balance. Otherwise, it becomes as corrupted as Val's father apparently was.

I'm fine with not knowing how the growth of the plant affected Lythyl culture; it would probably take several years or generations for its effect to be noticed. But the seeds (hah) of it success were indicated by the mythology surrounding Lythyl's sacred space. If the people believe a plant will cause their society to soften or crumble, it will likely become a self-fulfilling prophecy . . . and one that may challenge them to grow in new ways.

This story is probably the only time I've really liked Timber Wolf as a character. From the first time I saw him back in Superboy 197, I always liked his dramatic wolfish appearance; however, his powers were too mundane on a team with other characters who were strong, fast, and agile. (To be fair, his powers were rarely depicted to their full potential.) Personality wise, he drifted from a non-descript Legionnaire to a loner who felt uncomfortable around people to a boob upon whom his teammates heaped their distrust and disdain. Brin filled this role especially well in Levitz's stories, but here we get a different side of him: one that displays intelligence, honor, and compassion. (I'm not clear on why fulfilling KK's will was necessary for "billions of credits" to be available to help orphans, though. Surely, KK wouldn't have withheld help from children for the sake of a quest. Or maybe it was Brin who decided to use the money now in his possession to help orphans. If so, it really gives us a glimpse into his compassionate side.)

Brin's relationship with the Sensei reminds me of any number of young hero/old mentor stories (especially--and fittingly-- the Karate Kid films), but these two play well off each other.

I'm not so sure about the Sensei's actions regarding Myg, though. By his own statement, Myg was "born and bled" on Lythyl; this is the only world he's known. To remove him against his will is kidnapping, whatever the Sensei's motives. (This story reminds me of an episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation," in which the Enterprise encounters a young man raised in a similarly harsh culture who turns out to be the grandson of a Starfleet admiral. Picard must make the difficult choice of returning the young man against his will to his natural family or allowing him to remain with the only father he has ever known. Picard chooses the latter.) The Sensei's decision--and the Legion's complicity--is a symptom of arrogance: *of course* their culture is better than the one Myg leaves behind, *of course* they should try to save this young man from life on a corrupt world, *of course* they should do the right thing. These "of course" assumptions are self-serving and judgmental. No one asks Myg what he wants to do.

Lightle's artwork is outstanding. This is one of several issues I have signed by him.

The subplots move the story lines forward without distracting from the main story. The focus remains on Brin and his quest, as it should.
Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
For a Brin Londo adventure, I'd expect a knock 'em sock 'em story, but this tale has some more depth to it, with its hope for rehabilitation and change.


nod

Originally Posted by Cramer
Lythyl is a strange planet with survival of the fittest immigration standards. I have to wonder why anyone would want to move there, but there appear to be promises of riches if you can fight your way through. It's all about physical strength, we're told - although cunning and intelligence must play a part.


It's not stated how people stay in power once they have attained it. On Khundia there’s the challenge courts. Since you can bump into someone and challenge them, I imagine that the more powerful stay off the streets. So smarts certainly play a part even there. On Lythyl, the 3 judges presumably aren’t constantly fighting off challengers. Their number may not even be limited to three.

It may be a rank, and it looks as though Brin and the Sensei would reach it fairly quickly. “The role they assign you is the one you shall play all your days on our world until you die,” said a guard. That does seem to undermine all the fighting we see. If there’s no moving form your role, are you just fighting to maintain it? Perhaps the guard simply has never ,oved form his role, and doesn’t see the larger picture.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Lythyl is "at the nexus of the multiverse" - I don't know how or if this plays into Crisis. Is Lythyl just there, or does it play some multiverse balancing role? Could planting a seed cause Lythyl to crumble metaphorically, or physically? It appears in Lo3W, so perhaps the legend was no more than a legend.


I hadn’t thought of the seed having an impact on the multiverse itself… snatches back “You’re a hero badge” from Birn and replaces it with a “You’re a destroyer of the universe badge” instead.

I had thought that Lythyl has a number of gateways offering access to various parts of the multiverse. Challenges or access to creatures from other realms times and universes. My thinking was that the folks form Lythyl had built a culture around this nexus. Sort of if a civilisation came across a Reed Richards experiment in exploration and taken something different from it.

Endless adventures, not to be seen again in a Legion book. The Multiverse comes and goes in the main DCU, and the Legion shouldn’t really be beholden to the whims of it.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Sensei kidnaps Myg, with good intention, but aided and abetted by the Legion. Myg hasn't done anything wrong, so this could be legally questionable - although he'll later be free to return to his home planet.


Really good point. We never get to see Myg’s reaction to any of this. We see him later at the academy and in a Subs annual. But there, he’s shorn of all the mystery he has here. The mastery he has to teach others and self confidence that this, and possibly ageing secrets, is lost. It’s replaced by a kid with an arrogance about him, if only to keep him young enough to get possible future admittance as a second Karate Kid. Such age limits go with Polar Boy and are definitely out, when Harmonia comes along.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brin acquits himself well, although I question whether he could have made it without Sensei's help. Nevertheless, this issue restores the character, which has been quite downtrodden since the incident on the asteroid with Imra.


Brin would have failed the challenge of the creature. He may have been provoked into doing something rash too. Sensei was good for Brin here and it would have been nice to see a little more of him.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Lar's admonition to Jacques about controlling his powers is well-delivered. I get a sense of annoyance from Lar in those few lines. He's a senior member and well-placed to make those comments.


Originally Posted by Cramer
As mentioned before, Jacques has been given a lot of leeway with his unknown power set, while others have been refused membership for insufficient control or experience.


Dirk must have been completely distracted by Gigi to not have REJECTED! Jacques. Mysa and Jacques do return to the academy for additional training, and I’d have liked to have seen Drake continue in a mentor capacity to them both, and those to come. Instead, Mysa has been put into the power house league already and Jacques is allowed to continue despite having no more control over his powers than he did before.

Originally Posted by Cramer
It certainly does show that Vi's personality has changed.


I was trying to recall if this was Vi testing the boundaries of her assertiveness, or if there was something more going on.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Mysa performs more amazing spells. Although we've seen the Spell of Similarity used before, she piggybacks it onto Jacques invisibility power in a new and powerful twist. Is there anything she can't do?


It is a concern, although I was less worried about a spell we saw used in a framework before than the ones she pulled out during the Dev-Em story.

Originally Posted by HWW
This powerful visual illustrates how hardness and physical strength are not enough to live a good life; one also needs softness and nurturing, the green stuff (plants) as well as the brown (rocks). A self-sustaining culture cannot be built on just one value; it needs balance. Otherwise, it becomes as corrupted as Val's father apparently was.


Well put.

Originally Posted by HWW
But the seeds (hah) of it success were indicated by the mythology surrounding Lythyl's sacred space.


And you also get this Fun with Puns Prize, Sir! Congratulations! smile

Originally Posted by HWW
If the people believe a plant will cause their society to soften or crumble, it will likely become a self-fulfilling prophecy . . . and one that may challenge them to grow in new ways.


I see it as a culture change. The end of the system of judges perhaps, but one that will take any number of bloody cycles to progress.

Originally Posted by HWW
...but here we get a different side of him: one that displays intelligence, honor, and compassion. (I'm not clear on why fulfilling KK's will was necessary for "billions of credits" to be available to help orphans, though. Surely, KK wouldn't have withheld help from children for the sake of a quest.


I was wondering if anyone would think along those lines, because it made me give it a second glance. I was imagining that KK would have found other altruistic means of routing the money. The kids thing is what Brin wants to do with it once it’s his. To make it his, he has to go on a quest. Had Birn failed it would be up to Accountant Lad to take on Calculon, The Infinite Machine! In order to get his hands on the money as per the next bit of the will.

Originally Posted by HWW
…Or maybe it was Brin who decided to use the money now in his possession to help orphans. If so, it really gives us a glimpse into his compassionate side.)


Ah, I see you reached the same conclusion. That’ll teach me not to read the full paragraph. smile We never hear from those kids again, and we’ve not heard form them before. Could it be Brin has really invested in an android factory, where all the kids see him as their father figure, in a creepy reprise of his own origin? Could he also have blown a lot of the cash on Lotus Fruit? Mind you, it’s well known that excessive Lotus Fruit consumption turns you into a giant werewolf creature, and that’s not what… hey…

Originally Posted by HWW
Brin's relationship with the Sensei reminds me of any number of young hero/old mentor stories (especially--and fittingly-- the Karate Kid films), but these two play well off each other.


I think Myg’s headband is the essence of Karate Kid’s from across the multiverse. Myg uses Lythyl to harness in preparation for his ultimate task; to defeat The Giffen, killer of many Karate Kids in their childhood.

Originally Posted by HWW
I'm not so sure about the Sensei's actions regarding Myg, though…To remove him against his will is kidnapping, whatever the Sensei's motives. … The Sensei's decision--and the Legion's complicity--is a symptom of arrogance: *of course* their culture is better than the one Myg leaves behind, *of course* they should try to save this young man from life on a corrupt world, *of course* they should do the right thing. These "of course" assumptions are self-serving and judgmental. No one asks Myg what he wants to do.


nod

Originally Posted by HWW
The subplots move the story lines forward without distracting from the main story. The focus remains on Brin and his quest, as it should.


It was one where there was more than enough in the main story to drive the issue. A bit more depth, of this kind, in some recent issues would have raised them up to this level.
I suspect Lythyl's growth as a culture would indeed be bloody. Historically, most culture shifts usually have been. Your reference to judges is interesting--a reference to the Biblical judges? Lythyl, too, may experience periods of division and diaspora as it strives to figure itself out.

Come to think of it, I wonder if Brin could be charged with violating the Legion Code for instigating rebellions that will certainly lead to massive killings. Of course, since Lythyl is quarantined and any such change may be decades in coming, he may have nothing to worry about.

Here's how this issue ranked on my "Comics Survey" of May 28, 1985:

1. Zot! # 9 -- Eclipse
2. Star Trek # 17 -- DC
3. New Teen Titans (Annual) # 1 -- DC
4. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 6 -- DC
5. Legion of Super-Heroes # 13 -- DC
6. New Teen Titans # 11 -- DC
7. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 57 -- DC
8. Dreadstar & Company # 3 -- Marvel/Epic
9. Nexus # 12 -- First
10. Squadron Supreme # 1 -- Marvel

11. Fury of Firestorm # 39 -- DC
12. Justice League of America # 242 -- DC
13. Amazing Spider-Man # 268 -- Marvel
14. Action Comics # 569 -- DC
15. Dalgoda # 5 -- Fantagraphics
16. Captain America # 309 -- Marvel
17. Megaton Man # 3 -- Kitchen Sink
18. All-Star Squadron # 48 -- DC
19. Infinity Inc. # 17 -- DC
20. Jonni Thunder, A.K.A. Thunderbolt # 4 -- DC

21. Ambush Bug # 3 -- DC
22. DC Comics Presents # 83 -- DC
23. Flaming Carrot # 6 -- Aardvark-Vanaheim/Renegade
24. Batman (Annual) # 9 -- DC
25. Gargoyle # 4 -- Marvel
26. Flash # 348 -- DC
27. Mask Prevue -- DC
28. World's Finest # 317 -- DC
29. Saga of the Swamp Thing # 38 -- DC
30. Masked Man # 1 -- Eclipse

31. Marvel Tales # 178 -- Marvel
32. Aztec Ace # 10 -- Eclipse
33. Avengers # 258 -- Marvel
34. Shadow War of Hawkman # 4 -- DC

So, that's the second Top Ten in a row for the Legion--and in month with so many varied offerings!
Li’l thoth in Elsenwhen

Justice League 241 has the new League up against a very old foe in Amazo. The Tuska art underwhelmed me compared to Patton and Perez before him. It’s not that there weren’t good points (Mera is stunning for example), and I certainly appreciate it more now.

Of ex leaguers…

The Sword of the Atom #2 special keeps Ray firmly in his miniature John Carter world in South America. It’s an okay story too. This one has the plot seed that Jean Loring’s new husband is given the size altering belt, that he uses a few times throughout. Yet, it’s Ray who pops up in the Crisis. Perhaps this guy could have received a push through Crisis?

The Shadow War of Hawkman comes to an end with those behind it hoping for an ongoing series. They’d get it and Hawkman would disappear even further form the spotlight. In being away form the post crisis push, it would take Hawkworld (and some silly editorial) to bring him back.

Red Tornado’s mini hits #2. I don’t remember it fondly, and I first read it years after it was published. Flicking through it now, and I see that the big plot point of #1 was Tornado being told to stop being a super hero. This issue, the Construct pushes him to leave humanity as it mind controls everyone. So, that’s not bad and there’s a demented Superman who dismantles Reddy too in this one.

Atari Force comes to an end with #20. It seemed to be heading for this for several issues. Even then, it has some good points and plot seeds for more adventures. Keith Giffen must have loved doing the back-ups. If you like Ambush Bug, then you’ll find some fun here.

The Force’s former artist Garcia-Lopez was pencilling Kole’s origins in Teen Titans #11

Another title coming to an end was J’Emm. Just in time for him to make a big splash in Crisis and find a niche in the DCU. Except neither of those things happen. I think he was pencilled into Crisis as something of a crowd filler, and once, I think, right beside J’Onn who he had failed to replace. Considering the difficult beginnings for this book, DC missed an opportunity with it.

It’s a month of Mini-series. Roy and Dann Thomas’ Jonni Thunder comes to a close. I hadn’t realised form her other appearances that she no longer required the statue to activate her powers. They had transferred within her. I’m surprised we didn’t see more of Jonni in Infinity Inc, but there was quite a cast there already.

There’s a really good story in Superman #410. Kent has a story of Superman’s exploits. Except that there’s now doubt over its veracity. Superman weighs up the panic it would cause if people thought he wasn’t in control against Kent’s story credentials. And his decision gets Kent fired in a multiparter. Lovely Swan art throughout. It didn’t take a Crisis to provide some hard hitting Superman stories.

The Black Mask is introduced in Batman #386. In the Crisis #2 we see the Joker, but I hadn’t seen him in the Batman book, where they seemed to prefer a different, newer rogues gallery. Detective 553 would also have the Mask. I remember Morrison going for a similar effect in his stories to this, as well as seeing some Joker subplot to do with his face. Nothing that’s not covered here.

The trial of the Flash is about to come to an end. This month has Crisis #5 so a fair bit about the Flash is already out there.

Omega Men #29 looks moody, dark and has difficult choices for many of its cast. I read the recent revamp of them. As dark as that was it was par for the course in the old books, from what I’ve seen.
Firestorm fights the Weasel. This issue shows that there’s some merging of the Stein/ Raymond minds resulting in Raymond getting better grades and Stein perhaps becoming a bit better socially. It’s a fascinating subplot, but one that didn’t get used too much in the end.

The Best of DC Digest #63 was Plop!. The framing sequences contain Cain, Abel and Eve well before their Sandman days. Skeates, really good Ditko, Aragones, Alcazar (Batman as a Vampire gag well before Red Rain) and Wally Wood work too. Although I’d read a fair bit of Mad, this was probably out of my field of interest at the time.

Something else else else I wouldn’t have appreciated was that Kirby and Toth did the pencils on DC Presents #84 featuring the Challengers.

I always liked the Tales of the Teen Titans #56-57 story where Victor goes for a new body only to run across a revised Fearsome Five. I think this one has a Crisis lead in next issue. I see that’s it’s drawn by Chuck Patton, so that’s a big reason I like it. But it’s just a nice, compact superhero tale.

Nightwing guests in Vigilante #20. Someone, possibly Adrian Chase, has become something of an urban executioner, and Nightwing arrives to shut him down. Chase is having plenty of issues coping with his past here.

Before I knew about DC’s long history with giant Gorillas, one appears on the cover of Blue Devil #15. It’s the only Blue Devil issue I owned for many years. Coincidence or does the cover gorilla thing actually work? Blue Devil was too fun to be a normal super-book and not wacky enough to be something like Ambush Bug. So, not for me at the time. Mind you, I don’t remember getting the option of picking up other Blue Devil issues. So, if it was there, it might not have been there for long.

Helix make their appearance in Infinity Inc. That dead Kanga is upsetting, and it only gets more so as you realise that their background would go with Pre-Crisis. McFarlane’s art really compliments Thomas’ writing.

Swamp Thing #39 is a little like Salem’s Lot on steroids, and there’s a hint of just how powerful Swampy is here. There's a Crisis link to red skies and storms here.

I’d love to think I got Ambush Bug #3 the month after #2. But I think #2 stand out in my mind because there was a bit of a gap. I must have got it around the time of Crisis as I remember having some fun at the things like Egg-Fu that were going at the huge relief of Jonni DC.

So I got: Batman, Justice League, Superman, Tales of the Teen Titans and Blue Devil at the newsstand with Crisis and Who’s Who at the comic shop around the same time. I’d get Firestorm and Ambush Bug around that time too.
Originally Posted by thoth
Of the three judges, Steggus and Gorax look as though they’ve fought their way into their position. Myg, on the other hand, tells them that he has been “blooded and born on Lythyl.” He’s something different.


Myg does really stand out. His size alone would suggest that he's got a power or particular skill set that enables him to survive at the top of the heap. He seems pretty sociable, which is strange.

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Despite many travelling to Lythyl for riches and power, it’s wealth and status that they will only get to use on that world, as no one gets to leave (well, Val’s father aside presumably). As Myg gives Brin and Sensei the tour, there’s the reveal that Lythyl spins on a multiverse nexus. There’s a mine of possibilities there, that would vanish as soon as Crisis came about no doubt.


Grievously unexplored! The portals also could have been connected to the Controllers' Sun-eater factory. After the multiverse collapsed, did Lythyl become a simple planet which survived by hiring out thugs for security services?

Originally Posted by HWW
Brin filled this role especially well in Levitz's stories, but here we get a different side of him: one that displays intelligence, honor, and compassion. (I'm not clear on why fulfilling KK's will was necessary for "billions of credits" to be available to help orphans, though. Surely, KK wouldn't have withheld help from children for the sake of a quest. Or maybe it was Brin who decided to use the money now in his possession to help orphans. If so, it really gives us a glimpse into his compassionate side.)


I got the impression that it was Brin's idea to use the money for needful children, because at the initial meeting the lawyer just stated that Brin could be very rich. Could Val have left the bequest to the entire Legion (or a particular team) to perform the task of planting seeds on Lythyl? It might have ensured greater chance of success, although Val himself liked to take on solo challenges. Something else else about teamwork and Lythyl don't seem to go together and possibly that was how the quest succeeded - it was unexpected for two "slaves" to work together, so Myg underestimated them. This really was the stand-out issue for Brin - the next one that stands out for me isn't until 5YL, when he's dying as Furball.
LSH #14 by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Mike Machlan, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Legion try-outs for new members. Power Boy is first up, but is voted down. Comet Queen follows and is told she'll advance to the next round. Then, Comet Queen, Tellus, Magnetic Kid are called to join Brainy and Lar on a mission to the California Coastal District, where the drains have failed and the cities are sinking and flooding.

The try-outs continue as Mentalla presents herself, with Legionnaires following on monitors or in person. Energy Boy's demonstration is interrupted and ruined by Polar Boy, who asks that the Legion waive the under-18 rule for new members so he can join, now that he's disbanded the Subs.

On Restaurant Row, R.J. discusses the changing Legion with the departing founders.

On the California Coast, Tellus has picked up thoughts of a saboteur. The team investigates and finds Dev-Em, who's trying to repair some damage. When he sees Comet Queen, he says the Legion must be desperate so perhaps he should apply; Lar tells him that offer was made and has passed. The ICC suspected remnants of the Dark Circle are the saboteurs and the team finds an Ontiir clone. Ontiir uses a device to create a tidal wave, knocking out Comet Queen and Tellus. Suddenly, a very small vessel arrives; the monitoring Legionnaires are baffled until Tinya pulls up the dossier on Quislet. Quislet's energy takes over Ontiir's weapons chair, turning it into an animate form which fights and defeats Ontiir, then disintigrates as Quislet's energy returns to the vessel.

The Legionnaires meet to discuss and vote on six candidates: Comet Queen, Magnetic Kid, Quislet, Polar Boy and either Tellus or Mentalla. Imra interrupts to ask that an open vote be held on her personal recommendation, a masked Sensor Girl. Wildfire is annoyed but the vote proceeds. Magnetic Kid, Tellus, Quislet, Polar Boy and Sensor Girl are admitted as new Legionnaires.

Comments:
This was a well-done issue. Gone are the days when applicants were ridiculed and rejected. Good thing, since there's no longer a Subs group for them to join. We see a variety of would-be heroes demonstrate their powers, some familiar, some not. The comments by active Legionnaires watching the try-outs add a lot of flavour to the proceedings, as does the active mission to coastal California.

Although we got to see Power Boy, Mentalla, Energy Boy and Comet Queen in some detail, none of them made the cut. There were also a number of applicants whose powers were never demonstrated, which does generate interest in what might yet be - will they return? As heroes or villains?

It doesn't say much for the Academy, if only two of the newbies trained there. As Jed Rikane leaves the room, Chuck suggests the Subs - indicating that news of their disbandment hasn't reached him, or even the Legion. After their recent mission to Bismoll fiasco, it's no wonder that the Subs are lying low. Only the ever-optimistic Polar Boy applies to the Legion now.

The mix of new Legionnaires is a good one. Two truly alien beings, one mystery girl, one old standby and one nod to nepotism (in my opinion). Would Pol have gained admission had he not been Rokk's brother? I'm not a fan, so my evaluation is biased, but he has and will be far too timid for the Legion.

Imra also pulls rank by encouraging a vote on unknown Sensor Girl. Did she use her mental powers to sway the vote? As readers, we only have her word that the applicant is worthy - no explanation or demonstration of her power. I believe this issue is concurrent with Crisis #7, in which Supergirl dies, so fans will surely have jumped to conclusions and approved of Sensor Girl.

The enthusiasm of the applicants is understandable, but it does make me welcome Dev-Em's snide dismissal of the Legion's self-importance (in favour of his own self-importance).

Lar has been a bit outspoken lately, which I think suits him perfectly. He's in a position to speak frankly, as he did to Jacques last issue. Here, he gives Dev-Em the brush-off, telling him the Legion doesn't need him.

I like to see more of Earth than Metropolis, so the California Coast scenes were welcome. The water problem makes sense as do the technological solutions. Floating cities have already been proposed in our time; to have built them supports the bright and shiny future we like to see in the Legionverse.

All is not sweetness and light, of course. The Dark Circle lives on.
I did find it a bit curious that Jed didn’t make it through. His power display was competent, and he even recovered well from Timber Wolf’s test. Some more reasoning from the team would have been nice. Perhaps his powers were too similar to current Legionnaires’?

Re Pol, I agree it smacks of nepotism. Even on the last page, someone says so. “He’s Cos’ little brother so we know he’s alright!” sigh, Legionnaire self importance indeed

Re Mentalla. while I do agree she’s second rate in terms of thought casting, I thought her power display quite impressive. Being able to take down someone as powerful as Ultra Boy is quite good

There was definitely a lot of subjectivity here. I got the sense that Legionnaires were judging each applicant according to personal, ill-defined criteria

I remember when Jacques joined. Wildfire objected, saying several Academy Kids like Nightwind and Lamprey were closer to being ready. We don’t see either, or Crystal Kid, here. Why? no mention, no explanation

Mon-El may not have gone about it the right way, but he was right in sending Dev-Em away. He would have wrecked the Legion’s teamwork.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
This was a well-done issue.


I fully agree, Cramey. Not unlike the almost equally good Brin spotlight which immediately precedes it, it's fully accessible, it never feels padded out or under-plotted (if anything, Levitz compresses even more bits good stuff in Baxter 14 than in 13.) Most importantly, it manages to stand on its own as a self-contained story, while still moving some plot threads forward and introducing new ones. And even though the very next issue won't be nearly as good story-wise, I've come to see Baxters 13 through 15 as something of a loose Back-to-Basics Trilogy. Not to get any further ahead of myself than I already have, but the good times wouldn't last too far past 15. And I place the blame squarely on Crisis on Infinite Earths.

And, oh, yeah -- TASMIA HAS LONG HAIR AGAIN! Thank all the Gods (and Steve Lightle, whose initiative it was!)

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Although we got to see Power Boy, Mentalla, Energy Boy and Comet Queen in some detail, none of them made the cut. There were also a number of applicants whose powers were never demonstrated, which does generate interest in what might yet be - will they return? As heroes or villains?


(Looney Tunes voice) Mmmm...COULD BE! Tee hee.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
It doesn't say much for the Academy, if only two of the newbies trained there. As Jed Rikane leaves the room, Chuck suggests the Subs - indicating that news of their disbandment hasn't reached him, or even the Legion. After their recent mission to Bismoll fiasco, it's no wonder that the Subs are lying low. Only the ever-optimistic Polar Boy applies to the Legion now.


Even though Harbi coined "glory hound" as the perfect phrase to describe Brek, I've always had a sentimental spot for the little guy -- his ideals, his dreams, his tenacity, and, most of all, his underdog status until now. Yes, even at this stage his behavior can be downright awful, but I really wish things had turned out better for him in the long run.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
The mix of new Legionnaires is a good one. Two truly alien beings, one mystery girl, one old standby and one nod to nepotism (in my opinion). Would Pol have gained admission had he not been Rokk's brother? I'm not a fan, so my evaluation is biased, but he has and will be far too timid for the Legion.


Pol is "Brek Lite." And I agree about the nepotism. But then, anything that makes Rokk look bad makes me happy.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Imra also pulls rank by encouraging a vote on unknown Sensor Girl. Did she use her mental powers to sway the vote? As readers, we only have her word that the applicant is worthy - no explanation or demonstration of her power.


Given some of Imra's more cold-blooded behavior in both the distant past (that horrible Bronze Age cloning story) and the not-too-distant future (Conspiracy, my personal bete noir of this Legion era,) one does indeed have to wonder about her. Shame that subsequent writers would tend to either ignore the implications or deal with them in questionable ways.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
The enthusiasm of the applicants is understandable, but it does make me welcome Dev-Em's snide dismissal of the Legion's self-importance (in favour of his own self-importance).

Lar has been a bit outspoken lately, which I think suits him perfectly. He's in a position to speak frankly, as he did to Jacques last issue. Here, he gives Dev-Em the brush-off, telling him the Legion doesn't need him.


The Dev sequence is awesome! I love the way Lightle draws him, he's so handsome, but neither too much of a pretty boy nor too rugged. Lightle's Dev looks like how I've always wanted Hal Jordan to look (at last the young, Silver Age Hal,) but most of the actual GL artists have never quite captured it. And, yes, this is one of the few times Lar has ever come across to me as something more than either a powerhouse with feet of clay or a smug, condescending Alpha Male. I don't have any older siblings, but I've known enough people who do have them to know that it often falls to them to say what needs to be said.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
I like to see more of Earth than Metropolis, so the California Coast scenes were welcome. The water problem makes sense as do the technological solutions. Floating cities have already been proposed in our time; to have built them supports the bright and shiny future we like to see in the Legionverse.


Nice observation. Gives me hope, especially as I am all too familiar with Real Life flooding. Thanks, Cramey
Legion v3 14

What more do you need from a cover? The newsstand version I picked up first was the same. Bright, shiny, youthful new characters eager to get into the foreground and with the promise that there would be five new members of the Legion.

I’ve bought Avengers comics on the back of a cover filled with members’ faces and the promises of a reshuffle. I couldn’t have passed this book up with the promise of the new.

With Giffen we had clean lines and detailed backgrounds, and that was picked up through Jurgens and Shoemaker. Lightle gives us a brighter, youthful cast brushing off their years.

We go straight into the tryouts. There’s a reminder of those Silver Age issues that started with a couple of recruits being rejected. I look to see if Sun Boy will be around, as he’s one of the most likely to shout “Rejected!” He’s there on the second page. smile Other Legionaries are either present to participate in the tests (Lightle choreographs all this very well) or appear as little Computo globes, extending Giffen’s in house major-domos.

The changes have been well prepared for. From Wildfire spending time with some recruits; Blok and Dawnstar at the academy through to the heated discussion over membership in #304 and the Academy interludes including Laurel’s shooting and the Comet Queen back up. We had a further teaser that the try outs were imminent when a group assembled outside Legion HQ. There’s also been the subplot involving the gradual retreat of the founding members into the background.

Despite that, I’d still have liked to see more of Wildfire taking a look over a few more of the candidates. It’s become something of a role for him, and his character could do with something more positive. He gets to sit with Element Lad and say “All the kids I rounded up are good candidates,” but he could have had a back-up story as Bouncing Boy did with Comet Queen.

We start off with Power Boy. He’s been at the Academy a while, although we saw Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid before him. Jed has a very distinctive costume and seems comfortable being around the Legionnaires. He holds up an enlarged Colossal Boy and keeps his wits during a surprise manoeuvre from Timberwolf. Power Boy can control his own density. This means that his powers are duplicated by Phantom Girl on one side and the likes of Blok on the other.

Comet Queen’s distinctive voice reminds Power Boy that he’s not the only one to have waited a while to get a try out.

She’s next up, as Power Boy is told he didn’t secure enough votes for the next round. Interestingly, Bouncing Boy consoles him by trying to interest him in the Subs. This indicates that Jed’s time at the Academy might be at an end because of the result here. I’d imagine that this would be different depending on the student. Some may need to hone their skills further. Others simply might not have finished the Academy’s curriculum while some could look for specialised training at the facility. It seems Jed was still at the Academy waiting for a shot at the Legion. Even if Jed had been eager about the idea of the Subs, it would have been a short term thing as we’ll find out.

Perhaps it’s because Bouncing Boy found her, but Drake is firmly unimpressed by Grava’s ability to fly. She can adjust the composition of gasses she can generate, to put people asleep or to hide ships in. Or perhaps the putting people to sleep is always a side effect of the gasses. It takes Element Lad to dispel the smoke from the area. As Drake pointed out, all Legionnaires can fly. Her ability to create dark gas clouds is duplicated by Tasmia and any control over composition by Element Lad. I’m surprised when she makes it through to the second round.

A couple of the other candidates are interesting to watch. As Power Boy returned to his place to await the result, Energy Boy came across as a very confident applicant. As Comet Queen returns, he can be seen making a snide comment to Mentalla who laughs along. More than anything else, that makes them stand out as unsuitable candidates, and it’s a nice touch of forewarning by Lightle.
Compare that to the words of support from Magnetic Kid and Tellus. These applicants, Tiger Girl and Skreaks are all also on the cover. We don’t see many of the crowd that were previously outside, making me think that this isn’t necessarily the first round.

Despite her personality, I liked Mentalla’s powers. As Magnetic Kid is a newer version of Cosmic Boy, Mentalla is a variation on Saturn Girl. Even to the extent of wearing the colours of an early Imra costume, having blond hair and being from Titan. Her powers being more about mind control would have got away form Ira accidentally picking up thoughts (a lot) or having such a powerful telepath on board.

As they continue testing Mentalla, a mission is called for those that have already qualified for the second round. Now, it might be that they were really going to have to go through tons of applicants even at this point. But had they waited five minutes and allowed Mentalla to go with the group, she might have shown herself to be far more capable than other applicants.

Giving Tellus, Magnetic Kid and Comet Queen an extra chance to prove themselves seems a little unfair on those who are left behind.

Those three get to help in a disaster area, as artificial constructs have collapsed into the sea. Brainy and Lar go along to ensure there’s plenty of support on the mission. This isn’t the usual recapture of zoo animals as a test.

Magnetic Kid lucks out in having abilities well suited for keeping together structures. It’s a lot of mass for him to affect with his abilities, and he’s hesitant for a moment. Tellus gets points for pitching in (as does Levitz for showing us that Tellus is telekinetic). Lightle’s page 7 has a really good balance to it.

As Comet Queen also gets pints for rescuing civilians, Tellus hurriedly tells Brainy and Lar that the disaster was sabotage. Both Brainy and Lar are direct, patient and helpful as befits very senior members of the team. It’s a good snap shot on the three second rounders. Magnetic Kid is powerful but needs a bit of confidence; Tellus is quite childlike in his eagerness to share what he has found, and is really keen to help; Comet Queen is the most comfortable in her powers, showing grace in her flight that doesn’t relay on a flight ring.

Back to the try-outs, Tasmia asks if the Legion has ever picked members in this way before. I’m surprised she doesn’t know all this, so it must be for the benefit of the reader. Tinya says that the Legion hasn’t needed so many at once before. As per recent reread comments, this might have been the case a number of issues ago, but by the time the try outs happened it’s no longer quite as desperate.
Blok looks good with his recent costume change and there’s that lovely sequence of Tamia getting a new hairstyle that runs through the issue. It’s that sort of writing/artist collaboration that made the Legion such a popular book. Lightle also had a hand in the design of the applicants too.

The team seem to have already voted down Mentalla. They do hint that she has some telepathic ability in addition to the control she exercised. But Tinya felt she was “second rate" Perhaps they saw her laughing along with Energy Boy.

And its Energy Boy who is up next. He claims to already be a hero on Ventura. Remember that Energy Boy didn’t come through the Academy system,. He was one of the group outside Legion HQ looking for a try out place. His confidence and previous practical experience are at odds with the relatively inexperienced Academy students.

We don’t get to see much of Energy Boy’s Nuklo Globe, as it’s suddenly encased in ice. There’s a lark “Flunk!” sound effect signifying the effect that Polar Boy’s entrance has made on Energy Boy’s chances. Considering Brek’s own sense of rejection at the try outs, it’s disappointing to see him treat another applicant with such little respect. Even if it does make for a nice entrance. We’d seen a few costume tweaks for Brekk of last, but Lightle gives it a complete makeover. It signifies a new start for the hero, and he tells the Legion he’s disbanded the Subs. I can picture Jed’s shoulder slump again as he finds out he can’t even join the Subs. In order for Brek to join, the Legion will have to waive their under 18s only rule. Actually, the suggestion is that the Legion have already offered to waive it, and that Brek is just taking them up on it. One of the other candidates (looking like one of the Power Pack) asks if this is fair. It’s hard to tell what Skreaks reaction is.

Brek has been prepped for this moment for a while. Cosmic Boy’s comments when they were trapped in a jettisoned space capsule put ideas into his head and those have carried on right through to the Subs Special. Like the membership changes in general this has been a long running arc form Levitz, and shows the value of having writers with extended tenures on a book.

We cut to RJ Brande having a meal with the three founders. For the final time, it once again removes the original three from front and centre action, or even being at the tryouts. NRJ Brande wonders who will replace his three grey lions. And that’s an invite for the three to tell him. Garth sees his sister as his replacement. Cos is hoping that Pol will make the team. The Academy students certainly thought Pol stood every chance. And Imra has something else in mind…

Before we can find out more, it’s back to the coastal rescue operation. Dawnstar already has some resentment for Mysa duplicating her tracking abilities. Now, Tellus can do it within a planetary atmosphere by tracking familiar thought patterns. Ouch. Tellus is also unsteady when using a flight ring, which reminds me very much of Blok using it. Magnetic Kid helps his fellow student while Comet Queen rubs her extra grace in flight in their faces. No doubt Lar and Brainy assess each student’s reaction accordingly.

Tellus picking up thought patterns turns out to be a set up for another meeting with Dev-Em, and some classic comic misidentification. The reader is led to believe that Dev-Em might be behind the attack. He’s just been a prisoner of the Dark Circle over in Tales after all. But the tone shifts immediately as Dev tells Lar he’s trying to prop up the structure before it collapses. Dev also gets in a remark after seeing Comet Queen. If the Legion are desperate he kids, he might take them up on their offer of membership.

Lar reminds Dev that the offer was made a long time ago, and may no longer be open. It’s a good exchange between two people who know each other well, and have not formed any close bonds of friendship. The conversation of the offer sits nicely in the middle of Brek’s position earlier and of the mystery Legionnaire to come.

Dev brushes it off and is the one who then leads the Legion towards the source of Tellus’ telepathic tracking. While the Legion wouldn’t have got there without Tellus, Dev is already ahead of them. Where the applicants are unsure of themselves, Dev is a confident professional. But a lot in this try out issue comes down to personality. The Legion simply don’t like Dev-Em enough to want him to be their teammate. The same extends to Mentalla and Energy Boy.

Behind the group, Magnetic Kid can be seen focusing his powers from his head, which harks way back to Rokk using his eyes in the Legion’s first appearance. Despite having travelled down with Magnetic Kid, Tellus is noticeably absent. This is so that he can now appear to probe Dev Em’s mind, in case the Kryptonian (it’s still pre-crisis here!) is the culprit. The intrusion is painful and Dev doesn’t take kindly to it. Tired of “a pack of amateurs” he races off to find the person who’s really behind the destruction.

That person turns out to be a clone of Ontiir. You’d think customs would just spot an Ontiir coming in and detain him. Everyone knows they are all Circle clones and villains now. Tellus’ tracking draws the Legion closer, although Dev is already there. The tracking seems to have the same story effect as Mwindaji’s way ahead in v7.

Ontiir fires a small device past the legion group and out into the sky to cause even more destruction. For a moment I thought it was the trail of Quislet before I read the dialogue. Dev must race after it, rather than continuing his attack on Ontiir. It’s a shame that Tellus didn’t use his telekinesis to stop it, or Comet Queen her speed to catch it up or her gasses to confuse its guidance, or Lar to turn up, or Pol to turn up and use his abilities against its metallic shell or Dev to use superspeed to smash it or Brainy to capture it within a force field…

Still, it gets Dev out of the scene so that Ontiir can attack Brainy and the two “kids”. Ontiir does pretty well and Tellus and Comet Queen are knocked out. I still think of this as an example of as Levitz habit of having successful candidates getting knocked unconscious as a sign that they are to be successful Legion candidates. It would continue as far as v7.

As Brainy faces off against Ontiir another energy trail appears in the room. It possesses the battle chair Ontiir is operating from and turns it against it’s owner. The chair takes on a humanoid torso. This form is actually on the cover as one of the applicants and I was quite keen on it, before I read the story and found out it was an expression of Quislet. smile

Ontiir is defeated by his own device, which crumbles as Quislet has to return to his little ship. As this has been going on the watching Legionnaires in HQ give us a breakdown on what is known on Quislet. “Could we induct a Legionnaire we could never see,” wonders Salu. She’ll no doubt have a similar question over another applicant shortly. It’s a nice touch that she tells the others not to rule it out on size. Her new hairstyle revealed, Tasmia considers Comet Queen to be “superficial” and Tellus “so uncertain.” Both she and Tinya seem to be impresses with the newcomer and its power.

“Quislet the Legionnaire yet?” shows that this creature isn’t short on confidence either. But it seems to get away with it more because of its peculiarity than Dev, Energy Boy or Mentalla did.

The mission over, we get a lovely group shot as the nineteen active members decide on the applicants. Lightle adds in lovely holos of some of them to remind us of who they are.
Lightle has grouped the Legionnaires together. Gim and Cham are close friends; Salu and Dirk got closer last issue and Ayla is sitting in a confident pose next to Vi; Drake and Dawny are together with Jacques next to Drake after their recent adventures together; Jo and Tinya are together as are Tasmia and Lar (and the four together in their clique); Nura is with Thom and Mysa next to Blok who is also next to his close friend Brin. Only Brainy sits alone and Jan as leader stands apart. Although I wonder who he’d be grouped with if he wasn’t leader.

The personality aspect rears itself again. Element Lad enquires about Dev-Em, but no one seemed to particularly want him in the team. They support Polar Boy. “The guy’s waited so long,” says Thom who also spent a lot of time with Brek in the Subs (off panel). But so had Jed. With Brek you do get the distinctive powers on that comparison though.

As Thom has allegiances, so does Drake. He feels that lots of the applicants would make better members than Dev-Em. Since he selected all those other applicants, he would.
Magnetic Kid gets support. Brainy tells them that Pol uses his powers responsibly. After his instruction from Brainy in supporting structures earlier on. Pol was seen working on his own initiative later on. So, he’s a good learner.

“He’s ‘Cos’s kid brother, so we know he’s okay,” says someone of Magnetic Kid. Rereading this, I would have taken this as a plot seed for Pol to go off the rails under the weight of expectation of him on the team. It reminds me of a Titans story where Wonder Girl deferred to Robin, even though it was a young Jason Todd in the costume, and she was just falling into a familiar role. Rokk’s shadow could prove to be a burden for Pol, especially if he’s not as ready as everyone expects him to be.

Element Lad announces the six finalists: Polar Boy, Quislet, Comet Queen, Magnetic Kid and either Tellus or Mentalla. It seems the Legion see the tactical advantages of having a telepath as crucial. Or that the creative team didn’t want to stray too far form the Rokk, Garth, Imra triumvirate in some form. There’s some longer term logic there. It’s a way of recycling some of the Silver Age magic into new forms, that will in turn become more senior parts of the team.

I don’t remember seeing the Legion advertise for five spaces. The cover tells us there will be five, but was it in story. There is a mention that the Legion has never needed so many before, so they seem to be recruiting in bulk; the main limit being the one that restricts them for tax purposes (Hi Wayland!). If so, then the only decision to be made is whether to accept Tellus or Mentalla. If not, then there’s some further voting to be done. One reason this is worth mentioning is that there’s a chance Comet Queen got bumped for someone in the next scene.

In a final twist, Saturn Girl appears and asks the Legion to accept mysterious, masked person to the team. “Sensor Girl has the best of reasons to deserve Legion membership,” she tells them. It’s no coincidence that Levitz and Lightle show Element Lad on the same panel as Imra’s entrance. This is a reprise of the vote that got him elected into the Legion he now leads.

Wildfire may object citing the Academy system, but those Silver Age roots are deep ones. Besides he moans about Imra no longer being an active member, which would have alienated a number of his colleagues. Their bonds and traditions are a lot stronger than that.

Those traditions see five new members inducted (in a scene with Pepsi advertising) under the Legion flag we saw the founders salute on election day. Those bonds have Lu and Chuck appear for the induction. And to see their Academy students make the team. It’s traditional that Star Boy be forgotten about. He’s in the group shot, but not in the active members roll on the right-hand side of the page.

Way back, Cosmic Boy told Drake they should talk about some of Rokk’s plans. Drake worked with the academy students and organised the try outs, including rounding up at least some of the candidates. In the end, only Pol and Ganglios came from that academy system. Both are partly chosen because of the continuity of their powers. They fill the Cosmic Boy and Saturn girl spots in the team. Instead of three others form that system or even, more broadly, the tryouts, he’s watched Brek make a scene on arrival and announce his candidacy; Quislet appear during a side mission and Sensor Girl be voted in at the last moment. I can’t recall if we ever see a reaction from him to all of this, but it’s a missed opportunity if not.

Of the new guys, the Legion finally distinguishes itself as embracing non-human forms. Blok has started off as a changed resident of the Super Assassins planet. Quislet and Tellus are something different. Their personalities have been decently established too.

Polar Boy finally gets to live his dream of being a Legionnaire. The disbanding of the Subs creates a vacuum. Cosmic Boy said he didn’t know what he and Lydda would do when they got back from their vacation. And Chuck mentioning the Subs turns out not to be a coincidence.

It’s one of the stand out issues of this volume. There’s considerable change in the team, with a mix of familiar, new and downright mysterious powers added to it. It’s the end to a few long running subplots which will open up more space in the book. We saw a glimpse of lots of interesting other candidates, not to mention wondering what disappointed applicants would get up to next.
The art is as bright and fresh as the future the changes hint at.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I did find it a bit curious that Jed didn’t make it through. His power display was competent, and he even recovered well from Timber Wolf’s test. Some more reasoning from the team would have been nice. Perhaps his powers were too similar to current Legionnaires’?


I suspect the biggest strike against him is that he was *fated* to be a member. Levitz was still trying to drive home the point that the Adult Legion story wasn't in continuity.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
What more do you need from a cover? The newsstand version I picked up first was the same. Bright, shiny, youthful new characters eager to get into the foreground and with the promise that there would be five new members of the Legion. Lightle gives us a brighter, youthful cast brushing off their years.


This may be one of my Top 10 covers in the entire 8-decades-plus history of comic books!

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Blok looks good with his recent costume change and there’s that lovely sequence of Tamia getting a new hairstyle that runs through the issue. It’s that sort of writing/artist collaboration that made the Legion such a popular book. Lightle also had a hand in the design of the applicants too.


Yeppers. Lightle also tweaked Tasmia's collar so that she would no longer have to strain her peripheral vision. grin

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Way back, Cosmic Boy told Drake they should talk about some of Rokk’s plans. Drake worked with the academy students and organised the try outs, including rounding up at least some of the candidates. In the end, only Pol and Ganglios came from that academy system. Both are partly chosen because of the continuity of their powers. They fill the Cosmic Boy and Saturn girl spots in the team. Instead of three others form that system or even, more broadly, the tryouts, he’s watched Brek make a scene on arrival and announce his candidacy; Quislet appear during a side mission and Sensor Girl be voted in at the last moment. I can’t recall if we ever see a reaction from him to all of this, but it’s a missed opportunity if not.


We don't see one, and, you're right, it is a missed opportunity. Hmmm...I'm getting inspired to write an untold tale of the Legion vignette starring Lamprey and Nightwind and friends...

Originally Posted by thoth lad
It’s one of the stand out issues of this volume. There’s considerable change in the team, with a mix of familiar, new and downright mysterious powers added to it. It’s the end to a few long running subplots which will open up more space in the book. We saw a glimpse of lots of interesting other candidates, not to mention wondering what disappointed applicants would get up to next.
The art is as bright and fresh as the future the changes hint at.


nod cheers
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I did find it a bit curious that Jed didn&#146;t make it through. His power display was competent, and he even recovered well from Timber Wolf&#146;s test. Some more reasoning from the team would have been nice. Perhaps his powers were too similar to current Legionnaires&#146;?


I suspect the biggest strike against him is that he was *fated* to be a member. Levitz was still trying to drive home the point that the Adult Legion story wasn't in continuity.


mad

Again with the fan-wank. LEVIIIIIIIIITZ!

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LSH 14

I'm glad to see Annfie, Ibby, and EDE chiming in on this re-read. It tells me that this era of the Legion--the fresh start with so many new faces--means a lot to the *cough cough* younger generations.

My reaction was somewhat different. Knowing how the story turned out negated much of the suspense for me on re-read. However, I enjoyed reading the reviews above, which pointed out a number of things I'd overlooked (such as Energy Boy's apparently snide comment about Comet Queen and Mentalla's apparent complicity--though perhaps she just nervously smiling. On Page 2, she doesn't seem impressed with his apparent come on).

I believe the last open call for membership we witnessed was waaaaay back in Superboy 201. That one didn't turn out so well. This time, we get a nuts-and-bolts look at the procedure of selecting new members; none of the Legionnaires are in any real danger, and a lot of suspense was created (the first time I read the issue) about who would make the team. There are several surprises; some work better than others. I liked Mentalla; she came across as forceful and confident, and her variation of mental powers would prove especially useful. Tellus comes across as awkward and not so much in control of his powers (e.g., his "assault" on Dev-Em); bringing in an alien-looking Legionnaire just for the sake of having one is as bad as excluding one for being alien looking. I would come to admire Tellus a bit more in subsequent issues.

I never warmed up to Quislet, though. He reminds me of Herbie on the old FF cartoons--a robot created to replace the Human Torch, who was deemed too dangerous an influence for young viewers. Quislet seems child-like in both appearance and personality. His power was not unlike that of Jericho in New Teen Titans (though Joey could take over people, not objects), so I didn't see the originality, either.

And then Comet Queen gets bumped in favor of a mysterious new Legionnaire admitted at Saturn Girl's behest. I'm fine with Grava not making the cut; I think I'd go mad if I had to read "starshine" dialogue for the next 50 issues and beyond. However, I'm not thrilled with Sensor Girl or the mystery that follows. Here's where I feel that Levitz's love for Legion history starts to unduly impede the Legion's progress. Sensor Girl is admitted--as the story reminds us--in the same way Element Lad was: at the request of Saturn Girl, who alone knows her true identity. Earlier in the story, we get a recap of which Legionnaires have joined in the midst of battle. I really don't need these many nods to the Legion's past. It would be like people standing around the water cooler, saying ,"Gee, do you remember when we all applied and interviewed for our positions? Only three of us applied through Monster.com." By telling us things the Legionnaires would likely already know and introducing a new character in the same way as an old character, Levitz is attempting to recreate the good old days of the Legion, it seems to me. Yet the book is already so steeped in its own traditions that more become distracting.

However, the story provides us with a realistic look at how organizations function and make decisions in ways that can hardly be described as fair. Imra essentially pulls rank to get Sensor Girl admitted. Cos, it can be argued, does much the same to get Pol the job, even though he doesn't say anything on his brother's behalf. The Legion doesn't want to upset its founders. Those bonds do indeed run deep.

Polar Boy making the team was probably the aspect I found most surprising the first time around, along with the news that he had disbanded the Subs. It's always great to see someone finally achieve his or her dreams. However, Brek doesn't come across in the best of light here. He truly is a jerk for interrupting Energy Boy's audition (that EB himself seems to be a bit of jerk is irrelevant). I was also left wondering if the other Subs had any say in the disbanding.

I guess my main complaint about this issue is much the same as I've had for other recent ones: There isn't anyone to root for or even care about. The Legionnaires themselves simply go through the business of selecting candidates; the applicants themselves don't really stand out either--except Jed, whose dreams are quickly crushes as he is shuffled off to the non-existent Subs. I found myself feeling no sense of elation or achievement even at the five who make the final cut. Emotionally, the issue feels flat to me.

Plot-wise, it's densely packed--as Levitz's Legion stories usually are--and Lightle continues to delight with his facial expressions, character designs, and layouts. Legion 14 is like a beautifully designed wedding cake that tastes bland.

Originally Posted by thoth lad


Perhaps it’s because Bouncing Boy found her, but Drake is firmly unimpressed by Grava’s ability to fly. She can adjust the composition of gasses she can generate, to put people asleep or to hide ships in. Or perhaps the putting people to sleep is always a side effect of the gasses. It takes Element Lad to dispel the smoke from the area. As Drake pointed out, all Legionnaires can fly. Her ability to create dark gas clouds is duplicated by Tasmia and any control over composition by Element Lad. I’m surprised when she makes it through to the second round.


I felt distinctly underwhelmed by Comet Queen too. That she displayed her powrs just after Jed Rikane did made it worse; I felt like Jed showed much more poise in his tryout. Requiring Element Lad to clean up her comet gases also made me think that CQ could be a liability in a battle. I do agree that CQ's powers on the whole are more distinctive than Jed's, but she failed to impress me enough.

Originally Posted by thoth lad


Giving Tellus, Magnetic Kid and Comet Queen an extra chance to prove themselves seems a little unfair on those who are left behind.


Ditto.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders


I'm glad to see Annfie, Ibby, and EDE chiming in on this re-read. It tells me that this era of the Legion--the fresh start with so many new faces--means a lot to the *cough cough* younger generations.



I get easily lured by covers promising new team members smile

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders


I liked Mentalla; she came across as forceful and confident, and her variation of mental powers would prove especially useful. Tellus comes across as awkward and not so much in control of his powers (e.g., his "assault" on Dev-Em); bringing in an alien-looking Legionnaire just for the sake of having one is as bad as excluding one for being alien looking. I would come to admire Tellus a bit more in subsequent issues.


Same here! That's one reason I was always fascinated by Mentalla. Another reason is her future storyline, which I will definitely be commenting on when it comes up in the reread. For such a minor character in the grand scheme of things, Mentalla sure made an impression.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders

I never warmed up to Quislet, though. He reminds me of Herbie on the old FF cartoons--a robot created to replace the Human Torch, who was deemed too dangerous an influence for young viewers. Quislet seems child-like in both appearance and personality. His power was not unlike that of Jericho in New Teen Titans (though Joey could take over people, not objects), so I didn't see the originality, either.


razsolo has Brainiac 5 make that exact point about Quislet in his fanfic: Quislet is incapable of learning from his/its mistakes!

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders


However, the story provides us with a realistic look at how organizations function and make decisions in ways that can hardly be described as fair. Imra essentially pulls rank to get Sensor Girl admitted. Cos, it can be argued, does much the same to get Pol the job, even though he doesn't say anything on his brother's behalf. The Legion doesn't want to upset its founders. Those bonds do indeed run deep.



You describe it perfectly. Realistic, but not fair. This aspect of Levitz's writing disappointed me though; I hold my hero teams to a higher standard, and the Legion has always seemed like a standard to aspire to. I expected more from them.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders

Polar Boy making the team was probably the aspect I found most surprising the first time around, along with the news that he had disbanded the Subs. It's always great to see someone finally achieve his or her dreams. However, Brek doesn't come across in the best of light here. He truly is a jerk for interrupting Energy Boy's audition (that EB himself seems to be a bit of jerk is irrelevant). I was also left wondering if the other Subs had any say in the disbanding.



Indeed. At the end of the issue, Polar Boy was the only new Legionnaire I found myself rooting for. But that was also only because I knew his long history; and because I had always felt his initial rejection should have been reversed once he had proven himself. He led the Subs to several key victories early on in the Adventure Era, and he definitely had a useful power.

After Polar Boy crashes EB's audition and takes a seat, an applicant near him comments, "Is this fair?" Took the words right out of my mouth!

On EB: it took him so long to power up that globe of his. He would have been a sitting duck in battle. His rather unimpressive power display helps ease the sting of "what could have happened if Brek hadn't disturbed him?"

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders


I guess my main complaint about this issue is much the same as I've had for other recent ones: There isn't anyone to root for or even care about. The Legionnaires themselves simply go through the business of selecting candidates; the applicants themselves don't really stand out either--except Jed, whose dreams are quickly crushes as he is shuffled off to the non-existent Subs. I found myself feeling no sense of elation or achievement even at the five who make the final cut. Emotionally, the issue feels flat to me.

Plot-wise, it's densely packed--as Levitz's Legion stories usually are--and Lightle continues to delight with his facial expressions, character designs, and layouts. Legion 14 is like a beautifully designed wedding cake that tastes bland.



You hit the nail right on the head, HWW! Couldn't have articulated it better myself. That's one complaint I have with Levitz in general. His Legionnaires are realistic; but along with that realism comes the negatives. These heroes are petty, often shallow, have plenty of infighting... They make snide comments at each other and are blind to their own faults, reducing them to the level of annoying and unpleasant people I meet in my daily life. This definitely wasn't my favorite era of the Legion.

Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester


Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I did find it a bit curious that Jed didn’t make it through. His power display was competent, and he even recovered well from Timber Wolf’s test. Some more reasoning from the team would have been nice. Perhaps his powers were too similar to current Legionnaires’?


I suspect the biggest strike against him is that he was *fated* to be a member. Levitz was still trying to drive home the point that the Adult Legion story wasn't in continuity.


Ah, that's a good point. I wish there had been a better in-story reason though.

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Imra also pulls rank by encouraging a vote on unknown Sensor Girl. Did she use her mental powers to sway the vote? As readers, we only have her word that the applicant is worthy - no explanation or demonstration of her power.


Given some of Imra's more cold-blooded behavior in both the distant past (that horrible Bronze Age cloning story) and the not-too-distant future (Conspiracy, my personal bete noir of this Legion era,) one does indeed have to wonder about her. Shame that subsequent writers would tend to either ignore the implications or deal with them in questionable ways.


A good point, and one I forgot to comment on. Now, Imra at this point had built up a solid reputation with me, so I never considered that she used her telepathic powers to push anyone. But I did feel like the Legion was being too cavalier with Sensor Girl. How could they go into battle with someone, and not know her powers? I think Levitz needed to have Imra mention Jan-as-Mystery-Lad in order to sell Sensor Girl's joining to the new batch of readers. Otherwise, too many questions. Plus, Jan's whole mystery was cleared up in a single story. Sensor Girl was meant to be a long-running mystery. And boy, do I have thoughts about how that one ended too!
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
LSH 14

I'm glad to see Annfie, Ibby, and EDE chiming in on this re-read. It tells me that this era of the Legion--the fresh start with so many new faces--means a lot to the *cough cough* younger generations.

My reaction was somewhat different. Knowing how the story turned out negated much of the suspense for me on re-read. However, I enjoyed reading the reviews above, which pointed out a number of things I'd overlooked.


Awww. Thanks, He Who. I do have to admit that even issues which still have great personal value to me, such as Baxter 14, have not escaped the bittersweet tinge that comes with admitting to myself that even the very best, most sincere "alternate history" fan fiction can never fully erase the missed opportunities which plagued the Baxter era. And having learned to look more objectively at the Legion saga as a whole, this era is much, much patchier than I ever realized until now. Your comparison near the end of your review of Baxter 14 to a beautifully decorated cake that tastes bland is well-taken.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
I never warmed up to Quislet, though. He reminds me of Herbie on the old FF cartoons--a robot created to replace the Human Torch, who was deemed too dangerous an influence for young viewers. Quislet seems child-like in both appearance and personality. His power was not unlike that of Jericho in New Teen Titans (though Joey could take over people, not objects), so I didn't see the originality, either.


This, too, is arguably a generational thing. With me having been a kid and a tween during the 80s, I feel more of a grudging tolerance for that era's trope -- in comic books, TV cartoons, movies -- of the cutesy, saccharine, little childlike comedy-relief mascot figure. Quislet, I think, is basically the Legion's counterpart to Slimer, the cute, squeaky-voiced "good little ghost" from the TV cartoon series based on the original Ghostbusters movie. And I am well aware that Slimer and all the other "cute mascots" tend to be very unpopular within the various fandoms. So, for the moment, I'll just say that I do like Slimer, and I do like Quislet (and, for that matter, I do also like Uni the unicorn from "Dungeons & Dragons,") but I dislike most of the other "cute mascots" from the 80s. And in the end, they simply are what they are -- a time-stamped trope that seems quaint in hindsight.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
And then Comet Queen gets bumped in favor of a mysterious new Legionnaire admitted at Saturn Girl's behest. I'm fine with Grava not making the cut; I think I'd go mad if I had to read "starshine" dialogue for the next 50 issues and beyond.


ROTFLMAO lol That should be this forum's Quote of the Week, if there is such a title.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
However, I'm not thrilled with Sensor Girl or the mystery that follows. Here's where I feel that Levitz's love for Legion history starts to unduly impede the Legion's progress. Sensor Girl is admitted--as the story reminds us--in the same way Element Lad was: at the request of Saturn Girl, who alone knows her true identity. Earlier in the story, we get a recap of which Legionnaires have joined in the midst of battle. I really don't need these many nods to the Legion's past. It would be like people standing around the water cooler, saying ,"Gee, do you remember when we all applied and interviewed for our positions? Only three of us applied through Monster.com." By telling us things the Legionnaires would likely already know and introducing a new character in the same way as an old character, Levitz is attempting to recreate the good old days of the Legion, it seems to me. Yet the book is already so steeped in its own traditions that more become distracting.


And yet again with Levitz and his fan-wank! shake I think you summed it all up very well, He Who. I seriously have to wonder whether Levitz's Executive VP position within the company allowed him to get away with indulgences such as this more than others creators. Karen Berger has never come across to me as a wallflower -- could she, at this point, have possibly felt resigned to the idea that the Legion was damned if she did get tougher with Levitz, yet equally damned if she didn't?


Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
I guess my main complaint about this issue is much the same as I've had for other recent ones: There isn't anyone to root for or even care about. The Legionnaires themselves simply go through the business of selecting candidates; the applicants themselves don't really stand out either--except Jed, whose dreams are quickly crushes as he is shuffled off to the non-existent Subs. I found myself feeling no sense of elation or achievement even at the five who make the final cut. Emotionally, the issue feels flat to me.


I have come to believe that, with the exceptions of LSH 284-289, and several good issues scattered throughout the Baxter era, there was something oddly remote and detached about Levitz's Legion writing as a whole. It could all quite possibly boil down to, "Levitz was too reverent towards the Legion, while Giffen was too irreverent." Unfortunately, I can't remember right now which Legion Worlder made that observation recently. Either way, it's a point well-taken.
Originally Posted by Annfie
Awww. Thanks, He Who. I do have to admit that even issues which still have great personal value to me, such as Baxter 14, have not escaped the bittersweet tinge that comes with admitting to myself that even the very best, most sincere "alternate history" fan fiction can never fully erase the missed opportunities which plagued the Baxter era. And having learned to look more objectively at the Legion saga as a whole, this era is much, much patchier than I ever realized until now. Your comparison near the end of your review of Baxter 14 to a beautifully decorated cake that tastes bland is well-taken.


Thanks, Annfie. I've come to realize that being critical of the stories I loved growing up takes nothing away from my love for them. If anything, it makes me drill deeper to uncover what truly made them memorable in the first place. I can also appreciate what really does work in each story.

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This, too, is arguably a generational thing. With me having been a kid and a tween during the 80s, I feel more of a grudging tolerance for that era's trope -- in comic books, TV cartoons, movies -- of the cutesy, saccharine, little childlike comedy-relief mascot figure. Quislet, I think, is basically the Legion's counterpart to Slimer, the cute, squeaky-voiced "good little ghost" from the TV cartoon series based on the original Ghostbusters movie. And I am well aware that Slimer and all the other "cute mascots" tend to be very unpopular within the various fandoms. So, for the moment, I'll just say that I do like Slimer, and I do like Quislet (and, for that matter, I do also like Uni the unicorn from "Dungeons & Dragons,") but I dislike most of the other "cute mascots" from the 80s. And in the end, they simply are what they are -- a time-stamped trope that seems quaint in hindsight.


For my generation, I can't think of anything that was comparable to the "cute mascot" in comics, though certain TV series such as The Partridge Family tried to introduce a younger kid character ("Cousin Ralph") with disastrous consequences. Comics, like TV shows, never seem to know what to do with the idea of characters and fans growing up. They want to create a youthful or comical "mascot" to appeal to kids--not realizing that kids tend like the older characters to begin with. Even the JLA had Snapper Carr, a character who was phased out long before I started reading the book.

By the time I started getting into comics, the Teen Titans were growing up and the Legion never needed a sidekick or mentor. Shows like Shazam--which featured an adult mentor (even named Mentor) for Billy Batson--seemed odd and even a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I had no problem reading older stories of Batman and Robin (or watching Electra Woman and Dyna Girl) because, I suppose, the young characters were treated as partners, not second-rate or comical sidekicks. I think that's how I wanted to be: a partner, not a sidekick.

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I have come to believe that, with the exceptions of LSH 284-289, and several good issues scattered throughout the Baxter era, there was something oddly remote and detached about Levitz's Legion writing as a whole. It could all quite possibly boil down to, "Levitz was too reverent towards the Legion, while Giffen was too irreverent." Unfortunately, I can't remember right now which Legion Worlder made that observation recently. Either way, it's a point well-taken.


Good observation. While I know you're no fan of Giffen's, I think the combination of his creative vision and Levitz's added something unique to the Legion. Levitz brought the reverence and fanboy love of the team and its history. Giffen brought a sense of unpredictability and willingness to poke the characters (and the fans) in the face. Together, they created something true to what had gone before but able to branch out in new and unexpected directions. By himself, Levitz didn't really have the push to go to the next level.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac


Same here! That's one reason I was always fascinated by Mentalla. Another reason is her future storyline, which I will definitely be commenting on when it comes up in the reread. For such a minor character in the grand scheme of things, Mentalla sure made an impression.


I'm looking forward to re-reading her story arc as well. It was truly unprecedented for a rejected applicant to

act as an independent agent and infiltrate a group of villains.



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You describe it perfectly. Realistic, but not fair. This aspect of Levitz's writing disappointed me though; I hold my hero teams to a higher standard, and the Legion has always seemed like a standard to aspire to. I expected more from them.


I've come realize and grudgingly accept that human "heroes" have flaws and ways of rationalizing decisions that may seem unfair to outsiders. I can accept a degree of this in my fictional heroes if it's presented for a good reason. Comments such as Shady describing CQ as shallow seem consistent with how I've come to experience and observe organizations. A higher standard might suggest that it doesn't matter if a person is shallow so long as she's a good Legionnaire, but so much depends on heroes working with each other in close proximity and coming to depend on one another for their lives. The Legionnaires don't have to like each other, but they do have to be able to anticipate what to expect from each other. A shallow person does not leave a good first impression.


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On EB: it took him so long to power up that globe of his. He would have been a sitting duck in battle. His rather unimpressive power display helps ease the sting of "what could have happened if Brek hadn't disturbed him?"


That's an interesting take on EB's potential limitation--though it wasn't clear to me that it took a long time for him to create the globe. Energy Boy's power seemed similar to that of Molecule Master (Superboy 201), which impressed the Legion enough that MM passed the initial round of tests. (Too bad he turned out to be a robot bent on poisoning the Legion.)

Where EB may have failed, however, was in his inability to recover from Polar Boy's surprise attack. Unlike Jed, EB could not respond to the unexpected.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
There were also a number of applicants whose powers were never demonstrated, which does generate interest in what might yet be - will they return? As heroes or villains?

The next generation of the LSV or prisoners of Nardo II’s space prison?

Originally Posted by Cramer
It doesn't say much for the Academy, if only two of the newbies trained there.


Only a select few making it into the main team may have a rough analogy in a top sports team. They all have academies, but relatively few make it through. Youngsters also have the problem of more experienced players being in their position (Jed and his powers duplicating active members), the club being more impressed with exciting outside talent than what they’ve nurtured (Quislet), occasional nepotism, where academy places given to sons/ brothers of existing players (Magnetic Kid) and that marquee signing when a new chairman takes over/ wants to stamp his authority on things (Sensor Girl)

Although Levitz brought in a broad range of surprises here, it shows that the Academy class won’t necessarily all transition into the main team, even if there are vacancies. I say “necessarily” as the Adventure Comics team around the time of v6 had a much higher transition (Chemical Kid, Glorith, Dragonwing, Comet Queen). Abnett and Lanning tried a different approach to this in Hypernaturals, where the team have a maximum of three, five-year, tours of duty. That resulted in more substantial personnel changes, but staggered over 15 year periods.

But you tell, even in the Hypernaturals that a team’s success depends on how good the characters are. Behind the scenes in the Legion, there’s decisions to be made on just how well the characters would work in the team. Readers will have formed bonds with the Academy students, some of whom may have just been convenient foils for spotlight issues, such as Wildfire’s, or placeholders to bulk up an Academy class as in #304. Spending the time on giving such characters intricate backstories goes beyond what was required for the issue. But with those characters in place, it seems as though they are getting short shrift from the writers by not fulfilling their goals.

Originally Posted by Cramer
After their recent mission to Bismoll fiasco, it's no wonder that the Subs are lying low. Only the ever-optimistic Polar Boy applies to the Legion now.


I imagine that this was a tough meeting for a couple of them. Lydda is on extended leave with Rokk and Brek has had his eyes opened a little in recent adventures. But some of the others may have wanted to continue, only to find the band breaking up around them. So they choose to gracefully “retire.”

Since Levitz was building to both further adventures of Lydda and Brek, I imagine that Giffen leapt at the opening this presented to give a final Subs adventure.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The mix of new Legionnaires is a good one. Two truly alien beings, one mystery girl, one old standby and one nod to nepotism (in my opinion). Would Pol have gained admission had he not been Rokk's brother? I'm not a fan, so my evaluation is biased, but he has and will be far too timid for the Legion.


The nepotism and being in the shadow of his brother is really part of his story arc. I’m not sure if it was always supposed to be like that, or if general reaction had any part to play. But the final issues of v3 pick it up.

From the last couple of points, it’s worth asking what makes a good Legion applicant?

A character hook?
A story arc?
Distinctive powers? – presumably bolted onto the Legion rule on unique powers.
A character with visual powers?
Personality? – Promoting empathy, or rarer antipathy, to catch reader attention.

Violating the code against killing before your try out is a big no. Once you’re in there’s self defence or not knowing your powers too well to get you past that. smile

And the powers have to be natural to prevent the team being taken over and called Spiffany’s Legion of Spanglies!

Pol has the hook of being an academy student, which is a body that a number of readers want to see members come from. He’s survived a fireballing incident.

His arc is one of following in his brother’s footsteps and finding his own place as a hero.

His powers are unique as far as the active Legion is concerned. Odd that no one else from Braal was shown at the try outs though. That could have made it interesting. Everyone must have known Rokk was one of the members leaving active duty.

The magnetic effects shown by Rokk have been pretty distinctive, so Pol has that.

I’d agree that he doesn’t have a definite personality as yet. Looking closer…At the Academy, people spoke around him about the try outs. They told him that he’d be sure to get in. There’s an expectation that he would be chosen. He ends up throwing them all away with his powers having had enough of the chatter. His patience has limits, and he feels the weight of expectation.
In the try out issue, he’s unsure until tutored by Brainy. He pleasantly surprised by his success. Having achieved something positive, he’s happy enough to get on with the task of shoring up a falling structure. So, he’s untested, a little unsure about the extent of his powers but calm (compared to the others) and responsible.

Levitz could have made Pol a bitter fire-balling survivor with a chip on his shoulder. Indeed, there was a hint that it was Rokk moving more down that road. Pol’s fairly vanilla, like Silver Age Rokk, with less experience.

Later, Levitz would get criticised for bringing in edgier, wilder younger heroes into he team. The general thinking being that it would inject energy into the team. He had to move the other way to show the next candidates (Otaki and Mwindaji) as being far more mature. So, it’s a tough balance.

Overall, I think Pol has enough about him to get in.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Imra also pulls rank by encouraging a vote on unknown Sensor Girl. Did she use her mental powers to sway the vote? As readers, we only have her word that the applicant is worthy - no explanation or demonstration of her power.


Good point. I do think it was firmly the weight of her personality, experience, leadership and the occasion. And a little that Jan was leader and his bond with Imra. Not that’s I’d put it past Imra when she considers something has “the best of reasons”

Originally Posted by Cramer
I believe this issue is concurrent with Crisis #7, in which Supergirl dies, so fans will surely have jumped to conclusions and approved of Sensor Girl.


Newsstand Boy here had no clue.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The enthusiasm of the applicants is understandable, but it does make me welcome Dev-Em's snide dismissal of the Legion's self-importance (in favour of his own self-importance).


I’ve enjoyed Dev-Em’s appearances. His personality offers a nice peer level contrast to the main team. I’d not have wanted him as a member though. Having said that, I’d have picked him over Atmos and certainly Earth Man.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Lar has been a bit outspoken lately, which I think suits him perfectly. He's in a position to speak frankly, as he did to Jacques last issue. Here, he gives Dev-Em the brush-off, telling him the Legion doesn't need him.


I thought both Lar and Brainy have embraced their seniority well of late. With Rokk and Imra going, there is a need for strong personalities to be in there.
Originally Posted by Cramer
I like to see more of Earth than Metropolis, so the California Coast scenes were welcome. The water problem makes sense as do the technological solutions. Floating cities have already been proposed in our time; to have built them supports the bright and shiny future we like to see in the Legionverse.


I always like the jaunts around Earth, even if they do fall into keeping tourist landmarks from our time in place.

Originally Posted by Cramer
All is not sweetness and light, of course. The Dark Circle lives on.


… mainly in vats. smile

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According to my "Comics Survey," Crisis #7 hit the stands just a few weeks after Legion # 14. Here's how they ranked the week of June 25, 1985:

1. Dreadstar & Company # 4 -- Marvel/Epic
2. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 7 -- DC
3. Legion of Super-Heroes # 14 -- DC

4. West Coast Avengers # 1 -- Marvel
5. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 1 -- Marvel
6. Blue Devil # 16 -- DC
7. Fury of Firestorm # 40 -- DC
8. All-Star Squadron # 49 -- DC
9. Zot! # 9 -- Eclipse
10. New Teen Titans (Annual) # 1 -- DC

11. Justice League of America # 243 -- DC
12. Green Lantern # 192 -- DC
13. Squadron Supreme # 2 -- Marvel
14. Fantastic Four # 282 -- Marvel
15. Amazing Spider-Man # 269 -- Marvel
16. Avengers # 260 -- Marvel
17. Nexus # 13 -- First
18. E-Man # 25 -- First
19. New Teen Titans # 12 -- DC
20. Iron Man # 198 -- Marvel

21. Star Trek # 19 -- DC
22. New Defenders # 147 -- Marvel
23. Marvel Tales # 179 -- Marvel
24. Flash # 350 -- DC
25. Red Tornado # 3 -- DC
26. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 57 -- DC
27. Captain America # 309 -- Marvel
28. Infinity Inc. # 18 -- DC
29. Ambush Bug # 4 -- DC
30. Masked Man # 1 -- Eclipse

31. Mask Prevue--DC
32. Dalgoda # 5 -- Fantagraphics
33. Megaton Man # 3 -- Kitchen Sink

Some of the same issues are repeated from last time because I was doing the chart on a weekly basis and next issues weren't always published on a regular monthly schedule. Rather than having series routinely drop out and re-enter the chart, I devised a system where points were deducted from the current issue's score after four weeks or so. This would cause them to drop in ranking (and thus give priority to series with newer issues) while remaining on the chart.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
A higher standard might suggest that it doesn't matter if a person is shallow so long as she's a good Legionnaire, but so much depends on heroes working with each other in close proximity and coming to depend on one another for their lives. The Legionnaires don't have to like each other, but they do have to be able to anticipate what to expect from each other.



A big problem with nobody knowing what Sensor Girl's powers are, yet trusting Saturn Girl enough to vote her in smile
Typical organizational behavior: Rules and common sense go out the window when your founder asks for a favor. smile
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Originally Posted by Ibby
I did find it a bit curious that Jed didn’t make it through … Perhaps his powers were too similar to current Legionnaires’?


I think that his powers were already in the team too.

Originally Posted by Ibby
Re Mentalla. while I do agree she’s second rate in terms of thought casting, I thought her power display quite impressive. Being able to take down someone as powerful as Ultra Boy is quite good


There seemed to be a need for at least one telepath. I don’t think they were enamoured with either, but they could have had both Tellus and Mentalla on the team.

Originally Posted by Ibby
There was definitely a lot of subjectivity here. I got the sense that Legionnaires were judging each applicant according to personal, ill-defined criteria


Another way of looking at this is that Levitz has developed the personalities of the team to the point that they have individual allegiances, grievances and foibles. As a result, sometimes the decisions are flawed. In the old days Dream Girl would just get the vote of all the boys. smile

Originally Posted by Ibby
I remember when Jacques joined. Wildfire objected, saying several Academy Kids like Nightwind and Lamprey were closer to being ready. We don’t see either, or Crystal Kid, here. Why? no mention, no explanation


Good point. There is only so much room in the book, but perhaps a holo at least would have given some closure there. Perhaps Levitz had some further plans for Jed that never happened, while the others stayed at the academy? Who can tell, and that why a holo or something would have been nice.

Originally Posted by EDE
I suspect the biggest strike against him is that he was *fated* to be a member. Levitz was still trying to drive home the point that the Adult Legion story wasn't in continuity.

Good point EDE. Could Jed’s prominence been part of a little bait and switch here?

Originally Posted by HWW
I never warmed up to Quislet, though…Quislet seems child-like in both appearance and personality. His power was not unlike that of Jericho in New Teen Titans (though Joey could take over people, not objects), so I didn't see the originality, either.


A sort of Jericho/ Life Lass crossover. I recall he brought some interesting perspective to some discussions later on, sort of in the way Brin would solve subplots in a single line.

Quislet was a definite attempt to have a outright fun character in the team. Perhaps it was the creative team being aware of the darker options available in the Baxter book. With Pol, Ayla and Tellus taking over the three founder roles, power wise perhaps Quislet was an attempt to personify the whimsy of those early stories.

Originally Posted by HWW
He reminds me of Herbie on the old FF cartoons--a robot created to replace the Human Torch, who was deemed too dangerous an influence for young viewers.


Ironically, all the kids in my area chopped off their limbs and replaced them with cutlery and utensils in an attempt to be just like Herbie.

