GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/27/03 04:30 AM
Tinya was important to L.E.G.I.O.N. lore (as far as I read L.E.G.I.O.N.). Did this get a post-boot explanation?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/27/03 04:43 AM
Here's the history of L.E.G.I.O.N., post-boot with what happened to Phase, from the Legion Helpfile:
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L. E. G. I. O. N.
The group known as the Liscensed Extra-Governmental Interstellar Operatives Network (L. E. G. I. O. N. for short) was founded by Vril Dox II, an ancestor of Brainiac 5 and five others, including a Durlan, the female Dryad, Strata, the Talokian heroine Lyrissa Mallor when they broke free of the Dominion-run Starlag in which they were held hostage to their planets' non-interference with their late twentieth-century invasion of Earth (Invasion! # 1-2). Dox maneuvered them into liberating his homeworld Colu from the Computer Tyrants that ran it, and then, with the hired help of the bounty hunter Lobo, they overthrew the drug lords who ran Cairn, home planet of fellow Starlag inmate Garryn Bek (L. E. G. I. O. N. '89 # 1-6). Due to Dox's machinations, they stayed together, and L. E. G. I. O. N. became known as a force for justice throughout the galaxy. Shortly after the group was founded, the Durlan disappeared, and was replaced by a mysterious woman who had lost her memory and became known as Phase (L. E. G. I. O. N. '89 # 9). The group also included, in later times, another Talokian heroine, Lyrissa Mallor's daughter Lydea (L. E. G. I. O. N. '91 # 27) and Lar Gand before he began his super-hero career as Valor (L. E. G. I. O. N. '90 # 16-19, Annual # 1).
While Valor did not stay with the group for long, he maintained somewhat cordial relations with them. Not long after he began his Valor career, he came to Dox for some anti-lead serum and repairs to his ship, and in the days that it took he returned the favor by participating in a mission with Dox, Stealth, Phase and Captain Comet to the planet Poriaxus, where Dox invested his money with the leaders of a culture in which they would be put to death if the money were to be lost (Valor # 4, Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 119).
Control of the group was later usurped by Lyrl Dox, son of Vril and Stealth and also an ancestor of Brainiac 5, but Vril managed to stop him from taking mental control of the galaxy,and the group's reins were handed over to the much more altruistic Captain Comet, who summoned Vril back into action when the Legion of Super-Heroes accidentally freed Brainiac (Showcase '96 # 11), who Vril, despite the protests of Stealth (who then had to babysit Lyrl), managed to defeat with the help of L. E. G. I. O. N. Officer Taptree and the Legion of Super-Heroes (Showcase '96 # 12). During that incident, Phase and Strata noticed the disappearance of Phase's touchstone, which she had once left on Earth and which found its way into the possession of the villainous Poltergeist (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 87), something Phase realized after she and Captain Comet engineered a futile search of Cairn to find it. Once she realized this, Phase took off for Earth to search for it there (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 94), escorted by Officer Taptree (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 96). When Phase and Taptree got to Earth, they tried to steal the touchstone from its then-current user, Tiffany Cross, but Phase ended up disappearing into it instead (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 97). Alarmed by this, Tiffany and Taptree called the honeymooning Ultra Boy and Apparition to tell them of the situation, whereupon Phase's and Apparition's touchstones merged, and Apparition disappeared into the touchstone as well. Inside the Touchstone, Apparition and Phase met one another and have discovered that there is some link between them, and that Phase and Apparition are, in some way, two parts of a larger whole. Phase and Apparition, merged into one being, emerged from the touchstone during the Legion's fight against C. O. M. P. U. T. O., and the individual has returned to the thirtieth century with the Legion, leaving Taptree to return to the force alone (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 98-100). Phase and Apparition later discovered that they are two of three parts of the same person, their father having been a Carggite who could split into three people (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 100, 102).
The group known as the Liscensed Extra-Governmental Interstellar Operatives Network (L. E. G. I. O. N. for short) was founded by Vril Dox II, an ancestor of Brainiac 5 and five others, including a Durlan, the female Dryad, Strata, the Talokian heroine Lyrissa Mallor when they broke free of the Dominion-run Starlag in which they were held hostage to their planets' non-interference with their late twentieth-century invasion of Earth (Invasion! # 1-2). Dox maneuvered them into liberating his homeworld Colu from the Computer Tyrants that ran it, and then, with the hired help of the bounty hunter Lobo, they overthrew the drug lords who ran Cairn, home planet of fellow Starlag inmate Garryn Bek (L. E. G. I. O. N. '89 # 1-6). Due to Dox's machinations, they stayed together, and L. E. G. I. O. N. became known as a force for justice throughout the galaxy. Shortly after the group was founded, the Durlan disappeared, and was replaced by a mysterious woman who had lost her memory and became known as Phase (L. E. G. I. O. N. '89 # 9). The group also included, in later times, another Talokian heroine, Lyrissa Mallor's daughter Lydea (L. E. G. I. O. N. '91 # 27) and Lar Gand before he began his super-hero career as Valor (L. E. G. I. O. N. '90 # 16-19, Annual # 1).
