Legion World
There certainly seems to be a lot of instances of Legion references in the DCU lately. I know there are references scattered throughout this thread but since it seems like this is just going to be happening more and more I thought I'd start this thread as a catchall for those little Legion-verse things that pop up in regular DCU books.
Most notable recent Legion "incursions":
-- Buddy Baker tapping into the powers of a Sun-Eater.
-- Infectious Lass in "Tales of the Unexpected"
-- That Durlan agent (I think named Daggle?) in "Green Lantern Corps"
-- Venegar in "Brave & the Bold"
-- in "Green Lantern" #18, there's a black-haired, blue skinned woman in a black cape and bikini named Lyssa Drak of Talok IV. She's part of the Sinestro Corps and is the keeper of the "Book of Parallax"
-- and of course the JSA.

I'm sure I missed a few. Some of these occurances have discussions in the Gym'll's forum, but I also wanted the little appearances to get noted somewhere as well.
Posted By: Dain Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/29/07 02:53 AM
This is a great idea Drake. What with the Legion appearing in more and more comics, we need a checklist of all appearances!
-- Oh, and of course we know the Fatal Five are coming to "Brave & the Bold" next month
-- Aside from Venegar, this month's "B&B" also mentions interlac (no surprise "B&B" has Legion references with Waid as writer...)
In the Action comics annual. There is mention of Mon-el and a set of statues of the legion in the fortress of solitude. Plus in Justice League of America #1 Batman refers to Superman's Legion flight ring.
52 had also featured the Eye of Ekron a few weeks back. It also had the 21st century Persuader and his axe appear briefly.

To date, with come-on's as well as published issues, we know of Star Boy, Dream Girl and Dawnstar appearing in JSA.
Also the upcoming Action Comics #850 promises some time travelling goodness, that should have the Legion impacting the present day DCU in some way.

Here's the solicitation:

"Written by Kurt Busiek; Art and cover by Renato Guedes

In this extra-sized special issue, writer Kurt Busiek reunites with artist Renato Guedes to visit the 31st Century and the Girl of Steel! Supergirl's looking for a way to back from the future and to realize why Superman doesn't want her to wear the "S" shield, but both Superman and Supergirl in for a big surprise when they see what the past has in store! With time-viewing sneak peaks at the upcoming year's events!

Superman | 48pg. | Color | $ 3.99 US

On Sale May 30, 2007 '
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-- Oh, and of course we know the Fatal Five are coming to "Brave & the Bold" next month
-- Aside from Venegar, this month's "B&B" also mentions interlac (no surprise "B&B" has Legion references with Waid as writer...)
They also reference a "planetary chance" machine... which was also the name of a device the Adventure era Legion used. smile
Buddy has also adapted the power of the Sun Eaters in 52, another Legion tie-in, since they were first used in Legion.
In the most recent issue of Action comics Superman faces off against a sun eater (it's a flashback tale told by Pa Kent who was there at the time) and he tells Pa, I've faced them before, but then I had help. Or something along those lines, I didn't buy the issue, just read it in the shop.
Sun Girl (Deborah Morgna) from Teen Titans #42-45.
Sun Girl? Never heard of her. How did she get her powers? Any pics available?
Sun Girl .
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-- Buddy Baker tapping into the powers of a Sun-Eater.
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-- Infectious Lass in "Tales of the Unexpected"
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-- Venegar in "Brave & the Bold"
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-- in "Green Lantern" #18, there's a black-haired, blue skinned woman in a black cape and bikini named Lyssa Drak of Talok IV. She's part of the Sinestro Corps and is the keeper of the "Book of Parallax"
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-- and of course the JSA.
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In the most recent issue of Action comics Superman faces off against a sun eater (it's a flashback tale told by Pa Kent who was there at the time) and he tells Pa, I've faced them before, but then I had help. Or something along those lines, I didn't buy the issue, just read it in the shop.
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Who is the speedster?


And don't forget the GL Corpse storyline with the Durlan Named Daggle featured the Dominators as the bad guys.
Oh and the article in wizard this month basically explained that the JLA/JSA crossover is really a JLA/JSA/Legion crossover with no pussyfooting around. I'm just wondering where in Silver Age legion this takes place and how are they going to deal with the silver age supergirl issue?
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Inertia. The Ant-Impulse.
like Qwardian?
Evil Clone
Inertia at Titans Tower .
Seems I am reading the wrong DC books right now - I had NO IDEA that there was so much 80s Legion going on in JSA...

Are there certain issues when this all began? Do I have to subscribe to JSA to find out more? Or will these just be tasty cameos with no relevance whatsoever???

Somehow, I never did get into JSA in all it's incarnations... kind of a blind spot in my team superhero book collection...

Can somebody tell me what's going on there???
Read all 4 issues of the new series they are chock full and you wont be disappointed!

Also you will want all of this upcoming crossover with the JLA

The Wizard article explained it as a 3 way crossover with Legion.
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In the Action comics annual. There is mention of Mon-el and a set of statues of the legion in the fortress of solitude.
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Read all 4 issues of the new series they are chock full and you wont be disappointed!

Also you will want all of this upcoming crossover with the JLA

The Wizard article explained it as a 3 way crossover with Legion.
Well I guess that's a typical case of "Wait for the trade to come out"... :-)

I guess I'll check out the current issue, though. I hate it when I miss something important... last time that happened was "Identity Crisis", but I got the HC for cheap on German ebay. Nobody bids for the comics on German ebay - you get your trades and hardcovers really cheap there if you keep looking :-)
The JLA/JSA crossover starts with JLA #8 which is supposed to come out on April 18 and JSA #5 which I think won't come out till May.
More on this JLA/JSA crossover: recently in JLA there's been a minor villain named Trident (so called because he wields an electric trident) who, with Plastique and Dr. Impossible, was acting as Professor Ivo's flunky. Black Lightning disposed of him without much trouble and I figured he was just cannon fodder.

But in this week's issue of JLA, #7, Batman is examining the still-unconscious Trident in the JLA's (very spiffy indeed!) new headquarters, and runs his DNA (I think that's what he's checking) through the JLA's computer. And it recognizes Trident as a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes!

WTFF?

I mean, I can buy a disoriented Star Boy ending up under Dr. Mid-Nite's care. I can buy Dream Girl having some misadventure that makes her end up in a cell in Arkham. I can buy Infectious Lass showing up in whatever metafictional escapade she's on. But for a Legionnaire to become a loser supervillain fetching and carrying for Solomon Grundy... what's going on here?

Three questions, the obvious one first.

1. Which Legionnaire is it? (I'm gonna have to go back and reread the first arc of Justice League looking for more info on Trident.)
2. How do the 21st-century heroes know the Legion well enough to have their DNA on file?
3. If this is - and it must be, mustn't it? - one of the Levitz-era Legionnaires, then the 21st-century heroes must be familiar with the Levitz-era Legion. So just what kind of connection does the Waid/Kitson Legion have with the current-day DCU? Especially if the Waid/Kitson Legion is seen reading actual DC comics. But then there's Supergirl and Mon-El, travelling from the current-day DCU to the Waid/Kitson future... How does this work?
Trident at Titans Tower .
I've seen a spoiler on another board that 'reveals' which Legionnaire Trident is. I won't repeat it here, because I have no idea about the source or reliability of this assertion.

But I wonder, does this whole thing make JLA #1-6 necessary for Legion AR collectors?
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But I wonder, does this whole thing make JLA #1-6 necessary for Legion AR collectors?
Yes. And please spoil it. It'll be interesting to speculate regardless.
Nevermind...found it...

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Val Armorr/Karate Kid</span></span>

Which is who I'd have guessed it to be anyway.
Interesting.

If that's true then

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This can't be the Levitz Legion, unless they're plucked from the middle of the LSH/LSV War.</span></span>
Okay. Well, the guy mentioned (and it's clearly a regular humanoid male, so not Blok, for instance) is the same guy I thought of first: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Karate Kid. The reason I thought of him is that Trident didn't display any powers.</span></span> But of course this is all purely speculative as far as I'm concerned, and if it is <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Karate Kid </span></span>then it adds one more problem:

At what point in the original Legion's timeline is this happening? We knew it had to be pre-5YG because of Dawnstar's wings and because Star Boy was an active Legionnaire (as opposed to being Xanthu's planetary champion). (Which means that Infectious Lass, in Tales of the Unexpected, probably has nothing to do with this whole thing, because she was only a Legionnaire during the Gap, or possibly after.) But now, if this is <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Karate Kid, we're pushing it back before the LSV/Orando sequence, before the Baxter series, possibly before Val's marriage to Jeckie...</span></span> and, more importantly from my perspective, before Crisis on Infinite Earths. And I had guessed that it was the Crisis-era Legion we were seeing here.

So, more speculation... I think this Legion might be pre-Great Darkness Saga, also, only because I can't see the powers-that-be wanting to leave Ayla out of whatever's going on. And if that's so, then we're also missing Jacques and Mysa.

When did Star Boy first grow the beard? I remember Pat Broderick drew him without it, and something like a beard isn't evidence either way, but...
The beard debuted in #293 or so. However, it's the Baxter Era LSV that appear in Arkham, so that gives a later date.

Of course, I suppose Doctor Destiny could be materializing Dream Girl's prophetic dreams...
It was in #291 actually. He's seen without one in #289 then when Thom is next shown in the background in a panel of #291 he has the beard. Page 5 to be exact.
It doesn't have to be the Baxter Era LSV, though, does it? I mean, I'm convinced that they're just manifestations created by Dr. Destiny out of Dream Girl's mind, but Lightning Lord, Tyr and the rest were longstanding Legion villains; no need to specify Baxter-era.

Darkseid is a different story, and I hadn't thought about him. So if Dr. Destiny is pulling Darkseid out of Dream Girl's memory, then that places this story between Great Darkness and the Baxter series. But if he's pulling Darkseid out of Dreamy's predictions...

Maybe LSH #300 is the key to sorting all this out.
Cosmic King seems to place it as Baxter LSV. Unless its the time-travelling Adult Cosmic King, whom Nura actually never met and would be really confusing. I think the costume indicates the Baxter Cosmic King.
Darkseid I think is behind ALL of this. The "event" in Countdown with his face? When he cursed the Legion? I think the curse is what this is all about.
Also if the DNA belongs to you know who? Haven't we already seen... <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">the WaK Karate Kid among the JLA?(JSA)</span></span>
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Also if the DNA belongs to you know who? Haven't we already seen... <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">the WaK Karate Kid among the JLA?(JSA)</span></span>
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Are you sure it is WaK I was under the imprssion he was the precrisis version... I know we've seen WaK KK in the countdown image, but what in JLA made you think this? </span></span>
oh nm. in JLA his name is on the screen
wndola, i saw him on... <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">on that big cover image a while ago with a bunch of DC heroes on it. The american flag? </span></span>
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wndola, i saw him on... <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">on that big cover image a while ago with a bunch of DC heroes on it. The american flag? </span></span>
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">so why would it be that Wak are showing up in JLA and Silver Age is showing up in JSA besides the obvious that is. </span></span>
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I think the WaK Karate Kid appearing in the big cover image was just a red herring.

I've had another chance to look at the new JLA, and Batman's testing clearly identifies him as Val Armorr, if you look at the letters that are bleeding offpanel. Furthermore, it seems like the JLA computer is accessing several databases: the Batcave, Gotham Police, AFIS and Hall of Justice (I suppose) computers blank out on him, but the Fortress of Solitude computer has a match.</span></span>
So here's the question...

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Assuming this is the pre-Crisis Legion, from the early 290s, and that those villains are the results of prophetic dreams by Nura...

Is this really just an untold Adventure of the pre-Crisis Legion? So... at the end... will they just go back and fight Darkseid/the LSV and Karate Kid will die?
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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">so why would it be that Wak are showing up in JLA and Silver Age is showing up in JSA besides the obvious that is. </span></span>

I think the WaK LSH is on one Earth and the Levitz era/etc are on another Earth, and that will be revealed through the crossover. WaK LSH would be the future Earth of the mainline DCU, and the Levitz LSH would be the future of new Earth 2 or whatever.

No matter what any of this means, and no matter how much i like most versions of the LSH, having different versions of the LSH appearing concurrently just seems like a horrible idea to me. The Legion (perhaps deservedly so) seems to non-LSH fans to be too confusing because of its reboots, and having multiple versions running around can't help matters at all. i worry for the future of the current LSH title, and for having any LSH title left standing after mucking about with them once again.
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I think Val 's name is the same in his WaK incarnation, but if "fortress" really means fortress of solitude then he must be silver age based on the statues in the action annual diagram</span></span>
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I think the WaK LSH is on one Earth and the Levitz era/etc are on another Earth, and that will be revealed through the crossover. WaK LSH would be the future Earth of the mainline DCU, and the Levitz LSH would be the future of new Earth 2 or whatever.

No matter what any of this means, and no matter how much i like most versions of the LSH, having different versions of the LSH appearing concurrently just seems like a horrible idea to me. The Legion (perhaps deservedly so) seems to non-LSH fans to be too confusing because of its reboots, and having multiple versions running around can't help matters at all. i worry for the future of the current LSH title, and for having any LSH title left standing after mucking about with them once again.
Personally I agree that the pre-crisis Legion will be revealed to be from Earth 2, but not necessarily a NEW Earth 2. Here's the theory I've been working on... Basically as a result of the Infinte Crisis Earth-2 was brought back in a sense, and that may have resulted in some of these characters leaking into the regular DC timeline and universe. So, basically while originally from Earth-2 they were misplaced if you will because of the Crises... some to places like Kingdom Come (i.e. Starboy/man).
Right if they were from our real silver age how do you deal with the super girl never existed issue?

I am still rooting for the theory that Power girl took so much longer getting to earth because she took a 5 year detour in the future.
Oh my this is getting sooooo complicated... and I KNOW all of Legion history. How is any new freader to jump on board if they make the BEGINNING this complicated???

I really love to see Levitz-era Legionnaires jumping around, but I don't see how this could come to a satisfying end... I really don't...

Thanks for posting this info, though. I quit the new JLA book after 4 issues because I just did not get what it was all about, especially because I did not know all those villains. Except for Grundy.
Chemical King, at this point I think they are just going to bring back the old complicated DC. smile

New readers? It's not like there is a ton of new readers jumping on. I think they figured in this new direct market world that the same amount of readers will jump on no matter what.

I honestly don't think there is a Earth2, etc. I think they just all remember there being multiple earths. But what does that mean for the Legion?
JSA is selling like hotcakes so it must be working on some level
Well I think it might be the WaK KK only because Batman says he is from the 31st century, and isn't only the current one from there, or is the one before it from there too?
Timberwolf, after reading what Brad Meltzer is saying about it in his latest interview, it does seem to be KK from WaK.

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NRAMA: So – winding down the issue…the obvious place to end would be that final page – the tease for the upcoming crossover. One of the Starro people – Karate Kid from the Legion of Super-Heroes?


BM: Yep – that’s it – the team up is coming, and it’s JLA/JSA/LSH, baby. Acronyms abound. But if you look again at eh very first image of the Justice League we released, Karate Kid was sanding there in the background, and then we pulled him out.

Geoff [Johns] and I have been planning this since we were seven years old.
And the KK we have seen on that cover was from the current series.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=107787
There seems to be a heavy 70s influence with KK being in the present, the new Gods, the other Kirby stuff.

It's almost like they want to reboot the DCU to the time just before the DC Implosion if not in terms of continuity then certainly in the structure of the publishing line up.
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Imagine how cool the JLA storyline would have been if they used the Revenger rather than Trident. Sigh. They never see the obvious choices.
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Close enough to count as a Legion appearance, given the context of the book...

From Welcome to Tranquility #3 - 2 months old but which I just got today. I believe these kids are a version of Sun Boy (mish-mashed with Element Lad's soul patch), Dawnstar (feather, dark skin), Ultra Boy (bare chest). The red haired girl - ?? and the girl in purple makes me think of Violet, because of the colour, or even a female Lyle (Leila?) because of the jacket.

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Maybe the WaK Legion connects to the Wildstorm universe and the pre-boot Legion to the DCU.
The blond guy does look very Legion-y, but that's Gen 13. .
Posted By: Dain Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/08/07 12:04 AM
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Maybe the WaK Legion connects to the Wildstorm universe and the pre-boot Legion to the DCU.
That's an intriguing idea, Fat Cramer! I like it!

Not sure if this is "DCU Proper" but completists may like to know about it.
Mordru appears in the following DC Novel.

DC Universe: Trail of Time
Hachette Book Group, March 2007 (343 pages, $6.99)
ISBN: 0-446-61659-1

Living in a dark world of terror alerts and censored media, Clark Kent has no memory of being anything other than human-until the Phantom Stranger appears to tell him that he is really Superman, and that all of Earth has fallen prey to malevolent magic. For 1,500 years, three evil sorcerers have been casting a spell to warp reality, pervert the flow of Time, and render superheroes helpless. Now the heroes, helped by four legends of the Old West, must launch desperate manhunts through history's worst massacres. For these wizards are fueling their power with human blood-even as they wait to destroy Superman in temporal death traps...
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Imagine how cool the JLA storyline would have been if they used the Revenger rather than Trident. Sigh. They never see the obvious choices.
I don't get it. Who's Revenger?
Ravager?
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The blond guy does look very Legion-y, but that's Gen 13. .
Oh pooh! I should get out more!

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Please don't. I like it.
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If I was going to use some two-bit villain for a JLA storyline that I'd later use to play "Karate Kid" in my JLA/JSA cross-over, then I'd pick someone from Val's series in the 70's.

Looking over the list of possibilities...

<strike>Nemesis Kid</strike> - KARATE KID #1
<strike>Major Disaster</strike> - KARATE KID #2 & 11 & 13
The Revenger - KARATE KID #3
<strike>Master Hand</strike> - KARATE KID #4
<strike>Commander Blud</strike> - KARATE KID #5 & 6
<strike>Gyro-Master</strike> - KARATE KID #7
<strike>Pulsar</strike> - KARATE KID #8 & 9
<strike>Black Dragon II</strike> - KARATE KID #10
<strike>Lord of Time</strike> - KARATE KID #12 & 13 & 15
<strike>Diamondeth</strike> - KARATE KID #14

I'd pick the Revenger, certainly over Triton. Where's the symmetry?
Thanks for the info on Revenger! Maybe choosing someone from KK's own series either might've tipped their hat too soon or it might've called into question whether or not those stories are in continuity. Either way, it'll be interesting to see how Val ended up here.
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Maybe choosing someone from KK's own series either might've tipped their hat too soon or it might've called into question whether or not those stories are in continuity.
I did think about whether anyone would suspect Val, but the twist came out of left field that I'd be impressed if anyone bothered to suggest it. It might also have helped if they used other ultra-obscure 70's villains that have never appeared since. I may even try to come up with "my" substitutes for Plastique and Electrocutioner, but chalk it all up to a missed opportunity.

And DC's continuity is so whacked, I'd doubt that the Revenger would have thrown much of a wrench into it.
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From Brad Meltzer's Blog the promised cover of JLA 8.

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Thanks Peter!
that is not the WaK karate kid?!
I hope he's written like the preboot Karate Kid, rather than newer versions!
According to Tony Bedard :

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The JSA/JLA stuff won't impact on my LEGION issues, but it will echo elsewhere in a very high-profile way. (sorry to be so vague, but I'm never sure what cards DC wants to keep close to their vest)
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I hope he's written like the preboot Karate Kid, rather than newer versions!
yeah no mr. miyagi yoga instructor!
Notice Dawny in the background, probably to the next JSA cover...
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From Brad Meltzer's Blog the promised cover of JLA 8.

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Now thats funny. When i click on the spoiler box all i get is a blank. yet if i cut and paste the IMg tag into a new window i can see the cover confused
And now having seen the cover, apart from the obvious story attraction of seeing Val like that I have to say I am not impressed with the artist. Is that this Michael Turner I have heard so many people rave about?
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/11/07 09:29 PM
It is a very ugly picture of Val. It looks like he was trying to put a slight Asian feel to it, but just ended up making him look deformed.

Turner is actually a good artist, with his own creations. His versions of other people's characters aren't always so hot, and everyone seems to end up with the same very, very square jaws.

Ironically, this picture of Val is one of the few attempts I've seen where he's tried to get away from the square jaw, and given how awful it looks, perhaps he should have stuck to what he's good at...

Slow loading (the site's in France, I think), but here's some samples of his stuff.

http://the.bastet.free.fr/VO/witchblademain.htm
I think the neck is too skinny which is why Val looks sick.
Hmm... while I don't usually like Turner's stuff, this didn't actually strike me as bad as usual.
I like his version of Mister Terrific.
I am completely befuddled by that cover. That Karate Kid is dead (Losh #4).

I would not like to see him retconned back into existence as it would completely ruin the Sensor Girl character that came after.

I loved Jeckie as Sensor Girl and thought that she was one of the strongest characters in the late Levitz run.
Might not be so bad an adjustment. KK wouldn't be being retconned back into existence if he's from the Legion before his death. He simply wouldn't have died "yet." Similar to reading the ADV "adult legion" stories in which the statues told of someone that was to die. Didn't ruin any of the ADV era characters. Letting the readers know a character's future can be a great plot point and character developer, (as long as the writers don't try an weasel out of it).

I hope they don't try and hit the fanbase with yet another reboot Legion.... I wonder if they lost quite a few more than they reclaimed after the last reboot, even with a name writer and artist.

As much as I love the pre-Crisis, pre-Mordroverse Legion, If they're going to change versions, I agree with at least one other that wrote, using the Legion at the end of DnA's run, neglecting the last four issues before WaK might make for the easiest to understand transition, but they hardly ever go for "easiest to understand." LoL
I have a baaaad feeling about this. The pre-Crisis stories are the only unsullied and sacrosanct things left of the original Legion, now it appears they plan to screw them up, too.

Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy in an old Karate Kid costume doesn't make him the original Karate Kid if a big, important chunk of his pre-Crisis history has been rewritten, overwritten or rewound. I'd rather have a thousand reboots than see something like that happen.
One thing is for sure: They will do SOMETHING with the Pre-Crisis Legion because otherwise they would not "easteregg" so many old Legionnaires like Dreamy and Val all over the DCverse.

So the question is no longer "if" but "how" they will bring back the good old times. Right now, comic book buyers - not kids anymore, but mostly twenty- and thirtysomethings with a huge love for the nostalgia part of comics - seem to be very keen on getting "old school" stuff with new school storywriting, see JLA and JSA and Green Lantern. So TPTB obviously try to milk the nostalgia cow, at the same time giving the Legion oldtimers like me what they are clamoring for since 1994 - bring back the old continuity!

Now it is clear that there is no "logical" or "believable" way to do this anyhow, cause the old continuity was very complicated and hard to access for new readers. Still, the old continuity survived for over 30 years whereas the Reboot "Archie" Legion - which was started to solve all continuity trouble - had managed to totally screw up its own continuity AGAIN by doing mindless time travel crossovers and totally crappy Darkseid maneuvers... so certainly there won't be a return to the Reboot Legion.

So how will it all happen? Though I think that the Magic Wars time would be the most logical returning point, it seems that the more "nostalgic" moment to go back would be around #300, with Blok, Witchy and Jacques being the new guys, the costumes being bringht and colourful and the "what happened before" story not being much more than what every comic reader can easily look up in the good old "Secrets of the Legion" mini. So it would be easy to reprint that mini, add some stuff about Darkseid and Computo and jump on the old continuity (with GEORGE PEREZ as the artist smile ) after playfully hinting at it for maybe some further year, using Countdown, the JSA and JLA to slowly let the idea slip.

I am not totally happy with kind of loosing all the stories after #300 - heck, the Legion of Supervillains storyline of Universo Project are among my alltime favorites - but hey, I have lost them once before and now I'm (MAYBE) getting a lot of those old stories back again? I'm in. But I'm a nostalgic oldtimer. Will this book sell? Legion v.5 or v.6 (how far are we?)? Will it make more money than Waids desperate attempt to tell a story?

Considering the current streams on the market, I think it will - and therefore, DC will do it. Welcome back, you heroes of my childhood - I missed you so much!
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Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy in an old Karate Kid costume doesn't make him the original Karate Kid if a big, important chunk of his pre-Crisis history has been rewritten, overwritten or rewound.
The "art" is for the cover only. KK has a strong thick neck based on the interior art...see examples in this thread.

Personally, I've always thought the best Legion would be one started from a popular part of Legion history (I picked LSH #300, too.) and going from there. No rewrites. Just ignore the crap since. Having some of the gems (Gates, living Lyle, etc.) be sprinkled into the future adventures to make everyone feel included.
Tromium is right. I kinda think all the fans venerate the pre-boot LSH precisely because they couldn't have it.

Once they bring it back the potential to mess it up is so great. And I know Meltzer and Johns love the bronze age DCU. Remember how much Meltzer loved the satellite JLA?

I thought Identity Crisis was a good comic story but just remember the stories that they'll be telling are not from the Bronze Age DCU.

So I don't want to hear any complaints when Zaryan rapes Triplicate Girl in the upside down rocket ship causing Saturn Girl to mindwipe the entire team. Of course this causes Brainiac 5 to become really unhinged so he builds this huge invisible fortress in the sky to spy on and neutralize his teammates if necessary. tease

Nah what kind of hack story is that, couldn't happen. tease
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You just described every one of Coipel's characters (except Monstress). lol
Hmm... I also agree with Tromium that we should be skeptical of what's going to happen in regards to these Legion appearances. Given the direction of the current DCU, I'm not sure I want the classic Legion sullied by being made a part of it. Meltzer and Johns especially scare me, because they seem to be the leaders in the trend of "Let's revert everything back to 1983 but with lots more sex and gore".
Over at the 'Rama:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=108367

Welp...cat's out of the bag! With KK, Dream Girl & Star Boy in what appears to be the 21st century, and with Dawnstar's fringe making a cameo...color me confused as to how evertything ties together...

By the way, how could Batman's computer figure out that KK's from the 31st century? Tachyons?
FYI, this discussusion is also taking place here . Thanks for the Newsarama link Igee!


You can see why Batman's computer figured out the ID in the last image here . The reason why is obvious as shown here .
Maybe this *is* the WaK Legion, but it all takes place before Legion of Super-Heroes #1?? The team was already formed when the title started. Maybe the Starboy we know took on the other Starboy's name after he disappeared (are they both named Thom Kallor? Then he second one could be Thom Jr...) , Dawnstar used to be a member and KK used to wear that outfit and had a jaunt in the 31st century. Maybe this team's original inspiration is the JSA?

Questions abound...
Can anybody tell me in which exact issues the appearances of Dawny, Dreamy and Star Boy (not Stary) took place? I managed to get JSA ##3-4 via Ebay and the newer issues via my regular shop - what else do I have to get for my AR collection smile ?
Dawnstar's arm was in #1. Starman has been in all the issues so far, and I believe he's said or done something Legion-related in all of them except maybe one (and that one is #3 or #4). Dream Girl was in #4, I think.

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Maybe this *is* the WaK Legion, but it all takes place before Legion of Super-Heroes #1?? The team was already formed when the title started. Maybe the Starboy we know took on the other Starboy's name after he disappeared (are they both named Thom Kallor? Then he second one could be Thom Jr...) , Dawnstar used to be a member and KK used to wear that outfit and had a jaunt in the 31st century. Maybe this team's original inspiration is the JSA?
I doubt it. There are just too many things that'd have to be explained away. First of all, both Star Boys are named Thom Kallor, but they don't resemble each other. Dream Girl and Dawnstar (and Karate Kid) all look like their Levitz-era versions, and not like the threeboot-era versions. Starman made references to Color Kid and Kenz Nuhor. It's just too much.
You can see where most of the images in this thread come from by their names.
I can't see how this JLA/JSA/Legion crossover is anything but a plan to re-reboot the Legion back to a Levitz era time. It's why I have pretty much lost interest in the current SG & Legion storyline. Just as Gail Simone's four parter at the end of DnA (which I really enjoyed) was rendered insignificant by the Waid reboot, the next final issues of the current Legion will be of no consequence in the next DC/Legion order.

I believe DC has just given up on any strict continuity of stories and characters over a long period of time. While they are indeed reviving elements from stories past (Silver Age gems), they are focused on making quality stories for the here and now, and reviving characters from the dead, contradicting relationships and general histories are secondary to this end (too much work for the editors and writers to keep straight).

Apparently, we readers respond best to the "quick-hitter" stories. It doesn't matter whether five or ten years ago Jeckie was dating T-Wolf or Karate Kid, or whether Karate Kid died or not, or if Jeckie was born a human or snake, or if she became Sensor Girl or not, etc. The writers have license to pick up wherever they deem necessary to sell a comic.

This can make for some good story telling for readers who take it day by day, but could be irritating/confusing for consistency buffs.
No I don't think so... but we will see what happens in Action 850 and WWIII

I think this will be like the difference between supergirl and powergirl. Not a replacement, but a different flavor. But we will have to see.

I'm also going to say that while the stuff right after the crisis on infinite earths was great the amount of time spent trying to make everything make sense really messed things up a bit. I'm hoping the High collared Karate Kid costume and the statues in the action annual are a sign we are getting the uncorrupted legion. My only real question then would be... do they remember supergirl?
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I believe DC has just given up on any strict continuity of stories and characters over a long period of time. While they are indeed reviving elements from stories past (Silver Age gems), they are focused on making quality stories for the here and now, and reviving characters from the dead, contradicting relationships and general histories are secondary to this end (too much work for the editors and writers to keep straight).

Apparently, we readers respond best to the "quick-hitter" stories. It doesn't matter whether five or ten years ago Jeckie was dating T-Wolf or Karate Kid, or whether Karate Kid died or not, or if Jeckie was born a human or snake, or if she became Sensor Girl or not, etc. The writers have license to pick up wherever they deem necessary to sell a comic.

This can make for some good story telling for readers who take it day by day, but could be irritating/confusing for consistency buffs.
If they would say that that's what they were doing, I'd be okay with it. As long as they're letting us believe that there's a larger frame of continuity, though, it's hard not to try to make everything fit into that.
I don't know if this has been mentioned:

Green Lantern 15: the Faceless Hunters from Saturn have "combined mind-powers stolen from the moon of Titan"
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Notice Dawny in the background, probably to the next JSA cover...
I dunno...I think it's Hawkman's wing, but...it's obvious we're missing a third person in JLA #9's cover.

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Shrinking Violet would hang in good with that group (a la Atom). Maybe she is on the cover, smallish.
Okay, I just took a quick read through JLA #8.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">There are seven Legionnaires scattered around the 21st century; Starman and Karate Kid and five others. Of the five others, one's obviously Dream Girl in Arkham, and one's gotta be Dawnstar on Thanagar.

Batman and Black Lightning have to subdue Karate Kid, who still thinks he's Trident, on and off. Because there's a JLA/JSA reunion going on they're able to compare notes with Mr. Terrific, who hooks them up with Starman. Starman restores Val's memory completely by saying 'Lightning Lad' to him in Interlac. 'Lightning Lad', again in Interlac, is the title of the issue, so there must be something up with that.

Then they use Val's flight ring to trace what other flight rings are around, to find the other Legionnaires Val and Thom say are there. Here's the intriguing part: In addition to these seven flight rings, Superman has two of his own, there's also Booster Gold's one, Supergirl has one, and Vril Dox has one.

No word on why the Legionnaires are there, or why they're exactly where they are.

At the end of the issue the JLA and JSA split into five teams to go look for the other Legionnaires.</span></span>

Oh, and I also got Brave and Bold #3, with Batman and Blue Beetle against the Fatal Five. Much less interesting: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Basically, the Time Lord wants the supersonic framistat that Batman and Blue Beetle are trying to get, so he summons the Five from the future to be his muscle. If there's more to it than that, I missed it.</span></span>
Took another pass through JLA #8, and have more details:

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">A couple of guys show up in a hospital in 1948 to take a dying Dolores Winter (aka the Ultra-Humanite) to the future. No idea who they are. I get a Brainy vibe off one of them but realistically I think they're villains.

The Fortress of Solitude computer has Karate Kid listed as a level-15 fighter, and Batman's only level 12.</span></span>
Here's the link in Gym'll's discussing this topic too:
JLA/JSA/LSH Crossove
From Dan Didio at Newsarama , about Countdown.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">“Oh, and the storyline that spins from the JLA/JSA crossover, which features members of the Legion of Super-Heroes touches on Countdown as well, and what you’ll find out is that Karate Kid was left in the past – in our time, hopefully to unravel what’s going on the DC Universe. He’s left behind for a purpose. It wasn’t his choice. He was left."</span></span>
I'll give it a day or two before I post scans.
Better check out Brave & the Bold #5

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Between the Levitz LSH'ers appearing in the JLA?JSA/LSH crossover and now the WaK LSH'ers in B&B, Didio's comments about KK in a recent 'Rama article, it appears there's a strong LSH push coming our way.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that 10 months from now are the April 2008 issues, the month when the Legion hits its 50th anniversary?
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Oh, and I also got Brave and Bold #3, with Batman and Blue Beetle against the Fatal Five.
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Posted By: Yk Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/24/07 05:51 AM
The Composite Batman?
wow nobody mentioned Wildfire?

Hint: that is.....according to DC Nation, Dan DiDio said that there is a legionnaire who is a "second soldier" ready to make an appearance in the JSA. wink
superboymddjr, i don't get the "second soldier" thing?
i think it has to do something indirectly with 7 Soldiers of Victory way back in JLA/JSA/7SSV crossover way back in JLA #100-102 (or #107/108?) and there are some similiarities between the Law Legionnaires and the Legionnaires that they were "lost" in time/space, So henceforth, that was Dan who commented that we will see the 2nd "soldier" in the book of JSA (which turns out to be a certain cocky attitude member we came to love). First soldier is Karate Kid, now who are 5 left? I am not sure if Star Boy, Dream Girl, and others are considered as Soldiers...??? Beats me why they called 2nd soldier instead of 4th soldier.
btw, GL Corps #8 Darkseid shows up against the "Dominator" (a genetic enhanced...dominiator).

Darkseid is upset and says the Dominator is going to mess up his careful machinations. hmm?
thanks superboymddjr. I got it now. smile
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btw, GL Corps #8 Darkseid shows up against the "Dominator" (a genetic enhanced...dominiator).