Originally Posted by HWW
I'm fine with Grava not making the cut; I think I'd go mad if I had to read "starshine" dialogue for the next 50 issues and beyond.


I think her powers could have resulted in a lot of time in the background, plot wise, if she had got in. I do wonder if she would have got in if Giffen had stayed on the book.

Originally Posted by HWW
However, I'm not thrilled with Sensor Girl or the mystery that follows. Here's where I feel that Levitz's love for Legion history starts to unduly impede the Legion's progress. Sensor Girl is admitted--as the story reminds us--in the same way Element Lad was: at the request of Saturn Girl, who alone knows her true identity. Earlier in the story, we get a recap of which Legionnaires have joined in the midst of battle. I really don't need these many nods to the Legion's past. It would be like people standing around the water cooler, saying ,"Gee, do you remember when we all applied and interviewed for our positions? Only three of us applied through Monster.com." By telling us things the Legionnaires would likely already know and introducing a new character in the same way as an old character, Levitz is attempting to recreate the good old days of the Legion, it seems to me. Yet the book is already so steeped in its own traditions that more become distracting.


I agree that Blok’s comments on who had been admitted in battle were clunky. The dialogue could have been improved.

I think you’re right that this issue is firmly based in Legion traditions. I’m not a huge fan of introspective team issues as they often result in naval gazing. But with the Legion so often fighting to save Orando or fighting the Controllers and Trappers of the galaxy, I didn’t mind this issue as a change of pace. If anything, Levitz takes advantage of the inward-looking opportunity to add in extra layers of it. From flag saluting, to try outs to Element Lad-like admissions to seeds for villainous rejects etc.

The number of Avengers issues that grind to a halt as they pause to discuss their bylaws…

Originally Posted by HWW
However, the story provides us with a realistic look at how organizations function and make decisions in ways that can hardly be described as fair. Imra essentially pulls rank to get Sensor Girl admitted. Cos, it can be argued, does much the same to get Pol the job, even though he doesn't say anything on his brother's behalf. The Legion doesn't want to upset its founders. Those bonds do indeed run deep.


In a missing scene Garth turns up and tries to get Graym in as Kid Holdur smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Polar Boy making the team was probably the aspect I found most surprising the first time around, along with the news that he had disbanded the Subs. It's always great to see someone finally achieve his or her dreams. However, Brek doesn't come across in the best of light here. He truly is a jerk for interrupting Energy Boy's audition (that EB himself seems to be a bit of jerk is irrelevant). I was also left wondering if the other Subs had any say in the disbanding.


I was wondering about the others too. Later on, Brek would cheekily ask Lydda if she was interested in joining. Later, the humorous Subs would get to join in the 5YG. So their retirement didn’t stick for long, and I wonder if they held any animosity against Brek for the forced break up.


Originally Posted by HWW
I guess my main complaint about this issue is much the same as I've had for other recent ones: There isn't anyone to root for or even care about. The Legionnaires themselves simply go through the business of selecting candidates; the applicants themselves don't really stand out either--except Jed, whose dreams are quickly crushes as he is shuffled off to the non-existent Subs. I found myself feeling no sense of elation or achievement even at the five who make the final cut. Emotionally, the issue feels flat to me.


That’s an interesting view of the issue. You’re right that there isn’t any single protagonist. Would more of a Pol or Jed spotlight have worked better? Seeing the process through the eyes of an applicant?

I was excited at the spectacle of the process, the regular twists and the potential of the final selections. The bright Lightle art pushed it all up a notch too. I still feel that way about the issue, while I’ve found other recent ones such as the Controller story quite flat.

Originally Posted by Brainy
Same here! That's one reason I was always fascinated by Mentalla. Another reason is her future storyline, which I will definitely be commenting on when it comes up in the reread. For such a minor character in the grand scheme of things, Mentalla sure made an impression.


Looking back you can see that Levitz put in extra design work on her because of the subplot that would follow. Her power demonstration is a set up for her final story.

Originally Posted by Brainy
Quislet is incapable of learning from his/its mistakes!


Interesting take on him. I’ll watch for that.

… works furiously on an All Quislet/ Comet Queen team up book…

Crisis X-Over!
Multiverse explodes!
CQ: Woah! Novaburn to the max!
Q: Material universes are sillies!

Originally Posted by Brainy
After Polar Boy crashes EB's audition and takes a seat, an applicant near him comments, "Is this fair?" Took the words right out of my mouth!


I do wonder if I picked up on Brek’s behaviour ruining Energy Boy’s chances as much as making an entrance for himself, the first time I read this.

Originally Posted by Brainy
On EB: it took him so long to power up that globe of his. He would have been a sitting duck in battle. His rather unimpressive power display helps ease the sting of "what could have happened if Brek hadn't disturbed him?"


But the Nuklo Globe was only one aspect of his powers! Poor kid. smile

I always thought, that his power was eerily close to the display of the Molecule Master in the last open tryout. I’ve a Lost Legion post on that somewhere. Brek could actually have been disrupting a villainous agent. A final example of the Subs solving a case and getting no credit at all.

Originally Posted by Brainy
His Legionnaires are realistic; but along with that realism comes the negatives. These heroes are petty, often shallow, have plenty of infighting... They make snide comments at each other and are blind to their own faults, reducing them to the level of annoying and unpleasant people I meet in my daily life. This definitely wasn't my favourite era of the Legion.


Another really interesting take on things. I’d read them later, but I like the focused, earnestness of the Silver Age Legion. I don’t think age really crosses my mind as they dedicate themselves to their work.

But their personalities could be completely shaped by a single story as there wasn’t a lot there to go on.

I guess the more that happens, the firmer those personalities become and you end up with later writers using that for subplots. Would keeping the Legion free of too many personal subplots have worked in later publishing ages? For the pettiness some of them show, it’s only some and, it’s a far cry from the Avengers coming to blows all the time.

I can’t recall it affecting a mission, but certainly there are tensions behind the scenes.

Originally Posted by Ibby
But I did feel like the Legion was being too cavalier with Sensor Girl. How could they go into battle with someone, and not know her powers? I think Levitz needed to have Imra mention Jan-as-Mystery-Lad in order to sell Sensor Girl's joining to the new batch of readers. Otherwise, too many questions. Plus, Jan's whole mystery was cleared up in a single story. Sensor Girl was meant to be a long-running mystery. And boy, do I have thoughts about how that one ended too!


As I started reading your comment, I was about to mention that the Jan story was in a single issue. It’s going to be interesting to see how that develops over a much longer period. I remember the impact it had on Brainy.

Originally Posted by Ficklestand
This, too, is arguably a generational thing. With me having been a kid and a tween during the 80s, I feel more of a grudging tolerance for that era's trope -- in comic books, TV cartoons, movies -- of the cutesy, saccharine, little childlike comedy-relief mascot figure. Quislet, I think, is basically the Legion's counterpart to Slimer, the cute, squeaky-voiced "good little ghost" from the TV cartoon series based on the original Ghostbusters movie. And I am well aware that Slimer and all the other "cute mascots" tend to be very unpopular within the various fandoms. So, for the moment, I'll just say that I do like Slimer, and I do like Quislet (and, for that matter, I do also like Uni the unicorn from "Dungeons & Dragons,") but I dislike most of the other "cute mascots" from the 80s. And in the end, they simply are what they are -- a time-stamped trope that seems quaint in hindsight.


Interesting background on cute mascots. I’ll find out as we go just how annoying I felt Quislet became, if at all. At the moment, he’s shiny and new. I’m trying to remember if I found Uni terribly endearing or annoying. smile I think I was more annoyed that no one gave the Paladin kid a decent sword.

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
I seriously have to wonder whether Levitz's Executive VP position within the company allowed him to get away with indulgences such as this more than others creators. Karen Berger has never come across to me as a wallflower -- could she, at this point, have possibly felt resigned to the idea that the Legion was damned if she did get tougher with Levitz, yet equally damned if she didn't?


I guess the balance for books using their own past for stories against breaking new, and arguably riskier, territory is different for each reader. It’s definitely an issue that revels in aspects of Legion lore, with try outs being the big focus. But I certainly felt it had more life to it than the Controller story or the Lightning Lass spotlight. Even some of the opening arc. Like you I felt that 13-15 was a brighter spot in the run. Well 13-14 if the net one is the Regulus issue. smile

For an exercise a while back, I broke down the Levitz plots into his plotting diagram and they are relatively consistent. Like HWW mentioned some of them managed to come across as flat, That was even when the plotting steps looked much the same as issues around them. I don’t think it was really a case of Levitz’s VP position pushing plots through. After all, he’s about to get a big “Rejected!” for something he started in this issue. That he got it into this issue makes me wonder how much Berger knew about it. For me, the last couple of issues reflect well on Berger, as they brought a spark back into things.

One thing from the breakdowns was how easy it was to become more focussed on the interlinking sub-plots and their momentum than the character beats that made up those scenes. I wonder if that contributes to the remoteness you mention?

Originally Posted by HWW
I've come realize and grudgingly accept that human "heroes" have flaws and ways of rationalizing decisions that may seem unfair to outsiders. I can accept a degree of this in my fictional heroes if it's presented for a good reason. Comments such as Shady describing CQ as shallow seem consistent with how I've come to experience and observe organizations. A higher standard might suggest that it doesn't matter if a person is shallow so long as she's a good Legionnaire, but so much depends on heroes working with each other in close proximity and coming to depend on one another for their lives. The Legionnaires don't have to like each other, but they do have to be able to anticipate what to expect from each other. A shallow person does not leave a good first impression.


nod

Originally Posted by HWW
That's an interesting take on EB's potential limitation--though it wasn't clear to me that it took a long time for him to create the globe. Energy Boy's power seemed similar to that of Molecule Master (Superboy 201), which impressed the Legion enough that MM passed the initial round of tests. (Too bad he turned out to be a robot bent on poisoning the Legion.)


Me too! smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Where EB may have failed, however, was in his inability to recover from Polar Boy's surprise attack. Unlike Jed, EB could not respond to the unexpected.


Good spot HWW! If they weren’t going to let in Jed after succeeding there, they weren’t going to let in Sulk Boy.

Originally Posted by Ibby
A big problem with nobody knowing what Sensor Girl's powers are, yet trusting Saturn Girl enough to vote her in


“Now I want you to trust me on another new Legionnaire.”
“I am one of the Legion’s founders.”
“All I’m asking for is an open vote…”
“Trust me…”
Intense look, that makes me remember Cramer’s comment.

She really is reminding them of all the good things she’s done for them. I wonder how the open vote went. Did Wildfire say no? Or did he see the way the others voted and resigned himself? With the personalities that the Legionnaires now have, this sort of decision can cause real division. I wonder if Drake brings this up in the issues to come.
Originally Posted by thoth lad


There seemed to be a need for at least one telepath. I don’t think they were enamoured with either, but they could have had both Tellus and Mentalla on the team.


You know, there's really no reason why they couldn't have admitted both Tellus and Mentalla. Their powers were sufficiently different that they wouldn't have violated the duplication of powers clause, and each would have brought something unique to the team.

I think this gets back to organizational thinking: You have only a limited number of slots to fill, so you want to pick the best person for each job. It's a rather nearsighted way of looking at things, but hiring and promotion decisions are usually not made by thinking outside the box. smile

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Originally Posted by Ibby
There was definitely a lot of subjectivity here. I got the sense that Legionnaires were judging each applicant according to personal, ill-defined criteria


Another way of looking at this is that Levitz has developed the personalities of the team to the point that they have individual allegiances, grievances and foibles. As a result, sometimes the decisions are flawed. In the old days Dream Girl would just get the vote of all the boys. smile


Good point. Again, one of the things I liked about this story is that it realistically depicts how an organization goes about making hiring decisions--especially when a committee is involved. We like to think we're being objective, but, as human beings, so many factors play into our conscious, unconscious, and social choices. The Dream Girl example is quite appropriate. In another example, most of the female Legionnaires voted to exonerate Star Boy during his trial back in Adv. 342. It could be argued that this was a sexist choice on the part of the writer, but I also think it makes some human sense that people vote with those who are most like them (in this case, the girls voted with the girls). Hell, recent US elections have shown there is much truth in this.

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Quislet was a definite attempt to have a outright fun character in the team. Perhaps it was the creative team being aware of the darker options available in the Baxter book. With Pol, Ayla and Tellus taking over the three founder roles, power wise perhaps Quislet was an attempt to personify the whimsy of those early stories.


I'll have to revisit this idea of having an "outright fun character." In theory, I have nothing against it provided there is more than one aspect to the character's personality. Chuck, for example, was arguably a "fun character"--one who resembled a beach ball and bounced! But Chuck also had a multi-faceted personality. On one hand, he didn't take himself too seriously; on the other, he was an underdog: the overweight kid who nevertheless had much confidence in himself, even when he lost his power--twice. Of course, he also got the girl.

I'm not sure Quislet ever exhibited so many dimensions, but we'll see.

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Originally Posted by HWW
He reminds me of Herbie on the old FF cartoons--a robot created to replace the Human Torch, who was deemed too dangerous an influence for young viewers.


Ironically, all the kids in my area chopped off their limbs and replaced them with cutlery and utensils in an attempt to be just like Herbie.


The kids in my neighborhood all wanted to be like Hawkman, so we glued together feathers from birds and jumped off buildings. wink

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That’s an interesting view of the issue. You’re right that there isn’t any single protagonist. Would more of a Pol or Jed spotlight have worked better? Seeing the process through the eyes of an applicant?


That's a good question. I don't know that the focus should have been on a single applicant, but I would like a sense that something is at stake. While we're *told* much is at stake--the Legion needs new members and each applicant has his or her own dreams--I'm not really feeling it or feeling why it matters to any particular character. I'm not sure why Pol even wants to join the Legion, for example. (It may have been mentioned somewhere, but not here.) I think it would have been great if we'd gotten some insight into the pressures he's under. I mean, the kid even uses his brother's costume and the name of a long-ago Legion infiltrator. What would cause a person to do such things instead of trying to establish his own identity?

The only clue we get to Pol's personality is that he helps a potential teammate (Tellus) in battle; I like to think this is what swayed the votes in his favor, nepotism aside. However, I still have no idea what's at stake for Pol.

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I was excited at the spectacle of the process, the regular twists and the potential of the final selections. The bright Lightle art pushed it all up a notch too. I still feel that way about the issue, while I’ve found other recent ones such as the Controller story quite flat.


All of those are good points. The issue has a lot going for it, but it's not what it could have been.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by thoth lad


There seemed to be a need for at least one telepath. I don’t think they were enamoured with either, but they could have had both Tellus and Mentalla on the team.


You know, there's really no reason why they couldn't have admitted both Tellus and Mentalla. Their powers were sufficiently different that they wouldn't have violated the duplication of powers clause, and each would have brought something unique to the team.



Mentalla also seemed much more proficient and sure with her powers. I wonder if its ineffectiveness on non-organic, non-living opponents (i.e. robots) had been considered. Tellus' telekinesis did not have that drawback. But then, this wasn't articulated by anyone in the issue.

Originally Posted by thoth lad


Originally Posted by Ibby
I did find it a bit curious that Jed didn’t make it through … Perhaps his powers were too similar to current Legionnaires’?


I think that his powers were already in the team too.



There's a bit of wiggle room here, I think. I agree that the EFFECTS of his powers (becoming super strong and invulnerable) were on the team in spades. He didn't display any density reduction in this issue, nor do I recall it in previous ones. But if the Legion would let Karate Kid and Timber Wolf, and arguably even Ferro Lad in after already having Mon-El and Ultra Boy... all of these are variants on "I hit hard, and can take or avoid a hit". If the writers had really wanted Jed in, they could have found a loophole. As EDE said, perhaps the biggest strike against Jed was his Adult Legion "fate".

Originally Posted by thoth lad


Originally Posted by Ibby
There was definitely a lot of subjectivity here. I got the sense that Legionnaires were judging each applicant according to personal, ill-defined criteria


Another way of looking at this is that Levitz has developed the personalities of the team to the point that they have individual allegiances, grievances and foibles. As a result, sometimes the decisions are flawed. In the old days Dream Girl would just get the vote of all the boys. smile

Originally Posted by thoth lad


[quote=Brainy] His Legionnaires are realistic; but along with that realism comes the negatives. These heroes are petty, often shallow, have plenty of infighting... They make snide comments at each other and are blind to their own faults, reducing them to the level of annoying and unpleasant people I meet in my daily life. This definitely wasn't my favourite era of the Legion.


Another really interesting take on things. I’d read them later, but I like the focused, earnestness of the Silver Age Legion. I don’t think age really crosses my mind as they dedicate themselves to their work.

But their personalities could be completely shaped by a single story as there wasn’t a lot there to go on.

I guess the more that happens, the firmer those personalities become and you end up with later writers using that for subplots. Would keeping the Legion free of too many personal subplots have worked in later publishing ages? For the pettiness some of them show, it’s only some and, it’s a far cry from the Avengers coming to blows all the time.

I can’t recall it affecting a mission, but certainly there are tensions behind the scenes.

Originally Posted by HWW
I've come realize and grudgingly accept that human "heroes" have flaws and ways of rationalizing decisions that may seem unfair to outsiders. I can accept a degree of this in my fictional heroes if it's presented for a good reason. Comments such as Shady describing CQ as shallow seem consistent with how I've come to experience and observe organizations. A higher standard might suggest that it doesn't matter if a person is shallow so long as she's a good Legionnaire, but so much depends on heroes working with each other in close proximity and coming to depend on one another for their lives. The Legionnaires don't have to like each other, but they do have to be able to anticipate what to expect from each other. A shallow person does not leave a good first impression.


nod


Those are interesting perspectives, thothy and HWW. This makes me think as to the extent of my criticism re Levitz's Legion's infighting and tension. I admit, my opinion may be colored by my growing up with the Reboot Legion: that team had a lot of sarcasm and snark, but it tended to be more like friends twiddling each other's noses. There was considerably more camaraderie (with the notable exceptions of Umbra, and early Reboot Brainiac 5, and later DNA Ultra Boy and Timber Wolf). Little things like Kinetix and Monstress and Kid Quantum II all teasing XS on her crushes, or the girls having a slumber party, or Gates and Ultra Boy manning a soup kitchen together, Monstress buying Sensor hats. I found this camaraderie missing in the Levitz Legion. There were friendships, but there were also many biting remarks (Sun Boy would make one when Star Boy leaves Dream Girl to return to Xanthu, and she would retaliate by attacking Laurel Kent; Element Lad's comment on Timber Wolf trying to steal Saturn Girl away from Lightning Lad; Lightning Lass destroying Polar Boy's ice sculptures when he campaigns for Legion leader; the many interpersonal conflicts during the later Espionage Squad mission against Starfinger; Dream Girl being so excited about the leadership that she ignores Shadow Lass' shock at finding out a Servant of Darkness is based on her ancestor; Jan making a snide aside to Cham when Jo is overconfident with his powers on the Controller's world, etc.).

They were very professional in battle as you said (except Quislet, who is never professional :p), but everything else made me wince.

Not that the Silver Age/Adventure Era was free from this; many of the earlier stories were quite bad (i.e. treatment of rejected applicants). But the team cohesion as friends was certainly better towards the end of that Age. In End of an Era, the Time Trapper chose to make doppelgangers of the Adventure Era Legion because the team was at the height of its camaraderie then.
Those are great points, Ibby. The reboot did a much better job of creating a sense of fun among the various Legion relationships.

I think it should be said, though, that the reboot Legionnaires were depicted as teens whereas the Levitz Legionnaires were much older. Priorities change as people move into their 20s: slumber parties and teasing each other over crushes become things of the past, and adult forms of interaction take over (such as Jo, Tinya, Lar, and Shady sitting around a table, having lunch). Also, relationships change as people change, so some of the biting remarks, etc., may be a sign of people who've known each other for a long time and have become very comfortable (maybe too comfortable) with each other. Among teens, there is more of a sense of discovery among new relationships. (That said, teens often compete by hitting each other, insulting each other, and playing questionable pranks. The Legion never really engaged in that sort of behavior.)

The Silver Age touched somewhat on the teenaged ways of having fun and making friends. There was that machine that revealed who enjoyed kissing whom, dance crazes, etc. But these were just kind of asides to establish the ages of the characters (and probably allow readers to identify with them--many later superhero stories would be "all business"). Because serialized stories were not the norm in those days, there was little effort to show such friendships develop over time. The reboot did a much more naturalistic job of this.
You bring up a good point about age and familiarity, HWW. For example, in the Sun Boy - Dream Girl example I cited. Dirk might not have been intending to hurt Nura; I remember him falling silent after she fought back. It might have been light-hearted teasing from his perspective, and he simply didn't realize how hurt Nura was.

It could also be that the older Levitz-era Legionnaires were starting to focus on other things. Marriages, families, the occasional career outside the Legion (besides Brainy, Dirk at least pursued some sort of scientific career). Thus, they may have had less patience and energy for getting along with teammates they simply didn't like. Teens, on the other hand, tend to place more importance on fitting in and making friends. Thus, they would care less about making snide and cutting remarks. Even if their teammates were offended, what mattered most would be the professional side (i.e. I think you're a stuck-up snob and I loathe you as a person, but I will defend you in battle because that's our job).

Not my cup of tea, and personally not what I would look for if I were to join a hero team. That's why I prefer the Legion as teenagers; for the escapist value smile
Originally Posted by HWW
I'll have to revisit this idea of having an "outright fun character." In theory, I have nothing against it provided there is more than one aspect to the character's personality. …I'm not sure Quislet ever exhibited so many dimensions, but we'll see.


Yeah, there should be some change or depth as the series progresses. That’s possibly why Comet Queen got the reaction she did. There’s little chance of her changing, and we’ve already had an origin story showing as much depth as there was likely to be.

There’s a Quislet subplot later, so it will be interesting if he’s outstayed his welcome by that point, and if that point adds that depth.

Devil’s Advocate Lass has just told me that, by looking to add additional layers to characters, there’s the danger of straying too far from the original concept that makes the character tick. That can lead to a move towards having to reboot things, which has had mixed success.

Originally Posted by HWW
The kids in my neighborhood all wanted to be like Hawkman, so we glued together feathers from birds and jumped off buildings.


smile The kids in my neighbourhood played bullets and bracelets from Wonder Woman. Police thought there was a crazed gang war going on when the first casualties reached the hospital.


Originally Posted by HWW
I don't know that the focus should have been on a single applicant, but I would like a sense that something is at stake. While we're *told* much is at stake--the Legion needs new members and each applicant has his or her own dreams--I'm not really feeling it or feeling why it matters to any particular character.


Fair point. I think the choice between Mentalla or Tellus was as close to that as we got, which isn’t very close at all. I felt Jed’s disappointment, but the successful candidates did get in without us seeing any reactions from them.


Originally Posted by HWW
I'm not sure why Pol even wants to join the Legion, for example. (It may have been mentioned somewhere, but not here.) I think it would have been great if we'd gotten some insight into the pressures he's under. I mean, the kid even uses his brother's costume and the name of a long-ago Legion infiltrator. What would cause a person to do such things instead of trying to establish his own identity?

The only clue we get to Pol's personality is that he helps a potential teammate (Tellus) in battle; I like to think this is what swayed the votes in his favor, nepotism aside. However, I still have no idea what's at stake for Pol.


It’s a good point about what’s at stake for him. He moved to Earth because his parents did. They moved because of Rokk. So, Pol had to go along with that. We don’t get to see the important post fireball and pre Academy part of his life. Presumably the lose of a parent and the act itself was a catalyst to his decision to join the Academy. But he could have made other choices.

Good point on the name too. Does Pol never feel comfortable in his own skin, feeling like a bit of a fake compared to people like his brother? Does he feel he should have saved his parents? Does he feel he can never be good enough, as he feels he failed them? I’m not sure we ever get hints along those lines.

Originally Posted by Ibby
Mentalla also seemed much more proficient and sure with her powers. I wonder if its ineffectiveness on non-organic, non-living opponents (i.e. robots) had been considered. Tellus' telekinesis did not have that drawback. But then, this wasn't articulated by anyone in the issue.


Thanks for sharing your further thoughts on Mentalla. Imra might have had similar issues against Computo-like foes and she got in. (in a different era, which one of them pointed out would have made a difference when judged against current requirements).

The “second rate” comment does stand out, as we don’t really see why. Unless it really is a simple as the way she came across, as slightly hinted at. She’s no worse than a lot of previous candidates, confidently declaring their powers.

Originally Posted by Ibby
There's a bit of wiggle room here, I think. I agree that the EFFECTS of his powers (becoming super strong and invulnerable) were on the team in spades. He didn't display any density reduction in this issue, nor do I recall it in previous ones. But if the Legion would let Karate Kid and Timber Wolf, and arguably even Ferro Lad in after already having Mon-El and Ultra Boy... all of these are variants on "I hit hard, and can take or avoid a hit". If the writers had really wanted Jed in, they could have found a loophole. As EDE said, perhaps the biggest strike against Jed was his Adult Legion "fate".


Oh absolutely. If the writers wanted him in they would have found some way of that happening. Blok being another example. Since Imra used Element Lad’s origin in this issue, Jed’s back story could have had him be found by ruthless killers, wanting to use him to get anything from secret plans to relics Supergirl didn’t pick up in her try out test. Jed is the last of the Dense People from the planet Critic, and so the killers are targeting him. Jed is much safer in the Legion, says Jan, as he asks the team for an open vote.

Originally Posted by Ibby
I admit, my opinion may be colored by my growing up with the Reboot Legion: that team had a lot of sarcasm and snark, but it tended to be more like friends twiddling each other's noses.


Good point and it prompted me to realise that this worked for me the other way. I found the lighter tone with the absence of all those little relationship twists from the Levitz era made it tougher for me to get into the Postboot. I didn’t stick around for the new relationships to really develop and capture my interest. There were other reasons that we’ll get to one day, but the weight of all that past being gone certainly played a part.

From the Companion books, Levitz does have mature templates in mind for his Legion, and they are true to those templates, resulting in many of the examples you give. You’re absolutely right to show they were there right from the start too. The Legion grew up, and they had a lot in common with the rest of us. The Postboot rightly tried to make the most of a clean slate.

I completely agree about the Silver Age. They were right meanies and make the Levitz Legion look lovely. A hint of losing your powers? You will be found out in elaborate tests and sent down the walk of shame! Walk on the right hand side of the corridor when it’s left side walking week? A violation of the numerous constitution subclauses! Don’t even think of returning to HQ to collect your things! Out!

Originally Posted by Ibby
In End of an Era, the Time Trapper chose to make doppelgangers of the Adventure Era Legion because the team was at the height of its camaraderie then.


That camaraderie was at least partly because they were also at the height of where their personalities could be shaped, as they had been fairly blank before. Which like the Infinite Man taking the Trapper round the block, takes me back to an earlier comment. smile
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Levitz brought the reverence and fanboy love of the team and its history. Giffen brought a sense of unpredictability and willingness to poke the characters (and the fans) in the face. Together, they created something true to what had gone before but able to branch out in new and unexpected directions. By himself, Levitz didn't really have the push to go to the next level.


Lightle, if he'd stayed longer, might have provided the push. Last year, he shared a lot of stuff of FB about his brief Legion run, and he said that a lot of stuff he'd co-plotted with Levitz carried over into the LaRocque issues. LaRocque certainly had his pluses and minuses, but I still think he's been underappreciated, which is why I'm excited about getting into his Legion issues. Which brings me to...

Originally Posted by thoth lad
I guess the balance for books using their own past for stories against breaking new, and arguably riskier, territory is different for each reader. It’s definitely an issue that revels in aspects of Legion lore, with try outs being the big focus. But I certainly felt it had more life to it than the Controller story or the Lightning Lass spotlight. Even some of the opening arc. Like you I felt that 13-15 was a brighter spot in the run. Well 13-14 if the net one is the Regulus issue. smile


Ahem. I *did* say in an earlier post here that it's not nearly as well-written as 13 and 14. smile I do think it deserves credit for its self-contained nature, its accessibility, and LaRocque making what I feel is a good first impression. I will, naturally, elaborate when we reach that issue. tongue

Originally Posted by thoth lad
For an exercise a while back, I broke down the Levitz plots into his plotting diagram and they are relatively consistent. Like HWW mentioned some of them managed to come across as flat, That was even when the plotting steps looked much the same as issues around them. I don’t think it was really a case of Levitz’s VP position pushing plots through. After all, he’s about to get a big “Rejected!” for something he started in this issue. That he got it into this issue makes me wonder how much Berger knew about it. For me, the last couple of issues reflect well on Berger, as they brought a spark back into things.


I agree these last couple issues reflect well on Berger. But, in the end, there was only so much she could do to shield the book from the wall of anti-matter. smile

Originally Posted by thoth lad
One thing from the breakdowns was how easy it was to become more focussed on the interlinking sub-plots and their momentum than the character beats that made up those scenes. I wonder if that contributes to the remoteness you mention?


No, I just think Levitz was too afraid to upset the apple cart.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
re Levitz's Legion's infighting and tension. I admit, my opinion may be colored by my growing up with the Reboot Legion: that team had a lot of sarcasm and snark, but it tended to be more like friends twiddling each other's noses. There was considerably more camaraderie (with the notable exceptions of Umbra, and early Reboot Brainiac 5, and later DNA Ultra Boy and Timber Wolf). Little things like Kinetix and Monstress and Kid Quantum II all teasing XS on her crushes, or the girls having a slumber party, or Gates and Ultra Boy manning a soup kitchen together, Monstress buying Sensor hats. I found this camaraderie missing in the Levitz Legion.


I'm with you, Ibby. There was a real easy-going warmth to the Postboot, even when the stories were lacking during most of '98-'99. The Hamilton/Siegel issues had a similar quality. Levitz, in my opinion, was more a castles-in-the-sand kind of writer -- without solid, substantial characterization (as opposed to relying on archetypes whether or not they fit the characters they were assigned to,) there was no foundation to protect Levitz's elaborate plot-and-action constructs from being eroded by the tide of time. (Mixed Metaphors Lass?)
Originally Posted by HWW
Good observation. While I know you're no fan of Giffen's, I think the combination of his creative vision and Levitz's added something unique to the Legion. Levitz brought the reverence and fanboy love of the team and its history. Giffen brought a sense of unpredictability and willingness to poke the characters (and the fans) in the face. Together, they created something true to what had gone before but able to branch out in new and unexpected directions. By himself, Levitz didn't really have the push to go to the next level.


I’d argue that Levitz was the next level, brining far more sophisticated characterisation and plot structure to the book. That’s present right from his first issue. By joining with Giffen fairly early on, the book went up a few more notches still. I think it’s the absence of those extra levels that makes it seem that the book has fallen back. But it’s still broadly back to a higher level that it was before he got there.

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
But, in the end, there was only so much she could do to shield the book from the wall of anti-matter.


…and

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Levitz, in my opinion, was more a castles-in-the-sand kind of writer -- without solid, substantial characterization (as opposed to relying on archetypes whether or not they fit the characters they were assigned to,) there was no foundation to protect Levitz's elaborate plot-and-action constructs from being eroded by the tide of time. (Mixed Metaphors Lass?)


We’re really of different opinions on this. smile It’s going to be interesting to hear more of your thoughts on the upcoming issues. From what I recall, I think what we both consider to be the peaks and troughs of the run are at different points too. That always makes for a good discussion.
Li’l thoth in Elsenwhen

The Best of Legion Digest #64 is Legion themed!

Reread – Superboy and the Five Legion Traitors; The Secret of the Mystery Legionnaire; The Triumph of the Legion of Super Villains; The Super Moby Dick of Space; The WAR Between Krypton and Earth; The Unknown Legionnaire and take a look at the Legion HQ (Rocketship – Sherman; Complex – Janes; Levitating one – Giffen)

Levitz notes remind me that Superboy and the Five Legion Traitors was supposed to take place on Earth 3. That clears up something I wondered about in my Bits notes. smile

Levitz points out that Supergirl’s only appearance as an ordinary member, sans Kryptonite story hooks, of the LSH in the Adventure run Adventure #374.

Mindy Newall continues her run on Wonder Woman story that leads into Crisis. I wonder if the output of the New Talent Showcase running into a DC relaunch with big gun creators, got in the way of writers such as Newell.

DC Comics Presents is a Superman/ Swamp Thing story by Alan Moore, Veitch and Williamson. I was probably just a little young to appreciate it.

Firestorm fights the Weasel. I keep thinking that each time I do this section it’s going to be the issue I remember getting into Firestorm. Now I think what happened is that I got a good number of slightly earlier back issues and its those I remember more fondly.

The JLA cover is a reprise of the JSA/ A:SS crossover. With Aquaman finding Mera as the central panel. Amazo easily outmatches the JL:Detroit. So it’s going to take more than brawn next issue if they want to defeat him.

The Losers Special is a Crisis Tier-in. But the story, with a chapter form each members history and point of view, doesn’t actually match the Crisis book. It suggests that this is their post Crisis fate.
Tales of the Titans continues a Fearsome Five story I liked a lot, and still do. Like the Legion, the intertwining subplots raise the level of the book.

With Wolfman on Crisis and Titans duty, Paul Kupperberg writes Vigilante 21 where it’s Nightwing against Adrian Chase. Kupperberg also writers the Vigilante Annual.

In the Baxter Titans book, the team are involved in a ghost story.

The Flash has his penultimate issue, and the plot has really broadened into time travelling foes and changed futures. I got #350, but hadn’t picked up these last few issues at the time.

The Teen Titans Annual introduces the cosmic Vanguard. It’s really a pilot annual for them, and a Superman/Brainiac story second with the Titans filling in the rest of the cast. I remember picking this up from a small, out of the way book shop as a back issue, and being really bored by it. An early disappointment.

Kathy Sutton convinces Red Tornado not to turn his back on the world. A lot of other heroes make early cameos. With JLD and Crisis about, it’s a rare occasion to see all the big guns together. The lettercol talks about new directions and a possible Red Tornado special. This might have been a post Flash Infantino ongoing series. But there’s not much at the heart of the story that hasn’t been done in some Conway JLA issues.

Detective 554, sees the launch of a new Black Canary costume and that convoluted mother and daughter in the same body thing is moved past.
The Ambush Bug mini comes to a close.

Superman 411 gives us the last Earth-Prime story. There’s a nice part (well, not for the character) where an aEarth-1 Julius comes up with Ultra Man just as Superman appears, scuppering sales. The same happens when Bats, Flash and Wondy appear after he creates Night Wizard, Jet Jordan and Madame Miracle. I can’t say I’m a big Earth Prime fan though.

A great Bolland cover graces Action 571, no doubt boosting sales. Sold out before I got anywhere near it.

Halo totally blabs Batman’s secret identity to Kobra at the end of Bato 25! The Bato annual focuses on a Rex and Sapphire marriage. I guess it didn’t end well since they would all run around the same little plot circle for years afterwards.

There’s not much John Stewart in GL 192 that focuses on Hal and Star Sapphire in a number of flashbacks.

In All Star, it’s a small team against Wotan. The villain has taken over the mind of the Shining Knight reminding me of the opening arc of the Busiek Avengers run.

A small month for me with the JLA, A:SS, DC Comics Presents and Tales of the Titans by the look of it. Looks like I picked up this month’s Who’s Who and Crisis on a trip after this.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by HWW
Good observation. While I know you're no fan of Giffen's, I think the combination of his creative vision and Levitz's added something unique to the Legion. Levitz brought the reverence and fanboy love of the team and its history. Giffen brought a sense of unpredictability and willingness to poke the characters (and the fans) in the face. Together, they created something true to what had gone before but able to branch out in new and unexpected directions. By himself, Levitz didn't really have the push to go to the next level.


I&#146;d argue that Levitz was the next level, brining far more sophisticated characterisation and plot structure to the book. That&#146;s present right from his first issue. By joining with Giffen fairly early on, the book went up a few more notches still. I think it&#146;s the absence of those extra levels that makes it seem that the book has fallen back. But it&#146;s still broadly back to a higher level that it was before he got there.

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
But, in the end, there was only so much she could do to shield the book from the wall of anti-matter.


&#133;and

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Levitz, in my opinion, was more a castles-in-the-sand kind of writer -- without solid, substantial characterization (as opposed to relying on archetypes whether or not they fit the characters they were assigned to,) there was no foundation to protect Levitz's elaborate plot-and-action constructs from being eroded by the tide of time. (Mixed Metaphors Lass?)


We&#146;re really of different opinions on this. smile It&#146;s going to be interesting to hear more of your thoughts on the upcoming issues. From what I recall, I think what we both consider to be the peaks and troughs of the run are at different points too. That always makes for a good discussion.


Aye! A good discussion shall indeed be had. smile
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
re Levitz's Legion's infighting and tension. I admit, my opinion may be colored by my growing up with the Reboot Legion: that team had a lot of sarcasm and snark, but it tended to be more like friends twiddling each other's noses. There was considerably more camaraderie (with the notable exceptions of Umbra, and early Reboot Brainiac 5, and later DNA Ultra Boy and Timber Wolf). Little things like Kinetix and Monstress and Kid Quantum II all teasing XS on her crushes, or the girls having a slumber party, or Gates and Ultra Boy manning a soup kitchen together, Monstress buying Sensor hats. I found this camaraderie missing in the Levitz Legion.


I'm with you, Ibby. There was a real easy-going warmth to the Postboot, even when the stories were lacking during most of '98-'99. The Hamilton/Siegel issues had a similar quality. Levitz, in my opinion, was more a castles-in-the-sand kind of writer -- without solid, substantial characterization (as opposed to relying on archetypes whether or not they fit the characters they were assigned to,) there was no foundation to protect Levitz's elaborate plot-and-action constructs from being eroded by the tide of time. (Mixed Metaphors Lass?)


That’s an interesting take on Levitz, Fanfie. I would need to reread his run again to form an opinion on his characterization. Some Legionnaires like Violet went through major changes under him, but I can’t really say how flat or dynamic his characters were
Ibby's point about the personalities and attitudes between members is brought up in the letter column of the next issue. The letter talks about the infighting of the team and a preference to read about people who risked their lives for each other. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but the letter makes it's point earlier on, when the writer talks about the "exceptional comradeship, the optimism they share despite the situation, and, most importantly, their total vehemence to killing," that he prefers in the book. The letter talks about the recent killings too. I mention that because the response from Levitz says that "in part, it worries us a bit too." That might mean just the killings, but the response could easily cover the earlier points too.

While the point of #13 is one of hope, I thought the tone of #14 was a lot brighter. Perhaps that's from Levitz's thoughts, expressed n the lettercol, on the tone. We've talked before about the darker options available, and used, by Levitz with Giffen to launch the Baxter book (I even typed "darker" instead of "Baxter" there in a Freudian slip). We might have seen more of that had Giffen remained. Any partnership would readjust when one leaves and perhaps the book is shifting back. Perhaps that's given an extra boost with the recent (well, an issue or so smile ) lighter tone of Lightle's influence.

Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Aye! A good discussion shall indeed be had. smile


Reaches into kitbag for protective WW I helmet. Finds Fickles has drawn a target on it while I wasn't looking. Raises helmet into the dawn sky as the first barrage starts to find its range... "Fiiiiiiicklessss!!!!!!"

Later...busted by Combat Cheeks for drawing the enemy's attention to our position...double duties...bother...
It occurs to me, after what myself and others have been saying in this thread about the teens dynamic vs adults dynamic, that perhaps there was a major missed opportunity in not continuing Tales of the LSH, still as a newsstand book, but with new material instead of Baxter reprints, and focusing on the newer members and/or the Legion Academy. That might have helped expand the Legion's fanbase beyond the cult which had been loyally following the original members for close to 30 years at this point. True, when DC did try it years from now, first with "Legionnaires," and later with the Legion Academy spotlight in the "Adventure Comics" revival, the concept didn't seem to gain enough traction to warrant continuing. On the other hand, a lot of it might have had more to do with company politics than with actual sales and fan response? Either way, I have come to believe that by focusing on the older members and the longtime fans who bought the Baxter book through the direct market, DC and Warners missed a golden opportunity to build on the increased popularity of the Legion between '83 and '86 by venturing into animation and other cross-promotion. But then again, there's the whole aforemetioned Crisis thing... sigh
Re the Legion Academy spotlight, it focused on younger characters and had a "school" vibe. I contrast it to the Reboot Legion; Shvaughn Erin was interviewed in LSH Secret Files 1 and put it in this wonderful way:

Interviewer: What impressed you the most about the Legionnaires?

Shvaughn: That they're exactly what they project. They're heroes, and they're prepared to give their lives for a cause bigger than themselves. None of it is an illusion. None of it is for the publicity.

Interviewer: What concerns you most about them?

Shvaughn: I don't know. I sometimes think they're going to look back someday and wish they'd wasted their youth a bit more - had a little more fun. But don't get the idea that they're these fanatical zealots for the cause, or anything... it's just that they're SO responsible, a lot more than I ever was at their age.

Interviewer: And what surprised you most about them?

Shvaughn: Their filthy mouths! They curse like merchant spacemen. Everything is grife this, sprock that, squadge this, frack that... I guess it releases the pressure, but they're so decent in every other way, it surprises you when they open their mouths. Oh God, they're going to be mad at me when they read this.

The SW6 Legionnaires were closer to the Reboot; but even then we had these horrible jerks Live Wire and Inferno being mean to Cera Kesh, Garth punching Cos in the face because of jealousy over Imra...
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by HWW
The kids in my neighborhood all wanted to be like Hawkman, so we glued together feathers from birds and jumped off buildings.


smile The kids in my neighbourhood played bullets and bracelets from Wonder Woman. Police thought there was a crazed gang war going on when the first casualties reached the hospital.


Now there's a topic for a new thread - "The kids in my neighbourhood...". Come on everybody, join in. I want to read what read all the answers.

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by HWW
I'm not sure why Pol even wants to join the Legion, for example. (It may have been mentioned somewhere, but not here.) I think it would have been great if we'd gotten some insight into the pressures he's under. I mean, the kid even uses his brother's costume and the name of a long-ago Legion infiltrator. What would cause a person to do such things instead of trying to establish his own identity?

The only clue we get to Pol's personality is that he helps a potential teammate (Tellus) in battle; I like to think this is what swayed the votes in his favor, nepotism aside. However, I still have no idea what's at stake for Pol.


It’s a good point about what’s at stake for him. He moved to Earth because his parents did. They moved because of Rokk. So, Pol had to go along with that. We don’t get to see the important post fireball and pre Academy part of his life. Presumably the lose of a parent and the act itself was a catalyst to his decision to join the Academy. But he could have made other choices.

Good point on the name too. Does Pol never feel comfortable in his own skin, feeling like a bit of a fake compared to people like his brother? Does he feel he should have saved his parents? Does he feel he can never be good enough, as he feels he failed them? I’m not sure we ever get hints along those lines.

The closest we get to an answer is a page back in the aforementioned #304. Grev (Shadow Kid) and Pol are having a relaxed chat, sharing their backgrounds and semi-comradeship of being Legionnaire's "little brothers". Pol expresses his admiration for Rokk and that he is sorry it took so long for him to decide to follow in his brother's footsteps. Grev asks him what made him finally decide to take up playing hero. Pol's response is "Oh. I guess you never heard of fireballing...". Levitz is definitely pushing that the incident brought about a significant change in the direction of Pol's life.
Originally Posted by stile86


The closest we get to an answer is a page back in the aforementioned #304. Grev (Shadow Kid) and Pol are having a relaxed chat, sharing their backgrounds and semi-comradeship of being Legionnaire's "little brothers". Pol expresses his admiration for Rokk and that he is sorry it took so long for him to decide to follow in his brother's footsteps. Grev asks him what made him finally decide to take up playing hero. Pol's response is "Oh. I guess you never heard of fireballing...". Levitz is definitely pushing that the incident brought about a significant change in the direction of Pol's life.


You reminded me that Grev is another no-show at the tryouts. With Shady an active member, it was understood that he wouldn't have a chance. Still, there seems to be a sense of transition going on with supporting characters such as the Academy students and the Subs--a minor plot to emphasize the major theme of change that dominates this era of the Legion.

Thanks for reminding me of Pol's response back in 304. It not an adequate, response, though. It leaves us to guess what it means. Is he joining the Legion out of revenge against criminals (e.g., Batman's motivation); did the fireballing awake in him a sense of civic responsibility; did he want to do his late mother proud; does joining the Legion give him a sense of power to compensate for the most powerless moment of his life? There are all sorts of ways this could go.
Some thoughts based on everyone's comments:

Minor details I missed - Tasmia's hair thing, I'd alwasy figured was a perm gone wrong but Annfie pointed out that she suddenly has long hair - so it must be a hair growth machine. Oh, the wonders of the future!

The other catch was Mentalla's costume colours mirroring those of the original Saturn Girl. Pandering much? The snarky conversation we missed was: Tinya - "Gasp! Those are the exact same colours as Imra's first uniform!" Tasmia - "How tacky!"
Mentalla looks like a Barbie doll, I can almost her her squeaky voice with false humility - if there's going to be a traitor among a batch of new would-be recruits, she's the candidate (although I never saw that coming at the time). She even has a bit of Nemesis Kid look about her costume.

Thoth asked who would Jan be grouped with if he weren't leader - good question. I can't think of any particular friendship, apart from Imra (which was also shown in the SW6 Legion). He really is a loner. Maybe he and Nura have a frenemy thing going.

The chatter, gossip and sniping among the Legionnaires doesn't put me off. It makes them seem more real, not cardboard heroes. Unfortunately, as in many RL groups, it's a sign of the seeds of their own destruction. We used to have just Wildfire griping, then Tasmia and Tinya started getting a bit snide, then Thom was sinking in complaints - and so it spreads, and will spread. I used to think that the election of Polar Boy was the turning point for the downfall of the Legion, but perhaps it's the arrival of these new recruits.

HWW called the issue flat, and while I didn't find it so, I do agree that there's no one in particular to root for. If I had to pick someone, it would be Jed - and that's partly in retrospect, seeing him still struggling to be a member years later. The others are not as competent as earlier recruits - think of how Ferro Lad, Projectra and Karate Kid were immediately functional (earlier, simpler times, I know) . To see Tellus fumbling with a flight ring doesn't speak well for Academy training.

It would have been more insightful to learn what motivated the various recruits, beyond just "want to be a Legionnaire". The previous three to join, four if you include Dawnstar, didn't seek to be Legionnaires. They fell into missions and stayed, so their motivations may have been no more than "Now I feel needed".

And the kids in my neighbourhood? We got axes and swung them around, like The Persuader. We were a bad lot.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer

The other catch was Mentalla's costume colours mirroring those of the original Saturn Girl. Pandering much? The snarky conversation we missed was: Tinya - "Gasp! Those are the exact same colours as Imra's first uniform!" Tasmia - "How tacky!"


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Mentalla looks like a Barbie doll, I can almost her her squeaky voice with false humility - if there's going to be a traitor among a batch of new would-be recruits, she's the candidate (although I never saw that coming at the time). She even has a bit of Nemesis Kid look about her costume.


It must be a 30th century thing that traitors must have blonde hair and wear green and yellow.

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The chatter, gossip and sniping among the Legionnaires doesn't put me off. It makes them seem more real, not cardboard heroes. Unfortunately, as in many RL groups, it's a sign of the seeds of their own destruction. We used to have just Wildfire griping, then Tasmia and Tinya started getting a bit snide, then Thom was sinking in complaints - and so it spreads, and will spread.


Good point. I see this happening in my own RL. On one hand, it's a symptom, I think, of people becoming very familiar with one another and letting their guards down--being "themselves" (some people are just naturally gripy and negative); on the other hand, it could be a sign of general unrest and discontent. The Legion has been short-handed for awhile; overwork puts people on edge.

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HWW called the issue flat, and while I didn't find it so, I do agree that there's no one in particular to root for. If I had to pick someone, it would be Jed - and that's partly in retrospect, seeing him still struggling to be a member years later. The others are not as competent as earlier recruits - think of how Ferro Lad, Projectra and Karate Kid were immediately functional (earlier, simpler times, I know) . To see Tellus fumbling with a flight ring doesn't speak well for Academy training.


Tellus does not come off very well at all. I would like to be given some indication of who voted for him and why. This, too, could be a sign of general malaise in the Legion: Let's pick the alien-looking character because he's alien looking. Maybe the Legion now had to meet quotas.

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It would have been more insightful to learn what motivated the various recruits, beyond just "want to be a Legionnaire". The previous three to join, four if you include Dawnstar, didn't seek to be Legionnaires. They fell into missions and stayed, so their motivations may have been no more than "Now I feel needed".


Jacques had at least some hint of motivation in that joining the Legion allowed him to stay close to his sister, who was under Brainiac 5's care at the time. The White Witch's motivation is hinted in her origin story: After spending her youth studying magic among the wizards of the Sorcerer's World, she needed to interact with people her own age. I don't recall Blok's motivation (to atone for the League of Super-Assassins, perhaps?).

It certainly seems to be taken for granted that every young person wants to join the Legion--like a sports team or fan club, perhaps. smile

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And the kids in my neighbourhood? We got axes and swung them around, like The Persuader. We were a bad lot.


Comics: the corrupter of youth. laugh
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
And the kids in my neighbourhood? We got axes and swung them around, like The Persuader. We were a bad lot.


Comics: the corrupter of youth. lol


Comics actually saved me from the kids in my neighborhood! They were basically the same as Cramey's lot, only with big wooden splinters instead of axes. Me, I avoided them as much as I could, preferring the company of comics, crayons, and toys. grin
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Re the Legion Academy spotlight, it focused on younger characters and had a "school" vibe. I contrast it to the Reboot Legion; Shvaughn Erin was interviewed in LSH Secret Files 1 and put it in this wonderful way:

Interviewer: What impressed you the most about the Legionnaires?

Shvaughn: That they're exactly what they project. They're heroes, and they're prepared to give their lives for a cause bigger than themselves. None of it is an illusion. None of it is for the publicity.

Interviewer: What concerns you most about them?

Shvaughn: I don't know. I sometimes think they're going to look back someday and wish they'd wasted their youth a bit more - had a little more fun. But don't get the idea that they're these fanatical zealots for the cause, or anything... it's just that they're SO responsible, a lot more than I ever was at their age.

Interviewer: And what surprised you most about them?

Shvaughn: Their filthy mouths! They curse like merchant spacemen. Everything is grife this, sprock that, squadge this, frack that... I guess it releases the pressure, but they're so decent in every other way, it surprises you when they open their mouths. Oh God, they're going to be mad at me when they read this.


I remember that interview. Very cute.

Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
The SW6 Legionnaires were closer to the Reboot; but even then we had these horrible jerks Live Wire and Inferno being mean to Cera Kesh, Garth punching Cos in the face because of jealousy over Imra...


And that, I believe, only proves that TM Bierbaums' unconditional worship of the early Adventure Era Legion blinded them to its faults, such as the awful attitudes the team members often showed, especially to outsiders.
Originally Posted by HWW
You reminded me that Grev is another no-show at the tryouts. With Shady an active member, it was understood that he wouldn't have a chance. Still, there seems to be a sense of transition going on with supporting characters such as the Academy students and the Subs--a minor plot to emphasize the major theme of change that dominates this era of the Legion.


Considering the cast of the later Subs, Levitz seems to already know how things are going to go.

Grev looked to have left the Academy to go solo on Talok as per the Tales story there.

Originally Posted by HWW
Thanks for reminding me of Pol's response back in 304. It not an adequate, response, though. It leaves us to guess what it means. Is he joining the Legion out of revenge against criminals (e.g., Batman's motivation); did the fireballing awake in him a sense of civic responsibility; did he want to do his late mother proud; does joining the Legion give him a sense of power to compensate for the most powerless moment of his life? There are all sorts of ways this could go.


I looked at it as a plot seed. You’re right that there are a lot of ways it could go. Maybe Levitz was still deciding on that one. Not a terrible idea in case the readers had turned out to hate him. He might have had a meeting with Berger to introduce Dahnny Chase Krinn. smile It’s a bit disappointing that none of those options were used in the end.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The other catch was Mentalla's costume colours mirroring those of the original Saturn Girl. Pandering much? The snarky conversation we missed was: Tinya - "Gasp! Those are the exact same colours as Imra's first uniform!" Tasmia - "How tacky!"


smile


Originally Posted by Cramer
Mentalla looks like a Barbie doll, I can almost her her squeaky voice with false humility - if there's going to be a traitor among a batch of new would-be recruits, she's the candidate (although I never saw that coming at the time). She even has a bit of Nemesis Kid look about her costume.


Good thoughts on how she might have come across. Just as well Nemesis Kid is dead, as profem jokes might be a touchy subject. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Thoth asked who would Jan be grouped with if he weren't leader - good question. I can't think of any particular friendship, apart from Imra (which was also shown in the SW6 Legion). He really is a loner. Maybe he and Nura have a frenemy thing going.


The Legion has pretty much been his world, and it’s members his family since Trom. Maybe that gives him a different perspective on the group, happy to have people to get on with generally, without wanting to get too close. Not going down the Jan=sociopath track today smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
The chatter, gossip and sniping among the Legionnaires doesn't put me off. It makes them seem more real, not cardboard heroes.


I think the same.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Unfortunately, as in many RL groups, it's a sign of the seeds of their own destruction. We used to have just Wildfire griping, then Tasmia and Tinya started getting a bit snide, then Thom was sinking in complaints - and so it spreads, and will spread. I used to think that the election of Polar Boy was the turning point for the downfall of the Legion, but perhaps it's the arrival of these new recruits.


And…

Originally Posted by Cramer
HWW called the issue flat, and while I didn't find it so, I do agree that there's no one in particular to root for. If I had to pick someone, it would be Jed - and that's partly in retrospect, seeing him still struggling to be a member years later. The others are not as competent as earlier recruits - think of how Ferro Lad, Projectra and Karate Kid were immediately functional (earlier, simpler times, I know) . To see Tellus fumbling with a flight ring doesn't speak well for Academy training.


Bringing in so many new faces worried a lot of the team. It unsettled the dynamic that had kept the status quo back in #304.

You make the really good point that the newcomers aren’t just fresh faces, they are inexperienced in a way the Legion hasn’t often had. All of the Silver Age Legion are earnest professionals who know their stuff. Pol and Tellus aren’t near that level.

Showing new characters as learning their powers seems to make for a good character arc. It matches that sports analogue earlier. New players do take time to bed in and develop.

But here is makes them stand out as perhaps not being good enough in a place where a mistake can get people killed. I’m not sure Jacques should be in the front line much either for similar reasons.

Living in the Olde Worlde, the kids in my neighbourhood found an old rack form the days of the inquisition. And since we all wanted to be like Mr Fantastic…
Originally Posted by Cramer
The chatter, gossip and sniping among the Legionnaires doesn't put me off. It makes them seem more real, not cardboard heroes. Unfortunately, as in many RL groups, it's a sign of the seeds of their own destruction.


and

Originally Posted by HWW
Good point. I see this happening in my own RL. On one hand, it's a symptom, I think, of people becoming very familiar with one another and letting their guards down--being "themselves" (some people are just naturally gripy and negative); on the other hand, it could be a sign of general unrest and discontent.


Crumbs! How long do you guys think LW had got?! smile


Originally Posted by HWW
Tellus does not come off very well at all. I would like to be given some indication of who voted for him and why. This, too, could be a sign of general malaise in the Legion: Let's pick the alien-looking character because he's alien looking. Maybe the Legion now had to meet quotas.


I think Levitz was increasingly conscious of having only humans in the Legion. It was hinted at before the recent issues. I was looking at the Omega Men for the Crisis thread, and the really strong McManus revamps there made the team look more alien on our century than the Legion a thousand years later. I do think he was aware of the edgyiness of the Indy's too and looking to keep the Legion on par with those.

As for Tellus... Devil Fish turned them down. Now had Cockrum stayed with the Legion, Levitz would have had nothing to worry about on this topic. >bamf!<
Tellus having both telekinesis and telepathy probably tipped the scales (oh dear, I've done it again) in his favor. Say, is Tellus a he or a she? In hindsight, they easily could have made Tellus a female.

But I remember way, way back when Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid tried out. The first two did pretty well, with Nightwind knocking Wildfire into a pool/fountain and Lamprey shocking him. They also performed quite well, yet still got rejected, with Wildfire wagging his finger and giving them a speech about teamwork and whatever. Ah well, little in life is fair, and much of it comes from the whims of the writers.

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by Cramer
The chatter, gossip and sniping among the Legionnaires doesn't put me off. It makes them seem more real, not cardboard heroes. Unfortunately, as in many RL groups, it's a sign of the seeds of their own destruction.


and

Originally Posted by HWW
Good point. I see this happening in my own RL. On one hand, it's a symptom, I think, of people becoming very familiar with one another and letting their guards down--being "themselves" (some people are just naturally gripy and negative); on the other hand, it could be a sign of general unrest and discontent.


Crumbs! How long do you guys think LW had got?! smile




Considering that the Legion's first signs of chatter, gossip and sniping were in the Adventure Era (the founders imprisoning Superboy in their second appearance, Phantom Girl suspecting Karate Kid of being a traitor, all the females' jealousy vs. Dream Girl...), I'd say we have a few decades at least smile
I'm sure his alien appearance was a definite plus in Tellus' favor. But it's interesting that Levitz chose to present him as not very competent during his tryout. Perhaps this was an attempt to build suspense as whether or not he would get in or to create sympathy for him, but this brings me back to my question of who voted for Tellus and why. It's one thing to say "We need alien characters to keep up with the edgy indies." It's another to give an in-story reason for admitting a character.

Originally Posted by thoth
Crumbs! How long do you guys think LW had got?! smile


I'm not sure I understand the question; however it seems to have something to do with how long the Legion has been around. smile

According to Levitz's timeline in the Legion Sourcebook, this is Year 14 of the team's history, which means the senior-most members have worked together for some 11-13 years. They've aged, on average, from 15 to 28+, so they've literally grown up together. Based on my own admittedly limited experience and observations, I suggest that the Legion presents a rather unrealistic picture of young people coming of age and working together (right, like having powers and intergalactic law enforcement responsibilities is realistic smile ). Most people their age would have moved on and done other things. However, there is never a sense that anyone aspires to be anything other than a Legionnaire. (In an Adult Legion story, Gim took on a new career only after an injury removed his Colossal Boy powers; in the "real" timeline, Tenz had to be drafted into a political career; Val and Jeckie leave only after she inherits the throne of Orando; Garth, Imra, and Rokk retire but without a clear vision of where they will go next). Given how dependent on each other the Legionnaires appear to be for *everything*--friends, family, lovers, even antagonists--it makes some sense that the sniping, etc., is a symptom of people who are too familiar with each other--like siblings who grow up in the same house and never move out on their own.

I've always loved this idealistic portrait of the Legion as a team of young people who maintain their relationships, core values, and shared purpose well into adulthood; it's something I always wished could have happened in my RL. However, looking back on it now, some rather interesting if disturbing possibilities present themselves. It may be that the Legion's eventual disintegration had less to do with outside forces than with a delayed sense of maturation opening up other career and life choices.

Ibby's point about the Silver Age sniping is well-taken, but, for the most part, those were story-specific antagonisms. We really haven't seen sustained levels of personality conflicts until the current era.
LSH #15 Hostage on a Hostile Star by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Larry Mahlstadt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Wildfire has just put himself into a new container suit, muttering about the new Legionnaires, "stupid, helpless brats". Computo thought he was an intruder; Wildfire blasts Computo in annoyance and goes to seek help to find who blasted their cruiser.

In space, Tasmia hides the Imskian sun in darkness as Sun Boy attracts space dragons away from the planet and Lar steers them away. Vi and Gim arrive with a repaired beacon which is used to direct the dragons' migration away from Imsk. As the Legionnaires return to their cruiser, they receive word from Jan that the five new Legionnaires were abducted on a training mission with Wildfire. As they prepare to investigate, the Legionnaires dispute on how competent the new members are.

On Shangalla, Brin and Sensei pay tribute to Val Armorr, as Myg waits by their ship.

The Legionnaires approach the star system where the recruits were abducted; Lar can't see anything suspicious, but he is suddenly grabbed by a solar flare and pulled to an asteroid. Another flare seizes the cruiser but, before it crashes, Lar catches it and eases it down to the surface.

Dawnstar and Wildfire depart to join the search for the abducted Legionnaires, followed by a second cruiser. Nura chides Jan in a flirtatious manner, overheard by Thom who tells Jan to ignore her teasing. Thom also worries about inducting so many new members at once.

On the surface of the asteroid, an earthquake opens the ground and the Legionnaires come face to face with Dr. Regulus. The five abducted recruits are held in a stasis field behind him; only Quislet is speaking. Regulus wants Dirk.

On Earth, Lydda and Rokk attend the opening of a Superhero Museum in the former Subs/former Legion clubhouse. Lydda is overwhelmed by the crowds and the two fly off on their vacation.

The Legionnaires and the released recruits are back on the cruiser, as Dirk and Regulus face off in battle. Vi wants to help Dirk, but is stopped by Lar, who tells her that Dirk himself wanted this one-on-one. Regulus is giving Dirk a beating until Dirk puts his flight ring on Regulus and forces him to fly into a rock wall, knocking him uncsonscious. He then calls his fellow Legionnaires.

At the Time Institute, Brainy checks records and thinks about madness - and the thousand-year anniversary of the saddest day of his life. He hopes that "she" may somehow live.

Comments:

It's not a great start for the new Legionnaires. They spend their first issue standing around. Wildfire gripes about the "brats" but it appears he defended them when explaining the situation to Jan. Since Regulus managed to ambush the more experienced Legionnaires as well, we can excuse the newbies for falling into the trap.

Doctor Regulus is not one of my favourite villains, by far. He might be more suited to comic relief in a Giffen spoof. Is this his fourth attempt to bring down Dirk Morgna? He lacks the intensity of Mekt Ranzz and strikes me as more petulant than threatening. Although he does give Dirk a bit of a challenge for a few panels, he's easily taken down by a clever use of brute force. There's a chatty bit of history rehashing as Regulus and Dirk fight, which seems to be a given in superhero battles. Dirk out-thinks Regulus; I have to wonder what Regulus thought the end-game would be if he defeated Dirk. Would a whole team of Legionnaires (with more on the way) not have been able to subdue and capture him had Dirk been killed?

The idea of an enemy so focused on one person that he abandons the chance to gain serious villain cred by killing a group of Legionnaires has a lot of potential, but Regulus comes across more as a showoff than a vengeance-seeker. Ego meets ego. Perhaps that radioactive gold has been rotting his brain.

Each new containment suit gives Wildfire slightly different powers? That's a new one and looks like a set-up for playing around with the character's power set in future stories. It doesn't really make sense that the containment suit specs would vary to that degree - and Wildfire hasn't been pulling rabbits out of hats lately, so I don't see the need for this explanation, except as a basis for surprises yet to come.

The space dragons are familiar creatures but used to good purpose here, giving Tasmia a chance to demonstrate very powerful shadow-casting, although it's clearly a strain on her. At least this can explain why she's the only one collapsing from dizziness when their ship is brought to the asteroid. It's not just a ploy to fall into Lar's arms, which worked so well way back in their Smallville adventure.

Another fainting damsel, with no excuse, is Lydda: is she agoraphobic? Reduced to tears in a crowd! She claims the Subs "folded" on her. Without Brek, the group must have been unwilling to continue, which puts their dedication or abilities into question. Lydda might well have been capable of leading them herself, but she's more interested in trailing after Rokk at this point.

Computo continues to screw up, mistaking a disembodied Wildfire for an intruder, and leaving the door open for problems in the future.

Vi and Dirk have gotten a little chummier, she saying that he would be wasted steering dragons away. She's the only one who tries to intervene in his battle with Regulus. This could be a result of their recent (possible) closeness, or her awareness of what it was like to be abandoned by your friends (even if they didn't realize she had been kidnapped). She's sharp-tongued with the new kids, though, saying they were easily caught by Regulus although she herself saw how powerful the flare-creatures were.

The disagreements over new members continue, even now that the five have been accepted. Gim and Tasmia are critical; Dirk thinks the newbies should just jump in. One does have to question, at least in retrospect, why all five would be sent together on a training mission instead of splitting them up to work with experienced Legionnaires.

We get our first glimpse of Sensor Girl's powers; she can tell the heat of the asteroid is rising as Dirk and Regulus battle but no explanation of how she knows this is given.

Brainy mulls over the death of Supergirl and hopes it doesn't happen. This sort of wishful thinking wouldn't make sense for him but one might accept it as his honest emotion overcoming logic. Looking back, however, it's another clue that Sensor Girl might be Kara.

The stand-out page of this issue is #8, with Lar seized by the solar flares - wow!
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Doctor Regulus is not one of my favourite villains, by far. He might be more suited to comic relief in a Giffen spoof. Is this his fourth attempt to bring down Dirk Morgna? He lacks the intensity of Mekt Ranzz and strikes me as more petulant than threatening. Although he does give Dirk a bit of a challenge for a few panels, he's easily taken down by a clever use of brute force. There's a chatty bit of history rehashing as Regulus and Dirk fight, which seems to be a given in superhero battles. Dirk out-thinks Regulus; I have to wonder what Regulus thought the end-game would be if he defeated Dirk. Would a whole team of Legionnaires (with more on the way) not have been able to subdue and capture him had Dirk been killed?

The idea of an enemy so focused on one person that he abandons the chance to gain serious villain cred by killing a group of Legionnaires has a lot of potential, but Regulus comes across more as a showoff than a vengeance-seeker. Ego meets ego. Perhaps that radioactive gold has been rotting his brain.


I agree with all of what you said, Cramey. I only wish he weren't such a sad loser for two reasons: One, his cool, very sci-fi name (I wonder if his first name, Zaxton, might have inspired the name of the classic 80s sci-fi arcade game Zaxxon?); two, his costume, which I've always liked a lot, especially since Dave Cockrum streamlined in back in the day. Hmmmm...if Black Dawn had happened in some way, shape, or form, then perhaps a new villain much more deserving of that costume might have emerged?

Anyhow, we've got the latest Dirk/Regulus clash to deal with right now. And while Levitz's script is formulaic in the extreme, and with an even lamer Regulus Downfall than usual, I still give Levitz credit for keeping the story self-contained and well-paced. And I also like Lightle's cover -- specifically the clean, uncluttered composition, and the way the warm colors pop and fizz without feeling excessive.

But if this issue is about anything, it's about new Legion pencil artist Greg LaRocque making what I consider a very promising debut indeed!

Let's get his faults out of the way -- he may not be as good a draftsman as Lightle, his designs may not be as ornamental or as fanciful as Giffen's, and he seems to have put more effort into some panels than others.

However, at his best (and having glanced at the next few issues, I can say objectively that it's gonna take him a few months to return to the heights he soars to in this issue,) LaRocque brings what I consider a bracing combination of Marvel-style dynamics, an eye for the beauty of the human form, and fluid line-work whose looseness feels more often -- to me at least -- as being more sensuous than sloppy (again, a positive Marvel influence -- look at what the artistic team of John Buscema & Tom Palmer were doing contemporaneously over in Avengers, circa issues 257-264.) If there are Legion precedents for his style, they would be John Forte and Mike Grell (neither of them being everyone's cup of tea, although Forte has won a lot of converts, myself included, in the decades since his passing.)

More than anything, when LaRocque was really cooking, he provided a welcome infusion of *energy!* A level of energy I haven't seen on the Legion since...maybe as far back as the Omega Saga! And I believe that is because, unlike Lightle or Giffen, LaRocque was a fast worker who did not over-think his drawings. There is a genuine kinesthetic quality to LaRocque's art which, to my mind, made him perhaps better suited for Flash (which he would draw for over 5 consecutive years) than for the Legion. But I would also argue that LaRocque took over the Legion at a perfect time. With Lightle being a meticulous perfectionist, and Giffen being Giffen, the Legion's book had, by this point, fallen so far behind schedule that it was almost absurd. The Legion, I assert, *needed* a pedal-to-the-metal, no-nonsense professional at this moment, if only to get itself back on track, and, yes, back to basics.
Legion v3 15

No surprise who the villain is as Doctor Regulus holds the 5 new members in a fiery prison on the cover. The eye-catching colours would have helped it stand out on the racks.

Wildfire has had his containment suit destroyed again. After Magno Lad showed that all villains would surely target it, it was perhaps time for Drake to get something with a bit more armour to it.

He’s not happy about it. He’s blaming the new recruits calling them “stupid, helpless brats!” Wildfire not the most likely to accept criticism, but it’s not a great attitude for the guy who’s supposed to be training such students. I like to think he’s just angry with himself, and knows no one else is around to hear him vent.

He does talk to himself quite a bit here though. His personal feelings about being a puddle of anti-energy are a little on the nose for him to be blurting out.

In telling us something has gone wrong with a mission involving the rookies, we learn that all his Wildfire suits are different. That matches the difference between what he wears now and the original, all powerful outfit. We’ve never seen much difference in his powers though. Perhaps that’s what we’ll start to see now.

As he leaves with his new outfit, it seems that someone blasted their cruiser. SO, the team may have been taken by surprise. We also get a nod to a Legion archive being in tesseract. That could have spawned a back up story somewhere along the line.

Elsewhere a field team of Salu, Dirk, Lar, Tasmia and Gim are activating a space beacon to attract the dragons of Imsk. We see Tasmia use her powers over a vast distance. It wears her out, but it’s the power levels she had shown back in the Silver Age, when all the female Legionnaires had their powers enhanced. We also learn that Dirk can’t adjust the wavelength of his powers, and its that which attracts the dragons. You’d think Imsk would have invested in a back up beacon or two, rather than rely on the Legion to repair the only one they had.

This is the field team that’s called in to rescue the new members. There’s clearly a split, much like was indicated in #304, about new members. Tasmia thinks that they couldn’t handle so many new members. Gim that they should have gone to the Academy. Even though Tellus and Pol are from there, and have easily had as much training as Jacques, Mysa and Blok. And forgetting the fact that Polar Boy has helped save the Legion’s butt on a couple of occasions.

Dirk seems more comfortable with the new members learning the ropes the hard way. His Silver Age approach is probably thinking that this is the best way to flush out the Khundian traitor, the Trapper pawn and the LSV infiltrator from the new members.
On Shanghalla, Brin tells Vl’s grave that his mission was a success. We get a quick summary aobut the purpose of the mission to plant flowers on Lythyl, that Brin is very rich and that Myg is still with them, and to be trained by Sensei.

I wonder why Myg has stayed with them. He hinted that he’s older than he appears, or has some other method of attaining a lifetime of skills. Would he be considered a failure if he returned? Has he automatically lost his place on Lythyl because he was kidnapped? I get the feeling there should be something more proactive form Myg.

The Imsk field team have reached the system where the new recruits were attacked. Lar is attacked by seemingly sentient solar flares and dragged down to an asteroid. He’s invulnerable, but the energies still look immensely powerful against him.

Having seen what the flares did to Lar, it seems odd that the Legion cruiser would follow in after him. The same thing happens to them, and they’re not nearly as resilient. Lar rescues them before they crash. So, I’ll not expect any further criticism from them about being caught.

Back at HQ, Wildfire and Dawny depart back to help with the rescue. A second cruiser goes with them, leaving things a little understaffed at home. I can’t imagine Dawny and Drkae holding back with the cruiser though.

Dawny makes the point of reminding the reader about having to get into space before her powers work. Someone should have reminded Wolfman over in Crisis.

Back at the mission monitor board, Nura and Jan parry a bit. Nura would have a similar chat with Brek when he was leader too. Thom picks up on Jan’s comment about Nura. Thom actually agrees with Jan. Interestingly the couple don’t arrive or depart the scene together. In fact, Thom appears in her trail, out of some moody shadows. All’s not well in the Tom & Nura department.

Back on the fiery asteroid, Lar doesn’t have much luck in finding the new recruits. Tasmia deliberately plays up to reinforce her closeness to Lar. When the ground erupts beneath them, she’s very ready for combat.

Despite being dragged underground in a pile of fiery rubble, none of the Legionnaires is scratched. There’s a nice two-page ad break between the villain announcing himself and the reveal. Well, it was on the cover, but they might not have known that when drawing the internals.

As Dirk confronts him, Regulus reveals that he escaped Takron Galtos during the Great Darkness Saga. The new warden on Labyrinth must have not noticed as he was practising his maniacal laughter.

Lar is the first to go into rescue the new recruits. There’s a few things to point out here.

There’s no information on how Regulus captured the first Legion cruiser. It seems they just happened to be in the area, and Regulus then used them as bait. But that could have been a very long wait for him.

Somehow Quislet knows that attacking will jeopardise the lives of the newbies. How does he know this? Is it due to his particular energy composition?

Regulus and Quislet are warning against Lar using his speed and other powers or the captives will die. But the art shows him doing exactly that as he’s being told.

The captive will die because the flame beings on the asteroid have developed technology to make it happen. Why would beings made of flame want such technology?

It’s just a shame that he’s telling Lar this while we can clearly see him use his heat vision start an attack.

Regulus’ plan is simply to have revenge on Dirk. He had no way of knowing that Dirk would turn up in the rescue party. Regulus made no demands that he should be there. Regulus is breathing fire. I wonder how close the bond is between him and the flame creatures. It’s something that isn’t explored.

Before we get the confrontation between Regulus and Dirk, we switch to Lydda and Rokk opening the Legion Rocketship as a museum. Lydda says that the Subs “folded on her” It looks as though Brek pulled the plug. The others didn’t have to quit, but I guess morale was low after the Subs Special. Lydda was already on leave from the Subs to be with Rokk when it happened though. She was vital to the start of the group, and perhaps her being there could have kept it going. She wouldn’t go far from it for long though.

The pair are swamped by admirers. Rokk tells the crowd that they’re both private citizens. But they’re actually celebrities who have been invited along for the opening. In the end, the pair fly from the crowd using their flight rings and share a nice moment as we return to the main plot (I do note Rokk jokingly suggests he’ll recommend her to the Legion. After all Pol got in smile ).

It’s a scene that doesn’t do much in this story, but is setting things up for future issues. I’d hope to see Mayor Kahlid in a certain later plot too.

The new recruits are recovering on the rescue cruiser. Gim is supportive as Brek beats himself up. Pol gets to say “amazing” this issue, while Tellus acts as a Blok stand in regarding the reasoning of humans. Quislet gets a line, but its Sensor Girl who alerts the team to events happening below. Lar’s heat vision is defected by the flame creatures creating flame illusions (Plot Powers!). But Sensor Girl isn’t troubled by that. Interesting considering who she’s supposed to be.

Regulus is written well in the finale. He wants his revenge. He’s not interested in the wider Legion at all really. He’s obsessed with Dirk, and the easy success he thinks the Legionnaire has achieved.

Dirk parries with a different version of events, and neither get to be so wordy that they interfere with the action.

Dirk can’t use his powers, as the flame creatures feed on them. He’s no match for Regulus physically. Regulus has been playing around with radioactive gold for a long time, which as we all know doesn’t grant a lingering, painful death but powers!

Emphasising her approach following her time in a sens-tank, Vi isn’t going to let her colleague get beaten to death.

The Legion may have given their word, but Vi is willing to break that, marking quite a change in how the team operates. Note that Brek has recently said “You could bet your life on less,” when referring to the word of a Legionnaire. It notes a sharp difference of opinion between the idealist Brek’s view of the team and Vi’s battle hardened approach. The friction between these viewpoints would spread through much of the remainder of v3.

Salu flies out to confront Regulus. I like to think that she’d do this anyway, and not just because she was trying to get very close to Dirk an issue or so back. She’s stopped by Gim and Lar, neither of whom know that Dirk will survive the next punch. But they are confident in their friend. Maybe they would fly down too if it looked as though Dirk was unconscious. Perhaps the world of a Legionnaire can be more flexible. We don’t get to see it reach that point.

Instead of delivering a killer blow, Regulus pauses for some maniacal laughter. Just because. Dirk uses those seconds to place his flight ring in Regulus’ armour and fly him into a wall.

