Haven't gotten it yet just want to make the thread cause I know we'll be talking about this one.

There are rules about making these types of threads without a preview or before you buy the book, ss.

I've read it. Its heaven in paperback. There is only one problem and that is that Matt Camp and Marc Rudy split the art but where it splits is natural and both have good if different styles. Lots of silver age references, heavy peter david influence running though and Supergirl channels the Tenth Doctor and Gandalf. Perfection.

It seemed to be trying to reconcile the silver age Supergirl's adventures in the Legion with the current Supergirl's history. Like said above... lots of references, but it just seemed to me to leave more questions than answers. It did have the best use of Jimmy-bots ever to see print though. And for the original poster: Yes, kind-of-sort-of.

I went to two comic shops on my way back from work tonight and both of them are sold out for crying out loud! Is this book that hot??
Now I have to drive all over town tomorrow trying to find a CBS that has a copy for me ... maybe I should call ahead, just in case!

I couldn't believe they actually referenced Ms. Mesmer. Anyone remember her?

I do....as part of "The Gang" alongside Bulldozer, the Brains, and Kong...IIRC, somehow.

last time she appeared was in Bulleteer #2...part of Seven Soldiers mini-within-mini-series.

Uh-huh.

I first learned about her from a cameo in Seven Soldiers: Bulleteer. She was on a panel at a superhero convention next to Bette Kane.

Repost of my message from the DC boards (edited to include the 30th century thing in the text):
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This issue had some serious problems.

Satan Girl not being an evil Supergirl was already mentioned, and I don't see why they couldn't still have done that. It would be black Kryptonite instead of red, but we've certainly seen it before and there's no reason why we couldn't see it again.

But one of the bigger problems with this issue is the idea that Brainy keeps putting people in danger by his screwups. This is an exaggeration, like many, which results from fans remembering one or two things and having them take on far more significance than they really have. Yeah, he made Computo. That was one incident. The idea that he routinely messes up that badly is not true.

The issue seemed to pay lip service to Supergirl's tenure with the Threeboot, yet failed to mention it when it probably should have been brought up. Like, she did meet the Threeboot B5.

The issue also failed to show a lot of things fans would expect from such an issue. Supergirl joins the Legion off-screen. The scene where Brainiac 5 says "I'm sorry I'm descended from an evil villain" is not present, even though 1) Supergirl has met Brainiac very recently and 2) for the first time in decades, Brainiac is organic and we actually can have that scene again. The question of whether this version of Supergirl actually died in this continuity was not answered (although the characters clearly think she did and the museum shows Kara in her current costume--unlike DCU Legacies, which shows the 80's Kara costume.)

The issue also had a couple of bits of Legion continuity that are questionable even considering that the old stories aren't going to be exactly followed. Kara calling Imra "Emm". Kara getting a flight ring--it seems that only Paul Levitz remembers that the Legion once had flight belts. Kara joining after Kal (I suppose in theory the writer could know about the controversy and just be taking a different stand). And the Threeboot doesn't take place in the 30th Century.

My store was sold out too. Didn't know Supergirl was that hot.

I'm not sure all that was needed after her interaction with the threeboot though. Why does she have to go through 'Brainy is evil' like she did under Waid's pen? Especially when she has seen and been helped by this Brainy before, a Brainy that has the Superman seal of approval.

I don't think this issue did anything Levitz' comment about blown up labs didn't. Brainy does blow things up, things often go wrong. Look at him unleashing the infinite man as another example, its not just Computo. Computo was just the first. And of course Levitz used flight rings too early in Adventure Comics too.

I think the reason we didn't get evil Supergirl was because evil Supergirl is showing up in JLA next month. Nobody ever said that this retroboot was a return to the silver age continuity line for line. Lots was booted out in the process of bringing it back. This is just another one of those alterations to fit the new timeline.

Just because a statue shows Kara in an early costume doesn't mean she doesn't change costume. 'Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?' showed a statue of her post death in the hotpants attire. Its just a representation. Gates goes to great lengths to not tell us how she dies but makes it so that it could be Crisis. It seems to me he was building to a storyline where Brainy tries to stop it happening, we've seen him contemplate this before remember?