Darkseid is upset and says the Dominator is going to mess up his careful machinations. hmm?
That wasn't Darkseid. It was Daggle trying to fool the Dominator to stall for time.
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so cool! jeez with those abs they could all pass as extras on the set of 300!

oh and where's proty wink ?
Posted By: Pov Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/26/07 12:33 PM
Imitating Wildfire on the right? smile
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/26/07 12:49 PM
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so cool! jeez with those abs they could all pass as extras on the set of 300!
It does look like they were all pressed out of a cookie-cutter mold, doesn't it? Wow. I don't think I've ever seen two people with the exact same abs, and there's like a dozen of them! Fanatical exercise maniac Karate Kid, and never lifted a free weight in his life Invisible Kid, the exact same musculature!

I hadn't noticed that there was no plaque under the second Wildfire.

Eeenteresting. It's like a Scooby-Doo scene, where those meddling kids disguise themselves as wax statues while the ghost runs by...

I think Wildfire 2 is Shaggy, Fred's behind him, pretending to be Element Lad, Velma is Duo Damsel and Daphne is Sensor. Scooby is hiding behind Blok.

Why does Ferro Lad have metal arms and fleshy hands? Is this a shout-out to the cartoon, where they kept forgetting to color him and had him in fleshy form doing super-stuff?
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[b]btw, GL Corps #8 Darkseid shows up against the "Dominator" (a genetic enhanced...dominiator).

Darkseid is upset and says the Dominator is going to mess up his careful machinations. hmm?
That wasn't Darkseid. It was Daggle trying to fool the Dominator to stall for time.[/b]
Damn that Durlan Daggle! I shouldn't have read it on my way out the house before work! wink
Posted By: Yk Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/15/07 05:08 AM
>bump<

Nothing to see here citizen. Move along.
I would really like to see a Corpse book especially if they bumbed heads with L.E.G.I.O.N. and Vril from time to time...
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Posted By: Yk Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/17/07 05:48 PM
Thank you Scott!

Now, what does the interlac in the last panel say?
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Now, what does the interlac in the last panel say?
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Ok now who dug out the who's who for the chart and who cheated like me and used the interlac font?
Posted By: Yk Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/18/07 04:34 AM
lol

Thanks!
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Ok now who dug out the who's who for the chart and who cheated like me and used the interlac font?
Not me. After all these years I've actually begun to recognize a lot of the letters and can usually fill in the gaps enough to read it. Which means I probably need to get a life.
Let me help you feel better about yourself LL by reminding you of my insane Saint Patrick\'s day shirt at WWLA for which I will forever be known as "that crazy interlac shirt girl" by a terrified Wayne and Didio


That and I carry a D&D bottle opener on my keyring just so I can win who's the biggest geek contests
lol

We all need similar shirts for next year. If they can't read Interlac at the Legion's 50th then they need to be educated. smile
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Gary do you have a larger version of this? I'd like to attach it to my electronic copy.
I can send you one when I get home tonight.
Look at how beautiful she is!

It's DAZZLING!
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I can send you one when I get home tonight.
Thanks! smile
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Let me help you feel better about yourself LL by reminding you of my insane Saint Patrick\'s day shirt at WWLA for which I will forever be known as "that crazy interlac shirt girl" by a terrified Wayne and Didio
Great shirt! To let my freak flag fly for a sec, I frequently write notes to myself (shopping/to do lists, etc) in interlac -- just for funsies (and also in case any nosie nellies tries to read them). And of course it helps when interlac pops up in Letgion comics!
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[b]Ok now who dug out the who's who for the chart and who cheated like me and used the interlac font?
Not me. After all these years I've actually begun to recognize a lot of the letters and can usually fill in the gaps enough to read it. Which means I probably need to get a life.[/b]
me, too. don't feel too bad.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/20/07 01:17 AM
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After all these years I've actually begun to recognize a lot of the letters and can usually fill in the gaps enough to read it. Which means I probably need to get a life.
Oh good, it's not just me...

Gosh, did I love seeing Timber Wolf all leaderly. I'd forgotten how much I loved that character. I'm not in love with whatever reddish tint they had going on with his skin, tho.
I will say I am right now the bigger Legion geek than my husband but he has the longer history of legion love. The other night we took a look at the preview of the map for the upcoming Heroclix Legion set

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/gameresources.asp?cid=41417
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/images/LegionMap_Central_small.pdf

and I pulled out the Who's Who to check out all the interlat. I was struggling wiht I think thats a c and that's and o while he just spit out the words.

now... This one is from
Countdown 39-35
"Karate Kid ventures to Oracle for answers."

It's like my own comics Reeces Peanut butter cup. Two great things that go great together!!! LOSH and BOP

Also
JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA #8
"Plus, Starman helps Power Girl make a startling discovery concerning the 52."

Tee Hee what could it be... Now obviously we know 2 things... 1 neither Val nor Thom die or are sent back to wherever they came from.


Oh and we have a Dox sighting of some kind over in Booster Gold. Since Brainy is so closely connected to booster and time travel I think it's Querl. but it could easily be Vril
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Did anyone catch the panel in Countdown 51 when the rogue Monitor is ranting about all the anomalies threatening the Multiverse? There is a LSH sighting in those panels. Both the pre-boot Karate Kid and members of the WaK Legion are shown on screens as multiverse anomalies.
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There's a new Booster Gold series? What issue features a Dox?
Well the cover of #1 at least
Not sure if I should post this here or in the JLA/JSA crossover thread...

I was reading a review of JSA#2 (I don't normally read JSA) and the reviewer said:

"Starman says that it’s coming. The Great Disaster. That he has to find her and him and her. That She’s talking to him and he doesn’t know and he has to find them all before the storm."

Does anyone have a scan to that page? I'm just wondering what it means for the crossover...
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Karate Kid</span></span> is in Countdown #49. <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Locked up in the JLA Satellite.</span></span>
about that Legionnaire being locked up in JLA satellite - makes me wonder why that particular Legionnaire was seen wearing different (Kitson-designed) costume in the Countdown poster alongside Triplicate Girl. Speaking of Triplicate Girl, will we see her in Countdown? *puzzled*
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about that Legionnaire being locked up in JLA satellite - makes me wonder why that particular Legionnaire was seen wearing different (Kitson-designed) costume in the Countdown poster alongside Triplicate Girl. Speaking of Triplicate Girl, will we see her in Countdown? *puzzled*
When that poster/cover for Countdown was released, I don't think it had be revealed that the Pre-Crisis Karate Kid was going to show up in JLA. So while they were planning to use that version of KK, they didn't want to tip everyone off and instead showed the WaK version.
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Looks like we might be seeing Validus in "JLA" soon...

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Looks like one more reason for me to hate when they bring Legion characters to the regular series. The writers seem to feel a need to add something to the characters that the Legion writers didn't.

Either the crappiest Validus yet or worse, they are insinuating some ancestor. Blah.
Well, if 80s LSH continuity is back, there's no telling how far into the past Darkseid sent him. He could have lived as Validus for c. 1,015 years before being born!
I have to give a firm "ick" as far as the inclusion of Validus in this.

You know they're just going to treat him as a generic "big mindless strong guy".

Validus on Earth in the twentieth century should be a bigger threat than Doomsday.
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tis a good point but his inclusion here makes him a pretty well known commodity. Would a 1000 year old (or older) Validus stick in the craw of established biography much?
Originally he was what, stomping around some little backwater with no known origin, which was later amended to being a creation of Darkseid. Even though we hadn't seen him before his first appearance I think Shooter established the Validus was a pretty well known character, everyone feared him. So he could have been around a thousand years just beginning his second millenium. Everyone knows about those terrible twos.


In the second boot, I believe he was actually created by some planet to be some weapon or some such? Can't remember exactly, but I hated it.


I'll take the unique bastard creation of a God version (no history, no planet full of them, no other dimensional versions of him....) and second EDE's ick.


For me, Validus is (was) a very nearly perfect creation by both writer and artist. No dripping saliva, bloody scabby scars and other schtick generally used by artists to try and create a nightmare. Validus is so simply drawn and his personality so simply defined, he's one of the best tragic characters in comics. Doesn't need nor want refining. Adding boots, costuming, history (eye's lol, who was it that drew eyes on him?)... ick, ick, ick.
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Brave and the Bold #5 must take place after the Lighning Saga, right? He'll be meeting different versions of Karate Kid, Star Boy, Jeckie & Brin.
Well, it looks like it takes place after the Dominators War; no Cosmic Boy.
Nice job with Kitson's designs.
Was the Time Trapper in the latest The Brave & the Bold?
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Was the Time Trapper in the latest The Brave & the Bold?
That was Destiny (of the Endless).

It was his book that was stolen and being used throughout the story. Also, did everyone else realize that it's the Challengers of the Unknown whom Destiny was trying to get the book to, to fix?
Oh yeah the Endless guy. I remember him. And good call with the Challengers. I knew one of you guys would figure it out with that old school cover.

I wonder if they people who are going to "fix" things are the Challangers of the Beyond (Donna, Kyle, and Jason?) ok sorry that is for another thread.
From the Meltzer/Johns interview at Newsarama:

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NRAMA: What was Karate Kid saying in Japanese as he braced himself for the lightning?

BM: Fear makes the wolf bigger than he is.
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Funny, I assumed the four guys who were messing with Destiny's book were the writers of 52! smile
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Where does it say that KK joins the JLA?
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You're right. Geoff Johns confirmed in a Wizard interview last week it is Querl Dox -- an "adult Brainiac 5". I don't think he means the pipe-smoking one, though.

ADULT BRAINIAC 5
For years, Booster has incorporated a stolen Legion of Super-Heroes flight ring into his arsenal, and now, the Legion has finally come to collect it.

“Dan Jurgens always had a story about whose ring it was and just never got to it,” reveals Johns."
Umm... didn't Jurgens reveal the origin of the ring in the Booster Gold series?
Maybe, but that was a zillion years ago in a different reality. Was it supposed to be Brainy's ring then, too?
Yeah. But even granting that the story would have to be re-written for the new continuity (it heavily involved Ronald Reagan, for one thing), the article makes it sound as though it's something that's never been adressed.

So, I wonder which Brainy it's going to be?
You're right Eryk. In Booster's original series, it was indeed Brainy's ring that was left behind in the 20th century. Also his force field belt was left there too, to protect the President from an assassination attempt. The belt's technology was eventually incorporated into the suit Booster would wear.

I'm hoping for a pre-Crisis Brainy. Booster is a post-Crisis character, and has already crossed paths with the pre-Crisis Legion in his origin. Besides, it sounds like his new series is a cross between Quantum Leap and Sliders, so I'm sure he could find the pre-Crisis Legion if he tried hard enough...
Posted By: Vee Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 07/06/07 12:10 AM
Mon-El has a significant amount of panel time in the lastest issue of Action (#851)

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no mention of VS Card System - World's Finest - Matter Eater Lad got it's own in it? I have heard about it but have NOT seen it yet. I am curious if anyone knows about this?
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no mention of VS Card System - World's Finest - Matter Eater Lad got it's own in it? I have heard about it but have NOT seen it yet. I am curious if anyone knows about this?
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Ugh. That Dev-Em is even worse than I thought it would be.
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Ugh. That Dev-Em is even worse than I thought it would be.
Exactly. They could've named him Nim-Em or something.
It wouldn't be so bad if he at least looked really cool, but that's just... ugh.
Which is par for a lot of DC art lately. Well the hell are all the good artists?
I admit I am not digging Kubert in Action.
Devem was never a major player to me, so I guess I'm not feeling the pain. The other characters looks good (to me).

Looks like they're filling in a few details from the old time and time again?

A Star"man" partly knows about pre-crisis? Somehow two Starboys got merged and he seems nuts?

I suppose it'd all be clearer if I actually bought the darn things, but that's a lot of money just to see a few panels. The story seems interesting to me.
Dev-Em's gotten so screwed up over the years I don't expect we'll ever see the version we're familiar with again. Makes me wonder why they bother using the name at all.
Copyright.
So all indication is the that the Mon-El that's appearing in this issue is the Mon-El from Supergirl and the Legion, right?

Anyone want to venture a guess as to how it is that the Lightning Saga Legion also has a Mon-El?
See, I liked Dev-Em. My favorite storyline with him is the one where Dark Circle kidnapped him and he has Kryptonite poisoning, that was my first exposure to him and I thought it was cool that there was a security agency (can't remember what's it called) and that Dev-Em worked with them over the Legion. I dunno, it just seemed unique. T

hen I learn later (through Showcase Presents) that he was a complete meanie to Superboy but then comes to the 30th century and finds his own way, I just thought it made him very interesting.

Now I learn that that Dev-Em disappeared YEARS ago and the other versions all seem to be psychos. to me a juvenile deliquent with super powers who does spy stuff is SO much cooler than super powered psycho, we have tons of those. Oh well, it's not like I ever thought I would see him again aside from back issues.
Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.
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Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.
I agree. When it comes to the Legion his memory is spotty it seems. Yet he has the PC Legion statues. Wierd.
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[b] Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.
I agree. When it comes to the Legion his memory is spotty it seems. Yet he has the PC Legion statues. Wierd.[/b]
There is some pre-crisis precedent for this, in Adv 300 when Mon is temporarly released from the PZ, Superboy is excited that Mon-el might be cured. When he should be distraught that he's been in there for over 1000 years.
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See, I liked Dev-Em. ... it was cool that there was a security agency (can't remember what's it called) and that Dev-Em worked with them over the Legion. I dunno, it just seemed unique.
This aspect of Dev-em I really liked too. It fit in well with the political intrigue and helped keep the book from being a "who do we pound this month" comic.
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[b] Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.
I agree. When it comes to the Legion his memory is spotty it seems. Yet he has the PC Legion statues. Wierd.[/b]
There is some pre-crisis precedent for this, in Adv 300 when Mon is temporarly released from the PZ, Superboy is excited that Mon-el might be cured. When he should be distraught that he's been in there for over 1000 years. [/b]
See, I always thought Superboy was a real jerk for not offering to fly the cure BACK 1000 years. Instead he makes Mon-El stay in horrible confinement for a millennium. Seriously, Earth's Greatest Hero? Most like WORST FRIEND EVER!
I have to agree. Why is Superboy going to let present Mon-El suffer for a thousand years. Jerk.
Because he's already there in the 30th century, and he can't change history.

I bet he tried take the serum back a few times, and it always got broken in the time stream and stuff.
Good thing for Clark he didn't take the serum back, or he would have died prematurely. In 1962, Mon-El was able to save the adult Clark's life because of his special vantage point from the Phantom Zone in The Last Days of Superman .

That story, in which the Legion took part, happened before Brainy invented the permanent anti-lead serum. So if Clark had wanted to carry the cure back in time, the Legion would have realized the consequences and prevented him for that reason alone. Maybe they did fiddle with his mind a bit.
He should have released Mon-el from the phantom zone in the 20th century, transport him to the 30th century and then give him the cure.
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Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.
I thought it was just because he was disoriented due to adjusting to the Phantom Zone.
btw,in JSA #7 I hear XS is mentioned. Wonder what they say?
Thom continues to babble in JSA 7. "There's a crisis in the future, though having tea with those 2 other Thoms was nice."
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btw,in JSA #7 I hear XS is mentioned. Wonder what they say?
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> It is when Superman is talking to Thom. He asks Thom if the reason the Legion was there was to bring the Flash home. Thom responds "From the vibrational plane! zip! zoom! The Legion of three worlds! Do you remember XS? She had a crush on you."</span></span>
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It appears I forgot t load up page 7 last night. I'll have to take care of it when I get home later.
I have two comments to make on the recent Legion sightings:

1) I'm sooo excited that XS is mentioned! That means this Thom (and presumably Nura, Jeckie, Dawnstar, et al) know her! Bring back XS

2) Please get Karate Kid's uniform correct. It changes from one book to the other.

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Yeah the XS comment and the two other Thom's comment means we are going to have a BIG meeting soon.

Maybe there will be a remix Legion after all? I can't see DC choosing a Legion over another. Leave the multiverse!
Posted By: Pov Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 07/12/07 09:59 PM
Pi$$es me off that they made that Eaglesham cover a variant. tongue Even worse that they don't preview the variant covers so I could make an informed decision whether I want to spend $6 preordering it.

ENOUGH with the 1:10 ratio variants! scream

And while they're at it, enough with the Alex Ross pin-up style covers.
Yeah I know. They could've let us know there was a variant with Thom Kallor eating a sloppy Joe. I mean..c'mon! That's a great cover!
Posted By: Vee Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 07/12/07 10:30 PM
Did anyone notice that the phrase "Earth 2" is scrawled on the table next to Thom's tray?
Yup.
Yes, but I thought it was "Earths".
Posted By: Vee Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 07/12/07 10:34 PM
I think it's a backwards "2"
You may be right.
I originally thought it was "Earths" too. but looking again, I would say it is a 2
Posted By: Vee Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 07/12/07 10:41 PM
It's written upside down in order to confuse your eyes into seeing an "S" I think. laugh
If it is a "2," then more evidence the LS Legion is from the new Earth 2's future. That would be consistent with Starman referring to Superman as "Kal-L." We also know from 52 #52 that the Kryptonians are missing from Earth 2. Is that because their Superman is dead, per Infinite Crisis, and Power Girl is on New Earth? Or is the LS Legion involved? What if the LS Legion had contacts with all the multiversal Supermans? Maybe they had sort of a revolving door of Clark Kents popping in and out. "Quick, get rid of Clark from New Earth! Earth-2 Clark just arrived for a visit!"
I hope they're from new Earth-2, if only because it makes it even more likely that there's a new Earth-1 out there with a Legion even closer to the original!
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If it is a "2," then more evidence the LS Legion is from the new Earth 2's future. That would be consistent with Starman referring to Superman as "Kal-L." We also know from 52 #52 that the Kryptonians are missing from Earth 2. Is that because their Superman is dead, per Infinite Crisis, and Power Girl is on New Earth? Or is the LS Legion involved? What if the LS Legion had contacts with all the multiversal Supermans? Maybe they had sort of a revolving door of Clark Kents popping in and out. "Quick, get rid of Clark from New Earth! Earth-2 Clark just arrived for a visit!"
That could make sense because from the modern DCU's point of view there have been a revolving door of Legions visit them.
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1) I'm sooo excited that XS is mentioned! That means this Thom (and presumably Nura, Jeckie, Dawnstar, et al) know her! Bring back XS
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I bounced when I saw that line too! I thought Xs and her Legion (of Earth-247 no more it seems?) were gone forever, but this gave me some small hope. And I'd love to see Gates too! What kind of a dismal Legion has no time for a cynical and depressed bug-Legionnaire?

Would pay also to see that Thom-Thom-Thom tea-party, especially if Reboot Thom's there! StarBoy
Yes! Bring back Gates! And pre DnA Zoe! And Jazmin and Jenni!
It was said that none of the Lightning Saga Legionnaires (with the notable exception of schizoid Starman) remembers much about "The Legion of Three Worlds" episode, which must have occurred *before the first Crisis* or else Clark would have no knowledge of it at all. It doesn't make a lick of sense, therefore, that the years younger 2boot and 3boot Legions were involved in a long ago, forgotten team-up (the 3boot Legion is only 2-3 years after formation and didn't even exist until Infinite Crisis!). A more likely scenario is that Starman came into contact with XS and the two other Thoms when he was bouncing around the Multiverse on his most recent trip to the 21st century, and is the only LS Legionnaire to recall meeting parallel earth doppelgangers.

If some semblance of the post-ZH Legion does exist on a parallel Earth, I wonder if Element Lad is back with all his marbles?

This is the second time Starman has mentioned making black holes, and I'm beginning to sense a strong fatalistic vibe around him. If Thom, not Val, is the Legionnaire marked for death in Countdown, it's just as well, since Geoff Johns obviously prefers this maudlin and damaged caricature to the original personality. Let LS Thom die with some dignity before he begins soiling his pants in public. The sloppy joe scene is just, ugh, gross. I am not amused.
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It was said that none of the Lightning Saga Legionnaires (with the notable exception of schizoid Starman) remembers much about "The Legion of Three Worlds" episode, which must have occurred *before the first Crisis* or else Clark would have no knowledge of it at all. It doesn't make a lick of sense, therefore, that the years younger 2boot and 3boot Legions were involved in a long ago, forgotten team-up (the 3boot Legion is only 2-3 years after formation and didn't even exist until Infinite Crisis!).
I wouldn't say that. I understand what you mean, but:

- it's easy to fudge the time element. What's the harm in having all three Legions run parallel to each other?
- the threeboot Legion's existence precedes their issue #1 by a significant amount of time. I don't recall if it was a couple of years or six months or what, but it's enough time for a lot of interesting stuff to happen.
I don't think the time element's going to be that big a deal, since the timeline of the Lightning Saga Legion seems significantly different than that of the "original" Legion.

I'd be more worried about what sort of Starboy-esque changes the creators are going to inflict upon the postboot Legionnaires.
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Gah! I'm SO behind on picking up my comics! Thanks for posting this stuff, Nighty. I'm not sure if I'll be getting all the KK stuff, so I appreciate being able to come here and see it.
Why did they ever kill off the real Question?! He is just so cool! Oh yeah nice to see Countdown give us Legion clues. smile
A quick tease...the rest will come later...Scarlet Witch?

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My first thought was... Gates? but nyaah, these have feet...
Didn't the girl remind you of Mysa in the Magic Wars and them leaving remend anyone else of the Great Exodus of The Socreorers WOrld in In LSH 63 (baxter book)
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Didn't the girl remind you of Mysa in the Magic Wars and them leaving remend anyone else of the Great Exodus of The Socreorers WOrld in In LSH 63 (baxter book)
That's why it was posted and why I called her "Scarlet Witch." I believe this was to be the event that led all of the magic off of Earth and over to Gemworld/Sorceror's World. And that that is supposed to be a version of Mysa.
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Not trying to steal your thunder Gary. Just lending a helping hand. smile
Thank you for doing this, LL and Nighty. I'm not always an AR collector, so getting to see this stuff here does the trick!
Thanks, guys! This enables us all to keep up to date on the convoluted continuity.

A new meaning for green splatters. hmmm And Lyle the only legionnaire left standing... that would have been an interesting story.
Posted By: Pov Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 08/17/07 02:25 PM
"Talk to the hand... and DIE! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!" LuckLords
An excellent example of the Coluan culture's concept of "losing face..."

I'll never look at guacemole the same.


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I used to love popping into this forum to catch up with the growing sightings of legionnaires outside of thier own title, (or universe as the case may be.) But no recent postings. (Sigh!!!)
There's this one -

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Plus, numerous Countdown KK and Una appearances, but they're so boring I haven't the interest to scan them in. smile
Beat me to the punch! smile
There was someone from Tellus' race shown as a new Green Lantern Corps recruit in the "Ion" one-shot. More than a background figure, he was shown target practicing and gets busted on by kilowog in a scene.
Drake, I got pretty excited about the Tellus Green Lantern. Forgot to mention that here.
The current issue of Superman, #671, is the first of 3 parts about the Insect Queen, and features Lana Lang.

Not a direct tie-in of course, as the rebooted Legion had a different Insect Queen, but some of us are more AR than others.

Also during this issue, Superman mentions the "Science Police" in one panel. I wasn't sure if that was a slip of the tongue (since he was referring basically to some C.S.I./forensic types) or if it was intentional from Busiek. Either way, fine with me!

The exact quote was said after Lana was abducted from Lexcorp's offices (where she is apparently C.E.O. now), and Superman tells a Lexcorp employee: "There's an odd smell in here and some sort of chemical residue -- I'm sure the Science Police will be analyzing it."
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I don't know if it's worth adding to the solicitations here, but WONDER WOMAN #18 has an appearance by the Khunds, cover and all... AR-worthy, at least.
Omni Craig, Kurt Busiek recently introduced the Science Police to Metropolis in the 21st century.
A version of Kid Quantum I (James) shows up as part of the Captain Atom brigade in "Countdown: Arena" #4
Yep. Here's an image of that page (done as a link to avoid bandwidth theft):

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According to writer Keith Champagne "Kid Quantum from Legion is also in there because I’m the world’s biggest Legion fan, as well as a host of others."
Did anyone notice Micro Lad and Atom Girl on the last page of Brave and the Bold no. 9. They are one of the pages, on the creature formed from the pages of the Book.
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Omni Craig, Kurt Busiek recently introduced the Science Police to Metropolis in the 21st century.
Thanks Jorge, I hadn't been following the book enough to notice that. smile
could not find a thread that has collectibles - so here's the link that I thought that you might want to get - JSA Starman action figure in 2009 - here's the link -

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/endel/dc.jpg

enjoy.
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Did anyone notice Micro Lad and Atom Girl on the last page of Brave and the Bold no. 9. They are one of the pages, on the creature formed from the pages of the Book.
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[b] Did anyone notice Micro Lad and Atom Girl on the last page of Brave and the Bold no. 9. They are one of the pages, on the creature formed from the pages of the Book.
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fixed it for you...
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According to writer Keith Champagne "Kid Quantum from Legion is also in there because I’m the world’s biggest Legion fan, as well as a host of others."
James is definitely there.

I don't know who the girl with redpurple hair and gold skin is, but she looks a LOT like Zoe as an Earth protector.

Probably not her though.
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I'm not sure if this is a Legion connection in truth, or just a coincidence of name.

A Leland McCauley appears in this week's Azrael: Death's Dark Knight #1. He seems to be someone of importance in the Order of Purity, a splinter group of the Order of St. Dumas.
I asked Fabian Nicieza about the Leland McCauley appearance over on the DC boards...

ME:
As a Legion of Super Heroes fan, I'm curious about your use of Leland McCauley as a member of the Order of Purity. Was this used as just a throw away name(seeing as he might be dead), or is there intended to be a tie to the 31st century McCauley family and Leland McCauley III?

FABIAN:
That was just a subconscious slip of the lip.

I thought the name McCauley sounding appropriately Anglo-Saxon and the name Leland sounded "old money" to me, but clearly, somewhere in the recesses of my enfeebled mind, my subconscious must have realized it was the Legion name, since I have read the Legion on and off since 1973, it just didn't register as I was writing the script.

-- fabian
Well, even at that there had to be a Leland McCauley and Leland McCauley II somewhere...
anyone else foreseeing christopher kent = as the "superboy" in superboy and the legion?
I dunno about that. You think he might be double dipping?
Not sure if anyone's brought up the Legion stuff appearing in "Supergirl: Cosmic Adventurs in the 8th Grade" , but issues # 3 & 5 have a time travelling Supergirl show up in a Legion belt. In #5 she also has flight ring, and talks about Brainy and how the "team" wanted to call her Andromeda. She also shows up riding Comet.
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Not sure if anyone's brought up the Legion stuff appearing in "Supergirl: Cosmic Adventurs in the 8th Grade" , but issues # 3 & 5 have a time travelling Supergirl show up in a Legion belt. In #5 she also has flight ring, and talks about Brainy and how the "team" wanted to call her Andromeda. She also shows up riding Comet.
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in green lantern 40, THE BOOK OF OA IS HELLA WRITTEN IN INTERLAC!!

i had no idea! i'm staring really hard trying ot read it, i'm usually pretty good at sight-translating it but...

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some of is it "the vega system is no longer outside of the green lantern corps' jurisdiction", of course! i mean the other bits!
Is everyone reading Superman?

It's really good! It's like how Valor might have been if it was done properly the first time.

There's also an exciting appearance from Tellus!

http://bottlecityofkanga.blogspot.com/2009/05/superman-687-one-for-legion-lovers.html
I liked Valor, I have no shame in saying but your other sentiments are mine too!
Superman is great right now. I do have to say i thought the Zero Hour issues were fantastic to finish out the Valor series.
Brave & the Bold #23 has a new Rip Hunter chalkboard with a couple of Legion related entries...

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in green lantern 40, THE BOOK OF OA IS HELLA WRITTEN IN INTERLAC!!

i had no idea! i'm staring really hard trying ot read it, i'm usually pretty good at sight-translating it but...

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It was shown awhile ago that the book of OA is interlac. (which I honestly find weird) The other type is the other "new" laws. There was a clearer shot of the book somewhere, but it's not a surprise - it's exactly what the other three laws are, which the Guardians spelled out as they did the fouth one here. This isn't word for word, but the other laws are:
- lethal force is sanctioned against member of the Sinestro Corps
- lethal force is sanctioned against all enemies of the GLC
- romantic relations within the GLC are forbidden

So, I imagine the left hand page in the image reads: (I'm filling in the blanks where there are brackets)

"[lethal force again]st the [sinestro corps] has be[en] authorized"

"[lethal fo]rce has be[en authorize]d against all [enemies] of the green [lantern corp]s"
Valor was still better than whatever Mon-El is today, even though current version is good too.
Posted By: Yk Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 06/19/09 06:48 PM
I'm not so sure. I really did like the Valor series but it seemed pretty directionless until the build up to Zero Hour. There was quite a bit of construction of a mythos going on and I was eager to see where it might go but Glorith and the Legion took over the series. That's not actually a complaint, mind you, I loved it but it concluded the series and come to think of it concluded the entire DC reboot.
The last half dozen issues were wonderful.
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I'm not so sure. I really did like the Valor series but it seemed pretty directionless until the build up to Zero Hour. There was quite a bit of construction of a mythos going on and I was eager to see where it might go but Glorith and the Legion took over the series. That's not actually a complaint, mind you, I loved it but it concluded the series and come to think of it concluded the entire DC reboot.
The last half dozen issues were wonderful.
I may agree that it was a bit directionless, but character building was much stronger then. Now, it seems all pretty rushed, as most scripts these days seem to be (action-oriented). I think he was more fully conceived by Bob Fleming (and Kurt Busiek) than now.
I'm loving Mon-El and Tellus in Superman, the guardian not so much.

also maybe not DCU 'proper' but Landry Walker has posted concept sketches of Brainiac 5 online had he appeared in Supergirl:Cosmic Adventures in the 8th grade. (Why he didn't is mentioned there although he was mentioned and Supergirl wore her Legion ring and belt from issue 3)Also some Streaky the Super-Cat

http://xray-studios.livejournal.com/50394.html
Legion, specifically Karate Kid gets a mention in Wednesday's comics, the Teen Titan strip.

It say KK in a brainwashed state had taken on the Trident costume.

Did this really happen? I must have missed that story.

This would be the first reference in Wednesday's comics to traditional DC Universe, at least that I've noticed.
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Legion, specifically Karate Kid gets a mention in Wednesday's comics, the Teen Titan strip.

It say KK in a brainwashed state had taken on the Trident costume.

Did this really happen? I must have missed that story.

This would be the first reference in Wednesday's comics to traditional DC Universe, at least that I've noticed.
This happened in Justive League 1-4 & 7, in the run up to the Lightning Saga
Why in the world would the Wednesday Comics Teen Titans strip mention that KK was disguised as Trident? How did that even come up??
Because Trident is the villian in the strip.
Hey guys, guess where Jeckie is.
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Who is that?
She's one of the members of the Science Police we've seen in Superman, Wilcox.

But obviously that's a certain princess who snapped a certain douchebag's neck for killing her husband.
No, no, right; it was the Wilcox answer I was looking for.
I know. I just wanted to type the second sentence for the fun of it.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 10/01/09 02:59 AM
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But obviously that's a certain princess who snapped a certain douchebag's neck for killing her husband.
Her name 'Wilcox' is vaguely reminiscent of all those names she had in the threeboot (Wilhemina Vauxhall, etc, etc). Chemistry Teacher Lad's civilian name is also evocative of his Tromnian name.

I wonder if any other Legionnaires in the 21st century have hints buried in their names?


The above reminder of her killing Nemesis Kid also makes me wonder if Nemmy had a family somewhere. We know he came from an 'alchemy planet,' and is the only person we've seen from there, which opens up the possibility that, before his fall from grace, he was a world's champion, like Shadow Lass...
I knw that Brainy mourned Supergirl 1000 years after she died but mourning someone 1000 years before they are born is pretty weird.

Obviously Jeckie knows Mon is not dead. Presumably she (and the others) are there to rescue him?

From an AR perspective all Wilcox appearnces are now Jeckie appearances.
wasn't it great to see her?????i just have a gut fan boy feeling that this is so much of a set up to something so big in the legion universe.

wonder if there's a harper somewhere in the legion time.

oh another thing...isn't it interesting that the legion sci cops when they were first created.

oh yeah this jeckie revelation totally confirms my suspicion that our waiter friend is Cham!!!!
That revelation came as quite a jolt! Not a long-lasting one, since several other Legionnaires have been revealed as currently in the 21st century. Let's see... Jeckie, Tellus, Element Lad, Starman, apparently Dream Girl... I'm seeing Cham around every potted plant. Infectious Lass from the Dr. 13 story (though I'll have to see it explicitly linked up to 'current' LSH storytelling to accept that one).

Who's left from that 'missing grouping' from LO3W?

Matter-Eater Lad and Tyroc. Is that it?

I'm eager to see the purpose behind all of this, assuming there is one beyond 'get them out of Absorbancy Boy's range'.

Sad to see Jeckie referring to herself as widow once again, isn't it? Especially because we really didn't get to see her with Val at all. I wonder if there's any chance that whatever brought him back before the Lightning Saga will work/be used again?

Giffen's little opposite-of-crush seems so petty, doesn't it?
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Who's left from that 'missing grouping' from LO3W?

Matter-Eater Lad and Tyroc. Is that it?
Also Quislet. And, you know, Magnetic Kid, if you have him as a Legionnaire.
So if I want to keep up with all the Legionnaires scattered about the 21st century, I want to read, what, Superman? Not Action? Please advise.
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So if I want to keep up with all the Legionnaires scattered about the 21st century, I want to read, what, Superman? Not Action? Please advise.
Yeah, it looks like the main 21st Century Legion storylines will be taking place in Superman. Pretty much just keep an eye on whatever James Robinson is writing. Tellus showed up in the Guardian one-shot Robinson wrote. Robinson is also taking over JLA soon and Mon-El will be a member, but who knows if he's going to put any Legion plots in there.

Other than that, Adventure Comics (at least until Geoff leaves) and random Mon-El appearances in other Superman-related books.
Sorry, I just got that issue and hinted at those pages on another thread, about Mon.

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I should have known that wouldn't get by anyone!
Oh, and on another note:

Cryo King said to look for LSV characters in the past, as well.

And I still think Cham might be the Despero that is talking to Edge.
The real one was killed by Starro recently.
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Oh, and on another note:

Cryo King said to look for LSV characters in the past, as well.

And I still think Cham might be the Despero that is talking to Edge.
The real one was killed by Starro recently.
that's what I have been trying to ask on this thread and no one seems to be interested in speculating this -

http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000575
Yes, of course we are interested.

It's just unexpected and a little overwhelming because now we have to search everything all over again.