Lar says “I knew it” as he’s monitoring the fight with his telescopic vision. Behind him we only see Sensor Girl and you get the feeling she knows exactly what Lar knows. There’s a thought that she might be able to tap into the senses of others. Her appearance with a Daxamite here isn’t a coincidence.

I would have thought some of the others would have come up with a plan B though. Even if they didn’t have to use it. Going by the rest of the plot this issue, it would have involved some Imskian dragons being diverted to the fiery planet, distracting the flame creatures enough for Dirk to use his powers.

Another flaw is that Wildfire opens the issue. He’s on his way with a load of reinforcements. Yet we don’t see them again in the story. Those panels are basically wasted, plot wise unless the goal is to take nearly the whole team off the planet.

As an epilogue, Brainy realises that it’s the anniversary of the saddest day in his reckoning of history. Madness is mentioned in passing, hinting at what poor Querl is about to go through.

If the idea was to showcase the new members then it didn’t really work out. It’s really a Sun Boy spotlight. Sensor Girl got the most panel time and did something proactive. Brek pins his idealism to the mast early on and his self-criticism. Quislet was quirky. Tellus was Blok, while Pol was just overawed by it all.

We’ve already had a Sun Boy vs Regulus spotlight issue. So, as menacing as Regulus was in the finale, it’s something of a reprise. The reasoning behind the plot relies on huge coincidence and unlikely actions and technology. Apart from Brainy at the end, none of the subplots stood out as being a contender for the next Legion adventure. I suppose Brainy’s will be due to the Crisis crossovers.

The Imskian dragons were all set up; Thom and Nura is always really understated and glacial; Brin/Myg/Val Sensei looks as though it will move in smaller steps now (good to see Levitz not forgetting to put in a closure scene this issue).

Lydda and Rokk don’t have anything definite to do as they head off on vacation. Like Val and Jeckie going off on honeymoon, that one will become something bigger later on, but you’d not be able to tell that from here. There are hints of more though. Sensor Girl’s mystery; ideological differences in the team; Mayor Kahlid perhaps? But again, you’d have to be raised on Naltor to see the significance this early, resulting in a decent issue without much oomph.

Larocque has a very good first issue. The panel compositions are varied throughout. He’s got a good grasp on choreography making the Dirk/Regulus battle a tense, interesting one. The dragging down of Lar and the Shuttle were well done too. Faces were a bit of a weak area, more in wonky jawlines as several emotions come across just fine.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Larocque has a very good first issue. The panel compositions are varied throughout. He’s got a good grasp on choreography making the Dirk/Regulus battle a tense, interesting one. The dragging down of Lar and the Shuttle were well done too. Faces were a bit of a weak area, more in wonky jawlines as several emotions come across just fine.


I'm glad we mostly agree on this issue's art.

Point taken about the jawlines, but at least the faces are prettier than Giffen's. But then, what artist draws worse faces than Giffen? wink
I think you made the point about having someone on the art to hit the schedules. So, there is the question on how much time Greg got to turn the art in. Not to mention the standard learning curve.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Tasmia's hair thing, I'd alwasy figured was a perm gone wrong but Annfie pointed out that she suddenly has long hair - so it must be a hair growth machine. Oh, the wonders of the future!


Yes, indeed!

And I'll just bet the ladies of the Legion have been circulating that device since the Cockrum era -- that'd explain why most of them suddenly grew their hair much longer.

As a matter of fact, in my personal Legion continuity, Luornu uses it at some point soon after the Magic Wars. Somewhere, I have some breakdowns I did last year showing her with the device on her head, then taking it off, and then cheerfully running a brush through her lovely, newly restored auburn locks. If I can find them, I'll post them in Bits.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Point taken about the jawlines, but at least the faces are prettier than Giffen's. But then, what artist draws worse faces than Giffen? wink


I get you. It took me longer than it should to appreciate Kirby and Infantino and others. Yet, I've had phases where I've really liked Giffen faces. I think there's something about #50 in this volume I like, and then by the time v4 comes around , I'm brainwashed. smile Come to think of it, that issue where they're showing off some new costumes is the one that did it. I read that before I got #50.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Point taken about the jawlines, but at least the faces are prettier than Giffen's. But then, what artist draws worse faces than Giffen? wink


I get you. It took me longer than it should to appreciate Kirby and Infantino and others. Yet, I've had phases where I've really liked Giffen faces. I think there's something about #50 in this volume I like, and then by the time v4 comes around , I'm brainwashed. smile Come to think of it, that issue where they're showing off some new costumes is the one that did it. I read that before I got #50.



The "secret ingredient" of those issues was Mike DeCarlo's inking style. Compare the Giffen issues inked by DeCarlo to the ones inked by Al Gordon, and there's a world of difference. (Okay, maybe not the Magic Wars issues, but obviously no one was working on those under ideal conditions.)
I'll watch for that. It was Mike DeCarlo doing the finishes on Crisis #4 and that certainly gave it a distinctive look.
I'm actually planning to do a really long article on DeCarlo, and posting it in the Visonaries forum, about 10 weeks from now when he replaces Mahlstedt as the book's go-to inker. The gist of it is, yes, he may have been heavy-handed at times, yes, he imposed his style whether it was faithful to the pencils or not, *but* he gave the Baxter book *exactly* the kind of glossy, super-clean look that suited it best.
While I loved the Perez/ Giordano work on Crisis, I prefer DeCarlo to Ordway's look on the book. Both are really good but are both too strong when together.
LSH 15

This appears to be another in a long line of issues which are marking time, waiting for some major development/plotline to unfold. To be sure, the Legion was caught up in Crisis, so that event may impacted Levitz's plans. Still, after the long build-up to get to this point of the three Founders resigning and five new members joining, it's disappointing to read another inconsequential issue.

The brilliant Lightle cover gives us our five new recruits kidnapped in a fiery circle by Dr. Regulus. However, the newbies play only a small role in the story, so the cover feels like a bait-and-switch. Instead of Lightle's art gracing the interior, newcomer Greg LaRocque takes over. His art is competent and inspiring in some areas, but other images appear underdeveloped. It took me awhile to warm up to Lightle (or for the latter to find his style, perhaps); I suspect I'll feel the same about LaRocque.

The Wildfire opener is unnecessary, though it reveals that his powers change with every different containment suit he adopts. This may lead somewhere, but my initial reaction was that it was meant to explain why Drake could imitate the powers of several Legionnaires in his first appearance (Superboy 195), a power he never demonstrated afterwards. As with the offhand mention of Prof. Vultan, this feels like a reference to the Legion's past for no apparent reason. At the time, I loved such references. The idea that every story existed in a well-defined history where even minor stories/events could be mentioned as if they truly happened was enormously exciting to this trivia-minded fan. However, as I've alluded in other posts, too much trivia weighs a story down. One does not become a good writer because one knows all the minutiae of a character or imaginary world; one becomes a good writer by developing skills in plot, characterization, theme, and the ineffable "magic" that makes writing irresistible. Being a scholar of comics is a plus.

This isn't to say Levitz wasn't a good writer--he was and remained so even post Giffen. But I feel our Grand Legion Scribe has been coasting for awhile--not really challenging himself or the Legionnaires. The main plot of # 15 is standard fare that doesn't manage a shred of originality or surprise. This really struck me when thoth pointed out that the Legionnaires could have rounded up some space dragons from Imsk and had them distract the fire beings long enough to defeat Regulus. Instead, we get a Legion-centric solution of Dirk using his flight ring to catch the villain off-guard. Levitz's Legion can be very insular and self-referential--focusing on elements the reader and writer would already know rather than introducing a novel twist to the story.

These Regulus/Dirk vendettas get old. Regulus's first two appearances (Adv. 348 and Superboy 191) were the best, in my opinion--stories which exercised the characters' intelligence and the writer's imagination. Every Dr. R. appearance since then has been a waste of holo cells.

One area in which Levitz continues to excel, however, is in developing the heroes' interpersonal relationships and conflicts. Dirk and Gim continue their feud, building nicely off the "Triangle?" story. Jan and Thom both appear weary--weary of Nura and weary in general. Vi leaves us guessing as to why she's taken such an interest in Dirk. Her decision to break the Legion's promise and interfere with the fight reminded me of Ultra Boy's similar decision to break Invisible Kid's word back in Adv. 350-351. I don't know if this allusion was intentional, but, in a series that is becoming rife with references to the past, that's the first place my mind went.

Another aspect I enjoyed was the Rokk/Lydda scene. it was nice to see her response to the Subs' disbandment, which apparently happened while she was away and without her input. It was also good to see the playful side of her relationship with Rokk. I don't know about the crying, though--she never expressed discomfort around crowds before.

The Val/Sensei/Myg scene provides a satisfying closure and "What's next?" for the events of No. 13.

The issue ends with the obligatory Crisis tie-in. Brainy realizes it's the anniversary of Kara's death and prays that somehow her death won't come to pass. For this scene to work, it requires us to really suspend our disbelief on how time travel works. Querl must have known all along that Kara would die somehow a thousand years ago. Yet he fell in love with her anyway. A lot of great stories have been written about such impossible romances. I'm not sure Querl and Kara qualify, but I'm curious to see how this story plays out in No. 16. Can't say I remember it.

So, the "new era" of the Legion begins not with a bang or a whimper but with too many overt and covert nods to the past. At the time, I loved such references. Now, I've begun to understand that if one is always looking to the past, it's difficult to see what lies ahead.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
The space dragons are familiar creatures but used to good purpose here, giving Tasmia a chance to demonstrate very powerful shadow-casting, although it's clearly a strain on her. At least this can explain why she's the only one collapsing from dizziness when their ship is brought to the asteroid. It's not just a ploy to fall into Lar's arms, which worked so well way back in their Smallville adventure.


A missed opportunity here--so long as Levitz was going to include so many nods to the past--would have been to remind us that Shady weakens under bright lights. This weakness of hers from the Adventure days seems to have long since been forgotten.

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We get our first glimpse of Sensor Girl's powers; she can tell the heat of the asteroid is rising as Dirk and Regulus battle but no explanation of how she knows this is given.


Another possible clue is that she is apparently unable to break out of Regulus's ring of fire. However, since Mon-El, too, is affected by the flares, it's unclear how much this is intended to be a limitation on her powers.

Originally Posted by Annfie
However, at his best (and having glanced at the next few issues, I can say objectively that it's gonna take him a few months to return to the heights he soars to in this issue,) LaRocque brings what I consider a bracing combination of Marvel-style dynamics, an eye for the beauty of the human form, and fluid line-work whose looseness feels more often -- to me at least -- as being more sensuous than sloppy (again, a positive Marvel influence -- look at what the artistic team of John Buscema & Tom Palmer were doing contemporaneously over in Avengers, circa issues 257-264.) If there are Legion precedents for his style, they would be John Forte and Mike Grell (neither of them being everyone's cup of tea, although Forte has won a lot of converts, myself included, in the decades since his passing.)


I remain impressed by your ability to dissect and describe different art styles. I think you're right about the Marvel-style dynamics--and, if LaRocque could do all this while meeting tight deadlines, he was a formidable draftsman indeed.

Originally Posted by thoth

As he leaves with his new outfit, it seems that someone blasted their cruiser. SO, the team may have been taken by surprise. We also get a nod to a Legion archive being in tesseract. That could have spawned a back up story somewhere along the line.


You'd think Drake would take an extra suit on the cruiser--folded into an indestructible cannister--so he wouldn't have to travel all the way back to earth.

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I wonder why Myg has stayed with them. He hinted that he’s older than he appears, or has some other method of attaining a lifetime of skills. Would he be considered a failure if he returned? Has he automatically lost his place on Lythyl because he was kidnapped? I get the feeling there should be something more proactive form Myg.


There are a lot of wonderful and subtle hints in this scene. Myg doesn't fight the other two, nor is he restrained. He just calmly (respectfully?) waits by the ship while they pay their last respects. He seems to have accepted his fate.

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Dawny makes the point of reminding the reader about having to get into space before her powers work. Someone should have reminded Wolfman over in Crisis.


Never underestimate the potency of Plot Powers! smile

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It’s just a shame that he’s telling Lar this while we can clearly see him use his heat vision start an attack.


Having heard Regulus's threat after he had already engaged his heat vision, Mon switched the application to give the villain a suntan through his suit.

My man Mon--spa specialist!



Here's my "Comics Survey" Top 30 of July 23, 1985:

1. Dreadstar # 20 -- Marvel/Epic
2. West Coast Avengers # 2 -- Marvel
3. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 58 -- DC
4. Star Trek (Annual) # 1 -- DC
5. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 8 -- DC
6. Superman # 411 -- DC
7. Legion of Super-Heroes # 15 -- DC
8. New Teen Titans # 13 -- DC
9. Captain America # 310 -- Marvel
10. Squadron Supreme # 3 -- Marvel

11. Amazing Spider-Man # 270 -- Marvel
12. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 1 -- Marvel
13. Fury of Firestorm # 40 -- DC
14. Avengers # 261 -- Marvel
15. Blue Devil # 16 -- DC
16. Marvel Tales # 180 -- Marvel
17. Power Man & Iron Fist # 119 -- Marvel
18. Iron Man # 199 -- Marvel
19. Red Tornado # 4 -- DC
20. Justice League of America # 243 -- DC

21. Green Lantern # 192 -- DC
22. Avengers (Annual) # 14 -- Marvel
23. Star Trek # 19 -- DC
24. Legion of Super-Heroes (Annual) # 1 -- DC
25. Nexus # 14 -- First
26. New Defenders # 148 -- Marvel
27. Flash # 350 -- DC
28. All-Star Squadron # 49 -- DC
30. Fantastic Four # 282 -- Marvel
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
I remain impressed by your ability to dissect and describe different art styles. I think you're right about the Marvel-style dynamics--and, if LaRocque could do all this while meeting tight deadlines, he was a formidable draftsman indeed.


Thanks, He Who. Yeah, LaRocque's kinda like Mark Bagley (they are close in age, even though Bagley broke into the biz much later) in that their legendary speediness is actually beneficial to the final art. Their mutual influence, John Buscema (my favorite comic book artist of all time) was also gifted with both speed and strong draftsmanship...although, to look at some of the superhero stuff he cranked out in the 70s (especially in the second half of that decade, after barbarian books became his bread-and-butter gig) it's almost heartbreaking -- both he and his kid brother Sal did a lot of damage to their reputations during that time. It was actually Jim Shooter who gave them much better work & pay arrangements at the start of the 80s, so that they didn't have to churn out the pages anymore. So Shooter deserves thanks for that much.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Here's my "Comics Survey" Top 30 of July 23, 1985:

1. Dreadstar # 20 -- Marvel/Epic
2. West Coast Avengers # 2 -- Marvel
3. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 58 -- DC
4. Star Trek (Annual) # 1 -- DC
5. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 8 -- DC
6. Superman # 411 -- DC
7. Legion of Super-Heroes # 15 -- DC
8. New Teen Titans # 13 -- DC
9. Captain America # 310 -- Marvel
10. Squadron Supreme # 3 -- Marvel

11. Amazing Spider-Man # 270 -- Marvel
12. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 1 -- Marvel
13. Fury of Firestorm # 40 -- DC
14. Avengers # 261 -- Marvel
15. Blue Devil # 16 -- DC
16. Marvel Tales # 180 -- Marvel
17. Power Man & Iron Fist # 119 -- Marvel
18. Iron Man # 199 -- Marvel
19. Red Tornado # 4 -- DC
20. Justice League of America # 243 -- DC

21. Green Lantern # 192 -- DC
22. Avengers (Annual) # 14 -- Marvel
23. Star Trek # 19 -- DC
24. Legion of Super-Heroes (Annual) # 1 -- DC
25. Nexus # 14 -- First
26. New Defenders # 148 -- Marvel
27. Flash # 350 -- DC
28. All-Star Squadron # 49 -- DC
30. Fantastic Four # 282 -- Marvel


On Dreadstar -- the early years of that series are favorites of mine, too, especially the way Jim Starlin was liberated by not having to water down and/or dumb down his ideas the way he had to in his Marvel Universe work. And even though it got ugly and directionless for a while soon after changing publishers, I do love the Post-Starlin Peter David era.

On Star Trek Annual 1 -- I have that one in the original Best of Star Trek trade. Love that story, and the way Mike W. Barr & Dan Jurgens make the old "living nightmares" trope feel fresh and exciting.

On Cap and SqSup -- Given that you are an author and a teacher, I have to say I'm surprised to see you rate Mark Gruenwald books so high. I mean, the guy wrote dialogue that sounded -- to me, at least -- like he'd never had a conversation with another human being, and I think his technique was deficient in other salient areas too.

On Avengers -- I'm actually planning to review the trade which collects the space-opera storyline that ends with the issues listed above, in the Gy'mll's forum. Stay tuned.
Originally Posted by thoth lad

Elsewhere a field team of Salu, Dirk, Lar, Tasmia and Gim are activating a space beacon to attract the dragons of Imsk. We see Tasmia use her powers over a vast distance. It wears her out, but it’s the power levels she had shown back in the Silver Age, when all the female Legionnaires had their powers enhanced. We also learn that Dirk can’t adjust the wavelength of his powers, and its that which attracts the dragons.


This seems like an odd limitation on Dirk's powers. He's on or off, can adjust the strength of radiance but that's it?

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I wonder why Myg has stayed with them. He hinted that he’s older than he appears, or has some other method of attaining a lifetime of skills. Would he be considered a failure if he returned? Has he automatically lost his place on Lythyl because he was kidnapped? I get the feeling there should be something more proactive form Myg.


It could be explained by some Lythyl philosophy or customs. Sensei and Brin did defeat him, so proved they're stronger than him - so he submits. Or maybe he just wants to see somewhere else.

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Having seen what the flares did to Lar, it seems odd that the Legion cruiser would follow in after him. The same thing happens to them, and they’re not nearly as resilient. Lar rescues them before they crash. So, I’ll not expect any further criticism from them about being caught.


Hah! Vi just couldn't resist a dig at Brek regardless.

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Dawny makes the point of reminding the reader about having to get into space before her powers work. Someone should have reminded Wolfman over in Crisis.


Oops! smile

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Lar is the first to go into rescue the new recruits. There’s a few things to point out here.

There’s no information on how Regulus captured the first Legion cruiser. It seems they just happened to be in the area, and Regulus then used them as bait. But that could have been a very long wait for him.

Somehow Quislet knows that attacking will jeopardise the lives of the newbies. How does he know this? Is it due to his particular energy composition?

Regulus and Quislet are warning against Lar using his speed and other powers or the captives will die. But the art shows him doing exactly that as he’s being told.

The captive will die because the flame beings on the asteroid have developed technology to make it happen. Why would beings made of flame want such technology?

It’s just a shame that he’s telling Lar this while we can clearly see him use his heat vision start an attack.


Quintuple oops!

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Regulus’ plan is simply to have revenge on Dirk. He had no way of knowing that Dirk would turn up in the rescue party. Regulus made no demands that he should be there. Regulus is breathing fire. I wonder how close the bond is between him and the flame creatures. It’s something that isn’t explored.


It might have been enjoyable if the flame creatures had turned on Regulus.

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The Legion may have given their word, but Vi is willing to break that, marking quite a change in how the team operates. Note that Brek has recently said “You could bet your life on less,” when referring to the word of a Legionnaire. It notes a sharp difference of opinion between the idealist Brek’s view of the team and Vi’s battle hardened approach. The friction between these viewpoints would spread through much of the remainder of v3.


Duly noted.

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I would have thought some of the others would have come up with a plan B though. Even if they didn’t have to use it. Going by the rest of the plot this issue, it would have involved some Imskian dragons being diverted to the fiery planet, distracting the flame creatures enough for Dirk to use his powers.


Another interesting possibility.

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Another flaw is that Wildfire opens the issue. He’s on his way with a load of reinforcements. Yet we don’t see them again in the story. Those panels are basically wasted, plot wise unless the goal is to take nearly the whole team off the planet.


Agreed, we don't get much out of those pages.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders

At the time, I loved such references. The idea that every story existed in a well-defined history where even minor stories/events could be mentioned as if they truly happened was enormously exciting to this trivia-minded fan. However, as I've alluded in other posts, too much trivia weighs a story down. One does not become a good writer because one knows all the minutiae of a character or imaginary world; one becomes a good writer by developing skills in plot, characterization, theme, and the ineffable "magic" that makes writing irresistible. Being a scholar of comics is a plus.

This isn't to say Levitz wasn't a good writer--he was and remained so even post Giffen. But I feel our Grand Legion Scribe has been coasting for awhile--not really challenging himself or the Legionnaires. The main plot of # 15 is standard fare that doesn't manage a shred of originality or surprise. This really struck me when thoth pointed out that the Legionnaires could have rounded up some space dragons from Imsk and had them distract the fire beings long enough to defeat Regulus. Instead, we get a Legion-centric solution of Dirk using his flight ring to catch the villain off-guard. Levitz's Legion can be very insular and self-referential--focusing on elements the reader and writer would already know rather than introducing a novel twist to the story.


Good point, I was initially enthralled with the trivia and now see it as taking up space when overused. There's a balance between providing historical continuity and rehashing history. It can be a bit like starting the lecture over when somebody comes in late.

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One area in which Levitz continues to excel, however, is in developing the heroes' interpersonal relationships and conflicts. Dirk and Gim continue their feud, building nicely off the "Triangle?" story. Jan and Thom both appear weary--weary of Nura and weary in general. Vi leaves us guessing as to why she's taken such an interest in Dirk. Her decision to break the Legion's promise and interfere with the fight reminded me of Ultra Boy's similar decision to break Invisible Kid's word back in Adv. 350-351. I don't know if this allusion was intentional, but, in a series that is becoming rife with references to the past, that's the first place my mind went.


My mind didn't go there, but quite possibly that was intentional. Good memory HWW!

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Another aspect I enjoyed was the Rokk/Lydda scene. it was nice to see her response to the Subs' disbandment, which apparently happened while she was away and without her input. It was also good to see the playful side of her relationship with Rokk. I don't know about the crying, though--she never expressed discomfort around crowds before.


After reading your and Thoth's comments on theis scene, it occurs to me that she might have been shedding tears for the end of the Subs. It must have been emotional for her, even if she was moving on with her life. I thought it was the crowds, but it could have been end of an era sadness.

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So, the "new era" of the Legion begins not with a bang or a whimper but with too many overt and covert nods to the past. At the time, I loved such references. Now, I've begun to understand that if one is always looking to the past, it's difficult to see what lies ahead.


There's a French song from the 1970s with the line (Ceux qui regardent en arrière, ne voyent que de la poussière): Those who look behind, only see the dust. Which takes a lot longer to say in French....

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I remain impressed by your ability to dissect and describe different art styles. I think you're right about the Marvel-style dynamics--and, if LaRocque could do all this while meeting tight deadlines, he was a formidable draftsman indeed.


Ditto! I'm too artless for that conversation, though.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand


On Dreadstar -- the early years of that series are favorites of mine, too, especially the way Jim Starlin was liberated by not having to water down and/or dumb down his ideas the way he had to in his Marvel Universe work. And even though it got ugly and directionless for a while soon after changing publishers, I do love the Post-Starlin Peter David era.


Dreadstar remained a favorite of mine throughout its run, although it was uneven at times. I agree that the early years were the best.

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On Cap and SqSup -- Given that you are an author and a teacher, I have to say I'm surprised to see you rate Mark Gruenwald books so high. I mean, the guy wrote dialogue that sounded -- to me, at least -- like he'd never had a conversation with another human being, and I think his technique was deficient in other salient areas too.


Well, I wasn't a teacher and was barely an author then. wink

I suspect my views on a lot of these issues would change if I were to re-read them now, as my thoughts on the Legion stories have changed. What I remember of Squadron Supreme is that it took chances that seemed novel, fresh, and risky for super-heroes at the time. In some ways, Squadron Supreme was a precursor to Watchmen. I don't remember the Captain America issue.

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
Well, I wasn't a teacher and was barely an author then. wink


*Gulp*

(I'm not embarrassed, not embarrassed at all.) blush

(Actually, I went very quickly from embarrassment to amusement at my own cluelessness.) lol


Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
I suspect my views on a lot of these issues would change if I were to re-read them now, as my thoughts on the Legion stories have changed. What I remember of Squadron Supreme is that it took chances that seemed novel, fresh, and risky for super-heroes at the time. In some ways, Squadron Supreme was a precursor to Watchmen. I don't remember the Captain America issue.


That is very true about SqSup preceding many of Watchmen's themes. And, arguably, it holds up a little better than Watchmen thanks to its lack of pretentiousness. That might sound a bit harsh, but I really have soured on Watchmen in recent years -- it's one of the very few times I've ever felt that Alan Moore was writing down to his readers, rather than engaging them as equals like he usually does.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Ditto! I'm too artless for that conversation, though.


Thanks for your kind support, Cramey. hug

And while I may be great at talking artwork styles, I am also a sci-fi fan who knows zilch about hard science. Whenever Legion Worlders start discussing fictional science's plausibility, or lack thereof, I'm always like, "I got nothin'." LOL lol
LSH 15

This was a snoozer, at least for me. Looking back, I always seem to forget this issue with my mind going straight from the induction of the new members to their "baptism" next issue. There's nothing really wrong with the issue but it just doesn't seem to serve much purpose. reading through the comments above has given me a few new things to reflect on.

Some bits of the art are terrific, including the page where Mon-El is grabbed, while other bits, particularly faces, are a bit weird. I wonder if starting a new artist they decided to use a less significant story to begin.

I agree with HWW that Dr Regulus has been used better. The Superboy #191 story is the one I always remember. I wonder is it significant that the LSV apparently never recruited him? Sure they already had a similar power set with Sun Emperor but the vendetta Dr Reg has for Sun Boy is not dissimilar to those held by other LSV members e.g. Lightning Lord, Micro Lad. Every time we see him revenge seems to be the only thing on his mind, yet we know from his backstory that his work on radioactive gold was intended to provide him with wealth and power. Let's also keep in mind that the LSV recruited such power houses as Ron Karr.

The side plots and character moments don't do much to advance their individual storylines but I suppose there are some elements that have meaning in hindsight.

Wildfire's comment about his suits seems just to be about why he never demonstrates the powers he did at his first audition, but it's a pity that nothing more seems to be made of his suits giving different powers (although I do like how it allows the artists to keep subtly modifying his look).

Nice to see the link to the old dragons of Imsk story but I am surprised at the strength of Shadow Lass's power - can it really block out a sun, or is she just darkening a portion of the sky? Also Sun Boy can shoot out solar flares and radiate heat and light himself but I'm not sure he can be as directional as shown here. Having him someway ahead of the ship attracting the dragons might have worked better.

I hadn't thought of Dirk and Gim's words reflecting tension from the incident with Gigi. Good thought. Same for Thom and E-lad.

The scene on Shanghalla was intended to have future consequences with Myg but from memory they don't play out much. The most we get of his motivations is from Who's Who where the description says:
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When he awoke and realised that they were no longer on Lythyl, he maintained a curious silence until the three stopped at Karate Kid's memorial on Shanghalla. Awed that a man with similar skills could command such respect even after death, Myg vowed to follow in the path of this Karate Kid, taking his name and asking to be enrolled in the Legion Academy. While Myg's skills need no polishing, his haughty attitude has kept him from becoming a full legionnaire thus far.While the other Academy students study combat, Myg studies gentler arts such as those practiced by the original Karate Kid, constantly striving to prove himself even better than his predecessor.


The Rokk/Lydda interlude shows that the Subs really have completely disbanded, even to getting rid of their clubhouse, so finishes that "plot" from Polar Boy's off-hand remark, and also continues the holiday plot. This will become VERY significant in a while (over a year actually - long vacation) but really does nothing here.

The battle with Sun Boy goes over 4 pages - very surprising. It feels so underwhelming that I thought it was even shorter.

I hadn't connected Vi's dash to help with her apparent flirtation with Sun Boy recently. The one episode it did remind me of, at least the holding back bit, was back in LSH v2 #197 when some legionnaires were held back from interfering with Cosmic Boy's attack on the creeps that fireballed his family. Interestingly it was Sun Boy that held the others back. the two incidents are not the same, this case being staying out of a battle brought on by the bad guy and the previous being maybe precenting a colleague from making a tragic mistake, but Sun Boy's involvement both times may reflect a tendency by him to support independent action. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Probably.

The final side plot of Brainiac 5 is to me the most important. While falling into the frequent writer's time travel trap of time moving constantly in the past and the future, it sets up what I found to be a very well written piece in the following issue. I much prefer the characterisation of Brainy here and than how he is portrayed in the future - cold and arrogant - based on Giffen's portayal of his ancestor in L.E.G.I.O.N. Brainy has always had elements of talking down to his teammates but that was always tempered by his very real emotional connection to them. This is a good way to end the issue.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
Wildfire gripes about the "brats" but it appears he defended them when explaining the situation to Jan.


Good to see that Drake has his private and public outbursts.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Since Regulus managed to ambush the more experienced Legionnaires as well, we can excuse the newbies for falling into the trap.


Sure, but I’d still have rather had their first mission feature them a bit more positively.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Doctor Regulus is not one of my favourite villains, by far. He might be more suited to comic relief in a Giffen spoof. Is this his fourth attempt to bring down Dirk Morgna? He lacks the intensity of Mekt Ranzz and strikes me as more petulant than threatening.


I quite liked his pact with the flame creatures this time. Even if we have no idea how that came about. His obsession beaten again, where to now for Regulus? I think it’s full blown revenge/insanity in Black Dawn.

Originally Posted by Cramer
I have to wonder what Regulus thought the end-game would be if he defeated Dirk. Would a whole team of Legionnaires (with more on the way) not have been able to subdue and capture him had Dirk been killed?


Stepped back into the flames as the flame creatures distracted/ defended their home. The legion code would prevent the Legion from destroying the place, allowing Regulus to try and get away. Against Lar and Sensor Girl, he has little chance and, considering his victory. I don’t think he’d mind being caught.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The idea of an enemy so focused on one person that he abandons the chance to gain serious villain cred by killing a group of Legionnaires has a lot of potential, but Regulus comes across more as a showoff than a vengeance-seeker. Ego meets ego. Perhaps that radioactive gold has been rotting his brain.


Was it v4 that made me think that loss of status to lab assistant Dirk sparked him off in the first place. I still think Dirk may have had some (but not most) responsibility for what happened.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Each new containment suit gives Wildfire slightly different powers? That's a new one and looks like a set-up for playing around with the character's power set in future stories. It doesn't really make sense that the containment suit specs would vary to that degree - and Wildfire hasn't been pulling rabbits out of hats lately, so I don't see the need for this explanation, except as a basis for surprises yet to come.


I think with scenes like this Levitz has plotted that the new Legionnaires are the off panel focus for the start of this story. It keeps the theme from the last issue. He’s chosen to make it a Sun Boy vs Regulus story, so he has the newbies get captured. To make that seem less of a foul up, and to follow through with Drake’s position, he has Wildfire caught too. Now he has to give Wildfire something to do, as soon as he’s decided to make Drake the opening point of the story. That plotting logic is also responsible for why Drake vanishes half way through the issue. His purpose for the plot was only for the opening scenes. So I think Drake’s costume dialogue was done at the end of the planning process, to give him something to do while he got back to raise the alarm.
I know HWW thought this nod to Legion history was a bit pointless, and it really was, but more because it was an addition to a scene that didn’t have a pay off, and was added because there had to be something for his to do, than for the nod in itself.

Originally Posted by Cramer
It's not just a ploy to fall into Lar's arms, which worked so well way back in their Smallville adventure.


It’s probably because I read it in a companion, but Levitz described Tasmia as just the sort of person to do this sort of thing. I think there’s a bit of both going on here.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Another fainting damsel, with no excuse, is Lydda: is she agoraphobic? Reduced to tears in a crowd! She claims the Subs "folded" on her. Without Brek, the group must have been unwilling to continue, which puts their dedication or abilities into question. Lydda might well have been capable of leading them herself, but she's more interested in trailing after Rokk at this point.


I sued to have a misconception that the Subs were always unheralded underdogs. So when Lydda was spooked by the crowd, I thought that the Subs weren’t used to having such adulation. But they’d had parades and lots of success, including offers of Legion membership for Stone Boy, by that point.

With the perception that the Legion don’t want them, having your own leader walk away was probably seen to be a death blow to the team’s confidence. Again, that’s misplaced due to the successes they’ve had.

Originally Posted by Cramer
After reading your and Thoth's comments on this scene, it occurs to me that she might have been shedding tears for the end of the Subs. It must have been emotional for her, even if she was moving on with her life. I thought it was the crowds, but it could have been end of an era sadness.


That makes lots of sense. Stile86 mentions the closing of the Subs clubhouse too.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Computo continues to screw up, mistaking a disembodied Wildfire for an intruder, and leaving the door open for problems in the future.

Good spot again on the continuing major domo issues.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Vi and Dirk have gotten a little chummier, she saying that he would be wasted steering dragons away. She's the only one who tries to intervene in his battle with Regulus. This could be a result of their recent (possible) closeness, or her awareness of what it was like to be abandoned by your friends (even if they didn't realize she had been kidnapped). She's sharp-tongued with the new kids, though, saying they were easily caught by Regulus although she herself saw how powerful the flare-creatures were.


Good shout on Vi’s sense of abandonment Cramer. That makes a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The disagreements over new members continue, even now that the five have been accepted. Gim and Tasmia are critical; Dirk thinks the newbies should just jump in. One does have to question, at least in retrospect, why all five would be sent together on a training mission instead of splitting them up to work with experienced Legionnaires.


I was thinking along those lines too. But we’re never given any details of what their mission actually was. Drake could have just been showing them the cruiser controls for all we ‘re given. Something else else very simple, before they go off to shadow other members (as opposed to Tasmia Shadowing them smile ).

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brainy mulls over the death of Supergirl and hopes it doesn't happen. This sort of wishful thinking wouldn't make sense for him but one might accept it as his honest emotion overcoming logic. Looking back, however, it's another clue that Sensor Girl might be Kara.


Yes, that’s another good point with both plot strands being close together in the issue.

Originally Posted by Cramer
This seems like an odd limitation on Dirk's powers. He's on or off, can adjust the strength of radiance but that's it?


Considering he started out as Lightbulb Lad, projecting heat is progress! smile

Originally Posted by Anne Hebistand
More than anything, when LaRocque was really cooking, he provided a welcome infusion of *energy!* A level of energy I haven't seen on the Legion since...maybe as far back as the Omega Saga! And I believe that is because, unlike Lightle or Giffen, LaRocque was a fast worker who did not over-think his drawings. There is a genuine kinesthetic quality to LaRocque's art which, to my mind, made him perhaps better suited for Flash (which he would draw for over 5 consecutive years) than for the Legion. But I would also argue that LaRocque took over the Legion at a perfect time. With Lightle being a meticulous perfectionist, and Giffen being Giffen, the Legion's book had, by this point, fallen so far behind schedule that it was almost absurd. I assert, *needed* a pedal-to-the-metal, no-nonsense professional at this moment, if only to get itself back on track, and, yes, back to basics.


Thanks for that Anne. I’ll try and look at the art taking this into account.

Originally Posted by Anne Hebistand
And I'll just bet the ladies of the Legion have been circulating that device since the Cockrum era -- that'd explain why most of them suddenly grew their hair much longer.

V4 would certainly have got off to a much lighter start if we first met Dirk taking one of those devices off his head, and showing off his longer locks. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
The brilliant Lightle cover gives us our five new recruits kidnapped in a fiery circle by Dr. Regulus. However, the newbies play only a small role in the story, so the cover feels like a bait-and-switch. Instead of Lightle's art gracing the interior, newcomer Greg LaRocque takes over. His art is competent and inspiring in some areas, but other images appear underdeveloped. It took me awhile to warm up to Lightle (or for the latter to find his style, perhaps); I suspect I'll feel the same about LaRocque.


That’s a fair point. The subplots had certainly been building up to all-new membership. The next logical step would have been to show them off a bit. I’d caution that with not wanting the new members to outshine the old ones though. Levitz would later fall into panel hog, if not Mary Sue, territory with a couple of them.


Originally Posted by HWW
Dirk and Gim continue their feud, building nicely off the "Triangle?" story.


Thanks. I’d missed that.

Originally Posted by HWW
Her decision to break the Legion's promise and interfere with the fight reminded me of Ultra Boy's similar decision to break Invisible Kid's word back in Adv. 350-351. I don't know if this allusion was intentional, but, in a series that is becoming rife with references to the past, that's the first place my mind went.


I missed that too. – Aimless Lad. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
The issue ends with the obligatory Crisis tie-in. Brainy realizes it's the anniversary of Kara's death and prays that somehow her death won't come to pass. For this scene to work, it requires us to really suspend our disbelief on how time travel works. Querl must have known all along that Kara would die somehow a thousand years ago. Yet he fell in love with her anyway. A lot of great stories have been written about such impossible romances. I'm not sure Querl and Kara qualify, but I'm curious to see how this story plays out in No. 16. Can't say I remember it.

Brainy’s knowledge of what should be happening is going to be interesting th chart in the next few issues as the Crisis unfolds.

Originally Posted by HWW
You'd think Drake would take an extra suit on the cruiser--folded into an indestructible cannister--so he wouldn't have to travel all the way back to earth.


Do they finally remember to do this later on? I remember someone wolf whistling as he goes into it? Brin would be the best choice for anything wolf-like smile

Originally Posted by HWW
There are a lot of wonderful and subtle hints in this scene. Myg doesn't fight the other two, nor is he restrained. He just calmly (respectfully?) waits by the ship while they pay their last respects. He seems to have accepted his fate.


I generally think of characters being shown who just stand there doing nothing as wallpaper. smile

Originally Posted by Stile86
The scene on Shanghalla was intended to have future consequences with Myg but from memory they don't play out much. The most we get of his motivations is from Who's Who where the description says:…


But respectful distance as he learns of a legacy he might adopt certainly works a lot better. Thanks Stile86.

Originally Posted by Stile86
The Superboy #191 story is the one I always remember. I wonder is it significant that the LSV apparently never recruited him? Sure they already had a similar power set with Sun Emperor but the vendetta Dr Reg has for Sun Boy is not dissimilar to those held by other LSV members e.g. Lightning Lord, Micro Lad. Every time we see him revenge seems to be the only thing on his mind, yet we know from his backstory that his work on radioactive gold was intended to provide him with wealth and power. Let's also keep in mind that the LSV recruited such power houses as Ron Karr.


I think the Baxter arc had Lightning Lord allow his obsession to be governed by the storms he thought he spoke to. A Lost Legion version could easily have had Doctor Regulus stand in front of a fire pit on Orando as he spoke to the flames.

Originally Posted by Stile 86
The side plots and character moments don't do much to advance their individual storylines but I suppose there are some elements that have meaning in hindsight.

Yeah, I think there’s general agreement that they don’t really add enough momentum to the issues.
Li’l thoth in Elsenwhen

Crisis #7 is the big one this month for Legion fans, prefigured by Brainy’s comments at the end of #15.

Kara would also guest star in DC Comics #86 this month. She faces Blackstarr, who helps hold back the Crisis a bit. She’s very powerful. There’s a reprise of the meeting with Barbara Gordon and she disappointingly has a feeling of foreboding throughout, because some writers just can’t help themselves when it comes to foreshadowing. It’s written by the Kupperberg who wrote her recently cancelled ongoing.

Kupperberg gives an unusual twist to the end of his Vigilante story in #22. Rather than your traditional Adrian vs new Vigilante face off, Adrian instead meets with someone he cares for and shares his secrets.

Cary Bates can’t help himself when it comes to Foreshadowing either. The Flash is cleared and he ends up in the 30th century with Iris. She’s in a new body and Barry has recently hade his face completely altered. A fair number of the cast seem to know what’s going to happen to him next month in Crisis #8.

Bates has written some of my favourite Superman stories (Sure, I’ve not read lots of Superman stories, but they’d have to be really good to match some of his.) The cover of #412 has him kill an armoured Lex Luthor, and it continues on from the plot that saw Kent fired last issue.

With Flash cancelled, two of the rogues waste no time in making their way to Gotham in Batman 388 and Detective 555.

With Kara and Crisis #7 being the big thing, DC Comics Presents annual 4 is less well known. It has Ordway art and concerns Superwoman, who I doubt we’ll be seeing more of either, despite the time travel aspects (2865) of the story.

The end of Blue Devil #17 ties into Devil going to the JLA Satellite in Crisis #8 with John Stewart. Two characters that would have been JLAers had it not been for JLD.

Green Lantern #193 has John Stewart feel as though he’s becoming proficient at being a Lantern. It foreshadows Mosaic and links in with the Guardians being put out of commission in early issues of Crisis.

The rather dull Neutron makes the Fearsome Five a Six in Tales of the Titans #58. It’s also the issue Psimon gets nabbed for the start of Crisis. Neutron’s powers are a bit like Wildfire’s in places.
The JLA defeat Amazo in #243, but Aquaman resigns. That could have been an opportunity to revitalise the League with Crisis, but it wasn’t taken. Editor Andy Helfer wasn’t far away with coming up with something different though. The end of this leads into the Crisis crossover in Infinity #19. I didn’t get this one for a long time after the event. But it was still disheartening to see the JLD beaten so very easily by a team with the power levels of the old Leaguers.

Another one I’d not read until later was Titans #13 where Cyborg is recruited for Crisis. You could tell Wolfman was busy with the maxi series, as this is a sweeping tale of other events. The subplots are decent though.

Harbinger’s appearance in All Star Squadron #50 sends the JSA rockets into other dimensions, moves Commander Steel across to Earth-1 and other continuity changes as she recruits Firebrand. Uncle Sam takes a horde of characters across to Earth-X, from The Jester to the Blackhawks. Using Harbinger for the rocket direction changes to fit them in with Golden Age stories gets a round of applause.

Red Tornado embraces his new humanity in #4 of his mini, even though it’s been undercut by events in Crisis.

Firestorm graduates, and there’s more on him picking up the Prof’s intelligence. BatO #26 with Davis art heats up as they battle Kobra. World’s Finest has a character called REM who looks very much like an early version of Quentin Quire. It’s also an issue that has to slap a “this occurred before Crisis” label on it, as The Monitor is behind the scenes.

Sgt Rock #405 has the much-advertised Angels with Black Wings story in it. Race is also an issue in Swamp Thing #41 as temporal disturbances take control of a modern film cast.
Finally Who’s Who #8 gives us the Fatal Five, Ferro Lad, Fire Lad and Flash. It also shows Firehawk in her new costume before the Crisis reveal, and has the cover to Crisis #7 on the inside back cover.

On HWW's Comics Survey –

I picked up only a couple of pre-Byrne West Coast Avengers and neither the art or plot did much for me. The idea of Avengers franchises was really good though. TSR released a couple of excellent supplements that used that as a hook for the players.

I’d heard lots of positive things about Squadron Supreme before I ever read it. Back issues for it were a little tough to get locally, and I had three issues for a long time. It was only later that I heard it being used in contrast to Watchmen. I think that was desperate marketing, and not really fair on it.

I think the scope of the plot and the major points were a lot better than the detail. But the goal was to take characters from their very super hero world and push them into dealing with some broader issues. Watchmen took a more realistic world and dropped some tailored characters into it. Even then, Watchmen has the conceit that crimefighters were active and successful for a time, with abilities that looked to be that bit better than even well-trained people.

Looking back, I think Firestorm, Green Lantern and All-Star Squadron had seen better days. GL would get revamped around 200; All Star wouldn’t last too much longer, late 50s or early ‘60s, and Firestorm would get revamped around 63.

I had read a little of Iron Man when I was much younger, but I think the #200 was my first regular US comic of it. Quick check – Yup.
Originally Posted by thoth
I think with scenes like this Levitz has plotted that the new Legionnaires are the off panel focus for the start of this story. It keeps the theme from the last issue. He’s chosen to make it a Sun Boy vs Regulus story, so he has the newbies get captured. To make that seem less of a foul up, and to follow through with Drake’s position, he has Wildfire caught too. Now he has to give Wildfire something to do, as soon as he’s decided to make Drake the opening point of the story. That plotting logic is also responsible for why Drake vanishes half way through the issue. His purpose for the plot was only for the opening scenes. So I think Drake’s costume dialogue was done at the end of the planning process, to give him something to do while he got back to raise the alarm.
I know HWW thought this nod to Legion history was a bit pointless, and it really was, but more because it was an addition to a scene that didn’t have a pay off, and was added because there had to be something for his to do, than for the nod in itself.


This is a good hypothesis of the choices Levitz likely made while writing the story. However, it also illustrates that if the writer has to give a character something to do, perhaps that character shouldn't be in the story.

Let's see if we can use Occam's Razor to slice through some of these convolutions:

If the story is meant to be a Dirk versus Regulus fight, let's open with the five new recruits on a training exercise. Wildfire might be the one leading them, or it could be someone else. However, this is a good chance for us to get to see each of the five recruits in mock battle, to get a sense of their personalities, and to watch them develop relationships. Then they get ambushed by fire beings. Wildfire or whoever gets captured along with the newbies, establishing that our mysterious foe is formidable indeed. Someone (Tellus using his telekinesis, perhaps?) manages to use the ship's radio to alert Legion HQ just before the ship is destroyed. Receiving the message, Element Lad contacts Sun Boy and his team. We can shorten the Imsk/space dragons scene since it leads nowhere, and the rest of the story proceeds as written.

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I generally think of characters being shown who just stand there doing nothing as wallpaper. smile


Perhaps, but a lot depends on context. Given that Myg was kidnapped from the only home he's ever known and that personal combat was a way of life there, I think "doing nothing" says something about his state of mind. Levitz was a subtle enough writer that I can imagine's that's what he was thinking--which is also supported by the Who's Who entry.

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I picked up only a couple of pre-Byrne West Coast Avengers and neither the art or plot did much for me. The idea of Avengers franchises was really good though. TSR released a couple of excellent supplements that used that as a hook for the players.


I actually liked the pre-Byrne run better. Most or all of it was written by Steve Englehart, who was one of my formative comics writers (he wrote The Avengers, The Defenders, and Captain America when I was just discovering comics). I remember a convoluted-but-still-easy-to-follow time travel story in the 20s, and Hawkeye finally getting a chance to grow as leader.The series seemed like a logical outrgrowth/evolution for many long-time Avengers, including Hank Pym and Wonder Man.

I agree about the art, though. Don Perlin, right? A stalwart artist but hardly inspiring.

Once Byrne arrived, he destroyed the Vision and Wanda's relationship and family and pretty much destroyed Vision as a character, setting their character development back by more than a decade.

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Looking back, I think Firestorm, Green Lantern and All-Star Squadron had seen better days.


I agree, though I remember nothing from the issue numbers alone. My overall memory is that a lot of long-time series were struggling to remain fresh and innovative.
Originally Posted by HWW
However, it also illustrates that if the writer has to give a character something to do, perhaps that character shouldn't be in the story.


Or he could stand quietly in the background and learn a new course in their lives. smile

Thanks for your revised plot breakdown. It makes sense, as per recent plots, that Wildfire lead the team of new recruits. Getting to see them in action, (personal preference would be a light mission, rather than training. But no zoo animals! smile ) would have also followed directly from last issue. That they are captured gives them a chance to shine, without getting carried away with them.
While I don’t mind Wildfire getting the splash page, and an immediate look at the danger in the issue, I did wonder just how quickly that energy blob could travel. Erg-1 took a while to come back after all.

One possible downside in hindsight to that would be Levitz showing Sensor Girl too closely to Supergirl for comfort. It could all later be established as illusion I suppose.
There’s four pages of Wildfire returning to his suit and Element Lad/ Thom and Nura that could be dropped/ incorporated elsewhere to free up space. I agree that the Imsk sequence could be shortened. It’s 2/4/5 on the panel count, which isn’t a lot.

Originally Posted by HWW
Perhaps, but a lot depends on context. Given that Myg was kidnapped from the only home he's ever known and that personal combat was a way of life there, I think "doing nothing" says something about his state of mind. Levitz was a subtle enough writer that I can imagine's that's what he was thinking--which is also supported by the Who's Who entry.

I happily conceded to Stile86’s view on that one just a bit further down tongue

Originally Posted by HWW
I actually liked the pre-Byrne run better. Most or all of it was written by Steve Englehart, who was one of my formative comics writers (he wrote The Avengers, The Defenders, and Captain America when I was just discovering comics). I remember a convoluted-but-still-easy-to-follow time travel story in the 20s, and Hawkeye finally getting a chance to grow as leader.The series seemed like a logical outrgrowth/evolution for many long-time Avengers, including Hank Pym and Wonder Man.


I don’t really have enough of the early issue to give a balanced view on that one. I might have read some of the mini that got them started (if it was a mini). I did read one of the time travel/ Western ones. My only memory was of Hawkeye blaming Mockingbird for something, that seemed very unfair.

Originally Posted by HWW
I agree about the art, though. Don Perlin, right? A stalwart artist but hardly inspiring.


Considering the artists I’ve reassessed over the years, I could well love his stuff now. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Once Byrne arrived, he destroyed the Vision and Wanda's relationship and family and pretty much destroyed Vision as a character, setting their character development back by more than a decade.


I’ve really dropped in on the Avengers in phases and generally big artist ones. So, Perez and Byrne. As I found in Fickles’ rereads, there’s a lot of love for all the eras, and characters, in between.
So while I enjoyed the deconstruction of the Vision and Byrne making the West Coast team more effective looking that the East one, it’s not an opinion that saw all of the events leading up to those changes. All I saw was a comment that the Vision had tried to take over the world and this was a way of ensuring that it didn’t happen again.
quote=thoth]I happily conceded to Stile86’s view on that one just a bit further down tongue[/quote]

I saw that; I just felt Myg's actions were worth exploring more since we know so little about him. Sorry if I gave the impression I was ignoring your comment.
Not at all. I was just teasing. I'll put an extra tongue on it in future. smile
Then I'll think you're really pissed. wink smile
I didn't want our descendants reading the Legion World Omniarchives and thinking "By Mordru's Beard, thoth lad just didn't get Myg at all did he? What a numpty." Especially as, in that time, NBoot Myg will be starring in numerous immersive holos every day.
LSH Annual 1985 "Who Shot Laurel Kent?" or "Revenge Is A Dish Best Served Cold" by Paul Levitz, art by Keith Giffen & Karl Kessel, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Five Legionnaires - Brainy, Gim, Vi, Cham and new kid Pol - remain at HQ and they're bored, playing cards, watching "The Colonizers". The others have been called to watch over SP prisoner transfers on Takron-Galtos. When Brainy asks for a case to work on, Pol proposes the shooting of Laurel Kent.

Gim and Pol go to question Laurel and annoy her; she leaves to go shopping and they tail her, disguised. They see someone else tailing her, who turns out to be Dvron, still on the case. Dvron tells them that he couldn't find a trace of a kryptonite weapon anwhere "this side of Thanagar", so Gim and Pol leave for Thanagar, joined by Cham. The curator of the Science Police Museum tells them about the theft of a weapon ,which could fire kryptonite bullets, during which two Hawkmen were murdered and another was left alive.

Meanwhile, Violet is following a hunch, investigating the murder of the private eye descendant of Batman on Winath. She examines his office, and is surprised by two SP officers. Once they see she's a Legionnaire, they leave. Then the P.I.'s desk controller explodes; Vi survives by shrinking.

The group returns to Legion HQ, along with Dvron and Laurel. Brainy holds court, announces that the next murder attempt will take place in a few minutes outside their building and assures everyone that he has the situation under control. The tour bus of Oli Queen explodes, but everyone has been protected by Brainy's forcefield.

Brainy has identified two other potential victims; the Legionnaires go to the apartment of Don & Dawn Allen. The lights go out and a giant form appears, takes down the two SP guards and goes for the Allens. Violet grabs the twins and flies them out of danger. The attacking form is a robot; Cham turns into a sheet of metal and hides on its form but is dislodged as the robot flies skywards.

The team tracks the robot to a North Pole cold sleep facility. Brainy unravels the mystery, explains that all the attacked people were descendants of the Justice League. The killer was an enemy of the JLA who chose cryogenic preservation; he got thawed out to age a few days during certain lunar phases to avoid side effects of frozen sleep. It was during these periods that the attacks occurred. The robot suddenly attacks the Legionnaires and Pol magnetically pulls it to pieces. The Legionnaires reflect on hating an enemy for a thousand years.

Comments: This was the first time I fully read this story. Something else else always put me off, whether a lack of interest in Laurel Kent, the artwork or the somewhat convoluted tale. There are a few good typical Brainy moments and Vi shows herself to be quite the powerhouse (lifting two Allens at once?) but generally, the mystery falls flat.

The solution is pulled out of a hat. There's no clue that it was a robot, or that the attacks coincided with particular phases of the moon. If this guy has been going after JLA descendants, did he kill Laurel's father? What about that private eye Wayne descendant - did he become a detective because his family was bumped off, but he just never solved the case?

Laurel Kent is oddly disinterested in the attempt on her own life. It doesn't make sense - for now. It just seems out of place; the attitude could have been rationalized by the Legionnaires - "she's bothered, but doesn't want to face it, so she goes shopping" sort of thing.

It's Pol's first big case - his idea and, although he bumbles through the detection, he gets the bad robot in the end and possibly saves his teammates. Nevertheless, he doesn't even make it to the cover and the ending in which he is congratulated by Gim is tepid. Rather like Pol himself. Perhaps that was the point.

Good bits: we got to see more of the 30th century - Montauk, Greater Quebec, Thanagar, a bit of Winath, Pol's disguise as a Purple Eyestalk Guy, a reference to cryogenics and its problems.

The different inkers produce very different effects for each chapter. Was that crosshatch thing in the Colon ink something he used often? I found my attention was distracted by the art, especially when it was more abstract. The whole thing had a sort of weird dream vibe. Maybe it was just Magnetic Kid's dream.

On the robot's chest, JLA symbols are crossed out for those it has killed. There are three, but wasn't it only the Batman and Hawkman descendents killed? Who's the third? The symbols aren't clear.

(When I type these double titles ("Who Shot Laurel Kent" or "Revenge Is A Dish Best Served Cold"), I hear the voice of the Rocky and Bullwinkle narrator, William Conrad. Makes me smile.)
LSH Baxter Annual # 1

The good news is that this annual isn’t as bad as I remembered. The bad news is that it can’t make up its mind whether to be a murder mystery or a humor piece.

However, there is a lot to love: the involvement of JLA descendants, the use of the staple sci fi plot of cryogenic sleep, and the unorthodox manner of kicking off this annual series not with a major event or a wedding, but with a “small” story involving just five Legionnaires. These aspects more or less balance out the significant weaknesses FC pointed out.

This story is also one of the Legion’s last great nods to the Silver Age since it relies on the assumption that Superman, Batman, and other JLA members would eventually marry and have offspring. After Crisis, DC thought it more appealing to have our heroes live utterly in the moment without nods or hints to some positive future for them (unlike, say, utterly grim future of Kingdom Come). As such, this story represents the last of a dying breed of comics that could be fun because of the expectation that the future (the JLA’s and the Legion’s) would get better.

Nowhere is this expectation more apparent than in the intro, when our heroes undertake the case simply because they are bored. In my childhood and teen years, when I fancied myself a member of a present-day Legion, I imagined us taking on cases such as the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot because . . . well, just because.

It’s mildly annoying that the Legion regards the attempted murder of one of its own cadets as a problem beneath its notice until they have nothing better to do. However, such high-minded arrogance is consistent with people who barge into buildings and melt walls without concern for property damage.

We also learn that Laurel is about to leave the academy since she failed to achieve Legion membership. The Legion treats its cadets only as a means to an end (e.g., developing future Legionnaires)—no wonder she wants to keep Gim and Pol at a distance. Does the Legion Academy even have a career counseling service for those who don’t make it to the Big Team?

So, I imagine this story was envisioned as a light-hearted romp to break the tension of other recent stories. It would work as a romp except that Levitz and/or Giffen’s attempts at humor come across as forced and silly. The extreme close-up of Brainy’s mouth on Page 3 sets a surreal tone, and when Gim tries to play the hardboiled cop with Laurel (p. 5), it made me question why these guys would be allowed to solve a crossword puzzle, let alone a shooting.

However, Annual 1 entertains on a number of levels. I started to get into it (finally) with the chapter set on Thanager, when Cham takes the center stage. Whatever his past relationship with Gym’ll lookalike Kw’ss has been, it’s clear he and Cham don’t much like each other and are being overly polite. Kw’ss gives the team information, including the trope of a narrating a recently unsolved case that ties into the one investigated by the Legionnaires. Then Cham departs, leaving the fuming Kw’ss and his fellow Legionnaires in the dark about what he’s deduced.

The Vi chapter is also well done—a solo spotlight that highlights the effectiveness of her shrinking power as well as her abrasive attitude. It's fitting that she works alone because I imagine most other Legionnaires don't want to be around her these days. smile On the plus side, it's good see the once shy Vi exude confidence and competence.

In Chapter 5, everyone gathers at Legion HQ, where Brainiac 5 teases and taunts over what he’s figured out. While the other Legionnaires frantically worry about saving lives, Querl sits in front of the monitor board and drinks his kono juice, dolling out information in dribs and drabs as another attempted murder happens right before his colleagues’ disbelieving eyes. But Querl has taken precautions, you see.

Then we get a scene with the final would-be victims. Even though I read this story when it came out, I had completely forgotten about the inclusion of Dawn and Don Allen, The Flash’s descendants—and I was just as surprised to see them as I must have been back then. It’s so obvious, it made me slap myself in the head (never a pleasant thing to do). At the time, I was probably disappointed that the Allens had so little to do in the story, but now I see the logic of simply using them as minor characters. I do question why an obviously grown up brother and sister would be sharing an apartment, but never mind.

The scene introduces us to an archaic robot villain who leads the Legionnaires back to his master, where we have the explanation, the big climax, and Pol saves the day. All fairly well done, but there should have been some hints that a robot was involved and that the killings occurred during Earth’s full moon, as Cramey noted. These are the sort of “clues” writers make up on the spot when they realize there is a plot hole in their story.

Another source of disappointment for me back then was that we don’t learn the identity of the robot’s creator. We are only told he was a villain who fought the JLA circa 1986 (one year after this story was produced). In doing a bit of research, though, I think the villain was meant to be Professor Ivo, a long-time JLA enemy who lived long, feared death and created another robot enemy, Amazo. Ironically, Ivo would return in 1986 to attack JLDetroit (and kill Vibe in the process). If this was the plan all along, it was a clever bit of foreshadowing.

Baxter Annual # 1 will never make it into my top ten Legion stories—the hideous artwork and cramped panels ensure that. Yet I found myself enjoying it more than I thought I would and more than I certainly did the first time.
Legion Annual #1

The Giffen Baxter version has Laurel form a question mark on the cover. Not such an obvious question mar, that they didn’t need to put an actual question mark round her. On the later Lightle Newstand version we have Legionnaires emerging form a shadow… a shadow from the past?

Five Legionnaires are left on monitor board duty. In a precursor to the v4 group sitting around too much on Talos, Brainy asks them to select a mission to keep them occupied. In the scene Vi calls Cham a Durlan snake, which he can do, Gim likes his soaps and Cham gets in a barb about Pol being captured by Regulus. That ties in with the Baxter issue on the stands, but won’t do much for Magnetic Kid’s confidence. Welcome to the big boys Pol! They do let him pick the mission and it’s to find out who shot Laurel Kent. Picking a mission out of boredom isn’t exactly the greatest motivation but…

Gim and Pol visit Laurel as she’s preparing to leave the Academy. The push a little hard and are only told that Laurel feels that she has no enemies. We’re reminded with some flashback footage that she was shot by a Krytponite bullet, so it was a targeted attack. She makes a reference to her mom, and you wonder about Laurel’s Kent/Lane heritage.

Laurel puts on her poncho to go shopping and the guys trail her using distorters. In the crowd, there is an Atari Force crossover as a Hukka makes an appearance. Giffen loved the Hukkas over in Atari Force and it’s a recommended read.

The Legion had mentioned that Officer Dvron had been on the case. They don’t bother to check in with him to see if he had any clues. A shame as Dvron is also tailing Laurel and all parties converge when Dvron mistakenly thinks another attempt on Laurel’s life is about to take place. Dvron has not come across as the smartest Sci-Pol officer. In earlier issues Chuck even had to remind him to think about motives for crimes. This story continues that characterisation.

Laurel seems very unconcerned about the attempt on her life. She was in great pain, and bleeding buckets of blood. She knows it was deliberate, but wants to move on since another attack hadn’t been made.

The Legion seriously consider Laurel’s point of view too. Then they think to trace a weapon that can fire a Kryptonite bullet. We have to move into comic science here and go with the writer that Kryptonite bullets can’t be fired out of normal guns. Perhaps a better approach in a world of blasters and lasers is to wonder who sells antique weapons that fire bullets at all. Dvron has at least gone this far, but tells them that the nearest link he had was Thanagar.

Ah! Archaic weaponry does make its way into the plot. The weapon was stolen from a Scinece police museum on Thanagar. Footage shows us that the culprit was a giant robot, and that two Hawk-guards were killed too. A lot is made of Chams’ detective abilities here with an unknown case of the Imperial Diadem being a Chameleon Case File. We’re not really given an insight into why Cham connects the weapon with a raid on the museum or how he knew about it. Likewise, the focus on the guard that wasn’t killed is put in for Plot reasons, and to make Cham Sherlock Daggle. He even uses “elementary.”
Elsewhere, Vi slips into Marlowe mode as she investigates a Legion connected murder on Winath. This goes all the way back to the start of the Baxter run, when a PI Timber Wolf hired to trace Ayla was killed there. The information was worthless , as just as it was transmitted back Ayla was captured by the LSV and made her way back to the Legion anyway. SO the PI died for very little. Since Vi knows about the death, presumably Brin does too. Yet, he never bothered himself to investigate. Nice going Brin. Also, since Vi knows about this, the whole Legion, including Ayla, must know that stalker Londo sent someone to track her. Nice going Brin.

Vi ingratiates herself to her future love by calling her homeworld a “dump” and it’s residents “dirt kickers.” Nice going Vi.

The little robot assistant seen with the PI turns out to have been booby trapped by the killer. It’s activated by access to the guy’s databanks. There’s a nice page of the explosion and Vi shrinking through it. Shame. I liked the little robot. Vi doesn’t seem to have learned anything here.

The teams return to Legion HQ, just in time for Brainy to have finished practicing his Poirot routine. Brainy has determined where and when the next attack would occur. Its target is the tourist bus, run by Olli-3 Queen that goes around the Legion HQ. Brainy saves it by connecting his force field belt to a device that then projects fields from the HQ. While I recall the old rocketship being protected by forcefields, I’m not sure this is a gimmick used too often, if at all.

Brainy tells us that all the attacks, regardless of where they were committed in the galaxy, occurred during Earth’s full moon. 12th level intelligence working through all the parameters, or a plot fudge? Also that he had made a connection between Laurel and the tour guide.

Brainy does concede that there could have been other targets, but that he was right. I was going to wonder who the other targets could have been, but we’re told that later smile

There’s a lovely page of the Legion team flying off into the evening sky. Laurel tells Dvron that she used to dream about being a Legionnaire, but that she wasn’t cut out for it. It’s nice that she has such dreams here, and possible plans to join the SP. These would be replaced by other things in the not too distant future.

As the mission team flies off to Quebec, I’m wondering who’s left at the HQ on monitor duty?! They may be super-smug about solving this, but they’ll get home to find Ben Pares has nicked the silver from the trophy room and the Khunds invading the UP.

Brainy and co are in Quebec to look in on the other targets. Metropolis isn’t that far away, so that was an interesting deduction form Brainy on who would be next. Vi and Cham do some fun cop bickering as they prevent the giant robot attacking Don and Dawn Allen. The Allen’s are taken by surprise by the whole thing. That and Vi’s confidence during the scene is a far cry from the days of Adventure #373. It would have been nice to see them have more of a role, as the Allen’s had a big part in that Adventure issue.

Cham tracks the robot by pretending to be a bit of metal on its shell. I prefer Cham to imitate lifeforms, and not whatever the plot happens to need. I guess the Metal Mats of Miracloplot are just waiting to be found by everyone else.

Although he’s blasted off while still well within the city, the frost on the robot and its northern trajectory lead the Legion to a single facility. Who knew it was the only place north of the city and in the polar regions.

Presumably Brainy has also told him of the other clues. The team reach a polar station, containing cryo-chambers, where they finally defeat the robot. Vi is blasted rather badly, and the robot holds off Colossal Boy. But that’s just so Magnetic Kid can get in his first result as a Legionnaire and pull the thing apart. Fortunately, all older technology, such as Cryo-chambers are immune form the effects of large magnetic fields…um…

The robot takes time after each kill to cross off stickers on its shell. The one for Green Lantern is crossed off. We’ve had Batman and Hawkman deaths and Flash, Superman and Green Arrow attacks. Who was the Lantern?

The epilogue doesn’t tell us the villain. But he’s a guy who was denied longevity, hates the JLA and uses robots pinning him down nicely as Professor Ivo. It’s a shame the robot he used wasn’t more like Amazo really.

Speaking of which, Amazo is fighting the JLA in this very month. But in this annual, Brainy tell the others of a battle in 1986. There is an Ivo story ahead for the JLA. Quite an important one in their history. It didn’t link back into this story however.

It’s supposed to be a fun story with Levitz channelling various detective styles while Giffen gets to try out a variety of his own art styles. Additionally, it links a number of subplots together, some of which have been around for quite some time. I liked the use of the villain reaching out with a hatred borne from centuries old conflicts, but one that can only be exacted for a short period when they take him out of the cryo-chamber. I seem to recall a Doctor Who episode pinching this plot a bit.

The clues weren’t clear enough for the reader to have deduced things along with/ before our cast which goes against some of the styles being imitated. The seeming indifference of the cast to have investigated the attack on Laurel before is a bit baffling. You’d think Chuck and Lu would have gone straight to Cham to get this sorted out ages ago.

I enjoyed a lot of the art, as we get to see glimpses of some of the things that made his earlier run so special. The nods to other influences are nice too, and there’s enough consistency to keep the chapters coherent. Overall, it’s an perfectly decent read with the reveal being enough to cover a number of the earlier cracks. Of course, I was more into the JLA so it rather fails as a mystery as mentioned above.

It’s also a reminder of just how many links to the past the Legion has developed over the years. Bear in mind that other editorial offices don’t like having their future’s mapped out and you can see the basis for some conflicts further on down the road.

Eventually, Laurel, Don & Dawn and Don would be removed and Ollie wasn’t seen again after a while too. He got off lightly. ( Mental note: Put in in a SW6 chamber or something for a Lost Legion tale smile )
The Academy students are also moving on with their lives. Shadow Kid left to go sol on Talok. Jed moved on with the suggestion of the Subs (which had already disbanded) and Laurel is linked with the SP here.
Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
The solution is pulled out of a hat. There's no clue that it was a robot, or that the attacks coincided with particular phases of the moon. If this guy has been going after JLA descendants, did he kill Laurel's father? What about that private eye Wayne descendant - did he become a detective because his family was bumped off, but he just never solved the case?

I think Levitz always knew that there was a threat to JLA descendants early on. Before the Hawk museum footage, we didn’t learn that it was a robot. The Winathian police are made out to be particularly dim, presumably to cover them not noticing a giant robot on planet on the day Ayla was kidnapped.
That’s a really good motivation for this Wayne. All the dead ancestors, perpetually giving rise to grim crime fighters and detectives. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Laurel Kent is oddly disinterested in the attempt on her own life. It doesn't make sense - for now. It just seems out of place; the attitude could have been rationalized by the Legionnaires - "she's bothered, but doesn't want to face it, so she goes shopping" sort of thing.

I thought most of the cast were oddly uninterested at the start.

Originally Posted by Cramer
It's Pol's first big case - his idea and, although he bumbles through the detection, he gets the bad robot in the end and possibly saves his teammates. Nevertheless, he doesn't even make it to the cover and the ending in which he is congratulated by Gim is tepid. Rather like Pol himself. Perhaps that was the point.

“Gut instincts and dumb luck” is how Gim characterises him. I think he ignored Ayla to follow one of those gut instincts later on, so this may be how Levitz sees him.

Originally Posted by Cramer
On the robot's chest, JLA symbols are crossed out for those it has killed. There are three, but wasn't it only the Batman and Hawkman descendants killed? Who's the third? The symbols aren't clear.


I see a Bats and Lantern crossed out with an unclear third one. I guess it’s supposed to be a black Hawk’s head on a red background.

Originally Posted by HWW
The good news is that this annual isn’t as bad as I remembered. The bad news is that it can’t make up its mind whether to be a murder mystery or a humor piece.

It most definitely needed to up its game on the clues and central plot to be a good murder mystery form which the humour would have provided a natural backdrop.

Originally Posted by HWW
However, there is a lot to love: the involvement of JLA descendants, the use of the staple sci fi plot of cryogenic sleep, and the unorthodox manner of kicking off this annual series not with a major event or a wedding, but with a “small” story involving just five Legionnaires. These aspects more or less balance out the significant weaknesses FC pointed out.

For me, it was Laurel’s dreams and moving on; the Vi/Cham banter; the JLA villain and the cryogenics to get to the same conclusion. The small cast and scale helped too now you mention it.

This story is also one of the Legion’s last great nods to the Silver Age since it relies on the assumption that Superman, Batman, and other JLA members would eventually marry and have offspring. After Crisis, DC thought it more appealing to have our heroes live utterly in the moment without nods or hints to some positive future for them (unlike, say, utterly grim future of Kingdom Come).


Originally Posted by HWW
As such, this story represents the last of a dying breed of comics that could be fun because of the expectation that the future (the JLA’s and the Legion’s) would get better.

“But how does this tie in with Hawkworld?” would come the post crisis cries! smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Nowhere is this expectation more apparent than in the intro, when our heroes undertake the case simply because they are bored. In my childhood and teen years, when I fancied myself a member of a present-day Legion, I imagined us taking on cases such as the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot because . . . well, just because.


Oddly enough, the locals on Loch Ness have been oddly reluctant to provide further proof of the monster since around that time. COINCIDENCE?! I think not. smile Did you have a Legion Code name in those days HWW?! That would be great. Presumably it wasn’t “He Who Wanders, But Only As Far As The Front Gate Or He’s Grounded”? smile

Originally Posted by HWW
It’s mildly annoying that the Legion regards the attempted murder of one of its own cadets as a problem beneath its notice until they have nothing better to do. However, such high-minded arrogance is consistent with people who barge into buildings and melt walls without concern for property damage.


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Originally Posted by HWW
We also learn that Laurel is about to leave the academy since she failed to achieve Legion membership. The Legion treats its cadets only as a means to an end (e.g., developing future Legionnaires)—no wonder she wants to keep Gim and Pol at a distance. Does the Legion Academy even have a career counseling service for those who don’t make it to the Big Team?


There’s much later hints that the Academy trains for other career paths. Actually, #304 might have made some mention of that, in a don’t put your eggs in one basket speech.

Originally Posted by HWW
…and when Gim tries to play the hardboiled cop with Laurel (p. 5), it made me question why these guys would be allowed to solve a crossword puzzle, let alone a shooting.


Each scene is a mix of detective styles and a number of them, like the Gim one, don’t really match the Legion or the characters.

Originally Posted by HWW
The Vi chapter is also well done—a solo spotlight that highlights the effectiveness of her shrinking power as well as her abrasive attitude. It's fitting that she works alone because I imagine most other Legionnaires don't want to be around her these days. smile On the plus side, it's good see the once shy Vi exude confidence and competence.


It was a very good story for Vi.

Originally Posted by HWW
I do question why an obviously grown up brother and sister would be sharing an apartment, but never mind.


Exorbitant property prices anywhere near the Flash Museum…which is really close by…in…um… Central City…um…

Originally Posted by HWW
All fairly well done, but there should have been some hints that a robot was involved and that the killings occurred during Earth’s full moon, as Cramey noted. These are the sort of “clues” writers make up on the spot when they realize there is a plot hole in their story.


The links are there and the story flows, but some of them are created out of nothing. I didn’t read the “Earth’s full moon” at first and was remembering Laurel being shot in broad daylight, and Ayla being attacked in daylight (around the time of the Bat-Descendant’s death)

Note: Despite the Bat-comics sudden descent into Bat-Nudity, his descendant is covered up. Even on Winath!

Originally Posted by HWW
In doing a bit of research, though, I think the villain was meant to be Professor Ivo, a long-time JLA enemy who lived long, feared death and created another robot enemy, Amazo.

I was familiar enough with Ivo by the time I read this, that it was a lovely surprise rather than a head scratcher.

Originally Posted by HWW
Ironically, Ivo would return in 1986 to attack JLDetroit (and kill Vibe in the process). If this was the plan all along, it was a clever bit of foreshadowing.


Behind the scenes, Andy Helfer was only a couple of months away form taking over as editor of the JLA. Helfer had plans for the title that would result in the departure of Conway as writer. The replacement writer would be (Mayavale creator) JM DeMatteis and one Keith Giffen.

Also, the end of Crisis was supposed to essentially be the History of the DC Universe. Issue two of that, released in late 1986, would foreshadow the end of the JLA through Ivo’s actions. I wonder what the lead time on that book was.

Finally, the Summer 1985 preview issue of Amazing Stories already talked about big changes in the League with the upcoming arrival of Helfer. No specific mention of Ivo, but one of (Vixen, Gypsy, Steel and Vibe) would no longer be on the team (in the end, they killed two and removed the other two.)
Originally Posted by thoth lad

I think Levitz always knew that there was a threat to JLA descendants early on. Before the Hawk museum footage, we didn’t learn that it was a robot. The Winathian police are made out to be particularly dim, presumably to cover them not noticing a giant robot on planet on the day Ayla was kidnapped.


Yeah, it now makes sense why the PI was revealed long ago to be a descendant of Batman. It seemed like a non sequitur at the time, but was really an example of Levitz's long-range plotting.

The Winathian landladies don't come off looking good, either. I choose to interpret this, in part, as Vi's cynical impression of the people she encounters. This is where Giffen's cartoony style proves effective, as it mirrors things and people as seen through Vi's eyes.

What's interesting to me is that neither the landladies nor the cops recognized her as a Legionnaire. Granted, she had changed recently; perhaps people out in the "sticks" don't keep up with the latest Legion news.

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That’s a really good motivation for this Wayne. All the dead ancestors, perpetually giving rise to grim crime fighters and detectives. smile


Poor Waynes. Cursed for all eternity to losing their parents through violent ends. shake

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Oddly enough, the locals on Loch Ness have been oddly reluctant to provide further proof of the monster since around that time. COINCIDENCE?! I think not. smile Did you have a Legion Code name in those days HWW?! That would be great. Presumably it wasn’t “He Who Wanders, But Only As Far As The Front Gate Or He’s Grounded”? smile


Maybe my secret power is to make dreams become reality in faraway lands?!?! I'm . . . Dream Transference Lad!

I imagined myself to be Lightning Lad. smile Instead of creating my own Legionnaires, I "recast" childhood friends in Legion identities. I would have been Mon-El, but I had an older friend who was better suited to the role than I was. (Ironically, his favorite character was Timber Wolf, but it was my fantasy--so there!)

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Each scene is a mix of detective styles and a number of them, like the Gim one, don’t really match the Legion or the characters.


That makes sense. As a detective story pastiche/parody, the story falls flatter than a deceased Ronn-Karr.

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The links are there and the story flows, but some of them are created out of nothing. I didn’t read the “Earth’s full moon” at first and was remembering Laurel being shot in broad daylight, and Ayla being attacked in daylight (around the time of the Bat-Descendant’s death)


At first, I wondered why it mattered that the earth was in full moon since the PI's murder occurred on Winath. I think the intent was that the killer had to be awakened from cryogenic stasis during earth's full moon in order to give the robot its orders. If that's the case it doesn't matter when Laurel was shot or where the PI was killed.