While Valor did not stay with the group for long, he maintained somewhat cordial relations with them. Not long after he began his Valor career, he came to Dox for some anti-lead serum and repairs to his ship, and in the days that it took he returned the favor by participating in a mission with Dox, Stealth, Phase and Captain Comet to the planet Poriaxus, where Dox invested his money with the leaders of a culture in which they would be put to death if the money were to be lost (Valor # 4, Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 119).
Control of the group was later usurped by Lyrl Dox, son of Vril and Stealth and also an ancestor of Brainiac 5, but Vril managed to stop him from taking mental control of the galaxy,and the group's reins were handed over to the much more altruistic Captain Comet, who summoned Vril back into action when the Legion of Super-Heroes accidentally freed Brainiac (Showcase '96 # 11), who Vril, despite the protests of Stealth (who then had to babysit Lyrl), managed to defeat with the help of L. E. G. I. O. N. Officer Taptree and the Legion of Super-Heroes (Showcase '96 # 12). During that incident, Phase and Strata noticed the disappearance of Phase's touchstone, which she had once left on Earth and which found its way into the possession of the villainous Poltergeist (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 87), something Phase realized after she and Captain Comet engineered a futile search of Cairn to find it. Once she realized this, Phase took off for Earth to search for it there (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 94), escorted by Officer Taptree (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 96). When Phase and Taptree got to Earth, they tried to steal the touchstone from its then-current user, Tiffany Cross, but Phase ended up disappearing into it instead (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 97). Alarmed by this, Tiffany and Taptree called the honeymooning Ultra Boy and Apparition to tell them of the situation, whereupon Phase's and Apparition's touchstones merged, and Apparition disappeared into the touchstone as well. Inside the Touchstone, Apparition and Phase met one another and have discovered that there is some link between them, and that Phase and Apparition are, in some way, two parts of a larger whole. Phase and Apparition, merged into one being, emerged from the touchstone during the Legion's fight against C. O. M. P. U. T. O., and the individual has returned to the thirtieth century with the Legion, leaving Taptree to return to the force alone (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 98-100). Phase and Apparition later discovered that they are two of three parts of the same person, their father having been a Carggite who could split into three people (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 100, 102).
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/27/03 05:06 AM
Slightly off-topic:
Has it ever been established in a DC comic that Lyrl is one of Querl's ancestors? Vril Dox, yes, but was/is/willbe Lyrl Vril's only child?
Has it ever been established in a DC comic that Lyrl is one of Querl's ancestors? Vril Dox, yes, but was/is/willbe Lyrl Vril's only child?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/27/03 06:03 AM
I think so. If Vril is Brainiac 2, that makes Lyrl Brainiac 3 and of course Brainy's mother Brainiac 4. Unless one of these 3 really isn't a Brainiac.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 03:54 AM
Thanks for the info LL.
Is there a third Phase/Apparition?
And (to quote a classic L.E.G.I.O.N. story), "Whatever happened to the Durlan?"
Does the "Legion Helpfile" answer all of this? If so, where can I get a copy?
Is there a third Phase/Apparition?
And (to quote a classic L.E.G.I.O.N. story), "Whatever happened to the Durlan?"
Does the "Legion Helpfile" answer all of this? If so, where can I get a copy?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 04:16 AM
Thanks again LL!
What's the etiquette on this? Since this was a purely factual question, should I delete this thread to free up space?
What's the etiquette on this? Since this was a purely factual question, should I delete this thread to free up space?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 04:20 AM
Nope. We'd actually prefer it if you didn't delete unless absolutely necessary.
You never know. Someone else may have the same or similar question downt the road and we can just point them here for the answer.
You never know. Someone else may have the same or similar question downt the road and we can just point them here for the answer.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Kid Prime:
I think so. If Vril is Brainiac 2, that makes Lyrl Brainiac 3 and of course Brainy's mother Brainiac 4. Unless one of these 3 really isn't a Brainiac.
I think so. If Vril is Brainiac 2, that makes Lyrl Brainiac 3 and of course Brainy's mother Brainiac 4. Unless one of these 3 really isn't a Brainiac.
"When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME!"
--possibly the most intelligent thing ever said on The Benny Hill Show
Even further off-topic:
Does this board update all of one's old posts whenever one changes one's signature quote?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 10:19 AM
B.R.M. - when you change something in your profile - avatar, signature - it changes in all your posts, not just the current one.