Sun Girl, you say?
And yes, Geoff could have very well have planned her appearance long ago.

The problem now is, will any of the 'fill-ins' and then Levitz follow up on any of this ground work that Johns worked so hard and long to put in place?
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. . . From an AR perspective all Wilcox appearnces are now Jeckie appearances.
One sighting ~ in Superman #690, Guardian gives Wilcox a team leadership because even when she was off duty, she captured a villianess, Carnivore, using the chain of her handbag.

She got highlighted in 2 panels.

Also, in that issue, not only did Tellus turn back Ion, keeping him from meeting Lar, but he gave Tellus memory crystals to give to Lar about Daxam.

Tellus swore to give them to Lar.

(Forgive me if this last part has been recorded here before, I haven't had time to go back too many pages, yet.)
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Now which issue is that? Superman #691 or #692? Which one do I have to hunt down? smile
#692. The current issue reveals another Legionnaire. Mon's friend Mitch isn't who he appeared to be.
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#692. The current issue reveals another Legionnaire. Mon's friend Mitch isn't who he appeared to be.
who??? Chameleon? Tenzil?? Tyroc? smile do tell us!!
You were right the second time.
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Tenzil. He eats a car!</span></span>
lol lol lol really? oh boy can't wait to get that book next week from the mail. lol lol lol
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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Tenzil. He eats a car!</span></span>
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Right he is. You can't find something healthier for dinner at the beginning of the 21th century than a car . Imagine he would have eaten a burger or chickenwings. Unbelievable!</span></span>
I hope they don't send Porcupine Pete, the moment he arrives he will die out. Welcome to the wonderfull 21th century, you Legionnaires!
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Then he got tired of eating cars and eating bars, and now he only eats guitars.</span></span>
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ROFL !!!!! lol lol lol lol
Jamal igle has a video interview here
http://www.ustownhall.com/USTH-RealStories-Igle02.html
about Legion (especially Brainiac 5's) role in Supergirl coming up
Hey guys, did anyone pick up this week's issue of Justice Society?

A certain merciless magician showed up.
Posted By: Vee Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 12/25/09 12:11 AM
Yep, he sure did. Mordru the Merciless is in the 21st Century.

And who do you think it was in the latest issue of Superman that slept with Lar? Say's "Once you have Dax you never go bax." I have to assume that it's Tasmia in disguise.
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And who do you think it was in the latest issue of Superman that slept with Lar? Say's "Once you have Dax you never go bax." I have to assume that it's Tasmia in disguise.
Or maybe it's one of the LSV espionage people who are supposedly in the 21st century. Do any of them have a Daxamite fetish?
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Do any of them have a Daxamite fetish?
Who doesn't?
They revealed another Legionnaire in today's Superman.

And she was really a he, if he get my drift.
Hint:

Lovey Dovey.
chameleon boy?
Yyyyyep.
confused

<strike>I need to get more sleep.</strike>

I need to demand more work hours at my lousy job so I can buy comic books <strike>and then fall asleep reading them</strike>.

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I think he might have a new costume, but I can't tell because he's only partly in his transformation of his regular self. The rest of it's Control.
[scribbles in notebook]

<strike>Will this be on the exam?</strike>

sigh

I'm supposed to know what "Control" is, right? Unless by "she" you mean Janet Jackson.

[brain breaks in half and rolls under the desk]
The Science Police's Control. The woman who worked behind the monitors. Some thought she was Dream Girl.

http://BlondTheColorist.deviantart.com/art/Superman-695-p10-11-148907078
Thanks!

<span style="font-size: 10px;">That dress looks like something they'd hawk where I work. All it needs is one sparkle on the end of each sleeve and some cheeseball inspirational phrase in cursive over the left collarbone.</span>
didnt control have 3 duplicates? i thought it was gonna turn out to be Lu. And are we sure its not Yera?
In "Supergirl", it looks like Lana's going to be getting her Insect Queen on ....
We kind of knew the IQ was coming!
I'm excited.
I really like this Lana!
I've been getting Superman for the build up and reveals of Legionnaires, but am not 100% sure of what is going on. I'll be glad when the big event happens.
Hm, I also was quite certain that "control" (whoever that is supposed to be) was Yera... looked quite female to me. But I probably have to reread the whole Johns Legion and Adventure and Superman before the crossover starts in April/May, I'm a little bit lost...
Hey guys! Guess who Tim Seeley drew Val going up against?

http://ColtNoble.deviantart.com/art/Zealot-vs-Karate-Kid-Commish-153392325
nice.
The coloring of the uniform and hair of the "female" side made me think of Shrinking Violet, but the other half looked like Cham. I think it was just supposed to be Cham mid-shift (but if he was unconscious, wouldn't he revert to his actual Durlan shape, not the one they use when they go "off-planet" or whatever they once said...)
Actually, I noticed that one of his legs have transformed into his uniform.
It was finally revealed in Action #886 that Mirabai's homeworld is The Sorcerer's World.
Yes, and a great rendition of it, too.
Earlier, when Johns began JSA, the Mordru stories, he had the Gem World mostly destroyed by that boy wizard and his familiar.
I'm glad that DC has resurrected it, dragons and all.

Now, if we could just find Amy.
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did you guys see what's the latest news on DC the Source? They show the Legion - only a hand with *TWO* rings - one is a Legion Flight ring AND one is a GREEN LANTERN ring!!!! whoa about time we have a green lantern member in Legion. can't wait...gonna be very interesting to see how Paul Levitz will write...especially that he wrote LSH #295..the one story that revealed why GL were banned on Earth. oh boy, can't wait!!!
Preview of Superman #697 out this week:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/02/22/%e2%80%98man-of-valor%e2%80%99-continues-in-superman-697/
Y'know, I remember people expressing irritation with the little balloon-panel things that show up to remind new readers of the characters' names (ie-- the Waid/Kitson run).

However, those actually make more sense to me than having the leader of the spy org essentially tell his opponents, Oh, by the way, here's my real name and the name of the spy org I'm in, just for future reference.

Uh, the pages look really nice, though. I have to nitpick like this to allay my frustration at being flat broke. Never mind. Talk amongst y'selves.

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Preview of Superman #697 out this week:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/02/22/%e2%80%98man-of-valor%e2%80%99-continues-in-superman-697/
QUISLET!!!!!!!! QUISLET!!!!! QUISLET!!!! yeahhhhhh, nice to see the lovable engine ship back again!!! and talks too! Ah....you have been missed sorely, after all. smile
Aw yeah, Quislet!
SIGHS ...ANYONE WHO'S NOT EXCITED BY THE 'ORIGINAL' LEGION BEING BACK CAN with respect suck it smile QUISLET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way who's left to be found in the 21st century? Dream Girl & Tyroc?
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I'm a happy camper.
The comments about the artists? I didn't follow. Why the kvetching? It's beautiful!

Something else else about the drawing of Cham made me for the first time draw a parallel between John Jonzz' two "human" forms and Chams'. I think it was the shiney forehead that did it. I think I'd like to see Cham alternate more between this and his tribal form, though I suppose message board analism would require at least 3 threads as to why he defaulted to the more human form when injured.

ps: I don't think the writer has really found Quislet's "voice." Not the words I'd imagine for Quiz, riding to the rescue. Something else else a bit more self-centered, than introductory.
LOL maybe Quis learned from his gossiping behind Dream Girl's back?
Re: Element Lad's appearance on the last page: I know that the "coming this year" page in Adventure Comics # 1 pretty much made it obvious that Jan is Connor's chemistry teacher (or some such), but was it ever "properly" revealed on-panel the way Jeckie's, Cham's, Tenzil's and Quislet's were?
<span style="font-size: 50px;">QUISLET!!!</span>
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...I suppose message board analism [sic] would require at least 3 threads as to why he defaulted to the more human form when injured...
Yeah, but it keeps us away from those awful online slot machines, so ppppppphhhttt!!
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I was really let down by this issue. Other than the reveal pages NC shows above, noting happened. Even worse it was almost intentionally circular. Legion reveals itself, incapacitates Mon-El and takes off because he can't see them yet. Superboy shows up and asks Mon to come to Smallville to meet the same Legionnaires who just avoided him. And, um, that's it?

I'll be really glad when Robinson hands the team over to Levitz, because I'd rather watch paint dry than read his Mon-el, which is saying a lot because he's one of my favourite Legionnaires.
It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.

Other than that...it is so cool to see them all back in action.

One questions though...when did Tenzil join the Espionage Squad?
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One questions though...when did Tenzil join the Espionage Squad?
He's an obvious choice to send back anonymously to the 21st century, what with all the drive-by haircuts going on. Nobody's going to sneak up on Tenz and break scissors on HIS hair!
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Easy, boy.[/b]
Ah...he's just going to be impossible to live with now. wink
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 02/26/10 02:54 PM
Welcome to the 'Legionnaires Johns wasn't using for Lo3W team.'

We've got Chameleon Boy, who would have been redundant, since he was using Chameleon Girl.

We've got Matter-Eater Lad, Tellus and Quislet, who are complete strangers to the Espionage Squad team, or, in the latter two cases, the very concepts of duplicity or subtlety. Next we'll see the Legion Diplomatic Squad, starring Wiiiiildfire, Angry Loner Wolf, Petulant Brainiac and the chemically-unbalanced version of Garth... Oh, sorry, my eyes just rolled completely out of my head there.

We've got Element Lad, who would have messed everything up, since he's the Legionnaire most able to snuff Prime like a candle (by turning him into a wet warm puff of hydrogen gas, or something) and most dramatically famous for ending an invasion of 10,000 Kryptonian-level Daxamites with a wave of his hand.

Which leaves of with Star Boy, who he actually had real plans for! Freakish, I know. Also, since he's become schizophrenic and apparently unable to communicate effectively, or hold a train of thought for more than a moment, he's just *perfect* for a team based on infiltration, subtlety, calculated deception and vital intelligence-gathering! (Oh wait, perhaps... not?)

And Jeckie, who was actually involved in the action in Lightning Saga and Legion of Three Worlds, appearing to teleport back to the future, but apparently not doing so, or, perhaps she's joined Tinya in the 'retconned into secretly being a Carggite' category and has selves in both the 21st and 31st centuries?

Of them, Jeckie seems like the best bet to become a members of the new Espionage Squad, in temperament, as well as abilities.

What a strange, eclectic and somewhat inappropriate group to be calling themselves the Espionage Squad...

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[QB] It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.
I could grow to like the gold thingie on her head, and the funky hip-boots with Cockrum-esque curliques, but the eyeholes in the mask are even worse than the boob-hole.

Wow, way to mess up the flow of her lines completely! Complete feng shui fail!
Boobhole.

"Go stick it in your boobhole."

Thank you.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 02/26/10 03:15 PM
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Boobhole.
"Go stick it in your boobhole."
Could also be used in phrases like, 'Shut your boobhole, you!' 'Man, he was such a boobhole last night, I don't know why you put up with his boobishness!'
Go blow it out your boobhole!
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"Go stick it in your boobhole!"

"Go blow it out your boobhole!"

You guys are so angling to be the first ticket in the next LMB election, aren't you?

Well, you can have my endorsement. No sense in wasting time.
If nominated, I will not run, if elected I will not serve.

I think I heard that somewhere.
You should at least agree to naked-thumb wrestle* Set for the Leader spot before you withdraw from the race. That's the kind of spectacle that always brings in the paying crowds.

*<span style="font-size: 11px;">Only your thumbs have to be naked. You can keep the rest covered if you want.</span>
What about the other guy?
Well, it wouldn't be a fair fight if only one person's thumbs were au naturel, would it?
Can't we just shoot each other like they did in the olden days?
Only with Super-Soakers.
So I bought this M80 off of eBay for nothing?!

Oh well, I guess I can save it for brother's report card day if he gets a bad grade in Spanish.
I always thought the Espionage Squad could include whoever Cham (or Lyle or Jacques or probably Tinya or Vi, too) decided was needed for a mission. Ayla and Shady and Luornu have been members for a mission here and there, though I wouldn't think of them as full-fledged Espionage Squadders. Well, maybe Lu.

So, I don't think that these are necessarily the 'new' Legion Espionage Squad members. Though Jeckie and Tellus would make perfect additions. This Jan's got that detective streak, remember. Personal attainments/talents other than powers might be reasons to induct a Legionnaire. Who knows how Tenzil's developed in this timeline since the last time 'we' knew him? That would be- what- just after he was cured of his madness?

And Quislet always did go wherever he wanted. I can well imagine him just showing up and announcing "I'm in the Squad, too!" out of the blue.

Tyroc and Dream Girl are still missing, I see. At least from the cover and from the end of Superman's most recent issue.
No one's mentioned Cham's uniform, I don't think. I like what we can see of it on that last page. It harkens back to his ADVENTURE uniform quite a bit.

Matter-Eater Lad has apparently changed his shirt between issues.

Sensor Girl... oy. From the neck down, it's OK. Even the boob window (I prefer peekaboob)- this *is* Projectra after all.

One of the following elements could stay-- high collar, mask, crown. The rest have got to go.

Not fond of the blonde hair, either. Have we seen Jeckie in this version with her head bare, wearing her hair naturally? I don't have a memory as to its length or style. I think she should go with that. Unless there's some reason we don't know about to preserve her anonymity when with the LSH. Which wouldn't apply in the 21st century, anyway. Or at least not without a heck of a story behind.
Sensor Girl: the whole uniform is a tremendous step down for me, distractingly so. The boob window beyond stupid.
For Jeckie - Remover the mask and cover the boob window and it might be passable. The tiara thingie might be okay if it wasn't for the mask.
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No one's mentioned Cham's uniform, I don't think...
No news is good news? wink

I like it. I've always preferred to see costumes that are uncomplicated and that don't leave acres of skin exposed-- no matter who's wearing them. The colors are good, too.
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No news is good news? wink

yeah especially With Tyroc and Dream Girl....
I like Chams new outfit at this point...from what we've seen. Practical, functional, and looks like clothing more than sprayed on latex.
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Legion reveals itself, incapacitates Mon-El and takes off because he can't see them yet. Superboy shows up and asks Mon to come to Smallville to meet the same Legionnaires who just avoided him. And, um, that's it?
You realise there's a few weeks between the two scenes you mentioned?
Between the Legion revealing themselves and Superboy showing up, it's mentioned that Mon joins the Justice League.
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No news is good news? wink

yeah especially With Tyroc and Dream Girl.... [/b]
Huh. Dream Girl has always been one of my favorite characters. I have no idea whether Levitz has any plans for Tyroc, but it would be cool if he did. I always thought the character had a lot of potential, and that the explanation that voice powers don't make for good writing in a soundless medium was... pretty damn silly.
Anyone notice the name of the Gotham City art dealer murdered by an Azrael in the Batman titles? One Leland MacCauley...
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Anyone notice the name of the Gotham City art dealer murdered by an Azrael in the Batman titles? One Leland MacCauley...
Discussed in this very thread
Jeckie's costume changed in the weeks after their reveal to Lar.

In the Smallville meeting, she has red sleeves and forearm gloves. The cape collar is smaller and those garter looking discs on her thighs are a silvery blue rather than gold. The area on her chest looks different, too. It's black rather than white.

I personally, like the crown but I don't see why she would have it if she's still hiding her identity as Projectra for her power's sake.
Don't hide it and then allude to it, at the same time.

I've ALWAYS hated the red and white mask, all the way back to when she originally had it.
Her mouth and chin should be uncovered, at the very least, imo.
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I always thought the character had a lot of potential, and that the explanation that voice powers don't make for good writing in a soundless medium was... pretty damn silly.
The main problem with Tyroc was the deux ex machina aspect of his power. Banshee of the X-men also had sound based powers and seems a little bit more believable, at least to me. Ditto Black Canary's canary cry.
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I agree, Quis. But a skilled writer can "power down" the character to avoid that kind of problem. Happens all the time.
well Tyroc was pretty written well somehow just before the Zero Hour....too bad they did not spotlight his last showcase. frown

just like Mysa as Jewel where she said "final farewell and being free of Mordru.".
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/01/10 07:54 AM
If Tyroc's powers were transitioned from purely sonic screams to more vibrational manipulations, it would make sense that he could generate a 'sonic' attack that set something on fire, or caused it to freeze solid, or made it explode into little pieces, by running up and down the vibrational frequencies until he hit the right tone or whatever.

But he'd still be not very useful in space.

Technically, Polar Boy's ability to generate intense cold and freeze moisture in the air should be equally useless in space, and Sun Boy shouldn't be able to generate flame, with nothing to burn in the interstellar vacuum (and I suspect that Lightning Lad might not be able to fling lightning without atmosphere to contain the ion trail, and we won't even get into how useless Cosmic Boy would be in a future were 99% of the local materials aren't ferromagnetic...), but it seems that the Legionnaire's powers generally just 'work in space,' whether they should or not.

Actually, I'd be fine with one or more Legionnaires being unable to use their powers in space. It's about time that Saturn Girl got company in the 'crap, it's robots, I wish I had a gun!' sub-Legion of characters whose powers don't *always* work.
Fighting in space really isn't something that the Legion does very often, anyway.
They mostly just travel through it from one place to another.

I think sound manipulation is a wonderful power.
Supergirl stopped seismic powers with a whistle and Conner called Krypto with one.

Heck, my TOOTHBRUSH knocks the cilia/flagella off the bacteria in my mouth.

They've had sonic showers on Star Trek for ages.

A lot of things can be done with sound without having the power level be on a Blackbolt level.
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It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.
I couldn't agree more. I'm amazed there isn't more outrage about it.

In fact, I think I'm going to go off and outrage about it right now.

Seriously, it's the product of a troubled mind.
My theory is that Tyroc's power works by controlling the vibrations of superstrings .
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It's about time that Saturn Girl got company in the 'crap, it's robots, I wish I had a gun!' sub-Legion of characters whose powers don't *always* work.
But if they brought back Computo II, she and Saturn Girl could have a blast taking down robots with mental powers "translated" into robot-speak. Sort of like the Night Girl-Shadow Lass thing.

ComputoII SaturnGirl
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My theory is that Tyroc's power works by controlling the vibrations of superstrings .
Interesting.
But, I'll have to really look at it when I'm more awake and a little smarter.
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But I'm all for the idea of Tyroc manipulating superstring vibrations.
Except, wouldn't that have some pretty far reaching effects, as opposed to him just manipulating air waves?
Just asking.
Two words-- "Chemical King".
I was actually thinking DnA-era Kid Quantum II. It basically explains his Deus ex Machina level powers. But it also fits very well with his most commonly depicted abilities, such as teleportation/inter-dimensional travel.
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[b] It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.
I couldn't agree more. I'm amazed there isn't more outrage about it.

In fact, I think I'm going to go off and outrage about it right now.

Seriously, it's the product of a troubled mind.[/b]
*giggle!*
As I've said about Jeckie before:

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I was actually thinking DnA-era Kid Quantum II. It basically explains his Deus ex Machina level powers. But it also fits very well with his most commonly depicted abilities, such as teleportation/inter-dimensional travel.
Hmmm. I was angling more for 'writers who didn't create him don't use him, then kill him off' than any real power-comparison. As in 'be careful what you wish for."
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[b]Poor Jeckie... first she was rebooted as a snake, now she's been rebooted as a cougar!
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Have we established the actual ages of the retroboot Legionnaires?
I don't know how one can be a 'cougar' in your middle 20's!
I mean, without being a pedophile.

(Yeah, yeah, just sort of kidding.)
Anyone else confused by the depiction of Quislet's power here? It looked like telekinesis (Tellus's thing) when - if I remember correctly - Quislet used to bloop into things, animate them and then they would dissipate once he blooped out again.
Maybe its an upgrade...
I chalk it up to writer totally unfamiliar with the character.
Sterling Gates and James Robinson have an interview on CBR about their Last Stand of New Krypton story that features the Legion:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25173

Near the end they talk about writing the Legion and Gates says the "ultimate Brainiac vs. Brainiac 5 battle of wits" will be in Supergirl #52 along with interesting interactions between Supergirl and Brainy.
The Last Stand of New Krypton #1


Best line comes from Starman: "The Legion of what? I thought we were the Planeteers." <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Well, the Legionnaires do not show up until about half way through or so. Then they do not do much before Supergirl leaves them in the capable hands of Zod. Who promptly plans to have them arrested. I have not read the New Krypton stuff, but I wonder why Kara would trust Zod so much. </span></span>
Because, . . . <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">. . . the Kryptonians on New Krypton see him as their hero and returned him to the head of their military and protector of their new home.

Kara's had a year of him playing the good guy.</span></span>
Thanks Darlin. That makes more sense now.
I wonder what other cities the Legion was refering to when they said they needed to free them and set history right, the future depends on it (or something to that effect)? Brainiac has these "bottled" cities hidden somewhere? Which cities(worlds?) are they??
I'm a bit confused. Someone please clarify.
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I wonder what other cities the Legion was refering to when they said they needed to free them and set history right, the future depends on it (or something to that effect)? Brainiac has these "bottled" cities hidden somewhere? Which cities(worlds?) are they??
I'm a bit confused. Someone please clarify.
I think this refered to the list of planets from Adventure Comics #8 that Brainiac is said to have destroyed. Among them are important Legion worlds like Durla I, Rimbor and Imsk. Like the Kryptonian city of Kandor, Brainiac shrunk down one city to keep that civilization's "knowledge" for himself. Whenever we see inside Brainiac's ship, there's tons of bottled cities. The Legion mission will be to get those bottled cities and restore them to the places they'll be in the future, which will preserve the timeline.
We also know of Braal, Winath, and Tharr from Action #872.
Many of the cities, like Kandor, come from worlds that weren't destroyed, the cities were just taken.

And I'm not sure that the Legion is the one that's going to seed the planets or return the cities to their homes.

The seeding of worlds was a Valor project in the last few boots.
They were taken from the Dominators human experiments where they were given powers that translated into Legionnaires by the 31th century.

It looks like DC wants to replace that concept, having destroyed the Dominator home world and society in dotREBELS, with the bottled worlds of Brainiac.
At least, that's how I'm reading it for now.

I don't see New Krypton staying where it is now or with it's aimlessnes as a society remaining long.

I can see them being designated by the worlds that their currently causing trouble with - Thanagar, Strange's new home world for the Rann survivors, etc., to go seed the worlds over the next 1000 years.

But I could be wrong.
It's been known to happen.
In Supergirl #51 the Legion are nothing more than glorified extras. It was also hard to believe that the Kandorians could get the upper hand on them so quickly, especially since they had a bit of time to see it coming.
I hope the next insallment of this Brainiac saga is better.
Only one and a half months left until the Legion's regular title starts ... can't wait!
Yeah- it was a rare moment of truth in comic book advertising when DC dropped the 'Brainiac and the Legion of Super-Heroes' title from this storyline. I was set to write CALLING THE ROLL for the Superman/Action/Supergirl stories, but aside from ADVENTURE, they haven't really done anything worth noting. Maybe I'll reread the first batch of issues at the end of March and see if there's a CTR to be culled from the story at that point.
Yeah, Mystery Lad, the Legionnaires were just props in the Supergirl book. And unfortunately, goofy Thom was the only one who was given any personality. I'll be glad when he gets back to the 31st century and gets his meds.
Yeah, I'm hoping the Legion gets more focus when Brainy and his group enter the story (which looks to be during the April issues of the crossover).
Me too Haggard Lad.
If this was Hollywood then this week's issue of Supergirl just featured the Legion as background 'extras' for the story.
I wonder if they were paid base for their appearance. LOL
You know what they should do with Kandor? Put it on Daxam! Let them interbreed and maybe reduce some of that lead-vulnerability.
I think the Supergirl issue was nothing more than connective tissue in the storyline. It served to connect the capture of Superman with Mon-El's liberation attempt in the next part. Remember, this is the Supergirl part not the Legion part. As the Alex Ross homage at the end showed, they were there to place Supergirl among their ranks for the reader. The story in the issue was sparse but its importance really depends on where Supergirl and the espionage squad go from here.

By the way, I'm another one confused by the re-titling of the storyline. Although I could understand if the title switches once the emphasis is taken from the attack on New Krypton to the Legion vs Brainiac.
Well I just picked up Superman #698 which was the continuation of the Brainiac/New Krypton story and, guess what? Not only weren't the Legion in this entire issue but there was not even a mention of them (except for Tellus)!
Was a waste ... and here I was hoping for my weekly Legion fix. Boooo to the writers!
I too hate how the Legion has been relegated to background characters. For crying out loud, Element Lad alone could turn all the buildings around them to kryptonite or Gold-freakin'-K and this battle's over. Quislet could sweep the room jumping from Brainiac-Terminator to Brainiac-Terminators and they'd all crumble to dust, then everyone could go back to the 31st C and star in their own book again. smile
future king,

I think you're forgetting a Legionnaire in Superman #698. He was just in the book for a page or two so you might've missed him... Mon-El. smile
He's not a member yet.

I agree with future king & Omni Craig. This storyline is the same crap we've been enduring since the Lightning Saga. The Legion are treated as background characters. "Brainiac and the Legion Of Super-Heroes?!?"

How does anyone think they will capture new readers interest with characterizations like this?
Here's hoping that the Adventure issues at least have the Legion in them.
What I don't understand is this (recent? maybe not) tendency to expand stories that could be told in one issue into three or more. I understand that they make more money this way, but it really annoys readers. Or at least this reader. It took me about three seconds to read this last issue of Superman. Where is the beef?, I say. I really prefer my comics to have content...
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Where is the beef?, I say. I really prefer my comics to have content...
Your question makes me smile, Doc One: I think that its a very Canadian quotation. smile For the benefit of our non-Canadian readers, Doc's reference comes from a 1980's Wendy's commercial in which an old lady asks the very same question. What she meant was that there wasn't enough content--in her case, beef in a sandwich--that she was trying to enjoy. Very cool question, Doc One. nod
The commercial was widely popular in the U.S. as well. Didn't Mondale or somebody later use it during a Presidential campaign?
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He's not a member yet.
So what? He's still a Legion character and he's been featured in the Superman book for a year.

This crossover seems to be telling multiple stories at once. This Superman issue focused on Mon-El in the 21st Century and Brainiac & Luthor's plans. In a crossover with multiple stories, they unfortunately can't cover all the stories in each issue.
I enjoyed Superman #698 greatly for what it was - a showcase for Superman and Mon-el to demonstrate what makes them the heroes they are. But I can understand why those who might've gone into the issue hoping for some Legion-goodness would be disappointed.

But still, I enjoyed it. And the Koko scenes were ace!
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[b] Where is the beef?, I say. I really prefer my comics to have content...
Your question makes me smile, Doc One: I think that its a very Canadian quotation. smile For the benefit of our non-Canadian readers, Doc's reference comes a 1980's Wendy's commercial in which an old lady asks the very same question. What she meant was that there wasn't enough content--in her case, beef in a sandwich--that she was trying to enjoy. Very cool question, Doc One. nod [/b]
You know that you are getting old when your slang comes from commercials from the 80's... frown
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The commercial was widely popular in the U.S. as well. Didn't Mondale or somebody later use it during a Presidential campaign?
Y'know, that rings a bell, too. But I could've sworn at some point that I saw a tv news magazine piece that said the comercial--or maybe the old lady who appeared in it--originated in British Columbia or Alberta.

Ah, well, my memory is increasingly becoming a very fuzzy thing--too many Wendy's burgers, I suppose. wink
The recent Superman issue had Tellus very importantly in it as well.
He was just thought bubbles, but they were essential thought bubbles.

I loved that Lar is being set up as the hero of the future seeded worlds even though he may not actually be around to do the seeding.
It certainly relates him back to not one but two past DC epics/boots.

I'm really interested to see which world of telepaths it is who was using Tellus to contact Lar.

I was also glad to see Lar realize his place in future history and loved him burning Lex, just a little.

Anyway, Lar IS Legion, to me and I love his spotlighted year in the DCU.
SUPERMAN #698: Wow, I loved that pin-up page of Mon-el holding the bottled city of telepaths after fighting off four groups of aliens who fought for Brainiac in return for dispensations for their own bottled cities.

It's the first time I liked his new uniform, but it's mainly his expression of determination that I really appreciate.

Have any of the named alien groups- the Ulla, the Laroo, the Trago or the Raagin- appeared before in DC stories? They're unfamiliar to me.

What's up with the baboon Kokos? Has this Brainiac always had baboon 'sidekicks'? Their inclusion with the bottled cities had me experiencing LSH boot dissonance. I kept thinking of the world the reboot Koko was left on- it was a jungley planet where he was shown becoming a leader of primates. A reality and 1,000 years away- so not remotely likely that reboot Koko's little fiefdom would wind up in one of Brainiac's bottles. I know that- but I still kept thinking of it. It distracted me from the rest of the issue, as a matter of fact.

It was worth rereading, though- even with the lamentable lack of LSH characters in a storyline that was once called 'Brainiac and the Legion of Super-Heroes'. Thank space they didn't retain that tag, as DC'd be guilty of falsity in advertising. Not exactly an unfamiliar charge for them to face.

Brainiac's little black speedo worn over his tights makes me giggle. It's probably a dark reflection of Superman's 'underwear worn outside his clothes' style that nontraditionalist fanboys love to complain about (have these people seen old circus costumes and are they aware that *that's* what Superman's costume is based on?).
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Have any of the named alien groups- the Ulla, the Laroo, the Trago or the Raagin- appeared before in DC stories? They're unfamiliar to me.

What's up with the baboon Kokos? Has this Brainiac always had baboon 'sidekicks'? Their inclusion with the bottled cities had me experiencing LSH boot dissonance. I kept thinking of the world the reboot Koko was left on- it was a jungley planet where he was shown becoming a leader of primates. A reality and 1,000 years away- so not remotely likely that reboot Koko's little fiefdom would wind up in one of Brainiac's bottles. I know that- but I still kept thinking of it. It distracted me from the rest of the issue, as a matter of fact.
Those races make up Ultra, the Muti-Alien's body.

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The commercial was widely popular in the U.S. as well. Didn't Mondale or somebody later use it during a Presidential campaign?
In the race for the Democratic nomination in 1984, Walter Modale (Veep under Carter) was being challenged by Sen. Gary Hart (CO) who promised "new ideas." Mondale questioned the substance of Hart's nonspecific "new ideas" and pinched the phrase from a popular Wendy's commercial. This proved that Mondale was young and hip and watched TV like the rest of us. Yeah! He got the nomination and was wiped out in the Reagan landslide.
Nothing says "young and hip" like stealing catch-phrases from old ladies! wink
Thanks for posting that Nighty! You know, I don't think I've ever read any of Ultra, the Multi-Alien's features before.

I used to dislike the character because I felt he "stole" Mystery in Space from Adam Strange, who was a favorite of mine. But I have to admit, I find the above pretty groovy!

As for recent Legion stuff in the Superman titles--its pretty good but they're obviously "guest-stars" to the fullest extent, taking a backseat to Superman, Supergirl, Superboy and Mon-El. I really am looking forward to a full-length Legion issue sometime soon where the Legion-ness of the Legion is front and center.
Wow, Robinson even makes Quislet boring (and what's with "Mistress"? He sounds more like K-9 from Dr. Who?):

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/04/01/brainiac-ups-the-ante-in-last-stand-of-new-krypton-2/
Sheesh, that's bad Quislet dialogue writing!
He sounds like a 50's robot. Throwing in the word "fun" doesn't count as characterization.


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I think rouge hit it on the head with K-9. Note the "my sensors" stuff as well.
Poor Quislet....I guess it would be too much to hope this is deliberate characterisation, and maybe the hivemind of Teall did something to him before he escaped back to the Legion? Aside from the really jarring bad dialogue, his powers aren't exactly like they were either... :\
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What's up with the baboon Kokos? Has this Brainiac always had baboon 'sidekicks'? Their inclusion with the bottled cities had me experiencing LSH boot dissonance. I kept thinking of the world the reboot Koko was left on- it was a jungley planet where he was shown becoming a leader of primates. A reality and 1,000 years away- so not remotely likely that reboot Koko's little fiefdom would wind up in one of Brainiac's bottles. I know that- but I still kept thinking of it. It distracted me from the rest of the issue, as a matter of fact.
Before Brainiac 5's Koko, the Silver Age Brainiac had a little pet alien monkey who was also named Koko (I believe)
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Poor Quislet....I guess it would be too much to hope this is deliberate characterisation, and maybe the hivemind of Teall did something to him before he escaped back to the Legion? Aside from the really jarring bad dialogue, his powers aren't exactly like they were either... :\
If anyone has read The Last Stand of New Krypton #2 you'll see that Sensor Girl/Projectra sounds a bit off in her dialogue as well. She addresses Superman as "Supes" at one point. This is far too casual sounding from someone of her past royal stature.
LSoNK #2 was better than the last few installments. Legion wise, and moving the story along wise.

Major plusses for me:

Braniac 5 is here, although...why not bring some power houses with him? Looking forward to the Brainy/Kara thing. Whould be uncomofrtably fun.

Jeckie loosing her mask/tiara combo. Saying that she was only wearing it because it felt appropriate...wonder if all the negative feedback on the net had any play in that?

It's getting closer to being done, and then we get our Legion back 2 (3 times for 2 months with the B&tB issues) monthly.
What's up with the 2 whole pages of them walking through that hallway in Braniac's ship??
I haven't read it yet, but I would guess part of stretching the story for the trade.
The story itself is dragging on a bit for my tastes ... get in Brainiac's ship and get those damned bottled cities out of there already!!

I wish they would speed things up a bit. It's one thing for DC to gain sales by doing a cross-over series between different books but let's not BORE the readers in the process.
I read the first five installments of LSoNW yesterday, and I have to say that the story grows on me. At the beginning, I thought that the story was - at best - average and started to get worried for this new/old Legion cause I did not think they were portrayed in a way that people would get more interested in the Legion. The way that they let themselves get captured by the Kryptonians so easily in spite of powerful members like Element Lad and Starman was disappointing to me. The artwork was also just average, not bad, but not special either.

The last issue of Adventure and #2 of the mini started to show the Legion in a better light. Tellus, Quislet and Brainy had a chance to show their powers, and Sensor Girls new costume looks much better with her mask of (that's just my Jeckie from childhood days - regal but sexy smile ). The story itself has a very strong feeling of "been there, done that" - rift in time and so on, yaaaaaawn - but I realized that I still started to get a little antsy about the outcome of the story. Meaning: I care for those characters, no matter how cheesy the storys premises are. A good sign.