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Note: Despite the Bat-comics sudden descent into Bat-Nudity, his descendant is covered up. Even on Winath!


I'm mercifully ignorant of this latest comics controversy. shake

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Behind the scenes, Andy Helfer was only a couple of months away form taking over as editor of the JLA. Helfer had plans for the title that would result in the departure of Conway as writer. The replacement writer would be (Mayavale creator) JM DeMatteis and one Keith Giffen.

Also, the end of Crisis was supposed to essentially be the History of the DC Universe. Issue two of that, released in late 1986, would foreshadow the end of the JLA through Ivo’s actions. I wonder what the lead time on that book was.

Finally, the Summer 1985 preview issue of Amazing Stories already talked about big changes in the League with the upcoming arrival of Helfer. No specific mention of Ivo, but one of (Vixen, Gypsy, Steel and Vibe) would no longer be on the team (in the end, they killed two and removed the other two.)


Thanks for the background info.

Ivo was such a minor villain from the JLA's past in 1985 that I wouldn't have connected him with this story. I don't remember the Amazo story you mentioned. Also, super-hero comics were not really good training ground for reading between the lines. Pretty much everything had to be spelled out. That's one reason why I found the ending of the Annual so frustrating. In hindsight, I admire the intention to let readers figure it out.
LSH #16 Baptism by Paul Levitz, art by Steve Lightle & Bob Smith, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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At the Time Institute, Brainy weeps over replays of Kara's death and says he built the time bubble so he could be with her.

On Titan, a number of Legionnaires assemble for Graym Ranzz's baptism. Violet casts a dirty look at Yera but everyone is in good spirits.

The new Legionnaires are stuck on Monitor duty. Sensor Girl anticipates an explosion; when the news comes into the HQ, they leave Brek behind and head for the Techno-Park site of the event. Pol mistakenly lets air into the blaze, then flies into for rescue, thinking of his mother's death in a fireball bombing. He tries to lift debris off a person, but his magnetism is weakened by the heat. As he fails to manually lift the wreckage, he and the trapped man are lifted aloft by Tellus's telekinesis. Sensor Girl and Quislet explore the epicenter of the blast and conclude it was deliberate.

At the Time Institute, Brainy is morose; Rond tries to reason with him and Dr. Chaseer offers words of comfort.

Jan checks in with Brek, who assures him that everything is under control. The baptism ceremony begins.

At the Techno-Park, Dvron tells the Legionnaires that there were five separate devices and they prevented it from being an even worse disaster. The Legionnaires decide to stay on the site; Sensor Girl is certain that no one has noticed them. The others question her confidence and want to know more about her. She then cries that someone is coming in the dark and she lights them up. The bombers are all defeated by the Legionnaires, but an SP cruiser arrives overhead and gasses the Legionnaires, except for Quislet.

Alone in the night, Brainy mulls over his options, leaving for Colu, suicide or trying to change history but decides to do nothing and calls himself a coward.

At the baptism party, Jan worries as Brek reassures him once again and Shvaughn encourages him to relax.

The Legionnaires at the Techno-Park revive and Quislet tells them that the SPs took the bombers, but that he had popped into their ship before it left - which meant that the ship was now falling apart. Pol brings it to a safe landing and a fight ensues between Legionnaires and SPs. Once the SPs are beaten, Tellus reads their minds to discover that they are or believe they are SP officers and that they don't know what they just did.

Late into the night, as Brainy leaves the Time Institute, he observes a light in Dr. Chaseer's lab; she's asleep at an experiment. He wakes her and suggests she get some sleep, since tomorrow will come whether or not they're ready to face it.

Comments:The title "Baptism" covers the first accomplished mission of the new members as well as Graym's ceremony. Graym's event goes off without a hitch - an unusual event in the life of superheroes - and the new Legionnaires fumble a bit, but ultimately succeed in their first mission without a Legion elder.

Jan is rightly nervous to have left them alone and one questions why he didn't leave a more senior member behind with the newbies. (I can't help but thing that Nura wouldn't have left them on their own.) Brek usurps the leadership to some degree; when communicating with Jan, he covers up what's happening with the rest of the team rather than report accurately to the leader. This desperate desire to prove himself and his new teammates could have led to disaster, if support had been needed. The new kids fumble a bit, but ultimately come together as a team and succeed. The big question is: who decided that Brek would be left behind on Monitor Duty? Did Sensor Girl take charge, or did they pull out the Planetary Chance Machine?

There's a bit of sniping about Quislet, somewhat out of place in a group that celebrates the diversity and cooperation of all beings in the United Planets, but shows that some creatures are even strange to Legionnaires. On both this mission and the Regulus capture, Quislet wasn't knocked out as the others were - a pretty useful attribute for a superhero.

The bombing of the Techno-Park is the opening chapter to a bigger mystery. We don't know why the Park was bombed, if specific technology was targeted and we don't know who was behind it. It looks like the SP Officers have been mind-controlled, which points to Universo - but it could also be any number of villains, known and unknown, responsible.

Brainy is on the verge of a nervous breakdown over Kara's death. Crazy Brainy is never a good thing, but one wonders if he's cooking up a Crazy Kara Rescue scheme, despite ultimately deciding to do nothing. The appearance of Dr. Chaseer suggests a possible new romance. There's something special about round numbers, so this 1000th year anniversary of Kara's death affects him more than the previous five, six, however long he'd known her. Of course, the story is dictated by the events of Crisis, but there could have been a mention that he goes through a slump every year on this anniversary. Perhaps he thought all along that he could save her. I liked the reference to problems caused by trying to mess with history.

Graym's baptism was primarily a platform to see the Legionnaires interact off-duty. Most notable is Vi's glare at Yera, as Gim avoids the scene looking sideways. It doesn't say much for Gim that he won't stand up for his wife, or that he hasn't tried to clear the air with Violet. Perhaps he's tried and it hasn't worked.
I always thought Gim handled the whole thing with Vi horribly and I feel like if that storyline had happened these days it would have caused more of a ruckus within the team. It's kinda sad and says something about Vi's lack of close friends within the team that after years of being infatuated with Vi, Gim immediately married the woman who was so closely associated with the worst trauma of her life and not a single Legionnaire thought to tell him maybe it was a bit innapropriate for him and Yera to just act like any other normal Legion couple and to NOT expect Vi to have a problem with it.

It's really not surprising Vi turned so sour afterwards, if I were in her place I'd tell the Legion to go jump!
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The Lightle cover shows Kara reacting to being blasted by the Anti Monitor, with a tearful Querl on one side. Lots of covers show battles and injuries, but readers of Crisis would know just how poignant this image is.

The splash page links us immediately with the concept of time travel in the Legion. Rond Vidar and the Chronarch are in the Time Institute where they see Querl look at the death of his love, Kara. They use the Brainy-key-word “mad” and reinforce the time difference by saying that he’s mourning a thousand years too late.

Brainy knows it’s a thousand years since Kara’s death and knew that she would die young. The Chronarch tells Querl that “History cannot change” but Querl counters with his time bubble having conquered time.

Although Legion history shows Brainy at the same try out as Kara, and that the Time Bubble predated his first appearance, this story suggests that Brainy had invented the Time Bubble prior to his induction to the Legion. What’s more, the trip to get Superboy may have been a trial run, before it was used to contact the woman he loved in the past.

If that’s how far Brainy would go to meet her, then it underpins the emotions he will show in issues to come.

There’s a lost tale where Brainy becomes aware of Kara and her place in history. He learns that she supposedly had a boyfriend from the future, and he becomes that boyfriend either by accident or design.
Brainy’s comment of “and not dare interfere with death.” Followed by “man whatever gods there be have mercy on her soul---- and on mine” suggest that Levitz was building up to a plot where Brainy saved her from her death at the hands of the Anti-Monitor. Brainy is looking at the moment of her death on his screen, possibly as a set up to this.

To balance a Legion death, the rest of the team are present for Graym Ranzz’s baptism. Well, the rest of the team except the five new recruits. They are back on Earth, where they are alerted to an explosion. A blast that Sensor Girl senses before the call comes in.

Having spent so much time creating space for the new comers, it’s odd to see them bunched together and separate from the others again. Here, it seems the separation is just an excuse to give them an adventure. But it’s a bit harsh for all the established members to tell the newcomers not to come to the ceremony.

Polar Boy mocks Tellus’ figure of speech and he seems particularly brittle about not spending time with the main team he’s looked forward so much to joining over the years.

Having been so abruptly rejected in his first try out by Sun Boy, I wonder if Polar Boy would do the same to other, newer members of the group. He may idolise the Legion, but that’s might include some of their less special attitudes too. He may even feel that such an approach is part of what being in the Legion is about.

Brek doesn’t even get to join this mission team, so he’s apart from both the established team and the new arrivals. I wonder if he’ll have moments where he’ll regret disbanding the subs. Probably not.

We’re given some more hints that it’s the fireballing of his family that drives Pol. He wasn’t going to stay behind on monitor duty and he’s the first into the wreckage of the scene, thinking of his deceased mother. He finds a survivor but in his bravery it looks as though he might succumb to the heat. Fortunately, Tellus lends a hand. Tellus did the same thing for Pol in their second round try out mission. Tellus may prove to be a good, long range protector of his teammates.

As Brek may struggle to find his place, we see the first split within the new five members. Quislet rubs Sensor Girl up the wrong way. “You could grow tiresome,” she tells him.

The scene ending with Sensor Girl switches to one starting with the memories of Kara, as a mourning Brainy remembers their time together. Rond and the Chronarch are still with him, and he receives further support from a Doctor Chaseer. Could she be a new romantic interest. Levitz makes sure that her appearance doesn’t intrude on Brainy’s grief. That would have been a sure way to alienate fans to her. Brainiac leaves to spend time on his own.

Element Lad, as Legion leader, checks in on HQ and Brek tells him that it’s a quiet day on Earth. Nothing that the newcomers can’t take care of. It’s not exactly the whole truth, but shows that Brek is determined to prove himself in his new team. His “your leadership, sir” comment shows that the barbs of being left behind haven’t gone anywhere. Perhaps his first stint in the mission monitor chair is what starts him down the path to thinking he could be leader. Having just mentioned how much he idolised the Legion, he is economical with the truth at practically the first opportunity. Brek may have personal goals in his mind that override other concerns. Regardless of how long those goals may take to fulfil. He was quick to disband his Sub friends as soon as the try outs were announced.

Back at the techno park explosions, officer Dvron congratulates the Legion on preventing further destruction. But we don’t actually see them do anything that suggests they stopped further attacks. At first I thought this was to stop us seeing more of Sensor Girl’s powers. But we see that she is callable of sharing her senses with others, moving her away from who Levitz had intended her to be. Combined with her regal tone to Quislet earlier, perhaps Levitz had already been told he couldn’t use his first choice plot.

At first I thought this was so that we wouldn’t see much of Sensor Girl’s powers. But she enables others to see with infra-red vision later in the scene. This, and her regal tone to Quislet are good indicators that Levitz had been told his original plan for Sensor Girl couldn’t go ahead.

Brainy is later seen wandering the Time Institute. He wonders about going back in time to save Kara. Levitz tells us that the paradox has destroyed everyone else who ahs ever tried it, pretty much telling the reader that Supergirl’s return is off limits. He also considers suicide as well as going back to Colu. In the end, he calls himself a coward for going back inside. This is something that could have been explored further and Querl’s actions here would soon unravel.

Based on a hunch that the bomber may return to finish the job, rather than make a statement to whoever the target was and just leave, the five Legionnaires wait around the techno park. Pol asks Sensor Girl more about her powers. They’ve all been impressed by her confidence.

Fortunately, the bombers return to the scene of their crime. They blast Quislet (who can see in the dark) away. As Quislet saved the day on their try out mission, it’s only fair that Tellus and Pol get to take down a bomber each. That leaves two for Sensor Girl who confuses their senses, and knocks them out with a pretty decent combat move. I wonder where she learned that? They don’t get to find out more about who is behind the attack, before they are stunned by a SP cruiser. Only Quislet remains free.

Rather than pop into the ship, control it and defeat the bad guys, Quislet scouts, off panel, on the ship, and waits for the others to regain consciousness. They manage to do this in time for Pol to bring down the, now Quislet-malfunctioning, ship safely. I wonder if the crew would have been killed had Pol not woken up in time. I also wonder if there’s a size limit to what Quislet can control. Perhaps the ship was too big for him to take over completely?

Sensor Girl refers to Quislet as a worm in a tin-can; a reference to the original concept for him. The SP ship has science police officers on board. After the new guys defeat them soundly (on a splash page no less – Tellus is particularly keen), the crew are revealed to be genuine SP officers. Tellus determines that the officers don’t actually know what they’re doing there. It’s a mystery and one that the Legion don’t get to take any further this issue.

It’s a fairly easy introduction for the new Legionnaires. Certainly, they’re not going up against anyone as deadly as Regulus this time. There is a big enough foe in the background of this plot. It’s a shame that the Legionnaires don’t get very far in investigating it. I think there’s going to be a few low level “meh” encounters before that plot ramps up.

On returning to his quarters, Brainy wakes up Doctor Chaseer, wondering if she’s pushing herself too hard. He’s made peace with Kara’s passing and looks to the new day, even if he’s not really ready to face it.
It’s an issue with two stories. Querl Dox comes to immediate terms with the death of the girl he loved. And it’s the first real mission of the five new Legionnaires, after last issue’s false start for them. It says goodbye to Supergirl while celebrating Graym Ranzz.

There are also hints to a larger plot, as well as to some new perspectives on the early days of the Legion. The reason for, and the creation of the time bubble as mentioned above. Also the sense that the Kryptonian teens and the Legion both move along connected time periods.

Brainy couldn’t have mourned Kara prior to this as her death was just published in Crisis. But we’ll come back to time travel related matters in #18. It’s a shame that none of the other Legionnaires were there to comfort Brainy.

Another plus is that it’s Lightle on the art this issue. His softer, well lit faces express emotion better than LaRocques introductory issue was able to. That’s a plus on an issue with plenty of emotion in it.
A final point of interest is Gim avoiding Vi’s glare as she humphs past Yera. Year gets no support form her husband. Also, Tinya gives a signal to Jo that a baby may well be part of their future.
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Decades before there was a Justice League Dark, several supernatural characters considered team up as a creepy Justice League. It was in Blue Devil Annual 1. The members would have been Creeper, The Demon, Phantom Stranger, Black Orchid, Blue Devil, Man Bat and Madame Xanadu. They thought about it for a second before declaring it the stupidest idea they’d ever heard. Funny how things turn out.
DC Comics Presents #87 has an odd, and not in a good way Superboy/ Superman team up giving at least some information on this version of Superboy before the end of Crisis.

It’s the end of a certain Scarlet Speedster in Crisis #8

Firestorm is recruited by Harbinger in Firestorm #42, while the JLD go up against Infinity Inc in JLA 244. I only had this part of the story for quite a few years. The issue of Infinity inc this month follows that story, and sets us up for the appearance of a new Doctor Midnite and Hourman. Roy Thomas was certainly keen to bring in new cast members, and revitalise old concepts. But it became a very crowded feeling book. Not that Thomas didn’t bring back old characters. It’s the Monster Society of Evil who attack the All-Star Squadron in #51. There’s a mad looking Captain Marvel at the finale. Could he be controlled by the Psycho Pirate from the pages of Crisis?

The JLD also meet up with some of their previous members in the JLA Annual 3. It’s by Mishkin/Hoberg and Gustovish. The continuity of the story doesn’t mesh up with what we see in Crisis. The finale gives a new direction for Red Tornado, as promised in Crisis. But he’d appear in Firestorm and Captain Atom rather than getting his won series.

Harbinger also recruits John Stewart this month. As Crisis had Stewart with a mask, the GLC story has John go to the trouble of putting one on just to keep Harby’s sense of continuity right. Harby also punches out Black Canary. I’d have liked to have seen that mentioned in Crisis.

Conway would state that Blue Devil would turn up in the JLD, if not necessarily to accept membership. Superman took Dan to meet Zatanna at the end of Blue Devil #3. He met Ralph and Zee in #4 and Zee helps him fight Nieberos there and in #5. There’s hints of a possible relationship between the two and that Dan may end up as a super hero and JLAer. Wonder Woman guests before Zee and John Stewart help out again in #13. Stewart is back in #17 to summon Devil to the JLA satellite that leads into Crisis #8 and the examination of Red Tornado leading to the JLA annual above.

The Outsiders launch their Baxter book with a cautionary tale against The Nuclear Family. I never really took to them myself.

But it’s a better issue than the reprint of the Wolfman/Perez origin of their Titans in 59. Despite the art, it’s a story that has a lot of clunks and is filler before the Baxter Trigon story begins.

The Baxter Titans #14 has the team split up during the Crisis. There’s Blackfire and Mento to confront among the subplots. There’s a bit of Kole foreshadowing too.

Nuclear destruction is an Outsiders theme this month as the team, with Bats in it, confront Kobra in #27 who is holding the world to ransom. Davis art here and Aparo in the Baxter book. Bats and Kobra has a fight and the winner is…

Paul Kupperberg’s run on Vigilante #23 gets more complicated as another costumed...um.. vigilante… appears in the form of the Electrocutioner.

It’s Batman versus the Nightslayer against the crimson skies of Crisis in Batman #389 and Detective #556. This Moench & Mandrake/ Colan run is definitely worth a reread.

The cover of Omega Men #32 is one I saw on Who’s Who, but didn’t own for years and years. It’s a spotlight on Felicity. As I must have said, if you thought King’s take on the Omega Men was decent, the original has the same and more besides. There’s more mega Men in their second annual also out this month.

Bates and Swan continue an excellent Superman story in 413. As much as I liked Byrne’s relaunch, Bates’ Superman works so well on both a character and threat level.

So around this month I picked up - Crisis, Who’s Who, JLA, Bats/ Detective, DC Comics Presents and Tales of the Titans. So it looks like it was another month where I picked up Crisis and Who’s Who in the city, probably in a pile, while the others were off the newsstand.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Although Legion history shows Brainy at the same try out as Kara, and that the Time Bubble predated his first appearance, this story suggests that Brainy had invented the Time Bubble prior to his induction to the Legion. What’s more, the trip to get Superboy may have been a trial run, before it was used to contact the woman he loved in the past.

If that’s how far Brainy would go to meet her, then it underpins the emotions he will show in issues to come.


That's a good explanation for the Time Bubble history and suggests Brainy was somewhat involved with the Legion - or possibly funded by Brande - prior to joining.

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There’s a lost tale where Brainy becomes aware of Kara and her place in history. He learns that she supposedly had a boyfriend from the future, and he becomes that boyfriend either by accident or design.
Brainy’s comment of “and not dare interfere with death.” Followed by “man whatever gods there be have mercy on her soul---- and on mine” suggest that Levitz was building up to a plot where Brainy saved her from her death at the hands of the Anti-Monitor. Brainy is looking at the moment of her death on his screen, possibly as a set up to this.


Quite possibly one of the lost tales that was actually on the books. It would have been one of the great comic book romance stories.

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To balance a Legion death, the rest of the team are present for Graym Ranzz’s baptism.


Could the Ranzz baptism date have been selected specifically for that reason? Surely everyone else must have given a thought about Kara's death, but no mention of that or of Brainy's absence at the ceremony. Perhaps he was supposed to be babysitting the new kids.

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Having spent so much time creating space for the new comers, it’s odd to see them bunched together and separate from the others again. Here, it seems the separation is just an excuse to give them an adventure. But it’s a bit harsh for all the established members to tell the newcomers not to come to the ceremony.


True, it would have made them feel truly part of the team. Imra might have wanted to invite Sensor Girl, but couldn't without it looking like favouritism.

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Polar Boy mocks Tellus’ figure of speech and he seems particularly brittle about not spending time with the main team he’s looked forward so much to joining over the years.

Having been so abruptly rejected in his first try out by Sun Boy, I wonder if Polar Boy would do the same to other, newer members of the group. He may idolise the Legion, but that’s might include some of their less special attitudes too. He may even feel that such an approach is part of what being in the Legion is about.


We could do with a full psychological analysis of Polar Boy. He's a real mix of emotions and attitudes.

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Fortunately, Tellus lends a hand. Tellus did the same thing for Pol in their second round try out mission. Tellus may prove to be a good, long range protector of his teammates


We don't know much about his home planet, but it could be much more of a communal, group player society. Or maybe Tellus is just a stand-up guy.

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As Brek may struggle to find his place, we see the first split within the new five members. Quislet rubs Sensor Girl up the wrong way. “You could grow tiresome,” she tells him.


Sniping is a super-power... and possibly predicting potential reader reactions. That comment sounds much more like Projectra than Kara to me, which I see you address below! Imagine if we'd also had Comet Queen on the team. Aggravatingly tiresome.

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Element Lad, as Legion leader, checks in on HQ and Brek tells him that it’s a quiet day on Earth. Nothing that the newcomers can’t take care of. It’s not exactly the whole truth, but shows that Brek is determined to prove himself in his new team. His “your leadership, sir” comment shows that the barbs of being left behind haven’t gone anywhere. Perhaps his first stint in the mission monitor chair is what starts him down the path to thinking he could be leader. Having just mentioned how much he idolised the Legion, he is economical with the truth at practically the first opportunity. Brek may have personal goals in his mind that override other concerns. Regardless of how long those goals may take to fulfil. He was quick to disband his Sub friends as soon as the try outs were announced.


This issue paints a poor picture of Brek, but I never took to the character anyway. It is laying some interesting groundwork for future problems, though.

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Rather than pop into the ship, control it and defeat the bad guys, Quislet scouts, off panel, on the ship, and waits for the others to regain consciousness. They manage to do this in time for Pol to bring down the, now Quislet-malfunctioning, ship safely. I wonder if the crew would have been killed had Pol not woken up in time. I also wonder if there’s a size limit to what Quislet can control. Perhaps the ship was too big for him to take over completely?


Good question. Don't recall if this was addressed in future issues.
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Originally Posted by Cramer
Graym's event goes off without a hitch - an unusual event in the life of superheroes - and the new Legionnaires fumble a bit, but ultimately succeed in their first mission without a Legion elder.


Second aisle from the back… third person in… that’s Darkseid in disguise with Graym’s brother. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
Jan is rightly nervous to have left them alone and one questions why he didn't leave a more senior member behind with the newbies. (I can't help but thing that Nura wouldn't have left them on their own.)


Yeah, it was an odd grouping done purely for plotting reasons. After the Regulus mission, the newbies could well have thought of themselves as grounded. Had a senior member been with them, they’d only have to have been knocked out of the conflict. Likely it would have been Wildfire getting his containment suit burst…again.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brek usurps the leadership to some degree; when communicating with Jan, he covers up what's happening with the rest of the team rather than report accurately to the leader. This desperate desire to prove himself and his new teammates could have led to disaster, if support had been needed.


Agreed. Had this subplot been developed in the same way as a Silver Age story, Brek and chums would have been in trouble.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The new kids fumble a bit, but ultimately come together as a team and succeed. The big question is: who decided that Brek would be left behind on Monitor Duty? Did Sensor Girl take charge, or did they pull out the Planetary Chance Machine?


I think Brek chose to stay behind. Sensor Girl snidely wonders if he’s getting the “full picture” as if questioning him for not wanting to go into action. Pol defends Brek. It’s not the way I read it first time, but it seems that Brek took on an oversight role, probably moving in to being proxy leader. Something else else that would have got Sensor Girl’s back up, considering who she is.

Originally Posted by Cramer
There's a bit of sniping about Quislet, somewhat out of place in a group that celebrates the diversity and cooperation of all beings in the United Planets, but shows that some creatures are even strange to Legionnaires.


The attitudes of the Legionnaires has come up a few times in this volume. Whether it’s changing, maturing, becoming more realistic or showing signs of a team breakdown. The new guys seem to have brought this in with the, Polar Boy is insulting to Tellus. Sensor Girl calls Brek “too sensitive” and isn’t too keen on Quislet. Quislet thinks a lot of what goes on around it as silly.

Originally Posted by Cramer
On both this mission and the Regulus capture, Quislet wasn't knocked out as the others were - a pretty useful attribute for a superhero.


That might prove to make him a little difficult to deal with on missions. He may not be able to be blinded either, and he can see in the dark.
Originally Posted by Cramer
The bombing of the Techno-Park is the opening chapter to a bigger mystery. We don't know why the Park was bombed, if specific technology was targeted and we don't know who was behind it. It looks like the SP Officers have been mind-controlled, which points to Universo - but it could also be any number of villains, known and unknown, responsible.


Could this all have been left a little too vague to make for an effective story in this issue? A lot of spy plots have middlemen/ cut outs to fill in the role of intermediary villain just for this reason. It makes it look as though progress is being made, rather than have protagonists floundering around in a mystery.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brainy is on the verge of a nervous breakdown over Kara's death. Crazy Brainy is never a good thing, but one wonders if he's cooking up a Crazy Kara Rescue scheme, despite ultimately deciding to do nothing.


I think we get both in this story. While that’s a good sign of Brainy’s shifting thoughts, I think it also reflects Levitz’s forced plot changes too.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The appearance of Dr. Chaseer suggests a possible new romance. There's something special about round numbers, so this 1000th year anniversary of Kara's death affects him more than the previous five, six, however long he'd known her. Of course, the story is dictated by the events of Crisis, but there could have been a mention that he goes through a slump every year on this anniversary. Perhaps he thought all along that he could save her. I liked the reference to problems caused by trying to mess with history.


Issue #18 might cover some of this ground, as it’s also a Crisis crossover issue.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Graym's baptism was primarily a platform to see the Legionnaires interact off-duty. Most notable is Vi's glare at Yera, as Gim avoids the scene looking sideways. It doesn't say much for Gim that he won't stand up for his wife, or that he hasn't tried to clear the air with Violet. Perhaps he's tried and it hasn't worked.


And

Originally Posted by Raz
I always thought Gim handled the whole thing with Vi horribly and I feel like if that storyline had happened these days it would have caused more of a ruckus within the team. It's kinda sad and says something about Vi's lack of close friends within the team that after years of being infatuated with Vi, Gim immediately married the woman who was so closely associated with the worst trauma of her life and not a single Legionnaire thought to tell him maybe it was a bit inappropriate for him and Yera to just act like any other normal Legion couple and to NOT expect Vi to have a problem with it. It's really not surprising Vi turned so sour afterwards, if I were in her place I'd tell the Legion to go jump!


Good points on Gim. Vi’s recovery subplot was quicker than I thought and there were more mentions from the others than I recalled. But the basic actions taken by Gim in particular, made me feel as though he was selfish and insensitive, even in obliviously so, despite being one of the Legion.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Could the Ranzz baptism date have been selected specifically for that reason? Surely everyone else must have given a thought about Kara's death, but no mention of that or of Brainy's absence at the ceremony. Perhaps he was supposed to be babysitting the new kids.


Yeah, I had wondered why no one else had said a kind word to Brainy. I think #18 will pick up a little of this. You might be right that the date was a tribute. Perhaps there’s a Crisis-laden feeling that something bleak was occurring and they wanted a positive event to offset it. It provides a nice balance to the story, and gets the cast out of the way, earing Levitz points.

Good point about Brainy being the guy supposed to be on duty. That completely passed me by.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Imra might have wanted to invite Sensor Girl, but couldn't without it looking like favouritism.


Sensor: Of course, I should go. It is a ceremony and you know how much I like those.
Imra: You can’t. If the other new recruits stay, you’ll have to be with them.
Sensor: I could use my illusion powers to…
Imra: But you’re not supposed to be seen with illusion powers.
Sensor: Well, what about a disguise?
Imra: And who will you be disguised as?
Sensor: What about Supergirl. Hey, I might get to like that…
Berger Lass: No! No! Paul! We’ve spoken about this! No!

Originally Posted by Cramer
We don't know much about his home planet, but it could be much more of a communal, group player society. Or maybe Tellus is just a stand-up guy.


I’ve thought of it as communal, and one with a sense of awareness of greater powers/ hierarchies. Hence their subservience to Gil Dishpan and later to the Dark Circle.
LSH 16

The challenge of making Brainiac 5 a protagonist is that, to be true to the character, the story must be as inscrutable as he is. There can be no “a-ha” moment where he comes to realize where the path of his life has led him or where he changes because of the story. Any such change must be as subtle and secretive as Querl Dox himself is. The story leaves us guessing, trying to analyze this person who is much smarter than we will ever be yet who in many ways is still a child.

I think I can relate to Brainy (which is not the same as understanding him) better than I did in 1985. Several years ago, I fell in love with someone but didn’t realize the depth of my feelings until she was out of reach. I’ve wondered since then if I really loved her or if I loved the image of her—what I thought she could be to me. I imagine Brainy felt the same about Kara Zor-El.

Brainy, of course, got to spend much more intimate time with his beloved than I did with mine, but the feelings of devastation were real to both of us. Brainy must have known when he joined the Legion what her history would be. Yet he concocted a fantasy around her just the same. An impossible romance allows someone to commit without really committing. Except there are those damn emotions—attachment, a sense that the person is part of you, dreams you never realize you had. Brainy got much more than he bargained for, and it left him an emotional wreck.

I think it reveals a lot that he considers returning to Colu, going away, or even committing suicide. For the first time in perhaps ever he blames himself for Computo and Omega. Such bouts of self-pity are all too real, a sign that his fantasy was directed inward, toward himself. He even refers to Kara as “My Supergirl.” It’s all about him.

In the end, he re-enters the Time Institute and sees Dr. Chaseer asleep at her desk. Instead of gently waking her, he abruptly tells her “Good night.” Any hopes fans may have had of Chaseer becoming the new love of his life are dashed. Brainy isn’t receptive to new love. He wasn’t receptive to old love. He rebuilds that barrier and makes sure the attractive and inviting Chaseer knows it.

I think Brainy is emotionally still very much a child, and the tragedy of his life—if it is a tragedy—is that he doesn’t know it. For all his 12th-level intellect, he doesn’t seem to know himself very well. Caught up in Legion missions and experiments, finding his sense of value in what he invents and brings to the team, he remains totally clueless as to who Querl Dox really is. Suddenly, the insomniac fantasies that led to him building a Supergirl robot make a lot of sense. Querl wants love, but only on his terms.

I applaud this story for its emotional maturity and for not spoon-feeding readers a happy ending. Many fans (including me at the time) hoped that something would come of Dr. Chaseer, but, as I recall, we never see her again. I believe this was intentional. Brainy isn’t looking for new romance. He wants to continue as he is.

Another noteworthy aspect of “Baptism” is that it provides us with three story lines which reflect its title and with varying degrees of success. A baptism is an initiation, particularly into something difficult. Brainy’s baptism can be regarded as a failure in that he does not grow or learn from his experience. The four new Legion members experience an incomplete baptism—they resolve the mystery of the explosions at the park but stumble upon an even deeper mystery. Only Graym Ranzz’s baptism is a complete success: the initiation of a babe into the world of his parents, joined by their closest friends and colleagues. Perhaps the underlying message is that baptism cannot be undertaken willingly—that it is a gift bestowed by others. Perhaps our own efforts get in the way of receiving this gift. Perhaps Graym, in his infancy, experiences more joy in life than Brainy ever will.

That’s a rather sad thought, but it’s consistent with who Brainy is and who he has been.

Elsewhere, Jan again displays questionable leadership by taking the rest of team to Titan while the newbies remain on duty at headquarters. I’m reminded of Lu and Chuck’s wedding back in Superboy 200, when Mon-El, as leader, and Shadow Lass remained on duty while the rest of the Legion attended the ceremony. Jan doesn’t exhibit the same sense of selfless leadership Lar did.

One might argue that the newbies had yet to develop relationships with the other Legionnaires, and this is true. However, Pol, as Rokk’s brother, might have enjoyed attending. Certainly, Brek had a long-standing history with the Legion and would have relished being invited. He seems disappointed that he wasn’t.

Was Brainy left behind to shepherd the newbies? I don’t think so. Even Brainy isn’t that negligent in his duties. I think his isolation from the rest just reflects his isolation in general. He didn’t attend the baptism of Graym because it wasn’t important to him. It was much more important to wallow in the self-pity of his own creation.

LSH 16 was an enjoyable read, even though nothing is apparently resolved. Because of my own experiences, I think I appreciate the story more now than I did then. The emotional complexity of Brainy and others rings true (even Gim, Yera, and Vi’s reactions) and says a lot about how well the writer knew the characters and how they would react in certain situations. We don’t have to agree with or admire everything our heroes do. We only have to learn from their experiences, even if they themselves are incapable of learning.
At the time, I wasn't impressed with "Baptism," as indicated by my Top 25 of August 13, 1985:

1. Dreadstar & Company # 5 -- Marvel/Epic
2. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 9 -- DC
3. Dreadstar # 20 -- Marvel/Epic
4. Justice League of America (Annual) # 3 -- DC
5. New Teen Titans # 14 -- DC
6. Star Trek (Annual) # 1 -- DC
7. Power Man & Iron Fist # 120 -- Marvel
8. All-Star Squadron # 51 -- DC
9. Zot! # 10 -- Eclipse
10. Blue Devil # 17 -- DC

11. normalman # 10 -- Renegade
12. Squadron Supreme # 3 -- Marvel
13. Fantastic Four (Annual) # 19 -- Marvel
14. Infinity, Inc. # 20 -- DC
15. Amazing Spider-Man # 270 -- Marvel
16. West Coast Avengers # 2 -- Marvel
17. Tales of the New Teen Titans # 58 -- DC
18. Avengers # 261-- Marvel
19. Legion of Super-Heroes # 16 -- DC
20. Fantastic Four # 284 -- Marvel

21. Amazing Spider-Man (Annual) # 19 -- Marvel
22. Justice League of America # 244 -- DC
23. Nexus # 15 -- First
24. Green Lantern # 194 -- DC
25. Avengers (Annual) # 14 - Marvel
I like your thoughts on Brainy, HWW...I much prefer your take on him than the guy we have had in recent times who is obnoxious all the time with nothing really underlying it outside of "smart people have no social skills" tongue
Thanks, razsolo.
Late to the party...

RE: Baxter LSH #16, I knew this issue was in trouble when the main thing that stuck in my head was Dirk's combination of cheeseball grin and Dudley Do-Right jawline in the upper-left-hand panel of Page 3 -- he reminds me of Florence Welch in that Calvin Harris music video where she spends the first half of the video disguised as a man.

Lightle was obviously rushed, to my eyes at least -- and I'm a fan! I'm not a fan of guest inker Bob Smith, and he was obviously even more rushed. Thankfully, Lightle will do interior art one last time, and much better, in the soon-to-come issue #23, the Mon-El Goes Bonkers issue.

As for the story, I'm also a fan of Brainy, and of the newbies, but the whole issue has a disjointed malaise about it, which causes a disconnect with me. I will file it under "Missed Opportunities."

Will read the earlier reviews and comments later, and reply accordingly.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
The challenge of making Brainiac 5 a protagonist is that, to be true to the character, the story must be as inscrutable as he is. There can be no “a-ha” moment where he comes to realize where the path of his life has led him or where he changes because of the story. Any such change must be as subtle and secretive as Querl Dox himself is. The story leaves us guessing, trying to analyze this person who is much smarter than we will ever be yet who in many ways is still a child.

I think I can relate to Brainy (which is not the same as understanding him) better than I did in 1985. Several years ago, I fell in love with someone but didn’t realize the depth of my feelings until she was out of reach. I’ve wondered since then if I really loved her or if I loved the image of her—what I thought she could be to me. I imagine Brainy felt the same about Kara Zor-El.


We can't understand how Brainy really thinks, but of course, neither can the writer in theory. The story has hooks we can latch on to and relate to, but your point about any change being "subtle and secretive" is illuminating. That's what reminds us that he's not quite like the rest of us.

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Brainy, of course, got to spend much more intimate time with his beloved than I did with mine, but the feelings of devastation were real to both of us. Brainy must have known when he joined the Legion what her history would be. Yet he concocted a fantasy around her just the same. An impossible romance allows someone to commit without really committing. Except there are those damn emotions—attachment, a sense that the person is part of you, dreams you never realize you had. Brainy got much more than he bargained for, and it left him an emotional wreck.


Caught by his own net, so to speak. Someone suggested that Violet enjoyed a long-distance relationship with Duplicate Boy since she was uncertain about her sexuality. She resolved her situation, Brainy never did.

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I think Brainy is emotionally still very much a child, and the tragedy of his life—if it is a tragedy—is that he doesn’t know it. For all his 12th-level intellect, he doesn’t seem to know himself very well. Caught up in Legion missions and experiments, finding his sense of value in what he invents and brings to the team, he remains totally clueless as to who Querl Dox really is. Suddenly, the insomniac fantasies that led to him building a Supergirl robot make a lot of sense. Querl wants love, but only on his terms.


This is a powerful and logical interpretation of Brainiac 5 which also explains many of his other actions. It's coherent with how Levitz writes the character to the point that I wonder if he had this same view of Brainy in mind. As razsolo wrote, this is much better and deeper view of the character, flaws and all, than the cardboard obnoxious version.

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I applaud this story for its emotional maturity and for not spoon-feeding readers a happy ending. Many fans (including me at the time) hoped that something would come of Dr. Chaseer, but, as I recall, we never see her again. I believe this was intentional. Brainy isn’t looking for new romance. He wants to continue as he is.


There is some hint in a later issue that they spent the night together (not this issue's night but a later one), but it's entirely left up to the reader to interpret.

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Another noteworthy aspect of “Baptism” is that it provides us with three story lines which reflect its title and with varying degrees of success. A baptism is an initiation, particularly into something difficult. Brainy’s baptism can be regarded as a failure in that he does not grow or learn from his experience. The four new Legion members experience an incomplete baptism—they resolve the mystery of the explosions at the park but stumble upon an even deeper mystery. Only Graym Ranzz’s baptism is a complete success: the initiation of a babe into the world of his parents, joined by their closest friends and colleagues. Perhaps the underlying message is that baptism cannot be undertaken willingly—that it is a gift bestowed by others. Perhaps our own efforts get in the way of receiving this gift. Perhaps Graym, in his infancy, experiences more joy in life than Brainy ever will.


I really appreciate this comment since I was trying to shoehorn the Baptism concept into the Brainy story and couldn't make it fit.

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Elsewhere, Jan again displays questionable leadership by taking the rest of team to Titan while the newbies remain on duty at headquarters. I’m reminded of Lu and Chuck’s wedding back in Superboy 200, when Mon-El, as leader, and Shadow Lass remained on duty while the rest of the Legion attended the ceremony. Jan doesn’t exhibit the same sense of selfless leadership Lar did.


Good point. Down with Jan! Just kidding. Maybe Nura told him it would all be okay.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Late to the party...


Punch bowl is still full!
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Late to the party...


Punch bowl is still full!


Awwww... hug
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Crazy Brainy is never a good thing


I'll second that emotion.

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Another plus is that it’s Lightle on the art this issue. His softer, well lit faces express emotion better than LaRocques introductory issue was able to. That’s a plus on an issue with plenty of emotion in it.


Normally, I'd agree, and a few of the faces do come out nicely, but overall I think Bob Smith botches most of them with his heavy-handed inks (see my previous comment about Dirk's poop-eating grin and steam-shovel jaw at the top of Page 3.)

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Tinya gives a signal to Jo that a baby may well be part of their future.


eek Cub Nah -- NOOOOOOO! scream

Oh, sorry, I forgot this is the PREBOOT, not the POST-BOOT!

wink

Hang on a minute. I think Preboot Jo is the Anti-Christ.

Damien Nah -- NOOOOOOOOO!
Originally Posted by razsolo
I like your thoughts on Brainy, HWW...I much prefer your take on him than the guy we have had in recent times who is obnoxious all the time with nothing really underlying it outside of "smart people have no social skills" tongue


What Raz said!

And thanks, too, He Who, for sharing some of your own life experiences and how you feel they are reflected in this story. I think I'm going to re-read this issue, and possibly reconsider my judgment of it.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


Brek usurps the leadership to some degree; when communicating with Jan, he covers up what's happening with the rest of the team rather than report accurately to the leader. This desperate desire to prove himself and his new teammates could have led to disaster, if support had been needed.


I'm already starting to like Brek for that reason, whereas before I was always sort of lukewarm to him. smile Having been the captain of his own team for so long, it's going to be hard for him to adjust to being a private. There are elements (hah!) of dissent already, with him lying to Jan and addressing the latter as "your leadership," which could be read in a sarcastic tone.

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There's a bit of sniping about Quislet, somewhat out of place in a group that celebrates the diversity and cooperation of all beings in the United Planets, but shows that some creatures are even strange to Legionnaires.


I don't think it's Quislet's strangeness that's annoying; it's his attitude. He comes across as cocky and demeaning toward the others: "Whatta deduction! Whatta girl! Quislet knew that already!" He's like a smartass teenager who thinks he's cleverer than he really is.

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Crazy Brainy is never a good thing . . .


No, but sometimes a lot of fun. wink

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Most notable is Vi's glare at Yera, as Gim avoids the scene looking sideways. It doesn't say much for Gim that he won't stand up for his wife, or that he hasn't tried to clear the air with Violet. Perhaps he's tried and it hasn't worked.


I read this scene a little differently. Given that Gim married Yera when he thought she was Vi, it must be very difficult for him to realize that his feelings for Vi are now in the open. I can't help but wonder if he feels he's caught in some kind of triangle.

Originally Posted by razsolo
It's kinda sad and says something about Vi's lack of close friends within the team that after years of being infatuated with Vi, Gim immediately married the woman who was so closely associated with the worst trauma of her life and not a single Legionnaire thought to tell him maybe it was a bit innapropriate for him and Yera to just act like any other normal Legion couple and to NOT expect Vi to have a problem with it.


This is a good way of putting it, and it hits at the heart of why this is such a difficult situation for everyone. There is simply no precedent for what Yera did--impersonating a Legionnaire and marrying another Legionnaire during that impersonation. There are no social norms to dictate how to act.

Originally Posted by thoth
Rond Vidar and the Chronarch are in the Time Institute where they see Querl look at the death of his love, Kara.


I like the fact that Brainy has friends and colleagues outside the Legion who look out for him and help him commiserate. He's one of the few Legionnaires who has been shown to develop relationships outside the team.

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I wonder if the crew would have been killed had Pol not woken up in time.


Oops! Well, there is now a precedent for Legionniares getting off for accidentally causing deaths, so perhaps Quis felt safe. shake

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He’s made peace with Kara’s passing and looks to the new day, even if he’s not really ready to face it.


I read that differently. I don't think he's made peace with it at all, though I suppose subsequent stories may show differently.

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It’s a shame that none of the other Legionnaires were there to comfort Brainy.


As I alluded in my own post, I think this was Brainy's choice. However, I do think it's significant that he has friends outside the Legion who try to help him.

Originally Posted by FC
This is a powerful and logical interpretation of Brainiac 5 which also explains many of his other actions. It's coherent with how Levitz writes the character to the point that I wonder if he had this same view of Brainy in mind. As razsolo wrote, this is much better and deeper view of the character, flaws and all, than the cardboard obnoxious version.


Thanks, Cramey.

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There is some hint in a later issue that they spent the night together (not this issue's night but a later one), but it's entirely left up to the reader to interpret.


Interesting. I'll look forward to seeing that when we get there.

You know, "Chaseer" is a very interesting name. Writers often choose names for a reason, because they reveal something about the character. "Chaseer " can be broken down into "Chase er" or chase her, which is exactly what Brainy does not do but it would probably be the best thing for him if he did.

Originally Posted by Annfie

And thanks, too, He Who, for sharing some of your own life experiences and how you feel they are reflected in this story. I think I'm going to re-read this issue, and possibly reconsider my judgment of it.


You're welcome, Annfie. The interesting thing about life experiences is they help one interpret fiction and vice versa. smile
LSH 16

I liked this issue at the time and like it now, but mainly I think for the Brainy storyline. His grief comes across to me as very genuine and understandable. I like the way it is expressed, along with the variation on survivor's guilt because he knew of her coming death but did nothing to stop it.

Coincidentally just a week or two back I was involved in a discussion on the Facebook group Silver Age Superman Comics about Superboy and Supergirl and someone suggested jokingly that Brainiac 5 might have invented the Time Bubble to meet her. I was able to point to this story (to their delight) showing that it was actually canon.

Regarding the question of why he is grieving now when he appears to have always known how her story ended: writers frequently struggle with the time-travel issue of how time passes for characters involved. In this case it would seem to be editorially mandated by the events of Crisis, but Levitz does make an attempt to give Brainy a reason to grieve now by his 1000 year anniversary. I know from friends that particular dates such as birthdays and Christmas can be very hard for those who have lost loved ones so it kind of works. The additional comment of not being able to go back without disturbing the timeline is also a type of explanation. I guess in my head I thought that enough history survived that Brainy had clues as to how old she would be or what her last adventures were, even possibly her last visit to the future, before her death, so he knew that there was no possibility of slipping in a visit in between without shaking time up.

The other possibility however is that originally in the 30th Century's history books she DIDN'T die then but the Crisis, in merging the existence of several earths, had rewritten history. Before Crisis there was no reason for Brainy to mourn. Now Kara's death is part of the new reality, and always has been, but its impact on his emotions is only real now. There are quite a few holes in this argument but it's an interesting thought experiment anyway. The upcoming big Crisis crossover issue touches on this point tangentially so maybe we will discuss it further then.

He Who, your analysis is masterful and made for good reading and thinking. I too prefer this Brainy to the later arrogant sod but I may be a bit biased since my first exposure was a reprint of the old Adventure story of the Eight Impossible Missions where he beat 3 supercomputers at 3D chess simultaneously yet declined any honours when he realised the machines were performing at sub-optimal capacity. Pete Ross thinks "What a swell guy", something I doubt was ever thought of the more recent renditions.

Dr Chaseer will reappear in issue #30 "Brainy's Lucky Day" and the suggestion is that he did get lucky. We will see when we get there.

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Although Legion history shows Brainy at the same try out as Kara, and that the Time Bubble predated his first appearance, this story suggests that Brainy had invented the Time Bubble prior to his induction to the Legion. What’s more, the trip to get Superboy may have been a trial run, before it was used to contact the woman he loved in the past.


Umm. I thought it was pretty well established that the Legion actually recruited Supergirl first, thanks to the flashback scene in Adventure #323 of Superboy's initiation ceremony which included Brainiac 5 as a member and he joined at the same time as Supergirl. Also it is explicitly stated in Secrets of the LSH #1 that they recruited her first. Of course that mini-series does have a few errors such as when Star Boy joined, but I thought most fans agreed on this. Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Back at the techno park explosions, officer Dvron congratulates the Legion on preventing further destruction. But we don’t actually see them do anything that suggests they stopped further attacks. At first I thought this was to stop us seeing more of Sensor Girl’s powers. But we see that she is callable of sharing her senses with others, moving her away from who Levitz had intended her to be. Combined with her regal tone to Quislet earlier, perhaps Levitz had already been told he couldn’t use his first choice plot.


I haven't really heard about this before as a fact, that Levitz originally intended a different identity (Supergirl) for Sensor Girl. Certainly the letter pages make no mention of it, in fact they emphasise that SG being Supergirl was the obvious red herring. Is there a source you can point me to? I would be interested to read it.
Crisis inserting Supergirl's death into the Legion's timeline after they met her is an interesting idea...out of curiosity, wasn't there something said at some point about Brainy remembering the pre-Crisis timeline because of his 12th level intellect? I guess that could be a good in-story explanation as to why original recipe Brainy seems to be so bitter and misanthropic post-Crisis; if he's the only one who knows there was once a much brighter universe I can see that getting to someone after a while...

The thing you said about particular anniversaries setting people off is a good point too...since my mum died I have always hated and avoided christmas, but I don't really feel the same impact when it's her birthday or the anniversary of her death because I guess christmas is the only time it feels like the rest of the world is celebrating something I don't have; I can see the 1000th anniversary of Kara's death feeling like heaps more of a big deal than the decade or so leading up to that for similar reasons.
Originally Posted by stile86
He Who, your analysis is masterful and made for good reading and thinking. I too prefer this Brainy to the later arrogant sod but I may be a bit biased since my first exposure was a reprint of the old Adventure story of the Eight Impossible Missions where he beat 3 supercomputers at 3D chess simultaneously yet declined any honours when he realised the machines were performing at sub-optimal capacity. Pete Ross thinks "What a swell guy", something I doubt was ever thought of the more recent renditions.


Thanks, stile86.

Brainy can be a fascinating and nuanced character if writers would take the time to develop these aspects of his personality instead of taking short cuts.
I liked your thoughts on Brainy, HWW. Very insightful. I think we get to have a closer look at the Crisis and it's impact in #18, so I'm saving comments for there. You're right to point out that Brainy isn't really over it. I was trying to say that Brainy managed to get through that first night, but it didn't come out as intended.

As for Supergirl's place in Legion tenure, I think it is the case that this issue reinforces what went before. The Amazing World of DC back in '74? had Supergirl join first.

But that might be related to Brainy being coloured in on a reprint of Superboy's first appearance. If he was congratulating Superboy, and Supergirl joined with him, then Supergirl had to be a member too.

In the original version Brainy wasn't there, and so the need to reconcile it with Supergirl's first appearance wasn't needed. There was also a lettercol answer that suggested that Superboy's first adventure made him an honorary member, and the second one with Brainy present was making him a full member. So that could mean that Superboy joined first (in an honorary capacity) then Brainy and Kara, with Superboy then getting an upgrade.

Or it's all Anti Lad's fault...
Originally Posted by stile86


I haven't really heard about this before as a fact, that Levitz originally intended a different identity (Supergirl) for Sensor Girl. Certainly the letter pages make no mention of it, in fact they emphasise that SG being Supergirl was the obvious red herring. Is there a source you can point me to? I would be interested to read it.



Pretty sure it's been confirmed in several places over the years, but the Steve Lightle interview linked in this thread is the first that came up in a search.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by stile86


I haven't really heard about this before as a fact, that Levitz originally intended a different identity (Supergirl) for Sensor Girl. Certainly the letter pages make no mention of it, in fact they emphasise that SG being Supergirl was the obvious red herring. Is there a source you can point me to? I would be interested to read it.



Pretty sure it's been confirmed in several places over the years, but the Steve Lightle interview linked in this thread is the first that came up in a search.

Thanks for that EDE. Interesting interview.
Oh, an even better source: Lightle giving more details on this very board.
LSH #17 A New Beginning by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Larry Mahlstadt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Leland McCauley obsesses over the mystery of R.J. Brande, but his staff can find no information on the man. McCauley believes his decline from sixth to eleventh richest person is directly the result of R.J.'s mysterious success. He contemplates killing Brande, but is reminded that his previous attempt resulted in formation of the Legion - and that Brande could be destroyed but for the Legion. McCauley vows to use the Legion to destroy Brande.

At Legion HQ, Nura has a dream that Brande is dead and it's the Legion's fault. Thom, Dirk and Ayla question her, but she flies off, telling Thom to meet her at the Hangar Level. Dirk figures she's gone off to speak with Jan. She has trouble finding him, but does find Blok and Brin, who tell her Jan is investigating the renegade SP officers. Deputy Leader Brainy has left orders to not be disturbed, so Nura grabs Brin and leaves.

At Brande's asteroid estate, Nura and her team try to explain the need for protection. He's annoyed, especially that the founders have left and a "think in a toy spaceship" has replaced them. Brande refuses protection despite their pleas. A security aide begins to escort them out, but attacks Dirk instead, siphoning his solar power to be used to kill Brande. After some effort, the Legionnaires take him down.

Brande's security system then attacks him. Quislet destroys four missiles and, on Nura's instruction, the controlling computer system. As the Legionnaires turn to the security aide - who is McCaluey's spy Charon - he reminds them that they don't kill people - but R.J. steps in and deals with Charon himself. They take what's left of Charon back to McCauley, navigating between all his security defences. When they reach McCauley and dump Charon at his feet, McCauley simply laughs.

While this is going on, Brainy is in his lab, studying Jacques' added powers. Sensor Girl enters and suggest he monitors Element 271 in Jacques' glands. Although baffled why she suggested this, he does find that this element showed that Jacques' adrenals control his new powers and that he teleports in response to danger. If Jacques can't control his new powers, Brainy suggests he lose them.

At SP Headquarters, a pych-techno briefs Jan, Cham, Tellus and Shvaughn on the mind-controlled officers. Their minds are unusually blank; they all served on Takron-Galtos. Cham suspects someone in the prison might be behind this.

Later, Brande communicates with the Legionnaires to tell them that he's bored and heading for a new life on a different world, with a new identity, to have some fun. Nura realizes that her dream of his "death" has come true.

Comments:

I enjoyed this issue, primarily for Brande's story and the outcome. Was the murder attempt a spiritual awakening for R.J., or was he thinking of chucking it all before this? It would be a sudden, implusive move to leave a financial empire like that. Sudden change is the nature of a spiritual awakening, but Brande may well have put plans in place, perhaps in the event of his death. He is strangely aloof regarding his son Reep, just asking the others to say goodbye on his behalf, but he never was Father of the Year.

Writing Brande out of the book (for now) closes the final chapter on the original Legion; I figure that the title "A New Beginning" refers to this as well as to Brande's new life - and there are more pages/story beginning with this issue, so it's a new beginning for readers too.

I like the villain McCauley. He's just this side of crazy. Devious, rich, resentful; ultimately, it's all a game to him. (Life's a game for R.J. as well, but a much more positive one.) He's a slippery villain for the Legion; they can tackle his minions, but he's beyond their reach. It was in Brande's court to press charges and Brande let it drop. Are the top 12 richest sentients in the future trying to knock each other off? That would be an Agatha Christie novel. I'd also like to know who the other rich guys are and what they do, but we'll have to make up our own list for that (and should it include criminals?).

Does Nura ever take a back seat? She organized this team and is clearly the leader throughout the mission. She did follow protocol, trying to find Jan, then Brainy - but acted on her own initiative. Was time of the essence or did she really prefer to handle things herself? Regardless, I find I like this highly capable Nura.

Things get comedic when Nura decides to paint her nails while R.J. beats up Charon. That scene doesn't make much sense, unless R.J. keeps nail polish around, but it's like something out of a Marx Brothers movie and a bit of an inside joke to readers who are well aware of Nura's preoccupation with her looks. I doubt R.J. couldn't have taken on Charon if the Legion hadn't softened him up first.

Of the new Legionnaires who encountered the mind-controlled SPs, only Tellus is at the Science Police briefing. He's important as the sole telepath and may also have been tagged for the Espionage Squad. Quislet tells Nura that he can't rewire the circuits in the security computer, which indicates he's capable of more than just blowing things up. The mysterious Sensor Girl suggests a path for Brainy to explore as he examines Jacques, which does hint at super-intelligence for the mystery woman. No sign of Pol or Brek in this issue. Panel time is better allocated to those who aren't familiar to readers.

Brainy, having submerged his emotional turmoil over Kara, turns to "fixing" Jacques. Not without considerable pain, which was also the case in Dawnstar's power augmentation. It seems less sadistic than uncaring; Jacques might as well be a lab rat. When Brainy says if Jacques can't control his powers, he'll have to lose them, I get a vision of even more tortuous lab equipment. Although Jacques' teleporting is provoked by fear, he doesn't teleport out of the lab - proving he's a braver lad than I would be.
On LSH Baxter 17:

Like Cramey, I enjoyed this issue. The plentitude of nice character bits (such as the nail polish scene; kudos on the Marx Brothers comparison, Cramey; it's also very much like the kind of stuff Peter Allen David would go on to do in his writing for both DC and Marvel,) along with some LaRocque/Mahlstedt art which has a lot more strong moments than I had remembered since my last re-read, more than compensates for Levitz's lazy, hazy approach to the plot and script (I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that, with Crisis nearing its crescendo, and with the upcoming flagship books relaunches at the starting gate, he had more DC exec business than usual on the stove's front burners.)

At this point, my expectations for the next 20 or so issues are pretty modest -- I don't want to say I'm resigned to anything, so I'll say I'm accepting of the idea that most of these issues will most likely be marking time between brief bursts of greatness (i.e., the battle against the New Fatal Five in 25-26 and my beloved Universo Project storyline in 32-35.)

Of course, it helps that, as a LaRocque fan, I get so much enjoyment from these issues on the most superficial eye-candy level. I went into detail about why I love his art in my review of issue 15, so I'll just reiterate the key points: 1) I love seeing DCU stories drawn with a clear influence of the Late Bronze Age John Buscema/John Romita Senior Marvel House Style (and I'll add that Mahlstedt, at his best, makes LaRocque look more Buscema-esque than Mike DeCarlo will later,) and 2) LaRocque's refusal to overthink his work gave it a welcome infusion of adrenaline (which is why it might be argued that his 1988-1993 run on Flash, a book that's always been about fast motion and kinetic energy, had more of a pure LaRocque style to it.)
LoSH v3 17

This issue was supposed to be a jumping on point for readers. It was supported by a poster and in house ads.

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It was planned well enough in advance that it got a mention in the Amazing Heroes Previews issue. That advanced planning locked in the issue. which is why the Crisis stories fall on either side of it.

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The cover matches the poster/ads and covers a number of bases to promote the title. Gender (Lightning Lass); Ethnicity (Invisible Kid) Alien (Chameleon Boy); new members to interest familiar readers (Polar Boy) and reinforcing superheroes (Sun Boy). With the founders gone, it could have been Wildfire up front, as he’s another character used often for such things.

“It starts here, a new beginning” sounds like something a first issue would have. It’s not really referring to a new beginning for the Legion, but one for Legion backer R J Brande. The dinner he had with the founders, turns out not only to have been part of the set up for their decision to leave active duty. But also for him to begin to look for a new role for himself.

The previously seen Leland McCauley quizzes his underlings on the origins, and success of the man he views as responsible for his gradual slip down the Ups rich list. Levitz makes sure that this is not riches to rags tale of revenge. McCauley is still eleventh in that list. But he fears that information picked up by a former Protean pet could be being used by Brande. That gives a personal edge to the rivalry, over and above the need to see a rival fall.

The three agents of McCauley, including the tall, blue skinned Charon, determine that Brande seemingly appeared out of nowhere. Readers know about Brande’s Durlan heritage, but no one outside the Legion seems to be privy to that information. Brande’s link with the Proteans is also mentioned. We’ve seen Brande meet them before, and would again in v4. This ties into McCauley’s fears.

In trying to understand Brande’s edge Levitz links us into the theme of this being a jumping off point by getting in a rerun of the Legion’s origin, where they saved Brande from assassins. We also get a big group shot of the team. McCauley resolves to use the Legion to destroy their founder.

In Legion HQ, Nura reinforces MCauley’s threat by telling Thom, Dirk and Ayla that Brande will indeed die. A waking Nura is not only historically useful for starting plots, she also provides plenty of eye candy to attract some new readers into the book.

Nura’s powers have been shown to be misinterpretations, in the past. It’s something that Ayla and Dirk bring up. Nura’s partner, Thom, wonders if it’s a mistake. Precognition is a tricky enough power, without it being undermined by your colleagues and lover at the first available opportunity. It’s setting up the reader for the later reveal that Brande will “kill off” his old identity. But no other character goes through as much second guessing as Nura.

LaRocque does a good job in showing Nura’s seriousness at her prediction, giving it the weight it deserves.

Rather than just use comms to contact leader Element Lad, Levitz takes Nura on a tour of a corridor and then to the mission monitor room where she recruits Timberwolf to her mission. Presumably Blok stays behind to be on monitor duty. I get the feeling this scene was supposed to give us more than an establishing shot of the HQ. It would have been a chance to show more of the building. We do get to learn that Jan is off with Erin investigating the SP officers from last issue (an important subplot link) as well as Brainy’s orders not to be disturbed (again tying in with last issue). Form the monitor board we see that Jacques is with Brainy; Tinya is playing basketball with Jo and others while Tasmia and Lar spend some quality time together (can’t hep but wonder if this is linked with a future subplot of Lar’s); Sensor Girl is also seen in a meeting with someone (although I’m not sure how that ties in with future events).

Sensor Girl is seemingly in the HQ, as she’s soon seen in Brainy’s lab while he tries to get to the bottom of Jacques’ teleportation abilities. Jacques simply wants to control them, not least because of the death of a Khund assassin through their use. Again, it makes me wonder why Jacques is on active duty using powers that could prove fatal to others. Sensor Girl gives Brainy some inside information on an avenue to explore. It not only adds to her mystery to the reader but also triggers Brainy’s interest in that mystery. As we saw last issue he’s mourning the loss of Kara. The two plots would converge. Had DC had all its plans in place post crisis, we might not have been given the chance to see Brainy’s obsession. There could well have been an editorial dictate not to mention her again. Similar issues would later be a problem for the book. But here, it will become an important subplot which is to Levitz and Berger’s credit.

Brande has been unhappy over the retirement of the three founders, and it’s going to play a part in his decision to move on at the end of this story. In a nice touch, he’s impressed by Quislet who definitely puts some fun into the book. It’s something Brande appreciates, even as Nura tells him that Quislet has also proved himself as a Legionnaire (thankfully this takes place after last issue and not the one before, although Quislet also stopped Ontiir).

Brande’s dismissive of the attempt on his life. You can imagine him having the same attitude all those years before when he probably would have insisted on using public transport in the face of threats on his life.

Brande is attended by a robed assistant who would vanish form the story. We get a one panel view of a tall man bearing a drinks tray, before that view shift into showing him as a threat to the team. The blue skin marks him out as similar to McCauley’s agent, Charon but he has taken the place of one of Brande’s retainers.

Sun Boy is touchy at the thought of Charon placing a hand on him. It’s odd to see him even think of it as a threat from one of Brande’s staff. Levitz has a thing about touching shoulders as shown between Tinya and Dirk as late as v7.

LaRocque gets in a lovely vertical panel as Charon syphons off Dirk’s power while rendering him unconscious. The energy discharge reveals Charon’s outfit beneath that of a butler.

Earlier, Charon had said he could murder Brande if it wasn’t for the existence of the Legion. Yet, he’s managed to infiltrate Brande’s estate and had plenty of opportunity to fulfil his mission before the Legion arrived. Perhaps Nura’s prediction has blocked something he was on the verge of doing, showing just how useful even a mistaken prophecy is. It’s a nice thought, but that wouldn’t; expain why Charon was wearing a power syphon in the first place. It’s like he had a view of the script and anticipated Nura’s arrival with others he could steal powers from. It’s a bit of a clunking moment of me.

The power syphon (why doesn’t every villain have one) does fulfil McCauley’s plan to literally use the Legion to kill their financier.

Charon is still very confident. Having dispatched Dirk, he takes out Ayla who clunks against Quislet. Quislet seems destined to always be beaten in combat by being thumped in this way.

Brin, Nura and Thom prove to be far too much for the assassin to deal with. The rereads have made me used to it, but I remember earlier pleasant surprises of just how effective Nura and Thom are under Levitz.

He might be down, but Charon isn’t completely beaten. As Brande wonders if he’ll have to fire his whole security staff a barrage of missiles rain down on their position. This is another excellent LaRocque panel, showing off Ayla’s power while showing the missiles in both fore and background arcing down on Brande’s home. The damage there is mounting, which will surely be another factor in his decision.

Levitz usually cuts away to other scenes between moments. Here, we move to Jan and Tellus’ investigation of the SP officers right at the start of a fight scene. A more natural break could have occurred with Charon beaten, but before any interrogation.

The officers are blank slates, and Tellus has been unable to find anything more. On one hand, Jan does a good job in reassuring Tellus that no one thinks he could have done any more. On the other, he does reinforce the opinion that Tellus is Imra’s replacement on the team, rather than a member in his own right. It’s a problem that already overshadows Pol.

The officers all spent time on Takron Galtos. Detective Daggle states the obvious link, as Erin gets in some innuendo about helping the Legion (especially Jan) in all facets of the case. We had seen the Persuader meet a deranged new warden on Takron Galtos. I didn’t think that was developed. Or if it was, that it was linked onto another future plot (also including the Persuader). Could the warden have been involved in the conversion of the guards? I don’t know if we ever find out.

The diversity of the supporting cast continues, with Psych-Techno Officer Usutu. I don’t know if she’s seen again either, but it all helps.

Back on Brande’s the missiles rain down, blasted by Dirk, Thom and Ayla. Brin swats away any that make it through while Nura leads the team. Quislet shows his versatility in popping into missiles and then trying to control the computer that guides them. It’s Nura who tells him to just short the thing more quickly than the destruction caused by his usual departure form objects. That ends the barrage, leaving Chron to face some awkward questions.

These early issues are strong ones for Quislet, showing off a power that acts in a different capacity to traditional characters while adding distinct personality to the team.

Brande, not as familiar with Quislet’s power, suggests that the Legionnaire “pooped right into my computer.” It might be an issue promising a new beginning, but Quislet using his toilet powers would really be pushing the book into unexpected territory. smile

Charon switches from an ambitious assassin to a more comedic role. The would-be killer feels comfortable withholding information from a Legion that won’t torture or kill. But he’s nowhere near as sure with Brande and crumbles in the face of the man’s anger. This may be due to Charon’s experiences with McCauley, a man who presumably wouldn’t hesitate to see the death of someone if it furthered his requirements. If Brande is more successful than McCauley, perhaps Charon thinks he could be even more ruthless.

The Legion purposefully leave Brande to it, ignoring Charon’s cry for help. Nura’s focus on her nail colour being a good character moment as well as good leadership.

Oddly, Dreamy refers to Charon as James, even though it’s been established that he was impersonating someone called Sanders.

Back in the lab, Brainy’s experiments with Jacques don’t succeed. There’s a suggestion that if Jacques can’t utilise them correctly then perhaps he should lose them. He does say “new powers” so I had always thought it referred to the teleportation only. It would have been more dramatic if there was the chance Jacques could no longer be Invisible Kid at all. As it is, I’m reminded of Dawny’s increased powers. It was a plot that went on for quite a while without any lasting changes. The journey to Kol could perhaps have been a result of them, but the changes there unfortunately didn’t last either. My hypocrite alarm tells me that I’m trying to have it both ways. I do like the subversion of the habit of having ever more powerful characters. From the days of Superman through to Phoenix and beyond. It’s nice to have a balance to that, where things simply don’t work out as smoothly.

That lab scene happens in the gap between the Leigon finishing on Brande’s asteroid and their trip to McCauley’s mountaintop estate. They finish off a small army of robots in a professional way. Ayla is again a prominent and proactive member of the team. She’s not been Lightning Lass (again) for too long and Levitz could still be looking to show her as an effective Lightning Lad replacement. But having shuffled off Garth over such a long time, he really didn’t have to bother in that respect.

We had seen Quislet try to control a computer earlier, and he did fry its circuits. Here, it looks as though he can control one of the robots. He also used Ontiir’s chair function against him. So, there’s a bit of scope in in his powers that might not have been looked into too much.

Nura’s “I know this mansion is full of defences, but there’s no reason to get ourselves hurt, is there?” comment sums up a lot of good things about her as a capable leader and the Legion as a very capable team under her leadership, and Levitz’s tenure.

The Legion return Charon to his employer. McCauley wonders for a moment if they are also there to exact revenge. It’s what he would have presumably have done, which supports Charon’s fear of Brande earlier. Levitz shows McCauley as an aristocrat, lost to a world of intrigues and plots.

That persona is a mirror to Brande’s view of such practices and is yet another layer in his decision at the end of the story.

As Nura wonders how her dream could have gone so wrong, Brande informs them that he is abandoning his position, his identity and even his form. Back when he accompanied Cham to regain his powers, Brande said he was stuck in his current form. So perhaps, any future changes will be down to other means although it does suggest the use of his Durlan abilities. His founding Legionnaires gone, his home a battle zone and tired of seeing competitors like McCauley at every turn all contribute to Brane’s decision making it more grounded.

In the end, and in Silver Age tradition, Nura’s dreams were right after all. There is an element of wondering if those powers actually helped to fulfil the prophecy. Without the alert, they wouldn’t have gone to Brande’s home. Charon was waiting for something to use his power syphon on. Without that, he would have either had to abandon his plan to use the Legion or wait until another time. Graym’s christening would have been an opportunity, so something like that. In both those cases Brande may well have departed anyway. The other option would be to try and murder Brande without additional power, which could have gone badly for him.

We don’t get a double size issue, but we do get no ads and five pages of nice Legionnaire pics, with a line on powers.

From my first reading of this issue, I had been anticipating something more in the “It starts here…a new beginning!” I had no idea what that would be, but as a newsstand reader I wasn’t as aware of the impact of the new Baxter format. We’d had new members but Crisis was occurring. I have no idea if I thought there would be a link from that to more Legion changes, but there was an air of major change happening all around. Instead, the cover blurb refers to Brande, and that’s a little bit of a tease.

I had thought of this issue as a self-contained, jumping off point for new readers. A fairly disposable issue in the scheme of things. But there’s actually just the usual amount of subplots going on in the background: Jacques powers; Brainy’s beginning obsession; the Sensor Girl mystery etc.

The characterisation is spot on throughout as always too, to the extent I almost take it for granted. Nura assuming a leadership role; Ayla’s proactive stance; Tellus’ uncertainty; Jan’s more relaxed (and to my mind mixed) leadership ability and even Thom’s practical, unshowy background support are all examples of this. Blok’s continued misunderstanding is possibly the only exception, but even that has become something of a character trait in this tenure. His easy friendship with Brin, like Dirk and Thom playing D&D are also part of all this.

McCauley getting away with without repercussions while Brande moves away may seem like a little bit of a hollow victory. But McCauley’s personality is well done, and as noted Brande’s decision is not a sudden one. While it’s an accessible story, I hadn’t felt that any of the previous Baxter issues put up barriers. There are no earth shattering revelations, and the big change involves a retconned supporting character. I’d be interested to find out if the promotion had a impact in sales, not only for this issue, but in the period after it. Tough to tell, since there’s some Crisis logos on covers around this time too.

Larocque has some excellent panels in the issue and the story flows very smoothly throughout. Faces are still an issue, and I’m glad everyone has distinctive costumes and hair. The pen pics are also very nice, even with a few similar facial niggles.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
These early issues are strong ones for Quislet, showing off a power that acts in a different capacity to traditional characters while adding distinct personality to the team.


Glad this polarizing character seems to be growing on you, Thoth. What fun! Go, go, go! Quislet

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Brande, not as familiar with Quislet’s power, suggests that the Legionnaire “pooped right into my computer.” It might be an issue promising a new beginning, but Quislet using his toilet powers would really be pushing the book into unexpected territory. smile


I'm still waiting for someone to write a LSH v4 fan fic that answers the question of whether April Dumaka makes her caca in the loo or in a litter box.

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Charon switches from an ambitious assassin to a more comedic role. The would-be killer feels comfortable withholding information from a Legion that won’t torture or kill. But he’s nowhere near as sure with Brande and crumbles in the face of the man’s anger. This may be due to Charon’s experiences with McCauley, a man who presumably wouldn’t hesitate to see the death of someone if it furthered his requirements. If Brande is more successful than McCauley, perhaps Charon thinks he could be even more ruthless.

The Legion purposefully leave Brande to it, ignoring Charon’s cry for help. Nura’s focus on her nail colour being a good character moment as well as good leadership.


Good observation. The gravity in that hint of a nasty side to Brande makes the humor work even better!

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Nura’s “I know this mansion is full of defences, but there’s no reason to get ourselves hurt, is there?” comment sums up a lot of good things about her as a capable leader and the Legion as a very capable team under her leadership, and Levitz’s tenure.


Agreed 100%.

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McCauley getting away with without repercussions while Brande moves away may seem like a little bit of a hollow victory. But McCauley’s personality is well done, and as noted Brande’s decision is not a sudden one.


Again, agreed 100%.

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Larocque has some excellent panels in the issue and the story flows very smoothly throughout. Faces are still an issue, and I’m glad everyone has distinctive costumes and hair. The pen pics are also very nice, even with a few similar facial niggles.


While I am pleasantly surprised and thrilled that you have so many kind words for LaRocque's work on this issue, I have to wonder -- who are the artists whose faces you compare unfavorably to his? Off the top of my head, I thought of Perez, whom I know is a favorite of yours, but I'm curious as to who else.
LSH 17
A clever cover invites the reader in, with Sun Boy standing in for Uncle Sam and flanked by Polar Boy, Invisible Kid, Lightning Lass, and Chameleon Boy. This is a new Legion, a Legion that continues to break with the past and chart its own course. However, the story—like the break itself—takes too long to go anywhere and doesn’t amount to much.

The sole purpose of “New Beginnings” is apparently to write out R.J. Brande. It’s a worthy goal, consistent with the series’ other recent moves. Without its founding financier and three original members, the Legion has truly evolved into a new organization—one that honors its traditions but can face the future on its own terms. The manner of Brande’s departure is consistent with who he is and has been: a Durlan who lost his shapeshifting powers but created a vast financial empire based on creating suns. Brande is a giver while his rival, McCauley, is a taker. But Brande has also enjoyed the spoils of success and knows not much can touch him. Tired of the endless games that go with being a wealthy target, he simply takes off to start a new life, much as he did when he fled Durla 20-odd years ago. Illness drove him away from his previous life and family. Now it’s simply boredom.

However, the story that gets Brande to that point relies on contrivance, padding, and by-the-books action. McCauley and Charon pose no real threat. In fact, it makes the Legionnaires look weak when Brande himself forces Charon to divulge the identity of his employer. Its not that Brande shouldn’t be able to handle himself; it’s that the Legionnaires don’t really do anything except run interference. While Brande reminds Charon that he’s not restricted by the Legion’s code against killing, the Legionnaires simply turn away and pretend to be interested in Nura’s nails. It’s a type of humor that, like much of the annual, doesn’t suit the Legion.

The Legion also appears ineffectual when they can’t touch McCauley. Why should it matter if Brande refuses to press charges? It must be against some kind of law to endanger the lives of Legionnaires and whatever human staff of Brande’s happened to be on his estate. The idea of McCauley being too rich to be touched (or, in modern parlance, too big to fail) has analogs in the real world, and he could indeed become a serious threat to the Legion. But here he’s just a grown-up pretty boy whose motivation consists of jealousy toward his business rival; with Brande gone, that motivation presumably vanishes.

The Legionnaires themselves are of secondary importance in this, their “new beginning.” Most go through the motions of smashing missiles and roughing up Charon but contribute little else. Nura, however, is put to good use as someone who takes charge of the situation and rounds up whomever she can find. I’m confused, though, as to why she needed to search the HQ for Element Lad. In the old days, Legionnaires could contact each other through their flight rings. Does this very useful technology no longer work?

Speaking of Element Lad, a couple of subplots are advanced slightly. Jan and company investigate the SP officers who were involved in the park bombing, and Brainy tries to help Jacques control his teleportation power. We also get another clue as to what Sensor Girl’s powers might be. All well and good, but I’m growing tired of the slow pace of most subplots.

Issue 17 demonstrates, I think, that having more pages for story isn’t necessarily a good thing. Too much time is spent on several scenes that could be condensed, such as McCauley’s meeting with Charon. The recap of the Legion’s origin could have been summarized into a few word balloons. (However, we do learn that McCauley was apparently behind the attempted assassination on Brande—a useless retcon.) Tension is lost when scenes drag out too long. “New Beginnings” feels like it is neither new nor a beginning. It comes across as too self-conscious an effort to draw in new readers—a story which takes no chances.