On the Brainiac line - we ssume that's the lineage because we haven't been given any other information. No mention that there was a Dox who wasn't a Brainiac somewhere along the line.
However, that makes for some strange timelines. If Lyrl was born in the 1990s (I forget the "official" date) and he's Brainiac 3, and we only had Brainiac 4 before Querl Dox was born - both B3 and B5 would have to have had exceedingly long lifespans. Supposedly Coluans live for 300 years or so - but either Lyrl lived to be about 950 or Brainy's mom was about 500 when he was born.
They were/are a strange family - but really!! I'm inclined to think there's some (unwritten) Dox family history we have yet to learn.
On the Brainiac line - we ssume that's the lineage because we haven't been given any other information. No mention that there was a Dox who wasn't a Brainiac somewhere along the line.
However, that makes for some strange timelines. If Lyrl was born in the 1990s (I forget the "official" date) and he's Brainiac 3, and we only had Brainiac 4 before Querl Dox was born - both B3 and B5 would have to have had exceedingly long lifespans. Supposedly Coluans live for 300 years or so - but either Lyrl lived to be about 950 or Brainy's mom was about 500 when he was born.
They were/are a strange family - but really!! I'm inclined to think there's some (unwritten) Dox family history we have yet to learn.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 12:01 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought Brainiac was a title, given to whoever had a twelth level intelligence or something like that. I know it was that way preboot, at least.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by queer legion:
Thanks for the info LL.
Is there a third Phase/Apparition?
Thanks for the info LL.
Is there a third Phase/Apparition?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
Her name is Captain Frake. She is on Apokolypse [/b]
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Originally posted by queer legion:
[b] Thanks for the info LL.
Is there a third Phase/Apparition?
[b] Thanks for the info LL.
Is there a third Phase/Apparition?
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
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captain Frake appeared during the Superboy/Ultra Boy/reflecto saga inthe early '80s. Sometime around LSH (v.2) 270-something to 280-something.
This was a rather schitzophenic storyline, oweing perhaps to the rapid turnover of writers at the time. IIRC, the plotline was started by Gerry Conway, picked up by Mike Barr who served as scribe for about a week, continued with Roy Thomas, who lasted about a week and a half longer than that, and then concluded by the triumphantly returning Paul Levitz.
At one point Jo is believed dead, but is really lost in space with amnesia. He ends up joing the space-pirate crew of Cpatain Frake, who bears a stricking resemblance to Tinya.
More might have been done w/ Frake, but the change of writers changed the plot from lost Jo to found Jo as Superboy posing as Reflecto.
Frake was never seen again
I have always held out that a rebooted Captain Frake would make a perfect identity for Tinya's missing 3rd body.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 09:18 PM
I believe the third Tinya was seen as a hat-check girl at a casino on Ventura (home of the Luck Lords, who dear old daddy sold her out to)!
Shades of a bad soap opera! That looks pathetic and strangely insane in print...
Shades of a bad soap opera! That looks pathetic and strangely insane in print...
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 09:24 PM
If ever a story line needed to turn out to have been a bad dream, it's the Tinya-is-a-Carggite story. I pray it just gets swept under the carpet; if DnA don't bring it up, I'll pretend it never happened.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/28/03 09:35 PM
Just thinking... if third Tinya is dating someone, is she cheating on her husband Jo (whom she has never met)? She's a mother, but never been pregnant.
I agree the Carggite thing was a bit of poor storytelling to try and spackle over "killing" Tinya off during the White Triangle story. She should've stayed a ghost, as it would have been better, plotwise.
I agree the Carggite thing was a bit of poor storytelling to try and spackle over "killing" Tinya off during the White Triangle story. She should've stayed a ghost, as it would have been better, plotwise.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/30/03 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Omni Craig:
She should've stayed a ghost, as it would have been better, plotwise.
She should've stayed a ghost, as it would have been better, plotwise.
Re: GENERIC DULL QUESTION: Was there a post-boot reason for Phase in L.E.G.I.O.N.? - 08/30/03 07:50 AM
While I love Tinya and Jo as a couple (particularly preboot), I think the fact that "she's a Carggite" is the reason she still has a body, and the fact that they have a prematurely aging baby and are married teens is too much comic book/soap opera mentality. Their post-boot relationship is proof why TomTom never should have been at the helm of this series (and LotR preboot is another perfect example). I know the baby is a DnA plot, but they were handed the other criteria and had to come up with something to do with these married kids...
I hope you'll all sign my petition to name the damn baby! This whole "Cub" thing is getting annoying. Its a cute nickname coming from Wolfpack member Brin, but not as a name.
I hope you'll all sign my petition to name the damn baby! This whole "Cub" thing is getting annoying. Its a cute nickname coming from Wolfpack member Brin, but not as a name.