So after a weak start with the Legion nothing more than extras, I think this should turn out to be a decent, though not very original, story. Hope that the ending lets the Legion look good so some people except for the fans feel like picking up LSH #1 soon.

Will Mon-El meet his 21st century doom at the end of the story? Somehow, he has to get to the 31st, we have seen him already during L3W...
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[QB]Will Mon-El meet his 21st century doom at the end of the story?QB]
Judging by the cover of Adventure Comics #11 I would say yes
So now I'm done with the escond half of the storyline - which leaves me with some desperate questions...

1) What exactly was the reason the timeline came unraveled? I mean, we know Brainiac was not supposed to kill Supes, but somehow did... but... why? What was the trigger that made Brainiac capable of killing Supes?

2) Same question goes for the "seeding" of the bottled cities - what was the trigger that Brainiac had to be attacked by a group of time-displaced Legionnaires to set things right?

I'm confused. The storyline was certainly solid at best, though I have to confess I loved every minute featuring the Legion...
So, according to the latest Booster Gold, the Great Darkness is still in continuity. Supposedly. Says it Happened in 3082.
Did anyone pick up Action Comics? Mordru is in the Captain Atom feature. I didn't really have a chance to read what was going on, but Mordru states that if Captain Atom ever finds himself back on Sorcerer's world, he'd have a friend in Mordru. I wonder what seeds are being laid here??
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So, according to the latest Booster Gold, the Great Darkness is still in continuity. Supposedly. Says it Happened in 3082.
I saw that SK. loved the vison of what it was like to be on the surface of Daxam as they started to transform it into Darksied's Face.

Also loved the apperance of the Emerald Empress in there as well. A real nasty piece of work who dosnt really need the Eye to cause some horrible mayhem. shudder
Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Giffen's first Booster Gold issue actually takes place on Daxam during the Great Darkness Saga when the Daxamites are shaping it in Darkseid's image.

And it also features the Emerald Empress, who is incredibly viscious here!
As well as featuring the Super-Pets, Tiny Titans #28 has a li'l Brainiac 5 cameo.
At one point, Superboy asks him if there are more super heroes in the future, to which Brainy replies,"Yes! There's a whole LEGION of us!"
Perhaps we'll see other members of the Li'l Legion appearing soon!!
Well, at least the Legion exists in the "Fringe" world as Gim is visible on the cover of their version of COIE #7...
Hey I just heard that the Legion will be making an appearence in the Brightest Day biweekly series in an upcoming issue. If its true I wonder how/why DC would do this? They weren't really involved in the whole Blackest Night crossover series ... and the heroes that came back from the dead aren't related to any 31st century character including the Legionnaires that I'm aware of ... so what gives!?
Could this be yet another marketing ploy to get readers to sample the Legion book (if they haven't done so already).
I'm not complaining mind you. Any extra exposure or "free press" to build a stronger base for the new book is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Can anyone post any new info to confirm this if they read it somewhere? I am off to check the DC boards once again, just to make sure.
I just picked up issue #34 of The Brave and The Bold which teams the founders with the Doom Patrol. It was cool seeing Garth, Rokk, and Imra in their original uniforms, working hand in hand with the Patrol and working together to battle a cosmic emegency.

The biggest surprise is that during the coarse of the story the Legion finds .... what can only be described as ... a pink TRIBBLE???
What a nice little surprise this was for someone like me who's enjoyed Star Trek in its many forms over the years.

... I wonder what it means tho'!
That Brave and the Bold issue was absurd. I know that it was pseudo-Silver-Age and that we have to tolerate a certain amount of bad science, but this was... worse than most.

  • If I were going to stop a black hole the last group I'd contact is the Doom Patrol. The Legion has, oh, a member that makes things light and another one that makes things heavy? You know, to affect gravity?
  • A black hole with the mass of the sun is 30 kilometers across. One the size of the moon would be much more massive than the sun and would have torn the Earth apart in an instant.
  • At any rate, astronomers today would be able to detect such a black hole very far in advance. Currently we can detect the effect of Jupiter's gravity on the other planets and Jupiter is a lot farther away and a lot lighter. There would be years of warning.
  • A primordial black hole is the same as any other black hole. The only difference is that since they weren't formed by collapsing stars, they can exist in sizes smaller than normal.
  • A black hole that evaporates by Hawking radiation does so because it's entirely been converted to energy. If a black hole were somehow made to evaporate in this manner it would release hundreds of times the total lifetime energy output of the sun. The Earth would have been fried, along with all Legionnaires.
  • If you're going back in time and changing history anyway, the correct solution is to go back a week, find the black hole, and throw a planet at it to push it away (black holes have momentum). Of course this depends on you having planetary-level superpowers, but really, the "solution" that they actually used does too.
  • It was out of character for the Legionnaires to be giving that much exposition. They're teenagers, not scientists.
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I just picked up issue #34 of The Brave and The Bold which teams the founders with the Doom Patrol. It was cool seeing Garth, Rokk, and Imra in their original uniforms, working hand in hand with the Patrol and working together to battle a cosmic emegency.

The biggest surprise is that during the coarse of the story the Legion finds .... what can only be described as ... a pink TRIBBLE???
What a nice little surprise this was for someone like me who's enjoyed Star Trek in its many forms over the years.

... I wonder what it means tho'!
Betchya it ends up being a piece of Dumb Bunny's costume...
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Well, at least the Legion exists in the "Fringe" world as Gim is visible on the cover of their version of COIE #7...
Here's a Newsarama link for the cover...

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=2038&page=4
The bad science in "Brave & the Bold" didn't bother me in and of itself, but it dominated the book, leaving little else. In case someone hasn't read the solits for the next issue, I won't spoil it, but there was so much stuff done just to set up the next issue that even if it comes as a surprise in the next ish, the solits spoiled the concept for me and it still didn't really make *this* issue any more compelling.

This was an exercise in storytelling with very very little else and it wasn't even a storytelling gimmick that's particularly original or interesting to read in this case.
I quite liked this B&B issue.
OK so the concept of a Black hole getting that close to the earth and no one noticing was a bit off, the writer could have just come up with some techno babble for a destructive force and that would have worked just as well.

Best bit in the whole issue for me was those three panels when cliff is looking at Imra’s bum, and without moving she reminds him she can read minds.
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Ouch!
Poor Lar and Chris!
It looks like Zod won't be anymore redeemed than Lex!

I enjoyed B&B.
I like science but I don't have any idea if that was the original Doom Patrol and when in time they were.

It wasn't until recently that we could detect black holes at all.
Einsteir therorized about them but didn't really believe in them because we had no way to 'see' them.

Hubble changed that, I think, not sure, but I'm never sure of things I think.
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But the Legionnaires didn't have Thom or Ayla with them, and Ayla was still lightning then.
So their abilities would be a moot point, right?
They had to make do.

My favorite part was was Imra and Rokk being out of uniform for a few panels.
Thank the Lord that they actually were shown to take them off.
Or even PARTS of them.
Such a natural, realistic moment!
I just realized, you'd think they'd show a bit of concern with the fact that when Earth was destroyed, their other teammates got killed as well...
I thought that was kind of groovy actually. Like this sort of thing isn't completely out of the ordinary and the Founders just rolled with it and set out to make it right. Very Silver Age-esque in that regard.

This was probably the best 'founders all together' story in quite a long time.
Levitz fans will also want to check out Paul\'s strongest showing since his \'return\' thus far in Superman/Batman . Very well done!
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It wasn't until recently that we could detect black holes at all.
It wasn't until recently that we could detect planets in other solar systems either. But it's not hard to detect a planet that's right here.
Actually, it WAS pretty hard to see them well until Hubble.

Of course, we would have noticed gravitational changes but I don't know if we would have been able to 'see' or understand a black hole suddenly appearing in the 60's.

We also need to remember, something I forget often it seems, is that this is the DCU, not OUR reality, so things are frequently 'different'.
The point is that detecting black holes that are as big and as close as the one in the book is much easier than detecting ones that are at the distance they are in the real world. We'd detect it just from the gravitational influence it had on the other planets. It's true we might not be able to get a picture of it, but we'd know it's there. A black hole isn't going to hide until the last moment just because it's black.
What if it hides all day and only comes out at night? Then it would blend in with the rest of the sky.
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My dream has come true!!!! Amy Reeder Hadley draws the LEGION!!! I'm so thrilled!!
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Wow, B&B #35 was weird... who were those Inferior Five supposed to be, are those new characters? Anyway the issue was not as funny as it was meant to be, but the one line "Well, it IS your color" nearly killed me smile
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[b]I just picked up issue #34 of The Brave and The Bold which teams the founders with the Doom Patrol. It was cool seeing Garth, Rokk, and Imra in their original uniforms, working hand in hand with the Patrol and working together to battle a cosmic emegency.

The biggest surprise is that during the coarse of the story the Legion finds .... what can only be described as ... a pink TRIBBLE???
What a nice little surprise this was for someone like me who's enjoyed Star Trek in its many forms over the years.

... I wonder what it means tho'!
Betchya it ends up being a piece of Dumb Bunny's costume...[/b]
Called it!
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Wow, B&B #35 was weird... who were those Inferior Five supposed to be, are those new characters? Anyway the issue was not as funny as it was meant to be, but the one line "Well, it IS your color" nearly killed me smile
Chemical King,

The Inferior Five first appeared in Showcase back in 1966. They were meant to be parody of the superhero genre.

Here is a link to their Wikipedia entry
I can't believe they HAVE a Wikipedia Entry... eek

Thanks a lot!!! Off to read it...
the Legion turn up in Tiny Titans #31 [Linked Image]
I just picked up Legacies #5 and was a bit disappointed that the Legion didn't get much screen time. Colossal Boy was the only one who spoke (one line) and you only see Ultra Boy, Star Boy and Dawnstar's legs. That's it!

Next issue is the Legion tribute issue with my favorite cover of all time, drawn by Giffen ... can't wait! laugh

George Perez's artwork is incredible! This man will never slow down, I don't think ... lucky for us! His work is a pleasure to behold. I hope he's the one drawing issue #6's interior, that would truly be a blessing. BTW the Perez cover was outstanding!!!

The story wasn't half bad either ... hmmmmm, maybe I'll go back and buy #1 - 4 now. Guess I'm hooked!
^ Legacies has been very good right from the start FK.

As long as you realise it's more of a thematic history of the DCU than one beholden to strict continuity rules, you'll be able to relax and enjoy what's been a really fun, heartfelt tribute to the long, legendary characters and creators of the DCU.
it was interesting...they had the original Supergirl (headband and all) in this Legacies on this "Pre-Crisis" Earth. I put that in quotes cause it seems to be New Earth's Pre-Crisis history given the facts of the Earth 4 heroes (charlton comics) were on its Earth, the JSA and the Freedom Fighters, the Marvel Family were heroes on it as well.

And for the Anal Completists among us:
Brainiac 5: cover only
Dawnstar: Page 18, 20, 21
Shrinking Violet: Cover, Page 19
Bouncing Boy: Cover,Page 19

Cosmic Boy: Page 20
Supergirl: Page 20
Lightning Lad: Cover, Page 20
Wildfire: Page 20

Colossal Boy: Page 20
Ultra Boy: Cover, Page 20

Starboy: Cover, Page 21
Mon-El: Page 21

*If you Count Superman as a legionnaire then:
Cover, Page: 11, 12, 13, 14, 18, & 19
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 09/20/10 08:02 PM
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it was interesting...they had the original Supergirl (headband and all) in this Legacies on this "Pre-Crisis" Earth.
That was the most interesting thing to me (although the numerous appearances you listed were very welcome). This would seem to indicate that Supergirl (older and time displaced?) still died/dies in CoIE. Of course, they can pop her in the Kryptonian crystal healing chamber thingy and bring her back to life I suppose. Then maybe ship her off to the 31st century permanently to romace Brainy and keep him sane?
DC Legacies #6 will have Sun Boy, Shadow Lass, and Cosmic Boy on the cover...alongside Supergirl, the one with headband.

link -
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/09/dculeg_cv5_6.jpg
Thanks for posting superboymddjr!

I just can't say enough about how much I love Perez's work ... that beautiful cover(s) should be made into a poster one day.
Plus - is that Dr Regulus' feet getting punched out by Power Girl. Or is it <strike>Neutrax</strike> Neutron or someone.

Great cover!!! George Perez is such a master. He throws in so much good stuff to please the eye. My favourite element on this cover is Vigilante getting punched out of that window by Mammoth(? I think... or could it be Solomon Grundy?). Such a small touch but a great one.

I was hoping to see Colossal Boy on here to make up for his miscolored appearance last issue (and because he always looks good in a crowd scene) but oh well.

Still a great cover. And a great book too.
ok boys and girls Pick up the latest Time Masters 3. Brainiac 5 appearance(first 2 pages) ...and it's a siginficant appearance. Seems a lot of things have changed since Brainy and Booster have met.
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Plus - is that Dr Regulus' feet getting punched out by Power Girl. Or is it Neutrax or someone.

Great cover!!! George Perez is such a master. He throws in so much good stuff to please the eye. My favourite element on this cover is Vigilante getting punched out of that window by Mammoth(? I think... or could it be Solomon Grundy?). Such a small touch but a great one.

I was hoping to see Colossal Boy on here to make up for his miscolored appearance last issue (and because he always looks good in a crowd scene) but oh well.

Still a great cover. And a great book too.
thought it was Goldface's leg. sigh. oh boy. I ll take Dr. Regulus's! LOL smile
^ The legs seem to have some sort of fiery energy around them that I don't think Goldface ever had. Not to mention they're high in the air indicating a flier, which Goldface can't do (I don't think). It's either Neutron or Dr Regulus I'm sure.
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ok boys and girls Pick up the latest Time Masters 3. Brainiac 5 appearance(first 2 pages) ...and it's a siginficant appearance. Seems a lot of things have changed since Brainy and Booster have met.
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Thanks for posting the pages Nighty!
I honestly don't know anything about this mini series ... Time Masters is it? It's the search for Bruce Wayne or something?
I wonder what relevence it has with the Legion, or was this Brainy appearance just him lending a helping hand to Booster?
Is it possible the Legion will play a role in the rest of the story ... hmmmmm, maybe I should pick up a copy.
Future King,

Technically it is the search for Bruce Wayne. But I think it is more of a Rip Hunter story. I am not sure if there will be any more Legin appearances. The story so-far seems good and solid.
Thanks for the tip Quislet,Esq.
I think I'll go buy all three copies after work today. It sounds like it might be well worth it.
i say its a ...how Rip Hunter was taught everything he knows of Time Travel by his dad (Booster Gold) who in turn was taught by his Son...paradox city!!!

with the search for bruce wayne being the excuse for the mini series...

By the way looks like Brainy is on Booster's Secret heroism...so that makes 3 people who know Booster's not the fool he appears to the main Dc universe.
I'll second Quis on Vanishing Point: It's been solid so far.

That might be the friendliest Brainy I've seen a while; I mean, he was practically neutral to them.
I missed Superman/Batman #75. Is the Legion appearance worth me picking up a copy?
For me Superman/Batman #75 was a bit of a throw-away Legion appearance as they really didn't do too much to drive the story. I won't spoil it for you though.
I'm a completist collector so I had to get it.

It's nice to see the Legion get exposure across different DC books, so that was a bonus. And, I have to admit, they did look good ... especially Violet.
It makes sense that Rip would learn about Time and the Multiverse from Brainy which is what I think the second to last box on the second page suggests. To think it was Booster you have to believe Booster will be as good as Rip one day. I don't buy that.
I have to disagree Para-Dox. I think Booster is learning about the workings of Time Travel enough to pass on that knowledge to his son aka Rip. Booster does not need to be as good as RIp in order to start teaching him about time travel. And Rip could always build upon whatever knowledge Booster gives him, thus exceeding his father's knowledge. Rip definitely has a more serious demeanor than Booster. But that doesn't mean that Booster is unintelligent or unable to impart knowledge. I would say that Rip's knowledge of time travel will still be greater than Booster's. Even Einstein had teachers whom he later surpassed in knowledge.

Plus I don't see Brainiac 5 actually giving much thought to time travel. It was Rond Vidar who created the Legion's Time Cube, later Time Bubble. And I don't see Brainiac 5 taking the time to teach anybody about anything really. (Silver Age Brainy maybe, but not current Brainiac 5)
Also the fact that Booster if far more mature as Rip's dad than he is now...and in fact he's already maturing right now from what he used to be When his first series and Justice League books were out. SO Yeah respect the Booster...like all of us...we were careless and fancy free and became adults and became (somewhat more serious) and you need to get off Booster's lawn!!
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I'll second Quis on Vanishing Point: It's been solid so far.
I'll third it--I think the series has been excellent.

I love the idea of Brainy being a long-time friend to Booster & Rip at various times in their careers. What I find fascinating is how Brainy might have experienced all this: perhaps one day he's interacting with an older Booster and the next an older Rip and then the next a older Booster/young Rip and eventually older Rip will bring young Booster and so on. Confusing to just about anyone...who isn't 12th level intelligence. He likely has no problems dealing with it.

I'm also loving how Brainy's knowledge of Booster's true heroism also explains how Booster has kept his flight ring unofficially for all these years (centuries).
DC Comics Presents: Brightest Day #2 has a reprint of a Martian Manhunter story with a Legion cameo. Nice art by Hitch & Neary.
Thanks to ultron7 over at the DCMBs.

Zatanna #7 has the first appearance of the newly created Magic Museum and its curator Antonia Stefanacci.

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Cool!
Honestly, this is the kind of thing I love in comics. Who but attentive Legion fans would get that reference!
Phantom Girl and Mon-El make a rather sizeable background in Superman/Batman #79.
^^Thanks for the heads up!!
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So I was at my local comic shop today getting some excellent Boxing Day prices so I just threw this copy of Superman/Batman #79 into my pile (without looking inside, natch), assuming that there would be more of a Legion presence then just this 2 page spread, but nope!

Just a head's up to anybody else out there who might be thinking of picking this up. Sadly, what you see is what you get. frown
A couple of months old, but...

In Teen Titans #88, Bart Allen is trying to get written down all of the things he memorized from his and Conner's brief time (Lo3W) in the future.

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That definitely looks like a Legion Time Bubble in the bottom frame. I'd say this is a tick in the "Legion might be involved with Flashpoint" column.
I really would like to see PG played up more from an inter-dimensional standpoint, or that of an "other wordly" mindset. I don't mean that she has to suddenly be buried alive under a ton of gravitas, but her comment to Superboy about how she's "more comfortable in ambiguous situations" than most humans was pretty much the most interesting thing (to me) about those Adventure flashback stories.

Impulse is one of those characters who I feel bad for not liking. He seems to be hugely popular on some other fansites I visit regularly, but mostly what I've seen of him so far just annoys the crap out of me.
He, like Conner, aren't so bad now, since they were brought back.

Kid Psycho is in 'Superboy #3', opening up a time travel encounter.
Conner mentions the Legion, trying to identify the Kid, but this one is only from about 150 years in the future.
That's Psionic Lad in Superboy #3. It'd be cool if there was some relation to Kid Psycho, but I'd be very surprised it there were.

I'd be interested to see what kind of character they'd update a 'Kid Psycho' into these days-- interested the way I imagine those irritating people who slow down to a crawl to gawk at traffic wrecks are.
Everyone, LISTEN TO ME. It is imperative that you all pick up Superman/Batman #80 next Wednesday. For some reason a store had them early, and this comic features the return of a Legionnaire long thought missing.
Hmm... looking at the solicitation for the issue... it must be <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Thunder!</span></span>
Not even close.
Finally, the return of Anti Lad!?!
andromeda?
Earth-Prime Cosmic Boy?
Though I hope rhino is right!
Is that the return of the 1,000,000 AD issue?
I almost got that this week.
so I guess that Andromeda is a wrong guess...so SPILL IT!!!! laugh

or XS?!?!?!?
bump S-P-I-L-L I-T!!!! mad wink smile
It's a book on SUPERMAN and Batman. What Legionnaires are ASSOCIATED with SUPERMAN, a.k.a. Clark Kent, a.k.a. Kal-El.
Mon-El? that does not make sense....he is not that "long thought missing" legionnaire...? Hmmm must be before Mon-El...
What Legionnaires are associated with Clark Kent.
C......K...... = Chemical King?!?!?!? if so, then I would be freaking out for sure!!!
Clark. Kent. Kent.
Kent Shakespeare??!!!???
lol
Candle - wait til you see us in real life, we are cuter! wink
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I didn't mention the possible other.
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I didn't mention the possible other.
You mean Laurel???????????????
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Candle - wait til you see us in real life, we are cuter! wink
Not a doubt in my mind!
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/19/11 09:55 PM
Haven't been able to pick it up yet... so, was it Laurel? How many pages? Any obvious changes?
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">It was Kent Shakespeare, the Superman of the 31st Century, and ELNA Kent, Superwoman, with an outfit that strangely resembles a poncho.</span></span>
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/19/11 11:25 PM
Ah. Thanks!
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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">It was Kent Shakespeare, the Superman of the 31st Century, and ELNA Kent, Superwoman, with an outfit that strangely resembles a poncho.</span></span>
are we to assume that <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Elna is Laurel Kent? Elna being the name she used when first introduced.</span></span>

If so this is a seriously whacky take on the Superman and Legion timelines
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/20/11 04:53 PM
I have to say that I was seriously dissapointed when I finnally read the issue last night. There was

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">only the one pannel. Kent Looked nothing like he did in previous continuity. Laurel is Superwoman now? </span></span>

and if there are

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">a Batman, a Superman and a Superwoman</span></span>

in the 31st Century, then where the bloody nass were they and what were they doing durring the events of Lo3W ?!?
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I have to say that I was seriously dissapointed when I finnally read the issue last night. There was

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">only the one pannel. Kent Looked nothing like he did in previous continuity. Laurel is Superwoman now? </span></span>

and if there are

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">a Batman, a Superman and a Superwoman</span></span>

in the 31st Century, then where the bloody nass were they and what were they doing durring the events of Lo3W ?!?
ditto the Khund Invasion, the Dark Circle invasion, Earthwar, Darkseid's attack, the Sun Eater crisis etc etc
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/20/11 09:27 PM
I suppose that for <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Batman, Superman and Robin</span></span>

it could be argued that they haven't assumed those identities yet. It could even be argued that

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Kent Shakespeare hadn't gained his powers yet.</span></span>

However,

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Laurel Kent did have her power (invulnerability) then and even if she hadn't become Superwoman yet,</span></span>

She should have been present for the fairly recent Lo3W.
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/20/11 09:36 PM
P.S.
If
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Laurel (Elna) Kent has more powers than invulnerability (which it seems likely since she is called Superwoman and appeared to be flying/hovering in the pannel), then there needs to be an explaination for how she gained them.</span></span>

Also I will be terribly amused since I suggested a similar idea

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Laurel gaining full Krytonian powers</span></span>

in my fanfic.
Perhaps it's a possible future & not the set future??
Anyhoo, Kent looked hot!!
There's a 31st Century Batman now?

Oh, joy. Just we needed: another century in which Batmania can show up to suck all the air out of the room.

:rolleyes:
Since it's just one page, is there any hope that someone who bought the issue and has the tech and know-how could scan it in?

Pretty please?
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/24/11 06:41 PM
If a mod thinks it is inappropriate they can delete this and I appologize, but here: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> <a href="http://www.imag...uot;Click for fullsize image" /> </a></span></span>
^^Edited to thumbnail.
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There's a 31st Century Batman now?

Oh, joy. Just we needed: another century in which Batmania can show up to suck all the air out of the room.

:rolleyes:
The 31st century Batman is a preexisting character, from comics from 1951, and is from 1100 years in the future, or the year 3051. This predates Batmania and even the Legion.

Because comic books work on a sliding timescale, the Legion has now moved into the same century as this guy. If he's from the exact year 3051 he couldn't show up in a Legion story, but because of sliding timescales nobody ever uses exact years, so it's possible.
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If a mod thinks it is inappropriate they can delete this and I appologize, but here: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> <a href="http://www.imag...uot;Click for fullsize image" /> </a></span></span>
Thanks! I scanned it in and meant to post it myself. No need to apologize.
Ms. Kent has clothes on!
One giant leap for womankind!
y-e-a-h
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There's a 31st Century Batman now?

Oh, joy. Just we needed: another century in which Batmania can show up to suck all the air out of the room.

:rolleyes:
lol
I couldn't agree with you more!!!
The Infinite Man makes a single panel appearance in Superman #708.
Fans of the reboot Legion may want to check out DC Universe Legacies #9 which recounts the events of Final Night

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The Infinite Man makes a single panel appearance in Superman #708.
battling what appears to be a Validus superman?
Hmm. Hard to tell from the angle but I think you're right. That's an interesting concept.
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 02/24/11 10:53 PM
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Fans of the reboot Legion may want to check out DC Universe Legacies #9 which recounts the events of Final Night
Was it any good? The local shop didn't get it in because I was the onloy one buying it and I was so ticked about the LSH backup that I didn't buy the next couple of issues. I won't see it anytime soon sooo.... Spoil away: how was it?
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[b] Fans of the reboot Legion may want to check out DC Universe Legacies #9 which recounts the events of Final Night
Was it any good? The local shop didn't get it in because I was the onloy one buying it and I was so ticked about the LSH backup that I didn't buy the next couple of issues. I won't see it anytime soon sooo.... Spoil away: how was it?[/b]
The main feature was the history of Final Night so the reboots were shown quite a lot. Ferro's attempt to sacrifice himself and then being saved by Hal Jordan was feasured prominantly. Ferro's origin was not covered.

If you've read Final Night, then there is nothing new in this story.

The second feature highlighted Black Adam.
^ I enjoyed this latest issue of Legacies. It wasn't as good as the earliest issues but still better than the last couple.

One thing it did remind me of though is how great Ferro started off in the Reboot. His introduction in Superman and then his starring role in Final Night really set him up as an exciting character to watch.

Shame it all went downhill so fast when he went to the 31st century and immediately got wussified.
say does anyone know that the Legion Heroclix appeared in Dexter the cartoon show? someone mentioned that it appeared in season 2....so anyone have seen that before?
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say does anyone know that the Legion Heroclix appeared in Dexter the cartoon show? someone mentioned that it appeared in season 2....so anyone have seen that before?
Not the Cartoon show ("Dexter's Lab"), but the Showtime series "Dexter" about the serial killer. It was in Season 2. There was a murder in a comic shop and quite a few different Clix were shown including the Legion Starter.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212821
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/02/11 07:59 PM
Ok, so is Legacies supposed to be what happened in the current version of the DCU or not? It is awful weird that 'Final Night' happened, the Legion from Earth 247 participated and Superman didn't even blink at the much different version of the Legin from the one he knew. Not to mention that it does not seem to bother him (or any of the writers for that matter) that there is a Douglas Nolan calling himself Fero with a twin brother and the power to turn himself into organic iron that plans to sacrifice himself to destroy the Sun Eater.... all about a thousand years before Fero Lad (aka Douglas Nolan) sacrifices himself to defeat the Sun Eater? And, the art for the Black Adam back-up story made it completely unreadable. Sorry, but this issue pretty much stank... what a waste of my time and money!!
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Ok, so is Legacies supposed to be what happened in the current version of the DCU or not? It is awful weird that 'Final Night' happened, the Legion from Earth 247 participated and Superman didn't even blink at the much different version of the Legin from the one he knew. Not to mention that it does not seem to bother him (or any of the writers for that matter) that there is a Douglas Nolan calling himself Fero with a twin brother and the power to turn himself into organic iron that plans to sacrifice himself to destroy the Sun Eater.... all about a thousand years before Fero Lad (aka Douglas Nolan) sacrifices himself to defeat the Sun Eater? And, the art for the Black Adam back-up story made it completely unreadable. Sorry, but this issue pretty much stank... what a waste of my time and money!!
Legacies is supposed to be the history of the current DCU ie thhe post Infinite Crisis Earth 0. The appearance of the 247 Legion confirms what was stated in Lo3W - that they travelled between universes when time travelling - and what Bruce Wayne said in Action 864 - that this alternate Legion had been on their Earth.

So this Legacies boook shows the 247 team on Earth 0 back during Final Night. True the "whoa you're not the Legion I know" conversation wasn't shown (and back in Final Night wouldn't have occured because that was pre Infinite Crisis). But the Legacies issue starts after Superman and the Legion meet and we have to take it that the conversation would have taken place in some form. Remember this is aimed at DCU fans not fans of Legion minutia.

With Ferro, only Superman would have known of the 30th century Andrew Nolan and any thoughts/comments were off-panel in Legacies.

I was never a fan of the reboots but I am pleased that their continuity is established as part of DC canon albeit on a defferent Earth to the main DCU.
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/03/11 04:54 PM
I am well awre that the original 'Final Night' storyline didn't require any explainations as to Legion since they were THE version of the Legion then. Since Legacies is supposeed to be the 're-arranged' history to fit 'current', 'Earth 0' history I expect a few attempts at the writer trying to make it fit with a few simple explainations as to those changes. What ticks me off is that THIS is their chance to make some of those explainations like if/how Supergirl took part in CoIE, Superman being surprised about the 'different' version of the Legion, or Superman being startled by the weird similarity of Fero's plan to Fero Lad's future fate. Instead we get total cr@p like the Legion back-up story or whatever the Black Adam story was supposed to be. It leaves me very angry and dissapointed in DC and questioning if it is worth my time, effort and money to try to persue this new version of the Legion's story.
Check out Superman #709 for a one panel cameo by XS in Barry Allen's thoughts
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I am well awre that the original 'Final Night' storyline didn't require any explainations as to Legion since they were THE version of the Legion then. Since Legacies is supposeed to be the 're-arranged' history to fit 'current', 'Earth 0' history I expect a few attempts at the writer trying to make it fit with a few simple explainations as to those changes. What ticks me off is that THIS is their chance to make some of those explainations like if/how Supergirl took part in CoIE, Superman being surprised about the 'different' version of the Legion, or Superman being startled by the weird similarity of Fero's plan to Fero Lad's future fate. Instead we get total cr@p like the Legion back-up story or whatever the Black Adam story was supposed to be. It leaves me very angry and dissapointed in DC and questioning if it is worth my time, effort and money to try to persue this new version of the Legion's story.
I think it was during the Showcase appearances of the Legion or their 20th Century stories that had Superman mention how he had met different versions of the Legion at different points in their time. It was reference to "Time and Time Again" and Superman seemed to have to just assumed they were the same people he had met. It was inferred but not belabored that Superman's memory of being a member of the "real" Legion was blocked after the Crisis during the JLA/Legion/JSA story and more so during the Action Comics story.
for those who are interested, in action comics #900 there's a 3 pages long legion story by geoff johns and gary frank smile
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for those who are interested, in action comics #900 there's a 3 pages long legion story by geoff johns and gary frank smile
I bought the issue yesterday. Don't you just love the part with Brin and Ayla?
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Don't you just love the part with Brin and Ayla?
absolutely laugh

i also love gary frank's version of the legionnaires' costumes. i'm really disappointed in how in the current series they're slowly but steadily bringing the characters' look closer to the seventies or the eighties: come on, let's move on!
I wish someone could post a scan of that spread here. I splurged and bought Action #900 on Tuesday because of how much that spread made me smile.
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i'm really disappointed in how in the current series they're slowly but steadily bringing the characters' look closer to the seventies or the eighties: come on, let's move on!
Then again, sometimes change for the sake of change is counter-productive. Some of those 70s/80s costumes are just plain easier on the eye than their modern counterparts.
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Some of those 70s/80s costumes are just plain easier on the eye than their modern counterparts.
i don't agree smile

anyway, put aside gary frank's designs, the current artist could have just tried something new altoghether. instead, we're stuck in the 70s/80s not only on the story side (sigh), but also on the art side. it saddens me, especially considering that once the legion was a comic book ahead of its times.

sorry for going OT!

@Sarcasm Kid: here's the awsome picture you're looking for: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2944075.html smile
I've said elsewhere that I don't really like the mixing of eras for the retroboot costumes but I dislike many of the new costumes, too.
sigh

The Frank picture is adorable, though.
Clark is sure a hunk.
He looks more like Lar than himself.

I'd sure like to know what Lois' story is about!
Brin stuffing his face with pizza is the most adorable thing ever. ^_^
Prepare yourselves!
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What--No Earth Man? Would have loved to have seen Clark's reaction to have Kirt drop by...
^^^ where can you find that? Action Comics #900? or ?

and another sighting:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tofero/5693873224/sizes/l/in/photostream/
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[b] Prepare yourselves!
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What--No Earth Man? Would have loved to have seen Clark's reaction to have Kirt drop by... [/b]
That's Earth Man on top of the fridge, with Cham on the right, obviously.

They were both having an attack of shyness that evening.
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[b] Prepare yourselves!
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What--No Earth Man? Would have loved to have seen Clark's reaction to have Kirt drop by... [/b]
That's Earth Man on top of the fridge, with Cham on the right, obviously.

They were both having an attack of shyness that evening. [/b]
thought it was Colossal Boy, instead of Earth Man due to the presence of the shoulder pad.
oh another sight that will come out in August 2011:

http://westfieldcomics.com/comic-books/DC-Superhero-Figure-Collectors-Magazine-Brainiac-5/11060218
One panel Mordru app. in Flashpoint: Secret Seven #2.
SUN GIRL RETURNS!!!!

link:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=43532

and......sort of another familiar Legion foe too. (indirectly)
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SUN GIRL RETURNS!!!!

link:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=43532

and......sort of another familiar Legion foe too.
Sun Girl? Do you mean Inferno? I suppose it could very well be her, but there's not enough there for a positive I.D. If it is her, not sure I'm pleased with her being a villain.

And I suppose the other character you refer to is Prime?
Sun Girl is a Teen Titan foe briefly seen in the 40' s of the current run. Her name is apparently Deborah Morgna, but that is about all we know.
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Sun Girl is a Teen Titan foe briefly seen in the 40' s of the current run. Her name is apparently Deborah Morgna, but that is about all we know.
Isn't she supposed to be from the future, but before the Legion's time?
she was supposed to be from the future...as I recall when Geoff Johns created her. Inertia, Indigo-8 are from the future...so who knows what Superboy Prime brought? also the Persuader has a Legion connection.
Damn! And here I thought we might finally get an answer to that Inferno question we've been asking for so long! frown

Sun Girl? Bah! Lard Lad officially boycotts this comic! nod
I mean, why would Geoff Johns create this too-similar "Sun Girl" when there's a perfectly good long-dangling loose end just languishing out there in limbo?!?!