However, we do get a five-page “Fact File,” which is useful for keeping straight who is now on the team.
And here's how this issue rated in my Top 25 of September 17, 1985:

1. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 10 -- DC
2. Infinity, Inc. (Annual) # 1 -- DC
3. New Teen Titans # 15 -- DC
4. Star Trek # 21 -- DC
5. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 4 -- Marvel
6. Avengers # 262 -- Marvel
7. Captain America # 312 -- Marvel
8. Dreadstar & Company # 6 -- Marvel/Epic
9. Amazing Spider-Man # 271 -- Marvel
10. West Coast Avengers # 4 -- Marvel

11. Nightcrawler # 1 -- Marvel
12. Fantastic Four # 285 -- Marvel
13. Justice League of America # 246 -- DC
14. Blue Devil Summer Fun (Annual) # 1 -- DC
15. Squadron Supreme # 5 -- Marvel
16. Blue Devil # 18 -- DC
17. Marvel Tales # 182 -- Marvel
19. DC Challenge # 2 -- DC
20. Legion of Super-Heroes # 17 -- DC

21. Uncanny X-Men # 200 -- Marvel
22. Fury of Firestorm # 41 -- DC
23. Heroes for Hope # 1 -- Marvel
24. Nexus # 16 -- First
25. All-Star Squadron # 52 -- DC

So, this was another middling issue for me. However, Crisis tops the chart and it was a good month for Marvel, which takes up eight consecutive positions.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
6. Avengers # 262 -- Marvel


OMIGAWDS! That's the one where Captain America convinces the Sub-Mariner to join the Avengers! I *love* that issue, it always brings a tear to my eye, and I'm so happy to see it made your Top 10 that month!
Thanks for reminding me what 262 was about, Annfie. I don't remember much from the numbers alone.

Subby's joining was indeed a surprise since he was one of the few Marvel heroes who was really not a team player. However, it made sense given his circumstances at the time. I also very much enjoyed his alpha male rivalry with Hercules.
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
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The Legion also appears ineffectual when they can’t touch McCauley. Why should it matter if Brande refuses to press charges? It must be against some kind of law to endanger the lives of Legionnaires and whatever human staff of Brande’s happened to be on his estate. The idea of McCauley being too rich to be touched (or, in modern parlance, too big to fail) has analogs in the real world, and he could indeed become a serious threat to the Legion. But here he’s just a grown-up pretty boy whose motivation consists of jealousy toward his business rival; with Brande gone, that motivation presumably vanishes.


I like that McCauley is motivated by petty jealousy and acts as a man-child. Heavens knows there are enough people like that in real life! But I agree with you, that the Legion comes across as extremely ineffectual. I would rather that McCauley wriggled through on a technicality / passed the blame on to someone else, like Lex Luthor did (though it could make, say, Brainiac 5 look bad!). Or at least charges are pressed somehow. I mean, they had Charon's confession - and McCauley admitted it too! This was a very unsatisfying ending, as you said.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


I enjoyed this issue, primarily for Brande's story and the outcome. Was the murder attempt a spiritual awakening for R.J., or was he thinking of chucking it all before this? It would be a sudden, implusive move to leave a financial empire like that. Sudden change is the nature of a spiritual awakening, but Brande may well have put plans in place, perhaps in the event of his death.


I suspect he probably had plans in place for some time. Reading between the lines (or at least doing some focused speculation), I suspect his meeting with the Protean several issues ago as well as the retirement of his three "pups" may have instigated or accelerated his plans.

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He is strangely aloof regarding his son Reep, just asking the others to say goodbye on his behalf, but he never was Father of the Year.


True. This is a guy who abandoned his family when he thought he was dying and who worked closely with his son for several years but never bothered to tell his son who he was. It's consistent that he wouldn't say goodbye in person.

Come to think of it, we haven't seen Cham interact with Brande since # 301, as I recall. A lot of things may be happening off camera, but it could be that Reep didn't make the relationship a priority, either.

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Are the top 12 richest sentients in the future trying to knock each other off? That would be an Agatha Christie novel. I'd also like to know who the other rich guys are and what they do, but we'll have to make up our own list for that (and should it include criminals?).


I wonder if Levitz was reading a lot of detective novels at this time. This might explain why some subplots and attempts at humor veer in this direction.

Originally Posted by thoth
Rather than just use comms to contact leader Element Lad, Levitz takes Nura on a tour of a corridor and then to the mission monitor room where she recruits Timberwolf to her mission. Presumably Blok stays behind to be on monitor duty. I get the feeling this scene was supposed to give us more than an establishing shot of the HQ. It would have been a chance to show more of the building.


That would explain why she doesn't use her flight ring to contact Jan. smile If so, this is another example of the story trying too hard to attract new readers. "Look at all this wonderful tech and scenery we've got lying around! Never mind if it's useful to the plot." smile

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Brande’s dismissive of the attempt on his life. You can imagine him having the same attitude all those years before when he probably would have insisted on using public transport in the face of threats on his life.


Yes, a totally realistic portrayal of someone who has reached the pinnacle of success and probably has an unrealistic view of his own invincibility. JFK rode in an open-air limousine, where anybody could take a pot shot at him. FDR ignored his obvious health concerns while focusing on ending WWII. RJB grabs Charon by the neck and threatens him in close proximity. Lucky for him Charon didn't carry a concealed knife or blaster.


Originally Posted by Ficklestand
I'm still waiting for someone to write a LSH v4 fan fic that answers the question of whether April Dumaka makes her caca in the loo or in a litter box.


My v7.5 notes suggest litter box. smile

Originally Posted by Ficklestand
While I am pleasantly surprised and thrilled that you have so many kind words for LaRocque's work on this issue, I have to wonder -- who are the artists whose faces you compare unfavorably to his? Off the top of my head, I thought of Perez, whom I know is a favorite of yours, but I'm curious as to who else.


Originally Posted by HWW
Without its founding financier and three original members, the Legion has truly evolved into a new organization—one that honors its traditions but can face the future on its own terms.


Good point.

Originally Posted by HWW
The idea of McCauley being too rich to be touched (or, in modern parlance, too big to fail) has analogs in the real world, and he could indeed become a serious threat to the Legion.


Just think about the data those Omnicoms are harvesting.

Originally Posted by HWW
“New Beginnings” feels like it is neither new nor a beginning. It comes across as too self-conscious an effort to draw in new readers—a story which takes no chances.


While I was surprised at the number of subplots in the issue, my memory of it before the reread was that it was a basic, self-contained issue to introduce a few key concepts. One where the art made up for some of the story. Having said that, it’s a lot better than a 20 page recap of the origin would have been. Come to think of it, the founders visiting the original assassins has a similar purpose to it, minus any action. You could have condensed both into a single story.

Originally Posted by HWW
Or at least charges are pressed somehow. I mean, they had Charon's confession - and McCauley admitted it too!


McCauley as a constant post-Brande threat might have been an option. But it was Brande he felt as a rival, rather than his pawns. So, without RJ…

Originally Posted by HWW
Come to think of it, we haven't seen Cham interact with Brande since # 301, as I recall. A lot of things may be happening off camera, but it could be that Reep didn't make the relationship a priority, either.


Good points about Brande’s goodbye. On Reep, he did end up taking on his dad’s mantle when it came to keeping Brande’s company going. Lots going on for him to reach that decision.
Thoth, why did you quote this post of mine, but then leave no reply to it?

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While I am pleasantly surprised and thrilled that you have so many kind words for LaRocque's work on this issue, I have to wonder -- who are the artists whose faces you compare unfavorably to his? Off the top of my head, I thought of Perez, whom I know is a favorite of yours, but I'm curious as to who else.


Did I somehow offend or annoy you? If so, then I apologize and assure you that was not my intention.
Crumbs No! I left the quote in so I would be sure to come back and answer it... and um... forgot because I was in a rush. As soon as I saw you were the last poster to the thread I remembered. I'll pop back later with actual words... smile hug



Ah, okay. Glad that's all it was. hug
Originally Posted by thoth
Nura’s powers have been shown to be misinterpretations, in the past. It’s something that Ayla and Dirk bring up. Nura’s partner, Thom, wonders if it’s a mistake. Precognition is a tricky enough power, without it being undermined by your colleagues and lover at the first available opportunity. It’s setting up the reader for the later reveal that Brande will “kill off” his old identity. But no other character goes through as much second guessing as Nura.

LaRocque does a good job in showing Nura’s seriousness at her prediction, giving it the weight it deserves.


Nura must have a very good idea of how accurate her power is yet she's often put on the defensive as others question it. She's never responded in an angry manner or shown to be depressed at her teammates lack of confidence in her precognition (except in the reboot). She could just as easily respond with "I see your future and it's not pretty" snark, but doesn't. I'm not sure certain other Legionnaires would be so mature if their powers were continually questioned.

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Rather than just use comms to contact leader Element Lad, Levitz takes Nura on a tour of a corridor and then to the mission monitor room where she recruits Timberwolf to her mission. Presumably Blok stays behind to be on monitor duty. I get the feeling this scene was supposed to give us more than an establishing shot of the HQ. It would have been a chance to show more of the building.


I was so caught up in the chase that I missed the obvious, that she should have used the comms.

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Brande has been unhappy over the retirement of the three founders, and it’s going to play a part in his decision to move on at the end of this story. In a nice touch, he’s impressed by Quislet who definitely puts some fun into the book. It’s something Brande appreciates, even as Nura tells him that Quislet has also proved himself as a Legionnaire (thankfully this takes place after last issue and not the one before, although Quislet also stopped Ontiir).


Brande's reaction to Quislet is one of the reasons I thought he had a more sudden change of direction - not that he wasn't thinking about leaving or changing his life before, but Quislet's attitude crystalized in Brande's mind the decision to start over and have fun.

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Sun Boy is touchy at the thought of Charon placing a hand on him. It’s odd to see him even think of it as a threat from one of Brande’s staff. Levitz has a thing about touching shoulders as shown between Tinya and Dirk as late as v7.


Interesting, the shoulder thing. I figured Dirk was just reacting to the idea that he would be physcially forced out rather than leave politely when requested.

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Earlier, Charon had said he could murder Brande if it wasn’t for the existence of the Legion. Yet, he’s managed to infiltrate Brande’s estate and had plenty of opportunity to fulfil his mission before the Legion arrived. Perhaps Nura’s prediction has blocked something he was on the verge of doing, showing just how useful even a mistaken prophecy is. It’s a nice thought, but that wouldn’t; expain why Charon was wearing a power syphon in the first place. It’s like he had a view of the script and anticipated Nura’s arrival with others he could steal powers from. It’s a bit of a clunking moment of
me.


It is a bit clunking, but we don't know how long he's been there. Perhaps he just arrived and dispatched Sanders a few minutes before or after the Legion returned. We know he's been spying on Brande, but has that been from within Brande's operation or as an outsider? Just extremely lucky, however, that Sanders is enough of a match that Charon could replace him unnoticed.

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The diversity of the supporting cast continues, with Psych-Techno Officer Usutu. I don’t know if she’s seen again either, but it all helps.


I don't recall seeing her again but agree it's the sort of detail that enriches the Legionverse.

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The Legion return Charon to his employer. McCauley wonders for a moment if they are also there to exact revenge. It’s what he would have presumably have done, which supports Charon’s fear of Brande earlier. Levitz shows McCauley as an aristocrat, lost to a world of intrigues and plots.


Very good point about reasons for Charon to fear Brande, not just the no-kill policy, but actual experience with the super-wealthy. And possibly an untold tale about R.J. Brande, arms dealer to the stars.

Originally Posted by HWW
However, the story—like the break itself—takes too long to go anywhere and doesn’t amount to much.


Interesting that you must have had a similar opinion when you first read it, given the low ranking of this issue among your list!

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However, the story that gets Brande to that point relies on contrivance, padding, and by-the-books action. McCauley and Charon pose no real threat. In fact, it makes the Legionnaires look weak when Brande himself forces Charon to divulge the identity of his employer. Its not that Brande shouldn’t be able to handle himself; it’s that the Legionnaires don’t really do anything except run interference. While Brande reminds Charon that he’s not restricted by the Legion’s code against killing, the Legionnaires simply turn away and pretend to be interested in Nura’s nails. It’s a type of humor that, like much of the annual, doesn’t suit the Legion.


I didn't mind the humour, although it did seem out of place given the tone of the story overall. That the Legionnaires stood aside struck me as their deference to him - if he wants to beat up on the rat in his nest, let him have at it. If things got out of hand, they could easily have intervened. There's also the idea that when Brande commands, the Legion jumps - which McCauley was complaining about and which we've seen in previous issues.

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The Legion also appears ineffectual when they can’t touch McCauley. Why should it matter if Brande refuses to press charges? It must be against some kind of law to endanger the lives of Legionnaires and whatever human staff of Brande’s happened to be on his estate. The idea of McCauley being too rich to be touched (or, in modern parlance, too big to fail) has analogs in the real world, and he could indeed become a serious threat to the Legion. But here he’s just a grown-up pretty boy whose motivation consists of jealousy toward his business rival; with Brande gone, that motivation presumably vanishes.


There is a sense that McCauley is beyond the reach of the Legion due to his riches, but it could be that they have instructions from Brande to let it be and, again, stand aside at Brande's request. That's partly why I'd like to have seen McCauley go after the other characters who are richer than he is - as a villain that the Legion would pursue and eventually bring to justice.
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And possibly an untold tale about R.J. Brande, arms dealer to the stars.


I was thinking about arms dealer Brande throughout. I never fell for that "single form" thing for a minute. smile
Li’l thoth in Elsenwhen

More classic Legion in DC Digest #68 – You get Starfinger; The True Identity of Starfinger; The Insect Queen of Smallville; The Wedding that Wrecked the Legion; The Menace of the Sinister Super-Babies; The sacrifice of Kid Psycho (appropriate in recent rereads and not a coincidence) and Hunters of the Super-Beasts.

Legion artist Keith Giffen draws a Superman/ Creeper Crisis Crossover in DC Comics Presents #88. The Creeper is a Giffen favourite, hence the appearance in early JL issues and the idea that he’d be a recurring character there.

Before there was Giffen’s infamous nine panel grid in the Legion, there was Giffen’s sixteen panel grid in the adaptation of Robert Bloch’s Hell on Earth. So, it looks as though he was trying this stuff out before the Watchmen made it onto the stands.

Giffen’s also the artist on World’s Finest 322. The styles on each of these books is different too. It’s only a matter of time before its revealed that Reep Daggle took over the Giffen identity around this time.
Legion scribe Mindy Newell has Shadow Demons attacking Paradise Island in Wonder Woman #328. I’m missing issue of this story, but I’m keen to read it. It’s not long after her Dawnstar story and it’s towards the end of one of DC’s flagship characters.

More Crisis crossovers in Firestorm #42 where Donna and Firehawk, showing off a new costume, go into the warp zone. I think they were looking for Terry Long, so probably he’s been chatting up young women from across history.

Infinity Inc Annual #1 reveals the mother of Jade & Obsidian while Infinity Inc #21 has the new Hourman and Doctor Midnite on the cover; JLA 245 punts Steel into the future where he faces The Lord of Time. He might not be in the Crisis, but he’s Hal Jordan is in the crossovers, such as Green Lantern #195.

Like Wonder Woman, Roy Thomas has shadow demons in All Star Squadron 52. They, and some of the All Star Squadron are on Earth-S. How well does this fit into Crisis 5 & 6?
Superman visits Kandor and also the parents of Kara post Crisis #7 in Superman 414. Over in Action #574 he’s in the Olympics of Two Worlds. There’s a fair bit of this Kara foreshadowing/ remembrance going on in the super-books, and I don’t think any of them stand up particularly well.

Kory is told about her upcoming marriage in Teen Titans #15. Kory makes a guest panel appearance in Omega Men #33 to talk to her brother. Omega Men is another I should fill in the gaps for. There’s a lot going on in a large cast this issue.

Batman 390 and Detective 557 continues the Nightslayer/ Nocturna story. I’d only get one of these this month. I’d be regularly knocked out of this story. I can appreciate the editorial decisions on crossovers in a newsstand world. You’re not always going to know it’s a crossover (Superman triangles looked to sort this) and you simply might not be able to get the issue.

Bats is still with the Outsiders as “The Truth About Looker” begins in BatO #28.

A cautionary tale brings out what’s inside you in Swamp Thing #43 while Warlord reaches #100.

Li’l thoth would have got JLA, Action Comics, DC Comics Presents (and not liked the Giffen art much); Batman; Who’s Who & Crisis (from the big city shop); Tales of the legion (the end of the LSV story this month); Tales of the Teen Titans (Trigon story starts).

A month with Crisis (by Wolfman & Perez), LSV vs the Legion (by Levitz and Lightle, taking over from Giffen), Trigon in the Titans (by Wolfman &Perez) the always brilliant Who’s Who and a Steel spotlight in JLA! It doesn’t get a lot better than this really.

Later on, I’d hunt down the Swamp Thing issues and later still the Alan Davis BatO issues. I’ve a feeling there’s some good things in Omega Men too, with a slightly different pace.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Oh, an even better source: Lightle giving more details on this very board.

Wow. Never saw that thread. Very cool. Thanks.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
6. Avengers # 262 -- Marvel


OMIGAWDS! That's the one where Captain America convinces the Sub-Mariner to join the Avengers! I *love* that issue, it always brings a tear to my eye, and I'm so happy to see it made your Top 10 that month!

I remember that. This period of the Avengers is one of my favourites. Great stories with interesting writing and characterisation by Roger Stern, and I also enjoyed the artwork of John Buscema.
LSH v3 #17

I remember this cover very well. It certainly stands out as different to the usual LSH fare or for that matter any superhero comic cover.
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Until I opened and reread the story I had no idea what it was going to be. No recollection at all. Sure once I started reading I remembered it but it obviously didn't stand out in my memory. this reading was also the first time that I made some sense of the "New Beginning". Being a new beginning for Brande fits perfectly. Being a new beginning for the Legion is subtle and a bit weak and only makes sense if you were a regular reader, understanding how the Legion was somewhat new with the founders gone, brand new members and now its financial backer leaving as well.

The story itself is OK but nothing special. I do like the charcterisation of McCauley and don't mind the nail polish joke. I was never really happy with Nura's dream being so out of whack. It works about as well as that famous quote from a certain space opera movie trilogy about a certain characters father being killed by himself when he became a bad guy "So what I told you was true ... from a certain point of view."

If this was meant to be a jumping on point for new readers, I don't think it would have worked very well. It's hard to tell from the inside but the story is average, there is some action to watch, some ongoing plots to feel like you are in the middle and missing bits, the main story about a character that new readers just met now leaving, and a very brief rather forced retelling of the Legion's founding. If I was a new reader I would be rather surprised when the man who appeared from this issue to be a major villain of the Legion (Mc Cauley, even if only incidentally) never appeared again in this series.

As a regular reader it's an ok but unnecessary story with very little sub-plot advancement and I don't think missing it would make any difference. It's been 8 issues since we last saw Brande (for all of 3 panels) and while this says goodbye it leaves hanging the Protean mystery which was why he appeared at all previously.

Artwork is nice, certainly better than some LSH artists, although I find some of the faces a bit off too. The problem for me is sometimes LaRocque makes the top of the head too low (or the bottom too long). A balanced head had the eyes in the middle between the chin and the crown, even though much of the top is covered in hair. Look at the final image of McCauley in the bottom left of page 22. Still this mostly a minor quibble and I enjoy most of it.

Interestingly it seems that Larry Mahlstedt has his own issues with some of the artwork. The panel on the D&D machine on page 5 reads "(unreadable) ... I HATE INTERLAC - LARRY". The first bit has 5 characters and the middle 3 look like EIT. It could be meant to be LEVITZ with part of the reason Larry dislikes Interlac coming out as misspelling. The panel Lightning Lass is viewing says "A NEW BEG...." presumably "a new beginning", and there is no further Interlac anywhere in the book (apart from the big L on the HQ which is easily understandable and recognisable anyway). I will be interested to see if there is any in the forthcoming issues.



The one thing I get confused about is exactly which Leland McCauley this is, III or IV.

The original, III, was introduced way back in Adventure days #374 (where he is stated to be the 2nd richest man, right after Brande) and #377 with a bigger role in the Modo/Modulus pirates story. In both cases he is portrayed as a late middle aged, portly figure with a distinctly balding head.

Here and in his previous appearance in #13 his age is indeterminate but he is slimmer (no problem when you are that rich) and has a full head of long flowing blonde hair (again no problem when you are rich) with no numerals mentioned.

A McCauley next appears in v4, again slim and with long blondish hair now tied back in a ponytail. In v4 #39 (ironically called Beginnings as well) both III and IV appear and IV is the slim ponytail one with III portrayed as portly, significantly older, and bald. III's self talk matches more with the Adventure McCauley than the one appearing here.

(We also have the arrogant youngster from Superboy #214 but although he claims Leland McCauley as his father we don't know his name nor if he is the eldest and heir.)

Based on the 2995 Mayfair Source Book there is some 15 years between the first appearance of III and the appearance of both III and IV in v4 #39. This story is 5-6 years after the Adventure story and 9-10 years before the v4 period.

All of this would make me think that this McCauley is probably IV. The fly in the ointment is the LSH Who's Who from this era specifically states that this is III. (It also states that the young boy was in fact IV.) It certainly could be that III had some surgery etc done to improve his looks which wore off during his "captivity" by his son IV. Maybe his son wears his hair longer and blond especially to show his father how he can even do his looks better.

So opinions anyone?
Originally Posted by Annfie
While I am pleasantly surprised and thrilled that you have so many kind words for LaRocque's work on this issue, I have to wonder -- who are the artists whose faces you compare unfavorably to his? Off the top of my head, I thought of Perez, whom I know is a favorite of yours, but I'm curious as to who else.


I was thinking along the comparative lines of realism and complexity in LaRocques art, when I was thinking about an answer to this one. But having done that, I think that it's simply that faces and some limb positioning isn't a strong suit at this time. It's not that this is a style that's adopted for dynamic Kirby purposes or Infantino motion either. stile86 gives some examples above. This comes with big caveats that it's on a futuristic monthly book, with a huge cast and scope that made earlier industry artists avoid it like the plague. Also, it's a time of transition for DC with a huge event to be crossed over into and that often happens at shorter notice. Not to mention he's picking up from other artists also at a bit of short notice. So, all things considered... smile

He's one of many superhero artists that are saved by distinctive hairstyles and costumes as a way of identifying the characters. These are both things he's strong in - Vi and Brin come to mind for hair and Shady for costume and ears. I don't have the issue in front of me, but I think the pen pics showed an improvement of quality, despite presumably being also drawn at fairly short notice, because he doesn't have to divert resources to backgrounds and page composition etc.


Originally Posted by stile86
The one thing I get confused about is exactly which Leland McCauley this is, III or IV.


I thought this was IV, who was the boy we saw several years ago grown up and making himself look older by having facial hair. He was spoiled back then in his little bubble world and his delusions haven;t got any better in the intervening years.
I also consider this guy to be Leland IV, although it makes more sense to me timewise that the red-haired kid in SLSH #214 is Leland the IV's son. The kid must have been 10 or so in that story. How much time has elapsed since then? Could it be as much as six or eight years? At the end of #214, he apologized for his bad behaviour and the Legionnaires thought he'd changed - so if that kid is indeed the current Leland IV grown up, maybe he hates R.J. Brande but has some good memory about the Legion (and especially Shady cuddling him).

That "I hate Interlac - Larry" is pretty good - nice little joke for readers who took the time to translate!

I didn't know that this issue was actively promoted as a new beginning and a jumping-on point for new readers and agree with others who've said the story doesn't work too well in that regard.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer


Nura must have a very good idea of how accurate her power is yet she's often put on the defensive as others question it. She's never responded in an angry manner or shown to be depressed at her teammates lack of confidence in her precognition (except in the reboot). She could just as easily respond with "I see your future and it's not pretty" snark, but doesn't. I'm not sure certain other Legionnaires would be so mature if their powers were continually questioned.


Nura could totally have fun with her precognitive abilities!

"Hey, Dirk, I see you're going out on a date. Be sure to take extra protection."

[Hours later, Dirk returns, grumbling.] "Why did you tell me to take extra protection?"

"Because I knew it would rain, silly. What did you think I meant?"

Shameless self-promotion: My own, much younger precog character has some fun with her abilities in my novel The Power Club and novella False Alarm.

Originally Posted by FC


Originally Posted by HWW
However, the story—like the break itself—takes too long to go anywhere and doesn’t amount to much.


Interesting that you must have had a similar opinion when you first read it, given the low ranking of this issue among your list!


Indeed. I suspect I'll agree with Annfie that much of this era is merely marking time. However, at least one of the next several issues reaches No. 1 on my Top 25. Anybody care to guess which one?

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I didn't mind the humour, although it did seem out of place given the tone of the story overall. That the Legionnaires stood aside struck me as their deference to him - if he wants to beat up on the rat in his nest, let him have at it. If things got out of hand, they could easily have intervened. There's also the idea that when Brande commands, the Legion jumps - which McCauley was complaining about and which we've seen in previous issues.


Those are all good explanations for the Legion's behavior, but they seem to come out of nowhere to me. I've never noticed Brande pulling the strings; mostly, he's been a benign sugar daddy--letting the Legion govern its own affairs while he simply pays the bills. Of course, the Legion runs whenever he's in trouble--but who wouldn't run to help a parental or uncle figure?

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There is a sense that McCauley is beyond the reach of the Legion due to his riches, but it could be that they have instructions from Brande to let it be and, again, stand aside at Brande's request. That's partly why I'd like to have seen McCauley go after the other characters who are richer than he is - as a villain that the Legion would pursue and eventually bring to justice.


Indeed. Nura's exact words are "Brande won't let us press charges"--which is odd; it implies that Brande has some connection/influence over the law, as does McCauley. I don't mind the Legion having an antagonist who believes he's above the law, but more should come of it than we're shown here: a grudge match between two wealthy individuals who endanger the lives of Legionnaires and civilians and know nothing can touch them. Brande and McCauley were both represented much better in the reboot--so was the Legion; they had the means to counter and influence the outcomes without looking merely like patsies.

McCauley's grudge war with other rich people might make an interesting miniseries. Call it Metropolis Crest. smile

Originally Posted by stile86
I was never really happy with Nura's dream being so out of whack. It works about as well as that famous quote from a certain space opera movie trilogy about a certain characters father being killed by himself when he became a bad guy "So what I told you was true ... from a certain point of view."


Agreed. I thought the ending was a cheesy copout--a "twist" that would have been more appropriate in the Silver Age.

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(We also have the arrogant youngster from Superboy #214 but although he claims Leland McCauley as his father we don't know his name nor if he is the eldest and heir.)


Interesting notion that the kid from 214 might be the younger brother of Leland McCauley in # 17. We never did get the kid's name.

Originally Posted by FC
I also consider this guy to be Leland IV, although it makes more sense to me timewise that the red-haired kid in SLSH #214 is Leland the IV's son. The kid must have been 10 or so in that story. How much time has elapsed since then? Could it be as much as six or eight years? At the end of #214, he apologized for his bad behaviour and the Legionnaires thought he'd changed - so if that kid is indeed the current Leland IV grown up, maybe he hates R.J. Brande but has some good memory about the Legion (and especially Shady cuddling him).


According the Mayfair Sourcebook (I have an earlier one than the one stile86 mentioned), issue 214 occurred during Year 9 (Mon-El's second term as leader), and the current year is Year 14 (Element Lad's second term), so five years have passed. I wonder if Levitz even remembered the story in 214, as there is no mention of it--and you would think McCauley and/or the Legionnaires would draw on that association, especially as trivia-minded as Levitz could be. Whatever later stories established, I like the idea of the kid being LMIV's younger brother more and more.

Since the kid doesn't seem to have a name, I propose Donald. My grandfather's name was Leland, and he had a brother named Donald. smile



I think that we're all missing the answer as to which McCauley this is. The answer is obvious. It’s none of them. The character you’re seeing here is in fact… Supergirl! This is Levitz’s way of sneaking her in under Berger’s nose, now that his plans for Sensor Girl have been refused.

Compare the bodies of Kara and Leland McCauley being carried by conspirator Kal El. The man who can travel through time, was on the scene of Kara's death and who can move at superspeed to make a switch.

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Leland... or is it the other way round...?


A big clue to Sensor Girl was to be the blonde hair. Compare the locks of Sensor Girl to Leland's.


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Clearly the Leland we're seeing here is a red kryptonite affected Supergirl, who thinks she's Leland McCauley. Supergirl has previous on identity problems as shown with her Satan Girl persona. The Legion has previous with women impersonating men, as Ayla showed early in her career.


I'd not be surprised if the "oh no" in the panel below was actually uttered by a switched Leland McCauley from the 30th century.

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Brainy spent all his time looking at Kara's moment of death in issue 16, and 18...

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... not because he was mourning. But because he was making sure his and Kal's tracks were covered. How did he even get that image if he didn't have someone on the scene?

Another Lost Tale of the Legion solving another mystery...
Of course, there is always ProFem (or whatever the masculine version is).
ProMasc, perhaps. That blonde hair - what a giveaway! And one presumes that the Television Time Viewer, or the other equipment the Legion used to spy on Superboy in Smallville, was operative to record Supergirl's death.

And the kid henceforth shall be Donald McCauley, the First.
LSH #18 "Return of the Infinite Man" or "Has Anyone Noticed a Crisis Going On?" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Larry Mahlstadt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Rond Vidar discovers there's a Crisis going on and freaks out. He runs to Brainiac 5 for answers, but a distraught Brainy can only say he doesn't remember. At Legion HQ, Jan, Tasmia and Lar prepare to send off Kid Psycho's memorial to Shangalla, but then forget how he died.

Takron Galtos is splitting apart from anti-matter. Legionnaires arrive to help SPs evacuate prisoners, but the prisoners attack the Legionnaires. Pol is suckered in by one prisoner's plea for help, then attacked, but Ayla rescues him. As a tractor beam pulls the prisoners into a transport ship, Ayla and Dirk try to remember why anti-matter is tearing the prison planet apart.

Rond and Brainy examine the anti-matter disasters sweeping across the universe; Brainy suspects something in the Time Institute is enabling them to remember while others forget these events happened. The Chronarch suggests that the Time Beacon is the reason; Brainy believes that increasing the power of the Beacon could save Earth.

On Takron-Galtos, Tellus searches for stray prisoners and unleashes Validus, who immediately goes on a rampage. Dirk and Thom rush to help and try to subdue the monster. A portal opens. Validus responds to a summon from the portal and disappears.

Using the powers of Brek, Wildfire and Lar, Brainy magnifies the Time Beacon's power. Something else else goes wrong and the Infinite Man appears, casting the Legionnaires into a space with multiple Earths. The Infinite Man has plans for vengeance, beginning with Rond Vidar.

On Takron-Galtos, the last of the prisoners are rounded up, with Dirk personally handling Regulus. Thom wonders if some have escaped while Dirk wonders why this is all happening.

At Legion HQ, Nura learns that the Infinite Man is loose and signals the other Legionnaires. Only Blok, Mysa, Jacques and Quislet are available.

At the Time Institute, Rond is protected by Brainy's force shield. The Infinite Man summons a large assortment of beings, including many of the Anti-Monitor's minions, to exact his vengeance. Nura's team arrives to help.

Takron-Galtos falls to pieces.

Jan tells Jacques to use his dimension-shifting power on the Infinite Man, but Jacques explains he can't control that power. Brainy proposes that Mysa cast an affinity spell. She does so, commanding his power to return through time to whence it came. The spell succeeds and restores the human Jaxon Rugarth. Brainy fears that with the Infinite Man gone, their world will be subjected to the worst effects of the Crisis.

On Medicus One, Dr. Gym'll treats Shadow Lass for an injury as Rond and Brainy watch a sleeping Rugarth.

Comments:
Momentous events, but I don't have the feeling that much happened. Everything spun out of control, then settled down by the last page. It was like a break in a water pipe getting plugged. Rond and Brainy freak out, the other Legionnaires are curious or puzzled, but there's no sense of any widespread panic or concern. The 20th century Crisis took 12 issues; the Legion version takes about one and a half. Could this issue be read as a stand-alone, without having followed the Crisis series? I think it could be, but it would lose a lot of the impact - the idea that the Crisis is rolling through the universe and through time.

There's a resolution of the Infinite Man/Jaxon Rugarth story, although we don't know what shape Rugarth will be in once he comes out of his sleep or coma. Once again, it was Mysa who solved the problem with magic, a counterbalance to all the science-fictiony explanation of the Time Beacon. I'd forgotten Mysa's role here and it helps to explain why she would break with the Legion later over the treatment of Rugarth.

However, there isn't necessarily a final resolution to the Crisis itself. The issue ends with Brainy wondering what happens next, leaving the door open for events in future issues.

The biggest event that has a lasting effect - apart from Supergirl's death in the previous issue - is the destruction of Takron-Galtos and the possibility of assorted missing prisoners. Kid Psycho's death is as forgettable for the reader as it becomes for the Legionnaires.

We're reminded again that Jacques doesn't fully control his powers. I'd be expecting this to be a set-up for a graceful exit.

Reading this brought to mind the Mandela Effect and I'd be curious to know if the person (or people) who first came up with that concept had read Crisis.
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Using the Infinite Man as a Legion villain in the Crisis certainly makes for a good cover. He does come from a slightly different origin though. The Infinite Man has never been involved in the existence of DC’s multiverse. The Infinite Man shows that each of those universes also repeats in a loop. Perhaps all those loops have actually been differently universes, each at different stages of development?

In Crisis continuity, this story is pitched between issues 7 and 8. However, The Infinite Man is holding back the effects of the Crisis, i.e. post Crisis continuity, I had started to think it was actually later on. That would also explain why the memories of the cast fragment, as its only when the new universe is created that the effects take place. The final caption in the issue refers readers to the final issue of the Crisis, issue 12, again indicating that events here occurred after the creation of a new universe at the end of issue 10.

But elsewhere in the story, Rond suggests that the merging worlds is currently happening, which would be after #6 but before the end of #10. Also, the destruction of Takron Galtos occurs, and that’s referenced in Crisis before the end of #10.

Confusing things even more an editorial decision was made to allow those who had been at the dawn of time to recall all of the events of the Crisis. This was due to an opinion that if they didn’t remember the events, then it would invalidate the story. Never mind that the readers would still recall everything.

Further wrinkles would be that the new DCU wasn’t ready for the end of Crisis #10 and there would be plenty of further changes as the relaunches took place. Later, DC would lump all of these into a continuity wave that swept through the DCU after the event.

Readers who liked the plot of this issue may also want to check out the All Star Squadron and Infinity Inc annuals. In those, Mekanique is performing the same function of holding back the Crisis. In those, Thomas was trying to wrap up as many loose ends as he could before the reboot. There’s less of that necessity in this story.

The first Post Crisis member of the Legion seems to be Melodrama Lad. Starting off the story with “Ayyyeeeiii” and “asunder” is not a good sign.

In the Time Institute, Rond Vidar has discovered that the Crisis has been occurring for weeks, but that none of it is being reported. Legionnaires have been involved, and we see snippets of them from the pages of Crisis, but no one has said anything. We see Kid Psycho’s death and the Legion attacking an anti-matter wave from #3. We also see the destruction of the monitor’s satellite from #6 (the Legion is tapping into AM’s omnicam feed) and even the origin points for both monitors.

Vidar is making a Supergirl memorial for Brainiac, so he still remembers her. I would have thought that Brainy would have a big enough memorial of his own, but it’s nice that someone cares. Fortunately, or rather because Levitz sneakily did this in #16, Brainy is also at the institute. He watches Kara’s death over and over. Vidar thinks that the Crisis of merging Earths is ongoing (that suggests it’s earlier than #10) and wonders why no one has mentioned it. Brainy can’t mention it, as neither he or anyone else remembered. Both Kid Psycho and Supergirl are still dead, but with Kid Psycho at least, no one remembers how they died. This seems to be linked to the idea that characters killed by the Crisis are also wiped from continuity, rather that still existing, but dying to a foe in an altered timeline. Presumably Kid Psycho’s memorial will vanish at some point.

The main action in the issue is the destruction of Takron Galtos. This forms part of the Monitor tapes in issue 10 of Crisis. There’s a suggestion it was targeted, but it may just be Harbinger blaming all such disasters generally on the work of the AM.

The Legionnaires are called to prevent escapes and to round up and evacuate the prisoners. Oddly, they keep the villains’ weapons and costumes at the facility allowing the Persuader access to his axe. Dawnstar does well in preventing a death and in getting the Fatal Five member captured. By virtue of her speed, she’s first on the scene, but doesn’t hesitate to get involved.

There’s a nice moment where the villains mistake Pol for Rokk and in him showing some naivete in getting caught out by them. It’s Ayla to the rescue, which is an early sign of the two of them getting closer. Outside of their stories, none of the villains seems to pose much threat. The LSV members are rounded up easily enough (Ayla gets a Titania rematch). Recently beaten Regulus looks beaten, and Organus doesn’t put up a fight. Dirk doesn’t mind grabbing other people’s shoulders, even if he doesn’t like it himself as per last issue.

At the Time Institute, Vidar, Brainy and Chronarch realise that people are forgetting about the event of the Crisis as quickly as they began. That includes the red skies, the storms as well as the Anti-Matter and the battles. It seems that it’s not the new universe that’s being held off, but the memories of the escalating events that are being suppressed. Takron Galtos is being destroyed, but no one knows why. Those who were summoned to various hero groupings also don’t recall them. Chronarch suggests that the beacon itself is causing these effects, if not the disasters.

On Takron Galtos, Tellus inadvertently releases Validus. The Legion do what they can to save him, but he’s just too powerful to be restrained. In an Echo of the Great Darkness Saga, Validus is saved by Darkseid, leading into events in an upcoming annual. The scene with Validus is also a tie in with Crisis 10 where the villain is seen rampaging across Takron Galtos. That isn’t what happens in the issue. But at least Validus is in the right place. In Crisis #8-9, Validus is one of the villains summoned by Brainiac and Luthor. Perhaps they were all locked up again really quickly for the events in issue 10.

To prevent further loss of memory and with a view to saving the Earth, Brainy looks to boost the power of the Time Beacon. Brek is brought in, as his powers can reduce things to absolute zero. Quite a power upgrade since his first appearance. The beacon becomes a single super conductor for Wildfire and Mon El’s energies.

Element Lad is the one who asks the question on what all of the outpouring energy is doing. Chronarch tells him that the beacon normally for travellers to guide them not only to the right temporal location… but to the right universe (a great reveal with loads of story potential that appears just before the multiverse is wiped away. smile )

There’s an “uh oh” moment at Chronarch’s reveal. If the normal beacon guides normal time travellers home, who would latch onto a boosted one? The answer is the Infinite Man. Well done Brainy. The Infinite Man’s accidental reappearance mirrors the accidental origin he had.

Back at HQ, Dream Girl summons reinforcements. None of them seem to have been reading the case files, allowing Dreamy to give the reader lots of information on the Legion’s past with the villain. Quislet looks forward to meeting the huge danger.

The Infinite Man would like us to know that he could wipe us all out at any time he wanted. Any time. Anywhere. He’s not stopped by Higher Plot Powers from doing so you understand. He just prefers to have minions do it for him. Just like last time, and that turned out really well for him.

The minions he does summon are excellent though. We get an alternate Legion of sorts. As they’ve all come from different ages, they are a shoo in for time travel Legion stories. Ryssa of Titan is an Imra/Jeckie mix.

Element Lad comes up with a good plan, and its nice to see that while it doesn’t get far, it inspires another solution. It’s a shame that it’s Brainy that comes up with it. Perhaps it’s a way of Levitz getting him to atone for summoning the Infinite Man in the first place, as well as all that intelligence. Mysa shows her power levels by getting the Crisis energies to reabsorb the energy taken by the Infinite Man. Better still, Jaxon Rugarth is returned to them.

With the villain removed, his play mates go too. The effects of the Crisis will now hit the 30th century. There’s no more mention of them helping to stop the merging worlds here. There’s a mention of the final issue of Crisis, but that’s in a new DCU. None of the Legion are part of that battle.

The issue’s meanwhile column is a guest spot from Levitz talking about the identity of Sensor Girl, summarising what we already know and telling us that she’s appeared in the Legion many times. It mentions Supergirl for a couple of the options, and lets us know that the Legionnaires would also share a lot of these guesses.

As DC’s premier science fiction book, the Legion is in an odd place when it comes to the Crisis. If it all centred around 1985, why don’t the Legion know everything that happened? If Supergirl died, why haven’t we seen more of their mourning of the event before? This, and issue 16 were Levitz’s attempts to try and address these issues.

But it seems to have its chronology a little mixed up. We have the cast forgetting things before the universe is reset at the dawn of time. If its set after that, then the Takron Galtos scenes are out of sequence. Crisis and its logistics were a big task so it’s more important that the issue is a good read. It’s okay, in that it’s fulfilling a crossover function. The threat seems personal to the Legion, with Kid Psycho, Supergirl’s deaths and Brainy’s instability. The Infinite Man is certainly a big enough threat.

Li’l thoth in Elsenwhen

Legionnaires 3 #1 gives us three Legion books this month!

Steve Lightle does a backup 5 pager in Outsiders #3. That will probably be due to a number of DC Baxter books going without ads.

Who’s Who, with The Infinite Man, Invisible Kids and Insect Queen, and Crisis are both at #11

Superman #415 reveals Supergirl’s secret marriage. It’s wasn’t Brainy or the Merguy either.

With reboots not too far away, it’s the last issue of World’s Finest ending on issue 323.

The Justice League of Detroit is over as of #246 as they relocate to their old HQ in Happy Harbour.

Lots of stabbing in Batman 391, as the Nightslayer/ Nocturna story reaches a conclusion. It continues in Detective 558.

A Brian Bolland cover of Elvia’s House of Mystery #1 would certainly have boosted sales.

Guy Gardner, the new Green Lantern, graces the cover of GL 196. He faces off against John Stewart at the end. Hal also appears to pass along the torch.

‘Mazing Man launched this month. Far too silly for me to have bought at the time. But it’s an issue with heart. >sniff<

The Omega Men (#34) get into a crossover with the Teen Titans (#16). I don’t think I’ve read that Titans one, but I probably have it somewhere.

More Crisis crossovers in Infinity Inc 22, with the Monitor’s satellite scene and featuring the new Doc Midnite and Hourman. Roy Thomas gets every ounce form the max-series by also tying it into All Star Squadron #53, where the team face the Monster Society of Evil.

The Truth about Looker continues with Alan Davis art in BatO 29

Li’l thoth got Justice League, Tales of the Teen Titans, Tales of the LoSH, Batman, World’s Finest, Who’s Who and Crisis.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
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Using the Infinite Man as a Legion villain in the Crisis certainly makes for a good cover. He does come from a slightly different origin though. The Infinite Man has never been involved in the existence of DC’s multiverse. The Infinite Man shows that each of those universes also repeats in a loop. Perhaps all those loops have actually been differently universes, each at different stages of development?


A Douglas Nolan follow-up, which would've been more multiverse specific, probably would've been more interesting.

Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by thoth lad
LoSH v3 18
Using the Infinite Man as a Legion villain in the Crisis certainly makes for a good cover. He does come from a slightly different origin though. The Infinite Man has never been involved in the existence of DC’s multiverse. The Infinite Man shows that each of those universes also repeats in a loop. Perhaps all those loops have actually been differently universes, each at different stages of development?


A Douglas Nolan follow-up, which would've been more multiverse specific, probably would've been more interesting.


It sure seems, though, that Douglas Nolan was always intended as a one-shot character, never meant to be referenced again. (Can't remember if he ever got mentions later, but it sure seems like he didn't, at least during Levitz's tenure.) This kinda suits the nature of LSH 300 and both its primarily self-contained adventure and its larger purpose as an alternate history exploration and an Adult Legion debunker.
I imagine that Levitz didn't really want to go over not just recent ground, but as Paladin says a character with a specific goal within issue #300.

Douglas got a mention from Andrew when he was a character in the Mordruverse and that adult story of course.
Yeah, I was gonna say he never got mentioned again, but I had a germ of a memory from that story and post-boot, too, I think. Otherwise he was a great one-shot story device.
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In spite of the character histrionics, the Crisis tie-in, and the blundering (again) of Brainy, I enjoyed this issue. If you've got to do a Big Event tie-in, this one isn't too bad. It begins with Rond realizing that events have been happening that no one remembers (shades of Anti-Lad!) and snapping Brainy out of his self-pity. Work truly is the best cure for heartbreak, at least for Brainiac 5, and, in short order, he and his colleagues have figured out what's happening and how to stop it. Never mind the technobabble about the time beacon; the latter provides a direction for the characters to act and a reasonably good one that builds off previous stories. The destruction of Takron-Galtos (a Crisis sacrificial lamb, and a more significant one than the poor, unlamented Kid Psycho) increases the tension and allows a significant number of our heroes to get in on the event. Nura's call to action at HQ serves the same function, and, even though most Legionnaires get only a few short scenes before being abandoned by the narrative (Brek, Jacques, Quislet), I didn't mind. They served their purpose in the story (well, except Quislet; I'm still not sure what purpose he serves in the series. smile ).

Brainy redeems himself--both for his Kara fixation and for unleashing the Infinite Man--by finding the solution. I thought it was a good touch that he took Element Lad's idea and ran with it. This is teamwork. It shows how someone can come up with an idea and, though it may not work, it leads to an even greater idea. Good teams don't care who gets the credit or who comes up with the final plan; everyone contributes.

I also thought it was well handled how several characters worry about memory lapses. With the prevalence of Alzheimer's disease, loss of memory is a serious issue. I'm not sure I would jump to Mon-El's concern about "something wrong with our world" so quickly, but, for Brainy--whose brain is the source of his power and identity--loss of control would be especially frightening.

There are also several good touches, such as Dawnstar singlehandedly capturing the Persuader, Pol's newbie status resulting in a punch in the face, and Tellus's newbie status causing him to release Validus (and, you can't destroy a good villain, so Darkseid's boom tube arrives just in time). I also think Jan demonstrates good leadership because he knows he's out of his depth and leaves it to Brainy and others to call the shots.

The story ends without the initial problem being resolved, but I'm fine with that. It does resolve the Infinite Man/Jaxon Rugarth story--not that anyone was asking for such a resolution after all this time. But our heroes earn a decisive victory for a change.

I really liked this one at the time, too, as my Top 25 of October 15, 1985, shows:

1. Nightcrawler # 3 -- Marvel
2. Star Trek # 22 -- DC
3. Iron Man # 202 -- Marvel
4. New Teen Titans # 16 -- DC
5. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 11 -- DC
6. West Coast Avengers # 5 -- Marvel
7. Captain America # 313 -- Marvel
8. Infinity Inc. # 21 --Marvel
9. Legion of Super-Heroes # 18 -- DC
10. Squadron Supreme # 6 -- Marvel

11. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 4 -- Marvel
12. Blue Devil # 19 -- DC
13. Justice League of America # 246 -- DC
14. Nexus # 17 -- First
15. Power Man & Iron Fist # 121 -- Marvel
16. Amazing Spider-Man # 272 -- Marvel
17. All-Star Squadron # 53 -- DC
18. Superman # 415 -- DC
19. Fantastic Four # 286 -- Marvel
20. Green Lantern # 196 -- DC

21. DC Challenge # 3 -- DC
22. Fury of Firestorm # 43 -- DC
23. Legionnaires 3 # 1 -- DC
24. New Defenders # 151 -- Marvel
25. Avengers # 263 -- Marvel
Originally Posted by Paladin


It sure seems, though, that Douglas Nolan was always intended as a one-shot character, never meant to be referenced again. (Can't remember if he ever got mentions later, but it sure seems like he didn't, at least during Levitz's tenure.) This kinda suits the nature of LSH 300 and both its primarily self-contained adventure and its larger purpose as an alternate history exploration and an Adult Legion debunker.


I wouldn't really describe him as a "one-shot character", since he'd appeared before, which is why he's used in LSH #300. The point is, though, that LSH #300 *is* the most prominent use of the multiverse idea in Legion history, so if you're going to have a Crisis crossover, one that referenced that story would probably have made more sense than bringing back the Infinite Man, who I don't think anyone was clamoring to see return. Plus DN was specifically described as "having a will that defied the Time Beacon" or some such, so, if looking for a character to stave off the effects of Crisis and stuff like that, he'd make a lot of sense. I believe there's a discussion of him in one of the letter columns post-Crisis as well.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by Paladin


It sure seems, though, that Douglas Nolan was always intended as a one-shot character, never meant to be referenced again. (Can't remember if he ever got mentions later, but it sure seems like he didn't, at least during Levitz's tenure.) This kinda suits the nature of LSH 300 and both its primarily self-contained adventure and its larger purpose as an alternate history exploration and an Adult Legion debunker.


I wouldn't really describe him as a "one-shot character", since he'd appeared before, which is why he's used in LSH #300. The point is, though, that LSH #300 *is* the most prominent use of the multiverse idea in Legion history, so if you're going to have a Crisis crossover, one that referenced that story would probably have made more sense than bringing back the Infinite Man, who I don't think anyone was clamoring to see return. Plus DN was specifically described as "having a will that defied the Time Beacon" or some such, so, if looking for a character to stave off the effects of Crisis and stuff like that, he'd make a lot of sense. I believe there's a discussion of him in one of the letter columns post-Crisis as well.


That's fair enough. But I doubt that Paul himself had any desire to revisit Douglas, even if it would have served the story. I'm sure, however, that he'd had it in the back of his mind to revisit the Infinite Man at some point since he'd created the character years before and left his story unresolved. In a preface to whatever hardcover introduced the IM, Paul lists him as one of his significant character contributions to Legion lore. Whether fans feel the same is debatable, but Paul clearly had some fondness for him.
Oh, yeah, I agree completely that this is basically Paul using Crisis as an excuse to bring back a character from one of his own earliest Legion stories. I'm pretty sure no one other than PL has ever used the Infinite Man for anything however...
Comments:

Originally Posted by Cramer
It was like a break in a water pipe getting plugged. Rond and Brainy freak out, the other Legionnaires are curious or puzzled, but there's no sense of any widespread panic or concern.


It seems that everyone forgot the events and then forgot the panic of disjointed memories when they forgot the connections around the events too. But it does lessen that wider tension.


Originally Posted by Cramer
The 20th century Crisis took 12 issues; the Legion version takes about one and a half. Could this issue be read as a stand-alone, without having followed the Crisis series? I think it could be, but it would lose a lot of the impact - the idea that the Crisis is rolling through the universe and through time.


It also seems at odds within events of the Crisis book too. They’re forgetting things too soon in the Crisis plot, so it might be as well to be read more as a stand alone.


Originally Posted by Cramer
I'd forgotten Mysa's role here and it helps to explain why she would break with the Legion later over the treatment of Rugarth.


Good point. That feeds in really well to later events.

Originally Posted by Cramer
We're reminded again that Jacques doesn't fully control his powers. I'd be expecting this to be a set-up for a graceful exit.


It could have fed into a longer arc concerning his sister, and her eventual membership in the team.

Originally Posted by Cramer
It begins with Rond realizing that events have been happening that no one remembers (shades of Anti-Lad!)


If Supergirl or Kid Psycho had been wearing such cool shades, they would never have been bumped off. smile

Originally Posted by HWW
Good teams don't care who gets the credit or who comes up with the final plan; everyone contributes.


And in good teams, [i[everyone[/i] should contribute to releasing giant beings with deadly cosmic powers…no…wait… smile

Originally Posted by HWW
…but, for Brainy--whose brain is the source of his power and identity--loss of control would be especially frightening.


Brainy’s reaction in the Universo saga is what I think of when I see him like this.

Originally Posted by HWW
The story ends without the initial problem being resolved, but I'm fine with that. It does resolve the Infinite Man/Jaxon Rugarth story--not that anyone was asking for such a resolution after all this time. But our heroes do have a decisive victory for a change.


The Legionnaires return to HQ and Jan, as leader, is keen to give credit where its due…

Jan: I’m glad you thought of Mysa as being able to find the solution, Brainy.
Querl: It seemed the obvious choice considering your idea regarding Jacques.
Jan: Even then, it was touch and go. We might have lost had Ryssa not frozen Rugarth’s mind.
Querl: Yes Ryssa. You have been invaluable since joining us.
Ryssa: A simple task for one of my station.

Ryssa smiles disarmingly, as Brainy wonders when exactly Ryssa joined the Legion. It’s not something he dwells on as the crimson waves of Crisis sweep once more over the Time Institute and beyond.

Originally Posted by HWW
Top 25 of October 15, 1985


With the exception of Iron Man…actually.. I think at the time the next one I read was over a year after #200… I wouldn’t have read any of the Marvel ones listed. I picked up odd issues of Squad Supreme later on, having heard a lot about it (and having seen the Official Handbook) before reading it all.

Originally Posted by Paladin
That's fair enough. But I doubt that Paul himself had any desire to revisit Douglas, even if it would have served the story. I'm sure, however, that he'd had it in the back of his mind to revisit the Infinite Man at some point since he'd created the character years before and left his story unresolved. In a preface to whatever hardcover introduced the IM, Paul lists him as one of his significant character contributions to Legion lore. Whether fans feel the same is debatable, but Paul clearly had some fondness for him.


I’d agree with this regarding Douglas. I look on the Infinite Man as a Trapper upgrade, prior to the Trapper becoming a more cosmic avatar figure. Rugarth’s existence might have resulted in part in that line of thinking for the Trapper. Moving away form the purple cloak and its pulp leanings would have been considered a plus. Not to mention Rugarth seemed a little more direct in bringing agents into combat the team. No cackling behind an iron curtain for him.
Originally Posted by thoth
Originally Posted by HWW
Top 25 of October 15, 1985


With the exception of Iron Man…actually.. I think at the time the next one I read was over a year after #200… I wouldn’t have read any of the Marvel ones listed. I picked up odd issues of Squad Supreme later on, having heard a lot about it (and having seen the Official Handbook) before reading it all.


Marvel was one quarter of my childhood; DC was another quarter. Even at this stage, they still were pretty much half and half of my comics reading. However, in the next week's chart, Miracleman from Eclipse Comics debuted at No. 1, signaling the beginning of a major transition: Indies would become more prominent and Marvel would start to wane.
I thought that you'd been doing pretty well on the Indy front already with Nexus, Dalgoda, normal man, Zot! and the Eagle Comics.
I was, but they would become more prominent as time went on.

Looking at the last few lists, I'm struck by how Nexus is the only real indie mainstay. Zot! and Dalgoda had ended, though temporarily. (Zot! would return as a black and white title, running from issues # 11-38; Dalgoda was concluded in a four-issue mini-series called Flesh & Bones.) I tried a few others here and there, but nothing really clicked. I think I was so used to Marvel and DC super-heroes being the dominant genre of comics that I wasn't really receptive anything else. So myopic was I that I wrote an article called "How to Improve the Alternate Comics' Success," which was published in Comics Buyer's Guide in 1986; my basic argument was that the indies should be more like Marvel and DC. In CBG's letter column, "Oh, So?" well-known writers such as John Ostrander (who at the time was writing Grimjack) and Jan Strnad (Dalgoda) responded by pointing out the error in my thinking: They weren't out to be like Marvel and DC; they wanted to do something unique and original, to add "spice" to the comics industry, as Ostrander put it.

I gradually began to see their point of view, and I think it was Miracleman that pushed me more in that direction. Though ostensibly a super-hero title, it was really a horror story. It helped me to open up to what super-heroes and/or comics could be. Within the next few years, I was reading Airboy, The American (Dark Horse), Whisper, and other things that could barely be described as super-hero or which offered challenging takes on the genre.
I hadn't thought of Miracleman as a horror story, so much as a fairly straight extrapolation of the super-genre. Horrific moments, sure, but firmly framed in the world of capes. I'll give that some thought, thanks HWW.
I have to admit that when it comes to the divisions between genres, I'm on uncertain ground. I just watched Season 2, Episode 8 of "Stranger Things" on Netflix. It is a horror story? Yes. It is a retro '80s story? Yes. Is it a story about young heroes teaming up against impossible odds? Most definitely. The best stories, in my opinion, defy genre but combine elements of several different things to create something unique. Miracleman, Zot! and the Legion at its best did this.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Oh, yeah, I agree completely that this is basically Paul using Crisis as an excuse to bring back a character from one of his own earliest Legion stories. I'm pretty sure no one other than PL has ever used the Infinite Man for anything however...


He was used in Justice League United (writer Jeff Lemire), along with the Legion and that awful blue baby from Levitz's Legion story - maybe it was Levitz's suggestion.

I hadn't thought of Douglas Noland - that would have been an interesting choice for this Crisis tie-in, although it would have required dumping Douglas back into mental instability. Rugarth freed of Infinite Man was a more positive solution.

Thanks thoth for outlining all the issue mismatches. At this point, who remembers the pre-Crisis events - Brainy, Rond and Chronarch?

BTW, I noticed another hand on the shoulder which thoth had mentioned for the previous issue. This time it's Dirk grabbing Thom and Thom reacting badly. Looks like it is a Levitz thing.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
He was used in Justice League United (writer Jeff Lemire), along with the Legion and that awful blue baby from Levitz's Legion story - maybe it was Levitz's suggestion.


Thanks for the reminder of that one. I had wiped it from memory.


Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
At this point, who remembers the pre-Crisis events - Brainy, Rond and Chronarch?


Those three in the story, and presumably others close to the Time Beacon in the institute. The memory differences are clearer for the Legion as they were involved in the Crisis. Dave on reception in the institute is unable to tell the difference between his pre Crisis synthi-caf and his post Crisis synthi-caf.


Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
BTW, I noticed another hand on the shoulder which thoth had mentioned for the previous issue. This time it's Dirk grabbing Thom and Thom reacting badly. Looks like it is a Levitz thing.


Wolfman: C'mon Paul! Let's go! The engines running and there are two campuses I want to pick up college girls from on our way to the convention! It's all research for Terry's character of course!
Levitz: None of them... will touch my...shoulder...will they...?
Wolman (in full Terry Long mode): They'll only want your shoulder to cry on, once Terry here breaks their hearts...
Hey, Re-Readers,

I've been trying for days to come up with something to say about Baxter Legion 18, and all I've got it is, "How awesomely drawn are pages 11-12, the ones with Tellus and Validus? Take THAT, LaRocque haters!"

As I alluded to in my review of Baxter Legion 17, the next several issues could, in theory, be interchangeably reviewed by me using this handy form:

"I find a good amount of LaRocque's art in _____ scrumptious, especially ______ and ______! Shame that inker Larry Mahlstedt seems to be phoning it in on at least half the pages, especially ________ and _____. And even greater shame that Levitz's writing is so lazy and sloppy *yet again,* especially ______ and ________. I mean, can you *believe* Karen Berger didn't flag down Levitz for ______ and _______ and _______ and _________? In summary, this latest heaping helping of 100% pure eye-candy once again proves to be delicious, but not nutritious."

So I'll probably be only chiming in from time to time for a while, until we reach the Legion vs. Sarya's New Fatal Five battle in 25-26. I will *definitely* do full reviews of those.
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Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
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LSH #19"The Deathworld of Tyr!" or "To Control a World" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Larry Mahlstadt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by Augustin Mas

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On Manna-V, Legionnaires are protecting agricultural crops from giant waves when Tinya suddenly disappears, followed by Jo. Gim calls the HQ for help; Brin downplays the situation but Blok calls Jan. Jan considers it might be the work of Zymyr or someone with a particular grudge against Jo and Tinya. Then Jan starts to disappear.

At SP headquarters, an angry Chief Zendak berates his force for lack of progress on the matter of the brainwashed officers.

Legionnaires meet to discuss the disappearance of five Legionnaires; in addition to Jo, Tinya and Jan, Violet and Cham are missing. Lar points out that these same five vanished before and the Legion was unable to find them. Brek asks that the situation be explained to the new members. Sensor Girl offers help, but is interrupted by the appearance of a Controller, who says he took the five in order to complete a task that they presumptiously interrupted.

The Controller has taken the five to the edge of their galaxy and explains that by destroying the Limbo world, they have allowed the arrival of Tyrraz, a planet dedicated to destroying other worlds. The Sun-Eater was being constructed to destroy Tyrraz; when the Legionnaires destroyed it, this Controller was punished and relieved of much of his power - so he needs the help of the Legionnaires and considers it their duty to right the wrong they have caused.

At HQ, Mysa uses a spell to detect the lost Legionnaires, but passes out as the Controller's power overwhelms her. Brainy rebuffs a comforting word from Tasmia. Lar and Sensor Girl fail to detect the missing team mates. Wildfire complains that they don't know what Sensor Girl's powers are and flies off with Dawnstar to search; Lar joins them. Brainy watches Sensor Girl and obsesses over the mystery of her powers and her identity.

As the Legionnaires attack Tyrraz, a miniature Violet is knocked unconscious; Tinya catches her. A soldier appears and demands to take Tinya to his captain, or he'll kill her. If she phases, she loses Violet but Jo arrives in the nick of time and rescues them. The soldier alerts his captain to fire on the intruders. On the asteroid, the Controller tells Jan that this destructive world would have been destroyed, but for the Legionnaires. Jan responds that he would wreck the Sun-Eater again, since no one has the right to destroy an inhabited world. The Controller asks what Jan will do when Tyrraz reaches one of this galaxy's inhabited worlds.

Comments:

This is a good continuation and melding of a stories from long ago (the first Tyr appearance in Superboy #197 & #199) and not so long ago (the Limbo planet destruction in LSH #8). Not that anyone was asking for a return of Tyr, but the idea that the Controller's Sun-Eater was designed for a benign purpose may have lingered in more recent memories.

Of the five Legionnaires taken by the Controller to fix the mess they created (a very nice lesson on consequences), only Cham was actively involved in the original Tyr story - he impersonated Tyr. So you'd think we'd get a flashback explanation from him when he hears the words "Tyrraz" and "destruction", but no panel time is wasted on that. (Of course, it's only when we see the guard attack Violet and Tinya that it's confirmed to be the same race as Tyr.) In a similar vein, Brek asks for the new Legionnaires what the original disappearance was about, but we don't get a full-page summary of that story. Skipping the backstories makes for a tighter tale, while not sacrificing anything the reader needs to know.

I like the idea that the super-powerful Controller got demoted/depowered for the Sun-Eater screw-up. Consequences again - and he's going after the brats he blames for it.

Brin's reaction to news of the disappearance is curious; I'm not sure what's intended here. He was mind-controlled by Tyr in the original story - is his nonchalance an effect of that? Could he somehow sense that Tyr is involved? Or is he just on a happy-go-lucky high now that he's inherited billions of credits?

That Brin was mind-controlled by Tyr raises the possiblity (albeit remote) that the brainwashed SP officers may have come under Tyr's influence as well.

Brainy teeters on the edge of madness - you just feel the instability, as he does himself, as he begins to obsess over Sensor Girl. Ex-girlfriend Tasmia tries to offer a comforting word but is rebuffed. I wonder just how close those two were/are. He's been weeping about his hopeless love for Kara, so perhaps he doesn't want to be reminded of a little fling with Tasmia.

Lar is particularly anxious to find the missing Legionnaires and seeks action over talk. I get the sense that the responsibility of his considerable powers weighs on him. Tasmia's hand on his arm suggests she's concerned he's becoming overwrought during the meeting. Brainy's in a similar position: he's expected to come up with answers, yet he doesn't have any in this case.

Jan is growing into his leadership nicely; he calmly assesses the news of Jo and Tinya's disappearance before he himself is taken and he's the one who defends the destruction of the Limbo planet to the Controller. He's also the quickest to understand the situation once the Controller has seized the five.

This looks like a version of the Trolley Problem - the Legionnaires have to choose between destroying Tyrraz (and thereby killing sentients) or opposing the Controller's order and letting Tyrraz destory other planets. It's a good way to end the issue, leaving one curious as to how they'll resolve the problem.

I'm not much of one to comment on the art, but the scenes with the Controller addressing the Legionnaires in their HQ are particularly striking.
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LaRocque’s art brings us some good costumes, great hair and some nice movement in the action sequences. The holo of Gim at the meeting table is a nice touch, and would be used considerably later on. Mahstedt and Gafford assist admirably on this issue, adding to LaRocque’s good points, and helping out on the weaker ones.

The story continues from the Lost Legionnaires story at the end of the opening arc on Orando. There, they prevented the creation of a Sun Eater. Now they must confront the menace that the Sun Eater was being created to destroy.

Karen Berger was probably quite pleased with this one. It picks up on an earlier story containing a big Legion threat and increases the stakes.

The inclusion of the SP investigation is a little pointless, as far as the rest of the story goes, and I’d have preferred a Vi & Cham scene instead. But later I’d be moaning that the investigation plot wasn’t getting any attention. The solution would have been to have Vi/Cham helping out on that investigation when they disappeared combining both plots.

In summary, it’s starts off with action on a lesser mission and grows in scope from there, while continuing a couple of in-team subplots. It also has a clear test of the Legion’s code at the end. While I was indifferent to the previous story, despite it looking fine on paper, I enjoyed this one more than I remembered doing on previous reads.

We get a nice opening where the Legion are helping in a rescue effort. Jo struts his stuff, while Gim lets us know that this is his favourite type of mission. I don’t think the locals are thrilled about things though. Back at HQ, Brin figures out why he and Blok are on monitor duty when Jan is on the base. It’s a shame they’re seen as a bit of comic relief. Not helped by Gim calling Brin dense, when Jo and Tinya vanish.

In a subplot, Zendak is getting his officers to investigate their brainwashed colleagues. President Desai is particularly keen to get results, or at least keep tabs on how things are proceeding, as we’ll see.

We don’t see Cham or Vi’s disappearance, which is a shame. But it’s not lost on anyone at the Legion meeting as to why it’s those five who have been kidnapped.

Levitz gets in a little of Mon El being proactive enough for Shady to want to calm him, which is part of a subplot. As is Sensor Girl announcing that she may be placed to help find the missing. That links through this story, as well as into future ones. The inclusion of Mon-El’s unseen serum issues and the Sensor Girl mystery, makes me look back to Brin’s comments. I think this is an attempt to show him as being strongly intuitive as far as subplots go. He says that their disappearance is nothing to worry about. Very broadly that’s true in that they’ve not been captured by terrible enemies. They’ve been taken to perform a mission, as per a few of the old Adventure stories. This might well be Levitz not giving us a clue to Sensor Girl’s identity, but to the person who’ll “solve” it.

There’s an interesting parallel in both Querl and Lar going through emotional turmoil. For someone considered by some writers to be completely in control, some of Brainy’s colleagues are already worrying about him. But It’s only Shady who’s currently worried about Lar.

Rather than continue with something both cast and reader knows, Levitz simply has the Controller appear and confirm things to them. He returns to the missing and gives the reader a summary of the previous story, while give us a little action as Tyrraz attacks them.

The Controller has had a lot of his power stripped from him, and it appears this will result in his dying. He’s still incredibly powerful. He’s looking to fulfil his mission and in Controller style needs tools to do it, namely the Legion.

Back at HQ, the Legion play “Let’s replace Dawny.” It’s a fun game where everyone pretends to have tracking powers to undermine the person on the team with tracking powers. It’s more fun when it’s finding keys, as Dawny’s powers don’t work so well in an atmosphere.

Mysa, Lar and Sensor Girl all have a go, while Drake and Dawny get ready to leave. Dawny couldn’t track them last time, but seems confident.

What’s surprising, and against comic tradition is that the Controller left masses of distinctive energy in their own meeting room, and none of that is being used to trace him.

Sensor Girl’s attempts to locate the missing are a link to the increasing uncertainty over her powers, as felt by her team mates. She’s also being monitored by a Brainy still distraught over the loss of Kara.

Near Tyrraz, Jan reiterates the Legion code vs killing and is unwilling to take any lives on Tyrraz. The Controller wonders if Jan will feel the same way, as the death world is approaching an inhabited planet.
Second Story

Doctor Gym’ll seems to stand in for Brainy in this story, where Jacques has the choice to give up his teleportation power, his invisibility power…or both. We learn that he has studies to return to, but not what they are. He may also quite like a family in the future. He also thinks about the accidental origin he had. We learn that he feels guilty over the death resulting from his powers, even if he was cleared.

While he faces a choice about continuing to be a Legionnaire, he doesn’t question his place with them, which was part of his earlier role. When he interrupts a gang of pirates (sadly, no Organus with them) his instinct and actions make his decision. He keeps his invisibility and remains a Legionnaire.

It’s a small tale that builds on his previous choices. It bucks the trend of ever more powerful heroes. Even here, Jacques doesn’t catch all the crooks himself. He calls in the heavy hitters for that. He has a place in the team, but the team is about more than power players.

It’s always nice to see Chick Patton’s art. It would have been lovely to have a Tales book alternating between Lightle, Shoemaker, Jurgens and Patton art.
Li’l thoth in Elsenwhen

Of Legion interest this month is Booster Gold #1 where we clearly see the Legion Flight Ring he’s wearing. It’s a solid opening issue, hinting at his past and setting him up as a commercially driven hero.

Amethyst has a Crisis crossover. The Doctor Fate Lords of Order and Chaos would be appearing across a number of books in the years to come. Here, Amethyst’s origin is added to, making her father a minor Lord of Order. It makes Amy the first Lord of Order in human form. She’s also been blinded by the Crisis and left on her world by a meanie Doctor Fate. Plenty of Bits fodder in this one.

Karate Kid and the Khunds are in Who’s Who #12…as is Kole.

The grave of Kid Psycho appears in Ambush Bug Stocking Stuffer, being checked off a list by Jonni DC, The Continuity Cop. The old rocketship clubhouse also appears as does the current HQ. Tenzil gets some dialogue (but you don’t see him) and Jonni discovers that Supergirl’s (off panel) body is covered in tears of steel. The art and some of the silliness is down to Giffen.

There’s no Legion in the Crisis finale, but the clock has definitely started ticking down to the Superman revamp sans Superboy.

Paul Levitz writes #4 of DC Challenge.

Hal Jordan gets a ring back in GL #197, as Guy Gardner leads a team of villains to Qward. This is very much like an abandoned part of an earlier Crisis plot.

DC Comics #90 gives us a post Criss, but pre revamped Captain Atom. I remember it as a by-the-numbers Kupperberg tale.

The Crisis logo seems to be stuck on Infinity Inc. In #23 we see the Wildcat scenes from a different perspective, meet Solomon Grundy, travel to Northwind’s home and Jade and Brainwave hook up.

It’s the same over on All Star Squadron #54 as Firebrand gathers together an unlikely team GA Supes, Bats and Robin guest, as Thomas would know he couldn’t use them for much longer.

Firestorm battles Typhoon in a similarly unexciting tale. It might be the Kayanana art I don’t take to, although Conway couldn’t be far from moving on after the JLD.

Andy Helfer had taken over as editor and already had big plans for the book. Conway wouldn’t be the writer who would see those come into effect. JLA 247 sees the team investigate their old Happy Harbour HQ.

Aquaman has left the league, but gets a mini-series and the cover of #1 features his impressive new ocean coloured costume. I much preferred this one at the time, although I didn’t actually get the mini for many years.

Catwoman spends a night on the town with Batman in #392. Except they keep getting interrupted by crooks. Selena makes the comment about Bats having a lot of partners for a loner. Something else else that will be feeding into the JLA shortly.

The Omega Men have a Teen Titans crossover, as they face X’Hal! Well, the Titans have about a page or two before the Omega Men face X’Hal. It’s a cheeky crossover presumably used as a sales boost.

The Titans would go off into #17 of their own title where Kory gets married, and it’s not to Nightwing as those little teaser ads said. I wasn’t that keen on them at the time as the two were such a couple. I’m still not convinced.

Elsewhere Stilleta makes a good attempt to attract readers in Hex; The Looker has almost arrived in BatO 30; The Outsiders battle Force of July in Russia (there were a lot of these stories back then from Justice League through Green Lantern to Suicide Squad) in their Baxter title

Li’l thoth got: DC Comics Presents, JLA, Tales of the Titans, Tales of the Legion, Batman, Crisis 12, Who’s Who, All Star Squadron, Crisis.
Originally Posted by Cramer
…but the idea that the Controller's Sun-Eater was designed for a benign purpose may have lingered in more recent memories.


Before I forget again, the Controllers use here coincides with their use in Crisis, tying in a lot of the post Crisis history for DC. I wonder if Levitz felt the need to complete the story before Crisis #12. Perhaps setting it later would have allowed him to use some of that new history in the story. Although, he has said he preferred to stay out of the main DC when he could.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Of the five Legionnaires taken by the Controller to fix the mess they created (a very nice lesson on consequences), only Cham was actively involved in the original Tyr story - he impersonated Tyr. So you'd think we'd get a flashback explanation from him when he hears the words "Tyrraz" and "destruction", but no panel time is wasted on that… That Brin was mind-controlled by Tyr raises the possiblity (albeit remote) that the brainwashed SP officers may have come under Tyr's influence as well.


I hadn’t thought about the original Tyr story at all. Thanks for the update Cramer. The mind control thing could have made for a more interesting, lengthier plot also acting as a red herring for the true culprit later on.

Originally Posted by Cramer
…In a similar vein, Brek asks for the new Legionnaires what the original disappearance was about, but we don't get a full-page summary of that story. Skipping the backstories makes for a tighter tale, while not sacrificing anything the reader needs to know.


I agree with that here. Although it might be saying something about readerships following stories more in this direct market age, compared to Weisinger’s ideas about their age and tenure as readers.
Originally Posted by Cramer
I like the idea that the super-powerful Controller got demoted/depowered for the Sun-Eater screw-up. Consequences again - and he's going after the brats he blames for it.


Controller: And I would have become Head Controller, if it weren't for you meddling kids. Why don’t you mind your own business?
Chief Zendak: It’s Science Police business now. Thanks kids!
Daphne Damsel: It was nothing. We’re glad to have broken up his Multiversal Sun Eater smuggling ring. Right Scooby?
Super Scooby: Rat’s Right!

Shaggy: >Banned by the Comics Code…<

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brainy teeters on the edge of madness - you just feel the instability, as he does himself, as he begins to obsess over Sensor Girl. Ex-girlfriend Tasmia tries to offer a comforting word but is rebuffed. I wonder just how close those two were/are. He's been weeping about his hopeless love for Kara, so perhaps he doesn't want to be reminded of a little fling with Tasmia.


That’s a very interesting observation about Shady. She’s certainly in a position to spot the signs with Querl, considering what she’s dealing with off panel with Lar. That could be deliberate from Levitz.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Jan is growing into his leadership nicely; he calmly assesses the news of Jo and Tinya's disappearance before he himself is taken and he's the one who defends the destruction of the Limbo planet to the Controller. He's also the quickest to understand the situation once the Controller has seized the five.


I’d agree that Jan did well in this issue.

Originally Posted by Cramer
This looks like a version of the Trolley Problem - the Legionnaires have to choose between destroying Tyrraz (and thereby killing sentients) or opposing the Controller's order and letting Tyrraz destroy other planets.


With the Legion trolley problem:-
Lar can save everyone
Querl goes back in time to make sure no one was anywhere near the trolley
The Trolley turns out to be the one owned by Dr Mayavale who tries to run everyone over in countless previous lives.
LSH 19
Due to the hectic nature of this alternate dimension known as RL, I’m going to have to keep my reviews short and to the point for a while.

“No Good Deed Goes Unpunished” is based on an intriguing and original premise that the Legionnaires’ previous actions have led to unintended consequences. There’s a truism that heroes of all kinds don’t always have complete information, and sometimes they have a split second to act, such as a police officer shooting a suspect or a soldier returning fire to the enemy. This nasty reality intrudes in the Legion universe. Jo, Tinya, Cham, Vi, and Jan learn that the Controller world they destroyed 11 issues ago was really a source of weapons to confront an even bigger threat, and, without those weapons, the Controllers are powerless to stop the threat from destroying other worlds. The Controller responsible for that world comes calling. He yanks the Legionnaires away from their missions and HQ and tells them, like unruly children, to clean up their mess.

Worse, “cleaning up their mess” may involve violating the Legion’s code against killing.

This is a wonderful set up for a suspense-filled drama. Unfortunately, it is mainly just a set up. I was disappointed then (and am only mildly disappointed now) to get midway through the book and find “to be continued.” I wanted to see more of the Legion’s efforts to stop the machine world of Tyrraz and to see Jan wrestling with his choice. I concede this was an effective cliffhanger, but the story leading up to it could have used more “meat.”