We still have one significant issue this should really have solved though. When was B5 initiated into the Legion?

loved this issue...love all the silver age references i caught in it. As well as showing supergirl actually having some super-girlfriends down time...even though Tinya wasn't in that panel with Imra and Lu. Totally caught the Crimson refernce...And I understand why they haven't shown us how she dies yet (they haven't thought of it and don't want to set how's in stone). I still don't think she's going to die in the way "history" says she does. After all they're letting us know this way before it happens...so i say its the ulitmate Crimson...i mean red herring. And it is interesting that this time around..it appears Brainy didn't get into time travel to save her.But I hope he saves her neithertheless...maybe at that point she can come live in the 31st century like Paul had intended with her as Sensor Girl (no not saying she's going to be Sensor Girl just the intent of bringing her to the 31st century holds up).

Brainy also created Omega.

Brainiac 5 unleashed the Infinite Man when that was necessary, so it doesn't count as endangering people by a screwup.

And creating Omega was done when he was insane, and he was insane because of Stargrave (something fans also often forget, thinking he just naturally went insane; he didn't.)

That's not the point. I'm not complaining about a costume discrepancy, I'm using the costume as evidence as to which Kara it is. If they use the modern costume, that means they think it's the modern Kara (regardless of whether she actually wears it when she dies).

I haven't been able to get it yet. Can somebody please tell me who Satan Girl is? Is it Dolores or is it a red kryptonite version of Supergirl?

It LOOKS like Dolores but they claim she's some ancient goddess of love and death.

Well, a thousand years has passed, it could very well be Dolores.

When mentally attacked Brainy says 'Don't say those things to me...sacrifice my life...to save yours...please remain and be my girl'

So 'Sacrifice my life... to save yours' is from his first appearance of course where he gives her his force shield belt to ward off a coming kryptonite asteroid. (recreated in this issue) The full line is 'I'd gladly sacrifice my life to save yours any time!'

'please remain and be my girl' is from the same story, pretty obviously. Its the one people remember from that issue if they remember it at all.

I can't place 'don't say those things to me' though. Also, do we think there is more to this than dropping in past quotes? After all those stories are not in continuity any more and it was the result of a mental attack. LO3TW also suggests B5 remembers things that other people don't. These memories could be locked away, like Saturn Girl says at the end a similar event could trigger the mind. This is a similar event, plus Saturn Girl's intervention. Things that make you go hmmm...

Umm, who is Dolores?

Dolores Pratchet was the post-crisis Satan Girl who showed up during PAD's Supergirl series. She was an enemy of the previous Earth Angel of Fire.

I finally got around to reading this book and it was ok for me. Just ok. Nothing popped like I was hoping it would have.
It certainly didn't live up to the hype for me as a long-time fan waiting to see something new added to the continuity.
I guess I have to hope that the new readers aren't too messed up now about what the Legion means to Supergirl after reading this. Maybe new readers will now go back and buy some older Legion books featuring Kara's adventures with them, just so they can get caught up with all the history.

I really loved it! I love that Kara as a member of the Legion has been re-established and for the first time in ages, I enjoyed whole-heartedly a Supergirl / Legion interaction. She felt like she belonged again.

Unlike Ken, I'm glad they didn't show scenes from the original story. They've already been told and any re-telling IMO would just feel 'not as good'. Rather, they skipped forward a little bit. I think the continuity makes pretty good sense at this point with only the most minor inconsistencies.

What finally did it for me was at the end when she kissed Brainy. I never considered this relationship one of my favorites but when I saw it, I felt like at long last...finally...something important had been restored. Supergirl is the one true love of Brainiac 5 and I guess I either forgot or convinced myself otherwise. Here it just felt right again.

Hopefully especially since Paul is writing the legion again...somehow what went wrong in the Original Earth 1 history will be corrected in this post-crisis/infinte crisis timeline...and Kara will be saved from her "fate" and she and Brainy will be a couple...no running away to the past like she did at the end of the Ontir story never to see the legion again...well except about the Monitor's satalite but that doesnt count!!!

This was a really, really fun comic.

I got it today!!

So what did you think lash?

Haven't read it yet but I intend to dive into my short-stack today! The annual is at the top of the stack!

I read it last night!