Geoff should be banished to Super-Limbo himself...of SPACE! tongue
Jeepers! Surely Geoff Johns would never take a heroic character that's been languishing in limbo for years and suddenly turn said character into a murderous psychopath!
Ester! Don't make me slap you, Cosmic Boy-style! laugh
Sun Girl was supposed to be from a future she inhabited with Inertia, where Martians are slaves because of something horrible that Miss Martian did in between the 21st Century and her time. Miss Martian was Deborah's personal slave. It wasn't clarified just how far in the future she was from, though. Deborah planned on murdering Megan in the past to stop whatever Megan would do from happening.

Persuader is in fact Elise Kimble from the Terror Titans. She was told that she's a possible ascendant of the original Persuader from the 31st Century.
Don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere or not, but I was catching up on Booster Gold issues and was pleasantly surprised to see the Giffen-era Legion (looks to be during a rollover from 70s outfits to 80s outfits) make a sizable guest appearance in Booster Gold #43.

It includes Proty slapping people Cosmic Boy-style. Always a treat.

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Wow, how the heck did I ever miss this! shocked

I'm going back and picking this up pronto!!!
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Wow, how the heck did I ever miss this! shocked

I'm going back and picking this up pronto!!!
It got me reading Booster Gold.
Insignificant Legion app. in Kid Flash Lost #3.
Strictly for AR Legion collectors!(like myself)
Anyone not following the new Demon Knights is missing out on Mordru in the Middle Ages
According to the DC Comics site, the Legion will appear in ACTION COMICS #5 and #6:

"Fresh off of his bestselling FLASHPOINT miniseries, industry legend Andy Kubert will be joining critically acclaimed writer Grant Morrison for a special, two-issue arc of ACTION COMICS in DC COMICS-THE NEW 52. Issues #5 and #6 will guest star the Legion of Super-Heroes, while also laying groundwork for things to come much, much later in Superman’s story. And keep an eye out for Krypto!"
Thumbs up to this news, as well as the Krypto tidbit - mostly for the fact I'm enjoying Morrison's revision of Superman's early days and don't mind continuing to read about it.
This is in no way recent. It's just something I recently heard about, and I couldn't think of anywhere else to share it.

Tim Hunter and Mister E. tour the 31st century. The Books of Magic #4 1990

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Supergirl and Brainy are on ice again:

Mike Johnson : She & Brainy can have a million superbabies later! In the meantime...

So he won't be a part of the new Supergirl series in any way for a while
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Thanks for sharing, Ken. This is going on LWs facebook page, posthaste!
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Thanks for sharing, Ken. This is going on LWs facebook page, posthaste! [/b]
Yeah, I agree that this was a good catch. It really explains the larger context and ramifications of the Magic Wars, and also why magic continually seems to crop up in a big way in the 30th/31st centuries/
Looks like Hunter is being re-imagined in the 21st Century as a hawk & Dove villain.

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The best the founders have looked in a long time.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/05/12 02:20 AM
Oh wow, haven't seen Saturn Girl in a cloak for ages, or Lightning Lad, for that matter.

And has Cosmic Boy *ever* worn a cloak? Cool. He looks a little blocky, but I'm used to the Legionnaires having completely different faces and / or body types with every artist...
Mm. Sorry. They look too much like the LSV from Superman/Batman.

And I've invested too much in the Gary Frank redesign of LL. This just complicates things further.
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I'm guessing that these are the founders well into adulthood, quite a bit later than the current LSH stories. The guys look more maturely sturdy and have receding hairlines.
Imra and Garth have pretty much swapped hair styles.

I wonder if these are still Lightning LAD, Saturn GIRL and Cosmic BOY?

Having thought about this issue, I am a bit concerned. When I first heard that there were two versions of the Legion in Action Comics, I assumed that the Secret Origin version would match the young jeans/boots Superman while volume 7 would be the 'current' Superman's team-mates. But it seems like the current Superman is teamed up with an older (presumably 5 years older) Legion which means the volume 7 Legion are the peers of the jeans/boots era Superman. what does that mean for the Superboy history with the Legion? Gone, presumably.
SAL: I think that's a big problem. Showing that a future version of the Legion is contemporary with the current Superman makes no sense.

Grant Morrison may have been thinking of the Adventure era, when the future version of the Legion *was* contemporary with the current Superman. But that worked because Superboy was being published and the Legion was contemporary with Superboy. Nowadays, Superboy isn't being published, the Legion has aged considerably, and future Legion/current Superman makes little sense.

So this one comic may have already screwed up the Legion, five issues into the reboot, unless the Legionnaires were just drawn poorly and not any older, or unless some future writer decides to explain this away by saying that the Legion is visiting Superman out of sequence.

Also, the story is annoying because when the Legion appears in a Superman origin, you typically want to see them involved in some way with Superman's past. Having a Superman origin story and then having the Legion show up by time travel instead of being there as part of the past is a cheat.
None of them are wearing flight rings.

I don't like the capes. Though if Imra kept the neck and shoulder wrap, but dropped the cape...

Another Legion? The one starring in current LSH stories, but from further in the future? Perhaps this Clark has been visited by so many multiple versions that he's used to different looks, ages, races, species and members every time they pop up.

Not a new thing- it's been happening since the Legion's second appearance. Continuity screwing's practically their m.o.

As i read that last half of the first story, I was a tad worried that the Anti-Superman Army *was* going to be Morrison's take on the team.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/06/12 07:33 AM
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some future writer decides to explain this away by saying that the Legion is visiting Superman out of sequence.
That's my assumption.

The 'current' Legion can't visit the 'current' Superman because of the Flashpoint firewall / Legion Lost business.

But a Legion from a few years down the road (presumably with access to even better time travel tech), after the Legion Lost crew have either made it back or permanantly set up shop in the 21st century (and are no longer 'presumed dead' or unable to return due to temporal shenanigans), could visit the 21st century Superman without messing with the 'current' Legions currently canonical inability to safely visit this particular moment in time.

'Contemporary' really does mean less than nothing, in a book about time travellers from the future. There's nothing to prevent forty year old Legionnaires (or their children!) from time travelling to save the baby Kal-El's rocket from a disaster that would have thrown it off course and made it never reach Earth. There's nothing to prevent the teenaged founders from teaming up with a long-haired hippie spaceman Superman of 2235.

It only will get totally out of control if the Brainiac 5 of 2010 and the Brainiac 5 of 2037 show up on Kara Zor-El's doorstep at the same time, having accidentally double-booked 'date night.' smile
Morrison loves time travel and he loves doing different things with the concept, so I imagine we'll get a lot more detail next issue. According to solicits, we may even get Legionnaires from various time periods. If anyone excels at non-linear storytelling it's Grant. Excited for the next issue.
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They certainly look older, no longer 'boys' and 'girls' and more like SuperMAN aged.

Saturn Woman doesn't look like herself without her ever present Saturn symbol/eartings, although with Titan now gone in the retro/Nuboots, maybe the laws for Titan telepaths and self identification has been discontinued!

From this page of comments - I agree with Set on the Legionnaire timeline/ages.
I have absolutely no problem with an adult Legion visiting with an adult Superguy.

I seriously dislike the Frank costumes, so the Action version is fine with me, even though I DO like Imra's hair short.
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I have absolutely no problem with an adult Legion visiting with an adult Superguy.
I do. First of all, the Legion is already adult and has been since at least the 1980's. They're just not using the adult names. Moreover, the new DCU drastically reduced the size of most characters' history. This is already a problem for the Legion, but if the future Legion is the same age as the current Superman, then the current Legion's history is *shorter* than Superman's, which makes the problem even worse.

Second, if the future Legion is contemporary with the current Superman, that means that every appearance of the current Legion in the current DC present-day is out of sequence.

Also, to explain this appearance away by saying "they're from the future after the Flashpoint barrier is gone" doesn't make any sense. If you could ignore the Flashpoint barrier by being from further in the future, the Legion could break the barrier right now by travelling to the future Legion's era and then travelling to the 21st century just like a person from that future would.
Can the Legion travel to their own future? The only time I can remember having seen them time-travel to anything other than the past was when Brainy and his conspirators confronted the Time Trapper at the end of time, and I got the impression that was a big deal which couldn't easily be replicated? (though I may just be mis-remembering)

At any rate, the actual reason they don't just travel to the future to resolve any issues is the same reason Mon-El and Ultra Boy don't take down 99% of the LSV in two panels every time they fight - it removes the need for a story. But if you want an in-universe reason, they don't know when in the future the Flashpoint issue is going to be resolved, so when do they travel to? What happens if they make a blind jump into their 78th battle with Darkseid and half of the past members get accidentally slaughtered? It's too risky.

I am with Set and Candle on the time travel issue....they're already travelling 1000 years, what difference does it make if they're travelling 1005 years? If the current Legion we're reading about in their own title now went back and had an adventure with Clark when he was 16, I wouldn't have an issue with that either. I don't think the Legion's published history needs to be able to synch up perfectly with Superman's published history. The advantage of doing a comic set 1000 years outside of established continuity is that you don't have to operate within the confines of that continuity as much as the rest of the DCU does....it enables you to do things like this really easily.

(having said all of the above, I really dislike their costumes here and agree that they look too much like the LSV...also I question how wise it is to throw in yet another alternate vision of the Legion so soon in the relaunch when we already have the current title, Legion Lost, Secret Origins and to a lesser extent the Star Trek crossover giving four very different ideas of what the Legion look like and who they are....I think I would have chosen to wait a while before introducing yet another take on the team, this kind of stuff must be what casual readers are talking about when they say the Legion is too confusing, lol)
The Shooterboot had Legionnaires from the future coming back to recruit Cos.
But that seemed out of step, somehow.

The Legion has always taken time travel out of sequence, though, with Supergirl and Superboy both being in the Legion at the same time.
At least, when there WAS a Superboy and a Supergirl.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/08/12 11:58 AM
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None of them are wearing flight rings.
That's actually something that bugs me all the time, is how often artists forget to draw the flight rings.

It's a tiny insignificant detail, I know, but it always makes me grumble.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/08/12 12:02 PM
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Also, to explain this appearance away by saying "they're from the future after the Flashpoint barrier is gone" doesn't make any sense.
As I said, perhaps the future Legion has even better time travel technology than the 'current' Legion. (Indeed, since the current Legion has just busted fragments of a time machine, that got blown into tiny fragments just a few issues ago while Brainy was attempting to hotwire it, that wouldn't be terribly unlikely...)

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If you could ignore the Flashpoint barrier by being from further in the future, the Legion could break the barrier right now by travelling to the future Legion's era and then travelling to the 21st century just like a person from that future would.
My assumption, as stated, was that the future dudes can punch right through the flashpoint barrier using their superior technology, not that it 'went away.'
Considering how many team members there are in the Legion, I'm a bit tired of seeing the founders *all* the time...
It's not a certainty, but it sure looks like XS appears in TEEN TITANS #6, using the name and ID of a cop.

She's focused on Bart Allen, Kid Flash and uses 'sprocking' and other 31st century lingo (of Earth 247, anway)-- but the real 'tell' is a 'not supposed to have happened yet' sentence. Oh, and some files/thingies with Interlac written on them.

The panels reminded me of the Espionage Squad usage last year in the Superman books. Jenni hasn't appeared (or even been mentioned) in the LSH books in quite some time. Not since that odd back-up with the tiles in a temple. Or shrine. Or whatever it was.

Maybe she's conducting a one-woman mission that the Legion doesn't even know about? Or in collusion with Brainy, perhaps?

We've been told in several instances that time travel isn't 'possible' in the new DCU. I give that about five minutes, but until then- it might be kind of cool if Jenny is the only character that can time travel with impunity.

She seems older... maybe this connects with the older founders (if that's really who they are) in Grant Morrison's Superman title.
Good catch Mystery Lad! I hadn't read that issue yet.

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but....the gerater question is.... what's she doing there at the present time? if she knows that Bart is supposed to "pop" up in 8 years in the future, then she should be there in 8 years, instead of present time. so whats up with her?!? is she watching Barry Allen as well? hmm....good mystery indeed.
Hmmm.... Not sure about XS, she looks more like Shvaughn Erin to me and she is a cop.
Posted By: gone Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/03/12 07:22 PM
*poof*
Brainy 5, Proty, and a time bubble in this week's TINY TITANS #49.
Jocelyn made another appearance but I blanked out totally on which book did she appear...yikes!!
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SUPERBOY #7. She's guarding _______ after Superboy rescued her from _________.
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yes thats the one! thanks. meanwhile, check out another interview on the Culling plus the beautiful cover of Teen Titans Annual - with the Legion Losters on front and all in white uniforms:

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/04/10/writer-scott-lobdell-on-“the-culling”-crossover

enjoy.
Doesn't look like XS to me. Skin is awfully light and the hair is wrong. Maybe it's new-DCU Sun Girl? (Hair isn't quite right for her either, but it's as close.) The original was a villain, but was from the future and appeared in Teen Titans.

Edit: I found a scan of the Superboy issue. It looks a lot more like XS in that issue and cant be Shvaugn or Sun Girl.
Jocelyn appears in Superboy #8 again, colored as in the previous issue of Superboy (that is, plausibly like XS). She also refers to herself as Jocelyn in a thought balloon, which could mean she is not XS but could also be bad writing.
The Blight, from DnA's Legion of the Damned storyline, attack Tamaran in this week's Red Hood and the Outlaws #10.
OOh, the Blight are wicked scary. Looking forward to that.
Justice League Dark #10 - Mordru is mentioned by Constantine while he explains the history of the Books of Magic.
Not exactly a recent Legion sighting--but here is a tantalizing glimpse of a Legion-might-been-plotline from Comic Box Commentary: http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com/2012/08/landry-walker-interview-whatever.html

There can be little doubt that had it seen print, Walker's Supergirl's Cosmic Adventures in the llth Grade would have been an awesome and fun addition to Legion mythos...
Here's something interesting--

In Superman #0, the story is that it's about Jor-El finding out that Krypton is going to perish, with a "Doomsday" cult in Kryptonian government, lead by someone called "The Eradicator," trying to silence him, on the same day he learns that Lara is pregnant with baby Kal-El.

What's interesting is when Jor-El questions one of the soldiers of this cult, as she dies, she says that "Entropy comes for us all." As the two watch, we see that Superman, in a black and silver costume, is watching them on the planet Krypton.

This continues a trend from the other two present-day Super-titles--with Superboy playing a role in Supergirl being able to leave Krypton and Supergirl on ancient Krypton in the middle of the war that ultimately dooms the planet.

So you consider all this time travel, and the usage of "entropy," I'm thinking that at some point in the next year, we're going to have some sort-of cross-over that involves the Super-Family and possibly the Legion fighting the Time Trapper on Krypton.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 10/13/12 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by Jay Kay: So you consider all this time travel, and the usage of "entropy," I'm thinking that at some point in the next year, we're going to have some sort-of cross-over that involves the Super-Family and possibly the Legion fighting the Time Trapper on Krypton.
That would certainly be interesting, particularly if the temporal shenanigans force Superman into a Sophie's choice, of possibly saving Krypton from destruction, but, in so doing, rewriting the timeline according to some agenda of the Time Trappers... (Which means he might feel compelled to allow, or even actively *cause* Krypton's 'fated' destruction, to preserve Earth and / or other worlds that will be destroyed in the new 'Krypton survived' timeline!)

Although, given that Superboy has met the Legion Lost crew, it might be problematic if Superboy meets the regular Legion, who currently believe the Legion Lost crew to be dead. (Then again, this might be the event that dissuades them of that notion, or the Legion Lost crew might be the Legionnaires who are involved in this 'un-destruction of Krypton' storyline.)

If nothing else, it could make an interesting fanfic...
Justice League Dark Annual - Nick Necro spends three days in a cave with Mordru's skeleton, and we learn that Mordru and Merlin formed an uneasy alliance to divine the location of Books of Magic.
Here's an interesting thing from Action Comics #15:

This issue is basically laying the cards on the table and revealing what this book has been about this whole time and what this ending arc will be about: Superman fighting a rogue fifth dimensional imp named Vyndktvx who is using an Anti-Superman Army and his powers to try to destroy Superman at every point in his life.

One segment of this is Superman being chased by Vyndktvx and the Anti-Superman Army on a post-apocalyptic Earth where the sun has turned red. He makes it to a Fortress of Solitude in the Amazon, and he makes three calls.

One of them is to Krypto, making a dog whistle sound, but the other two are interesting to me and this board's interest.

First, he says, "This is Superman calling the Legion of Super-Heroes on the time wave!" Which means we'll probably at least see Morrison's adult founding members again in this arc. Cool--Morrison's Legion two-parter was pretty much the best Legion story of the New 52 so far.

The second part's where it gets interesting. "This is Superman calling Comet and the Wanderers!"

Comet is probably the new take on Captain Comet that Morrison established back in #10-12 of Action, but the Wanderers name is interesting. Isn't that what the surviving members of the Reboot Legion named themselves after Legion of Three Worlds?
Adym, from the Legion Lost series, ties to Captain Atom of the current day universe is revealed in The Fury of Firestorm #15 where his origin is revealed.
Action Comics #16 has some heavy Legion stuff in the main story, having the Adult Legion (which Morrison's seems to be a blend of the Retroboot and the Reboot, with the snake-like Sensor) AND a Tales of the Legion of Superheroes back-up with art by Chris Sprouse.

Basically, I want either Morrison or, more likely, Sholly Finch on the Legion title, like, yesterday.
At the very least wouldn't an All-Star Legion by Morrison be awesome?
That would indeed be interesting.

Though would Frank Quitely be a good choice for penciller? Then it would just feel like a sequel to All-Star Superman.
I think they essentially did an All-Star Legion already. It was called "Superboy's Legion".
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/11/13 08:00 AM
Originally Posted by Klar Ken T5477
I think they essentially did an All-Star Legion already. It was called "Superboy's Legion".


I truly doubt a Morrison take on the Legion would have as many bright smiling faces or end on a note of youthful optimism as Superboy's Legion. smile

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I truly doubt a Morrison take on the Legion would have as many bright smiling faces or end on a note of youthful optimism as Superboy's Legion. smile



I don't know, Morrison's on a "good guys win" kick recently, and has his share of upbeat endings (Vinamarama, Joe the Barbarian, Seven Soldiers). Even Final Crisis and All-Star end with an optimistic, if bittersweet outlook.
Yeah, I would go further to say that's really just about his big thing now, especially with superhero comics. He said it most succinctly in Supergods when he said that "positivity's the new punk rock."
There's 2 extremely AR Legion references in last week's AME-COMI GIRLS #4:

1. Lex Luthor's giant robot is powered by a baby sun-eater.

2. When something resembling a Time Bubble crashes onto the Kent's farm, Power Girl wonders if it's an unwelcomed visit from the LSV.
Morrison's farewell Action Comics arc gets another chapter: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/17/grant-morrison-gets-one-more-issue-of-action-comics/
So that probably means more Adult Legion, righ?
No mention of two Legion-y (or, at least, L.E.G.I.O.N.-y) appearances in the first issue of Threshold?

Stealth in the main story and Pulsar Stargrave in the back-up.
Okay, this isn't DCU, but I don't want to start another thread:

Imra Ardeen of Saturn is mentioned in a story by H.G. Stratman, "Neighborhood Watch". She votes to annihilate all Earthlings. (Way to go, Iron Butt!)

The story was read on the podcast Starship Sofa #275 and appeared in Analog Science Fiction and Fact January/February 2013—pages 94-102.

I checked the author's website. He's a cardiologist but doesn't express any particular love for the Legion, just sci fi.
Action Comics #17 is part two of three of the 'adult' Legion crossover.
So apparently the Adult Legion in Action Comics is a result of Superman dying twice due to the current villains succeeding in their goals. Because of that, it made the Age of Universo possible. The Legion is trying to prevent Superman's second death even though it'll revise their timeline.
ECHO returns to rear up its ugly head around Teen Titans #23 as the team travels to the 31st Century to uncover Bart's origin--to make matters even more strange--Vibe may play a part in these events...
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ECHO returns to rear up its ugly head around Teen Titans #23 as the team travels to the 31st Century to uncover Bart's origin--to make matters even more strange--Vibe may play a part in these events...


The 30th Century Science Police & ECHO
and Harvest who is from the late 30th century
make an appearance in Superboy #19 (total Dreck). Apparently the Legion is just about the only group in the DC Universe that can't travel in time.
For those buying it digitally the first part of the Legion in Smallville series went on Comixology today.

No Legionnaires as yet though but a nice bit between Booster Gold and Blue Beetle.
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ECHO returns to rear up its ugly head around Teen Titans #23 as the team travels to the 31st Century to uncover Bart's origin--to make matters even more strange--Vibe may play a part in these events...


Well with the ECHO storyline still going, perhaps there will be a Legion still going by #23. Will this mean Legion Lost gets to go home too.
Apparently in a special prequel MAN OF STEEL comic, available only to people who buy movie tickets from Wal-Mart, Kara must battle a murderous Dev-Em after he has killed everyone else aboard their space ark.
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For those buying it digitally the first part of the Legion in Smallville series went on Comixology today.

No Legionnaires as yet though but a nice bit between Booster Gold and Blue Beetle.


As of Smallville Season 11 #49 The Legionnaires who have appeared so far are Brainiac 5, Lightning Lad, Supergirl, Wildfire, Dawnstar, Sun Boy, Star Boy, Karate Kid, Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl and Catspaw.
Ferro Lad & Sun Boy also had one appearance each.

Good story with great Daniel HDR art. I just hope they collect the whole "Argo" story in one trade.
Is this Argo as in where Supergirl comes from? (depending on the Supergirl...)
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Is this Argo as in where Supergirl comes from? (depending on the Supergirl...)


The Argo from the Smallville show...yes, kinda.

It's a thousand years after Clark defeated Zod and the Kandorians in season 9. He teleported them there and they named the planet Argo. Supergirl, having traveled to the 31st century at the end of season 10, has rejoined with her fellow Kryptonians. Renaming the planet "New Krypton", they have tried to joined the United Planets, but in vain.

HTH
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 06/15/13 11:49 PM
The latest issue of Smallville shows a flashback scene including Dawnstar, Wildfire, Karate Kid, Ferro Lad, Supergirl, Star Boy and maybe Sun Boy, although they aren't seen again in the issue, so it at least suggests that the 'Legion' of the Smallville-verse includes more than Garth, Rokk, Imra and their version of Brainiac 5.

Could you work out who the woman on the far left was?

I am presuming Jeckie even though it looks nothing like her but could it be a new Legionnaire?
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 06/16/13 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by stuorstew
Could you work out who the woman on the far left was?

I am presuming Jeckie even though it looks nothing like her but could it be a new Legionnaire?


Oh wow, turns out there were three panels showing Legionnaires (other than later appearances by Garth, Rokk, Brainy and Imra).

Bottom of page 2; Brainiac 5, Supergirl, Wildfire, and five other figures, mostly seen from behind.

If I had to guess, the one on the far right is Imra before she cuts her hair (since she's got short hair in the 'present day' of this issue). I got nothin' on the other four, 'though.

Bottom of page 3; Dawnstar, Wildfire, Karate Kid, Ferro Lad, Star Boy and Supergirl.

Top of page 4; Star Boy, Supergirl, Wildfire, Dawnstar, maybe Sun Boy?

Ah! I think we are talking about different issues; I presume you have the latest paper copy?

In this weeks digital issue there is a large group scene that features what is essentially the line up circa GDS as well as Ferro, Chuck and Lu.

But there is a blond woman in red to the left of the panel next to Timber Wolf who doesn't seem to be Kara or Imra so might be Jeckie or even, potentially, Thunder.

In the issue you mean I had wondered whether the woman with the tiara in the group shot is actually a white Shady and agree that the guy on page 4 is probably Sun Boy even though the costume looks more like Captain Comet.
I think it is Projectra but since Catspaw looks entirely different it could be Thunder are Andromeda. Here is the image
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I think it is Projectra but since Catspaw looks entirely different it could be Thunder are Andromeda.

I assumed Projectra as well, since she's next to Timber Wolf.
Yes, since Thom and Nura are together and Jo is near Tinya, it seems the artist was portraying couples.
That could also explain the proximity of Dirk and Jan! wink
When were Brin and Jecke a couple?

I know they had a strange relationship in the Threeboot but I wouldn't say they were a pairing in that sense.

If we are using the couples thing then surely it is more likely to be Ayla in an unusual costume. Which would also explain how near Vi is as well.
Now that you mention it, I don't know. I was assuming they were a couple at some point because of what Space Cadet said.

I guess it seemed familiar to me because she was with Karate Kid, and Timber Wolf is also a physical-fighter character.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 06/17/13 02:45 AM
Definitely Projectra. The yellow on red bits at her neckline and on her legs are very suggestive of her original Cockrum outfit.

I don't think Jeckie being positioned near Brin is any more indicative of them being a couple than Violet being near Ferro Lad indicates anything about their relationship status.

Originally Posted by Shining Son
Now that you mention it, I don't know. I was assuming they were a couple at some point because of what Space Cadet said.

I guess it seemed familiar to me because she was with Karate Kid, and Timber Wolf is also a physical-fighter character.


Totally my goof, I plead fatigue (busy time at work, averaging 11-12 hour days for weeks now). I was seeing and typing "Timber Wolf" but *thinking* "Karate Kid".

Sorry about that.
Spaced out there, did you? Or just trying to maintain your right to the name?
Argo came to an end I digitally this week and it was really rather good

The Legion played a significant role throughout and everybody acted like themselves which made a nice change

Even though bad things happened in the story it didn't get all grim and angsty

And there were a few pages at the end that were the most Legiony things I have seen in years. And were wonderful as a consequence.

Anybody not reading it because of its Smallville connection (even though the book has been very good and has ,previously, had Lois Lane shout 'avenge my boobs' and it make sense) should give it a try.

I am also adding Bryan Q Miller to my list of people I want to write the Legion when it returns.
Originally Posted by Shining Son
Spaced out there, did you? Or just trying to maintain your right to the name?


"Spaced out" is my normal state of being. wink
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 06/29/13 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Space Cadet
Originally Posted by Shining Son
Spaced out there, did you? Or just trying to maintain your right to the name?


"Spaced out" is my normal state of being. wink


Seems like you wouldn't still be a Cadet, 'though. After a certain amount of being Spaced, wouldn't you graduate to Space Adept, or even Space Master?

You'd think the Legion would have fought someone called Space Master by now, wouldn't you?
If there can be a Lord of Time...
Interesting. No Imra or Ayla yet though, or Tenzil or Blok or Mysa.
Originally Posted by stuorstew
Argo came to an end I digitally this week and it was really rather good

The Legion played a significant role throughout and everybody acted like themselves which made a nice change

Even though bad things happened in the story it didn't get all grim and angsty

And there were a few pages at the end that were the most Legiony things I have seen in years. And were wonderful as a consequence.

Anybody not reading it because of its Smallville connection (even though the book has been very good and has ,previously, had Lois Lane shout 'avenge my boobs' and it make sense) should give it a try.


I'll have to keep an eye out for the eventual trade. It's been too long since I read a Legion book that was Legion-y! nod (Plus, "avenge my boobs" doesn't hurt! :lol )

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I am also adding Bryan Q Miller to my list of people I want to write the Legion when it returns.


BQM wrote the Stephanie Brown Batgirl book, and I loved it so much! Anyone who seeks out those back issues trades will NOT be disappointed!

I wish he would write more comics, for sure--Legion would be terrific! I wonder if he's still working in television, causing him to have time for only one project? shrug
Originally Posted by Set
Originally Posted by Space Cadet
Originally Posted by Shining Son
Spaced out there, did you? Or just trying to maintain your right to the name?


"Spaced out" is my normal state of being. wink


Seems like you wouldn't still be a Cadet, 'though. After a certain amount of being Spaced, wouldn't you graduate to Space Adept, or even Space Master?



Ah, never confuse the man with the job; "Spaced out" is what I am, "Space Cadet" is what I do. wink
Originally Posted by Elvar
I think it is Projectra but since Catspaw looks entirely different it could be Thunder are Andromeda. Here is the image
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Aw, maaaaaaaaan...

Why couldn't these have all been "official" Legion costumes? And why don't I have this comic?! WHY?

love
Wouldn't it be great if the next published incarnation of the Legion was the Smallville version?
Interesting that the depiction of Star-Boy is that of the multireality-jumping version from the latest post-Johns era....
I gotta say that is a great looking team there. I was pretty happy with that story. I wish it had more Legion but to have any was great.
I recently saw a black and white Legion pic posted on Steve Lightle's FB page. What does this mean, is he drawing a Legion book? Dare we HOPE??? laugh
Superboy #26 has a page of Legion images and references to the formation of the Legion. The title of the next issue refers to an Evil Legion.
And the Legionnaires pictured in Superboy #26 are in their Retroboot uniforms, so the currently cancelled (Levitz) Legion still appears to be the official DC Legion...at least for now.
Has anyone heard any more news on a possible Legion connection to the upcoming DC series Futures End?

Can anybody corroborate the rumour that the Legion might be seen again in this series debuting in May?

I am excited about the prospect! smile
The only connection I can think of is that Keith Giffen's a writer on it.
A DC Event comic (following on from the pathetic debris of all the others) written by:-

Someone whose Frankenstein run was utterly tepid.

Someone who only knows Batman Beyond from DC's future characters.

Someone whose last attempt at 5 years later saw them run off in a huff every 5 minutes.

"DC Event" alone would be enough to make me pass on this.


Von Daggle is back for the Durlan War event in the Green Lantern books. Still no word on whether he's related to Cham or not, though. The Khunds are involved, too.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07...total-continuity-geekfest-and-i-love-it/
The Space Canine Patrol Agents! Cool.

And Tharn... the image won't load for me. Drat.
Given previous stories, is it a little too obvious that Rao will be the star that Dream needs to kill? All indications seem to point that way.
But wasn't Rao in discussion with the first Despair over the idea of a single child surviving Rao's destruction to mourn?
I'm going to do some Legion comics shopping tomorrow. I have all of the Legion series, reboots, and spinoffs. What I'm looking now for is major appearances the Legion has made in other comics. Can you folks be kind enough to send some titles my way so I know what to look for?
The first one that came to my mind was DC Comics Presents #43, a Superman/Legion team up against Mongul and a Sun-Eater. Solid story (Paul Levitz) and art (Curt Swan), and an absolutely gorgeous Brian Bolland cover.
Can you post the cover?
Yes. Just give me a couple minutes...
Here you go:

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Looks like the Legion's shown up again in today's SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 digital comic, part 1 of 12 of the story "CONTINUITY".

Hopefully we'll see 'em in all 12 parts.
Awesome! Thanks for the info!
Originally Posted by Phantom Girl
I'm going to do some Legion comics shopping tomorrow. I have all of the Legion series, reboots, and spinoffs. What I'm looking now for is major appearances the Legion has made in other comics. Can you folks be kind enough to send some titles my way so I know what to look for?

There was the Time Trapper Saga which crossed over into Action Comics #591 and Superman v2 #8. (the Byrne era)

Legionnaires also guest-asppeared in Booster Gold #8
Not sure if this is what you're hoping for but, before the disaster that is the DCnU, there was a Kingdom Come tie-in to the Justice Society in which the Superman of the Kingdom Come continuity eventually lived on into the 31st century and saw the Post Zero-Hour Legion flying overhead.

It's tiny but I found it to be one of the best moments of that storyline.
Bleeding Cool has a one-panel cameo of what looks like the post-ZH founders as part of a "scenes from a multiverse" bit in Superman: Doomed #2.


Description: Last page of Superman:Doomed #2
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I almost shed a tear seeing the real Superman costume there.
Yay!!! The Zero-Hour Legion! Or, so I'm guessing, based on the color of Cosmic Boy's outfit.

Could it be that someone at DC has figured out that the most interesting (guaranteed to bring on controversy and sales)gimmick that they could do would be to bring back the Pre-52?

Let's hope so.
All those pre-Crisis-y scenes certainly give me a bit of a rush!
Rich J has been talking about what basically amounts to a N52 version of Countdown: Arena ("the Band-Aid" or Blood Moon) involving pre-N52 versions of characters for yoinks, to run for a couple of months starting in April so as to pad out the schedule while DC move cross-country. This might tie-in with that.

IOW, don't count on these guys surviving long...
Good visions... of The Legion of course, The Titans (The team that I like), Lady Quark, JSA and Blue Beetle.
If only all of them can return...
Arena was one of the poorest DC title I've read. I guess I can skip this.
Just reading the Wikipedia article on Arena made me ill.
I'd advise that you stray no closer to it, Ibby. It was wretched. Even by the low, discounted, everything and anything must go, low standards of DC by that point.
Yes, DC really must have enjoyed letting their readers see versions of beloved characters killing each other.

Sigh. If the post ZH founders appear in such a comic...!

I'll just take that page and enjoy it for the moment.
Mon-el appears in the last page of Justice League United #5, as a lead-in to the upcoming storyline. He basically says he's there to kill Ultra so that the future can survive.
Should the Television Trouble Finder on the homepage be updated with these appearances or are they not Legiony enough?
Is anyone following the Smallville Legion in the digital "Smallville Season 11 Continuity"? The legion are fairly minor but still an interesting read.

The first part comes out in paper in December.
I'll be getting it when it's on paper. Can't do the digital stuff.
I felt it was important to mention this here, but apparently, DC had actually intended to reveal an evil version of the Legion in the latest Superboy volume. I found this out because Joe Prado had done a character design for an evil Lightning Lad, which I acquired from him at NYCC this month. I don't know if Joe did any other designs, nor do I know why DC scrapped them for the sake of those Legion knock-offs.
DC's expanded promo art for the 2015 "Convergence" event shows the classic founders with either Superboy or Superman. It looks like Superboy to me. Either way, hopefully the Legion will play some part in the event.

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Thanks kenaustin. It looks like the Legionnaires are fairly young in that photo. Garth looks like he could be a teen.
Yeah, the Legionnaires look young, but it's confusing because they're wearing Baxter era outfits.
Continuity shakeup again, perhaps. Like with Legion: Secret Origins where (if I recall right) some Legionnaires wore costumes different from their Adventure Era costumes.
Originally Posted by Silver Age Lad
Is anyone following the Smallville Legion in the digital "Smallville Season 11 Continuity"? The legion are fairly minor but still an interesting read.

The first part comes out in paper in December.