I’m not sure it was necessary for the villains to belong to the same race as Tyr. This is another Levitz nod to the past. Earlier in the story, he has Colossal Boy and Phantom Girl (along with Ultra Boy) visiting Manna-5, the same agricultural world they visited back in Superboy 195 (Wildfire’s debut as ERG-1). I don’t mind the planet reference as it gives the Legion’s galactic neighborhood a sense of consistency. However, the universe is a vast place, and it seems mighty convenient that the enemies feared by the Controllers are related to someone we’ve seen before (and recently, at that).

In the backup story, “Freedom of Choice,” Jacques faces a dilemma of his own. The irascible Dr. Gym’ll has isolated the Norg serum that gives Invisible Kid II his powers, and he can remove Jacques’ invisibility, teleportation, or both. It’s always seemed like a cut-and-dried choice to me. Invisibility is the power he can fully control, so it should stay; the teleportation power—though it holds enormous potential to make him one of the most powerful Legionnaires—is dangerous and unstable; it should go. In the end, this is the choice Jacques makes.

It’s a solid story with few surprises, though a lot of missed opportunities. Except for Dr. Gym’ll’s badgering, I never got a sense that Jacques wanted to give up being a Legionnaire and return to a normal life. We’ve been given only a few glimpses of his life before he became a Legionnaire—his two sisters and his friend from the other recent backup story. While it’s true that he became a Legionnaire through circumstance rather than any burning desire to stand in line at tryouts or attend the academy (take that, all you other applicants!), he seems just as comfortable being a Legionnaire as not. I would like to see that his choice truly matters to him and that, perhaps, he has to give up something of his old life to remain a Legionnaire.

On the plus side, I like Jacques more and more as a character because of this story. A deeply religious man, it bothers him that he accidently caused the death of another person. He thinks ahead, contacting his Legion colleagues, before wading into battle. And though he chooses to keep the less flashy and arguably less versatile power (the one that literally makes him invisible), he’s comfortable with his choice and with his role as a Legionnaire. Jacques knows his power limits him—he calls in the big guns to capture two of the three robbers—but, like Chuck before him, he makes the most of what he’s been given.

As a nice touch, the three Legionnaires who left to find their missing comrades in the main story are diverted to pick up the two robbers in this one.

As a whole, LSH 19 is a very competent issue with a lot of great ideas. It also boasts outstanding artwork from two stellar illustrators. However, it still feels like Levitz is treading water.
Here's my Top 25 of November 5, 1985:

1. Miracleman # 2 -- Eclipse
2. New Teen Titans # 17 -- DC
3. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 11 -- DC
4. Nightcrawler # 4 -- Marvel
5. Squadron Supreme # 6 -- Marvel
6. Dreadstar # 22 -- Marvel/Epic
7. West Coast Avengers # 5 -- Marvel
8. Star Trek # 23 -- DC
9. Green Lantern # 197 -- DC
10. Nexus # 17 -- First

11. Aquaman # 1 -- DC
12. Blue Devil # 20 -- DC
13. Iron Man # 203 -- Marvel
14. X-Factor # 1 -- Marvel
15. Legion of Super-Heroes # 19 -- DC
16. Justice League of America # 247 -- DC
17. Amazing Spider-Man # 273 -- Marvel
18. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 5 -- Marvel
19. All-Star Squadron # 53 -- DC
20. Infinity Inc. # 22 -- DC

21. Legionnaires 3 # 1 -- DC
22. Fury of Firestorm # 44 -- DC
23. New Defenders # 152 -- Marvel
24. DC Challenge # 3 -- DC
25. Avengers # 264 -- Marvel
Originally Posted by FC

Of the five Legionnaires taken by the Controller to fix the mess they created (a very nice lesson on consequences), only Cham was actively involved in the original Tyr story - he impersonated Tyr. So you'd think we'd get a flashback explanation from him when he hears the words "Tyrraz" and "destruction", but no panel time is wasted on that. (Of course, it's only when we see the guard attack Violet and Tinya that it's confirmed to be the same race as Tyr.) In a similar vein, Brek asks for the new Legionnaires what the original disappearance was about, but we don't get a full-page summary of that story. Skipping the backstories makes for a tighter tale, while not sacrificing anything the reader needs to know.


Yeah. As you note, there is a lot of economy in giving background information, and it keeps the story moving. I'm glad Levitz didn't have Cham make that connection. Given how frequent references to past stories can become, I applaud the writer's restraint here.

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Brainy teeters on the edge of madness - you just feel the instability, as he does himself, as he begins to obsess over Sensor Girl. Ex-girlfriend Tasmia tries to offer a comforting word but is rebuffed. I wonder just how close those two were/are. He's been weeping about his hopeless love for Kara, so perhaps he doesn't want to be reminded of a little fling with Tasmia.


It's interesting that you drew the connection between Shady and Querl here and to them having once dated. I wonder if Levitz even remembered that. Shady was introduced in Adv. # 365 and, by 370, she was firmly attached to Mon-El, so the liaison with Brainy was brief and not a major aspect of the series or (apparently) of either of their lives. If Levitz wanted us to draw that connection, I applaud his economy even more for not spelling it out for us.

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Rather than continue with something both cast and reader knows, Levitz simply has the Controller appear and confirm things to them. He returns to the missing and gives the reader a summary of the previous story, while give us a little action as Tyrraz attacks them.


Another great example of economy and handling exposition.

Originally Posted by thoth
]But It’s only Shady who’s currently worried about Lar.


Indeed, and maybe she has something to worry about. Although it's a very subtle bit, I thought it was interesting that Mon suddenly decided to join Drake and Dawny on the quest, leaving Shady behind--all alone on the roof of the HQ. Her shadow even seems to be vaguely in the shape of a question mark.

Earlier, Mon stands very comfortably beside Sensor Girl as they both search for the missing Legionnaires. When Shady arrives, he seems to grimace at her kiss and to pull her arm away from his chest. Subtle gestures, perhaps? Trouble in Lover Land? Or does he not want her to get too close to see how unstable he is truly becoming?






Originally Posted by thoth
The inclusion of the SP investigation is a little pointless, as far as the rest of the story goes, and I’d have preferred a Vi & Cham scene instead. But later I’d be moaning that the investigation plot wasn’t getting any attention. The solution would have been to have Vi/Cham helping out on that investigation when they disappeared combining both plots.


That would have been better, since Vi & Cham just came out of nowhere in this story.

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What’s surprising, and against comic tradition is that the Controller left masses of distinctive energy in their own meeting room, and none of that is being used to trace him.


Good point, Levitz didn't take the easy way out but dispensed with the Controller's energy as being too powerful for Mysa. But is it traces of that power that Dawnstar is tracking, or just the sense of the missing Legionnaires?

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With the Legion trolley problem:-
Lar can save everyone
Querl goes back in time to make sure no one was anywhere near the trolley
The Trolley turns out to be the one owned by Dr Mayavale who tries to run everyone over in countless previous lives.


Yeah, the Trolley Problem doesn't really work if there are super-heroes around, but I do like your Mayavale connection.

Originally Posted by HWW
I’m going to have to keep my reviews short and to the point for a while.


Something else else to which I aspire but fail to achieve!

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It’s a solid story with few surprises, though a lot of missed opportunities. Except for Dr. Gym’ll’s badgering, I never got a sense that Jacques wanted to give up being a Legionnaire and return to a normal life. We’ve been given only a few glimpses of his life before he became a Legionnaire—his two sisters and his friend from the other recent backup story. While it’s true that he became a Legionnaire through circumstance rather than any burning desire to stand in line at tryouts or attend the academy (take that, all you other applicants!), he seems just as comfortable being a Legionnaire as not. I would like to see that his choice truly matters to him and that, perhaps, he has to give up something of his old life to remain a Legionnaire.


Jacques seems to go with the flow. That he's willing to submit to these medical procedures at least indicates a desire solve his power problem, presumably to remain a Legionnaire - but there could have been more set-up, have him discuss what to do with his family and friends.

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As a nice touch, the three Legionnaires who left to find their missing comrades in the main story are diverted to pick up the two robbers in this one.


I missed that! A nice bit of narrative continuity; I'm curious if it has an effect in the next issue.

An aside on the second story: I recently discovered the Sector General series of short stories & novels written by James White, about a multi-species hospital on a space station. White was from Belfast and wrote these stories about a pacifist hospital in response to the Troubles of Northern Ireland, so it's a very Legion-y concept. Medicus One is in that mold - although we usually only see Legionnaires getting treatment there, the art in this story gives the sense of many different species. I've not yet come across anyone quite as grumpy as Gym'll in the Sector General books.
Originally Posted by HWW
Earlier, Mon stands very comfortably beside Sensor Girl as they both search for the missing Legionnaires. When Shady arrives, he seems to grimace at her kiss and to pull her arm away from his chest. Subtle gestures, perhaps? Trouble in Lover Land? Or does he not want her to get too close to see how unstable he is truly becoming?


For something so subtle to be appearing so far in advance of the issue where it takes place is really one of the stand out things about Levitz's work on the Legion. It's just not something you see in many books. After a little Legion reading binge a lot of other books just become rather pedestrian (and not because they don't have flight rings)


Originally Posted by Cramer
Good point, Levitz didn't take the easy way out but dispensed with the Controller's energy as being too powerful for Mysa. But is it traces of that power that Dawnstar is tracking, or just the sense of the missing Legionnaires?


Controller power > Mysa Power

I read it as Dawny tracking the Legionnaires. I think she said something about not being able to find them last time. I just don't think tracking the energy occurred to Levitz.


Originally Posted by Cramer
Something else else to which I aspire but fail to achieve!


I shall tell you how. But first a prologue...

I'm sure my earlier reviews were nice and short. I blame Levitz and his pesky subplotting!


Originally Posted by Cramer
Originally Posted by HWW
As a nice touch, the three Legionnaires who left to find their missing comrades in the main story are diverted to pick up the two robbers in this one.


I missed that! A nice bit of narrative continuity; I'm curious if it has an effect in the next issue.


I also missed that one. Good spot HWW!
Originally Posted by FC
An aside on the second story: I recently discovered the Sector General series of short stories & novels written by James White, about a multi-species hospital on a space station. White was from Belfast and wrote these stories about a pacifist hospital in response to the Troubles of Northern Ireland, so it's a very Legion-y concept. Medicus One is in that mold - although we usually only see Legionnaires getting treatment there, the art in this story gives the sense of many different species. I've not yet come across anyone quite as grumpy as Gym'll in the Sector General books.


Thanks for mentioning this. I just read the first couple of pages of the first story on Amazon, and it looks like a very interesting read--something I will keep on my watch list.

In the introduction to the First Sector General Omnibus, writer Brian Stableford remarks, "Nothing dates as quickly as the future." This is certainly true of Star Trek, but I wonder how much it applies to the Legion. The stories we are currently reviewing were published in the mid-1980s, more than 30 years ago. I've never noticed them being dated, but I'm rather biased towards all things Legion. Any thoughts?
Anything that's dated like flared Phantom costumes I put down to being retro. smile
These stories are certainly less visually dated than the 1970s ones in which they're reading paper newspapers and books and typing on keyboards. It's something of interest to watch out for in future issues, though.
One would expect that fashions such as bell bottoms would be dated; to a degree, the technology (newspapers) would also be dated. But I was thinking more in terms of the Legion concept itself and how it depicts the future, especially our expectations of it. Like Star Trek, the Legion envisioned a future built on the expectation that things would get better: human beings would resolve their basic conflicts with each other and make peace with alien races. The worlds of Star Trek and the Legion were represented much like the US is today: where people from many different backgrounds and ethnicities mingle, marry, and work together.

Yet I've been catching up on episodes of Star Trek: Discovery, and I noticed that--even though the story is ostensibly set about ten years before Kirk's five-year mission (although perhaps in an alternate reality, as explained by a friend of mine), it also reflects a less optimistic view of the future than shown on the original series.

In the episodes I've seen, the Discovery captain runs his own agenda in ending the war with the Klingon. Even the Vulcans have their own fanatical faction that opposes equality with humans.


These seem to be more modern concepts rather than ones which would fit easily into the world envisioned by Gene Roddenberry. This is what I meant that Star Trek (the original series, at least, and possibly the '80s-90s spinoffs) seems dated. I love, love, love the original series, but it was a product of its time and represented America's view of itself at the time: a shining beacon of democracy guiding the way for a peaceful and adventurous future.

I'm not sure the Legion ever had a consistent theme or overarching worldview--so many different creators and editors modified the series over the years to fit the prevailing sensibilities of the comics industry. Yet it combined the assumption that super-heroes were inherently good and positive and could make things like a code against killing work with the positive, multi-species future envisioned by Star Trek. I just wonder if those assumptions still resonate in 2018. I hope they do.
A couple of Legionverse concepts that strike me as questionable now, in terms of tone rather than technology: the surveillance monitors and the one-world/globalist planets. The drones and monitors were cool tech in the past - now they seem far from benign. The other is the completely unified planets - Earth has one government and is one society as are most others (Talok VIII is one exception, although they don't have separate countries, but a rebel faction). This used to be the symbol of planetary peace and a step towards the creation of the United Planets. Today, we are starting to see the downside of a global society: less representative government, greater corporate control, eradication of individual cultures. I'd like to think it all turns out for the best, as it does in the Legionverse, but the concept today seems too Pollyanna for our present day. The threeboot addressed this to some degree: everything was peaceful, but it was an enforced, controlled peace more than a natural progression of mankind's better nature.
^^Along the same lines, the idea of an indigenous population basically leaving Earth in order to maintain their cultural identity/values, a sort of self-imposed space reservation, today just seems symptomatic of the very sort of globalization problems you mention.
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But I was thinking more in terms of the Legion concept itself and how it depicts the future, especially our expectations of it.


Ah, not just flares then…

It’s based on science fantasy for a younger target audience. It shows a future extrapolated from a narrow set of cultural values, where there’s blind acceptance of authority and where scientific progress is broadly in everyone’s interests. Bad science is the domain of lone evil geniuses.

I think yesteryears readers were able to enjoy a bit of escapism just as we can, just as they knew it for what it was. Science fantasy ran in parallel with growing harder sci-fi, and has receded as time has gone by. Expectations of the older target audience for more mature, continuity-based fare have and the direct market to cater for this readership have also changed what’s on offer.
On specifics, the idea that the Legion may be idealistically optimistic may not even be correct.

Mankind has conquered the stars. But it has resulted in ethnic groups going to colonise worlds or convenient other dimensions (Marzal, Starhaven), as EDE mentions, leaving the rest for a homogenous single race (as portrayed for a lot of years). Such things are the result of near genocides and exiles here, so the Earth before the Legion’s time may have a lot of blood on its hands.

Economic power still holds sway, so mankind hasn’t even solved those problems as seen in the plights of Braal and Sklar. It’s just the same issues on a bigger canvas.

In our world, those evil scientists were nearly always part of a wider ideology and often state sponsored. This can be seen in the world of the Legion. Cramer mentioned the surveillance state. From mind wiping through mentally invasive interrogations to weather controls, science is seen as a good, progressive thing. It’s appreciated to the point that you think it’s been indoctrinated into the population.

That goes back to the issue of race and extends also into culture. There’s not only not much extremism, there’s no big debate over many other issues. There’s little if any cultural divergence. Again, it suggests a world where such things have been eliminated, and these things have never happened without bloodshed.

There’s a blind acceptance of authority in the Legion. When the Earth President or the head of the Science Police call with a mission, it’s automatically assumed it’s done in the best interests of everyone.
Many of our issues have made their way into the 30th century, but democracy died along the way. The president isn’t a democratically elected one in the Legion. Who knows how the head of Science Police got their job? The Legion go on mission impossible style missions without question. That subservience isn’t a good thing.

Good luck trying to leave the UP. They were going to declare war on Imsk for doing it. Leaving is not an option.
LSH #20 "The Deathworld of Tyr!" or "To Control a World" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Larry Mahlstadt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Above Tyrraz, four Legionnaires discuss what to do. Vi wants to blow the planet up. Jan arrives with the Controller and converts the attack debris into an inertron shield. Only Jan and Cham are convinced that they must not destroy Tyrraz. There's a blast, then Tyr himself appears.

On Earth, Dirk meets Gigi in a bar. Gigi wants info about the Technopark bombing; Dirk wants to play around since Violet is off planet and they don't have a serious relationship. In space, Dawnstar tracks the missing Legionnaires and rebuffs Wildfire.

Jo battles Tyr. Tinya tries to disrupt Tyr's gun hand, but it shocks her. Jo sends her to find Jan and continues to hold off Tyr. Jan is still trying to find a no-kill solution; when Tinya wishes Tyrraz hadn't moved into their galaxy, Jan gets an idea.

At Legion HQ, Shady appeals to Brainy, through a closed door, to come out and act like a leader. Ayla thinks she's wasting her time on someone who is "a little nuts". Inside his lab, Brainy obsesses over Sensor Girl's identity. Sensor Girl, elsewhere, pities him.

On Tyrraz, Jan explains that if the planet stays on the edge of the galaxy, it's no threat - so he wants to control Tyrraz by disabling its engines. Soldiers attack them, but Jan turns their weapons to hydrogen.

Tinya, Vi and Cham fly off to find the engines and are attacked by robots, which Cham intercepts. The Controller leads a weary Jan to the engines; while Jan is still trying to figure out how to destroy the engines but not Tyrraz, Tyr attacks. Jan encases him in inertron, with air holes. He wonders where the other Legionnaires are, when Dawnstar, Wildfire and Lar arrive. The planet shudders, then Vi and Tinya appear to report that they destroyed the engines' internal controls. Cham and Jo revive from their battles. Lar takes the drive engines away to dump them on a swamp planet.

Jan tells the others that the Controller decided to stay on Tyrraz and fight evil with what was left of his power.

Second Story: Night of Madness by Paul Levitz, art by Keith Giffen & Mick DeCarlo, letters by John Costanza, colurs by Carl Gafford

Mysa and Nura prepare to spend a relaxing evening. Nura has a vision that there are monsters on the streets, which Mysa also sees in a globe. Mysa thinks they should alert others, but Nura reassures her that they can handle it. They track one monster, but as Mysa tries to cage it with magic, Nura bumps her and she misses. They follow it through a door, which turns out to be a Hallowe'en party at the Allons. Mysa seems a bit confused and Chuck says they needed her there as their favourite witch.

Comments:

I found this culmination of the Tyrraz story less interesting than the set-up. I almost felt like screaming at Jan, "Disable the engines! Tinya and Vi can do it like they have done with so many other pieces of machinery!"

Cham played an important role in defeating Tyr in the original story; here he spends most of the time knocked out. His role was crucial in protecting the others, but he was more or less absent from the story. Jo, battling Tyr, got a lot more panel time, in addition to kisses from Tinya.

Jan, on the other hand, was an incredible powerhouse, holding off the Tyrraz forces single-handed than encasing Tyr himself in inertron. He mentioned that he needed time to restore his powers, which I don't recall reading about before.

Lar, Dawny and Wildfire arrive after the situation is under control, but serve as clean-up crew. Wildfire transports the Legionnaires home in a bubble which appeared out of nowhere (the Controller? or did they borrow one from Tyrraz?). Why the Controller couldn't have sent them all back is a mystery, but Wildfire needed something to do and perhaps the Controller was keeping what's left of his power to manage Tyrraz. Lar's dumping of the engines in a "swamp planet" may not be without consequences. This is one of those out-dated details for me; today, I immediately think of something equivalent to nuclear waste and heavy metal contamination. What about all the poor swamp creatures on that swamp planet?

I'd like to know what power the Controller can exercise over Tyrraz to combat their evil, that he couldn't have thought of before. Perhaps it's simply a self-imposed penance. That a Controller learns a lesson from the Legion in non-killing suggests that their race has become distanced from ethical concerns.

The ending, with Violet saying they were the best, fell flat; it just seemed like an odd panel to end on.


We couldn't have had better timing for the Hallowe'en story than this week. The story itself is a light one, but has a few character nuggets of interest. Nura teases Mysa for being boring; Mysa wonders why Nura faints with her visions as their mother never did. Mysa uses "witchfire" to heat her drink as well as to try and catch the monster. The most peculiar aspect is that Mysa is oblivious to the notion of Hallowe'en. She also mentions that she had no spells prepared to catch the monster they are tracking - although that seems like a pretty standard mission for a Legionnaire. She reminds us that magic has gone from Earth, so there should be no monsters, but this is hardly the first time monsters have invaded/appeared on Earth.
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Tyr looks a bit sweaty on the cover as he lies in wait for the two Legionnaires. His hand is twitching too, making me wonder if this is a contender for the moidered or fondled thread. He’s pretty creepy.

There was a scene in the earlier Controller story where Vi was determined to blow up the Controller’s factory, even at the cost of her own life. She jumps to a similar conclusion here, that the only solution is to blow the place up. As she snarks at Element Lad, she suggests nuking it, with its inhabitants. It’s a snark escalation here. It’s not too often you see such a reaction between team mates. Well, not since the Adventure days when they were desperate to expel people. smile Jan diffuses it well, as he’s done before. I wonder if, like Nura, his leadership style rankles certain members.

The increased snark levels makes another definite appearance later on in the issue, when Ayla is very unsympathetic towards Brainy shutting himself in his lab. Picking up on HWW’s last review, it’s notable that it’s Tasmia hammering on his portal to check on him. Behind the portal Brainy has deteriorated, obsessing over Sensor Girl. Sensor Girl is watching this, but doesn’t intervene. I’m trying to recall if the final reveal justifies this action. Perhaps she hopes it will pass. One thought is that Sensor Girl’s monitoring is being picked up by Brainy in some fashion, feeding his obsession.

Jan cites the destruction of Trom as an example of needless destruction. Even Tyrraz shouldn’t have that fate, and it’s a solid connection to his past. Jan is a bit one trick plot wise, as pretty much everything outside of Erin goes back to his origin.

Jo absorbs one blast from the war world. But there’s a feeling that they can’t escape to or disable it. On the splash page, the ship looks like one of the many Khund ships the Legion has disabled on a very regular basis down the years. So, I’m not convinced of the threat. They don’t attempt to convince the Controller to get other Legionnaires either. Jan creates a giant inertron shield for them to use as cover. But if there was any doubt as to their location, Tyrraz can now be pretty sure they’re behind the big shield that’s just appeared. If they wanted to escape, they could just hold onto Jo and get out of there at super speed. Or come to an arrangement with the Controller.

A subplot reminds us of the technopark investigation, while also hinting that Gi Gi and Dirk might get back together. Gi Gi seems to know about Dirk and Vi, so there must have been some time elapsed for that to have become common knowledge. Or Quislet is a bigger gossip than I thought. GI Gi describes them as an item, while Dirk suggests something more causal. Either way, it suggests something has been going on for at least some time.

Elsewhere, Dawnstar has begun tracing the missing heroes. They aren’t in any other dimension this time. He pride and sense of validation are undercut by Wildfire. In trying to be supportive, he’s telling her it’s okay that she failed. Something else else she really doesn’t like to hear. Once again she’s focused on the mission, while he’s focusing on her. She must be wondering if she can drop in on Kol on the way back.

As Mon says that the missing Legionnaires can look after themselves, there’s a nice segue into Jo being blasted by Tyr. Cham and Vi were knocked out by the villain’s initial blast. Jo’s also a bit overprotective towards Tinya. She’s stunned in shorting a circuit in Tyr’s gun hand. The dialogue suggests that she succeeds, but there’s no difference shown. The dialogue/ art also suggests that Tyr’s hand speaks a few panels before it actually does.

Tinya follows Jo’s instructions and meets Jan and the others. The Controller looks for the world’s destruction. But Jan wants to find another solution. Oddly, they don’t just go back to Jo and team up to defeat Tyr. There’s only one plot path opening up to the reader, despite other options being available.

Back to the Khund ships. The big solution here would be the same solution the likes of Lar uses against such craft anyway. Disable them, and let them limp back to their own space. As Tyrraz doesn’t seem to have a home space, disabling it entirely is the plan here. Vi even mentions the Khunds.

The Controller is showing the Legion the engines as a hologram as a way for Levitz to break up the story. If it wasn’t for this, they’d be running down corridors, fighting robots again for far too long. The war world is run on antimatter/ matter engines that look as though they were bought second hand from the Anti-Monitor’s Fortress (For sale as of Crisis #12. One previous owner. Some renovation required. Free Flash costume with purchase.)

Now the Controller tells the team that disabling the engines was what he sought to do. If by “disable” he meant “by blowing up the world and everyone on it” then that’s consistent.

As Dawny and her team approach, Jan holds off the other residents of Tyrraz. He’s so often stuck in the background as his powers end conflicts too easily. Here, he gets to give the others a head start and fight against a horde without having to worry about stopping the main villain of the plot. Although he does get to stop Tyr too. He does so easily reinforcing the problems he usually faces as a character. His power use against the horde reminded me a little of how Chemical Kid would later develop. He was mentored by an, and you could see the over-powerful Jan being moved into the sidelines at some point.

Off panel, Jo has been beaten by Tyr and Cham also falls to the villain. As Jan prepares to use his powers against the engines, Tinya and Vi emerge having successfully disabled them. Jan wonders what happened to the others in the same sequence where Cham’s body can be seen in the background. Vi and Tinya say that the drives would take a year to repair. But it’s rendered meaningless as Lar takes the whole drive until to dump somewhere far away. Since he’s invulnerable, everything else in the story was really just a set up for his arrival with Dawny. A time bubble appears as a transport from somewhere to take everyone back. I guess the Controller couldn’t have done it, as Lar had his engine dumping to do.

The Legion leave an impressed Controller behind. They have disavowed personal combat, but with a world of Tyr-like warriors, it’s only a matter of time before he uses the world as his replacement Sun Eater. Perhaps he’ll look to wage war on his colleagues if they don’t reverse his demotion.

It’s a fairly pedestrian second half to the story. There are no big reveals or twists. The characters are written consistently enough. There’s some subversion going form the “I’ll deal with this” from Jan and Jo to Tinya and Vi finding a solution. But Lar’s really the difference in the end. Even revealing that the Controller had plans would have added something extra. Perhaps The Controllers in Crisis put an end to plans for them beyond this story. Last issue turned out to be the best part of the four.
Originally Posted by thoth
One thought is that Sensor Girl’s monitoring is being picked up by Brainy in some fashion, feeding his obsession.


That's a delightfully creepy idea. I don't recall if he suspects she's on to him, but he does make one very stupid decision later (sneaking into her room), which suggests he doesn't know, or doesn't care - and such is the nature of obsession.

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Jan cites the destruction of Trom as an example of needless destruction. Even Tyrraz shouldn’t have that fate, and it’s a solid connection to his past. Jan is a bit one trick plot wise, as pretty much everything outside of Erin goes back to his origin.


True, although that may be the nature of severe trauma from surviving genocide. This singular focus fits in with his decision to eventually return to Trom as a guardian, while he could have become a counselor for other victims of atrocities.

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Elsewhere, Dawnstar has begun tracing the missing heroes. They aren’t in any other dimension this time. He pride and sense of validation are undercut by Wildfire. In trying to be supportive, he’s telling her it’s okay that she failed. Something else else she really doesn’t like to hear. Once again she’s focused on the mission, while he’s focusing on her. She must be wondering if she can drop in on Kol on the way back.


Hah! Plot developments we'd like to see!

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A time bubble appears as a transport from somewhere to take everyone back. I guess the Controller couldn’t have done it, as Lar had his engine dumping to do.


The bubble baffled me, but it occurred to me later that it might be one of Zymyr's bubbles from the LSV story, in which Tyr appeared. I've kinda lost the thread between there and here. Somehow, he got back to Tyrraz.

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The Legion leave an impressed Controller behind. They have disavowed personal combat, but with a world of Tyr-like warriors, it’s only a matter of time before he uses the world as his replacement Sun Eater. Perhaps he’ll look to wage war on his colleagues if they don’t reverse his demotion.


We never found out what happened to Tyrraz, although Tyr returned with the LSV in Legion of 3 Worlds. Did the planet go peaceful and give him the boot?
Originally Posted by Cramer
I almost felt like screaming at Jan, "Disable the engines! Tinya and Vi can do it like they have done with so many other pieces of machinery!"


The characters could have wrapped this one up a lot sooner. They needed another obstacle/ threat to complicate proceedings. “Gee, we can’t disable it here, as there’s no resources and they’ll starve to death.” Or “Like Tyr’s gun hand, the war world itself is sentient!” Anything.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Cham … but he was more or less absent from the story. Jo, battling Tyr, got a lot more panel time, in addition to kisses from Tinya.


Good point. He was there to be visually interesting and not much else it seems.

Originally Posted by Cramer
He mentioned that he needed time to restore his powers, which I don't recall reading about before.


Perhaps this is a way they are looking to try and limit him in future. Jan tires himself out on the minions, mentions that he’s tired, and then the villain appears as Jan can’t just end the battle in a few seconds. The Legion would strangely never just switch tactics to ensure Jan wasn’t used early on.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Lar's dumping of the engines in a "swamp planet" may not be without consequences. This is one of those out-dated details for me; today, I immediately think of something equivalent to nuclear waste and heavy metal contamination. What about all the poor swamp creatures on that swamp planet?


Mon-El is kidnapped by a bunch of mutated Swamp Things in #35. smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
I'd like to know what power the Controller can exercise over Tyrraz to combat their evil, that he couldn't have thought of before. Perhaps it's simply a self-imposed penance. That a Controller learns a lesson from the Legion in non-killing suggests that their race has become distanced from ethical concerns.


Proactive to the point of zealotry. I don’t think there’s necessarily a huge gulf between the goals of the people on Tyrraz and the Controller. They could whet their appetite for conflict under his command. If there’s more to Tyr’s intelligent hand i.e. there’s intelligence in the machine world, then it’s a very useful tool for the Controller. Particularly as we’ve seen him teleport things over vast distances. Next week on Lost Tales of the Legion … smile

Originally Posted by Cramer
The ending, with Violet saying they were the best, fell flat; it just seemed like an odd panel to end on.


I agree. At a push, it possibly reinforced Vi’s commitment to the team and her protective attitude towards it. At the same time it shows that the Legion’s way is more effective than the Controllers. But, at a push…

Originally Posted by Cramer
We couldn't have had better timing for the Hallowe'en story than this week. The story itself is a light one, but has a few character nuggets of interest. Nura teases Mysa for being boring; Mysa wonders why Nura faints with her visions as their mother never did. Mysa uses "witchfire" to heat her drink as well as to try and catch the monster. The most peculiar aspect is that Mysa is oblivious to the notion of Hallowe'en. She also mentions that she had no spells prepared to catch the monster they are tracking - although that seems like a pretty standard mission for a Legionnaire. She reminds us that magic has gone from Earth, so there should be no monsters, but this is hardly the first time monsters have invaded/appeared on Earth.


Just a bit of a fluff, fill in story compared to last issues, or the back-up stories form a while ago. Just the sort of story Giffen was enjoying at the time.

The first panel mentions Braining not having to run around in circles with Jan’s return. But in the main story, Brainy didn’t leave his lab.

As you mention Cramer, there are nit-picks throughout, as it’s really all about the punchline. I did like the little bump Nura gave Mysa to put her off, and the return expression.

I thought Thom was wearing green a few panels before, so I hope Nura is smooching the right guy.

Originally Posted by Cramer
That's a delightfully creepy idea. I don't recall if he suspects she's on to him, but he does make one very stupid decision later (sneaking into her room), which suggests he doesn't know, or doesn't care - and such is the nature of obsession.


As we’ll be reminded in the Universo story, Brainy’s mind is very sensitive to enforced changes being made on it, such as memories being changed/ blocked. I was wondering if Sensor Girl expanding her own awareness throughout the HQ, was in some way affecting the finer mechanisms of his mind. Not to the degree he’s aware of the cause of it, but something subtler. Since Sensor Girl’s powers were formerly those of illusion, perhaps something that is helping Brainy see/ think things that aren’t actually there.

Originally Posted by Cramer
True, although that may be the nature of severe trauma from surviving genocide. This singular focus fits in with his decision to eventually return to Trom as a guardian, while he could have become a counsellor for other victims of atrocities.


Good points.

Originally Posted by Cramer
We never found out what happened to Tyrraz, although Tyr returned with the LSV in Legion of 3 Worlds. Did the planet go peaceful and give him the boot?


His gun arm just wouldn't give up the snark in the new peace loving commune of Tyrraz. smile
LSH 20

I enjoyed “To Control a World,” but I think that enjoyment was based on context. So many of the stories leading up to this were underdeveloped or moved along at a languid pace. It’s refreshing to see a done-in-two story with a complete resolution. Furthermore, the Legionnaires are portrayed as professionals at the top of their game. Element Lad comes into his own as leader, showing confidence and refusing to abandon the Legion code.

Another nice aspect is that it’s the girls with arguably weaker powers who find the solution. This shouldn’t come as a surprise in 1985, yet in some strange way it does. The Legion has always been hailed by fans for its forward-thinking treatment of female characters, but that treatment has been mostly one-sided. The girls are still treated as eye candy, and it’s rare when they actually solve the problem without help from their male colleagues. When female Legionnaires were revamped, such as Lightning Lass and Violet, they were portrayed as aggressive badasses. But here Vi and Tinya use their wits to disable the drives of Tyrraz. It’s an understated victory on their part, and no one makes a big deal of it—as it should be; in the 30th century, one would hope gender wouldn’t make a difference in expecting heroes to win. But, in 1985, their victory still seemed rare.

So, #20 has a lot going for it, but these positives seem like icing with very little cake underneath. Despite the big build-up of last issue, the solution to defeating Tyrraz is simple and poses no real challenge to the Legionnaires—not even the ethical dilemma set up so well last issue. And despite Tyr’s prominence on the cover, little is done with him as a character. He doesn’t seem as threatening as he did in 1973. In the earlier stories, he used subterfuge, stealth, and long-range planning to brainwash a Legionnaire and hold the team hostage in its own headquarters. Here he displays a new appendage weapon (which looks more like a fancy splint) and blasts things to little effect. He’s become just another action villain.

It’s great that the Controller saw the error in his ways and decided to stay on Tyrraz to “fight evil”—but this one-shot character changes, not the Legionnaires. Since this godlike being is brought over to their way of thinking, the Legion’s victory comes off as smug—a lot like Captain Kirk out-reasoning immortal beings. In fact, this story and it’s “we’re the best” ending seems very Silver Age.

“Night of Madness” may have been a piece of fluff, but I enjoyed it, too. It provides a glimpse into Mysa and Nura’s relationship as sisters. They love each other but have very different temperaments and sometimes get on each other’s nerves, as siblings do. Since Mysa has spent most of her life studying magic on the Sorcerer’s World, it makes sense that she would be unfamiliar with the earth custom of Halloween (really, how many people from other worlds keep up with earth traditions?). Her ignorance allowed the Legion to play a friendly practical joke on her—which, in my thinking, is confirmation that they like her and have accepted her as one of their own. (Yes, it’s been awhile since she joined the team, but, other than Blok, she hasn’t really been shown as having formed relationships with others.) Mysa’s embarrassment at being labeled the Legion’s favorite witch was a fun and human moment.

One final observation: Reading this issue reminded me of a crucial difference between Silver Age stories and ‘80s stories. In the Silver Age, writers used scientific concepts and gave limitations to heroes’ powers that were consistently followed. In this story, so typical of its era, science is shoved aside by action (no one really thinks about the logistics of a planet that has turned itself into a weapon), and our heroes become as powerful as the plot needs them to be. Jan whips up an inertron shield out of nowhere on a second’s notice. It was much more fun and interesting, I think, when the Legionnaires had to struggle to get things done. In these stories, victory comes too easily, even when our heroes are taking on an entire planet.
My Top 25 of December 10, 1985, shows that LSH 20 fared about the same as the previous issue:

1. New Teen Titans # 18 -- DC
2. Miracleman # 3 -- Eclipse
3. Crisis on Infinite Earths # 12 -- DC
4. Squadron Supreme # 8 -- Marvel
5. Captain America # 315 -- Marvel
6. X-Factor # 2 -- Marvel
7. Infinity Inc. # 23 -- DC
8. Aquaman # 2 -- DC
9. Daredevil # 228 -- Marvel
10. DC Comics Presents # 91 -- DC

11. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 6 -- Marvel
12. Avengers # 265 -- Marvel
13. Green Lantern # 198 -- DC
14. Fury of Firestorm # 45 -- DC
15. Blue Devil # 22 -- DC
16. Power Man & Iron Fist # 122 -- Marvel
17. Legion of Super-Heroes # 20 -- DC
18. Nexus # 18 -- First
19. Hawkman Special # 1 -- DC
20. Marvel Tales # 183 -- Marvel

21. Justice League of America # 248 -- DC
22. DC Challenge # 4 -- DC
23. Legionnaires 3 # 2 -- DC
24. All-Star Squadron # 55 -- DC
25. Captain Paragon & The Sentinels of Justice # 3 -- Americomics

As a bonus, here's a portion of my 1985 Year-End Survey, in which I collated all the data from previous charts and ranked each series accordingly. The Legion didn't fare too badly. (The number in parenthesis represents the ranking of the previous year.)

1. (13) New Teen Titans -- DC
2. (40) Crisis on Infinite Earths -- DC
3. (4) Star Trek -- DC
4. (17) Blue Devil -- DC
5 (1) All-Star Squadron -- DC
6. (21) Legion of Super-Heroes -- DC
7. (8) Captain America -- Marvel
8. (2) Tales of the New Teen Titans -- DC
9. (5) Infinity Inc. -- DC
10. (14) Amazing Spider-Man -- Marvel

11. (6) Fury of Firestorm -- Marvel
12. (--) Dreadstar & Company -- Marvel/Epic
13. (7) Justice League of America -- DC
14. (--) Squadron Supreme -- Marvel
15. (25) Fantastic Four -- Marvel
16. (--) West Coast Avengers -- Marvel
17. (3) Green Lantern -- DC
18. (9) Iron Man -- Marvel
19. (46) Nexus -- First
20. (24) Power Man & Iron Fist -- Marvel

21. (--) Vision & Scarlet Witch -- Marvel
22. (--) Zot! -- Eclipse
23. (--) Dreadstar -- Marvel/Epic
24. (--) Nightcrawler -- Marvel
25. (18) Avengers -- Marvel

Tales of the Legion ranked at No. 31, down from No. 11 of the previous year. Legionnaires 3 ended at No. 56 (out of 72 titles).
So they're not forgotten, I want to respond to some of the comments on my question about the Legion being dated.

Originally Posted by FC
A couple of Legionverse concepts that strike me as questionable now, in terms of tone rather than technology: the surveillance monitors and the one-world/globalist planets. The drones and monitors were cool tech in the past - now they seem far from benign. The other is the completely unified planets - Earth has one government and is one society as are most others (Talok VIII is one exception, although they don't have separate countries, but a rebel faction). This used to be the symbol of planetary peace and a step towards the creation of the United Planets. Today, we are starting to see the downside of a global society: less representative government, greater corporate control, eradication of individual cultures.


Those are excellent points. What we once assumed would be positive advancements have turned out to have darker sides. I always loved the idea of earth having a unified government, but, as human beings, we will always find a way to complicate the most noble of concepts. What would seem noble and just and right to one culture won't to the next. These differences have to be understood and respected if the human species is to move forward.

And some cultures (or their leaders) don't want to move forward. They want to move backward to some imagined idealized past.

Originally Posted by EDE
^^Along the same lines, the idea of an indigenous population basically leaving Earth in order to maintain their cultural identity/values, a sort of self-imposed space reservation, today just seems symptomatic of the very sort of globalization problems you mention.


Good point. It now suddenly makes sense why the residents of Marzal wanted nothing to do with the outside culture (their Brigadoon dimension hopping aside), and why Starhaven may have existed.

Originally Posted by thoth
It’s based on science fantasy for a younger target audience. It shows a future extrapolated from a narrow set of cultural values, where there’s blind acceptance of authority and where scientific progress is broadly in everyone’s interests. Bad science is the domain of lone evil geniuses.


Good points.

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I think yesteryears readers were able to enjoy a bit of escapism just as we can, just as they knew it for what it was. Science fantasy ran in parallel with growing harder sci-fi, and has receded as time has gone by. Expectations of the older target audience for more mature, continuity-based fare have and the direct market to cater for this readership have also changed what’s on offer.


Another excellent point. Comics--and especially the Legion--were caught between this escapist fantasy and the push by fans toward more realistic or "real" kinds of story telling. Many fans (and I was one of them) equated continuity with "mature" story telling. DC and Marvel obliged by giving us what we wanted. Unfortunately, this came at the expense of challenging readers, of giving us ideas to grow on.

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From mind wiping through mentally invasive interrogations to weather controls, science is seen as a good, progressive thing. It’s appreciated to the point that you think it’s been indoctrinated into the population.


Hmmm.

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There’s a blind acceptance of authority in the Legion. When the Earth President or the head of the Science Police call with a mission, it’s automatically assumed it’s done in the best interests of everyone.
Many of our issues have made their way into the 30th century, but democracy died along the way. The president isn’t a democratically elected one in the Legion. Who knows how the head of Science Police got their job? The Legion go on mission impossible style missions without question. That subservience isn’t a good thing.

Good luck trying to leave the UP. They were going to declare war on Imsk for doing it. Leaving is not an option.


Good points. It's rather uncomfortable to see the Legion's world in this light, but that discomfort is a good thing. It forces us, or me, at least, to examine assumptions I've take for granted.

The Imsk situation parallels the US Civil War. Several states thought they had a perfect right to secede from the union, but Lincoln argued differently. No union would willingly allow its own dissolution, he claimed (or words to that effect). He used this as a justification to preserve the union, which essentially meant no state could ever leave the US. Was he right? The US has certainly emerged as a stronger national force than it would have if the South had left. Many citizens today see themselves as Americans first and foremost and as citizens of a particular state second, whereas before the Civil War, it may have been the reverse. Secessionist movements today are generally regarded as crackpot theories. whereas before the CW they were a very real possibility. Lincoln's actions had profound psychological and cultural implications on the country.

It's interesting to see these issues play out (albeit indirectly) in Legion stories.

Originally Posted by HWW
It’s refreshing to see a done-in-two story with a complete resolution. Furthermore, the Legionnaires are portrayed as professionals at the top of their game. Element Lad comes into his own as leader, showing confidence and refusing to abandon the Legion code… It was much more fun and interesting, I think, when the Legionnaires had to struggle to get things done. In these stories, victory comes too easily, even when our heroes are taking on an entire planet.


I think that this can be difficult for writers to pull off. We’ve recently had Polar Boy freeze something down to absolute zero. Sun Boy’s powers have expanded over the years and he’s not alone. I look back at the Adventure story where the female Legionnaires had enhanced powers. I looked at this as being a natural maturity of those abilities. But it does mean that it can be less of a struggle to resolve stories, with the writer having to come up with threats of a higher order to compete.

It’s not to say it can’t be done. Those same Adventure issues managed to provide varying threats with less powerful Legionnaires providing key roles, while also having to find a way of reducing Superboy’s impact.

But to do that with the current team would either require some in story depowering, a less comparative sort of mission or bigger/ more complex threats.

That lack of complexity let the end of this story down a bit. I wonder if it could have all be fitted into a single no ads issue.

You can arguably go too far in the other direction as Giffen did. No Kryptonians, no daxamites, no HQ, no flight rings etc. Everything becomes a struggle against the odds. One of them couldn’t even get past the HQ vending machine.

I’ve enjoyed the confidence of Wildfire and Dawnstar as a team and when they beat simpler villains as easily as their power and experience suggests. Having Dawny’s tracking ability malfunction has been a bit disappointing. If it was going to frequently not work, I’d have preferred something had been built into the powerset from the start.

Originally Posted by HWW
But here Vi and Tinya use their wits to disable the drives of Tyrraz. It’s an understated victory on their part, and no one makes a big deal of it—as it should be; in the 30th century, one would hope gender wouldn’t make a difference in expecting heroes to win. But, in 1985, their victory still seemed rare.


I read it as Lar still having to arrive to cart off the engines. I’d have preferred Tinya and Vi to have found a permanent solution.

Originally Posted by HWW
“Night of Madness” may have been a piece of fluff, but I enjoyed it, too.


I didn’t think less of it due to its fluffiness. It’s no bad thing to get a mix of stories. Around this time, Giffen was doing shorts in Atari Force and others, and a lot of the are excellent.

Originally Posted by HWW
(really, how many people from other worlds keep up with earth traditions?


Is Halloween before or after Klordny?

Originally Posted by HWW
25. Captain Paragon & The Sentinels of Justice # 3 – Americomics


I got an anthology comic called Americomics decades ago in a swap. It had a character called Dragonfly on the cover. Very good it was too. It had the names of some Charlton characters inside. There must have been a period when they got to use them, but possibly before DC bought the rights?

Thanks for the annual summary. HWW. Fascinating to see. Justice League did better than I expected (even if it is falling), considering it’s the JLD era.
Originally Posted by thoth
I think that this can be difficult for writers to pull off. We’ve recently had Polar Boy freeze something down to absolute zero. Sun Boy’s powers have expanded over the years and he’s not alone. I look back at the Adventure story where the female Legionnaires had enhanced powers. I looked at this as being a natural maturity of those abilities. But it does mean that it can be less of a struggle to resolve stories, with the writer having to come up with threats of a higher order to compete.

It’s not to say it can’t be done. Those same Adventure issues managed to provide varying threats with less powerful Legionnaires providing key roles, while also having to find a way of reducing Superboy’s impact.

But to do that with the current team would either require some in story depowering, a less comparative sort of mission or bigger/ more complex threats.


I'm sure it is difficult, but I think, broadly, that Silver Age writers were better equipped to handle this difficulty than later writers. Hamilton, for example, brought considerable experience as a science fiction author to the table. Even the teenaged Shooter worked in concepts he was learning in school. Writers of Levitz's generation seemed to bring in nothing but comics knowledge. Comics were recycling themselves but not bringing in anything new.

Of course, there was a trade-off. Hamilton, a member of an earlier generation, couldn't figure out what to do with Triplicate Girl whereas the reboot Triad became an effective fighter. Character development and interpersonal relationships were more implied than shown in the Silver Age. One of Levitz's strengths was that he knew his characters inside and out and could develop their personalities and arcs over a great deal of time. Yet where he often failed was in creating believable menaces for the team to handle. I think this is partly because he treated the Legionnaires as gods whose powers could do anything the plot required. I would have been perfectly fine with more power limitations, but that might have been out of step with the popular "blockbuster" style of story telling.

On the other hand, New Teen Titans thrived even thought its leader was the non-powered Nightwing. Cyborg, Changeling, and Wonder Girl all had specific powers with well-defined limitations. No matter what animal Gar became, it was always green. That negated any possibility of him hiding in a zoo, for example.

Developing such limitations is easier, of course, when you have seven characters to work with as opposed to 24. Every time Ultra Boy appears, there's a reminder that he can use only one power at a time, and such reminders are intrusive. They also don't amount to much since he switches powers so quickly and effortlessly that he might as well be able to use them at the same time.

Still, I think some scientific or logical limitations could have been worked in for most characters. Back during the Earth War, Sun Boy remarked that it took him several minutes to burn through one Khund ship. That seemed like a logical limitation for him and one that affected his usefulness in the story. The recent revelation that he cannot control the wavelengths of his light power was more of a throwaway line.

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I read it as Lar still having to arrive to cart off the engines. I’d have preferred Tinya and Vi to have found a permanent solution.


To me, Lar was just doing clean-up duty. It was the girls who brought the planet machine to a halt. But, as always, it's teamwork that matters.

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s Halloween before or after Klordny?


No idea. Perhaps Klordny is celebrated on October 21, Paul Levitz's birthday!

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Thanks for the annual summary. HWW. Fascinating to see. Justice League did better than I expected (even if it is falling), considering it’s the JLD era.


You're most welcome. smile I don't recall the methodology I was using (though I could look it up), but it seems that it was based on the premise that slow and steady wins the race. Blue Devil never reached No. 1, yet it charted very high on the year-end charts for both 1984 and 1985. Such series were more satisfying over the long haul than the books that made a big splash only to peter out due to inconsistent quality and publication.

Originally Posted by HWW
I think, broadly, that Silver Age writers were better equipped to handle this difficulty than later writers. Hamilton, for example, brought considerable experience as a science fiction author to the table. Even the teenaged Shooter worked in concepts he was learning in school. Writers of Levitz's generation seemed to bring in nothing but comics knowledge. Comics were recycling themselves but not bringing in anything new.


This is something I've voiced more than a few times too. nod

Originally Posted by HWW
I think this is partly because he treated the Legionnaires as gods whose powers could do anything the plot required.


I've not thought of them in that way that I'm aware of. I remember liking their increased competency. That was quite a few issues ago, so perhaps I need to relook at that. Having a god like Superboy was a problem the older writers had to contend with. There was a character who could solve anything pretty easily. The trick was to prevent him doing so. I guess that applies to a number of the cast. In this story, there wasn't really anything to prevent the team easing through the obstacles - robots and minions.

Originally Posted by HWW
No idea. Perhaps Klordny is celebrated on October 21, Paul Levitz's birthday!


I forgot to put a smiley on the end of my "joke" Now it lies flatter than Ron Karr in a trouser press. >sigh< smile
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Originally Posted by HWW
I think this is partly because he treated the Legionnaires as gods whose powers could do anything the plot required.


I've not thought of them in that way that I'm aware of. I remember liking their increased competency. That was quite a few issues ago, so perhaps I need to relook at that. Having a god like Superboy was a problem the older writers had to contend with. There was a character who could solve anything pretty easily. The trick was to prevent him doing so. I guess that applies to a number of the cast. In this story, there wasn't really anything to prevent the team easing through the obstacles - robots and minions.


We've talked before about how several characters seem to have "plot powers." I was also thinking of Element Lad whipping up a shield of inertron at a second's notice. In the old days, he could "merely" transform one element into another. While oxygen is an element, I think it stretches things a bit that he can whip up a shield so quickly.

Your point about Superboy having godlike powers is good, but what separated Superboy, I think, was that he had a strong sense of morality and compassion toward others. There were limits he would not cross. Not all power limitations have to be physical.

I also agree that the heroes are demonstrating increased competency as they mature. But even an expert marksman misses occasionally and runs out of bullets. Perhaps there should be more clearly defined limitations to some powers.

I also agree that this story in particular provided few worthy challenges.

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Originally Posted by HWW
No idea. Perhaps Klordny is celebrated on October 21, Paul Levitz's birthday!


I forgot to put a smiley on the end of my "joke" Now it lies flatter than Ron Karr in a trouser press. >sigh< smile



I knew you were joking. smile It was just an excuse for me to research Levitz's birthday. wink
LSH #21 "Obsession" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque, Larry Mahlstadt & Mike DeCarlo, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Brainy and Jan meet in secret below Earth in the tube system. Brainy voices his concerns about Sensor Girl; Jan isn't having it. Quislet spies on them.

In space, there's a prisoner revolt aboard the transport ship from Takron-Galtos. Legionnaires try to contain them, but stop when Titania grabs Shvaughn and threatens to break her neck.

At Legion HQ, Brainy breaks into Sensor Girl's quarters to search for clues, but is surprised by Sensor Girl herself.

On the planet Cizea, Tasmia, Lar, Jo and Tinya enjoy a picnic with meat that Tasmia hunted. Tasmia confides to Tinya that she's worried about Lar.

On the prison transport, the Emerald Empress appears, seeking recruits. Brin and Cham, helped by Thom, take advantage of the distraction to free Titania's hostages. The Legionnaires resume the fight. Suddenly, a darkness descends and Sensor Girl appears, saying they needed her. Brin disagrees.

On Cizea, Tasmia explains that Lar's anti-lead serum is having less effect. Jan interrupts their picnic to ask if everything's okay, since Sensor Girl reported a Legion emergency but didn't say who.

On the transport ship, the Empress is impressed by Sensor Girl and tries to recruit her. Sensor Girl extinguishes the eye and gives the Empress a hard slap. The Empress threatens revenge, then calls Persuader to join her in her new Fatal Five and the two disappear in an energy field.

Aided by Sensor Girl, the Legionnaires subdue the prisoners. Sensor Girl and Violet are impressed by Ayla's competence. Thom notices there are two Violets; Vi captures the fake one, a Durlan.

At Legion HQ, Brainy argues with himself how to balance Sensor Girl's right to privacy with the Legion's security. He believes that the holo-globe he saw in her room is Krypton and convinces himself that she is Supergirl.

Second Story: "Training Session" by Paul Levitz, art by Paris Cullins & Gary Martin, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

Wildfire works with Quislet on training. Quislet is bored with each test Wildfire presents and brings an end to the session by causing Wildfire's suit to explode.

Comments:

I appreciated this more complex story. It had a lot of conversation that revealed both character and plot, as well as a few big surprises: Lar's anti-lead serum is failing, the Emerald Empress is forming a new Fatal Five, Sensor Girl opposes the Empress easily.

Other developments of a more minor nature: Brainy confirms that he thinks Sensor Girl is Supergirl (which the readers no doubt suspected). Vi is admiring Ayla and Ala lays a comforting hand on Vi's shoulder; I hadn't recalled that the set-up for their relationship went back this far. Ayla and Brin are back on speaking terms and Vi consults Brin for his opinion, suggesting that Brin is out of the dumb-as-a-doghouse. Vi still harbours a distaste for Durlans, although she's on good terms with Cham. He mentions teaching her how to subdue a Durlan (grab their antennae) - I wonder if he taught her that before or after she was freed from the sens-tank.

Despite Sensor Girl's handling of the Empress, the Empress comes off as powerful, unruffled, in complete control. She's only momentarily surprised by Sensor Girl's power over the Eye. It's not clear if the Empress ordered Titania to grab hostages, thereby effectively freezing the Legionnaires from action, or if Titania took the initiative, auditioning for a place in the new Fatal Five.

It's not unusual, but there's a very nice bit of teamwork to take down the villains on the transport ship.

We jump right into the prisoners' revolt and find out later that it's the Empress who has freed them.
This imparts a sense of dynamism to that particular story, in which all the action happens; the rest of the issue involves more sombre and quiet exchanges.

Brainy and Jan's meeting underground is a reminder (and Brainy reminds the reader) of the underground discussion regarding Yera's impersonation. This one turns out differently, though: Jan listens, but firmly rejects Brainy's paranoia.

Brainy isn't the only one with questions, however: the other Legionnaires' curiosity is heightened by Sensor Girl's impressive handling of the Empress. Unlike Brainy, the others aren't suspicious of her motives. Cham, ever the detective, is actually onto the truth in a way (does she "do it all with mirrors?") but may not realize it. Sensor Girl's slap and "You offend me" comment is very much unlike Supergirl, but I doubt I would have glommed onto her true identity at this point.

The last page of this story is taken up with Jan and Shvaughn; although their romance is something that Levitz seems to focus on, I found this exchange - essentially, a summary of events - to feel flat after the excitement of the previous pages.

Quislet's spying on Brainy and Jan raises questions: is he nosy, working with Sensor Girl, working with McCauley (who has his own spies), a traitor?

The second story focuses on Quislet. It doesn't really tell us anything but that Quislet is pompous, sets his own agenda and has no respect for authority. Sounds like Wildfire - and it's Wildfire who gets pranked in this story - but the snooping scene of the main story gives this otherwise silly story a more sinister undercurrent.
LoSH v3 #21

LaRocque’s cover may be rougher than Lightle’s work, but it’s a more effective action piece than a number of earlier issues.

There’s no hiding who the villain is, and she has plenty of known Legion adversaries as allies. The use of Ayla, Gim and the Persuader in the foreground give it added depth.

Querl meets leader Jan at the centre of the Earth to reveal a problem within the Legion. It’s a very effective opening page. Through Querl, Levitz reminds us of the Vi/Year switch. Through Jan, we have the embodiment of a mystery Legionnaire joining the team. The choice of meeting place is within a trans world tunnel system. Just the sort of thing that Supergirl formed during her try out for the Leigon.

The only down point is that Jan refers to them having to wear outfits. Querl has put on a coat. So, it’s not much of a change.

Jan listens patiently to Querl’s reasoning. But he has made his decision to trust Sensor Girl, and Imra in asking for a vote to let her in. In so many comics this would have been a scene of histrionics and posturing. Here, it’s a quiet exchange between two old colleagues on different sides. Jan is surely aware of the consequences of something obsessing Querl. Querl is surely aware of the consequences of acting against the wishes of his leader, and in Imra, oldest colleague. The scene ends with them leaving together. But the issue isn’t resolved. Quislet has been spying on the exchange, which could throw all manner of complications into the scenario, considering he’s not terribly interested in tact.

The issue is a Crisis crossover of sorts. In the maxi series Takron Galtos was destroyed. The Legion rescued as many from the planetoid as they could. Here, they are transporting them to a new prison, and some of the inmates are looking to escape en route. The ark ship they are travelling in, reminds me very much of a proposed design from a sci fi film (Alien I think).

It’s an opportunity for the Legion to have a solid action scene. Brin, Vi and Ayla take the lead and all are assertive and proactive. Ayla eases into the role of field leader. Brin is the one to see the desire for a fight in the villains’ eyes.

Although we’d get to see a lot of the LSV during this period, they still carry a bit of their earlier threat in the opening panels. They manage to hold off the Legion when Titania knocks out Thom and takes Erin hostage. As the villains begin to negotiate for the ship, we learn that they didn’t break out on their own. Someone let them out. We’re not kept in suspense, as the Emerald Empress shifts through the hull.

The Persuader tells the Empress that he never thought she’d end up so tough (after a moment where she might have killed a hostage off panel). She’s always been a very capable opponent though, right from the Fatal Five’s introduction.

The same can’t be said for some of the remaining members of the Five. Validus was rescued by Darkseid from Galtos, and is effectively missing. His fate and true origin would be revealed in an Annual. Mano has been beaten on a number of occasions. Like the Persuader, his lethal power means that he really can’t be seen to be using it. That diminishes his threat over time. The Persuader, as a mercenary enforcer. did do really well in the recent Talok storyline despite being on the losing side. The same problem exists with the LSV, particularly the Super Assassin members.

The Empress clearly thinks the same. She’s looking to recruit a new Fatal Five and the Persuader is shocked that he might not be included. The Empress looks to the Legionnaires, only to be met with a firm rebuff from Ayla and Gim (who was once forced to aid the LSV). As the Empress talks, the ever-keen Brin frees the hostages with Cham’s help and the fight restarts.

Levitz keeps the battle to little bursts: The first encounter, followed by a stand off and the appearance of the Empress. A further fight, ended by the arrival of Sensor Girl. Both parallel appearances brought together as the Empress offers Sensor Girl membership in her new line up.

Following on from the opening scene, Brainy justifies snooping in Sensor Girl’s quarters by saying it’s for the good of the team. Computo is the HQ majordomo, but Brainy can override it. This is something that should worry his colleagues should they learn of it. Brainy wipes the record to make that less likely. Legionnaires must trust each other, he thinks to himself. But the only trust issues rest with him. A vast intelligence, but one that’s focusing down the wrong path. Much like his Computo creation. Brainy makes some discoveries. A holo of an unknown world; a flight ring that Sensor Girl seemingly doesn’t seem to need. But Sensor Girl returns, blanks Brainy’s senses and deposits him outside before flying off. The S on her costume looks particularly distinctive form that angle.

The stand off between Empress and Sensor Girl is a classic scene. Her evaluation changes through the scene. Sarya recognises a peer immediately. But it’s one to be used. When Sensor Girl isn’t affected by the eye, Sarya is thrilled more than scared. She offers Sensor Girl a partnership: To rule together. Jeckie had directly asked Sarya’s plans, something that the Empress also respected.

When Jeckie slaps away the offer of membership, Sarya tells her that she will pay for the insult and another Legion/ villain grudge is established. But it’s one built on respect as well as enmity. The tone of each in the exchange reflects comic book nobility. Only the super-convenience of Brin throwing Hunter into Jeckie prevents the battle continuing.

As on Talok, and other issues, Gim tackles the Persuader while Brin gets the upper hand on Titania. The departing Empress takes the Persuader as the best of an indifferent bunch of potential recruits. Ayla threatens the remaining villains back into their cells. Vi’s impressed with Ayla since her return. Chameleon Chief is lucky Vi didn’t hurt him more after trying to impersonate her. Vi had previously thought Cham’s transformations were icky, even if she liked him. She doesn’t like to even touch Chameleon Chief.

Brainy knows the potential cost of his actions, but it doesn’t seem likely to stay his hand. He has concluded that the holo world was Krypton and that Sensor Girl is Supergirl. He looks feverish and his longer hair gives him a more manic look.

Sensor Girl is also the topic of conversation back on the prison ark. Brainy thinks that it’s somehow Kara, just “twisted.” That rules out him knowingly having brought back a Supergirl robot, or saving Kara directly while promoting a Kara or Satan Girl survival by other means. Brainy’s conscious thoughts when it comes to Supergirl robots has been cloudy, to say the least, in the past.

Vi mentions a criminal past, Cham that she does it with mirrors and Brin who says that no one can do the things she seems to. Jan, providing a close to the opening scene tells Erin that he has no more information on Sensor Girl than the rest of them do. He trusts Saturn Girl, and that’s all he needs, or wants, to know. Jan and Erin have a nice moment together as the story reaches its close. There’s no cliffhanger. Instead, the issue pushes on a number of strong subplots. It could have offered Brainy reaching his Kara conclusion as the final page, vowing to find the truth. So, it’s not as though there weren’t cliff hanger moments in the story we got.

Another subplot with two scenes involves Tasmia and Lar. We’ve seen them and Jo and Tinya in numerous scenes together before. They have strong relationships and it’s good to see them discuss problems. Tasmia isn’t immediately open about it. We’ve seen hints in previous issues that things haven’t been great with her and Lar. But she’s with her best friend and we find out that Lar’s serum is wearing off. Brainy, while obsessing over Sensor Girl, has been working on a solution. The subplot on his obsession has a direct impact on Lar and Tasmia if things go wrong.

Characters too often hide problems/issues beyond the suspension of disbelief. Scenes, by nature designed to be dramatic, are cut off before anything is learned. But if we’re to believe the characters interact on a regular basis, it’s unlikely that the topic doesn’t come up in between plot points. Levitz shows a more natural way of doing this, without losing any of the impact. It’s a quiet scene with thunderous portent. We also learn that Tasmia hunted their dinner, which is a nice character aside. It odes raise the question on Legionnaires taking lives in a galaxy where any species could produce a prospective member of the team. :smile;

This is a very well plotted issue. We keep to a core cast, with Gim and Thom to pad out the prison ark team. Jan is involved in each of the subplots providing a continuous thread through the issue. His quiet approach to leadership also allows the focus to remain on each of those plots. The characterisation is also excellent, and dialogue moving the plot more than the action. The action we do get is solid and also, in Ayla and Brin, shows the group in a very good light.

La Rocque’s art still has weak spots, but the faces are becoming more distinctively his now, just as the hair was. The action is well choreographed by him. Having Brin with no Jo, Drake, Lar or Kal around lets him find his niche easily. We can only hope that the remaining three members of the new Fatal Five have half the impact of the original group.

I had been inspecting Snoop Lad to reveal some detail in the back up feature. But Quislet is being put through his training paces by Wildfire. Much like the issue when Blok simply walked through the obstacle course, Quislet has his own ideas. The reader gets a reprise of his powers and that larger objects take longer to disintegrate. As the reader learns more, Quiselt becomes increasing bored. Eventually he takes it out on Wildfire’s containment suit. Quislet is not oblivious to his actions. He knows Wildfire will be angry. Some might hesitate to remind Drake, once again, that he’s really a blob of energy. Quislet, Being one himself, probably doesn’t see the problem. It’s a fun little fill in with a comedy pay off. Cullins’ art is excellent.
Originally Posted by thoth
The choice of meeting place is within a trans world tunnel system. Just the sort of thing that Supergirl formed during her try out for the Leigon.


Nice connection!

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The only down point is that Jan refers to them having to wear outfits. Querl has put on a coat. So, it’s not much of a change.


Yeah, I didn't really buy that. They've used serious disguises in the past, so a blue coat doesn't hide their identities.

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The Empress clearly thinks the same. She’s looking to recruit a new Fatal Five and the Persuader is shocked that he might not be included. The Empress looks to the Legionnaires, only to be met with a firm rebuff from Ayla and Gim (who was once forced to aid the LSV).


It was a surprising request to make - did the Empress sense some dissatisfaction with the Legionnaires, to think that one of them might join her? Of course, she did try to recruit Superboy, so maybe it's just an obsession she has. Must. Recruit. A. Legionnaire!

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Brainy, while obsessing over Sensor Girl, has been working on a solution. The subplot on his obsession has a direct impact on Lar and Tasmia if things go wrong.


In the previous issue, I thought Tasmia's concern for Brainy was based on friendship/prior relationship but this issue could put it in the light of self-interest. If Brainy's over the edge, Lar's serum doesn't get fixed.

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Characters too often hide problems/issues beyond the suspension of disbelief. Scenes, by nature designed to be dramatic, are cut off before anything is learned. But if we’re to believe the characters interact on a regular basis, it’s unlikely that the topic doesn’t come up in between plot points. Levitz shows a more natural way of doing this, without losing any of the impact. It’s a quiet scene with thunderous portent.


I like that Levitz has enough confidence in the readers to have us fill in the blanks between scenes and issues.

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We also learn that Tasmia hunted their dinner, which is a nice character aside. It odes raise the question on Legionnaires taking lives in a galaxy where any species could produce a prospective member of the team.


Oh, dear. Hadn't thought about that. The next Legion try-out or new Academy class could present some awkward situations.

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Quislet is not oblivious to his actions. He knows Wildfire will be angry. Some might hesitate to remind Drake, once again, that he’s really a blob of energy. Quislet, Being one himself, probably doesn’t see the problem. It’s a fun little fill in with a comedy pay off. Cullins’ art is excellent.


Good observation that they're both energy beings, but Quislet doesn't have a problem with that.

I recognized Astro Boy, but are the others all manga figures?
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After several lackluster stories, “Obsession” shows the Legion DBAU (doing business as usual) while advancing subplots in significant ways.

The DBAU part comes from the Legionnaires quashing a prison riot of the ex-Takron Galtos inmates, who have broken out of the cells aboard the transport vessel. But this is not just an ordinary riot. It has been engineered by the Emerald Empress to test potential recruits for a new Fatal Five. This development builds nicely off of previous stories, especially Sarya going it alone but striking up a partnership with Ontiir. I’ve always wondered why Sarya needed a Fatal Five to begin with and why she accepted a subordinate role to Tharok. Here she reveals her intention to lead her own Five, and even deems her former colleague, the Persuader, as barely worthy of participation.

It seems odd that Sarya would try to recruit the Legionnaires to her cause, but her scene with Sensor Girl is quite compelling. It reveals a few things about Sensor Girl that, in hindsight, are fun to pick up on. SG’s “You offend me” line is certainly out of character for Kara but fits Projectra perfectly. The faux empress clearly recognizes a “peer,” who will turn out to be a real queen. SG proves to be more powerful than Sarya expected, and we’re left to guess what happens here, but it seems that Projectra’s illusion power gets one over on the Eye—an easy thing to do if the Eye doesn’t realize it’s up against an illusion.

The Sensor Girl subplot dovetails well with Brainy’s efforts to resolve the mystery. Initially, Brainy tries to do the right thing by reaching out to Element Lad but is rebuffed. Jan’s loyalty to Saturn Girl is commendable, but he still has a way go as leader; he should have known Brainy wouldn’t let this drop. Perhaps he could have told Brainy to proceed with his investigation quietly as a means of keeping the latter occupied. As it is, Jan only fuels Querl’s desire to find the truth.

Jan’s situation reminds me of Lyle’s back in Adv. 350-351, when the latter gave his word that the Legion wouldn’t try to find out the true identities of Sir Prize and Miss Terious. However, it was a more innocent time then, and the Legion hadn’t recently discovered that one of its own had been impersonated for months (as Brainy rightly points out). Also, Jo, who tried to break Lyle’s word, was easily placated with a punch to the jaw. Brainy is far more determined—and has only recently recovered from insanity. Jan dismisses his concerns at the team’s peril.

So, Brainy does what seems logical and right to him. He invades Sensor Girl’s quarters and discovers and important clue to her identity before she arrives and blinds him. (Again, an illusion can be highly effective if your opponent doesn’t know it’s an illusion.) It’s fun to realize in hindsight that the world in the globe is likely Orando. Brainy, obsessed with Kara, cannot see any other possibility than it being Krypton. (His temporary blindness matches his actual blindness—a nice touch.)

Elsewhere, we get a well-developed sequence of Lar, Jo, Tasmia, and Tinya going camping, and Tasmia confiding in Tinya that Lar’s lead serum is wearing off. The dosage is lasting less and less, suggesting Lar is developing an immunity to it. At last, the recent interactions between Tasmia and Lar make sense. But the women keep their conversation to themselves and allow their boyfriends to play the macho heroes, literally sweeping them off their feet. But the concern over Lar’s serum is out there and moves the storyline forward exponentially.

This story exhibits the tightness, complexity, action, and characterization that made the best of the Levitz/Giffen era, well, the best. The Legionnaires come across as real people we care about. They are at the top of their game as heroes but have significant flaws—especially Brainy and Jan—which bode ill for the future. “Obsession” was well-paced and builds naturally, even on re-read.

As for “Training Session”—meh. I wonder if it was intended to show Wildfire getting his comeuppance from a rookie who is even more irreverent and self-important than he is. However, I found both characters annoying and learned nothing new about them.
I was highly impressed with this issue at the time, as well.

Top 25
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1. Dreadstar # 23 -- Marvel/Epic
2. New Teen Titans # 19 -- DC
3. Deadman # 2 -- DC
4. Legion of Super-Heroes # 21 -- DC
5. DC Challenge # 6 -- DC
6. Infinity Inc. # 25 -- DC
7. Squadron Supreme # 9 -- Marvel
8. Miracleman # 4 -- Eclipse
9. Star Trek # 26 -- DC
10. Nexus # 20 -- First

11. Fury of Firestorm # 47 -- DC
12. Green Lantern # 199 -- DC
13. X-Factor # 3 -- Marvel
14. DC Comics Presents # 93 -- DC
15. Original E-Man & Michael Mauser # 6 -- First
16. Legionnaires 3 # 4 -- DC
17. West Coast Avengers # 8 -- Marvel
18. Iron Man # 205 -- Marvel
19. Bozz Chronicles # 2 -- Marvel/Epic
20. Power Man & Iron Fist # 123 -- Marvel

21. Blue Devil # 23 -- DC
22. Elementals # 5 -- Comico
23. Captain America # 317 -- Marvel
24. Secret Origins # 2 -- DC
25. Fantastic Four # 289 -- Marvel
Originally Posted by FC
In the previous issue, I thought Tasmia's concern for Brainy was based on friendship/prior relationship but this issue could put it in the light of self-interest. If Brainy's over the edge, Lar's serum doesn't get fixed.


Ahhh . . . quite an interesting reading of Tasmia's actions.

Originally Posted by thoth
Only the super-convenience of Brin throwing Hunter into Jeckie prevents the battle continuing.


I was troubled by that scene. Not even Brin's that sloppy. It demotes him back to the dumb as a door nail department.

Originally Posted by FC
Vi still harbours a distaste for Durlans, although she's on good terms with Cham. He mentions teaching her how to subdue a Durlan (grab their antennae) - I wonder if he taught her that before or after she was freed from the sens-tank.


There's apparently a continuity glitch. In previous stories, Chameleon Chief didn't have antennae, and it was mentioned somewhere (and reported in the Legion Handbook) that CC is not a Durlan. Although the Durlan shown here is not referred to by name, he does seem to be wearing CC's costume.
We all enjoyed this issue more than the previous ones; if Annfie were posting right now, I believe she'd agree.

Originally Posted by HWW
This development builds nicely off of previous stories, especially Sarya going it alone but striking up a partnership with Ontiir. I’ve always wondered why Sarya needed a Fatal Five to begin with and why she accepted a subordinate role to Tharok. Here she reveals her intention to lead her own Five, and even deems her former colleague, the Persuader, as barely worthy of participation.


That's a valid question about Sarya needing or wanting partners. It was never addressed, I believe.

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Jan’s situation reminds me of Lyle’s back in Adv. 350-351, when the latter gave his word that the Legion wouldn’t try to find out the true identities of Sir Prize and Miss Terious. However, it was a more innocent time then, and the Legion hadn’t recently discovered that one of its own had been impersonated for months (as Brainy rightly points out). Also, Jo, who tried to break Lyle’s word, was easily placated with a punch to the jaw. Brainy is far more determined—and has only recently recovered from insanity. Jan dismisses his concerns at the team’s peril.


Good reminder, one that was skipped when Brainy mentioned how they dealt with Jan's secrecy when he first joined. I wonder if another leader, especially Saturn Girl, would have handled Brainy's arguments and obsession differently. Jan does seem all too trusting in Brainy's stability.

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So, Brainy does what seems logical and right to him. He invades Sensor Girl’s quarters and discovers and important clue to her identity before she arrives and blinds him. (Again, an illusion can be highly effective if your opponent doesn’t know it’s an illusion.) It’s fun to realize in hindsight that the world in the globe is likely Orando. Brainy, obsessed with Kara, cannot see any other possibility than it being Krypton. (His temporary blindness matches his actual blindness—a nice touch.)


He's something of a narcissist and assumes that whatever he thinks must be right. At least he is operating, initially, from a view of protecting the team. And the blindness is a nice touch, although his eyes aren't open yet. Could Sensor Girl have revealed her identity to him and ended his obsession, without revealing the mystery to the reader, without destroying the story?
Good point about Brainy being a narcissist.

I suppose SG could have revealed her identity to him, but why should she? She and Brainy were never shown to be close (and later stories would play up the magic versus science debate, creating antagonism between them), and, besides, Her Royal Highness would never confide in him just to get him off her back. I think she handled it in a totally appropriate and Projectra-like manner.
I agree, she did handle it true to form. I was engaging in a mental exercise, wondering if she could also have confronted him with the truth to get him back on track, for the good of the team - at the same time, put him in his place as someone who's out of control. He'd be so embarrassed, he'd keep his mouth shut, or be satisfied that he had privileged information. Of course then his change in attitude might be noticed by others, or Element Lad in particular, and raise questions.
LSH #22 "Dead End" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque, Larry Mahlstadt & Mike DeCarlo, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Universo works his mind control power over a man calling himself the Restorer, who wants to return Earth to its pre-technology days, using him as a tool to spread confusion. It's revealed that Universo is disguised as Vid Gupta, advisor to President Desai.

The Legionnaires get the prisoners to their new prison, Labyrinth, in which they are held in stasis. Cham explains to Sensor Girl that it's surrounded by a powerful force field developed by Brainiac 5; she's both surprised and apparently disturbed. She flies off past the prisoners, expressing her contempt. The Legionnaires help with some construction before leaving. Vi makes a snide remark about Sensor Girl.

On Earth, The Restorer attacks Metropolis University, causing rubble to trap Rond Vidar and another professor. Legionnaires arrive to handle the situation; Wildfire chases The Restorer while the others secure the crumbling building and help the injured.

In Legion HQ, overheard by Tasmia, Lar talks to himself about the declining effectiveness of his anti-lead serum, now down to 20 from 48 hours.

The injured from the University have been taken to a Medi-Complex; Rond Vidar receives special attention from a doctor who turns out to be under Universo's control.

At HQ, Legionnaires discuss The Restorer, who has not been found. Zendak has given them access to police files. Brainy determines that The Restorer's own equipment was stolen from the Techno-Park as well as the University. Since The Restorer uses external energy and had swiped energy from Wildfire, Brainy suspects that his next target could be a fusion powersphere, given what he stole from the University.