My verdict:

I wish this writer and either one of the artists had been handling the early days of the LSH in recent ADVENTURE issues.

i have to say after reading the adventure comic with legion going to smallvile and really enjoying it, i have to this issue while not bad, i dont find it that great

looking threw it there was six pages i felt what the hell? they just let kara into the Superman museum to learn her fate? the fact that brainiac 5 got into a fight with lighting lad made sad, the fight was bad and honestly brainiac and Kara lacked any kind of chemistry.

would have been nice to see him fallow her around like a love sick puppy and have the legion say things like 'what are you doing out of the lab?' instead of the very creepy watching her form distance with a telescope

I finally read it today and enjoyed it a lot. Funny, I thought from bits I'd heard that they were going to actually full-on reveal Supergirl's fate here, but they obviously didn't. It was a sweet story, though, and worked better than any of the Superboy/Legion stories have thus far in Adventure. As Kara pointed out herself, it had a very innocent feel to it that is appropriate to the Silver Age era it pays homage to.

More and more, this new Kara compares favorably to the version most of us grew up with and fondly remember. I hope the Legion appears more in Kara's title after Sterling Gates leaves and Nick Spencer takes over. I want to see that date between Brainy and Kara, and I want to see Kara have an adventure with the LSH, including a meeting with the younger version of her super-cousin.

I finally got this issue today. Props to my Comic Book Store owner for giving it to me for free after failing to pull it as requested, and then botching the re-order.

I didn't love it, but didn't hate it. It was an awkward effort to shoehorn the current Supergirl in the latest version of the Legion's past. No major gaffes and a few cute character moments, but nothing spectacular. Oh well, at least we have our explanation and can now move on.

agreed. I might have liked it a few millimeters more than you. older Brainy's pairing with Kara during LSoNK was better, and (for me) it set the bar higher for this story. The great cover also added to anticipation that didn't quite pay off.

I did really like the part about her learning her own future, though. It's been so often danced around, it was nice to see some breaking of time-travel ethos (even if, by necessity, wallpapered over later).

i enjoyed this much more than i expected. i enjoyed the artist on the first half of the issue. he really captured the young Legion and charm of the young Brainy. i had fun, i was nostalgic. however, i'm more confused than ever regarding continuity. DID this Supergirl and our Brainy have a romance or just a love/hate flirtation? why did she not remember Brainiac 5 at all in the Last Fight for Krypton issues? because of Saturn Girl's memory manipulations? so, they had a romance but she doesn't remember any of it? isn't that kind of creepy?
help me make sense of this please.
the second artist was fine but did not fit this title at all. hello, editor? he could not have been more different from the first artist. why was he chosen?
and, why was Phantom girl a skeleton? i thought that Satan Girl possessed people, npt altered their appearance.
the Jimmy robots were fun.

She didn't remember any romance because for her it hadn't (and maybe still hasn't?) happened yet. Her first meeting with this version of the Legion (from her perspective) was durring "The Last Stand of New Krypton", but for the Legion (from their perspective) their first meeting happened durring the Supergirl Annual. Time travel sucks for keeping track of linear continuity.

I loved this Ish, I LOVE Supergirl appearing with the Legion, I LOVE Supergirl and B5 together (as frenemies, lovers or otherwise). I'm not TOO concerned about the continuity stuff, because having Supergirl interact with the Legion is worth the dissonance caused to my AR mind.

There was ALWAYS a problem with the death of the original Supergirl vis a vis the Legion. Namely, they always should have known she would die (Levitz, bless him, did his best to shoehorn that in). This time, it's established from the outset that this is the case, that Supergirl will die as Supergirl, in her youth, saving the universe. But of course, who knows what that REALLY means? And since Gates is leaving Supergirl, who knows if this story will be pursued or not?

We are seeing this relationship from Kara's perspective. She first meets Brainiac 5 during last stand. This is a Brainiac 5 who has already loved and lost her. The love of his life is dead and he emos accordingly. He wonders in Last stand whether she had already met him and forgotten due to Saturn Girl's mind alterations. This is not the case.

In the annual we see Brainy meets Kara for the first time, her second time meeting him. He vows he will save her, but as we know from the first story he didn't or hasn't attempted yet. We see Saturn Girl impose these mind blocks but they aren't complete, she kisses Brainy after Saturn Girl's mojo. She recognises the Legionnaires, she knows her relationships with them but some things are fuzzy. Like Superman's.

We see Kara redo many of her early legion stories in the annual suggesting that all her legion stories are intact in some form except the very first one where she meets the 'decendants' of the legionnaires.