First part is out in book format now
I love seeing the old Legion headquarters pictured in the April Convergence solicit...

http://www.newsarama.com/23230-dc-s-april-2015-solicits-convergence-week-3.html
http://www.newsarama.com/23307-seven-dc-earths-profiled-in-the-multiversity-guidebook-1-preview.html

Guys, the Time Trapper is involved in one of the Earths mentioned in the new Multiverse. Apparently he's frozen Earth-18 in a permanent 19th Century Western state, but they have adhoc versions of 21st Century technology, like a telegraph internet and air travel.
https://www.facebook.com/legionworl...4243/858210354200990/?type=1&theater

So XS and Leviathan's headgear make this the Reboot era Legion, but Ferro's costume is the SW6 version's. The other Legionnaires shown here could be from either era.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/02/16/infinity-wasnt-incorporated-proposed-batgirling-infinity-inc/

GUYS. There was a proposal for an Infinity Inc. book that included Legion characters such as Glorith and Supergirl, but also included old Silver Age Superboy characters like Hyperboy and Mars Boy, the Star Boy prototype.

I am so incredibly saddened that this was overlooked.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
https://www.facebook.com/legionworl...4243/858210354200990/?type=1&theater

So XS and Leviathan's headgear make this the Reboot era Legion, but Ferro's costume is the SW6 version's. The other Legionnaires shown here could be from either era.

Live Wire's costume - with the yellow arm stripes - is SW6 as well. And the gimmick of the Convergence event means this should probably be an immediate pre-Zero Hour team.

XS... *shrug*. Does the writer know the difference?
Honestly, I'm getting as many of these as I can for reasons...anyways. BUT That does bring up a great point if they knew what was what. Or if they were merging the two for reasons? IDK, but all I care about is some form of the legion/ legions that mean so much to me.

It's one of those "Shut up and take my Money!" moments perhaps
In case anyone missed it the Legion from Convergence:Superboy & the Legion are in this week's Convergence:Booster Gold #1 and next month's #2.
One of the full page spreads in Multiversity #2 showing all the heroes at the Orrery of Worlds has Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl in attendance (Looks like v.3 Pre-Baxter costumes, but it could also be generic Cos/Imra costumes).
Justice League #40 has a two page spread showing the CoIE battle against the Anti-Monitor. Lots of Legionnaires.
Superman #40 has a variant cover featuring the Legion but no actual appearance in the issue itself.

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Originally Posted by Silver Age Lad
Justice League #40 has a two page spread showing the CoIE battle against the Anti-Monitor. Lots of Legionnaires.


Wow.

When DC first rebooted us all into the Nu52, we were told that the original "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and all of the subsequent reboots had not occurred.

Now, it seems that someone has finally changed their minds on that one.
Originally Posted by Georgehaze
Originally Posted by Silver Age Lad
Justice League #40 has a two page spread showing the CoIE battle against the Anti-Monitor. Lots of Legionnaires.


Wow.

When DC first rebooted us all into the Nu52, we were told that the original "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and all of the subsequent reboots had not occurred.

Now, it seems that someone has finally changed their minds on that one.


Yes and no. It all happened happened but not in the current DC universe. The pre-Crisis, post Crisis, post Zero Hour and Flashpoint universes all existed and are known to Metron in JL #40 and Brainiac in Convergence. Which is how the pre-Crisis Supergirl can watch herself die in Convergence:Adv of Superman
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
One of the full page spreads in Multiversity #2 showing all the heroes at the Orrery of Worlds has Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl in attendance (Looks like v.3 Pre-Baxter costumes, but it could also be generic Cos/Imra costumes).


Saturn Girl appears in the final large gathering also.
Originally Posted by Silver Age Lad
Originally Posted by Georgehaze
Originally Posted by Silver Age Lad
Justice League #40 has a two page spread showing the CoIE battle against the Anti-Monitor. Lots of Legionnaires.


Wow.

When DC first rebooted us all into the Nu52, we were told that the original "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and all of the subsequent reboots had not occurred.

Now, it seems that someone has finally changed their minds on that one.


Yes and no. It all happened happened but not in the current DC universe. The pre-Crisis, post Crisis, post Zero Hour and Flashpoint universes all existed and are known to Metron in JL #40 and Brainiac in Convergence. Which is how the pre-Crisis Supergirl can watch herself die in Convergence:Adv of Superman


Actually, you've just illustrated my point; that there has been a complete reversal in DC's editorial mandate from the beginning of the DCnU until now, the post-Convergence DC (what are we calling it now, by the way?)
I never imagined the world needed a "Telos" series, but this might be a place where we get some Legion-related goodness.

http://www.newsarama.com/25871-cosmic-dcu-gets-renewed-focus-with-telos.html

He mentions the UP, Colu, there's an image of Validus and he mentions Stealth, (from LEGION?) but is this the same one who died, an alt universe version or someone else?? (altough there's an image of someone kinda dressed like Stealth, but from the coloring looks more like Phase (Tinya)). I didn't read Convergence, so I don't know who that would be...
Telos #1 also reveals that that main villain is a Legion Villain ruling Colu (who's controlling Validus to boot).....

Computo.
And the leader of the Coluan resistance is a woman! I'm sold!
On Newsarama ...from the New York Comic Con:

"Harley is different," Palmiotti said, saying that Conner couldn't make the convention because she was finishing Harley Quinn's Big Black Book, a 38-page team-up book with Wonder Woman and the first appearance of the London Legion of Superheroes. "One of them's called the Pub-Crawler."
Crashing comets!
I think that the current group over at DC-- editors, writers and all, conflate the Legion of Super-Heroes with Normalman's Legion of Superfluous Heroes-- they treat it all as a joke.

Of course, there is a relatively well-known interview with comedian and 'intellectual' John Hodgman in which he discusses his love for the Legion:

"The Legion of Super-Heroes is, at its core, ridiculous: a teenage superhero club in the far future with something like 75 members and whose powers range from god-like invulnerability and strength to more esoteric skills, like the ability to make things heavy or bounce high."

And I think whoever is in charge at DC has taken 'ridiculous' to heart.

But they ignore what he said following that comment:

"Then, over a years-long run, Paul Levitz, often in collaboration with artist Keith Giffen, did the most ridiculous thing of all: they took it seriously. He didn't throw out the silly stuff, but used it all to create a fully realized future world. When you start caring about a character called Matter-Eater Lad, that's some pretty deft writing."

This is what I remember.
I don't think the "Telos" series shows the Legion mythos being treated as a joke. I thought it was quite promising.
Originally Posted by Klar Ken T5477
.....a fully realized future world...


I'm not at all certain that I would equate what they did as "fully realized".

Specifically to Giffen, I feel that he invested as much effort into the title as most of us do to slice of pizza.
We all have different perspectives, depending on our experiences with "our" Legions.

I think that the Levitz / Giffen team-up Hodgman refers to is the Baxter era, possibly specifically the Great Darkness Saga. Whatever their later work may have been, there is undeniably (OK, go ahead and deny it) a lot of effort put into that period. Every active Legionnaire appeared in at least one panel in each issue for a couple of years, and multiple story-lines were juggled with dexterity.

Plus, they invented Interlac.

Fanfic Lady: I was personally pretty unimpressed with the "Legion of Super-Heroes vs. Atomic Knights". Yes, I saw it as a slight to the Legion. Basically a "Bambi-vs-Godzilla" joke. And shrug artwork.

Like I say, we all see things from different perspectives.
Wow, Klar, _thank_ you for making my day with a "Bambi-vs-Godzilla" reference smile
Superman: Lois and Clark confirms that the pre-Crisis Supergirl is alive somewhere in the DC Multiverse.

But Clark, Lois, and their son are living in the DCnU... and have been there ever since the first Justice League arc with Darkseid.
While not a direct Legion reference, in "Justice League 3001" Giffen has a couple of robotic henchmen who are another riff on the old strip "Alfonse and Gaston" - a reference he used before for "Algronsk and Kaston" from 5YL LSH #2 (the robots who hunt Jo)
Validus makes an appearance in Telos #2 and #3. Hope there's a current Legion tie-in to follow after!
Oh God $%^**(^*(^.

A version of Imra appears in JL 3001... as a villain.

Working for Lady Styx.
Surprised it took them this long.
Well now I'm definitely avoiding JL3001.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Oh God $%^**(^*(^.

A version of Imra appears in JL 3001... as a villain.

Working for Lady Styx.


Some of the other characters present could also be Legionnaires... like Timber Wolf, Wildfire...
Maybe they are deliberately distancing the Legion from the rest of the DCU so they can sell the property to someone who actually cares enough to do it right.
Originally Posted by the Hermit
Maybe they are deliberately distancing the Legion from the rest of the DCU so they can sell the property to someone who actually cares enough to do it right.


That... that actually terrifies me even more.
The "Legion of Death", from JLA3001 #12, due in May.

Attached picture LegionofDeath.jpg
^^Disgusting.
This is not our Legion... this is not our Legion... this is not our Legion...

Takes away the sting smile
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
This is not our Legion... this is not our Legion... this is not our Legion...

Takes away the sting smile


True, but it's a good anti-Legion for one of those alternate universe stories in which you meet the criminal version of yourself.

I kind of like Quislet as a sea mine. He did make things explode.

I think of Legion 3001 more as the sort of satire you'd find in Mad Magazine and enjoy it for that. If the above image was the official new Legion version, however, I wouldn't buy the book. Too negative - it's what they did with Batman at one point and I pretty much gave up on the character.
Agree with FC. On its own it is not a bad concept - as long as it does not replace our other Legions.
It's a shame they're reduced to echoes and shadows. Probably due to not having the creative talent (definitely including editorial) to keep the actual Legion going.

There are one or two nice touches to the picture, as an alternate version. But it's not going to make me go anywhere near the title.

Oh wow. That looks terrible.
What a typical F-U to the Legion fans.
Oh, I kind of 'like' the pig-tailed vampire half-skull 'Phantom Girl'. Although I wouldn't ask her on a date.

And it is an obvious move to make Saturn Girl a Bokkite Saturnian like Jemm.

But, yeah, not interested enough to buy the comic. There's a reason fans called the 52verse DCFU.

But what will we call the DC Universe after "Rebirth"? The Afterbirth Universe?
Originally Posted by Klar Ken T5477
But what will we call the DC Universe after "Rebirth"? The Afterbirth Universe?


Like it.
Did y'all see Kara mentioned having travelled to Starhaven on this week's episode of Supergirl? laugh
OMG, the JL3001 thing looks terrible! I hated JL3000 from the beginning: bickering heroes throwing childish insults at each other is not fun for me.

But I did catch the Starhaven reference on Supergirl, razsolo, that was awesome.

And while I am sure it was mentioned earlier in this thread, I'll add that the Legion ring on display in the Fortress of Solitude gave me chills. I wanna see the Legion on Supergirl!
Looks like Brainy on the cover of one of the Supergirl TV tie-in comics:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/24/the-adventures-of-supergirl-to-be-bi-weekly-in-print-from-dc

EDIT: Looks like it might be Vril instead:

https://www.comixology.com/The-Adve...dmlldy9kZXNrdG9wL3NsaWRlckxpc3Qvc2VyaWVz
Anyone else disappointed we got no Legion at the Rebirth panel? I kept expecting to hear about it with Teen Ttians, Titans and Super Sons, but nope, nothing. Especially and because Jonathan Hickman says he's working with DC on something, AND Geoff Johns is seemingly working on nothing after the initial Rebirth wave. Maybe it'll get announced down the line, but it was still a let down frown
Yep, disappointment, got nuthin'. I do think there are later announcements coming, though, b/c they didn't talk about Earth-2/JSA or Gotham Academy, each of which had been previously announced. Overall, I wasn't terribly impressed with the creative teams announced for the Rebirth books either. Meh.
Earth-2 and Gotham Academy are not considered Rebirth properties and will simply be continuations of their previous incarnations.

As for the Legion, Johns talked about it during a Q & A reserved for the press after the Rebirth presentation:
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Geoff Johns also confirmed that the Legion of Super-Heroes, JSA, New Gods, and Shazam would all have a place in the post-Rebirth universe, but that each of these properties warranted a major story to herald their return, and needed room to breathe and not get lost among today's announcements.

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Johns said characters like the New Gods, Shazam, and the Legion of Super-Heroes would all appear once Rebirth gets underway, along with other properties, and that there is a "Story to tell" about how some of them make it into the universe.
Originally Posted by rokk steady
Yep, disappointment, got nuthin'. I do think there are later announcements coming, though, b/c they didn't talk about Earth-2/JSA or Gotham Academy, each of which had been previously announced. Overall, I wasn't terribly impressed with the creative teams announced for the Rebirth books either. Meh.


Sorry to hear that. I was happy about most of the Bat-book stuff, especially King being main Bat-writer and Seeley staying on Dick. And really glad to see the Superman line back in shape, along with the Wonder Woman team. Aquaman also seems to be on the road to a full recovery. Everything else though... yeah, wasn't that psyched.
Well, Fuzzy Barbarian, I already knew about Tom King on Batman and was excited about that. I will at least try anything that guy writes. Happy for Aquaman and Wonder Woman as well, it is definitely a step in the right direction for both those books, but both the big names on those teams have been on the book before, so I didn't find it all that impressive as an "announcement." You've kinda picked out all my favorite DC titles (except Flash) that I would likely continue getting anyway, but I admit to wondering if Dick's book will be as good without King on co-writing duties, as Seeley is someone who is hit or miss for me.
Originally Posted by rokk steady
Well, Fuzzy Barbarian, I already knew about Tom King on Batman and was excited about that. I will at least try anything that guy writes. Happy for Aquaman and Wonder Woman as well, it is definitely a step in the right direction for both those books, but both the big names on those teams have been on the book before, so I didn't find it all that impressive as an "announcement." You've kinda picked out all my favorite DC titles (except Flash) that I would likely continue getting anyway, but I admit to wondering if Dick's book will be as good without King on co-writing duties, as Seeley is someone who is hit or miss for me.


Haha yeah, King was the most obvious reveal ever. My problem with Nightwing is that I DON'T KNOW WHO CONTRIBUTED WHAT TO GRAYSON! When announced, it seemed like King was solely there for his CIA background, but as time went on, it was clear he was an actual co-writer. But what I've read of Seeley's Bat-stuff seems like he "gets" the Bat-fam, so... maybe they BOTH just "get" them. I haven't tried Seeley's non-DC stuff, though my sis loved Sundowners. I WANT to try Hack/Slash, but the covers make it look... well, yeah. Revival's not my cup of tea, just on premise. It seems to Seeley really likes occult stuff, and I'm more of a sci-fi guy. Which is why I'll pick up King's Omega Men in trade, and maybe Sheriff of Babylon, just because. King is honestly one of the msot surprising talents I've ever seen, and while I dropped Vision, it wasn't BAD, I just got lazy lol
Originally Posted by Querl Dox
Earth-2 and Gotham Academy are not considered Rebirth properties and will simply be continuations of their previous incarnations.

As for the Legion, Johns talked about it during a Q & A reserved for the press after the Rebirth presentation:
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Geoff Johns also confirmed that the Legion of Super-Heroes, JSA, New Gods, and Shazam would all have a place in the post-Rebirth universe, but that each of these properties warranted a major story to herald their return, and needed room to breathe and not get lost among today's announcements.

Quote
Johns said characters like the New Gods, Shazam, and the Legion of Super-Heroes would all appear once Rebirth gets underway, along with other properties, and that there is a "Story to tell" about how some of them make it into the universe.


Yeah, I've seen those quotes going around, and with the pictures from his "what is Rebirth" video, it's obviously something is happening with the Legion. I've always assumed Rebirth would have more than one "wave", especially since I can't see some series lasting past 12 issues, even six for some, though I'm not sure what series are secretly limited series.

Now, if they warrant their own stories... The Legion? Yes. Johns did it with Lightning Saga, and they're a big deal. They're in their own separate corner of the DCU, and we need to know what version of the Legion we're going with, and what's canon and what's not (hopefully it's just given through clues, like Sunboy not being dead removes an issue from continuity, the Fatal Five being old enemies removes some, etc. and not blatant text exposition which'll scare away new readers). I'd be cool with a limited series, as opposed to hijacking the recovering Superman books with a storyline (plus, that'd probs be at least two arcs in, and I want my Legion sooner rather than later). But I guess putting it in a Superman arc does mean more people will read it, so whatever.

Shazam? Um... what return? Just follow-up on his back-ups stories from Justice League... am I missing something? Is this Darkseid War related? Because I never read that.

JSA, well, yeah. That should be an event! I love the JSA, and their return should be a huge deal, with implications for the entire line, especially the Justice League. I'm pretty sure that's where they'll be introduced, probs a multiverse story, rather than a limited series.

New Gods... eh. No one's really used them that well since Morrison in Final Crisis. I'd be fine with them staying gone. But yeah, they'd definitely need a big event. Given their use in recent years, I'm assuming a Green Lantern storyline will bring them back.
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Barbarian
Haha yeah, King was the most obvious reveal ever. My problem with Nightwing is that I DON'T KNOW WHO CONTRIBUTED WHAT TO GRAYSON! When announced, it seemed like King was solely there for his CIA background, but as time went on, it was clear he was an actual co-writer. But what I've read of Seeley's Bat-stuff seems like he "gets" the Bat-fam, so... maybe they BOTH just "get" them. I haven't tried Seeley's non-DC stuff, though my sis loved Sundowners. I WANT to try Hack/Slash, but the covers make it look... well, yeah. Revival's not my cup of tea, just on premise. It seems to Seeley really likes occult stuff, and I'm more of a sci-fi guy. Which is why I'll pick up King's Omega Men in trade, and maybe Sheriff of Babylon, just because. King is honestly one of the msot surprising talents I've ever seen, and while I dropped Vision, it wasn't BAD, I just got lazy lol


I have the sense that King is the funny guy. There were a lot of great one-liners in Grayson, which contributed to my enjoyment of it immensely.

I agree that the subject matter of Seeley's non-DC stuff is often a turn-off for me, but I have read some of his stuff.

I highly recommend going back to the Vision, or getting the trade when it comes out. It gets better and better with every issue.
There was no text in the preview that's been making the rounds, but it appears that the Dominators have some sort of role in "Green Lanterns: Rebirth." (and hey look - a fat Dominator!)
Not sure if this counts as a Legion siting but... for those of us who remember Dev-Em (in any of his incarnations, some better than others), he'll soon be making a TV appearance.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/21/dev-em-seg-el-and-more-for-krypton-cast/
I highly doubt he'll resemble any incarnation of Dev that we're familiar with, but if he's a spy or charming rogue, I'll be a happy camper! (assuming I give this show a try - I mean, my interest was at zero before hearing that Dev-Em would be appearing)
Yeah, Lemire's JLU wasn't that great, and he admitted that in interviews leading up to Extraordinary X-Men (I think compared to EXM, JLU is Eisner-worthy), but I think the first arc was fun, and it had the potential to be a smaller-scale JL book.

Seems my problems with The Infinitus Saga are the same as you guys'. Yeah, aside from Brainy, none of the Legion were characterised, and it didn't help that there were so many of them. I recall MArk Waid making a comment to some random that they're called the LEGION when that person said focusing on a smaller amount of characters at a time would help, so I dunno, maybe Lemire felt obligated to use lots of characters? Whatever the case, having recently re-read, it's just as boring as the first time.
I don't know if this counts as a sighting, but in Batman #2, Gotham Girl (she and Gotham are likened to Superman by Alfred and ahve his powers) specifically calls her vision power ultra-vision.

Not sure if this is an Ultra Boy reference or a reference to Earth-3 (never finished Johns' Justice League, maybe he set up more Earth-3 survivors). HOWEVER, King also references stuff that's out of continuity all the time, so I dunno.
Ironically, Ultra Boy referred to his super-vision as "flash vision" (heat-vision) or "penetra-vision," (x-ray vision)
You are right Drake. Still an interesting reference though.
Guys, did Justice League 3001 ever actually end?
Mentioned in the Relaunch thread, but Saturn Girl cameos in this week's Batman #9 by Tom King.
No no no no noooooooo
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10...c-rebirth-and-the-killing-joke-spoilers/
Is Batman aware of the Legion in this Rebirth continuity, or will anyone who calls herself "Saturn Girl from the future" just be another nutter?
FC, LOL lol

"It is not I who am crazy, it is I who am mad!"

- Ren from Ren & Stimpy

SaturnGirl
Superman namedrops Saturn Girl in Action Comics #966 (Since when were you a mindreader/I don't have to be Saturn Girl to see...)
DC's Facebook page posted a video of the Top Ten Legion moments. I know it is not a comic book, but I think it indicates it could get more exposure soon.
Not a full sighting (yet), but the big 8 page fold out spread for Justice League vs. Suicide Squad has the Emerald Empress on it. It also has Johnny Sorrow, so maybe these characters are teasing the return of the missing teams.

I'l admit, though, I have no clue who 3/7 of these people are. I recognise Emerald Empress (for Legion), Lobo (for JLA), Maxwell Lord (maybe he's the JLA villain? I mean, people have joked that the team is more of a JLI...) and Johnny Sorrow (JSA).

There are four others, who I'll just call Firesword, Stryfe Reaper and Grey Goblin.
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Barbarian

There are four others, who I'll just call Firesword, Stryfe Reaper and Grey Goblin.


Rustam (Old Suicide Squad Villain), Doctor Polaris & Eclipso
GUYS. BUY LOVE IS LOVE. THERE'S A LEGION STORY IN IT AND I THINK AMANDA CONNER DOES THE ART.

I KNOW THIS IS IN CAPS LOCK BUT THIS IS THE HAPPIEST I'VE BEEN IN WEEKS OH MY GOD.
Give us a clue as to characters, Sarky? It's listed as a pre-order on Comixology.
Diamond doesn't have it listed as shipping until next week.
It was supposed to come out yesterday.

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Guys I'm sorry. It turned out that image was really from a preview ad Amanda Conner did.

http://spandexinspace.tumblr.com/post/155039346289/where-did-that-scan-come-from-with-the-ranzz

But there IS a Legion story in it.
It's a happy image, no apologies necessary. I see in the preview ad that, of the 9 panels, 5 involve food...
Yes, the book is all 1 or 2 pagers. There is a one page Legion story with Superboy and Saturn Girl. None of the Conner art is in the book.
That's a bit of a win Sarky. Pointing out a piccy of the Ranzzes that also has Supergirl* and kitties *and* then letting us know of a Legion story. Supers!


*I'm not sure why Bruce looks as though he's come in from a really late night at the pub and is now watching unspeakable things on the BatWeb.
Not a DCU appearance per se, but on NBC's Powerless last night, in the video about bullying, Evillo appeared.

I still remember his first appearance 50 years ago against the Legion in Adventure Comics #351.
Originally Posted by Pete Ross
Not a DCU appearance per se, but on NBC's Powerless last night, in the video about bullying, Evillo appeared.

I still remember his first appearance 50 years ago against the Legion in Adventure Comics #351.


I just saw this on Hulu! It was pretty funny
Evillo:

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LOL
His prison number spells out his first appearance issue...
ADVCMX350
Adventure Comics 350
I guess his first issue was one issue earlier than I mentioned, although he didn't grow the horns until 351. I guess 351 also stood out to me as I read that when it first came out, but didn't read 350 until a few years later.

Thanks for the screen grab!
Originally Posted by kenaustin
LOL
His prison number spells out his first appearance issue...
ADVCMX350
Adventure Comics 350


Good catch! I didn't even notice!
Oh, excellent catch ken and well done to the folks behind it!
Latest issue of Justice League:
Cyborg arrives in 31st century Metropolis and is greeted by a Coluan who appears to be a Brainiac 5 with a pleasant disposition!

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/15/future-dc-universe-batwoman-justice-league-spoilers/


Brainiac5
The latest episode of Supergirl mentions Lex collected weapons and stored them around the world in bunkers. The Persuader's Atomic Axe is one of the weapons he collected to use against Superman.
JL 16 only has a few panels of Cyborg in the 30th century (His story will likely flesh out later). Brainy doesn't get dialogue but we get a full shot and he is quite young looking (like 8 or 9).
Over in Super Sons #2, a kid called Kid Amazo is basically a kid infected with the Amazo virus from Justice League and can duplicate powers. One of the things he can do is make copies of himself. I instantly thought it was a Luornu he was copying, so she might be in the present as well? Unless there's another DC hero who can make copies of themselves and is the modern era.

Though after giving it some thought, I guess maybe he's doing the after-images thing the Flash TV show popularised, though he'd have to be moving super fast, and he wasn't leaving any lightning, and Superboy didn't seem to spot it (though it WAS on a video).
JL 17 - Brainy gives Cyborg a flight bracelet, which he realizes has to be resized because Cyborg refashions it as a ring.
Meh

I'm actually finding the little Brainiac 5 kind of adorable. Serious, focused and intense without any snark.
Please I really hope they're not gonna say the Justice League is now the Legion's inspiration instead of Superman.
Originally Posted by Elvar
The latest episode of Supergirl mentions Lex collected weapons and stored them around the world in bunkers. The Persuader's Atomic Axe is one of the weapons he collected to use against Superman.


I believe there was a reference to "Rimbor" in the latest ep.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by Elvar
The latest episode of Supergirl mentions Lex collected weapons and stored them around the world in bunkers. The Persuader's Atomic Axe is one of the weapons he collected to use against Superman.


I believe there was a reference to "Rimbor" in the latest ep.


It wasn't the Atomic Axe. It was the axe another villain used in a season 1 episode (definitely not the Persuader).
Was it Vartox's axe? Anyway, it was definitely referred to as an "atomic axe" in Luthor's weapons vault.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Was it Vartox's axe? Anyway, it was definitely referred to as an "atomic axe" in Luthor's weapons vault.

I thought Vartox's Axe was destroyed but you may be right i had completely forgotten about it. Though wouldn't the DEO have taken possession of it?
If someone gets the latest issue of "Supergirl" featuring the Emerald Empress, can someone tell me if it's worth picking up as a Legion (and Empress) fan? Thanks!
Originally Posted by DrakeB3004
If someone gets the latest issue of "Supergirl" featuring the Emerald Empress, can someone tell me if it's worth picking up as a Legion (and Empress) fan? Thanks!


I'd say don't bother.

It's certainly not the story they implied it is. Superman shows up to talk with Kara (really just a way to lay out the new Status quo after "Reborn"), while they attend to matters at National City, one of the things they do is take on the Empress, no real explanation where she came from. She screams about Saturn Girl revealing to her it was all Supergirl's fault, Supergirl throws a truck at her and she disappears. That's it, less than two pages.
Yeah, I skimmed the issue, and the Emerald Empress plot is, like, 3 pages.
Also, I think I saw Clark say this eye is magic, so it's probs not Green Lantern tech.
I have no clue what that could mean.
In Kamandi Challenge #2 (art by Neal Adams, story by Peter Tomasi), there's a scene with a few DC comics (as Kamandi travels on what appears to be Metron's chair) including the Baxter LSH #1. The others are two Kamandi comics, one New Gods and Adams GL-GA #1.

The Legion book is an odd one since the others tie into the character or the creators. Maybe just a curiosity.
Legion sighting in Batman 21, unfortunately

It's just mentally unwell Saturn Girl screaming about how nothing will stop it and no one will save the Legion, not even Superman. Fun!
Yes the Batman 21 appearance was all set up. Seems like the "mysterious woman in the mental asylum" will be some kind of harbinger to mark events

At least the Legion is confirmed to exist... somewhere, somewhen
The only thing I found upsetting with the appearance was that Tom King has no idea how how hockey fights work!
What shocked me most was how great Jason Faboks artwork was. Didn't have him on my list ... really good job. Unfortunately the Lenticular Cover is not available outside the US and Canada ... is that Trumps doing? frown ?
Originally Posted by Chemical King
What shocked me most was how great Jason Faboks artwork was. Didn't have him on my list ... really good job. Unfortunately the Lenticular Cover is not available outside the US and Canada ... is that Trumps doing? frown ?


Count yourself lucky, my shop ONLY had the lenticular cover, so I had to shell out an extra buck.
I was just reading that DC were going back to an earlier time without DiDio at the helm. But lentils on covers isn't going to make me pick up books any more than Go Go Checks would get me back into a hippy '60s DC vibe! I will *not* buy Brother Power the Geek! I will *not*... sorry.. what... "lenticular"... sure I know what it means...ah...no... it means that?... oh...right...move along...move along...
In the latest Supergirl (#9), Supergirl and Batgirl tussle with the New-52 version of Magog, who, like the Empress last issue, accuses Kara of a future crime she needs to be held to accountable for. He also talks about being a member of the Fatal Five. Seems the Emerald Empress is assembling her own team again.
Bah! Mano would easily beat Magog at arm wrestling to get into the Fatal Five. Mind you, Mano would beat anyone at that...
Wouldn't it depend which arm was tied behind his back?
How consistently is it shown which arm he uses? I think I've seen him use energy blasts from both at one point.
I always thought it was supposed to be his right hand. But you might be right. Which leads to interesting questions about his sex life... No wonder he turned to villainy
The Atomic Axe appears in Justice League/Power Rangers #4.
Yes, because even holding someone in a chaste, pre marital way would have led to disaster >innocent eyelash flutter<
Originally Posted by Chemical King
What shocked me most was how great Jason Faboks artwork was. Didn't have him on my list ... really good job. Unfortunately the Lenticular Cover is not available outside the US and Canada ... is that Trumps doing? frown ?


It's actually because everywhere outside the U.S. the yellow smiley face is owned by The Smiley Corporation and has to be licensed for use. Within the U.S. the smiley is in the public domain. DC finds it easier to do different covers than pay the licensing fee for its use.
The Emerald Empress continues to recruit for the new Fatal Five over in Supergirl. The group now consists of her, Magog, Indigo, and a re-imagined version of Selena (the villain from the Supergirl movie).
Originally Posted by Lightning Lad
Originally Posted by Chemical King
What shocked me most was how great Jason Faboks artwork was. Didn't have him on my list ... really good job. Unfortunately the Lenticular Cover is not available outside the US and Canada ... is that Trumps doing? frown ?


It's actually because everywhere outside the U.S. the yellow smiley face is owned by The Smiley Corporation and has to be licensed for use. Within the U.S. the smiley is in the public domain. DC finds it easier to do different covers than pay the licensing fee for its use.


okay thank you Lightning Lad, that is really an interesting insight. smile
The Tornado Twins are in Flash #26.

And they're bad guys now because Barry Allen was a terrible father. Big surprise there.
GUYS.

DAWNSTAR IS ON THE COVER FOR BOMBSHELLS UNITED #2.
So in today's Supergirl Annual, the Emerald Empress's origin changed and she's now from Orando instead of Vengar. Her backstory sounds more like Falyce from the last Legion annual, but without the mutilation.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
So in today's Supergirl Annual, the Emerald Empress's origin changed and she's now from Orando instead of Vengar. Her backstory sounds more like Falyce from the last Legion annual, but without the mutilation.


That is assuming the story she tells Chase is true. It's awfully self-serving.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 08/31/17 09:01 AM
It's also possible that she was always from some other world, like Orando. She conquered Venegar with the power of the Emerald Eye, and forced the people there to declare her their Empress, but I don't know if it was originally said that Venegar was her home world...

OTOH, I'm not a fan of the Orando choice, just because I liked her end with Projectra, and how she claimed a kinship that Projectra didn't recognize (if she was actually from Orando, it would have confused the themes of that scene, IMO, and it was a great scene).

Or maybe this time The Empress is really the big sister of Projectra... stolen from the royal cradle for Haga (or another villain), raised for a poor adopted family.
Can be a good twist!
Did anyone read Dawny in Bombshells today?
Sarcasm Kid, I went ahead and read both Bombshells United #1 and #2. I haven't read any of the previous series, but it seemed necessary. For such a short book, there were a whole lot of unexplained references to people unseen. At the beginning, they kind of went through a list of characters that must've been in the other book, but they were obvious analogs to familiar DC female characters, so even without details about relationships and what had gone before, no problem. Unfortunately, with the exception of "the Wonder Woman", none of those appeared. Someone named Donna Troy and someone named Cassie Sandsmark were there, but neither of them seemed to be Wonder Girl, or had been. At least, not that was mentioned. Instead, there was a flurry of references to other characters that may or may not have been in the story or been important to the plot. Again, this title has very few pages, so there wasn't a whole lot of room for explanations. I had no problem following 5YL, but I really didn't get what was going on here. I did really like the style of art, which also added to the feel that it was 1943.

As far as Dawnstar goes, she was in three panels and had two lines, on of which was simply, "Diana!"
This comic takes place in 1943, the last one took place in 1942 and the conflict primarily focused on the Nazis in Europe. "Bombshells United" is focusing on the aftereffects of Pearl Harbor when America tried to intern its Japanese American citizens. Donna and Cassie didn't appear in the previous comic, this was their first appearance in the Bombshells universe.
Marguerite Sauvage tweeted artwork of Dawny in the next issues so there's going to be more focus on her.
From what I understand, Bombshells United is going to be more about spotlight stories on particular Bombshells (which makes the title an odd choice.) If it's handled well, you should be able to follow the stories and not worry about the other characters mentioned. Hopefully you should meet them all one by one and get filled in as you go.

I read the first half of the original series, but after the first yearlong story wrapped up I felt like I needed a break and never got back. I may dive straight back into the new series if it's got WW PLUS a Bonbshell version of Dawnstar.
In this week's Supergirl, she defeats the Empress by destroying the Eye (Tears it apart). The Empress fades, presumably back to her own time. Supergirl confirms the Eye is thousands of years old before she does the deed. The other Legion note of interest is that Mr. Bones is revealed to have manipulated the Emprress into the attack and also mentions that the "Hit" on Saturn Girl may not have played out as expected. So presumably Imra's still out there somewhere.
KFC The Colonel Corps giveaway

[Linked Image]
Elvar,

wait ... WHAT!?!

That's awesome(!), are they giving this away in stores? Or is it some online thing that gets mailed ?
Originally Posted by Evolution Has Failed
Elvar,

wait ... WHAT!?!

That's awesome(!), are they giving this away in stores? Or is it some online thing that gets mailed ?

I beleive it was in stores and digitally on line. here is a link that might tell you more https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-s-new-kfc-comic-turns-colonel-sanders-into-fried-chi-1783133189 and another http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/07/05/dc-comics-releases-kfc-the-colonel-corps/
I'll be honest. Those KFC comics terrify me.
Originally Posted by Elvar


thanks, Elvar totally missed these, looks like they've been out a year or so, I will see what I can dig up on Ebay (just looked, they appear to be $30 a pop for a physical copy!)

And I agree with Sarcasm Kid, these actually look scary!
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I'll be honest. Those KFC comics terrify me.