On Labyrinth, Ayla charges the control room and is thanked by Warden Tsarquin, who she finds creepy due to his eyestalk. As the Legionnaires leave, Vi congratulates Ayla and they have an exchange about life changes. They're interrupted by Sensor Girl, who detects someone who shouldn't be on their ship. She senses he's inside a console, which Timber Wolf tears apart.

Teams of Legionnaires guard powerspheres on Earth. Brek complains about the lack of action. The Restorer attacks London, overpowering Jo with radiation. Dawnstar rapidly detaches The Restorer's power circuit, but is shocked unconscious. Jo melts the villain's equipment and Tellus causes his suit to break apart. Tellus tries to read his thoughts, but The Restorer destroys his own mind. The Legionnaires are left wondering how the Restorer mind-controlled the SP officers at the Techno-Park.

Zendak reports on the case to President Desai, who says that the SPs, not the Legionnaires, should have caught the Restorer. Vid Gupta assures Desai that he has plans for the Legion and how to get Earth into good working order. He thinks to himself that the one man who could stop him is lying in the Medi-Complex.

Comments:

Some action, but more set-up in this issue - and the set-up itself is pretty interesting. The Empress takes a back seat for the return of Universo, who has a lot on the agenda. That he's controlling Desai, The Restorer, a doctor and random SP officers leads one to wonder just who else might be under his influence. The contrast with the Empress is striking: she's in your face and asking you to join her while Universo operates behind layers of deception.

Much of the interest, for me, comes from the characters' conversation. There's nothing dramatic, just a building of distinctive and believable personalities. The Ayla-Vi exchange illustrates their burgeoning relationship and while Ayla shows great confidence on the mission (and appears to be team leader), she falters when Vi asks her a personal question.

Brainy's back on track, no sign of his Sensor Girl mania, although it seems unlikely that he'd have abandoned his pursuit of her identity. The other Legionnaires have various takes on the Sensor Girl mystery, but apart from some sniping from Vi, there's nothing negative.

As for The Restorer, I like the idea of somebody who wants to return Earth to its pre-tech days, but that's got to be a virtually impossible goal. These sorts tend to be the villains; too bad there aren't any back-to-nature idealists with good intentions and noble behaviour. Of course, there's a sad irony to The Restorer relying on technology to destroy technology. That the Legionnaires discuss whether or not he's a madman suggests that there may be some with similar ideals who might simply be idealists.

Zendak indulges the Legion; it's a practical and reasonable approach based on his experience, but one that displeases Desai/Gupta and one which might well be unusual for an SP Chief. With Marte Allon gone from power, Zendak's support is surely important to the Legion.

I'm not clear what's meant by Cham's surprise that Sensor Girl didn't know about Brainy's role in creating Labyrinth nor why she should be disturbed by it.

The cover is one I never paid much attention to before, disliking these composite superhero characters. This image, however, is more than just random characters put together: Brainy is paired with Sensor Girl, Tellus with Universo and Dawnstar with The Restorer. Jo might have been the selection, being on the team that finally brought The Restorer down, but Dawnstar, from a low-tech society herself, is a nicely balanced match.



Aside from the plot connections, I like that selection of characters for the cover as well because you can instantly tell who they are with really limited visual cues - it's a clever selection (the exceptions being the Restorer and Universo for readers who weren't familiar with him but I think that works too...it raises your interest because they're clearly not Legionnaires like everyone else there)
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An interesting composite cover. I’m not sure if I’d have got the Silver Age Universo stories by this point. I don’t think so, and the flashback issue from the Levitz/Giffen era was only picked up as a back issue too, and after a lot of others from around that time.

There’s no mystery on who is behind events in this issue. After little reminders of the science police techno park incident, we’re not only shown Universo, but his persona as vid gupta too. He controls another science police officer in this opening scene to connect it to his earlier actions. It’s careless of him to be caught on the scene and launching point of the issue’s villain.

A direct approach to plot pushing occurs in the next scene too. Cham and Sensor Girl are overseeing the activation of a new force shield around prison planet Labyrinth. Levitz has Sensor Girl act oddly regarding some information that she didn’t know. Cham tells the reader that “it’s almost as though she didn’t know about her own world or time.” That’s a stretch even for someone with Durlan powers. Sensor Girl not catching the news that day would be a far simpler explanation.

We’re given an extension of Brainy’s technology in the wider UP here. It’s not only the Legion who benefits from his skill. The force field could also be used against the next Computo or Omega too.

Labyrinth is Levitz’s updated Takron Galtos. We get a mini tour of it in this issue. It is honeycombed with tunnels, has a forcefield, has an unusual power supply and we see Ayla charge its weapons systems. We also meet its warden, replacing the TG warden who didn’t get a subplot developed only recently. And that’s the fate of Labyrinth. It never really gets enough plot time to establish it as anything better. It has Sleeper Suspense Cells keeping the criminals unconscious, and no doubt violating a number of rights along the way.

Sensor Girl feels the suspicions of her colleagues, and it’s not a good time to run into Salu “Snark Girl” Digby. But her comment here, and Ayla ordering Brin around is actually part of a set up for a later scene. Craft points here.

We return to the first attack of the villain under Universo’s control. He’s wearing a technologically based suit, while going on a rampage against technology. Universo must really have addled his brain. Perhaps this is Levitz’s take on an Iron Man who, renouncing selling weapons, becomes something of a zealot in other ways.

Of note we get some other citizens speaking like Comet Queen and a Clark Kent look a like from LaRocque. Is there a Cult of Kent. Is it really Clark sneaking to the future and not wanting to encounter his now older legion friends?

The villain calls himself the Restorer. I think I missed that when I first read it, and the villain became even more of a throw away character as a result. Levitz makes it a decent first encounter with the Legion. The Restorer has energy syphoning equipment, reminding me of Absorbency Boy. He also has dampening devices. Had we not already known that Universo was the villain I would think it was McCauley whose agent had something similar. The gadgets are a way of facing Wildfire and not being beaten. Sun Boy uses his original powers of brightness rather than melting anything. Magnetic Kid is conveniently last on the scene and then distracted by a collapsing building. Tellus and Brainy are likewise distracted by the casualties. Levitz gets points for ensuring everyone had a reason not to catch the bad guy.

As he’s still on Earth, the Restorer can evade Dawnstar’s powers too, as Levitz is quick to tell us to keep another plot solution away from the team. Thankfully that Clark Kent look-a-like wasn’t Superboy after all. We’d have to have had a Kryptonite reference thrown in for good measure to keep another Legionnaire from capturing him. As it is, Lar isn’t on the mission. The subplot regarding his serum wearing off deepens. We see the pain he’s going through as the time he has between doses lessens, and we see how it’s affecting Tasmia too. This is a very well worked subplot, that’s been growing in intensity for some time.

Rond Vidar is being cared for in hospital. Unfortunately, his doctor is also under the control of Universo. Like Universo himself, I doubt I would have read Rond’s key role in defeating the villain form the Silver Age. Rereading it now, it’s a very nice reminder from Levitz and a natural move from the villain. Even if he did get lucky with Rond’s injuries. The Restorer didn’t look to be targeting him. I remember reading something suggesting that Levitz’s plans for Rond ended up being something quite different. That subplot goes through a key step here.

The guy who’s trying to find a solution to Lar’s issues is also helping with the mission. While test results may take time, I wonder who they both feel about seeing Brainy otherwise occupied or obsessed.

Brainy makes a little criticism of Element Lad’s leadership, but Jan continues to be quiet and firm with him. Levitz reminds us clearly about the link to the controlled SPs and the attack on the techno park. Brainy also handily leads the reader to the villain’s next target. That’s a bit of an easy out for Levitz. Brainy thought of it as logical, therefore it’s fine to make it the plot point with little detective work. To be fair, the Legion are at least posted at every power sphere. The team of Lar, Tasmia and Brek are seen first, allowing for another moment to reflect on Lar’s problem and the thought of a Legion without him.

As the mission team leaves Labyrinth, Vi compliments Ayla on her ability as mission leader. This is a big payoff scene for Levitz. Vi has reassessed everything since she recovered form her time in the sens-tank. Having decided to rejoin the team, Ayla has been proactive and a capable team leader. We see both see how far they’ve come and both are given an opportunity by Levitz to make a further change.

Levitz could have left the scene at “I’ve changed my whole life, Ayla. What about you?” Instead, we get a few more panels as we see Ayla’s reaction to Vi’s words. It’s a conversation that’s arrived suddenly, moving her away form that comfortable team leader position she was in only a few panels before. There’s also emphasis when Vi says that they don’t know each other that well. Ayla has certainly been given something to think about.

The actions of pesky Micro Lad interrupt. Sensor Girl has located him, giving the others another chance to wonder who she is. We get a few options reinforced. It’s nice to see that Gim is simply focused on the mission. Vi captures Micro Lad again, as she’s done frequently since the opening arc of this volume. Since Micro Lad was partly responsible for putting her in the sens-tank, it’s fitting that he’s beaten as Vi looks to regain some closeness to one of her colleagues.

Jo, Dawny and Tellus are the ones to encounter the Restorer. Each plays an active part in the capture with both Jo and Dawny suffering a set back to keep it balanced. The Restorer is even more like Iron Man in this sequence with a number of energy blasts from his armour. The villain seemingly destroys his own mind rather than allow Tellus to successfully probe it. The Legion aren’t happy about the case closing this way, but do think that the Restorer was responsible for controlling the SP officers.

I gave a little sigh when I saw this was this week’s reread. I felt that the Restorer was a forgettable ACME villain, and that there wasn’t much else to the issue. The Restorer remains an ACME villain, but there’s a lot of other good things going on.

The throw away of the Restorer wanting to return Earth to a previous age, could have hinted at time travel, which could have led to a tiny Universo theme. But that’s not really what was delivered. He was a pawn throughout, with just as many toys as it took to give the Legion a few fight scenes. He acted as a fall guy for the SP raids. That gave Universo time to put the rest of his plan in place, as he tells the President towards the end of the issue. As a bonus, Rond has been removed from the board for now. These are more subtle manoeuvres from a villain that you’d see in most books. Not recognising that is probably why I recall the issue for the Restorer alone.

Elsewhere, there’s a big character moment for both Vi and Ayla. The Lar & Tasmia subplot is dark and chilling, even when they weren’t with Brek. We saw Levitz manoeuvre characters away form capturing the villain too soon here. How strong is the siren call to remove some of these powerful characters on a more permanent basis? Things do look bleak for Lar. It didn’t take Crisis to make me think that characters would always be around.

Sensor Girl is the focus of the new members. The mystery of her identity calms down a little from last issue, but is clearly occupying the minds of most of the team. Tellus once again acts as solid support for other members of the team. His powers are compared to Magnetic Kid’s at one point, highlighting just how little Pol has had to do so far. Brek looks as though he’s going to get a chance, but doesn’t. He’s beginning to feel frustrated by it. So, plenty of excellent character moments throughout the issue.

Levitz also gets points for the little setups. Vi and Ayla getting establishing dialogue before their later encounter. Tasmia watching Lar wait for his serum acting continuing into their scenes with Brek, which also connected to the main plot of the issue. Lots of little bits of craft that Levitz adds as the subplots weave together. I think Levitz now moving into using the expanded number of pages also pays off nicely for the Legion generally.

Artwise, we get some classic panels. Wildfire on page 9 looking to punch out the Restorer and Tasmia and Lar on pages 11 and 20 stand out in particular. I like the villains in their cells too. But there’s generally a nice combination this issue and its another chance to give Gafford the credit that I should add into the reviews of most issues.

As an aside, the inside cover is advertising Electric Warrior #1. DC have just “reimagined” this and added some Legion connections to it. Actually, there’s a full page ad for it towards the back of this issue too. “Tomorrow’s Cops…Built To Kill.” No Legion membership for you, Mr. Warrior. smile
Originally Posted by razsolo
Aside from the plot connections, I like that selection of characters for the cover as well because you can instantly tell who they are with really limited visual cues - it's a clever selection (the exceptions being the Restorer and Universo for readers who weren't familiar with him but I think that works too...it raises your interest because they're clearly not Legionnaires like everyone else there)


It just occurred to me reading your comment that Sensor Girl is on the villain side, which could have been a red herring for readers.

Originally Posted by thoth
Labyrinth is Levitz’s updated Takron Galtos. We get a mini tour of it in this issue. It is honeycombed with tunnels, has a forcefield, has an unusual power supply and we see Ayla charge its weapons systems. We also meet its warden, replacing the TG warden who didn’t get a subplot developed only recently. And that’s the fate of Labyrinth. It never really gets enough plot time to establish it as anything better. It has Sleeper Suspense Cells keeping the criminals unconscious, and no doubt violating a number of rights along the way.


It never attains the prominence of Takron Galtos. At least sleeper cells are a step up from space guillotines, in terms of sentient rights.

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he villain calls himself the Restorer. I think I missed that when I first read it, and the villain became even more of a throw away character as a result. Levitz makes it a decent first encounter with the Legion. The Restorer has energy syphoning equipment, reminding me of Absorbency Boy.


Come to think of it, there may have been another energy siphoner back in the first Levitz run. I vaguely recall somebody with a grudge against the Legion, related to his father's treatment. Will search later.

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The actions of pesky Micro Lad interrupt. Sensor Girl has located him, giving the others another chance to wonder who she is. We get a few options reinforced. It’s nice to see that Gim is simply focused on the mission. Vi captures Micro Lad again, as she’s done frequently since the opening arc of this volume.


He sure does keep coming back, or trying to escape. Maybe he wants to be the 30th century Mister Miracle.

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I gave a little sigh when I saw this was this week’s reread. I felt that the Restorer was a forgettable ACME villain, and that there wasn’t much else to the issue. The Restorer remains an ACME villain, but there’s a lot of other good things going on.

The throw away of the Restorer wanting to return Earth to a previous age, could have hinted at time travel, which could have led to a tiny Universo theme. But that’s not really what was delivered. He was a pawn throughout, with just as many toys as it took to give the Legion a few fight scenes. He acted as a fall guy for the SP raids. That gave Universo time to put the rest of his plan in place, as he tells the President towards the end of the issue. As a bonus, Rond has been removed from the board for now. These are more subtle manoeuvres from a villain that you’d see in most books. Not recognising that is probably why I recall the issue for the Restorer alone.


The Restorer is pretty unremarkable and probably wouldn't have been anything but an annoying crank without Universo. I've also found that some of these issues are more interesting than I'd remembered for the reasons you cite.

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The Lar & Tasmia subplot is dark and chilling, even when they weren’t with Brek. We saw Levitz manoeuvre characters away form capturing the villain too soon here. How strong is the siren call to remove some of these powerful characters on a more permanent basis? Things do look bleak for Lar. It didn’t take Crisis to make me think that characters would always be around.


Do you think removing Lar permanently (or for an extended period) was seriously considered? He's really come into his own since Superboy was removed. Interesting to contemplate the possible ramifications of eliminating him. Tasmia might leave as well. Jo would become the big powerhouse character. The Legion might recruit a replacement - maybe Gravity Kid would be called up. And so on....

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Brek looks as though he’s going to get a chance, but doesn’t. He’s beginning to feel frustrated by it.


This lack of action for Brek is curious, now that he's finally been accepted by the Legion. One gets the sense that they let him in just so he'd stop yapping at the door.

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Levitz also gets points for the little setups. Vi and Ayla getting establishing dialogue before their later encounter. Tasmia watching Lar wait for his serum acting continuing into their scenes with Brek, which also connected to the main plot of the issue. Lots of little bits of craft that Levitz adds as the subplots weave together. I think Levitz now moving into using the expanded number of pages also pays off nicely for the Legion generally.


The extra pages certainly do provide a lot of story. I like the way the subplots weave together. Nothing happens in isolation. It's more like a family saga.

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As an aside, the inside cover is advertising Electric Warrior #1. DC have just “reimagined” this and added some Legion connections to it. Actually, there’s a full page ad for it towards the back of this issue too. “Tomorrow’s Cops…Built To Kill.” No Legion membership for you, Mr. Warrior. smile


A strange coincidence in timing! I never read the original.
Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
That he's controlling Desai, The Restorer, a doctor and random SP officers leads one to wonder just who else might be under his influence.


Crumbs! He’s worse than the Manhunters!

Originally Posted by Cramer
The contrast with the Empress is striking: she's in your face and asking you to join her while Universo operates behind layers of deception.


Good spot, and probably something that wasn’t lost on Levitz.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Much of the interest, for me, comes from the characters' conversation. There's nothing dramatic, just a building of distinctive and believable personalities. The Ayla-Vi exchange illustrates their burgeoning relationship and while Ayla shows great confidence on the mission (and appears to be team leader), she falters when Vi asks her a personal question.


I’d agree that these were the strongest parts of the issue by far.

Originally Posted by Cramer
I'm not clear what's meant by Cham's surprise that Sensor Girl didn't know about Brainy's role in creating Labyrinth nor why she should be disturbed by it.


Just Levitz getting one of the characters to overreach, I think. There’s no reason for any character to be expected to keep up with every event in the UP.

Originally Posted by Cramer
The cover is one I never paid much attention to before, disliking these composite superhero characters. This image, however, is more than just random characters put together: Brainy is paired with Sensor Girl, Tellus with Universo and Dawnstar with The Restorer… It just occurred to me reading your comment that Sensor Girl is on the villain side, which could have been a red herring for readers.


I hadn’t noticed the pairing, or Sensor Girl’s in particular as I’m not a fan of composites either. Good spot.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Do you think removing Lar permanently (or for an extended period) was seriously considered? He's really come into his own since Superboy was removed. Interesting to contemplate the possible ramifications of eliminating him. Tasmia might leave as well. Jo would become the big powerhouse character. The Legion might recruit a replacement - maybe Gravity Kid would be called up. And so on....


Levitz has a really good handle on his cast, and how to put them all through the wringer. But he’s probably more likely to look back to the Hamilton type Legion for tone.

But with Mr Giffen partnering him, there’s that push to show the shining future, but through it rising from darker depths. The Great Darkness Saga; the tone of the Baxter launch when the creative team looked seriously at how much darker they could take the book; the end of the Baxter series including Magic Wars; v4; Giffen’s return in v7.

Since Levitz plots far in advance, some of what we’re seeing here could have been discussed at the outset of v3, when Giffen was helping with the plot ideas. Levitz has been happy enough to remove Lar from the board under Giffen’s influence before. Tasmia leaving and Jo becoming the powerhouse is exactly what happened later on.

Originally Posted by Cramer
This lack of action for Brek is curious, now that he's finally been accepted by the Legion. One gets the sense that they let him in just so he'd stop yapping at the door.


From this reread, it’s already clear that he’s has plans to prove himself, and that he’s willing to be economical with the facts if it helps him along. He’s got a very strong sense of self, and that’s demanding some action. It’s no wonder he hangs around with Dirk. Brek is another one I could see people staging a Space Mutiny against. smile
LSH 22

Levitz’s writing style during this period could be both satisfying and infuriating. The storylines are complex, the characters develop in new and unexpected ways, and tremendous world-building occurs. These are all things craved by long-time Legion fans like me. Yet at the same time, story lines do go on and on and there’s a feeling of been there, done that. Reading the Legion during this period is like hanging out with your old high school or college buddies. You’ve grown, they’ve grown, but you can’t really go on the same adventures you did before.

“Dead End” is typical of this attempt to keep something going that probably should have come to a graceful end. Universo, a relatively minor villain from the Legion’s past, is set up to be a major antagonist who brainwashes a lackey called The Restorer to do his bidding. (Every time I see the villain’s name, I think of ReStore, the home improvement stores operated by Habitat for Humanity—which shows how difficult it is to come up with new and threatening villain names.) Universo brainwashes Science Police officers and impersonates Vid-Gupta, the president’s adviser. Universo reminds me of Lionel Luthor of “Smallville”—a perennial villain who holds all the cards and never misses an opportunity to remind the viewer how smart and in control he is. Universo, like Lionel, is just as ingratiating.

The Restorer turns out to be a fanatic (though whether he would have been this way without Universo’s tampering is unrevealed) who wants to restore earth to a pre-technological stage. The fact that he uses technology to fight technology may be typical of fanatics and their “ends-justify-the-means” mindsets, but it would be nice if the Legionnaires had commented on this (“That man sounds insane” isn’t enough); otherwise, it looks like Levitz pulled a random villain out of thin air without giving much thought to his credibility. In fact, The Restorer turns out to be a paper-thin throwaway character who offers the Legion little challenge. He’s there to further Lionel Universo’s plot.

Because that plot is also thin—in this issue, at least—the rest of the issue feels unsatisfying, even though several subplots are advanced.

Lightning Lass, for instance, finally gets a story line when Violet reminds her that Ayla has grown in every significant way except her personal life. Knowing where this story line leads, I’m not sure it follows that Ayla and Vi become lovers. Ayla was in a committed heterosexual relationship for many years. For that matter, Vi’s statement, “I changed my whole life,” sounds ominous in hindsight; does that mean she changed her sexuality, as well, and if so how does one do so? Is there a Pro-Orientation drug? To be clear, I applaud the series for addressing homosexuality; however, I think the choice of these two available women who have been through so much trauma and emerged as strong, confident, and capable characters may be a sign that the writer(s) did not understand sexual orientation.

Brainy is surprisingly free of his Sensor Girl obsession this time, but his suspicions are now shared by other Legionnaires. Sensor Girl expresses discomfort with the attention she generates; yet she must have known her secrecy would make others suspicious. What her long-range plan might have been is unclear.

Mon-El and Shadow Lass go through the motions of expressing their own private fears over his anti-lead serum wearing off. Mon is so distraught that he ignores Element Lad’s summons to a meeting. In recent reviews, we’ve considered the possibility of Brainy neglecting his duties, but here we have a clear instance of a Legionnaire refusing to respond when called. To be fair, Mon was in such an emotional state that he may not have been able to think clearly during the summons. Still, soldiers, police officers, and other responders know they must put their own personal concerns aside when duty calls. The fact that Mon doesn’t do so shows, I think, that he’s grown too comfortable in his role as a Legionnaire. I’ve seen this happen in real life: people feel free to ignore meetings and even less pleasant duties because they believe there will be no consequences. Mon is the Legion’s mightiest member and, like a king in a Greek tragedy, he’s free to put his job aside while he wallows in self-pity. He does tell us that if he goes into action when the anti-lead serum wears off, he will “be in danger sooner”—but shouldn’t he tell Element Lad this? I don’t much like this depiction of Mon, or that he and Tasmia cannot seem to share their concerns with each other.

One last subplot is introduced. President Desai expresses displeasure that the Legion keeps doing what he feels is the Science Police’s job. How much of this displeasure is caused by Universo’s manipulations is unclear, but it would pose an interesting threat to the Legion if the president feels the Legion is undermining the traditional law enforcement organizations.

“Dead End” is a competent story. The Legionnaires who participate in the action sequences are well utilized. It’s particularly gratifying to see Brainy use his brain to figure out the villain’s next move. However, the story also feels stale and in need of something to shake it up.
The date on my Top 25 survey shows that Legion 22 must have been delayed a considerable amount of time. (The previous issue charted in January.) Slow-moving plot lines seem even slower when issues are not published on time.

Top 25
April 1, 1986

1. New Teen Titans # 20 -- DC
2. Nexus # 21 -- First
3. Dreadstar # 24 -- Marvel/Epic
4. Original Nexus (Graphic Novel # 4) -- First
5. Legion of Super-Heroes # 22 -- DC
6. Star Trek # 27 -- DC
7. Miracleman # 6 -- Eclipse
8. Daredevil # 232 -- Marvel
9. Infinity Inc. # 27 -- DC
10. Secret Origins # 3 -- DC

11. Green Lantern Corps # 201 -- DC
12. Marvel Tales # 188 -- Marvel
13. DC Challenge # 7 -- DC
14. Avengers # 268 -- Marvel
15. Six from Sirius 2 # 4 -- Marvel/Epic
16. Fantastic Four # 290 -- Marvel
17. New DNAgents # 5 -- Eclipse
18. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 9 -- Marvel
19. Blue Devil # 25 -- DC
20. Elementals # 6 -- Comico

21. Elfquest # 10 -- Marvel/Epic
22. Fury of Firestorm # 48 -- DC
23. Captain America # 318 -- Marvel
24. X-Factor # 5 -- Marvel
25. Iron Man # 207 -- Marvel
Originally Posted by FC
As for The Restorer, I like the idea of somebody who wants to return Earth to its pre-tech days, but that's got to be a virtually impossible goal. These sorts tend to be the villains; too bad there aren't any back-to-nature idealists with good intentions and noble behaviour.


Indeed. There is a very serious issue introduced here that, unfortunately, is not developed further: How much technology is too much? Does all this technology have a cost to the planet earth (or to us as human beings)? These questions resonate more clearly today than in 1986, when it was still taken for granted that technological advancement was good.

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I'm not clear what's meant by Cham's surprise that Sensor Girl didn't know about Brainy's role in creating Labyrinth nor why she should be disturbed by it.


I gathered that SG did not know about the force shield since she has been on Orando (and in another dimension) for some time, during which Brainy was probably working on the shield.

As to why she is disturbed by the shield--perhaps it reminds her of the polymer shield now surrounding Orando.

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The cover is one I never paid much attention to before, disliking these composite superhero characters. This image, however, is more than just random characters put together: Brainy is paired with Sensor Girl, Tellus with Universo and Dawnstar with The Restorer. Jo might have been the selection, being on the team that finally brought The Restorer down, but Dawnstar, from a low-tech society herself, is a nicely balanced match.


Good catch about how the characters are related!

Originally Posted by thoth
There’s no mystery on who is behind events in this issue. After little reminders of the science police techno park incident, we’re not only shown Universo, but his persona as vid gupta too. He controls another science police officer in this opening scene to connect it to his earlier actions. It’s careless of him to be caught on the scene and launching point of the issue’s villain.


I was unclear on where Universo, et al., are. They are on a ship of some kind, but it's not a private ship since a SP officer is there. It must be the president's vessel (hence the mention that "Vid-Gupta" will tell the president that the officer will clean up the mess) or a government vessel transporting Vid-Gupta to see the president.

I did appreciate it that the cliched villain exit (bursting through the ceiling) became part of the story. smile

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Cham tells the reader that “it’s almost as though she didn’t know about her own world or time.” That’s a stretch even for someone with Durlan powers.


The "time" reference was a slip of the Durlan tongue--as we find out later, Cham, too, suspects SG is Supergirl. The reference to "her own world" threw me--unless Cham thinks of earth as Supergirl's world.

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Sensor Girl has located him, giving the others another chance to wonder who she is. We get a few options reinforced. It’s nice to see that Gim is simply focused on the mission.


It was a nice touch to have Gim be unconcerned about the SG mystery. More craft points.

Originally Posted by HWW
Universo brainwashes Science Police officers and impersonates Vid-Gupta, the president’s adviser. Universo reminds me of Lionel Luthor of “Smallville”—a perennial villain who holds all the cards and never misses an opportunity to remind the viewer how smart and in control he is. Universo, like Lionel, is just as ingratiating.


I like this aspect of Universo as a villain, playing a complicated game as the power behind thrones. As Vid Gupta, I wonder if Universo impersonated the real Vid Gupta or if he's been playing a very long game, becoming Desai's advisor before the election.

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The Restorer turns out to be a fanatic (though whether he would have been this way without Universo’s tampering is unrevealed) who wants to restore earth to a pre-technological stage. The fact that he uses technology to fight technology may be typical of fanatics and their “ends-justify-the-means” mindsets, but it would be nice if the Legionnaires had commented on this (“That man sounds insane” isn’t enough); otherwise, it looks like Levitz pulled a random villain out of thin air without giving much thought to his credibility. In fact, The Restorer turns out to be a paper-thin throwaway character who offers the Legion little challenge. He’s there to further Lionel Universo’s plot.


I hadn't thought of the possibility that Universo created The Restorer i.e. the guy wouldn't have been fanatic or might not even have held those ideas without Universo's mind control, so he's even more of a pawn. The character becomes throwaway for Universo as well as Levitz.

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Lightning Lass, for instance, finally gets a story line when Violet reminds her that Ayla has grown in every significant way except her personal life. Knowing where this story line leads, I’m not sure it follows that Ayla and Vi become lovers. Ayla was in a committed heterosexual relationship for many years. For that matter, Vi’s statement, “I changed my whole life,” sounds ominous in hindsight; does that mean she changed her sexuality, as well, and if so how does one do so? Is there a Pro-Orientation drug? To be clear, I applaud the series for addressing homosexuality; however, I think the choice of these two available women who have been through so much trauma and emerged as strong, confident, and capable characters may be a sign that the writer(s) did not understand sexual orientation.


Different times - not that long ago, but it shows how awareness has grown. Or maybe the writers just didn't understand Winath.

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Mon-El and Shadow Lass go through the motions of expressing their own private fears over his anti-lead serum wearing off. Mon is so distraught that he ignores Element Lad’s summons to a meeting. In recent reviews, we’ve considered the possibility of Brainy neglecting his duties, but here we have a clear instance of a Legionnaire refusing to respond when called. To be fair, Mon was in such an emotional state that he may not have been able to think clearly during the summons. Still, soldiers, police officers, and other responders know they must put their own personal concerns aside when duty calls. The fact that Mon doesn’t do so shows, I think, that he’s grown too comfortable in his role as a Legionnaire. I’ve seen this happen in real life: people feel free to ignore meetings and even less pleasant duties because they believe there will be no consequences. Mon is the Legion’s mightiest member and, like a king in a Greek tragedy, he’s free to put his job aside while he wallows in self-pity. He does tell us that if he goes into action when the anti-lead serum wears off, he will “be in danger sooner”—but shouldn’t he tell Element Lad this? I don’t much like this depiction of Mon, or that he and Tasmia cannot seem to share their concerns with each other.


It is irresponsible of him. It ties in with his overwhelming fear of returning to the Zone so I guess one could attribute the behaviour to stress from trauma, or the poisoning is affecting his thinking. Tasmia was aware of the problem, so was Tinya and likely Jo, but they never said anything to Jan? Brainy was certainly well aware of the problem. Yet no one removed Lar from active duty. Perhaps they were afraid they'd lose control of him, as they nearly did, or the entire team was in denial of this serious problem. WWND (What would Nura do)?
Originally Posted by HWW
Levitz’s writing style during this period could be both satisfying and infuriating. The storylines are complex, the characters develop in new and unexpected ways, and tremendous world-building occurs. These are all things craved by long-time Legion fans like me. Yet at the same time, story lines do go on and on and there’s a feeling of been there, done that. Reading the Legion during this period is like hanging out with your old high school or college buddies. You’ve grown, they’ve grown, but you can’t really go on the same adventures you did before.


There’s a story later on that I’d definitely get that feeling with. I was picking up back issues at this point, so the Levitz updates were the first I got to read and may have more impact as a result. I do think they stand up pretty well for the most part. There are a few forgettable Adventure stories too.

The Sensor Girl story would have been tied up in a single Adventure issue, two at the most. Here, we have to believe that she’s been in the HQ all this time with no one getting any closer to her or her abilities. Even though they all interact on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by HWW
…otherwise, it looks like Levitz pulled a random villain out of thin air without giving much thought to his credibility. In fact, The Restorer turns out to be a paper-thin throwaway character who offers the Legion little challenge. He’s there to further Lionel Universo’s plot.


I certainly think he’s just a villain prop, there to fulfil the plot needs of others and nothing more.

Originally Posted by HWW
Lightning Lass, for instance, finally gets a story line when Violet reminds her that Ayla has grown in every significant way except her personal life. Knowing where this story line leads, I’m not sure it follows that Ayla and Vi become lovers. Ayla was in a committed heterosexual relationship for many years. For that matter, Vi’s statement, “I changed my whole life,” sounds ominous in hindsight; does that mean she changed her sexuality, as well, and if so how does one do so? Is there a Pro-Orientation drug? To be clear, I applaud the series for addressing homosexuality; however, I think the choice of these two available women who have been through so much trauma and emerged as strong, confident, and capable characters may be a sign that the writer(s) did not understand sexual orientation.


I agree that Vi and Ayla don’t have to become lovers from this scene. But Legion couples have forged romantic links on less in the past, so it’s a definite possibility. They are certainly forming a closer bond. Vi’s question and Ayla’s reaction also hints at both of them looking at their relationship as more than friends.

Vi’s relationship with Duplicate Boy was conveniently long distance for them both. Following her time in the sens-tank, I think Vi reassessed everything in her life. All the compromises, all the times she let others make decisions for her and all the times she didn’t follow her own feelings.

She got to dump Ord easily because he didn’t act on the knowledge that she was being impersonated. She then re-established herself within the team. Then she looked to see what she wanted from her personal life. There’s a hint that she might have taken Dirk for a fling, but it looks as though she was really looking at Ayla as her partner of choice.

Ayla walked away from the Legion because of the damage it caused people. Her relationship with Brin was over, when he didn’t go with her. Having faced the LSV and her brother, Ayla realises the importance of the Legion and has returned as a far more assertive character than the one who left. I think a little bit of that is overcompensation for her previous feelings and decisions. I think Salu has partly just called her on that. Ayla’s return and success has changed her, but perhaps she’s not thought through what the next steps could be.

Romantically, she’s come a long way from the woman who trailed after Lone Wolf and put up with his moods. Brin had finally settled into the team, as Ayla wanted to leave. With her return, Brin probably thought they could get back together. But Ayla is consciously making changes to her place in the group. She’s a heavy hitter in the team now, and she’s become a mission leader. I’m sure she still has feelings for Brin, but Salu offers her what seems to be a relationship on a much more mature level.

Originally Posted by HWW
Brainy is surprisingly free of his Sensor Girl obsession this time, but his suspicions are now shared by other Legionnaires. Sensor Girl expresses discomfort with the attention she generates; yet she must have known her secrecy would make others suspicious. What her long-range plan might have been is unclear.


When the reveal comes, I don’t think we see any real reason not to have shared the secret with her colleagues. Short of trying to maintain the secret forever, which wasn’t the initial intention (probably due to it being Supergirl)

I think we’ve all picked up on the Brainy obsession going down a gear or two, when the tension might have been built up instead. A little plotting wobble?

Originally Posted by HWW
To be fair, Mon was in such an emotional state that he may not have been able to think clearly during the summons. Still, soldiers, police officers, and other responders know they must put their own personal concerns aside when duty calls. He does tell us that if he goes into action when the anti-lead serum wears off, he will “be in danger sooner”—but shouldn’t he tell Element Lad this? I don’t much like this depiction of Mon, or that he and Tasmia cannot seem to share their concerns with each other.


I hadn’t looked at the scene this way. Interesting thoughts HWW. You’re right that if he’s on active duty then Jan should know what’s going on. Since Lar is one of the Conspirators later, this approach may also impact Brek as leader later on.

Originally Posted by HWW
Indeed. There is a very serious issue introduced here that, unfortunately, is not developed further: How much technology is too much? Does all this technology have a cost to the planet earth (or to us as human beings)? These questions resonate more clearly today than in 1986, when it was still taken for granted that technological advancement was good.


This would have made for an interesting story. I don’t think this volume touches on too many wider themes.

Originally Posted by Cramer
I like this aspect of Universo as a villain, playing a complicated game as the power behind thrones. As Vid Gupta, I wonder if Universo impersonated the real Vid Gupta or if he's been playing a very long game, becoming Desai's advisor before the election.


Universo starting and controlling certain groups of agitators, then seemingly rising to power to oppose them and succeeding, would have added a lot of depth to this longer story. We get little breadcrumbs of the techno park attack. But that could have been joined by the rise of an extremist environmental group or one opposed to the UP. It would certainly have given the Restorer some depth.

Originally Posted by Cramer
WWND (What would Nura do)?


- Precognitively figure out Sensor Girl identity (inadvertently)
- Respect her privacy but making sure that she’s used to her best advantage on missions. None of the Sensor Girl wandering around just happening to know things.
- Tell Thom, for the tenth time, that she’s not going out dancing.
- Bench Lar
- Let Querl figure it out / provide additional support to him.
- Get nails done
- Check that Querl is working solely on Lar's condition
- Have angry confrontation with Tasmia.
- Put Thom in Lar’s place on missions.
- Get hair done.
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The Sensor Girl story would have been tied up in a single Adventure issue, two at the most. Here, we have to believe that she’s been in the HQ all this time with no one getting any closer to her or her abilities. Even though they all interact on a daily basis.


Yeah, the Sensor Girl mystery doesn't make any sense if one considers long-term consequences. With Element Lad, the situation was different. It was necessary to protect his identity only until Roxxas and his pirates were captured. There was never a good reason for Projectra's secrecy or a hint of when it might end.

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I’m sure she still has feelings for Brin, but Salu offers her what seems to be a relationship on a much more mature level.


That's an insightful analysis of the changes both Vi and Ayla have been through. I hadn't thought of Vi offering Ayla a more mature relationship, but it fits. Each can understand what the other has been through more that their previous boyfriends could.

Just to play devil's advocate, what if the White Witch had been gay? She didn't fit the image: aggressive, recent traumatic experience, boyish haircut (let's face it: comics, even then, trafficked in stereotypes). She's also unattached and has no previous romantic history that we know of.

One possible way of looking at this is that, in the 30th century, gender isn't as important to relationships as other qualities. This is hinted at in the Jan/Shvaughn/Sean realtionship of 5YL, but it was suggested that Jan's Trommite beliefs left him open to loving the soul of the person more than the body; with other characters, it's not so certain.

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- Precognitively figure out Sensor Girl identity (inadvertently)
- Respect her privacy but making sure that she’s used to her best advantage on missions. None of the Sensor Girl wandering around just happening to know things.
- Tell Thom, for the tenth time, that she’s not going out dancing.
- Bench Lar
- Let Querl figure it out / provide additional support to him.
- Get nails done
- Check that Querl is working solely on Lar's condition
- Have angry confrontation with Tasmia.
- Put Thom in Lar’s place on missions.
- Get hair done.


All the more reason why Nura should be permanent leader. She knows what to do, does it without equivocating, and still gets her nails and hair done.
The funny / great thing about Nura's leadership is that it seemed to come very easy to her, as if it was a natural talent and that other things, besides running an intergalactic super hero group that dealt with cosmic crises, were more challenging for her.
LSH #23 "Back Home in Hell" by Paul Levitz& Steve Lightle, art by Steve Lightle. Greg Larocque & Mice DeCarlo, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Lar cries out in agony and various Legionnaires react with alarm and concern. Tasmia finds Lar tearing apart the lab as Brainy looks on, protected by his forcefield. When other Legionnaires arrive, Brainy announces that Lar is dying and must be returned to the Phantom Zone. Lar refuses and flies off, but he's so weakened he can't pass through Earth's polymer shield and Dawnstar retrieves him.

Vi and Ayla enter a dive on Rimbor looking for information on someone named Javors, who could lead them to The Persuader. They aren't welcome, but threaten a confirmation out of the barman that Javors met The Persuader there and said something about five.

As repairs are made to the lab, Lar observes from the Phantom Zone. Brainy manages to get an image of him with which to communicate and promises a solution, but Lar is distressed and wants to die.

At the Time Institute, Rokk and Lydda thank Circadia Senius for use of a time bubble to vacation in the 20th century. As they disappear in the timestream, Jan, Dawnstar and Tasmia rush in, demanding a time bubble to go back to Superboy's time. Circadia Senius explains that time travel is being disrupted by storms, but the Legionnaires say it's necessary to retrieve Superboy to save Lar.

Meanwhile, Tinya and Tellus enter the Phantom Zone to find Lar. They do find him; he is hopeless and wants to be left alone, but Tellus is able to bring him back to Earth's region of the Zone through mind control.

The timestream is behaving oddly, but the Legionnaires make it to Smallville, find Superboy and bring him back to the 30th century. Jan explains that the timestream storms are particularly bad a few years after Superboy's time. They slip out into the 21st century, are observed by Jonah Hex, but are returned to the timestream by Superboy and arrive in the 30th century.

Vi and Ayla report in to HQ, get an update from Pol and wonder what good Superboy can do. Ayla hugs Vi.

In the lab, Brainy extracts blood from Superboy with a kryptonite laser needle, Nura irradiates it with a k-laser and these cells are injected into Lar. This treatment permanently negates the lead poisoning.

Later, Lar and Shady talk on the roof. They see Sensor Girl and Lar says that in the Zone, everything seemed to be a hallucination.

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Well, that solves Lar's problem. Now nothing can touch him. Or maybe not... but that's quite a few issues down the road. As usual, my brain sputters over the "scientific" solution to the problem, something with kryptonite and blood transfusion - but it works in comicland.

The issue provides welcome insight into the Phantom Zone. All I would have known at this point was from early 1960s Superman comics, a few ghosty, wavy-looking Kryptonian villains shaking fists at Superman. What isn't answered is whether the Legion is the sole operator of the Phantom Zone projector, or the justice system itself uses the Zone for criminals - or perhaps even medical cases are sent to the zone pending treatment, similar to today's practice of inducing a coma for some patients.

Necessity is the mother of invention: Brainy comes up with a cure quickly when it becomes truly urgent. There was that proviso that the treatment might not work - Brainy might well have provided a statistical probability of success - but everything went like clockwork. That he was under great pressure to find a solution was indicated by his open shirt with rolled-up sleeves - hard work in the lab.

Tasmia acts responsibly and remains level-headed, none of the near-hysterics we've seen before when Lar was threatened or in danger. Her memory of the tunnel to the Kent residence is a nice tie-in to the Adventure story in which she, Lu and Lar escaped to Smallville to hide from Mordru.

Vi and Ayla kick ass. Mostly Vi kicks ass, but she's having an influence on Ayla. The Rimbor barflies really do appear to fear the Legionnaires, not just Violet. The Legion doesn't kill, but this suggests that either they can get very rough (which we have seen in the past) and/or their capture success rate is very high. Violet must be getting a reputation at this point. I have the impression that a lot of her power now is her attitude.

I could have done without the Jonah Hex page. It was a tie-in that didn't add anything to the story.

Rokk calls in a favour/exercises his privilege to borrow a time bubble for a 20th century vacation and their own mini-series. Senius doesn't warn about timestream disruptions when Krinn and Jath depart.

Lar appears to have discovered Sensor Girl's identity, but may suspect it was a hallucination. If he were certain, would he still keep the secret to himself? The moral dilemma is resolved when Lar decides to just ignore what he may have seen while in the Zone. (This also raises the question of whether the Phantom Zone could be used by the Espionage Squad to spy on people.) The cover presents what may be a hallucination from his time in the Zone, or is symbolic of his distress.

The issue is particularly interesting for its visuals. The Phantom Zone, the Timestream and the Rimbor bar scene provide a lot to engage the eye.
LSH 23
“Back Home in Hell” resolves the recent subplot of Mon-El’s anti-lead serum wearing off. There is a lot of good in this story, such as the lengths the Legionnaires go to in order to save their comrade (even when he doesn’t want to save himself), the oddly inviting depiction of the Phantom Zone as a realm of surreal wonder, and the brevity of this story line, which, unlike others, doesn’t drag out forever. In fact, the only aspect I don’t like about the story is Mon-El himself.

Mon, as is well-known on these boards, emerged as my favorite Legion character. He embodied the “big brother,” not only to Superboy but also to the rest of the team. He never flaunted his role as the team’s mightiest member; he was restrained, a team player, a leader who served when called, someone who did not let the trauma of his past dominate his life (unlike, say, Element Lad), a loyal son who cared deeply about his homeworld and the damage wrought by Darkseid, and a devoted lover. Mon-El embodied all the traits I wanted in my life—both in myself and in someone close to me. When I was younger, I always felt a sense of calm reassurance when he appeared in a story, even in cameo. In later stories, I enjoyed his increasing prominence and the frequent spotlight issues.

But this spotlight doesn’t portray him in the best of light. In fact, it uncovers hidden weaknesses, which all characters have. I just wish Mon had found a way to rise above his weaknesses and grow as a character even when facing certain death or imprisonment.

Learning that his body is rejecting the anti-lead serum and fearful of returning to the Phantom Zone, Mon-El goes on a rage and attempts to kill himself. He has to be restrained—physically and mentally—by his colleagues, who force him to do what needs to be done to save his life. Mon-El never makes any decisions for himself in this story. He also never considers the effect of his actions on others—not his fellow Legionnaires, not Shadow Lass. What must it have felt like for her to hear the man she loves wants to kill himself?

Some may argue that he was wracked with pain from lead poisoning and the trauma of living in the Phantom Zone, so recently brought out of his subconscious by Lady Memory. Yet ordinary people battle cancer, memories of child abuse, and other horrific conditions. They often go through stages such as denial and anger, which Mon, too, displays, before finding acceptance. Since Mon-El is a hero, he should exhibit all of those traits and more. I’ve said before that I like it when heroes are human, but being human, to me, means also finding one’s better self. Mon should have made a decision at some point to trust his colleagues, to put his fate in their hands, whatever the outcome. That’s what heroes do.

Because he never completes this journey, the ending of the story falls flat to me. Instead of reflecting on this experience, learning something from it, and expressing gratitude to Tasmia, he is distracted by the mystery over Sensor Girl. It’s a tantalizing comment, but one that diverts him (and us) from what should be the point of the story: Mon has grown and changed in some way because of this near brush with death. Except he hasn’t.

On the plus side, it’s great to see Steve Lightle back. His art has truly grown since he started on the Legion. Every page pops with images and layouts that push the reader forward. Faces are distinct and appealing. Both the Phantom Zone and the time stream are portrayed as wondrous realms of magic and mystery.

I’m not sure why the Legionnaires had trouble finding Superboy’s home—they’ve been there many times. This scene is merely an opportunity to remind us that Shadow Lass has been in Superboy’s secret tunnel before, but, as with many of Levitz’s nods to past stories, this one doesn’t feel necessary. As a fan at the time, I loved such references. They stoked the warm edges of my heart, as if the writer is saying to the readers, “We’ve been on this journey together.” But now it’s like being reminded of something from the past at an inopportune time. We learn nothing new about the Legionnaires here—expect maybe that it takes three people with human strength to lift a trap door designed by a Kryptonian.

The bar scene with Violet and Lightning Lass appears to be lifted from any number of cop/detective shows. (It reminds me of Eddie Murphy in 48 Hours: “I’m your worst nightmare, a n----r with a badge.”) However, it advances their budding relationship.

LSH 23 shows both the benefits and drawbacks to having extra story pages. On one hand, an artist of Lightle’s caliber can deliver a feast for the eyes. On the other hand, there is a lot of padding and drawing out in a story that ultimately doesn’t lead us to a satisfying conclusion. The “major” outcome is that Mon will no longer need the anti-lead serum at all, but, since the serum didn’t factor into most stories, this change is a minor consolation for the missing character development.
LSH 23 ranked in the same position as # 22, which shows, I think, that I was glad to get such quality Legion stories although they weren't pushing any boundaries.

Top 25
April 15, 1986

1. New Teen Titans # 21 -- DC
2. Deadman # 4 -- DC
3. Nexus # 22 -- First
4. Squadron Supreme # 11 -- Marvel
5. Legion of Super-Heroes # 23 -- DC
6. DC Challenge # 8 -- DC
7. Vision & Scarlet Witch # 10 -- Marvel
8. Fantastic Four # 291 -- Marvel
9. Star Trek # 28 -- DC
10. Dardevil # 232 -- Marvel

11. Secret Origins # 3 -- DC
12. Miracleman # 6 -- Eclipse
13. Marvel Tales # 188 -- Marvel
14. Avengers # 268 -- Marvel
15. Elfquest # 11 -- Marvel/Epic
16. Fury of Firestorm # 49 -- DC
17. Blue Devil # 25 -- DC
18. West Coast Avengers # 10 -- Marvel
19. Infinity Inc. # 28 -- DC
20. Dreadstar # 24 -- Marvel/Epic

21. Amazing Spider-Man # 278 -- Marvel
22. DC Comics Presents # 95 -- DC
23. Original Nexus (Graphic Novel # 4) -- First
24. Green Lantern Corps # 201 -- DC
25. Captain America # 319 -- Marvel

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
[As usual, my brain sputters over the "scientific" solution to the problem, something with kryptonite and blood transfusion - but it works in comicland.


It's certainly a technobabble solution, but, for me, what really matters is that Mon should have grown and changed in some way due to this experience. I've harped on this quite a lot: that a story should lead somewhere and something should be different afterwards. But, in comicland (as well as much of TV land), real character development doesn't happen. A character's circumstances may change, but the character him- or herself remains the same.

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The issue provides welcome insight into the Phantom Zone. All I would have known at this point was from early 1960s Superman comics, a few ghosty, wavy-looking Kryptonian villains shaking fists at Superman. What isn't answered is whether the Legion is the sole operator of the Phantom Zone projector, or the justice system itself uses the Zone for criminals - or perhaps even medical cases are sent to the zone pending treatment, similar to today's practice of inducing a coma for some patients.


Interesting thought. Given all the other questionable methods of criminal justice (sleeper cells, brainwashing), I would hope the projector isn't used for this purpose. It could be just another one of those truly dangerous weapons, such as the Concentrator and the Miracle Machine, entrusted to the Legion for safekeeping.

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Necessity is the mother of invention: Brainy comes up with a cure quickly when it becomes truly urgent. There was that proviso that the treatment might not work - Brainy might well have provided a statistical probability of success - but everything went like clockwork. That he was under great pressure to find a solution was indicated by his open shirt with rolled-up sleeves - hard work in the lab.


What really stood out to me was Brainy' matter-of-fact way of saying that if his cure doesn't work, Mon will get his wish and die. This is Querl at his best: focused on the task at hand and able to distance himself from his and others' emotions.

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Tasmia acts responsibly and remains level-headed, none of the near-hysterics we've seen before when Lar was threatened or in danger.


In re-reading the last few panels, I was struck by Tasmia's dialogue: "--and I'll take care of you," "Everything will be all right" (to which Lar asks, "Promise?"), "Yes, now let's go back inside." She seems more like a mother than a lover. This may explain why she never acted upset at Lar's attempts to kill himself. Maybe she thought of herself as dealing a child's temper tantrum. smile

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I could have done without the Jonah Hex page. It was a tie-in that didn't add anything to the story.


Me, too. At the time, DC was promoting a new series which featured Western hero Jonah thrust into the future. Removed from its context, it's a pointless attempt to be cute.

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Rokk calls in a favour/exercises his privilege to borrow a time bubble for a 20th century vacation and their own mini-series. Senius doesn't warn about timestream disruptions when Krinn and Jath depart.


That's one way to get rid of annoying people: Don't inform them of dangers while time traveling. Given the problems with Crisis, et al., I thought it was rather pushy for Rokk to finagle his way into using a time bubble for a vacation. However, LHTP (Legionnaires Have Their Privileges).
Originally Posted by HWW
Some may argue that he was wracked with pain from lead poisoning and the trauma of living in the Phantom Zone, so recently brought out of his subconscious by Lady Memory. Yet ordinary people battle cancer, memories of child abuse, and other horrific conditions. They often go through stages such as denial and anger, which Mon, too, displays, before finding acceptance. Since Mon-El is a hero, he should exhibit all of those traits and more. I’ve said before that I like it when heroes are human, but being human, to me, means also finding one’s better self. Mon should have made a decision at some point to trust his colleagues, to put his fate in their hands, whatever the outcome. That’s what heroes do.

Because he never completes this journey, the ending of the story falls flat to me. Instead of reflecting on this experience, learning something from it, and expressing gratitude to Tasmia, he is distracted by the mystery over Sensor Girl. It’s a tantalizing comment, but one that diverts him (and us) from what should be the point of the story: Mon has grown and changed in some way because of this near brush with death. Except he hasn’t.


Good point that many people go through terrible experiences which they endure with grace and/or find life-changing. It's a tragic flaw in Mon-el if he can't achieve this. People who escape death often do change for the better, become more grateful, helpful to others, happy with life, some have radical positive personality changes. When you're a super-hero who has already devoted your life to helping others, there are other avenues to express change. I would have liked to see where writers might have taken that.

You have pointed out that, in many stories, the characters don't change when they well might have. There are people in real life who don't change regardless of what happens to them, which is a story in itself, but I agree we prefer to see our heroes be positively affected by their experiences. It certainly makes for a better story. And now that I'm thinking about it, who has changed in a Legion story because of their experiences? Violet, Lightning Lass.... umm... ?

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In re-reading the last few panels, I was struck by Tasmia's dialogue: "--and I'll take care of you," "Everything will be all right" (to which Lar asks, "Promise?"), "Yes, now let's go back inside." She seems more like a mother than a lover. This may explain why she never acted upset at Lar's attempts to kill himself. Maybe she thought of herself as dealing a child's temper tantrum.


I didn't pick up on that tone when reading but now that you've pointed it out.... it is very motherly! And that "Promise?" is just what a little kid would say when you've fed them some line about it all being okay.
I think Star Boy learned something from his expulsion for killing. Even in that story, with things looking so bleak, he found a new home in the Subs and with Dream Girl. (Lesson: Getting expelled isn't the end of the world.) Later, he used this experience to try to talk Element Lad out of killing Roxxas, which shows he had definitely learned from his previous mistake.
LoSH v3 #23

Some catch up comments this week:-

Nightmares from Lar Gand’s fractured mind attack the Legion on a good Lightle cover. Or Lar’s dreams about Chlorophyll Kid are getting out of hand on a good Lightle cover.

I just noticed Superboy’s arm making an appearance beside Dawny. Ah the good old days when he’d be front and centre to boost those sales.

Eight of the nine panels (just a coincidence I’m sure) on the opening page react around a central one containing a screaming MonEl. There’s little snippets of character shown too, as well as an important piece of the Sensor Girl mystery. Tasmia continues to calm her lover; Brainy shows that a look of huge regret as he faces something even he can’t fix; Jo seems to have guess something was going on; We’re shown Tellus’ habitat and are reminded he’s one of those aren’t-human-customs-odd characters; Jan wonders what’s gone wrong now, indicating some insecurity while Jacques gets to showcase his sensitive side empathising with the depth of suffering in the scream. That’s quite a lot of work for the opening page.

The reason for Mon-El’s scream is the failure of his anti-lead serum. It is about to fail and the pain he last experienced 1000 years ago has returned. More than that is the thought that he may have to spend eternity peering out from the Phantom Zone again. It’s the thought of the isolation and watching another set of people he’s grown close to die that prompts his reaction. He could have been stoic about it, but that’s what he has been like in all the recent issues that have hinted that there’s something going on. It’s a rapid decline. He can fly through the HQ walls, but isn’t strong enough to break the polymer shield around Earth.

V4 would tell us that the reaction was also caused by Eltro Gand’s personality cohabiting MonEl’s body. It shared Lar’s memories and certainly couldn’t face the Zone and remain sane. But it’s not needed to make this scene powerful and effective. There’re character moments here too. Dawny is matter of fact, and is the first capable of keeping track of and recapturing Lar. Brin goes to get the serum because he’s fastest, reminding the reader of his powers. Lar stops when Shady pleads with him and her reactions throughout are touching. Brainy stands off protected by his forcefield.

Not telling Jan what was going on looks odd in the debris of a damaged HQ and an AWOL Daxamite.

Shady is the one to suggest the Phantom Zone Projector. She’s been giving this a lot of thought I’m sure.

Since Saturn Girl developed a way for Mon El to temporarily come out of the Zone, (serum XY-4) I wonder why no one thinks to call her in on this. I’d have segued it with the Sensor Girl plot. Superboy said “You fool!” to Imra when she asked him to get Lar out of the zone. Mind you, no one in the Silver Age bothered explaining plans to anyone.

When Mon-El left the Phantom Zone to join the Legion he waved goodbye to three villains who were stuck there? Not the Zod three, but others. What happened to them?

We get glimpses of Mon-El looking back at history. He’s not omnipotent, but has seen world’s die. He seems drawn to the morbid bits, especially if he’s taken to watching Darkseid. He could have spent a thousand years watching the cat people of Vega.


Elsewhere, it’s not fear of being injured by Legionnaires that scares villains. It’s the sure knowledge that they will be caught. That whatever illegal activity they are involved in will get busted apart. Espionage Squad member Vi seems a good fit for this role, with Ayla along for some crowd control power. A good combination of the Squad and regular Legionnaire. On their way back they share a moment, that if it were a heterosexual couple then you’d assume they were together. Ayla seems happy enough although I think Vi just insulted her. Perhaps Ayla is trying to live up to Vi’s tougher image a bit.

Rokk and Lydda begin their trip to the twentieth century. It’s another slow burning plot, linking in with the founders decision to retire. This one would lead into the next DC Event. But it won’t turn out as the creators expected.

I nominate Mecha-Cat for membership. Brekk got past the age thing, and Mecha-Cat can get past the devices thing. Wildfire already did. Since the cat is doing something for Night Girl, it’s clearly not a real cat. It’s a projection of a cat only. That begs the question of who is this cat impersonator and what does it mean for the Legion of Super Pets?!

It’s good to see Tinya getting a key role, and just as much for one of the new guys to take an active part. Tellus thinking of the Zone as an ocean is a lovely touch by Levitz, and shows how others can interpret the place (see Lar’s moping). Another nice touch is that it takes a few Legionnaires to lift the entrance to Superboy’s basement HQ.

When I first read the Legion going back to Superboy’s time, I though the Sun Emperor was going to become a huge villain as they see him on the way. But nothing. I wonder what the giant slab was supposed to be. I have a feeling I either know or just made up something for Bits. Memory cell fail. Very nice time bubble effects in this story.

Superboy is unfortunately only used when needed by the plot these days. It would have been nice to have him as a central character just for old time sake, if he’s going to be part of a story. Not long to worry about that sort of thing though.

“Why didn’t you call?” asks Superboy. “It’s not so simple any more, Superboy,” relies Tasmia. There’s a missing panel where she tells him about DC now thinking Legion statuettes are hokey before we return to the story and her “—and we need you desperately.”

It took me ages to track down that issue of Hex, and it’s a blink and you’ll miss it appearance there.

Good to see Nura used consistently as Brainy’s bioscience pal. Lar would usually have been the third, which would have been another reason to have Imra guest.

I wonder if Levitz called Mindy Newall up about the science. Although it’s not in Adv 305, Lar’s antidote is based on his blood being treated with Kryptonite. But he’s rejecting it, so a solution is to introduce pre-treated blood into his system.

Mon El seems to think that there’s something very odd about Sensor Girl, and puts it down as a hallucination. Since the actual reveal wasn’t that odd, I wonder what he thought he saw. Sensor Girl was put into a background panel this issue, just to remind us that she was about. No cryptic remark about this serum as she did for Lyle Norg’s in an earlier issue.

Considering the later (Giffen) push that resulted in the serious wounding of Lar, I wonder if returning him to premise of being used in a Legion emergency from the Zone would have been a better solution? He would fill the role Superboy seems to have now, and lessen the power levels in the team, allowing others to realistically shine a bit. Plus there would be all sorts of Shady subplots etc.

It was nice seeing Lightle return, although LaRocque gets an assist. Partly this was due to Lightle and Levitz having worked on the plots together. Later, Lightle would make the observation that even after his departure, certain plot threads would make it into the book. It’s worth considering in the light of Stan Lee’s death, and the general issue of creative credit. Levitz worked a marvel style with Giffen and Lightle is rightly given a co plotter credit here.

Overall, it’s an enjoyable spotlight issue on Mon-El. He does seem to go through some trauma when he gets one. No happy Shady/ Lar wedding issue.
Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
Well, that solves Lar's problem. Now nothing can touch him. Or maybe not... but that's quite a few issues down the road.


I remember that GIffen/Levitz also got him out of a lot of the GDS by blasting him. Putting him back into the zone on a temporary basis might have been the better option for the character (please note that visiting hours to Daxam General Hospital are 7-8pm. Visitors are reminded to never bring pencils to do the crosswords while on the grounds.)

Originally Posted by Cramer
The issue provides welcome insight into the Phantom Zone. All I would have known at this point was from early 1960s Superman comics, a few ghosty, wavy-looking Kryptonian villains shaking fists at Superman. What isn't answered is whether the Legion is the sole operator of the Phantom Zone projector, or the justice system itself uses the Zone for criminals - or perhaps even medical cases are sent to the zone pending treatment, similar to today's practice of inducing a coma for some patients.


Saturn Girl said that the Legion had previously buried a projector. She got Superboy to dig it up and it was considered to be a weapon. But Tellus showed that there are other ways of looking at the zone. Tinya too. I wonder if it popped up in other Legion stories. It’s a handy way of getting rid of your foes. “Step right this way Mr Darkseid.” Perhaps too handy, which is why I think it’s Legion with a habit of being destroyed like a Cosmic Treadmill.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Tasmia acts responsibly and remains level-headed, none of the near-hysterics we've seen before when Lar was threatened or in danger. Her memory of the tunnel to the Kent residence is a nice tie-in to the Adventure story in which she, Lu and Lar escaped to Smallville to hide from Mordru.


With the recent Lar issues put aside, it would have been nice to have a story focusing on Tasmia without Lar.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Vi and Ayla kick ass. Mostly Vi kicks ass, but she's having an influence on Ayla. The Rimbor barflies really do appear to fear the Legionnaires, not just Violet. The Legion doesn't kill, but this suggests that either they can get very rough (which we have seen in the past) and/or their capture success rate is very high. Violet must be getting a reputation at this point. I have the impression that a lot of her power now is her attitude.


I think Cham and Vi get up to a number of things that the Legion doesn’t know about. Nothing directly illegal, but they have to know their criminals in a way the others don’t. Tinya knows the ropes too, but I think she’s not connected to it in the way the others are. Jo’s background wasn’t anywhere near as rough as it was later portrayed.

Originally Posted by Cramer
I could have done without the Jonah Hex page. It was a tie-in that didn't add anything to the story.


Although my honest reaction at the time I go the other view was “is that it?” I do smile at the shameless Easter egg of it now. It’s better than a needles Event crossover, in that it really is a completely throw away moment. I’m trying to recall if Giffen was drawing Hex by this point.

Hi! I’m Look-it-up Lad! The Legion appeared on the cover blurb of Jonah Hex #10 as a definite tie in. Giffen wasn’t on the credits for the issue. The story contained five Legion related panels, with the same conversation that we see in #23. Three of the panels are of the Legion and bubble in long shot. One of those is what thoth lad recalls. But there are two panels with the team in the foreground. Remember: Look it up, up… and away!

Originally Posted by Cramer
Rokk calls in a favour/exercises his privilege to borrow a time bubble for a 20th century vacation and their own mini-series. Senius doesn't warn about timestream disruptions when Krinn and Jath depart.


Time researchers are probably queuing out the door to get access to the bubbles. Krinn just waltzes through. Just like the Trapper would do! smile Odd not to get the warning right enough.

Originally Posted by Cramer
(This also raises the question of whether the Phantom Zone could be used by the Espionage Squad to spy on people.)


Tinya would seem to be the perfect person for this. Could she use the Zone as a connecting space to re-enter our world where she likes, effectively becoming a teleporter?

Originally Posted by Cramer
The issue is particularly interesting for its visuals. … the Rimbor bar scene provide a lot to engage the eye.


I had skipped past it being Rimbor. Interesting to see the home worlds don’t have to have their connected Legionnaires visit. I would have loved an interlac wanted picture asking “Who killed An Ryd? No really, we’re stumped.” smile

Originally Posted by HWW
In fact, the only aspect I don’t like about the story is Mon-El himself.


I had been wondering as I was reading it…

Originally Posted by HWW
Some may argue that he was wracked with pain from lead poisoning and the trauma of living in the Phantom Zone, so recently brought out of his subconscious by Lady Memory. Yet ordinary people battle cancer, memories of child abuse, and other horrific conditions. They often go through stages such as denial and anger, which Mon, too, displays, before finding acceptance. Since Mon-El is a hero, he should exhibit all of those traits and more. I’ve said before that I like it when heroes are human, but being human, to me, means also finding one’s better self. Mon should have made a decision at some point to trust his colleagues, to put his fate in their hands, whatever the outcome. That’s what heroes do.


I had ironically forgotten to put in a Lady Memory reference. But it certainly would have brought back a lot of thoughts he found emotionally devastating. I thought his closure in that story would have prepared him for this one. I do feel that we saw a lot of that quiet dignity in previous issues, as well as a growing impact on his relationship with Tasmia.

The last time he put his fate in another’s hands on this issue, a cure wasn’t found by him, resulting in a millennium without anything but mental stimulus. It’s a little known fact that Lar attends the Brain-In-A-Jar DCU support group.

With the pain overwhelming him, and the offer of the zone, he chose a quick death. Being Mon-El that means having to fly into a sun, but his condition was weaker than he thought. I do think Levitz had the “dying Lar fails to break the polymer shield” down as a major plot point early in the planning of this one.

Likewise, a lot of the rage scenes are there to give the reader something visual to hook onto. Brainy could have offered some pain relief and we would have had a very different story. That opens up a lot of thoughts about Brainy’s drives here. I did like his matter of fact approach. You can tell TMK researched this story, as he sues a very similar approach when Timberwolf was at death’s door.

TMK clearly looked at this story and had issues with some of the same scenes. They really brought Lar back just to tell us about their issues with it. smile They took the line that it was Eltro’s personality that was behind a lot of the panels where the calm inner strength of Lar would normally have prevailed. I don’t think they said why, but I imagine the Lady Memory episode played a part in showing the horror directly to Eltro, rather than just being a part of Lar’s mind. Actually, I think there’s a text piece that gives more details.

Hi! It’s at the back of v4 #4 and clearly links the Lady Memory issues to Lar dealing with the failure of his serum and through the later events in v3. – Look It Up Lad!

Originally Posted by HWW
Because he never completes this journey, the ending of the story falls flat to me. Instead of reflecting on this experience, learning something from it, and expressing gratitude to Tasmia, he is distracted by the mystery over Sensor Girl. It’s a tantalizing comment, but one that diverts him (and us) from what should be the point of the story: Mon has grown and changed in some way because of this near brush with death. Except he hasn’t.


Levitz seems to have gone with showing Lar just happy to be alive, and Tasmia showing that throughout such times he always has love, support and that there’s always some hope of brighter times. It’s more of a general message than anything that Lar picks up. It seems his learning moment came back in the Tales issues on Talok VIII. He’d learned about dealing with the weight of memories there. This time, I guess it was more about the thought of a return to the zone and his preference for death over that.

Originally Posted by HWW
On the plus side, it’s great to see Steve Lightle back. His art has truly grown since he started on the Legion. Every page pops with images and layouts that push the reader forward. Faces are distinct and appealing. Both the Phantom Zone and the time stream are portrayed as wondrous realms of magic and mystery.


I liked his return a lot too and it’s no surprise that his portrayal of Tellus looks so good here.

Originally Posted by HWW
The “major” outcome is that Mon will no longer need the anti-lead serum at all, but, since the serum didn’t factor into most stories, this change is a minor consolation for the missing character development.


As that included no character growth for Lar, then it’s a fair point. I looked at it as the culmination of the Lar/ Tasmia hints from previous issues, with the chance that Lar might die as a result. In the end, Brainy’s comment to that effect as part of the transfusion was a little late in the issue. The rage scene could have been replaced with Lar being given some options. With our expanded page count, he could then have decided to end it in a later scene by flying into space/ a sun.

There is the removal of another Silver Age staple as the Baxter books move away from their roots. The outcome of this issue removes the cliched arbitrary inbuilt super hero weakness. The cover might as well have had a “Lead no more!” Lar break a couple of pencils for dramatic, if not accurate effect. I think this was a deliberate behind the scenes thought process for the issue.

Originally Posted by HWW
In re-reading the last few panels, I was struck by Tasmia's dialogue: "--and I'll take care of you," "Everything will be all right" (to which Lar asks, "Promise?"), "Yes, now let's go back inside." She seems more like a mother than a lover. This may explain why she never acted upset at Lar's attempts to kill himself. Maybe she thought of herself as dealing a child's temper tantrum.


Good spot. The TMK text piece came across more of Tasmia as a suffering partner in my quick scan. Of course, the piece itself is intentionally blurred. Tasmia mothering Lar seems to be a more natural outcome based on that last scene. A very interesting dynamic to have on the team. It also ties up with something Levitz said about Tasmia. That she makes sure that Lar would know to provide and receive emotional support from her in a slightly controlling way.
Originally Posted by thoth
There’s little snippets of character shown too, as well as an important piece of the Sensor Girl mystery.


Yes. In hindsight, it's a wonderful clue to find her paying her respects to someone among the statues of deceased Legionnaires. At the time, I didn't think anything of it. I thought she was familiarizing herself with Legion history.

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V4 would tell us that the reaction was also caused by Eltro Gand’s personality cohabiting MonEl’s body.


I've never liked the Eltro Gand explanation. It excuses too much. I'd rather accept the portrayal of Mon in this story--as someone who acts in a less than heroic fashion when facing his worst nightmare--than as someone whose actions can be easily explained with the equivalent of a "a demon made me do it."

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Dawny is matter of fact, and is the first capable of keeping track of and recapturing Lar


A number of characters really shine in this story, including Dawny.

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We get glimpses of Mon-El looking back at history. He’s not omnipotent, but has seen world’s die. He seems drawn to the morbid bits, especially if he’s taken to watching Darkseid. He could have spent a thousand years watching the cat people of Vega.


Good point about Mon being fixated on the morbid bits. For all the tragedy he witnessed, he must also have seen many instances of human achievement, glory, love, and people helping each other. One of the things I've learned about coping with difficult situations is to focus on something--anything--that is positive or nurturing, such as a pleasant memory. I wonder if Mon could have found solace by focusing on similar events that he witnessed.

Tellus's reaction provides us with another perspective. He sees the Phantom Zone as a great ocean that makes him feel free (even free of his breathing helmet). It truly is a matter of perspective. While Mon's imprisonment was indeed tragic, only he could control his reactions to it. This is something I've picked up from Stoicism.

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The last time he put his fate in another’s hands on this issue, a cure wasn’t found by him, resulting in a millennium without anything but mental stimulus. It’s a little known fact that Lar attends the Brain-In-A-Jar DCU support group.


This is a fair point, and it would have made sense if Mon had brought this up in the story. Since it was the Legion that got him out of the Zone and kept him out for several years, one might expect him to have a little more faith in their methods--or at least for someone to raise this point.

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Levitz seems to have gone with showing Lar just happy to be alive, and Tasmia showing that throughout such times he always has love, support and that there’s always some hope of brighter times. It’s more of a general message than anything that Lar picks up.


I like your take on this. I still think there was a missed opportunity for something "major" to happen besides Lar no longer needing the serum. You're right that it's another break with Silver Age traditions, but, in the grand scope of things, a very minor one.
LSH #24 "Suspicion" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Larry Mahlstadt, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Legionnaires discuss who Sensor Girl might be as she, elsewhere, listens to them.

At the Academy, Gim, Brek and Wildfire question Chuck about the disappearance of Mentalla, who had just joined the training facility after her rejection by the Legion. Various students are practicing, including Myg, who gets a word of advice from Brek to do it the Legion's way.

On Rimbor, the barkeep questioned by Violet has called an SP officer, since Javors' body lies dead in the bar's trash heap.

Brainy is still worried that Sensor Girl is dangerous, that she might be Supergirl changed by the Anti-Monitor. Cham suggests that he has mental problems and Jan breaks up the argument. Jan is fed up with the suspicions and summons Sensor Girl.

Quislet spies Nura on a date with an unknown man.

The Empress receives a Khundish minion who had been charged with finding Validus. He failed; she kills him. She tells Persuader that she wants slaves to worship her as well as a new Fatal Five.

Brek watches Pol and Tellus in the pool and says he would have made it into the Legion sooner if the Academy had been available when he first applied for membership. They also discuss Sensor Girl.

Tasmia and Lar take a break in deep space on a borrowed ship and speak together about his recent experiences; Lar fears that this new serum may also wear off and he'll have no options.

A young woman called Flare steals a cruiser from Nullport as H'hranath frets. The Empress appears and instructs Flare to join her.

Jan speaks with Sensor Girl about the disruption her secrecy is causing the team. She declares it would be best if she left the team. As she bids him farewell, he worries that she may be going to join the Empress.

Second Story: "Togetherness" by Paul Levitz, art by Norm Breyfogle & Mike DeCarlo, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

Brin tries to reconcile with Ayla after a simple mission to clear a bridge. He made it look like Jan sent them to help Shvaughn, but Brin really got Blok, on Mission Monitor Board, to assign the two of them to help with the site. When Brin pleads to talk with her, Ayla erupts in anger, accuses him of abandoning her and says she's tired of being the strong one, then flies off.

Comments:
Sensor Girl dominates the Legionnaires' conversations, but I didn't get the sense that this was causing much disruption - more like gossip in downtime. Still, Jan took the initiative to try and forestall any problems at the first sign of real trouble, a brief argument between Cham and Brainy. Good to see him be proactive. That he feared driving Sensor Girl to join the Empress implies that even he had misgivings about her loyalty.

Cham gets a really deep dig in, suggesting Brainy might have created a sort-of-Supergirl in Sensor Girl, going back to the Supergirl robot story. Hard to live that one down! This is probably the most outspoken and impolitic behaviour I've seen from Cham, which illustrates the rising tensions on the team.

You figure every Legion try-out produces a traitor or a villain, so Mentalla's disappearance puts her to the top of the list, even though I wouldn't connect her to the Empress at this point. She seemed rather too weak to be Fatal Five material. I might have concluded she ran off with Energy Boy.

Brek slips further down in my estimation. He comes across as petulant and sour when he tells Myg that it has to be done the Legion way and blaming the absence of the Academy for his failure to get Legion membership early on is a poor excuse, since others got in without Academy training.

Flare is a welcome addition and not just because I like thieves. She's bold, visually striking, enjoys the challenge of the theft and is not given to hesitation, nor is she easily flustered. The Empress invites, Flare's cool with that. Some nice action scenes at Nullport as Flare kicks and H'hrnath slips.

The Empress is powerful, heartless, egotistical. She seems to enjoy murdering minions who don't live up to her expectations. Here she keeps a trophy of Kamrag's false eye after he was killed by The Eye. She's in a class of her own: riches aren't enough, power isn't enough, she wants to be a goddess ruling over slaves - but the slaves have to perform, and the Khund failed. Persuader is the muscle for a strong female for the second time in a row, an uncomplicated mercenary sort who must have learned by now how to deal with the Empress.

Lar is full of doubts. We don't know about Eltro yet, but I also would prefer to see him a bit of a mess on his own than to have the Eltro excuse. Tasmia both comforts and manages him in a very intimate scene, using her shadows to calm him. It would have been a bit of a risqué scene back in the 80s. The greyness of the Zone, as depicted in the previous issue, is a lot like a shadow itself, so whether she is desensitizing him or just providing the calm that darkness and sex can bring is unclear to me.

Last issue, Rokk borrowed a time bubble; here Lar and Tasmia borrow a ship from H'hrnath - Legion freebies! This borrowed ship scene leads right into the Nullport theft; we might have gotten a comment from H'hrnath along the lines of "if only Mon-el and Shadow Lass had arrived a day later", but there's no such obvious tie-in.

I have to wonder if that's Lester Spiffany on a date with Nura. Quislet apparently spying on different team members is another mystery thrown into the mix.

In the second story, Brin supposedly gets the final farewell, in case he hadn't gotten the message yet. It was a clumsy move on his part and I note that he never says he loves Ayla. Her anger is off the charts - a woman scorned, in her own view of the relationship. She flies off thinking she loves him, but can't be in a relationship with him, which leaves that particular story open.
An issue I actually have!

Not much to add other than the art is exquisite and there's a feel of Levitz being a man with a plan - lots of mysteries to hook us into buying the next issue.