As for her 'Death'. I hope DC doesn't rush into it with some hack writer. It needs some thought. We need to see why Brainy would do it beyond a kiss. Whether they follow through on this in Supergirl after Gates is unknown but if Levitz was creative with Brainy he could show it in Legion.

The second artist was hired to show the dark, apocolyptic future that Matt Camp's lines couldn't. Camp really does 50's sci fi well though and his youthful characters are perfect for Legion. Its odd though, going from Red Robin and seeing this super-buff 17 year old and then seeing a 17 year old Brainy look his age. Comic-wise Brainy looks 12.

thanks for the thoughtful clarification, Para!
i still find it an odd choice. Supergirl will always be 5-10 years younger than Brainy and the rest of the LSH. The Supergirl/Brainiac 5 romance is fresh for her but a decade ago for him. it would be a nice change of pace to see that although she's into him that he has moved on. it's embarrassing to see that kind of stagnate fixation/obsession in real life.

i thought Matt Camp did a great job on that first page of Satan Girl coming through the portal.

Brainiac 5 hasn't seen Kara in a while. Remember the legion broke contact with Superman 'after crisis' when Earth Man started up. Brainy will have not seen Kara since then either and Last Stand would be the first time he's met her when he's significantly older. We've basically seen the important parts from Brainy's point of view already pre-crisis. Kara is still living those pre-crisis events out.

What is interesting is that for Brainy to be acting this way he must be older than he was when Kara died in his timeline. We already have a death deadline for her because of this and personally I'd place it around crisis time for Brainy. We see him mourn after crisis for an event that has always happened, it only makes sense if that is when he realises he'll never see her again because she always turns up in line with his age. They'll never be the same age again. We could keep that in this new continuity if believe he is watching how new Kara dies now rather than crisis.

Now Kara knows more I really want to see her interact with older Brainy again. What would that be like especially if he strikes something up with Harmonia. And who knows, the well respected, invulnerable, seemingly naltorian ( maybe she knows the future because she was told it in the past), older than she looks Harmonia Li could be Linda Lang/Lee in hiding. Maybe Brainy does save her but she hides to protect the timeline and he whammies the memory out of himself. She could be anything, I have no clue

I finally managed to read this all the way through yesterday and enjoyed it a lot. I never could stand Kara's belly-baring outfit, but I resisted the urge to go through the whole book with a bright blue marker to fill it in.



Overall, it feels like a much better attempt to "sew up" the Silver Age and the "Retroboot" legion gaps than most of what we've seen in Adventure. The more relaxed, fluid art styles were definitely a big help in that regard.

I second Superboy-Supergirl in loving the all-too-brief friendshippy interactions between Irma, Lu, and Kara. If anything, I'd get way more enthused about a story like that than I would about yet another Brainy/Kara tale-- even though I still like the pairing.

At first, I kept thinking that when Kara recalled meeting the other Legion that she was literally saying that she's the same Kara as the one in Threeboot. But that can't be right, can it?

yes, this is the same Kara from the WaK threeboot. that version is actually this Earth's future. or so Mark Waid always said.
UGH.
just gimme new stories that give me a reason to love this version of the LSH.

That's how it was originally intended, but Johns amended Threeboot as the future of Earth Prime instead. Kinda makes sense with Threeboot's use of "old" comic books several times in their stories.

Para Dox has a great point that whenever Kara visited the future, she would age basically parallel to Brainy aging; now that in Brainy's time Kara may actually have died for him, she's starting to appear and they aren't the same age. So it kind of makes it sting all the bit more for him.

So far all indications point towards Supergirl having all the adventures with the Legion she traditionally had and then dying sometime around Crisis (for the Legion's timeline).

(BTW, Ultimately, I think the death of Kara they speak about will one day revealed to be a fake-out a la Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow with Kal-El).

I'm quite glad that this Supergirl *is* the Silver Age Supergirl in the same way that this Superman *is* the Silver Age Superman (and the retroboot Legion *is* the Silver Age Legion). I think they all parallel each other in that respect.

I hope you're right about Kara's death being faked, CK. It makes no sense to me to reintroduce Kara, then go through all the trouble of reconnecting her to the LSH, etc. only to pre-doom her to an early death all over again. Who does she think she is, Karate Kid?