KFC's New Virtual Reality Training Video

You got that right.
I take it those are celebrity cameos. Surely, not everyone grins like an idiot in the midst of a crisis? Unless they're all behind the end of KFC's millennia long existence? Has everyone *really* forgiven them for their part in the McWars of the 22nd Century?
Blue Beetle revisited, ugh, Justice League 3000 and that whole Legion of Doom thing. And now they're explicitly referred to by their Legionnaire names, Saturn Girl, Mon-El.

But apparently now they're saying Lady Styx was brainwashing them or something.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
I take it those are celebrity cameos. Surely, not everyone grins like an idiot in the midst of a crisis? Unless they're all behind the end of KFC's millennia long existence? Has everyone *really* forgiven them for their part in the McWars of the 22nd Century?


Only the vegans can forgive.

But after what the Citadel did to Vega, it's completely understandable
Super-Sons Annual stars a new group of Super-Pets (Krypto, Streaky, Titus the Bat-Hound, Bat-Cow, Clay Critter and Flexi the Plastic Bird). Apparently, Krypto & Streaky had a big falling out after their "last mission" where one of their number didn't make it out, and this is the Superdog and Bathound trying to get the band back together.
Clay Critter, the Living Poop Emoji is...

Seen only in flashback, deceased before we really ever get to see him in action. Killed by Red Lanterns. I am broken-hearted.
Looks like Phantom Girl is in a book called "The Terrifics" that relates to this "Metal" thing that's a big deal in the DCU. First issue out 02/08/2018.

Having not bought a comic book since the Legion appeared in that "Infinitus" story in JLA, I have no idea what the background is (these days, I mostly frequent comic-book web sites for MCU movie news), but I figured this information belonged here.
I believe it's been confirmed that it's not *our* Phantom Girl.

Yes, thread here.
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
Originally Posted by thoth lad
I take it those are celebrity cameos. Surely, not everyone grins like an idiot in the midst of a crisis? Unless they're all behind the end of KFC's millennia long existence? Has everyone *really* forgiven them for their part in the McWars of the 22nd Century?


Only the vegans can forgive.

But after what the Citadel did to Vega, it's completely understandable


I'm late reading it but .... smile
The Bombshells United story arc from part 1 to 12 has Dawnstar as an important character. not in every part but most.
Saturn Girl has a brief appearance in Doomsday Clock #4 which looks like a set up for more in later issues.
WAIT. UGH. THAT WAS HER. I kept thinking of the Batman villain called "Jane Doe." I completely forgot about Imra.
Not so much a Legion sighting as a Legion-verse reference.

In Supergirl #20 Mokkari says "Need to escape! Darkseid no longer rules Apokolips ... but perhaps Tartarus! Yes! Evillo will surely grant me asylum ..."
Just saw these two!

The first is






Legion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age Omnibus Vol. 2 Hardcover – July 3, 2018
And the second one is
Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 2 Hardcover – July 17, 2018














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Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/07/18 05:47 AM
Wait, why, at that dual wedding, are the other Legionnaire roasting weenies shaped like themselves over the happy couples?

I just don't get these future customs...

And on that other cover, the orange explosion behind the team is Wildfire, who popped a stitch as he rushed out onto stage... You'll notice that the three in the back, closest to the explosion (Shady, Brainy and Cham) *aren't* smiling! They're too busy running for their lives!



Originally Posted by Set
And on that other cover, the orange explosion behind the team is Wildfire, who popped a stitch as he rushed out onto stage... You'll notice that the three in the back, closest to the explosion (Shady, Brainy and Cham) *aren't* smiling! They're too busy running for their lives!


Ah, the smiles of the Legion of Insanity, when they set off Powersphere explosions across Metropolis. My copy of that issue had all the teeth shaded in by a boy who grew up to be either a boxer or an dental hygienist.
Mordru has a guest appearance in Eternity Girl alongside Kismet and Mr. Keeper
The cliffhanger of Justice League: No Justice #2 has...

L.E.G.I.O.N.'s Vril Dox appear in a Coluan prison. Batman recognises him instantly, and Dox says they can call him "Brainiac 2.0".
Saturn Girl's in Doomsday Clock again and she is DEFINITELY a supporting character.
Although it's not the DCU proper, the Legion does appear in Injustice 2 #65.
They save Conner & Cassie who are left to die in space by Brainiac.

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Strange - looks like the post-ZH version but with Karate Kid wearing his pre-ZH uniform.
Originally Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller
Strange - looks like the post-ZH version but with Karate Kid wearing his pre-ZH uniform.

Well, Cham's the only one who's pretty much straight post-ZH. After that, Vi & Jo are heavily derivative but not the same, and Cos & Imra less so still.
It's not technically the "DCU proper", but apparently XS is going to appear on the Flash TV show.
So apparently they're doing an animated movie called Justice League Vs The Fatal Five.
Yup. No idea if the Legion will appear, though.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/...-league-vs-the-fatal-five-coming-in-2019
Saturn Girl shows up in Doomsday Clock number 6.

Probably too dark for people's tastes here but I thought it was a bit cool, she teams up with Rorschach. The book downplays super powers a lot so I'm not expecting to see her flying around in her costume. The book is really gritty but I actually thought Issue 6 focussing on the villains/psychopaths' perspectives, the Marionette and Mime, was very engaging.


This is the Saturn Girl teased in DC Universe: Rebirth Special #1.
I just read DOOMSDAY CLOCK #6 and saw hide nor hair of Saturn Girl... didn't care for the story, but the art was nice. I thought Saturn Girl would be present, considering #5. I wonder if she will use the vulgar language or decapitate anyone in a future issue...
Originally Posted by wes connors
I just read DOOMSDAY CLOCK #6 and saw hide nor hair of Saturn Girl... didn't care for the story, but the art was nice. I thought Saturn Girl would be present, considering #5. I wonder if she will use the vulgar language or decapitate anyone in a future issue...


ROTFLMAO Thanks, Wes, I needed a good laugh.
There's no Legion appearances in #8 either.
Mordru's gonna be involved with Justice League Dark
Latest return of the Legion tease released by Bendis.

https://www.cbr.com/bendis-dc-omac-legion-of-super-heroes-2019/
This is not how I wanted to start the new year.
By the time the glacial publishing of books has squeezed into the busy schedule of sound bite releases and convention appearances, it might be next year before you see it. smile

That it has appeared as a possible teaser, does mean it's probably passed the committee of lowest possible denominators they have.

The little links I picked up around it were very positive about editorial changes made by DC in this rebirth. Slavishly so. I've just got the two issues of Electric Warriors to go on.
Hope springs eternal and all, but don't know that I'm buying this is part of a plan. Feels more like a wink from the artist:

https://www.cbr.com/legion-of-super-heroes-green-lantern/
The Sun Boy cameo from GL, for anyone interested:

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Chatting up someone in a bar...or getting recruits for a Mutiny... of Space!
Superman and the Legion of Super-Pets (sans Proty) in Scooby Apocalypse #34.
(Also Atom Ant.)
In current Superman #7 (What Happened? Superboy's Lost Years) a 21st-century Grxyorian makes a cameo. No lines.
Doomsday Clock #9 is finally out and..
the Legion ring on the cover is Ferro Lad's thrown back through time by the explosion that killed him

Dr Manhattan claims that Ferro Lad was only a Legionnaire for a week before he died, so some more Legion history rewriting by Geoff Johns
Also

Apparently the Legion doesn't exist anymore because Manhattan's meddling with time when he killed Alan Scott back in the 1940s wiped out their future.
I actually enjoyed the opening to Doomsday Clock. Although it's clear that the Doomsday Clock is the bringing back of both past and future of DCU. Fingers crossed!
Ok and we get a key scene of Legion history in the latest Doomsday Clock. But literally one scene.
I hope all this teasing is going to pay off for us. I'm tired of waiting! *sigh* frown
Key Legion scenes it's likely to be :-

Superboy joining.
RJ Brande assassination attempt.

That's it.

Actually, since the Brande scene is a retcon it just leaves the first one. smile
Okay so this is kinda sort of a Legion reference, but in Green Lantern #9 there are cameos by Luma Lynai, Marvel Maid, and Mon-El's Golden Age counterpart Halk Kar as part of the "United Planets Superwatch."
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Okay so this is kinda sort of a Legion reference, but in Green Lantern #9 there are cameos by Luma Lynai, Marvel Maid, and Mon-El's Golden Age counterpart Halk Kar as part of the "United Planets Superwatch."

I would like to see this team make more appearances!
They might. They have an appearance at the beginning of the issue that feels like typical Morrison doing a prologue for a future arc.
Nice team http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.co...in-the-green-lantern-9-but-who-are-they/


United Planets Superwatch
Superwoman (Luma Lynai of Staryl)
Strong-Woman (Marta of Thronn)
Marvel Maid (Lea Lindy of Terra)
Regor (Winki Lamm of Uuz)
Logi of Durim
Quisto of Durim
Vartox of Valeron
Super-Male (Irn Brimba of Soomar)
Vidal (Allen Greene of Inter-Galactic Patrol)
Power-Boy (Zarl Vorne of Juno)
Hyperman (Chester King of Oceania)
Halk Kar of Thoron
Aeroman of Marr
Windlass of Marr
Hyperboy (Kirk Quentin of Trombus)
Hyperdog (Klypso of Trombus)
Maxima of Almerac
Dyno-Man of Sorrta
3 unknowns

1 of the unknowns is wearing the Solarman villain suit from Superman #298 https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Solarman_(Earth-One)
A lot of these were listed in my Titans wish list.
Maxima! I'm thrilled that she's back! I first read the Justice League books when she was around. She definitely deserves to be in the company of such powers.
This has got to be like Maxima's fourth redesign since 2011.
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
A lot of these were listed in my Titans wish list.


Okay thank you for this because now I finally know Girl Archer's name.
United Planets? Just how long has it been in place in this new continuity? I got the feeling that the payoff of Electric Warriors was its formation.
Not so much a sighting as a reference.

Event Leviathan #2

Plastic Man comes face to face with Leviathan who lists all the many teams PM has been a part of, finishing with "You have tried Everything, Patrick".

PM responds "I also gave up carbs and said NO to the Legion of Substitute Heroes. So give me a little credit."
A Legionnaire will have a cameo in one of tomorrow's books. I just can't say which yet.
There will be a Phantom Girl in The Terrifics too.
Never thought of this before but Plastic Man and Tenzil are written these days with somewhat similar characterisation, at least in terms of their throwoffs in the midst of - well anything. I mean they are still different since Plas seems a bit nuts whereas Tenzil is sane but just ready to joke at anything. Still I wonder what a meeting between the two would be like?
Could Plas be immortal and migrate to Bismoll at some point? Those malleable mandibles of his could be the start of the inhabitants' power. smile
He survived - what, 3000 years? - with his particles scattered all over the ocean during that Obsidian Age story...
XS appears in Flash today in a group shot of the Flash Family. It's the first time she's ever been referenced in this run.

For that matter her costume and appearance is the same, so either the Flash team didn't get the memo about Bendis' Legion or the new group IS a next generation deal.

That they remembered she's Black is a huge accomplishment for DC.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
He survived - what, 3000 years? - with his particles scattered all over the ocean during that Obsidian Age story...


Just what I was thinking of smile
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
XS appears in Flash today in a group shot of the Flash Family. It's the first time she's ever been referenced in this run.

For that matter her costume and appearance is the same, so either the Flash team didn't get the memo about Bendis' Legion or the new group IS a next generation deal.

That they remembered she's Black is a huge accomplishment for DC.


I love XS, would be happy to see her back.

I always did wonder what her and her father's ethnicity was. At times the art made her dad seem South Asian...
IB, my vibe from him was always South Asian, as well. It seemed a nice variation to me.
glad i’m not the only one who thought so KK smile I liked it too, yay for representation!
I'm pretty sure at least one of the creators has said he was meant to be South Asian.
GUYS.

The season finale of Young Justice has a Legionnaire in it!
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
GUYS.

The season finale of Young Justice has a Legionnaire in it!


Thanks!


A waitress at Bibbo's diner pours coffee for Megan and Conner and has a Legion Flight Ring on her finger. Her face isn't shown.

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TV: As you said, there’s going to be a fourth season. What can you tell us about that and what that Legion Flight Ring in the diner scene might mean for the future?

Greg Weisman: I think it says it all. We've got a blonde waitress, who we only see from behind. She's pouring coffee, and she's wearing a Legion of Super Heroes Flight Ring. And there's no way we're going to tell you anything more than that.

Brandon Vietti: No, but the promise of new heroes is something that we can always offer. That's, I think, the one thing that we can promise for season four. As always, you can rely on some new characters showing up, but I think fans are going to really love that we're kind of doubling down on our core season one characters that they already know and love. So beyond that, it's really hard to talk about anything further in the fourth season without giving too much away.
Well Doomsday Clock made it clear explaining Millennium won't be much of a problem, because

Imra's erased at the end of #11 upon answering Ozymandias's question if Superman remembers her. He does not. Only the ring's left behind. I hate Johns so much.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I hate Johns so much.

To be fair to Johns, I very much doubt this was the ending he had jntended when he teased Legion in Rebirth. It's a product of Legion being given to Bendis, complete with free reign to come up with an irreconcilable version.

OTOH, Legion was given to Bendis in significant part because DC got tired of Johns & Frank enjoying the whooshing sound of deadlines flying by. Between that, and Johns losing his exec position in the fallout of the JL movie bombing, Johns no longer had the clout to enforce whatever his vision was for a reason. (Notice how his Shazam series' scheduling has also gone sailing merrily into the sunset).
There's some irony in that Waid's last run was undermined by Johns being given free reign to introduce his take on the Legion in the first place.
If Imra was erased of the timeline in Doomsday clock 11.... what happen with the Emerald Empress or Linnya Wazoo, and the complete BGZTL dimensión?
Another time DC editorial don't have respect for the fans....
I hate Didio...and Bendis so much.....
Well Linnya wouldn't be affected because she's from the present day, and the Empress vanished after her role in Supergirl.
The geoff johns planned post doomsday clock legion is maybe back in hypertime. Should be easy to do a bgztl retcon so that it also has many non white races. For the Bendis fourboot legion, I will just pretend that it is a next generation legion in the 32nd century.
Regarding Doomsday Clock -

Originally Posted by brianmbendis via Instagram

@querl_dox all will be revealed at the end of doomsday clock. Sorry I can’t give more. Everything is a spoiler from this point forward
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
GUYS.

The season finale of Young Justice has a Legionnaire in it!

Thanks!

A waitress at Bibbo's diner pours coffee for Megan and Conner and has a Legion Flight Ring on her finger. Her face isn't shown.


In one of the shots before that, we see a waitress (not sure if it's the same one) from behind. Blonde ponytail....
Hey has anyone been following the United Planets Superwatch in Morrison's Green Lantern comic? They're basically a proto-Legion made up of obscure Silver Age characters like Luma Lynai and Halk Kar.
I remember them appearing in The Green Lantern #9 back in July and saw some discussion back then, but I haven't been following since. Not a Morrison fan. Any good?
Now in Flash 750.... Wally says..." The Justice Society and The Legion Of Super-Heroes... they both reappaer in the timeline.. Moments and Memories once erased .. return. But time and reality are not fixed only adjusted... This needs investigating ..how is this new version of reality different?"
This give me a hope that maybe Wally can bring back the classic Legion in some point...
And XS in a splash page with Flash Family.
AFOB makes the scene, along with the rest of his family, in this week's Jimmy Olsen #9!

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I've finally picked up From Beyond the Unknown #1 - the 100 page giant that has a new LSH story from the classic Levitz period. I had to order it from Midtown Comics because I was tired of the hold on new comics.

Vi is still in her Grell outfit, and Cham is still red, but Jacques is in it. So maybe it's around the Great Darkness Saga?

It definitely has a classic vibe to it - the effective teamwork, the danger of relatively nameless villains, some of the dialogue between Legionnaires.

Dawnstar is solid in it - her powers and her attitude really shines in it.
Colossal Boy feels off. His dialogue is a little too 'dumb beefy cop' for me - rash and a bit of bluster.

All in all, 8 pages, 9 Legionnaires for $4.99. Which is not so bad if you consider the other 92 pages of story. Unfortunately I had the Adam Strange/Superman and the Katma Tui stories already.
The United Planets Superwatch is gonna be prominent again in Green Lantern
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
I've finally picked up From Beyond the Unknown #1 - the 100 page giant that has a new LSH story from the classic Levitz period. I had to order it from Midtown Comics because I was tired of the hold on new comics.

Vi is still in her Grell outfit, and Cham is still red, but Jacques is in it. So maybe it's around the Great Darkness Saga?

It definitely has a classic vibe to it - the effective teamwork, the danger of relatively nameless villains, some of the dialogue between Legionnaires.

Dawnstar is solid in it - her powers and her attitude really shines in it.
Colossal Boy feels off. His dialogue is a little too 'dumb beefy cop' for me - rash and a bit of bluster.

All in all, 8 pages, 9 Legionnaires for $4.99. Which is not so bad if you consider the other 92 pages of story. Unfortunately I had the Adam Strange/Superman and the Katma Tui stories already.

I just picked this up off comixology (only .99 for just the Kamandi and Legion stories).

Definitely a brief but fun excursion into classic Bronze Age Legion. I really enjoyed it far more than anything in the current series!
Hey guys so good news, a certain someone really did have their story pushed back in a new DC issue this week.

Johns intended to do a Superboy Prime story in Shazam #13 but it looks like it was cut to focus on Mister Mind
Ugh. Just the mention of that creator and that character in the same sentence annoys me.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Ugh. Just the mention of that creator and that character in the same sentence annoys me.

Same here.

But at least the story itself got eighty-sixed! Yay!
At least for now. shrug
Not quite the Legion but the Tornado Twins are currently appearing "The Flash" #756 (briefly) and #758 and looking like being in the next one or two issues.
Apparently in this version after Barry left them and died during Crisis they felt abandoned and were "saved" and trained/raised by "Uncle Eobard" Reverse-Flash and have now joined his Legion of Doom. This version aren't that keen on their Dad.
No one's keen on that man.
HEY GUESS WHAT THE SUPER-PETS ARE COMING BACK

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-...-super-pets-for-death-metal-in-november/

I HATE IT
The question is: Will DC Comics ever stop doing these awful things to their characters? For that matter, will DC Comics even exist anymore in five years?
I don't understand how that would appeal to *anybody*.
Yuk
BTW Gemworld and Mordru get a reference in the Death Metal Guidebook.

Gemworld's still part of Earth, and one of the evil Batman characters killed his Earth's version of Mordru alongside the other magic users so he could become Bat-Mage

...I still hate it
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
HEY GUESS WHAT THE SUPER-PETS ARE COMING BACK

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-...-super-pets-for-death-metal-in-november/

I HATE IT

Wow, this makes me sad. frown

the ONLY excuse is if it is somehow intended to come out around Halloween, but it looks like the whole series is like this...
No doubt they want to keep the trademark on Bat Cow alive for some future blockbuster movie.

It does have a feel of a destroy everything temper tantrum, but the whole Metal series is unappealing to me anyways.
Agreed. Way back at the end of "Final Night" the comment is made that Superman and Batman are like the two heroes that everyone else follows one or the other, one representing hope for the best and the other prepare for the worst. In these more cynical days it seems that only Batman as seen as the model for the DC Universe. The backstories of the distorted alternate Batman characters from the first Metal were interesting as a sort of tragic what-if but I did not enjoy the crossover itslef and even now, having read it and looked back at it occasionally to remind myself, I cannot really remember the plot. This new round is totally unappealing to me.
Apologies if this should be or has been posted elsewhere, but just wanted to note that the first episode of Hulu's Dicktown has a cosplayer dressed as Mon-El and two characters exchanging a "Long Live the Legion" farewell. Thank you John Hodgman.
Originally Posted by Awkward Pause Boy
Apologies if this should be or has been posted elsewhere, but just wanted to note that the first episode of Hulu's Dicktown has a cosplayer dressed as Mon-El and two characters exchanging a "Long Live the Legion" farewell. Thank you John Hodgman.

That's the first I've heard of it. Cool.
There is an appearance of the Legion of Super Pets (sort of) in DCeased - Hope at World's End 8.

This is not a title I frequent but I saw an ad suggesting the LSP were in it and they are - in a way. Krypto is there and ...
Ace the Bat-hound, a normal white horse named Comet, plus Detective Chimp who I guess counts as an animal if not a pet.

The story is reasonably good, not wonderful but alright, if short. At least it plays fair with the characters.
Funny they never created a Legion of Super-Villain Pets back in the Adventure days.
^^The closest thing was the Phanty-Cats, pets of the Phantom Zone criminals and enemies of the Space Canine Patrol Agents!
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Funny they never created a Legion of Super-Villain Pets back in the Adventure days.

They regularly fought the Feline Five in All Pets Monthly, just after DC's Gorilla craze of the '60s.

Cheshire Cat: Teleporter
Meow Mixyztplk: Sorcery
Big Tom: Strength/ endurance/ bloody mindedness
Schrodinger: Probability Manipulation
The Claw: Claws of doom.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Schr?dinger: Probability Manipulation

LOL lol

I've always wanted to do a story where a not-very-worldly character inquires, "Shrodinger? Isn't he the one who plays the piano?"
Those would all make great additions to the Space Cat Patrol Agency!

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Your home would be a radioactive wasteland as Atomic Tom nuked every mouse bird and rival kitty in sight.

Crab Tabby is going straight to the vet to fix that.
Prime's in Shazam THIS week. Honestly it's not as offensive as I was expecting.
News from this week's Flash.

XS is in this issue of Flash, REPEAT, Jenni Ognats is in this issue and like actually does stuff. She doesn't do much, but her appearance has remained unaltered with absolutely no indication she is part of the Bendis Legion. Which means there's hope for all of us.

Oh also Reverse Flash takes credit for Heroes in Crisis. That's not really relevant to the Legion but I [REDACTED BECAUSE IT'S TOO FILTHY] hate Heroes in Crisis and hope it gets [WHOA SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT WITH THIS KID].
So what's the deal with Bart Allen these days? Is he from Earth-247 or what?
As of right now Bart's origin is exactly the same as it was before Flashpoint, because he was yet another victim of Barry Allen's selfishness and Doctor Manhattan's sociopathy when he was trapped in the Speed Force with all the other speedsters who actually MATTER
A brief appearance of Emerald Empress in a flashback in Wonder Woman 761. A pity that we will never know the reason for her hatred of Supergirl and The Legion, and her new origin in Orando. Which I suppose it will be from another universe, because in this Orando, its inhabitants are normal humans and not pink zombies as in the current Bendis Legion. Would it be familiar to Projectra in this version?


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Jenni and Bart make me happy smile
A reminder the Super-Pets will be in next week's Death Metal issue
"...because you and your friends control the flow of justice in this world." - One of the cringiest lines of dialogue I've heard in a while. "Hey, Aquaman! Turn of the Justice tap will ya? It's not like water, ya know."

It seems likely that Flash has hooves in this incarnation, judging by the structure of his leg. Bitten by a radioactive mountain goat, it was Barry Allen's destiny to join the Justice League.

Maybe he could join the super pets when they appear?
That would've sounded funny in the old Super Friends cartoon: "Meanwhile, at the Flow of Justice..."
That's either Zan's attempt at a new catchphrase ("feel the flow of justice!") or the time of the month he tries to avoid Jayna.
For anyone sick of how Jon Kent's portrayed in Legion, check out LAUREL Kent in Very Merry Multiverse.

Also the Booster Gold story mentions the Legion a couple times
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
For anyone sick of how Jon Kent's portrayed in Legion, check out LAUREL Kent in Very Merry Multiverse.

Also the Booster Gold story mentions the Legion a couple times

Can I check it out even if I like how Jon Kent is portrayed in the Legion?
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
For anyone sick of how Jon Kent's portrayed in Legion, check out LAUREL Kent in Very Merry Multiverse.

Also the Booster Gold story mentions the Legion a couple times

Can I check it out even if I like how Jon Kent is portrayed in the Legion?

This is unprecedented, but I guess so.
GUYS. The Superboy in Generations is classic Clark from the Legion
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
GUYS. The Superboy in Generations is classic Clark from the Legion

Do any Legionnaires appear?
I'm not sure, but next week's DC books have a thing for Generations identifying which era each character is from.
Man... Golden Age Batman teaming up with Silver Age Superboy sounds kind of awesome...
Seriously, it's a pretty cool looking team...

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Agreed. Cool.
I would've added at least one more female, but otherwise...
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Seriously, it's a pretty cool looking team...

Dr. Light alone has gotten me interested. But I agree, cool-looking team, nice mix of personalities...
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Seriously, it's a pretty cool looking team...

Dr. Light alone has gotten me interested. But I agree, cool-looking team, nice mix of personalities...

The team wonder how they are going to keep their beaten mega-foe imprisoned. Fortunately Original Recipe Batman has an idea, and shoots the villain in the head.

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Punching hard enough to hit someone through time very close to hitting something hard enough to reshape reality.
There's also a lot of Legion and Legion-related stuff in Generations Shattered # 1 as well.
Nice seeing all the Legion content, including a significant appearance by a fave underused villain, but the story itself felt like a watered down combination of COIE/Zero Hour. Not much new here. Still, a fun grouping of characters.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Nice seeing all the Legion content, including a significant appearance by a fave underused villain, but the story itself felt like a watered down combination of COIE/Zero Hour. Not much new here. Still, a fun grouping of characters.
That's pretty much how I felt about it too. Dan Jurgens is not really good on the subtle, and the big events he has written lately seem a bit too ... simplistic? ... to me. Would have been nice to drag out who the mystery villain was but I guess that wouldn't have fit the publication plan. Still it was nice to see the old Legion again.
even if the lineup was a bit weird. It looked like the peak Levitz period but as well as including Sensor Girl it also has Ferro Lad, Chemical King and both Invisible Kids. Still I guess it doesn't matter since that timeline was destroyed anyway.
Wow! The lineup of The Legion in Generatios Shattered is the ideal! So sad, this timeline was destroyed... I hope this version returns in some way... Because is fantastic!
Yes I did enjoy the lineup. My only personal disappointment is the lack of Tellus and Quislet. The only non-humanoid on the team is Blok and to a lesser extent Cham.
It's comforting to see the classic Legion kept alive (in terms of publishing), even if it's not the classic lineup. It keeps the door open for tales from another timeline.
Seeing what seemed to be a very young Superboy with that lineup seemed very incongruous to me.

But, yeah, always nice to see some variant of the old school Legion showup.
Could've done without

Seeing Imra being the first one to get killed. I went on tumblr and made this in response: https://judedeluca.tumblr.com/post/639517633769881600/my-thoughts-on-generations-shattered
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Could've done without

Seeing Imra being the first one to get killed. I went on tumblr and made this in response: https://judedeluca.tumblr.com/post/639517633769881600/my-thoughts-on-generations-shattered

Ouch. Was it that bad a comic that ...

you'd want any or all of the current cast killed off in the place of whatever happened?
I've got a copy on hold. Is the appearance more significant than a cameo?
Yeah, pretty significant. Similar to, say, COIE #3.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Could've done without

Seeing Imra being the first one to get killed. I went on tumblr and made this in response: https://judedeluca.tumblr.com/post/639517633769881600/my-thoughts-on-generations-shattered

Ouch. Was it that bad a comic that ...

you'd want any or all of the current cast killed off in the place of whatever happened?

ugggggggggGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH-

No. I'm tempted, but I'm not willing to sacrifice

the current Legion to get one of the old Legions back. Though let me be clear this is on PRINCIPLE alone.
Stay strong to those principles. Although, if it gets worse, be flexible to change them! smile
This isn't a DC appearance, BUT

In one of the latest Goosebumps books by R.L. Stine, the main character mentions his favorite superhero is Double-Header. He has two heads, one good and one evil. He "might be the first superhero ever with two heads."
Thanks for that Sarky. It's nice to see some love for the Subs.
DC recently announced they're doing a series where we'll be seeing stories that were completed but unpublished.

https://www.gamesradar.com/dc-to-re...ghtwing-and-batman-stories-in-new-title/

You think there might be a chance to see some lost Legion stories?
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
DC recently announced they're doing a series where we'll be seeing stories that were completed but unpublished.

https://www.gamesradar.com/dc-to-re...ghtwing-and-batman-stories-in-new-title/

You think there might be a chance to see some lost Legion stories?
The original Legion Headquarters Secret Origin featured Superboy before editorial pulled it. Secret Origins the series also had a few individual members like Mon-El lined up before it was cancelled. And other than the lost Jim Starlin pages (which I don't think DC has access to), I can't think of any other Legion stories that could be featured.

Steve Lightle had created a Legionnaire series, but not sure any issues were produced for it other than just the pitch. There was supposed to be a Legion of Super-Heroes: The Beginning series before we got "Legionnaires," so maybe there was an issue of that produced before they switched gears?

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Can only recall one confirmed unpublished Legion story -- a SECRET ORIGINS Mon-El story by Robert Loren Fleming...
This is actually Marvel related BUT

https://www.cbr.com/heroes-reborn-hyperion-imperial-guard-one-shot/
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid

Thanks for the heads up! I guess it'll have to do with no Legion in the foreseeable future.
*In blatant denial* I can't believe it's been nearly a decade since a new Legion comic came out.
Future State: Immortal Wonder Woman shows the Future State Legion's fate -

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
Future State: Immortal Wonder Woman shows the Future State Legion's fate -

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Uh. Did this just reveal who the person with the S-crest is ahead of next week's issue?

The El woman in front seems to resemble Kara, but it doesn't fit with what we know of Kara in the other Future State titles, so...

edit: Wait, it seems the helmted s-crested character is actually floating in the background there. Still feels like a huge spoiler to reveal the two people up front though.
Oh look they're holding hands
So not a whole lot of Legion content in Generations Forged, but it's got a rather curious portrayal of Nemesis Kid's power.

I'm not going to try to make any sense one the take on continuity presented in this new Linearverse or whatever, because even if I could make sense of it, I doubt it's really going to affect much of anything.
https://www.cbr.com/supergirl-woman-of-tomorrow-tom-king-bilquis-evely/

Oh sweet Jesus no
Apparently, there's a minor Legion cameo in Infinite Frontier #0 (don't have this issue myself yet) -

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Dreamer is going to appear in June in DC's Pride anthology, and her story's written by her actress.
Posted By: Ivy Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/11/21 06:59 PM
Nicole is writing a story, I can't wait, I love her so much!
Here's the press release: https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/...nthology-comic-to-arrive-june-8-and-more
Posted By: Ivy Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/01/21 11:53 PM
Nathan Fillion confirmed playing arm-fall-off boy (or man I guess) in suicide squad in new theatrical trailer.
I had no idea that's who Fillion was. Brilliant.
DC's Festival of Heroes will have a pin-up of Karate Kid and Dragonmage by Philip Tan
I'm sure that will inspire readers to check out the latest adventures of Karate Kid and Dragonmage!
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 04/17/21 09:29 AM
Ooh, the sarcasm, it burns.

And now I wonder which Karate Kid will it be? Dead Val or Dead Myg? smile
Originally Posted by Set
Ooh, the sarcasm, it burns.

And now I wonder which Karate Kid will it be? Dead Val or Dead Myg? smile

How should I know? Who do I look like, Mr. Miyagi?
The pinup:

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Originally Posted by Reboot
The pinup:

With what appears to be the reboot Legion in the background. For sure Jan's reboot/SW6 outfit.
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Originally Posted by Reboot
The pinup:

With what appears to be the reboot Legion in the background. For sure Jan's reboot/SW6 outfit.
Fairly sure it's SW6. That's definitely not postboot Ferro, given the Fe on his forehead, plus preboot Legionnaires is when Dragonmage was an actual Legion member.
Yep, good call. Also, Reep's costume is definitely NOT the reboot's
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Yep, good call. Also, Reep's costume is definitely NOT the reboot's
I had a closer look. Inferno (Sun Boy) is on the far left, beside Ferro, and Gossamer (Spark) is also on the left side in front of Leviathan. Definitely SW6.
Yep, definitely see the feathers on Ayla's costume.

Nice callback for this poster - SW6 doesn't get enough love.
I mean that's a cool poster but highlighting a character who hasn't appeared as part of a team in over 2 decades isn't really the big win for diversity they think it is, especially when I doubt there's any plans to bring him back...."we love Asians, here's one that was in like a dozen comics before some of you were born! Haha no he's long dead now go buy Batman"

Yikes DC
I completely agree with everything there raz.

It speaks to DC's tone deafness in their business as well as with the Legion itself.

DC is releasing their Pride comic next month and zero references to anyone in the Legion as they are focusing on current continuity characters only, so no callback to Ayla & Vi who were there decades before celebrating LGBT month was a thing.

That being said, if they HAD featured a non-Bendisverse character, it would have been construed as "here are characters you love, but you can't see them anymore." I may have to steal your "now go buy Batman" bit, as its brilliant. lol
Looking closer I see the main Preboot Legion behind KK, which also means that the older Cham appears twice! (unless the SW6 image is of that Cham before he was killed? In which case we should see Projectra and the SW6 KK there as well.)

Who is the woman in the bottom left corner of the Preboot Legion with the fancy wrist bands? Mental blank.

(I need one of those character guides with the images numbered that they used to print with the group shots.)
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Yep, good call. Also, Reep's costume is definitely NOT the reboot's
interestingly, that seems more like late Threeboot Cham. SW6 Chameleon had the exact same costume as Reboot Cham.
It does look more like the late theeeboot outfit, but could be a take on his Adventure Era outfit, which means they did actually give us the actual SW6 Cham (the one who is killed with KK and Projectra), rather than the Adult Cham who joined the Legionnaires team.
Originally Posted by razsolo
I mean that's a cool poster but highlighting a character who hasn't appeared as part of a team in over 2 decades isn't really the big win for diversity they think it is, especially when I doubt there's any plans to bring him back...."we love Asians, here's one that was in like a dozen comics before some of you were born! Haha no he's long dead now go buy Batman"

Yikes DC

I have a feeling that Tan asked to draw these specific characters. Since it's just a pin-up, there was no need for it to be current or anything, so they let him. It's not really DC editorial highlighting Dragonmage; it's Philip Tan.
Originally Posted by stile86
Who is the woman in the bottom left corner of the Preboot Legion with the fancy wrist bands? Mental blank.)

Nura.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
It does look more like the late theeeboot outfit, but could be a take on his Adventure Era outfit, which means they did actually give us the actual SW6 Cham (the one who is killed with KK and Projectra), rather than the Adult Cham who joined the Legionnaires team.