I never really liked Element Lad though this issue gave him a decent personality as he tried to deal with the mysterious newcomer in a mature way. Polar Boy though continues to slide down my mental ranking of the team with his lack of self awareness. The scene with Lar and Tasmia was quite sexy too. And what is Nura doing? I think when I first read this issue it was this page that had me thinking the most.
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It’s a striking cover. Sensor Girl’s tension means she could react in any number of ways to her secret being revealed. It’s Element Lad who’s telling her. He is leader but he’s been the least bothered about it, trusting Saturn Girl. There’s also the link that this story is a take on his Adventure era tale. Espionage Cham and obsessed Brainy are shocked on the cover. Brin either looks as though he’s guessed right or is ready for whatever Sensor Girl does next.

After a scene where the Legion discuss their various theories on Sensor Girl (handily added, like Jan and Brainy’s views each issue for new readers) all three cover Legionnaires are involved in a heated scene. For some reason I expect Cham to be a model of calm, collected espionage. But back in earlier ages, he was mainly spotlighted in romantic entanglements. Under Levitz, we’ve seen him storm off and conduct suicide mission with his colleagues in tow. There’s also a bit of him that seems to enjoy winding people up. He deliberately goads Brainy here. He even calls into question his sanity.

The escalating tensions force Jan to contact Sensor Girl and ask her if there’s any way they can help her, with a view to revealing her identity. Another way of looking at this is that Jan capitulates to Cham’s goading and Brainy’s nagging, and isn’t strong enough to deal with either of them. There’s a bit of me wondering if Cham and Brainy staged the confrontation.

There’s a loss of trust between the Legionnaires here. It’s not helped by Sensor Girl monitoring what everyone is saying about her. As soon as Sensor Girl leaves, Jan’s immediate thought is that she might be capable of joining the Fatal Five. So much for what he said about her not pretending to be a Legionnaire.

Tension manage to mount between Magnetic Kid and Tellus too, giving Pol the first hints of a personality. Although even this conversation revolves around them effectively being replacements. Having got so used to him wearing hats (Where’s the Polar Boy/ Jimmy Olsen crossover?) Brekk’s blond hair looks odd to me. I prefer the spiky white hair from later on to this.

A later invasion of privacy is Jo using his Penetra-vision to look beneath Sensor Girl’s mask. It’s revealed that there’s no one in the costume. This pretty much gives the game away that Sensor Girl is the Ghost of Ferro Lad.

Having visited the Legion Academy, Levitz has Brek say that he would never have formed the Subs if it had been around at the time. That’s a bit disrespectful to all of the missions the Subs carried out that saved lots of lives. The Academy students eventually get to capture zoo animals a lot. As mentioned above, the only two Academy students to make it to the team from the latest round were direct replacements for founders.

Brek was visiting the Academy because, Mentalla who was one of the applicants in #14 has gone missing. Since she cleared out her tesseract its not kidnapping. The trust thing kicks in again. Gim thinks that, with some Legion information at her disposal, she could be acting against them. It’s rich from a guy that gave secrets to the LSV (although his folks were held hostage). A little more sympathy from him might have been nice.

We get a glimpse of some of the other students., notably Westerner. But the spotlight student is Myg. He’s chided for hitting Bouncing Boy, who stupidly ran right into his punch. Back in #13 Myg had earned a place at the pinnacle of Lythyl. He had somehow attained a lifetime of skill to do this. Considering the violence on that world, I don’t imagine that all of his opponents were alive at the end of their battles. There’ are a number of mysteries around him. But Levitz has simply made him a kid with some martial arts ability. It’s not even clear why he would be at the Academy, as he’s not shown to have any powers. We’ll be seeing more of Myg in the future.

The Fatal Five are on everyone’s minds since the Empress released the Persuader. The guy Ayla and Salu were trying to track down on Rimbor, Javors, turns up dead. A failed applicant perhaps. A Khund called Kamrag is dispatched by the Empress for failing to find Validus.

A thief who steals a starship called Flare is recruited by the Empress. It’s going to be interesting to see who Levitz adds to the team. Tharok is considered to be dead, and Validus, who was mainly under his control, is now missing. Both Mano and the Persuader are limited in that their abilities would demand a much higher instance of killing their opponents. New members have to be distinct, and powerful enough, but not overly lethal.

Other subplots include a concluding scene on Mon El’s serum subplot. From last issue’s comments it’s interesting that Tasmia accuses Lar of acting like a child. It’s a mature scene considering how chaste the Adventure Legion had to be. It was referred to in passing, rather tastelessly by Levitz in v6 or v7.

After all the times he invited her out dancing, Thom’s not the one holding Nura when Quislet bumps into her. The breakdown of that relationship has been a real slow burner. Will Quislet keep this information to itself?

There’s no direct threat in the main story. But all roads are leading to an encounter with the Fatal Five. The secret of Sensor Girl may also be tied to this, as Jan fears she will join them. There’s a definite feeling of escalating tension in the book, and the LaRocque art is good throughout (Batman can be seen on Rimbor. Obviously the one from the World’s Finest story. smile).

As good as Larocque’s version of Brin is, and it’s very good, Norm Breyfogle is a bit of a class act in the back up story this issue. His power effects for Ayla really stand out, and the body language between the two principals is excellent. After Brin confesses to setting up a mission to get some time to talk to Ayla, we get a summary of how she feels about their relationship. It doesn’t reflect too well on Brin, and also puts all those loner-hero characters firmly in their place.

Ayla spent years supporting Brin, but he didn’t go with her when she left the team. That was just when Brin was moving much more towards being part of the Legion (even after the asteroid encounter with Imra) so it was a genuinely tough decision for him. But he chose and it doesn’t mean that things can go back to the way they were now that Ayla has returned.

Ayla mentions that she can’t be the strong, supportive one all the time. Those are just some of the positives that she sees in Salu. There’s a transition in relationships here for Ayla, even if the Salu one is in its early stages. Ayla gave Brin reasons for their split when it happened. She’s more aware of what she wants in her return.

Overall, this is a very solid mid story issue, with things definitely looking as though they’re coming to a head.
Posted By: Set Re: Re-Reading the Legion: Archives Volume 21 - 11/29/18 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
I'm sure it is difficult, but I think, broadly, that Silver Age writers were better equipped to handle this difficulty than later writers. Hamilton, for example, brought considerable experience as a science fiction author to the table. Even the teenaged Shooter worked in concepts he was learning in school. Writers of Levitz's generation seemed to bring in nothing but comics knowledge. Comics were recycling themselves but not bringing in anything new.


I noticed that to some degree with Paul Levitz' last abortive attempt at the wheel, introducing a Green Lantern-adjacent character named Dyogene (after the historical Diogenese, IIRC). for instance.

Unfortunately even his research was a little hit-or-miss, as he introduced Harmonia Li, a millenia-old ethnic Chinese element-controller who controlled the four *Western* elements, instead of the five traditional Chinese elements (earth, fire, metal, water and wood), of which air/wind, her most commonly used power, wasn't even one...

One advantage I find with future tales set outside of the DCU, such as The Hypernaturals, is how they can really embrace out-there futurist and transhuman concepts like 'do digital recordings / downloads-to-clones of people still count as people, legally, and what happens to democracy when they outnumber those still in their first bodies?'
Originally Posted by Set


Unfortunately even his research was a little hit-or-miss, as he introduced Harmonia Li, a millenia-old ethnic Chinese element-controller who controlled the four *Western* elements, instead of the five traditional Chinese elements (earth, fire, metal, water and wood), of which air/wind, her most commonly used power, wasn't even one...


laugh

I'm laughing because I did the same thing in my early attempts at fiction: use a character from a different culture without truly understanding the culture he or she came from. I think popular fiction of the '70s and '80s in general perpetuated the idea that America was a great melting pot and was therefore open to inclusion of people from all over. However, this idea did not extend to the cultures, traditions, beliefs, etc., that shaped those people. I've come to appreciate this more after interacting with real people from different parts of the world (or even different parts of the US)--avenues that were not available to me when a lot of these stories were published. Pop culture tends to distill things down to some sort of essence and use what is necessary to advance a particular story line or series. Very often, this amounts to window dressing. ("Look, everyone! We've got a Chinese/black/Muslim/gay character. See how inclusive we are.")

In Levitz's case, I imagine it never occurred to him that the four Western elements were not universal. More's the pity. Here was a real attempt to educate readers as well as entertain them.


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One advantage I find with future tales set outside of the DCU, such as The Hypernaturals, is how they can really embrace out-there futurist and transhuman concepts like 'do digital recordings / downloads-to-clones of people still count as people, legally, and what happens to democracy when they outnumber those still in their first bodies?'



I've never read The Hypernaturals, but that sounds fascinating.
Originally Posted by Harbinger
I never really liked Element Lad though this issue gave him a decent personality as he tried to deal with the mysterious newcomer in a mature way. Polar Boy though continues to slide down my mental ranking of the team with his lack of self awareness.


Really, how they got from here to making Polar Boy leader is baffling. Maybe he improves considerably in future issues.

Originally Posted by thoth
For some reason I expect Cham to be a model of calm, collected espionage. But back in earlier ages, he was mainly spotlighted in romantic entanglements. Under Levitz, we’ve seen him storm off and conduct suicide mission with his colleagues in tow. There’s also a bit of him that seems to enjoy winding people up. He deliberately goads Brainy here. He even calls into question his sanity.


Good point about his suicide mission, I hadn't considered that and also expect him to be much more calm and logical, as he is when solving mysteries.

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Brek was visiting the Academy because, Mentalla who was one of the applicants in #14 has gone missing. Since she cleared out her tesseract its not kidnapping. The trust thing kicks in again. Gim thinks that, with some Legion information at her disposal, she could be acting against them. It’s rich from a guy that gave secrets to the LSV (although his folks were held hostage). A little more sympathy from him might have been nice.


Good catch! Nobody's thinking to check out Mentalla's parents/family (including me).

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Having visited the Legion Academy, Levitz has Brek say that he would never have formed the Subs if it had been around at the time. That’s a bit disrespectful to all of the missions the Subs carried out that saved lots of lives. The Academy students eventually get to capture zoo animals a lot. As mentioned above, the only two Academy students to make it to the team from the latest round were direct replacements for founders.


Yeah, down with Brek! Lydda's taking him off her Christmas Card list. I don't recall a scene in which he interacts with his former Subs mates, but it no doubt would have been unpleasant.

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There’ are a number of mysteries around him. But Levitz has simply made him a kid with some martial arts ability. It’s not even clear why he would be at the Academy, as he’s not shown to have any powers. We’ll be seeing more of Myg in the future.


The window dressing/stereotype again... there are a number of Academy characters who are undeveloped. Myg takes up a lot of space here, leading to high expectations from readers which don't really materialize. If the Academy funnels people into the Science Police, perhaps not all students need actual super powers. (Or did graduating to jobs with the SP only come in v.7?)

Originally Posted by HWW
I've never read The Hypernaturals, but that sounds fascinating.


I'll second Set's recommendation. It's certainly worth a read, very futuristic. I don't think it went long enough for the characters to really develop personalities, though. That's what I recall, anyways; they seemed sort of cold.
LSH #25 "Revelation" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque & Mike DeCarlo, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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The Empress and her new team welcome their fifth member; Flare and Caress (acid touch) have joined the Empress and Persuader previously.

Dawnstar, Wildfire, Brin, Jo and Brainy are on the trail of Sensor Girl. Jo relates how there was nothing inside her costume when he used his penetra-vision and Brainy is baffled.

Mysa, Jan, Thom, Jacques, Blok and Ayla assist the Science Police in finding the Empress. Mysa and Jan create a giant emerald which, with a spell of similarity and an energy charge from Ayla, should lead them to the Emerald Eye.

Rond Vidar is getting no better, tended by a Universo-controlled doctor.

After dropping off The Restorer on Titan for treatment, Gim, Nura, Tellus and Brek seek information on Mentalla; they learn that she's gone to an uncle's home on Stratus.

Dawnstar tracks Sensor Girl to Shangalla, although she has left. Brainy pauses before the marker for Lyle Norg and Mano bursts forth, burning through his force field. Jo and Brin bring Mano down. Dawnstar goes back into space but can find no trail at all for Sensor Girl. This sparks an idea for Brainy.

Back at HQ, Jan and Cham discuss Sensor Girl and what the different teams are doing.

As the Legionnaires approach Stratus, their ship is blasted to pieces by Flare and attacked by the Five. Brek is eager to get into the action and freezes Caress, but only briefly; Gim takes on the Persuader and Nura is knocked out by the Eye. Sensor Girl approaches.

Jan visits Garth and Imra to ask Imra if Sensor Girl is to be trusted; Imra tells him that she was once a Legionnaire.

On Stratus, the battle continues and Mentalla turns out to be the fifth member of the Five. Sensor Girl tries to fight the Empress, but fails; the Empress unmasks her and reveals her to be Projectra.

Comments:
The lost are found: the Empress, Mentalla and Sensor Girl's true identity. There's a good sense of the process of putting the pieces together gradually to get to the revelations - it's not just Legionnaires hopping into a ship then flying somewhere and finding someone. I like how Brainy pausing to remember Invisible Kid isn't just a nod to the past, but something which helps him figure out the mystery of Sensor Girl.

Caress came from nowhere, but her inclusion and powers are quickly explained. I'm not sure, but she looks oriental, and it would be a welcome change to have an oriental member who was not a martial arts expert. The acid touch power would return as acid spit in the form of Dragonwing, another oriental woman but with a more stereotyped name.

Mano was denigrated by the Empress last issue, but she must have led him to believe he had a chance to join her team if he killed a Legionnaire. It's a good insight into how she plays with people; had Mano succeeded, she might well have killed him. Mano is a diversion for both the Legionnaires and the readers.

The page on which Jan and Cham rehash Sensor Girl as Jan considers the three teams strikes me as wasted. He or Cham might have at least speculated that all three teams would wind up at the same destination.

Dawnstar feels she has to prove herself in every issue now. I don't get that.

Titan keeps tabs on all its citizens, which is pretty creepy. Allegedly for taxation and reference purposes, it may have another aim to control its telepaths, who could be accused of or get up to all sorts of crimes.

There's a mention of wealth and the space it buys as the Legion approaches Stratus (which I assume is the same as Starshire in the previous issue). There isn't much discussion, just enough comments to fuel the reader's imagination.

Brek loses more points by flying off on his own to take on the Fatal Five. It's impetuous, foolhardy and self-centered. The result might have been no different had he waited to attack as a team, but it's poor form.

Jan refers to an adventure that Imra and Garth had with the Time Trapper, which would have happened in Legionnaires 3.

Mentalla refers to Tellus as "a monster", the first of a series of insulting names which will be applied to Tellus.

Questions: Why is Nura saying that Jan "only reluctantly" allowed Gim to accompany the team seeking Mentalla? Why did Garth leave the room when Imra and Jan were discussing Sensor Girl, apart from the diaper change? Why would Imra keep the secret from him and why could he not hear what she said to Jan?
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I guess we can read the last cover as “We know your secret…but we’ll keep it to ourselves for 30 days!” Only now will Sensor Girl’s secret be revealed, unless there’s something that next month’s cover wants to tell us.

It’s a nice Lightle cover, spotlighting Sensor Girl, and highlighting the Legion’s conflict against the Fatal Five. No smug Brin on the cover for the identity reveal.

We open with the Emerald Empress welcoming a new member to the Five. Someone with Legion connections. Could it be Sensor Girl? Since the Empress dealt with Sensor Girl as a peer, while this person is a “little secret” who must “earn your place in the Fatal Five,” it seems it’s someone else.

There’s a bit of posturing as the Five are reintroduced, or in the case of Caress introduced, to the story. Caress looks to have a similar, if lesser, power than Mano. This means she should be able to use them in a story without instantly killing someone as Mano would.

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Drake sure is clingy today and I note that Dawnstar uses “friendship” to keep him at a distance.

The atmosphere is little better in the cruiser. The team discuss Sensor Girl with Brianiac convinced she’s hostile. This story shows that his 12 level intellect can be steered into very dangerous waters. Jo reveals the results of his attempt to peek into Sensor Girl’s costume. Which sounds quite creepy now I’ve typed it. I remember his origin now, when he peeked under Superboy’s clothes. Yikes!

Back in the day Invisible Kid would show up and punch Jo in the face for his behaviour here. We miss you Lyle, and he could have been useful in keeping Brainy in his place too.

The current Invisible Kid fills in some background space on Earth as his colleagues create a giant, energised Emerald. Just in case the Emerald Empress is a Bat-Villain.

It’s just one of a few subplots. We pop into see that Rond Vidar is still under the supervision of an agent of Universo. One of his colleagues will surely see his super-villainous smile and contact the authorities?

Then it’s off to Titan where a team are dropping off the Restorer (linking it with the last couple of scenes) and also looking into Mentalla’s record. To be fair to Levitz, each of these diversions will lead back into a main plot. We get a connection between Titan and Tellus’ home world. It’s a small galaxy. Dream World reminds the others of the chain of command, only to have Gim wing it as they head off to Stratus, where Mentalla left word she was staying. Convenient that she should visit Titan and that the Legion would choose to look into it (Jan didn’t really want to send the team really)

We’re back with Dawny as a successful use of her powers leads them to a dead end on Shanghalla. Brainy misses Lyle too. The team are distracted by Mano attacking them to gain a place on the Five. It seems the Empress sent out more than Five invites, with the best of them being selected. The villain is easily taken down by Brin and Jo. It’s a sad defeat for Man, but he’ll be better placed with Starfinger in v4.

The story cuts to Jan, as Levitz feels that the reader needs an update of where everyone is, and to begin the reverse of Brainy’s obsession. It’s Jan’s faith in the Coluan’s current state that allows the story to lead nicely to Brainy figuring out Sensor Girls identity. He does this after Danwy (who gets to dump Drake behind! Yay!) fails in the use of her powers (Boo!) Sensor Girl has left no trace to be found. Brainy knows why, but chooses not to share his revelation with the rest of his team. Why would he do that?

Brin rightly wonders how Mano knew to be on Shanghalla. I don’t think it’s ever explained? As there’s a full five in the Fatal Five, I wonder if this scene is just padding to make the graveyard trip more exciting.

The team approach Stratus and Dreamy tells Brek to land the shuttle on the estate of Mentalla’s uncle. Brekk tells Nura that he’s ahead of her, as an early nod to his ambitions within the team.

Flare blasts them out of the sky. Tellus has been handy this issue. Being able to access the equipment on Titan and now holding the shuttle together. Brekk’s ego makes him rush off first. As he attacks Caress, he says that he’s not trying to hog the action. But either the Empress or Flare could have shot him down. There’s no reason why the pair didn’t use their ranged attacks.

Gim once again gets the upper hand on the Persuader, although Dreamy gets blasted by Empress. Sensor Girl approaches the battle. Is she the secret member of the Five after all? Levitz has clearly enjoyed this mystery, and has Jan visit Imra. She tells him that Sensor Girl was already a Legionnaire, while reminding us of the Legionnaires 3 mini series. Imra and Garth are in costume, but surely they’ve had a chance to change since their adventure?

So Sensor Girl really is the Ghost of Ferro Lad. Or is she the Zombie of Nemesis Kid and the Legionnaires are about to die… Whoever she is, she sides with the Legion in the battle. The thing is that the Legion weren’t on the ropes and her intervention seems to make little difference. Empress rallies her troops and the battle, if anything, turns against the Legion. The Persuader battles back at Gim while Flare keeps Tellus at bay.

If Sensor Girl isn’t Fifth of Five, readers don’t have long to wait to find out who is. Gim’s powers fail, as Mentalla takes control of them. Just as she controlled Jo’s powers all the way back in her try out. She’s just as sneering too, and a few characters are referring to Tellus as a monster. He retreats back to Polar Boy who is holding off Caress.

it’s an odd fight. Persuader doesn’t press the advantage. Polar Boy doesn’t just knock Caress out with a chunk of ice. Flare and the Empress continue to use their powers effectively. While Sensor Girl disrupts the Eye, Empress gets in close and knocks her to the ground. The Eye then removes the Sensor Girl costume to reveal Princess Projectra!

There’s the usual solid Levitz craft of running plotlines in parallel (The Five, Sensor Girl) before merging them together. This time he’s also added other smaller subplots (Mentalla, Brainy’s Obsession ) and combined those at the same point too. He’s still pushing himself as a writer and it’s something you don’t see too many books being capable of. Even then, Levitz still adds in other subplots (Dreamy/ Thom/ Universo) and red herrings for this plot that will feature later (that giant Emerald). It’s good work.

There’s a question as to how Sensor Girl knew to turn up on Stratus. There’s also the question as to how Mano knew to be on Shanghalla. Also, while the big fight scene had some very good visual moments, some it seemed to be marking time between the plot points. No one really pressed the advantage that Larocque showed the to have. On the whole, through Levitz writing strength, and Larocques development, this is one of the better stories of the volume.
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Hi, hi. CalorieQueen

Told you I'd be back to review Baxter 25 and 26.

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At last, the New Fatal Five are in place!

At last, Mike DeCarlo becomes the book's go-to inker, and we get the first issue in eons that looks polished and slick from first page to last -- bye-bye, Larry Mahlstedt, don't let the futuristic sliding door pinch you on the way out!

At last, Greg LaRocque gets to prove that no Legion artist of the 80s was more fully in tune with Paul Levitz when it came to action sequence choreography!

And at last, Sensor Girl is revealed!

Um...

*crickets*

At last, at last, at last, Sensor Girl is revealed!

Yeah, okay, I'll admit that I don't like it any more than a lot of you reading this do.

sigh

I mean, Projectra? Pro-freakin'-jectra?

Buuuuut...that's the *last* page of the issue, so up until then it's just swell!

My only other quibble is that both Levitz and LaRocque appear to share Sarya's contemptuous attitude toward Mano. That just puzzles me, 'cause he's always been my second favorite of the founding Fatal Fivers (after Sarya, of course.) I've shared this story in the past, but it bears repeating -- my first exposure to the Legion was the cover of one of the Conway issues, an installment in the Dark Man Saga where each of the villains gets a head-shot and a summary of their powers. "Mano: His touch brings death." Plus the opacity of his helmet made his face impossible to see. It all combined to creep the living hell outta Little Annfie!

I'll give Baxter 25 a grade of 9 out of 10 Taryns:

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Comments

Originally Posted by Cramer
I like how Brainy pausing to remember Invisible Kid isn't just a nod to the past, but something which helps him figure out the mystery of Sensor Girl.

It was almost empathic of him, reminding us of a softer Brainy than seen elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Caress came from nowhere, but her inclusion and powers are quickly explained. I'm not sure, but she looks oriental, and it would be a welcome change to have an oriental member who was not a martial arts expert. The acid touch power would return as acid spit in the form of Dragonwing, another oriental woman but with a more stereotyped name.


She seemed like a decent Mano upgrade, free of his limitations, But we’d not see any more of her and she got mind altered by the Dominators, as did Flare in v4. I hadn’t made the connection between the powers of Caress and those of Dragonwing.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Mano was denigrated by the Empress last issue, but she must have led him to believe he had a chance to join her team if he killed a Legionnaire. It's a good insight into how she plays with people; had Mano succeeded, she might well have killed him. Mano is a diversion for both the Legionnaires and the readers.


I thought she might let him take the place of one of the Five. If he’s worth any merit, Mano should forge his own path. Considering he’s skulking around tombstones, his self esteem and stock must have fallen quite a bit.

Another solution is that the Five becomes just a name, with the Empress running more operatives than that. Perhaps Five towards any one goal, like a Swan Legion story or a mission impossible team.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Dawnstar feels she has to prove herself in every issue now. I don't get that.


The record got stuck after having her powers fail to find those in other dimensions. Just like it got stuck between her and Drake.

Originally Posted by Cramer
There's a mention of wealth and the space it buys as the Legion approaches Stratus (which I assume is the same as Starshire in the previous issue). There isn't much discussion, just enough comments to fuel the reader's imagination.


The future is utopian, but it’s a bit more utopian for some than others.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Brek loses more points by flying off on his own to take on the Fatal Five. It's impetuous, foolhardy and self-centered. The result might have been no different had he waited to attack as a team, but it's poor form.


It looked like a visual shortcut to let us know how keen Brek is to make his mark. He wants to impress the others, not in a necessarily boastful way but in a way that shows he not only belongs but that he excels. It hasn’t crossed his mind that none of the others thinks that way.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Mentalla refers to Tellus as "a monster", the first of a series of insulting names which will be applied to Tellus.


Some artists have drawn a host of alien forms all intermingling. Others much less so. You wonder how the rather humancentric United Planets citizens really feel to the alien races.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Questions: Why is Nura saying that Jan "only reluctantly" allowed Gim to accompany the team seeking Mentalla?


Perhaps Mentalla (who cleared out her locker and wasn’t much of a student) was considered to be a lesser threat than the Five or a rogue Sensor Girl.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Why did Garth leave the room when Imra and Jan were discussing Sensor Girl, apart from the diaper change?


Sensor Girl presumably only told Imra her secret, and not Garth.

Originally Posted by Cramer
Why would Imra keep the secret from him and why could he not hear what she said to Jan?


The first part could be that Garth respects his wife agreeing to keep a secret and the second part is hearing loss due to all the noisy electrical discharges down the years.

Originally Posted by Anne Hebistand
At last, Greg LaRocque gets to prove that no Legion artist of the 80s was more fully in tune with Paul Levitz when it came to action sequence choreography!


I had some mixed feelings on the fight scene this issue. Or rather, I thought I had, but couldn’t really justify them. On one hand it’s a barren despite being a luxury spot and has a samey background. Levitz’s plot points are clearly driving things too. On the other Larocque does a good job on things like the Gim/ Persuader fight and the Brek/ Caress one.

Originally Posted by Anne Hebistand
I've shared this story in the past, but it bears repeating -- my first exposure to the Legion was the cover of one of the Conway issues, an instalment in the Dark Man Saga where each of the villains gets a head-shot and a summary of their powers. "Mano: His touch brings death." Plus the opacity of his helmet made his face impossible to see. It all combined to creep the living hell outta Little Annfie!


That’s exactly Mano’s problem. His touch brings death, and he likes hand to hand combat. So every time he lands a blow, he should be killing someone. Unless you either tune it down “Mano: His touch brings death, when he wants to.” Or find new ways of never letting him touch anything. I’d prefer the first. He doesn’t have to blow up a planet every time he shakes your hand. We’ve seen energy blasts before too, but I like him being more than just another blaster (Flare has replaced that in this Five lineup.)

Mano was introduced as having enhanced speed. So you had a mini Flash with a death touch. No wonder that was quietly dropped.
Thoth, point taken about Mano. It would be great if the creators had always made it clear whether or not he's able to regulate the intensity of the radiation discharges from his hand, and how he does it. The Postboot Legion, which if I recall correctly, you don't have a lot of familiarity with, did some excellent stuff with the character that actually does deal with some of the problems you point out, but I don't think I should spoil anything before we get to the Postboot (Mano's the villain du jour in one of the earliest Postboot installments.)

As for LaRocque's action sequences, I'm afraid I don't quite follow you. Why shouldn't the artist stick as close as possible to the writer's plot points when staging the action, especially when the scripts are as dense and multi-threaded as Levitz's? The only option I can think of is for the artists to go off on tangents whether it serves the story or not. Giffen appears to have done that quite a bit, and while sometimes the results had a decent Kirby-Style kick to them, more often than not I found them confusing and/or distracting. In the end, I suppose it's all a matter of personal taste. shrug
Cramey's a bit busy, but she says she'll be back soon. In the meantime, she gave me the ok to keep the momentum going by posting the first review of...

Baxter Legion 26

Not one of Lightle's better covers IMO -- lots of pretty renderings, but the composition and the perspective are off-kilter -- although it's not entirely his fault (Caress has been colored to look like a Yellow Menace stereotype; a pox on the parties responsible.)

Despite the (mostly excellent) previous issue ending on what I consider a hiccup of a cliffhanger (Sensor Girl is Projectra,) Levitz & LaRocque regain their momentum by opening with a spectacular tactical move from field commander Nura, using Tellus's telepathy to link the minds of Gim, Brek, Nura, and Tellus (something Grant Morrison would quite blatantly steal for his overrated JLA run, and turn J'onn J'onnz's telepathic linking into a trope almost as overused as Batman having the answer to every damn thing. But I digress.)

Oops! The Legionnaires get a bit overconfident when they try to press the advantage, and end up having to beat a hasty retreat, and hide from the New Fatal Five behind a wall of ice.

Over on the Shangalla asteroid, the other team of Legionnaires (Brainy, Dawny, Drake, Tinya, Jo, Dirk, and Brin) finish figuring out the truth about Sensor Girl, and Brainy is his usual hilariously condescending self, this time targeting Brin (whose lucky guess coming closest to the truth is "an awesome concept in itself" -- oh, Brainy, I luv ya, but that's just mean!)

Then, two pages of the seemingly doomed Stratus team reviving Sensor Jeckie. True to form, when they ask for an explanation, she's annoyingly vague and pompous...and that's before she even gets to the point!

Jeckie better hurry it up, though, cause the F5 are renewing hostilities in a MAJOR way, once again allowing LaRocque to strut his stuff -- that 3/4-page full-body panel of Flare in flight is gob-watering, proving LaRocque's mastery at depicting the human(-oid) figure! At the other extreme, a tight close up of a superbly menacing Sarya is equally stunning.

Oh...uh...Levitz then awkwardly cuts to Legion HQ on Earth, in a sequence that, in my view at least, has little point other than setting up Mysa's segment in the next issue.

We return to Stratus, but only for Sensor Jeckie to slow the proceedings down to a near-halt as she spouts a Levitz-at-his-worst pseudo-mystic gobbledygook infodump. I do kinda feel sorry for Levitz, having to cobble together such foolishness because of Jenette Kahn's bad call RE: Levitz's original plan for Sensor Girl to be Supergirl. Nura does do quite a nice job of playing devil's advocate, but since I've re-read this era many times, I already know that Jeckie's shaky moral ground plot thread is never really gonna get resolved. At least it gives LaRocque an excuse to show off how much he enjoys drawing Nura!

Ah, but THEN...the creators get back in high gear, as the F5 launch their attack. Love, love, LOVE this stuff, especially Sarya's wonderfully over-the-top quote, "Ah -- the soft cries of PAIN. Success." And then Mentalla's not-entirely-surprising change of heart, which proves...well...FATAL. Poor thing, she realized too late just how evil her teammates really were. A shocking and very powerful cut to Imra on Earth telepathically feeling Mentalla's death-knell impresses me a great deal!

And...damn, but this brings out a side of Nura we've never seen before, as she righteously rushes Sarya. Go, Dream Girl!

Unfortunately, Levitz seems to think that Jeckie *has* to get payback against Sarya and be the one to take down both her and the Persuader. Worst of all, the writer then falls back on one of his most annoying bad habits -- the cavalry charging in at the last second. I love Dawny and Drake, but this is just bad scripting!

And that's it! There hasn't been an ending this abrupt to a major Legion storyline since the weaker Adventure Era stories! Phooey.

The good things about this issue earn it a 7-Taryns-out-of-10 rating. Guess the holiday season's got me feeling generous.

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LSH #26 "Illusion" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque, Mike DeCarlo & Arne Starr, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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The fight between Legionnaires and the Fatal Five halts, as everyone is stunned by the revelation that Sensor Girl is Projectra. Nura takes advantage of the confusion to coordinate an attack on the Five.

On Shangalla, Brainy explains how he deduced that Sensor Girl is Projectra.

On Stratus, the Legionnaires have retreated behind an ice wall; Projectra is unconscious but is awoken by a cold shock from Brek. The Five, on the other side of the wall, have regrouped and make plans to hunt down the Legionnaires.

At Legion HQ, Jan confirms to a group of Legionnaires that Projectra is Sensor Girl. Mysa interrupts to explain that she must return to the Sorcerers' World on personal business and leaves through a magical portal.

On Stratus, Projectra explains how she acquired the power to see through all illusions and was ordered to go on a journey of penance for the harm she had brought to Orando. Nura raises the question of Projectra, a Legionnaire, having killed an enemy; Nura herself then has some presentiment of death

Flare has found the Legionnaires and the Five attack, disabling Brek, Gim and Tellus and taking their flight rings. The battle continues, with the Legion losing; Mentalla thinks that she must play her part now or never. Flare loses control of the techno-shield and the Empress uses the confiscated flight rings to signal other Legionnaires - then realizes that Mentalla has betrayed them. Mentalla claims that she wanted to prove her worth to the Legion and never intended to help the Five to win. The Empress responds by murdering her.

Both Tellus on Stratus and Imra back on Earth feel the pain of Mentalla's death. The battle resumes, with the remaining four targeting Projectra. Through her illusions, she causes the Persuader to attack Flare and Caress, then she removes all his senses and leaves him in a white void. Caress pins Projectra and burns her as the Eye attacks. Dawnstar and Wildfire arrive just in time to disrupt both Caress and the Eye. Projectra deals the final blow to knock out the Empress, then collapses.

Comments:

Mentalla dies, foolish girl in way over her head. She comes across as ineffectual, which could have been intentional to slow down the Empress; if she were truly as incompetent as she appears, how was she even chosen to join the group? She may well have used some mind control on the Empress to gain admission as the fifth member but lacked the skill to continue the charade. That her death throes were felt by both Tellus and Imra, far away, could mean that she was a very powerful telepath indeed.

Did Nura vaguely sense somebody was going to die, or did she see Mentalla's death, perhaps even the reason for it? If the latter, Nura just let events take their course and an accepted that the death was inevitable but essential to the greater purpose of defeating the Empress. She believes/knows that her visions always come true and the knowledge must weigh on her.

The fight against the Empress takes up most of the issue, with advances and retreats - not an easy take-down. The two sides were very well matched. Nura played a key role as field commander; leadership comes naturally to her. Even Brek performed admirably and acted as a team player. I got the impression that this Fatal Five worked better as a team, supporting one another's powers, than the previous iteration. It's a shame that we never saw Flare and Caress again (possibly bit parts in Lo3W?).

The few pages given to explaining Sensor Girl's identity fill in the blanks of how the other Legionnaires learn the news. They're more than filler, since we see the various members' reactions and there's a sense of relief to have the mystery solved, as well as surprise.

Nura raises the sticky question of Projectra being in the Legion, having killed an enemy. It's nicely written, no judgement, just pointing out a potential problem. Projectra herself sees nothing wrong with what she's done. Is she on her royal high horse, or did she lie on the Legion entrance exam? (I forget how she voted on the Brainiac 5 trial later in the series, but suspect she gave him a not guilty.)

Projectra herself gives a fuller story to the team on Stratus. It's a good background tale, her new powers are explained (a bit mumbo-jumbo, but I personally love that "what is reality?" stuff). I am reminded of a saying "if your group is messed up, stay there and fix it, don't come and mess up my group" - and have to wonder why, apart from the story, Projectra wasn't advised to stay home and fix the mess she'd made. Instead, she returned to the Legion, and acquired an almost personal vendetta to bring down the Empress, a nobody who claimed to be royalty. There's something psychological about that which is beyond me to explain. They'll meet again, of course, and it will be a very personal encounter, so maybe I'm reading some of that later meeting into this one.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand

Over on the Shangalla asteroid, the other team of Legionnaires (Brainy, Dawny, Drake, Tinya, Jo, Dirk, and Brin) finish figuring out the truth about Sensor Girl, and Brainy is his usual hilariously condescending self, this time targeting Brin (whose lucky guess coming closest to the truth is "an awesome concept in itself" -- oh, Brainy, I luv ya, but that's just mean!)


It is mean, and bad form given that he's the Deputy Leader. We've seen sniping from Ayla (understandable), Tinya and Tasmia (catty) but Brainy should have put a brake on his tongue.

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Then, two pages of the seemingly doomed Stratus team reviving Sensor Jeckie. True to form, when they ask for an explanation, she's annoyingly vague and pompous...and that's before she even gets to the point!


She is rather more pompous than she used to be, certainly more vague. Maybe she thinks they won't understand mystical powers, but for a queen on a journey of atonement, she's still acting pretty royal.

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Jeckie better hurry it up, though, cause the F5 are renewing hostilities in a MAJOR way, once again allowing LaRocque to strut his stuff -- that 3/4-page full-body panel of Flare in flight is gob-watering, proving LaRocque's mastery at depicting the human(-oid) figure! At the other extreme, a tight close up of a superbly menacing Sarya is equally stunning.


That Flare image was outstanding! How sad that she wasn't an on-going villain.

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We return to Stratus, but only for Sensor Jeckie to slow the proceedings down to a near-halt as she spouts a Levitz-at-his-worst pseudo-mystic gobbledygook infodump.


It was sort of gobbledygook, but I still loved it. Hey, we're not supposed to understand it! We're mere mortals.

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Unfortunately, Levitz seems to think that Jeckie *has* to get payback against Sarya and be the one to take down both her and the Persuader. Worst of all, the writer then falls back on one of his most annoying bad habits -- the cavalry charging in at the last second. I love Dawny and Drake, but this is just bad scripting!

And that's it! There hasn't been an ending this abrupt to a major Legion storyline since the weaker Adventure Era stories! Phooey.


It was abrupt - felt like I should have turned the page for the epilogue, although the next issue is epilogue. It also gave me the impression that the battle might not be entirely over. At least it wasn't Mon-el and Ultra Boy arriving as the cavalry.
LSH #27 "Going Home" by Paul Levitz, art by Greg LaRocque, Colleen Doran, Sean MacManus & Gene Colon, inks by Mike DeCarlo & Arne Starr, colors by Carl Gafford, letters by John Costanza

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Projectra has returned to Orando; her councillors agree that she should resume the throne, but she claims everything is illusion, there is too much sorrow for her on Orando and she renounces the throne to return to the Legion.

Jan has brought Shvaughn to Trom, shows her the remains of his civilization and the markers of the fallen. They pray together in a temple.

On Zerox, the sorcerers release Mordru from his earthen prison. He threatens them but they stand united and perform a ritual to renew his soul. He appears to change, but one sorcerer voices uncertainty. The masters invite Mysa to remain with them, but she chooses to return to the Legion.

Gim and Yera dine with the Allons, discussing Sensor Girl and Marte's post-presidential life. Marte makes a comment questioning what Yera really is but later admits she will get used to her Durlan powers.

At Legion HQ, other Legionnaires, joined by Garth, Imra and Graym, relax. Brin goes to bring Jan to the party, who is watching the votes come in on whether Projectra as Sensor Girl will be allowed in the Legion, now that they know her identity and consider her killing of Nemesis Kid. The killing was deemed to be in self-defense although Jan suggests some doubt about that. Regardless, Projectra as Sensor Girl is once again voted in as a Legion member.

Comments:

After taking down the Fatal Five, you want to relax - and that's what happens here. It's a good breather of an issue, with plenty of character moments and a variety of civilian clothes, which I always enjoy seeing.

Projectra claims all is illusion, including the power of the throne, but still acts pretty high-and-mighty. She appears to close the door for good on Orando, declining the throne and claiming that she will lose sight of it when she returns to the Legion's universe.

Trom is beautiful in its remains, but sad. It's bathed in radiation, which Jan can stand but requires Shvaughn to wear a suit. (I don't recall that radiation was a part of Trom's make-up in any future issues.) Jan has become the self-appointed keeper of the planet and we see him at his most spiritual here. Jan doesn't believe in marriage and Shvaughn herself is uncertain if she would want to take that step. However, there's no doubt that they'll continue their relationship.

There is a sliver of doubt left that Mordru is entirely healed, which makes it convenient for any writer who might want to bring him back as a villain in the future. The cover makes it appear that Mordru might be a central figure in the story, but he's just one of several tales. Nicely laid-out cover nevertheless.

The artwork on the Gim & Yera story is very moody, more like a tragic romance comic than superhero fare. It's appropriate for the tale, which is reflective and serious, despite Yera's change into a hawk to save the drinks tray. Marte has issues with her daughter-in-law, which we haven't really seen until now.

There's more marriage discussion as the Legionnaires relax in the HQ, with Imra commenting that children aren't the reason Rokk and Lydda don't get married. Dirk sees the possibility of a romance between Brainy and Dr. Chaseer. Thom and Nura are all kissy again. Ayla seems to be softening regarding Brin, actually casting a smile his way (which he doesn't see).

There's no detail of the vote to let Projectra join the Legion as Sensor Girl. Jan described her self-defense claim as "sort of" self-defense, which doesn't sound like a great vote of confidence. However, everyone appears overjoyed to have her back. Nevertheless, I'd like to know if there were dissenting votes.
Originally Posted by Cramey
Mentalla dies, foolish girl in way over her head. She comes across as ineffectual, which could have been intentional to slow down the Empress; if she were truly as incompetent as she appears, how was she even chosen to join the group? She may well have used some mind control on the Empress to gain admission as the fifth member but lacked the skill to continue the charade. That her death throes were felt by both Tellus and Imra, far away, could mean that she was a very powerful telepath indeed.


Possibly. Or it could mean that the potential of Imra's telepathic power is off the charts, something we'd see explored far more in the Postboot than the Preboot.

Originally Posted by Cramey
The fight against the Empress takes up most of the issue, with advances and retreats - not an easy take-down. The two sides were very well matched. Nura played a key role as field commander; leadership comes naturally to her. Even Brek performed admirably and acted as a team player. I got the impression that this Fatal Five worked better as a team, supporting one another's powers, than the previous iteration. It's a shame that we never saw Flare and Caress again (possibly bit parts in Lo3W?).


Agreed 100%. nod

Originally Posted by Cramey
The few pages given to explaining Sensor Girl's identity fill in the blanks of how the other Legionnaires learn the news. They're more than filler, since we see the various members' reactions and there's a sense of relief to have the mystery solved, as well as surprise.


I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Originally Posted by Cramey
Projectra herself gives a fuller story to the team on Stratus. It's a good background tale, her new powers are explained (a bit mumbo-jumbo, but I personally love that "what is reality?" stuff).


Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Cramey
I am reminded of a saying "if your group is messed up, stay there and fix it, don't come and mess up my group" - and have to wonder why, apart from the story, Projectra wasn't advised to stay home and fix the mess she'd made. Instead, she returned to the Legion, and acquired an almost personal vendetta to bring down the Empress, a nobody who claimed to be royalty. There's something psychological about that which is beyond me to explain. They'll meet again, of course, and it will be a very personal encounter, so maybe I'm reading some of that later meeting into this one.


This is all very well-observed, and it puts Projectra in a very bad light. Which is fine by me, as lately I have come to dislike royalty in both fantasy worlds and the Real World. I think it's very realistic that she would care more about herself than her subjects or her teammates, and even more realistic that she'd take a personal peeve against commoners with higher aspirations (i.e. Sarya) to nauseating levels. This all reminds me of an SCTV sketch where one of the cast members (Martin Short? I don't clearly recall) played a punk rocker shout-singing, "Oi 'ate the bloody Queen!" LOL
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Then, two pages of the seemingly doomed Stratus team reviving Sensor Jeckie. True to form, when they ask for an explanation, she's annoyingly vague and pompous...and that's before she even gets to the point!


She is rather more pompous than she used to be, certainly more vague. Maybe she thinks they won't understand mystical powers, but for a queen on a journey of atonement, she's still acting pretty royal.


Again, as in my previous post, arguably making the character come off worse than Levitz's may have intended.

Originally Posted by Cramey
Originally Posted by Annfie
Jeckie better hurry it up, though, cause the F5 are renewing hostilities in a MAJOR way, once again allowing LaRocque to strut his stuff -- that 3/4-page full-body panel of Flare in flight is gob-watering, proving LaRocque's mastery at depicting the human(-oid) figure! At the other extreme, a tight close up of a superbly menacing Sarya is equally stunning.


That Flare image was outstanding! How sad that she wasn't an on-going villain.


Indeed! Taking into account not only Flare and Caress, but also Lady Memory, I'd say Levitz's problem at creating new villains was more a case of not allowing them to live up to their potential, whether through weak writing (the resolution to the LM story is very poor, IMO) or ignoring them in favor of crummy legacy villains like Starfinger.

Originally Posted by Cramey
Originally Posted by Annfie
We return to Stratus, but only for Sensor Jeckie to slow the proceedings down to a near-halt as she spouts a Levitz-at-his-worst pseudo-mystic gobbledygook infodump.


It was sort of gobbledygook, but I still loved it. Hey, we're not supposed to understand it! We're mere mortals.


lol Given my deep-rooted tendency towards megalomania, I appreciate the reality check. wink

Originally Posted by Cramey
Originally Posted by Annfie
Unfortunately, Levitz seems to think that Jeckie *has* to get payback against Sarya and be the one to take down both her and the Persuader. Worst of all, the writer then falls back on one of his most annoying bad habits -- the cavalry charging in at the last second. I love Dawny and Drake, but this is just bad scripting!

And that's it! There hasn't been an ending this abrupt to a major Legion storyline since the weaker Adventure Era stories! Phooey.


It was abrupt - felt like I should have turned the page for the epilogue, although the next issue is epilogue. It also gave me the impression that the battle might not be entirely over. At least it wasn't Mon-el and Ultra Boy arriving as the cavalry.


Very good point there, at the end, about Feet of Clay Lad and Poseur Kid. And if Levitz tended to overuse them, we ain't seen nothin' yet 'til we get to 5YL! Groan!
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
LSH #27Comments:

Projectra claims all is illusion, including the power of the throne, but still acts pretty high-and-mighty. She appears to close the door for good on Orando, declining the throne and claiming that she will lose sight of it when she returns to the Legion's universe.


Yeah, that'll hold up well when the commoners on Orando stage a coup d'état![/sarcasm] :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Cramey
Trom is beautiful in its remains, but sad. It's bathed in radiation, which Jan can stand but requires Shvaughn to wear a suit. (I don't recall that radiation was a part of Trom's make-up in any future issues.) Jan has become the self-appointed keeper of the planet and we see him at his most spiritual here. Jan doesn't believe in marriage and Shvaughn herself is uncertain if she would want to take that step. However, there's no doubt that they'll continue their relationship.


Colleen Doran really outdoes herself in this chapter, especially the inside temple. Mike DeCarlo is often accused of imposing his style on other artists' pencils, but Colleen's unique style still looks like her work to me.

But I still think Jan and Erin are both a couple of creepy losers, even without counting the way subsequent creators would interpret them.

Originally Posted by Cramey
There is a sliver of doubt left that Mordru is entirely healed, which makes it convenient for any writer who might want to bring him back as a villain in the future.


Bad move, in my opinion. Mordru should never have been used more than once, as far as I'm concerned. But considering how every Legion writer seems to want to use him, I guess that's just me. I do like the Postboot Mordru Trilogy a great deal, but he wasn't quite as close to omnipotent there as he was in the Preboot (also, Stern and McCraw smartly emphasized how teamwork literally means life or death when dealing with a Mordru-Level villain.)

Originally Posted by Cramey
The cover makes it appear that Mordru might be a central figure in the story, but he's just one of several tales. Nicely laid-out cover nevertheless.


Agreed on the cover, an improvement over last issue's.

Originally Posted by Cramey
The artwork on the Gim & Yera story is very moody, more like a tragic romance comic than superhero fare. It's appropriate for the tale, which is reflective and serious, despite Yera's change into a hawk to save the drinks tray. Marte has issues with her daughter-in-law, which we haven't really seen until now.


Yes. And, again, Gene Colan's very individualistic style still looks like Gene Colan once DeCarlo has gone over it with ink. Maybe a little too clean, but considering how rarely I liked the inking on Colan's DC work, I think it's a stellar job.
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Jeckie’s powers worked against the eye before, but then failed at the end of last issue leading to the reveal. It’s not clear if Empress had figured out her identity. If she was still…in the dark...it’s a bit plot convenient that overcame Jeckie.

It might have been a surprise, but surely not as much for the villains who allow Nura and Gim time for a conversation. Perhaps it would have been more dynamic to have Nura communicate directly with Tellus, in a moment of distraction for the villains.

Tellus’ group telepathy is a useful tactical power that we don’t see used much. The telepathic earplugs seem to have been sufficient. But this offers options as we’d see in J’Onn J’Onn/ Authority.

Nura’s combat abilities are used, which gives Levitz an opportunity to show the Persuader as effectively using the axe by nicking her.


Brainy manages to sum up the Sensor Girl mystery without the benefit of a drawing room or a chase scene. Dawny says that she can’t track Jeckie, but I’m struggling to think why not now that she knows what to look for.

I had wondered why the Empress didn’t press the advantage against the Legion. The Eye seems to need some recovery time after facing down Jeckie. That’s consistent with the struggle it had with her before. UI had thought that this was the moment Mentalla was acting against them.

More useful powers as Brek shocks someone awake. Levitz gets bonus points this issue for novel power uses.

Although Nura says that the new Five are as powerful as the old, they haven’t had to go up against Validus or Tharok this time. Empress consistently reinforces the underling status of her new recruits, while affording Persuader a more senior role. Nicely done in the dialogue.

The gap in hostilities allows for Element Lad to tie up the part of the Sensor Girl plot that included Saturn Girl, while allowing Jeckie to reveal the secrets behind her return. It’s good to see Nura bring up the death of Nemesis Kid at Jeckie’s hands. I hope this is picked up again and not dismissed by Jeckie’s status. Would the Legion code bend depending on the cultures they visit? Especially when one of their members comes from such a place?

Gaining some craft points, Levitz is getting two for one. He reminds us of Jeckie’s actions against the code but, in using Nura, foreshadows events to come.

When the Five discover the Legion, who managed to get at least some distance, the heroes plan of attack is an all-out charge. Considering the Five don’t know the extent of Jeckie’s powers this seems a bit odd. Tellus may also have been able to sense the villains’ approach, perhaps being stronger than Mentalla.

It’s a well worked fight, although the energy blasts seem to have less effect that you’d think, only stunning opponents. Mentalla turning against the Empress was a key moment. It not only allows for help to arrive, but leads to the resolution of why she went missing and a Sensor Girl red herring subplot.

It takes the Empress a moment to realise what has happened. Levitz has reminded us throughout, what a strong ruthless villain she is. Killing Mentalla is entirely within her character. In the Silver Age, Mentalla’s ruse might have worked. Perhaps she would have lived to see the reinforcements arrive. Perhaps Polar Boy would have saved her. We’d seen him reduce things to absolute zero. Could he have done that to the eye? It’s tempting to see this as a grittier age of comics. But the Silver Age also gave us characters such as Blockade Boy who also spent a lot of time with Legionnaires (even if shown to us in a more compacted narrative), and who died in an act of heroism.

There’s a touch of Star Wars as Mentalla’s telepathic death cry affects others with such power. If there’s some telepathic connection possible over such distances, its another thing to be explored.

In the end, only Sensor Girl stands against the Four. There’s a direct link from what Levitz told us of her own mission and lesson on Orando to the fate she deals to the Persuader. I wondered how long the Persuader was left like that. If it’s over a prolonged period, could he have come back slightly different?

Way back at the start of the Levitz run, he established Drake and Dawny as the point team for the Legion. It’s fitting that they should get there before anyone else. There’s just a bit of me that would have liked Jeckie’s new abilities to show Empress some “truths” about herself and the Eye. I think this is picked up later on as the Empress looks for her own solutions. But it would have been nice to have started that plot here. Jeckie does get in the final punch to give us that closure between them. That, and the personal parallels between them do make a return, and perhaps that’s more than enough.

Elsewhere, Levitz starts a White With subplot while connecting it to the Sensor Girl/ Saturn Girl sponsor mystery reveal.

It’s a very strong issue on all fronts. LaRocque’s Empress gives terrific looks of triumph and sneering superiority. Nura’s look of determination is another stand out. Pretty much the whole cast look at their best and there’s definite tension in the action scenes.

There’s lots of action too. I get the feeling that the combatants are kept in the battle a little too long for plot purposes, giving me a little disconnect. For example, Brek is blasted by the Eye, but remains conscious to even up the numbers against the Four in the final battle scene.

Overall, the writing is excellent. Long plot threads are resolved, but not at the cost of the momentum in the issue. Strands are combined to make it a very efficient bit of writing too, which is something Levitz has always done well at. There’s also a couple of new subplots thrown in too. So, it’s definitely one of the stronger issues and stories in the volume.
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A strong, symmetrical Lightle cover shows us all the main characters in this pause issue after the Sensor Girl storyline resolved last issue.

The exposition, which didn’t get in the way last issue (points there), that told us of how Jeckie became Sensor girl was really the first half of a plot we open with this issue.

Levitz didn’t get to bring back Supergirl. But he had found a replacement and made it credible. He could now have gone in a number of routes. Sensor Girl hadn’t been with the Legion for long, but feels as though she has paid her penance. Her ancestors agree and she is offered the throne. Levitz could have had her return to her world, as per the opening arc of this volume.

The power upgrade and the striking visuals, not to mention being at the centre of a long running plot probably made Levitz like her too much to depart again. I’d like to think that her interesting perspective also adds something to the team. This issue would certainly show that as being a strength in the book for other members.

If Jeckie hadn’t got the fifth membership spot, it might have gone to Mentalla. That would have meant that she wouldn’t have felt the need to join the Five. I wonder how that plot would have turned out.

Orando has stayed in its parallel dimension. It also seems to have shunned technology, despite having handy supernatural teleportation gates. Part of Jeckie’s guilt stemmed form bringing the world into the UP, and opening it up to a wider galaxy. With Jeckie leaving her world, it seems as though it just reinforces that isolationist viewpoint. Perhaps Jeckie would have been better off showing those closest to her of the illusions in their world. It would have been interesting to see how much of it they would put up with. Levitz does seed the idea of a new person on the throne, but it’s not picked up on again. Orando bounces back to the UP in v4 despite drifting further away here.

After his efforts in recent months, LaRocque gets some of the issue off. Element Lad and Erin return to Trom in a quiet, touching scene drawn by Jan fan Coleen Doran. The pair walk through a street studded with Tsarin grave markers, on their way to pray. Each of the stones would have been crafted by Jan after the death of his people. There’s a lot to like in this scene, aside from the art. It’s good to see Jan live a part of his life, rather than remind everyone of the death of his people. It’s even better to see him use his experiences as part of his faith. He’s only too happy to share this with Erin, who he loves.

Perhaps it’s this increased intimacy that makes Erin think that Jan is proposing to her. As with Orando, Jan’s perception of marriage and faith is different and adds to the depth of his character. Part of Jan’s quietness was down to writers leaving him in the background in case his powers ended a plot in seconds. That’s been turned into a character strength. The relationship with Erin doing the early running has come a long way, and we’ve seen both of them show their strengths. What is built by one creative team can be used differently by others. A rumour about v4 Jan on Trom was then picked up by DnA, along with a few other pointers, for their ‘boot’s version of him.

We get the Legion background information that there weren’t lots of Tromites in the first place, die to the radiation that gave them their powers. Also that Jan didn’t dig the graves of his fallen people. Or at least, not all of them as he was assisted by robots from the UP. On balance, this is probably good to be told as the thought of Jan digging all those graves by himself is a grim one. The use of robots to help, keeps the personal connection just as strong.

The next scene would also have powerful links to future volumes. But it’s also very much part of Levitz’s earlier issues and the tone of this issue. We’ve not seen much of Mordru under Levitz. His powers were taken by Darkseid, and his entombed form appeared in an annual. Levitz might not create many new threats on the Legion’s scale, but he did let each of them follow their own arc. We’ve just finished the transformation of the Fatal Five. We’ve seen the Infinite Man as a Time Trapper upgrade. Here, Mordru is freed once again. Previously, this has been by accident. But it’s a deliberate act of redemption here, echoing Jeckie’s chapter.

Mordru’s drive to use his abilities for power and evil are absorbed by the others on Sorcerer’s World. He’s reduced to an almost childlike state of wonder. He reminds me a little of an alternative Captain Marvel. It’s almost as if it was another persona in command all that time, that he has now been freed from. There are a couple of UK heroes who used sweaters as costumes. They were powerhouses too, and I wonder if there’s a heroic origin for Mordru somewhere out there.

The Sorcerers are proactive in this issue, which is something they have been lacking in previously, and will do again in the future. Their numbers were depleted in the GDS. Mysa is their choice to join them. Like Jeckie, this is a key moment for the character. She could have been written out of the main team here, appearing when required.

Levitz plants the seed of whether they have saved a power, or unleashed it. In v4 both would be true. There was also the potential to use the absorbed power of Modru, to start changes on the world itself. One of the Sorcerer’s notices a change in the tide just after the spell has worked. Mysa refers to being tempted. There was a chance to link Mysa once more to the Curse of the GDS. But Levitz seems more than happy to leave that work in the past, aside from the Validus resolution (linked also to the Five story form recent issues).

As Mysa is given a choice, as Jeckie was, we also see a different cultural outlook, as we did with Jan. Mysa refers to the people of the worlds away from her home as non-believers. Leaving aside the GDS link, and the extremist slants on this phrase, it does show a view from a group of magic wielders in a galaxy run on science. Shawn McManus was drawing the Omega Men at this time. I’m not sure he started the big visual changes in that book, but his work is well worth checking out. With the drive to having a more species diverse Legion, he could have been thought of as a future regular Legion artist.

The penultimate (I had written final but there’s another one) scene reprises the Gim & Year back up stories of earlier issues. Gim tells Year and his folks about the Sensor Girl episode, while we see tension between Marte and Yera. Mainly this is die to Marte no longer being president, and she’s having to adjust to it. Her acceptance of Year was really the resolution to a previous story, so it’s odd to see it crop up. But recurring behaviours are a lot more common outside comics. The two quickly fall back into the accepting relationship we saw previously. I’d like to think that this is part of a plot seed Levitz planted. For some reason, Gim doesn’t trust the new president at all. There’s a natural feeling here, as it’s not his mom and he no longer has any access to what’s going on. But we’ve already seen he’s right to have suspicions. Gim asks his mom to keep her ears open, and I had taken this as a sign she’d pop up in a later, related story. But I don’t think she did. Beyond that, it’s really just a set up for that upcoming story. Year also doesn’t take a role in that story, which could also have been set up here. It would be something picked up in the Johns/Frank Legion stories, where Yera had joined the team.

The last scene is back at Legion HQ. We see the team talk on multi-leveleed scenery that includes lots of holos. It’s a look I wasn’t keen on before, and I think I was the only one. It does allow for lots of plot threads to be added in the one scene. Quislet’s gossiping might have led to an off panel reconciliation between Nura and Thom. It’s a nice touch by LaRocque to show him in his old outfit while she wears a variation of his newer one as her costume.

Brin takes out his frustration at his recent meeting with Ayla on Blok. It’s a shame we don’t see this action resolved as it reinforces a certain Blok stereotype. He’s been shown as far from stupid. He just works on a different scale. Tellus is also put at a disadvantage by Polar Boy. It’s a completely off the cuff fun bit. With his Subs background, I certainly wouldn’t like to think of Brek trying to establish some superiority over the other new members.

Like the Marte/ Gim scene, there’s a link when Saturn Girl comments about enjoying being back at HQ. We’re reminded of Pol’s youth which will be interesting when Ayla takes an interest. Imra makes a comment about children not being the reason Rokk and Lydda haven’t married. Lots of possibilities there. We’re not far away from exploring some of them, as this issue also provides a link to Booster Gold 8-9. Brainy has taken a team back to the 20th century. It’s a n early foray into a Post-Crisis DCU. One where Booster has been seen with a Legion ring. I wonder if anyone thought he was a member of the team? We see Dirk as both active scientist and womaniser in another interaction with Tinya.

Nura’s “some of us never want to change…Never!” panel is a lovely touch and another stand out LaRocque image. Dirk’s casual gear could be tweaked into an improved costume. From Vi to Brin, there are further little moments, and importantly reactions, that show the interaction of a group of people who have been together for a long time.

A final bit of business elects Sensor Girl into the team. She’s been cleared of her “self-defence….sort of” and those assembled seem pleased to see her back. One of them is Star Boy, expelled for less. Placing it would be difficult, as It would ideally have been part of this issue too. An issue already with a Jeckie scene in it. Brek even seems to smile, although he’d take a different role later on in the volume. Of course, Levitz isn’t likely to have given that kind of detail to a final page splash concluding the Sensor Girl arc. It’s a fitting final page to the story. I would have liked to have seen more reaction to letting her back in.

I still don’t know how she knew to turn up on Stratus though…

An issue with not a punch thrown (unless Tinya’s drink was punch) illustrates the Legion, along with the Titans, as stand out books for DC. It’s that depth of storytelling, not to mention very strong art partnerships that made both books such hits. Breather issues like this benefit the Legion even more due to the size of the cast allowing us to catch up in ways that action centred issues wouldn’t allow. With the increased page count, constant back-ups features would be an option, but that would prolong the themes Levitz uses to tie each of these stories together in one package. Lots of interesting and strong art in the issue too, showing the diversity of talent who could draw the book. But there’s a jump from drawing scenes with a small cast to the much larger number LaRocque and his predecessors have to deal with monthly.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Shawn McManus was drawing the Omega Men at this time. I’m not sure he started the big visual changes in that book, but his work is well worth checking out. With the drive to having a more species diverse Legion, he could have been thought of as a future regular Legion artist.


McManus was perfect for the "Pog" issue of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, and he was right for the late-80s/early 90s Dr. Fate. I could see him doing maybe a spinoff mini-series focusing on one (or more) of the alien races in the 31st century, but I didn't like the way he drew humanoids. A little too Dr. Seuss-y, I don't know. Even Mysa looks gooney.

Originally Posted by thoth lad
For some reason, Gim doesn’t trust the new president at all. There’s a natural feeling here, as it’s not his mom and he no longer has any access to what’s going on. But we’ve already seen he’s right to have suspicions. Gim asks his mom to keep her ears open, and I had taken this as a sign she’d pop up in a later, related story. But I don’t think she did.


She did.

And that's all I can say right now without spoiling some great issues to come. smile

Originally Posted by thoth lad
Nura’s “some of us never want to change…Never!” panel is a lovely touch and another stand out LaRocque image.


Agreed 100%.
Originally Posted by Anne Hebistand


She did.

And that's all I can say right now without spoiling some great issues to come.


I was very sure for someone with a missing issue there. smile Well, it was a missing issue, but I've been saving it.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by Anne Hebistand


She did.

And that's all I can say right now without spoiling some great issues to come.


I was very sure for someone with a missing issue there. smile Well, it was a missing issue, but I've been saving it.


Tee hee.
Fickles had a thread about this part of the Baxter run back in 2007. I've not peeked yet, but look forward to the views of it then.
Ooh! Thanks, Thoth. It will definitely be interesting to compare how I viewed the Legion 12 years ago (when, I should note, I was much less knowledgeable about the mythos and the behind-the-scenes stuff) with the way I view it now.
Originally Posted by thoth
It takes the Empress a moment to realise what has happened. Levitz has reminded us throughout, what a strong ruthless villain she is. Killing Mentalla is entirely within her character. In the Silver Age, Mentalla’s ruse might have worked. Perhaps she would have lived to see the reinforcements arrive. Perhaps Polar Boy would have saved her. We’d seen him reduce things to absolute zero. Could he have done that to the eye? It’s tempting to see this as a grittier age of comics.


This reminds me of the parallel to Projectra's story - apart from having/claiming a throne, they each kill someone they consider a traitor. Not quite matched in ruthlessness; Jeckie didn't exact a death sentence for the murder of Mentalla (not that she could at this point).

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n the end, only Sensor Girl stands against the Four. There’s a direct link from what Levitz told us of her own mission and lesson on Orando to the fate she deals to the Persuader. I wondered how long the Persuader was left like that. If it’s over a prolonged period, could he have come back slightly different?


The Persuader's fate was left open - if that was a permanent state for the Persuader, Projectra appointed herself judge and sentencer, if not a type of executioner. If he came back from that, I'd expect if to be as brain-damaged.

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The power upgrade and the striking visuals, not to mention being at the centre of a long running plot probably made Levitz like her too much to depart again. I’d like to think that her interesting perspective also adds something to the team. This issue would certainly show that as being a strength in the book for other members.


Good point. I rather regretted the change from Supergirl to Projectra, but Levitz did make it work well - Projectra perhaps became a far more interesting character than Kara might have been.

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If Jeckie hadn’t got the fifth membership spot, it might have gone to Mentalla. That would have meant that she wouldn’t have felt the need to join the Five. I wonder how that plot would have turned out.


Let the speculation begin! Mentalla was so timid and mousey at her try-out, which in itself might have been the basis for stories. Would she compete with Tellus? Grow to be a viable member? Or make some dreadful newbie mistake and get herself killed as a Legionnaire?

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Mordru’s drive to use his abilities for power and evil are absorbed by the others on Sorcerer’s World. He’s reduced to an almost childlike state of wonder. He reminds me a little of an alternative Captain Marvel. It’s almost as if it was another persona in command all that time, that he has now been freed from. There are a couple of UK heroes who used sweaters as costumes. They were powerhouses too, and I wonder if there’s a heroic origin for Mordru somewhere out there.


Mordru possessed as opposed to Mordru turned rotten from meddling in the black arts - interesting! Maybe the possessing spirit is just hiding.... His top did look like a sweater. The new Mordru.

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The two quickly fall back into the accepting relationship we saw previously. I’d like to think that this is part of a plot seed Levitz planted. For some reason, Gim doesn’t trust the new president at all. There’s a natural feeling here, as it’s not his mom and he no longer has any access to what’s going on. But we’ve already seen he’s right to have suspicions.


Could this link to Yera's spy work as described in Legion Lost II? If Marte knew that Yera was working for whatever it's name was, she would harbour some suspicions as voiced by the comment "Perhaps then we'll find out what you really are". If Fabian Nicieza found some of Levitz's planning notes..... It was curious that Gim was suspicious of Desai. He hasn't been the most insightful one on the team, by far. Could it have been more than Desai is not Mom?


Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Ooh! Thanks, Thoth. It will definitely be interesting to compare how I viewed the Legion 12 years ago (when, I should note, I was much less knowledgeable about the mythos and the behind-the-scenes stuff) with the way I view it now.


Haven't checked it out yet either, but should be good reading. The stories don't change, but we do.
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I finally got a break in RL so I could dive into the wrap-up of the Sensor Girl mystery in one setting. The story holds up exceptionally well, especially when read in one setting. My memory of it at the time is that it was hard to keep some of the clues straight and to keep the momentum going while the story was parsed out over a monthly title. Issue 24 was especially a disappointment; the cover promises the Big Reveal, but this doesn't happen until the end of 25.

Taken in one setting, the story builds nicely like a classic murder mystery. The mystery of Sensor Girl has been bubbling for some time, but now it spills over with the entire Legion consumed with her possible identities. Even Silver Age LSVer Saturn Queen is mentioned as a possibility. (This is a nice bit of foreshadowing, as SG does turn out to be a queen.) Cham realizes that Sensor Girl might be listening to their speculations, and he is correct.

Meanwhile, Wildfire, Colossal Boy, and Polar Boy fly to Montauk Point to investigate the disappearance of new Academy recruit Mentalla. (In a typo, PB says "Sensor Girl's missing," which threw me. This is also the first notice we've had, I think, that Mentalla has joined the Academy, which also threw me.) It's always nice to see Bouncing Boy again, and Myg has adjusted quite nicely to being kidnapped and forced into the role of a student, apparently. We also get a glimpse of some other new students to replace the various ones who have departed recently.

However, the mystery of Sensor Girl takes front stage with even Brainy and Cham coming to near blows. It's a cheap shot for Cham to refer to Brainy creating a Supergirl robot in his sleep, but it makes sense given the tension they are all under (and is one of many nods to the past that actually work in the story).

In a nice little subplot, Quislet discovers Dream Girl is two-timing Star Boy.

Back to the main story: The Emerald Emperess establishes, in cliche fashion, that she isn't a boss who tolerates failure by executing a Khund who hopes to join the new Fatal Five. (Word of Sarya's plan has gotten around.) New Legionniares Polar Boy, Tellus, and Magnetic Kid do some bonding while swimming and discussing the Sensor Girl mystery. Their reactions are quite interesting. Tellus, the newbie, doesn't care who Sensor Girl really is. Polar Boy is still living in the past, wishing he'd gotten in the Legion sooner. Magnetic Kid acts like a bit of a jerk--splashing Tellus and then implying that being the brother of Cosmic Boy gives him some advantage over a "stranger" (e.g,. Tellus), but it's nice to see him develop a personality.

The Mon/Shady scene doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. Though cured of his lead poisoning, Mon can't celebrate--what if Brainy's new cure fails? And Shady still acts like a mother as much as a lover. Someone ought to teach Mon to live in the moment. I don't think Shady has any incentive to do that.

Meanwhile, we meet another new member of the Fatal Five, Flare--who is dynamic, resourceful, and deadly. And black. One of Levitz's strengths as a writer is that he introduces this aspect of the character in a matter-of-fact way. We're already sold on her personality and powers before we see her as she really is. This, I think, is one of the strengths of science fiction in general and of this era of the Legion in particular: race doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter in our present society, but we are constantly bombarded with messages that it does. Sci Fi shows a way to the future, a possibility of all people being equal. Flare, an ambitious killer and mercenary, shows that equality applies to villains as well as heroes.

Back on earth, Element Lad does the leaderly thing by confronting Sensor Girl. To his credit, he doesn't ask her to reveal who she is. He only asks if he can help her with "whatever is making [her] keep [her] identity a secret." This is a diplomatic way of handling things, and one that communicates the upheaval SG's presence has caused in the Legion, yet one which leaves the choice of what to do next in Sensor Girl's court. However, it's probably not what she or the Legion need at this point. Sensor Girl responds by quitting, and Jan is left to wonder if he's unwittingly drove her to join the Fatal Five, after all. Ah, the perils of being leader!

The issue ends with Ultra Boy peering into Sensor Girl's costume--a nice nod, intentionally or not, to his attempt to peer into Sir Prize's costume back in Adv. 350-351. This time, there is no Lyle Norg around to sock Jo in the jaw, so Jo accomplishes his purpose. However, he sees nothing--only an empty suit. What a cliffhanger!

I'll be back soon with comments on the rest of the story and on others' thoughts.
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Much to love in this issue, as well. Things heat up with the Emerald Empress addressing the fifth member of her Fatal Five, whose identity is cleverly kept from the reader. We also meet Caress, who delights in being "fourth."

With Dawnstar taking the lead, the Legionnaires track Sensor Girl to the Shanghalla space cemetery and wonder why she might hide there. In a nice touch, Brainy visits Lyle Norg's memorial and calls him a friend. (They were not shown to be close before Lyle's death; however, this scene foreshadows their rivalry-turned-friendship in the reboot.) Mano jumps out of the memorial and attacks Brainy. The erstwhile F5 member (who looks more grotesque here than ever) announces the only way he can join the Empress's new team is if he kills a Legionnaire, and it looks like he might succeed. However, Brin and Jo make short work of him.

What isn't explained is how Mano knew the Legionnaires would be visiting Shanghalla. The question is raised but not answered. Brainy admitted that he hadn't visited the cemetery "in years." If the others also hadn't spent much time paying respects to their fallen comrades, Mano might have been in for a long wait. I suppose the Empress might have given Mano the means to track Sensor Girl, in the hope that SG might take the Empress up on the offer to join the F5, but that's left to speculation.

Another aspect that goes unexplained is why Dawnstar cannot track SG after the latter left Shanghalla. The explanation that Dawny was "tracking the wrong woman" seems shaky. Projectra and SG are the same woman; why would their tracking signatures be so different? And why would SG switch back to Projectra when she left the asteroid? Did she do so to intentionally throw off Dawnstar? Again, we can only speculate.

What does work, though, is that the clues are all now in place for Brainy to deduce who SG really is. As readers, we'll have to wait a bit longer.

Investigating Mentalla's disappearance, Colossal Boy, Dream Girl, Tellus, and Polar Boy track her to Titan and then to the unspoiled planet Stratus, where they are ambushed by the new F5. Polar Boy rushes into battle (idiot!) and mercifully survives. Dream Girl, who has been treated pretty much as eye candy/baggage this whole trip now gets blasted, but it's a set-up for Sensor Girl to arrive--is she friend or foe? This aspect of the scene is well-played. As readers, we still don't know her intentions.

To heighten the tension, we cut away to Garth and Imra's residence on earth (where we learn they wear their Legion costumes even while playing with their infant!). Jan again plays the diplomat by asking Imra not to break any confidence she's sworn to keep, but we know why he's really here and so does she. Imra doesn't disappoint. She drops a bombshell that SG is already a Legionnaire.

This is the kind of revelation that would have caused me to stop reading the book, like pausing a VCR while watching a murder mystery, and back up to see if I could figure out all the clues. I did this successfully when Brainy was revealed to be behind Omega several years earlier. I wasn't successful this time. Apart from Supergirl, the only other female ex-Legionnaire I could think of was Duo Damsel. Was she (or her doomed third body) Sensor Girl? After all, Luornu wasn't in the academy scene of the previous issue. I completely missed the other obvious ex-female Legionnaire for reasons I'll discuss in a minute.

Back to the story. SG reveals she is indeed on the side of the Legionnaires, and she calls the Empress out. I love the line "You are a thief . . ." which expresses just how much offense SG takes to this royal pretender. The heroes and villains quickly counter each other until the fifth member of the Five reveals herself: Mentalla. Her ability to control others' minds turns the tide against the Legionnaires, and in a searing blast of the Emerald Eye, the Empress strips away Sensor Girl's illusions, revealing her true identity: Projectra.

I've had many decades to reflect on this story and the implications of the Big Reveal, and I am much more impressed by it now than I was then. Projectra had been so successfully and emotionally written out of the series that I did not wish to see her return under any circumstances. It's not that I didn't like the character--I did, though she was never a favorite. However, I was firm believer that stories should have an end, and that characters should sometimes move on. When too many characters are "brought back," it cheapens fiction and especially comics. Yet comics (though I was loathe to admit it) were still mass-media entertainment and subject the laws that state that no change is ever permanent. Thus, Jean Grey comes back to life. The original Fantastic Four lineup always returns. Even Bucky Barnes (decades later) returns as the Winter Soldier. Death and departure of any kind is but an illusion (pun not intended.)

Thus Jeckie returned. Before I could read the explanation in the following issue, I was thoroughly disappointed--and remained so even after I read the explanation. It seemed like a cheap shot.

Reading it now, though, I find it a brilliant story--one that builds off of Jeckie's departure and honors the nature of her power while increasing it many levels. The clues are expertly placed from almost her first appearance as Sensor Girl. (A breakdown of eleven clues is given in the letters page of # 26.) And it was a shocking revelation--so obvious yet so unexpected. In hindsight, this is what most stories should do--leave us with an emotional WTF even as the events of the story make logical sense. (In this case, most of the events do.)
In these issues, did Projectra formally abdicate the throne or was it left open by Levitz? I get the vibe from the Postboot that she was still queen, but maybe Meltzer just confused some of his canon?
Like a lot of Legion history, it's complicated. She abdicated, as far as I could read into what she said to her advisors, and left Orando in its new dimension. But she somehow (?) returned before the 5YL series began, took up the throne again, and returned Orando to the Legion's universe. So either it wasn't a true abdication under Orandan law, or she was re-installed as queen. However, since 5YL never happened in the retroboot, none of this may be valid - or Meltzer just assumed she returned to the throne at some unacknowledged point.

Anyone have further/clearer details on this?
It may be a matter of interpretation, but in No. 26 she says only that she and the Great Council agreed on a "journey of penance"--nothing about an abdication. To me, it read like a temporary exile.
It was really left open-ended, wasn't it? In #27, she tells them to give the throne to whomever they please, but wonders if they'll actually do that. So, true, no clear abdication - which is a pretty convenient open door for any future writer.

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Now that I've read 27 in context, I see you're right. She does say to give the throne to someone else and indicates she is not coming back.
Steve Lightle has passed away. The great majority of his Legion issues are discussed in this thread.

Let's always remember his industriousness and his perfectionism, and how they shined through in every line.

Rest in peace, Steve.
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