This may be why I'm so confused, since they kept playing musical Chams at that point
I mean... it's a bit weird, since I'm pretty sure that character never met Dragonmage, but it's the best explanation I can come up with.
The SW6 Cham who died, yeah, didn't meet Dragonmage. Only the adult Cham did... and as the adult Cham joined the SW6 team, I also now think of him as the SW6 Cham... lol
Originally Posted by supragirl
Originally Posted by stile86
Who is the woman in the bottom left corner of the Preboot Legion with the fancy wrist bands? Mental blank.)

Nura.
Of course it is. Thanks.
Originally Posted by supragirl
Originally Posted by razsolo
I mean that's a cool poster but highlighting a character who hasn't appeared as part of a team in over 2 decades isn't really the big win for diversity they think it is, especially when I doubt there's any plans to bring him back...."we love Asians, here's one that was in like a dozen comics before some of you were born! Haha no he's long dead now go buy Batman"

Yikes DC

I have a feeling that Tan asked to draw these specific characters. Since it's just a pin-up, there was no need for it to be current or anything, so they let him. It's not really DC editorial highlighting Dragonmage; it's Philip Tan.
Good point and well said. Sometimes we can get a bit - I dunno - too cynical perhaps? - in our views and it is good to be reminded that we can often attribute decisions to good motives as well.
I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them!
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them!

THIS.

Thank you, EDE, for saying what needed to be said.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them!
That would be so nice.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them!

I completely agree with that. I was ecstatic to see Tan use the classic design for Val, but then I have to remember the actual costume in current continuity is still a racist mess. Dragonmage hasn't been seen since a few brief cameos in PZH, and there's no signs of him returning.

I had just wanted to point out that it wasn't DC digging up these characters going 'LOOK WE HAVE THESE DIVERSE CHARACTERS' (which they are absolutely guilty of, look at poor Simon Baz), it was Phillip Tan saying 'I love these characters and want to draw something for them.'
Yeah, I totally agree with that, supragirl.

The WB folks have been driving everything except Batman into the ground (and - to be fair, most of the animated properties), which makes the long timers like me very jaded, I think. (Note that we can't blame it on AT&T anymore wink )
Posted By: Ivy Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/23/21 02:51 AM
I know correctly dealing with such important issues as race is hard, but I wish companies like DC could pull themselves together and give us much beloved characters back, but in a more culturally excepted way. (Depending on how the movie goes this may bite me in the butt, but in marvel Chan-Chi started out as a very racist Asian depiction, but the MCU?s portrayal of him so far looks like it will be much more culturally accurate portrayal of him.)
Dreamer will make her DC Universe debut tomorrow in the DC Pride Anthology issue in an 8 page story by the actress who plays her. She apparently also appears in the Aqualad story as a member of the Justice League Queer with Aqualad and 6 other young heroes.

https://www.cbr.com/justice-league-queer-aqualad-dreamer/

https://twitter.com/mikhalmc/status/1390764968367169538
Yeah about that...

The Dreamer story is most definitely set within the Supergirl TV show universe, and she's not in the Aqualad/JLQ story at all. So while this IS a comic appearance, she hasn't debuted in the DCU yet.

Aside from Kara, Dreamer and Brainy in Nia's story, there's NO mention of any other Legionnaire in the entire anthology. No pin-ups and there's no character guide like the Festival of Heroes one-shot.
Sad on both accounts, Still a good story though.

The only thing that remotely give me pause was Brainiac 5's physical appearance seemed off from his TV look and more like the mainstream Brainiac missing the three discs on his forehead.
thanks for the news, Elvar, Sarky!

I'm definitely interested in checking these out!
Look not to be a spoilsport but how does DC have the gall to produce a one-shot for Pride Month and their only Legion story is just about someone connected to the Legion but not actually a Legionnaire. The Legion was queer back when you had to hide behind subtext, and the idea they don't get their own segment when DC's looking to make money off Pride is pretty much an insult. No Condo/Lyle, Briany/Lyle, Ayla/Vi, or even an attempt to do Shvaughn Erin as transgender properly this time.

They don't even have any DOOM PATROL stories, and they were like THE queerest team DC had next to the Legion.

I'm not dumping on Nicole Maines I'm happy she got to write a story about Dreamer, but I'm really tired of this performative nonsense. This is a step up from how DC usually acts, but was essentially the bare minimum.
Sarky, I feel exactly the same.

After decades of having a few characters here and there that "might" be gay (wink, wink) this has the feeling of the company just saying, "Look, we're woke, too!"

As I've said about this release in the past, the fact that there's no REAL Legion tie in is kind of a disgrace considering the trail that title blazed with the relationships that you mentioned.

If they can have a non-continuity drawing to celebrate Asian Heritage, they can do a non-continuity story about the Legion.
I feel it's disingenuous as hell for DC to say 'this is the introduction of CW's Dreamer in the DCU!' only for the story to obviously be CW canon.

Someone on Twitter pretty much told me to settle for DC's scraps when I said I was sick of the bare minimum, and I don't know... I guess I'm just a cynical lesbian who is tired.
As a cynical nonbinary autochorissexual I say to hell with accepting the bare minimum.
Originally Posted by supragirl
...settle for DC's scraps...

Well, first, that totally sounds like the cesspool of Twitter.

Second, and unfortunately, scraps and bare minimum appears to be the modus operandi for DC & WB as regards to the LSH.
Originally Posted by supragirl
I feel it's disingenuous as hell for DC to say 'this is the introduction of CW's Dreamer in the DCU!' only for the story to obviously be CW canon.

Someone on Twitter pretty much told me to settle for DC's scraps when I said I was sick of the bare minimum, and I don't know... I guess I'm just a cynical lesbian who is tired.
Not sure anything in the story makes it non canon to current DC since the last Supergirl series placed her in National City with Catco, the Danvers, DEO, Cat Grant ect. On the surface though it seems like it's placed in the TV universe.
I am with all of you, it's about time DC started coming out (heh) and saying: yes, Lyle and Condo WERE/ARE in a gay male relationship. Yes, Vi and Ayla WERE/ARE in a lesbian relationship!

They do it with other characters, like Mikaal Tomas, Batwoman...

Look at how many out and proud Marvel heroes there are, too.

So why not the Legion, touted as an example of acceptance and diversity, as an example of a bright future we should all aspire to? I mean, that's what got me hooked into the Legion in the first place...

Closest we've had are Jed and Tel (if I remember right), who didn't actually make it onto the team...
Brainiac 5 version of the Supergirl's TV show has a fleeting appearance in the horrifying DC Pride. Dreamer's character is an outrage on Dream Girl's legacy.
Spoilers if you haven't seen "THE(2021) Suicide Squad", but...


Arm Fall-Off Boy makes his big-screen debut, albeit sightly altered in name and form as "T.D.K" (The Detachable Kid).

He sports the upgrade of having both arms come off, and that he can control them telekinetically, but no doubt this character is inspired by Arm-Fall-Off Boy. I would certainly not believe any denial of it.

I think this is perhaps one of the few, if only, BIG SCREEN Legion-character references.


You know, it would be REALLY interesting to see a James Gunn version of the Legion. Just saying.
Guys, there's two things to discuss regarding Infinite Frontier #6 and connections with the Legion.

First:

Pariah shows an ability to create new Earths just for an individual. He sends Barry Allen to an Earth designated "Earth-Flash.1" where Barry's happy with a family consisting of his mom, Iris, Wally as Kid Flash, Jay Garrick, a younger Wallace West, and younger versions of the Tornado Twins.

Second:

Darkseid claims he's gathering forces for the sake of trying to tap into a very old and very dangerous power that's existed long before there was any Crisis events. He specifically means "The Great Darkness." And I now believe THIS might be what Bendis's Legion was alluding to when they kept mentioning it.
I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it.
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it.

I'm indifferent to it.
I'm going for generally indifferent.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it.

I'm indifferent to it.


Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I'm going for generally indifferent.

Great minds think alike! smile
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it.

I'm indifferent to it.


Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I'm going for generally indifferent.

Great minds think alike! smile

I was about to post that! wink
I'm certifiable.
I guess at the end of the day, I don't care either way, but completely by coincidence, I happen to start the GDS (the prologue) as part of my classic Legion read through.

I dunno - at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, but they are yet again taking a concept and recycling it. I'll most likely not buy/read it and that will be that...
I haven't really cared about Infinite Frontier anyway. They say the same stuff about how everything's different or it all matters and they don't really mean it. They throw out tidbits about a character's past like a memory of an old costume or relationship and then keep barreling forward with the same status quo while patting themselves on the back for making a change.

John Ridley wrote in a comic that people don't really change, they just become more of what they already are. That can either mean your good traits flourish or your bad traits fester, and in the case of DC it's the latter.

I trust Joshua Williamson as much as I trust Johns, Bendis, and everyone else that's not Colleen Doran or Devin Grayson or a select handful of people who knew what they were doing.
https://www.gamesradar.com/justice-league-vs-legion-of-super-heroes/

I hate people.
That's a lotta characters running around with dialog!
Or standing around in the background not saying anything, if the last Legion run is any indication!
WHAT DID WE DO TO DESERVE THIS?

DID ONE OF US SECRETLY MURDER SOMEONE WHO IS NOW HAUNTING ALL OF US?????

I mean it's not me. All my murders are right out there on twitter.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Or standing around in the background not saying anything, if the last Legion run is any indication!

so every time someone reacts to something, we'll see every single team member flying around again. yay!
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
WHAT DID WE DO TO DESERVE THIS?

DID ONE OF US SECRETLY MURDER SOMEONE WHO IS NOW HAUNTING ALL OF US?????

I mean it's not me. All my murders are right out there on twitter.

Pretty sure it was me...
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
WHAT DID WE DO TO DESERVE THIS?

DID ONE OF US SECRETLY MURDER SOMEONE WHO IS NOW HAUNTING ALL OF US?????

I mean it's not me. All my murders are right out there on twitter.

Pretty sure it was me...

Considering the time I spent planting the evidence, I'm pretty sure it was you too. smile
Considering the amount of money thoth paid me to swear to it, I'm pretty sure it was GL too!
New teasing and answers by Bendis and connection to the end of the Infinite Frontier series:

I don't know how to take some of his comments given the result...it sounds more like he's trying to justify himself rather than selling the story...
sigh, given his track record I am not expecting much
LEGION. IN YOUNG JUSTICE. HBO MAX. WATCH. NOW.

[Linked Image from 64.media.tumblr.com]
I like the designs of the characters!
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
LEGION. IN YOUNG JUSTICE. HBO MAX. WATCH. NOW.

[Linked Image from 64.media.tumblr.com]

Nice!
THEY'RE MY BABIES! THEY'RE MY BABIES AND I LOVE THEM!!!!!
Looks like a mix of the current Legion with earlier designs.
The blending really does a good job of helping me ignore whatever influence of Bendis is present.

But I swear to God if they feature Garth and/or Ayla they better have actual red hair.
Neat! always glad to see more Legion representation elsewhere. Some of my cousins are big fans of Young Justice too, maybe it will get them into the Legion.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 10/17/21 07:27 PM
I would have to go back and watch the first two Young Justice: Phantoms episodes again, but I'm pretty sure that there was a Legion-flight-ring wearing person on Earth, as well, covertly watching the team, so there might be more Legionnaires in the past than Cham, Tinya and Imra.
I thought that was Saturn Girl and she followed them to Mars?
Not quite a Legion appearance but ...

Action Comics #1036 "Warworld Saga part 1": the first 3 pages take place on Durla and focus on Thaaros, Highlord of Durla who is writing his resignation message before taking up the role of Lord Premier of the United Planets.

Three things of note.

I think this is the first speaking appearance of Durlans in the UP portrayed in the more recent Superman comics. At least one appeared in the crowds at the founding of the UP but they were not one of the races that spoke during that event. Nevertheless this would make them one of the founding planets and an important one if their leader is to become the leader of the UP.

Their appearance here is very similar to that of President Brande as drawn by Sook in LSH volume 8. I suppose that makes sense except why does Cham look different to that. Also their background appearance st the UP founding was the more usual cloaked figure with green tentacles appearing out of the hood. So is the Brande look their new standard shape for outsiders? Except the scenes here are on Durla and only amongst Durlans.

The setting is a beautiful garden on Durla "the eternal gardens of Valduril, the pride of our homeworld these six thousand generations". Thaaros expresses in his message his "hope to bring the prosperity, harmony, and beauty of Durla to other, less fortunate worlds". I am not sure how we are meant to reconcile this with the Six-Minute War and the devastated Durla seen previously. Perhaps it hasn't happened yet in this timeline?

Anyway I thought it was interesting to think about. I'm not upset about the discrepancy, just curious and hoping that future writing makes the most of a slightly different setting. (On a further side note I am quite enjoying Phillip Kennedy Johnson's writing and he has me intrigued.)
Posted By: Ivy Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 11/19/21 11:36 PM
Hey guys, I know it was a month ago but I was wondering what you guys thought of the depiction of the Legion in the new season of young justice? Especially the ambiguous ending to episode 4?
I am loving it, like sweet Jebus
I'm not sure if this counts as the "DCU Proper" but...

Jim Lee posted an image of his upcoming guest appearance on Sesame Street, where he drew a picture of one of the puppets as a super hero. The puppet is dressed like silver age Cosmic Boy, with fishbowl helmet, rocket pack, and circles on the chest.

https://twitter.com/JimLee/status/1460334738238017543
Neat catch!
Hey Ivy!! Long time no see!

Yeah, I'm loving it! I wish there were more - but it seems like after the Connor arc is done for the time being, so I've been disappointed I haven't seen anything recently. Really waiting for them to bring them back!
Another Legion appearance, but again, not happening within DC's pages.

A pretty major Fatal Five homage is happening in the Marvel book S.W.O.R.D right now. If you weren't aware, S.W.O.R.D. is one of the current X-Men books, following Abigail Brand as she leads the eponymous team, and Storm as she reigns as monarch of the solar system from Mars (its a long story).

The book has introduced the Lethal Legion, a pretty obvious homage to the Fatal Five. The members are:
- Half-Bot, a horse-person cyborg (Tharok)
- Mr. Eloquent, has an "atomic chainsaw" for a hand (the Persuader)
- The Electric Head, a brain-in-a-jar one a robotic ape body (Validus)
- Orbis Extremis, a psychic inside a mechanical orb that mind controls people (the Emerald Empress and the Eye of Ekron)
- Death Grip, unarmed fighter with nectrotic bacteria on their hands (Manos)

They have appeared in issues 9 and 10, and are going to be in 11 as well. They are all clones and robots designed by some intergalactic corporation called Stellaris that sells soldiers. They aren't being set up as major villains from the looks of things. Issue 10 ends with multiple copies of them appearing in portals so they are set up as disposable, assembly-line soldiers that attack in squads of five.

The real gem though is that they are attacking the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, who are a Legion homage. They kill Fang, Neutron, and Titan (the Timberwolf, Starboy, and Colossal Boy pastiches)

I'm guessing the writer Al Ewing is a Legion fan.
Oh neat!

And hey, welcome to Legion World, Alexander!!
I would die if Al Ewing did a Legion book, he'd be so good smile
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 11/22/21 04:35 PM
Originally Posted by Alexander
The real gem though is that they are attacking the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, who are a Legion homage. They kill Fang, Neutron, and Titan (the Timberwolf, Starboy, and Colossal Boy pastiches)

Wow, I noticed the very real Fatal Five homage going on (and particularly liked the Persuader riff being called 'Mr. Eloquent' but having an Atomic Chainsaw, making it so, so terribly obvious he was a 'Persuader' riff!), but somehow didn't even grok to the added fun of them fighting Marvel's Legion of Super-Heroes spin-off team! Obviously I saw the Imperial Guard there, and knew they were a Legion homage by Dave Cockrum, but totally didn't connect them to this Fatal Five homage!

Now I kind of want the Imperial Guard to go up against Kang (Marvel's 'Time Trapper') or some uber-wizard in the vein of Mordru (Kulan Gath? that alien who attacked Strange to become the new Sorcerer Supreme, Urthona?) or maybe even Thanos some day (who is totally Marvel's Darkseid).
wow, so cool to hear about a Fatal Five homage!!
I was just watching some episodes from Season 7 of the Flash. In the episode "Heart of the Matter, Part 1" (aired July 13 of this year) the character Cisco namedrops the Time Trapper. Its just a throwaway piece of dialogue though.

He says "Unlike Time Trapper, mine are temporary" when Jay Garrick suggests he use his gauntlet's entropy powers to stop time on a villain, or something. XS also makes a return but this one appears to be from a different future than the one from the previous seasons.

This minor reference is probably the most significant thing to happen to Time Trapper in a decade.
Wow, I don't remember that one. Then again, that two parter in general didn't go over well at my house, as the SFX were... hmmmm, how about "not great"? smile
In today's episode of Young Justice, Saturn Girl and Chameleon Boy cameo during the credits. They're sitting on a bench on Earth watching Beast Boy's sci-fi show on a phone while Cham munches on chips.
So who liked the Legion story in the holiday special?
It was cute and I loved it! Rich totally nailed Grava, and Travis' art was perfect for the story.

The best part about it is that the story, as far as I was concerned, could take place in any Legion verse. The dialogue felt like it could have easily been in the New 52 era, Reboot or even the Threeboot. The only hint that its the Bendisverse is the panel at the end. Please pass along to him that it was a great read.
I liked it quite a bit!
I liked it too. It didn't take itself too seriously which I enjoyed very much. It was cool to see the founding members plus a few others too, in the background of the last panel.
It's cute, light-hearted fun, with just enough substance to be more than simple fluff.

I have to admit that my expectations were modest, because Comet Queen has never been a favorite of mine (to put it mildly,) while Polar Boy is a former favorite whom I've gotten ambivalent about.

And I was happy to see Shadow Lass among the cameos.
Comet Queen kept some of her signature expressions but didn't overdo it and her personality was calmer - all good.

Polar Boy was still the hero (and hero admiring) but nothing insecure about him - more good.

New info on Legionverse planets and cultures - even better.

She's only called Grava but he's Polar Boy. If he's not in the Legion, there must be solo heroes operating.

Not sure, but apart from Krypto, I think that's the only dog I've seen in a Legion story.
Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Comet Queen kept some of her signature expressions but didn't overdo it and her personality was calmer - all good.

Polar Boy was still the hero (and hero admiring) but nothing insecure about him - more good.

New info on Legionverse planets and cultures - even better.

Agreed, agreed again, agreed yet again.
The holiday story was very cute. I was super happy that both Brek and Grava had their own voices, and the new lore was welcome. I think it was done well.
Bendis is writing a Legion of Superheroes animated show for HBO Max, based on the current version of the team.

https://brianmichaelbendis.substack.com/p/legion-of-superheroes-tv-show-buh

He says it will be "adult animation" so I'm guessing not like the first animated series which was aimed at children.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Bendis is writing a Legion of Superheroes animated show for HBO Max, based on the current version of the team.

https://brianmichaelbendis.substack.com/p/legion-of-superheroes-tv-show-buh

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Originally Posted by Alexander
Bendis is writing a Legion of Superheroes animated show for HBO Max, based on the current version of the team.

https://brianmichaelbendis.substack.com/p/legion-of-superheroes-tv-show-buh

He says it will be "adult animation" so I'm guessing not like the first animated series which was aimed at children.

My mind reels with venomous curses.

But I'm trying to improve my reputation, so I'll just sum it up in one word:

Meh.
So here's my take. And I know there are people who LOVE Bendis, for whatever reason.

But he barely gets the Legion.

Sorry, but writing on a team book where half the characters are window dressing (like Salu Digby) for fourteen issues is a massive problem. Granted, it looks like the JL miniseries coming out will finally rectify that (at least in the case of Vi), but come on.

There are lots of writers who would love a crack at this. Why Warner Brothers is so nearsighted is just baffling.

We'll see. Maybe a focus on a more limited cast of characters can help rein in his scope like he did with Future State, where the story was much more cohesive after being told in two issues versus twelve.

Past performance indicates future results, typically.
Soooooooo thrilled at the idea of an animated Legion show aimed at adults.

Soooooooo disappointed Bendis will be the creative force behind it.

I?m excited for the Legion as a property, though. If this project ever makes it out of development to our screens, hopefully it will generate new Legion fans.
Right! It's a weird needle to thread! If he's involve in production and can write a decent show bible, but not write the dialogue, it might work!


If it generates interest at the end result, that's fine. There is an extremely strong chance that I'm a bad judge of how these things are received! laugh
I'm glad there is still interest in the Legion as a property, at least.
This is over a year old, but I looked and saw no one posted it here so I will.

In November of last year an update of new content to DC Universe Online (an ancient MMO from 2011 that is still happening) was Legion themed. The costumes and visuals are based on Sook's designs, including the Legion tower. Only the three founders show up in the game as far as I can tell, but the faces of Supergirl, Computo, and Brainiac 5 are shown on screens. Emerald Empress, Validus, and classic Mordru are villains, and Supergirl is implied to be a member of the team, so it appears this version of the team is a combination of different legions.

The trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QSU7XASQI4
And another thing...

I started diving into Legion appearances in video games and found a few more that I don't think are referenced in this thread.

From the first Injustice game (a DC-themed fighting game from, I think, 2013 or so?), if you beat the game as Ares it mentions Brainiac 5 but doesn't show him. Apparently Ares captures B5 and forces him to create a repeating time loop so Ares can fight for eternity or somesuch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJbb5CkOUPs


In the sequel Injustice 2 (which I believe was released in 2017 or so?) you can choose to play as Brainiac. If you beat the game as him he is revealed to be Brainiac 5 in disguise. It does show the three founders sitting on new variations of their Sneering Judgement Thrones, like from on the cover of 247. Their costumes are similar to ones they've had before, but unique to this game. Interestingly, Lightning Lad's name here is Lightning Boy, implying that the Garth of the Injustice games never changed his name to Lad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vbJ9ChN3g


And finally we have Superman's ending from the same game. After defeating Brainiac he starts releasing the bottled worlds and creates a new super team which he calls the Legion of Superheroes, but from the image its just some Justice Leaguers and blurry aliens in the background (I see durlans and thanagarians). No actual Legionnaires are present or referenced, just the name is used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0SOfSQH6QE
In the latest Young Justice episode the Legion cameos for about 2 seconds. The Legion trio almost get hit by a time-travelling magic school bus being driven by a disembodied Klarion the Witch Boy.

It sounds wierder when you type it out.
I'm glad to see they are in the new ep. I was wondering what that bus was all about in the last episode!
I'm just wondering how Klarion manages to drive a school bus without a body...
I wonder how most people drive so badly WITH a body.

Just kidding. There's lots of good drivers in the world. angel
I've had so many bad experiences driving, I'm happy to never have to drive again
I know we're starting to veer off topic here, but I've noticed, at least in my corner of Maryland, that drivers have just become much worse than before in the last two years. At least once weekly I see people driving on the wrong side of the road, along with other a lot lesser idiocy.
In the latest issue of Justice League (#70) a classic logo Legion Flight Ring is shown as being one of the current Fortress of Solitude's treasures.

https://i.redd.it/i9tbrdsj6a881.jpg

Where to begin?

That's the old Legion logo. After Death Metal it has been said that "everything is canon" and "everyone remembers everything that ever happened to them" despite every reboot and crisis (it even showed the classic Legionnaires holding hands). But Superman has never mentioned his Legion any of the numerous times he encountered the Bendisboot Legion. Or ever talked with his son about them when he left to join them. Or when the United Planets was formed, which contradicts his Legion's timeline. And he never mentioned how his son is (was?) dating an alternate timeline version of Saturn Girl, one of Clark's childhood best friends. And how did even half of the objects and creatures on that page even survive, since the original fortress was blown up by Rogol Zaar, destroying everything inside of it?

Further, the Legion Ring is labelled with letters, meaning this was in the script and not just an art mistake.

Pretty confused right now. Maybe this means Clark's history with the classic Legion is going to be canon on the page again?
Very curious indeed.

Did Superman ever meet the Threeboot? I know he definitely met the reboot team that also used that type of ring.
I don't believe Superman ever met Threeboot although Supergirl (Post-Crisis Kara Zor-EL) did and had a number of adventures with them.

His reactions to meeting the most recent Legion strongly suggest that he not only had never met them before but had never heard of any Legion before.

I think rather than "everything is canon" meaning that all the characters remember all past occurrences, it means that writers can pick and choose what they want to include in the current timeline. Nothing is off-limits but that doesn't mean everything is remembered.

I think the idea is that if you (the reader) were upset that a favourite story from the past was rebooted, you are meant to be comforted that it still happened - somehow, somewhere. The downside is if you are keen on a consistent background and timeline, then you are going to be disappointed.

When they retrofitted a version of the Post-Crisis Superman in to replace the New52 Superman (with a bit of magic help from Mxyzptlk) the timeline was adjusted to incorporate both - which is clearly logically incompatible. Nevertheless they carried on and we just had to go with the flow. I think the same applies to the rest of the universe now. If a writer has a good pitch that involves a past story from any version, they get to use it and we hand wave away inconsistencies. Sometimes this is acknowledged by characters, like how Roy Harper is now alive and with friends at the Memorial Roy Harper Titans Academy which no-one understands but is still happy about, but usually we just move on. Yes the existence of the Multiverse is now known in-universe but it doesn't explain or enlighten the timeline of the main universe we are following. We just move on.

Sorry, long winded comment. Yes I agree seeing the ring there is weird - but not unwelcome.
I think Lo3W is the only time they ever met.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I think Lo3W is the only time they ever met.
Whoops. Forgot about Lo3W. Of course that was prior to New52 and Rebirth so who knows what that means now?
Justice League Incarnate #3 is out today. The final page has
a bunch of shadow creatures with the Empty Hand shouting "THE GREAT DARKNESS IS COMING. EMPTY IS MY HAND."

Also there might be a Legion reference earlier in the issue, or perhaps not. At one point a skeleton Pirate Blackbeard says "You're the key to the golden lightning rod that sings to me from across a fleet of worlds." This is a reference to the bolt of lightning that represents a crack in the multiverse within this story. But this entire Justice League Incarnate book makes heavy references to the Legion's most famous bronze age story, the Great Darkness Saga, and golden lightning rods feature in the Legion's most famous silver age story, the Super-Sacrifice of the Legionnaires.

It could just be a coincidence. This comic, and Clark possibly having a Legion ring again from last week, has me suspicious about what is happening.
Bendis has just started the first draft of the Legion pilot.

https://brianmichaelbendis.substack.com/p/new-year-signatures-naomi-no-life
Why does Bendis need to threaten us like this while we're minding our own business?

...oh, right. That stuff I said.
I found a video containing all of the plot/cutscenes from the Legion content of DC Universe Online from last year. I assume none of us are playing it, so we can watch it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQeFT8xswDQ

Points:
- Quislet appears briefly and has spoken dialogue. I think this is the first time Quislet has been animated? Or voice acted?
- XS, Andromeda, and Sensor are mentioned as team members, so lots of Reboot references
- The blue, eyeless ProbeTek guys (robots?) from the five years later era act as item vendors
- Starfire says "The many forms of Sensor fascinate me, I would love their perspective on rulership"
- Lots of Bendisboot references: The costumes, Computo, Lightning Lad has two moms, the foodcourt is called Heaven
- Lightning Lad and Static Shock fighting side by side

So, confirmed membership of this version of the team:
Supergirl
Cosmic Boy
Saturn Girl
Lightning Lad
Quislet
Brainiac 5 (voice only)
Computo (voice only)
Andromeda (mentioned)
XS (mentioned)
Dream Girl (mentioned)
Sensor (mentioned)

Other characters:
Mordru (looks like the 21st century depiction)
Emerald Empress
Validus
ProbeTek droids
Evil alternate universe Cosmic Boy

Locations:
Legion HQ
Sorcerer's World
thanks for the update and summary, Alexander! really appreciate it.

so cool that they're incorporating elements of different versions!

many forms of Sensor, wonder if that's a reference to humanoid Jeckie, reboot Sneckie, and the DNA alteration...

Yay for LL still having two moms!
I got a kick out of the callback to the Cosmic Boy imposter storyline.

Thanks for posting!
Originally Posted by Alexander
I found a video containing all of the plot/cutscenes from the Legion content of DC Universe Online from last year. I assume none of us are playing it, so we can watch it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQeFT8xswDQ

thank you for sharing(!!!).

I am glad to see they are open to multiple Legion versions, per comments on Andromeda and of course presence of Quislet.

Does anyone have any idea how much time one would have to spend grinding in the actual game to unlock this?

Of course, I'd have enjoyed the fight scenes more if there were actual legion members instead of a bunch of "random" online characters battling, but I guess that is the nature of DCU online.
DCU Online is about a decade old I think. This is fairly recent content so it may be relatively "endgame" and require a fair amount of grinding to get to. I've not played the game though so am not sure.

One of the vendor rewards is your own personal Eye of Ekron to follow you around and another is a green glow, in case you ever wanted to become a cackling space pirate.
I've been playing since it launched now 11 years ago.

The anniversary is this week and they usually give out a CR (Combat Rating) skip. CR levels determine what areas you can play in. So, if you start soon, you should be able to skip to or close to the level needed to play the Legion content.
Originally Posted by Alexander
DCU Online is about a decade old I think. This is fairly recent content so it may be relatively "endgame" and require a fair amount of grinding to get to. I've not played the game though so am not sure.

One of the vendor rewards is your own personal Eye of Ekron to follow you around and another is a green glow, in case you ever wanted to become a cackling space pirate.

I did notice all the players in the video looked super leveled up., I bet you are right about it being endgame.
I started to play it when it came out (doesn't seem like 10 years ago, but my perception of elapsed time is rapidly failing as I age), but I could tell I wouldn't have the time to sink in to make it pay off, so I stopped fairly early.

It's a topic for another forum, but I REALLY hate the "grinding" aspect of video games. Too busy too have much time to play? then guess what - when you DO finally have time to play, your experience is going to suck relative to everyone else's because you haven't sunk 100s of hours into it. Augh.
As I said, each year on the anniversary of the game they provide free CR skips. Check it out.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/09/22 11:06 PM
It was definitely endgame content.

I tried loading it up soon after reading here last year or so that there was new Legion content, but only my highest level character could even go to the Legion area, and even then, was woefully underpowered for even the basic stuff (since I hadn't played for over a year and was not 'built' according to whatever is the current vogue), let alone the one 'big fights' I attempted (against the Eye of Ekron, IIRC, those sorts of fights are meant for a dozen or more heroes, but there were only a few of us present, so I just got killed a lot). smile

It was neat seeing some Legion stuff, but not neat enough for me to be worth the hassle. I really do get a thrill in DC Online playing missions involving DC characters like the Teen Titans or Solomon Grundy or Poison Ivy, but generally can't stand the 'for console players only' gameplay.
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
As I said, each year on the anniversary of the game they provide free CR skips. Check it out.
Thanks for the tip(!), will do! smile
As of Today (the 11th Anniversary of DCUO) -

Quote
Everyone gets to celebrate the anniversary with one FREE Character Advance to CR310! With your starter items, you will also receive a gear suit with the updated Lex Corp Salvation style. Log in to automatically receive your free advance, then use it at character select or in character creation.

All players will receive as gifts:

CR 310 Skip with Lex Corp Salvation Style
Bleed Material
Episode 41 Posters (Base Items)
Episode 42 Posters (Base Items)

To claim your free Character Advance and gifts, you must log in between now and January 31, 2022. You may use the advance right away or save it for a later time. One gift per account. Additional Bleed materials and posters are available on the anniversary vendor.

FYI, Episode 39: Long Live The Legion was released on November 5, 2020. Access to the episode content is available to all players with a combat rating of 310. Log in before January 31st and you can play Legion content to your heart's desire. And with a lot of other people getting the skip, the Legion content should be pretty full of players for at least a month or so.
I don't know what this means but there's a vague Legion reference on that chalkboard.

Also I hate this.

https://www.cbr.com/batman-flashpoint-beyond-dc-sequel/
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I don't know what this means but there's a vague Legion reference on that chalkboard.

Also I hate this.

https://www.cbr.com/batman-flashpoint-beyond-dc-sequel/

CBR hates adblocker, so for those of us who don't want the hassle...

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Thank you, Nighty!
Jeez Louise!

I don't really feel hatred, just disbelief and pity. shake

I mean, a sequel to Flashpoint?

Bringing back Geoff Johns??

Truly, I jumped off the DC Comics train at the perfect time!
(Possibly) Legion-relevant lines on the chalkboard:

THE LEGIONS OF F-
FUTURE REMEMBER-
OF THE LEGIONS

WHO'S HUNTING THE TIME-

That last one may be Time Trapper. And as for the first one: Legions of Forever? Legions of Future Timelines? Legions of F*cked-up Timelines?

Unlike some of you I like Geoff Johns' writing style. And I have loved all of his work on the Legion so far, especially his Earth-Man story, which became very relevant in America when fake news became prominent during the election. My only two concerns are 1.) his refusal to let dead characters stay dead, and 2.) his predeliction for putting gore on the page, neither of which fit the Legion franchise (any timeline). His characterization of the Legionnaires has been good, IMO, which is the most important thing to me. And he also feels that Superman is missing something without the Legion in his backstory, which is something I agree with very strongly.

EDIT

The Legions of Four Earths seems pretty likely, actually!
Originally Posted by Alexander
My only two concerns are 1.) his refusal to let dead characters stay dead,!

If he brings Kinetix back, I will be very happy smile
He actually can, and I believe he set her up to return. When the main timeline's Mordru killed Kinetix in Legion of Three Earths he absorbed all of her lifeforce. This would imply Kinetix isn't gone but is within the main Earth's Mordru now, so a writer could have her "reborn" or pulled out.

I noticed Geoff Johns pulled all of the unique Reboot Legionnaires off the team before they became the new Wanderers. Kinetix was absorbed into Mordru, and Gates and XS stayed behind to join the original Legion. The Reboot was basically put out to pasture, but the newer characters it introduced were set aside for later use (except Kid Quantum who was the Reboot Legion's leader and had to stay, and Andromeda who is a Supergirl stand-in).
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Originally Posted by Alexander
My only two concerns are 1.) his refusal to let dead characters stay dead,!

If he brings Kinetix back, I will be very happy smile

Kinetix is trapped inside Mordru, inside Mysa.

All Mysa cared about was shutting Mordru up.

If Zoe ever gets out, she's gonna try and murder Mysa and it's gonna be hard not to side with her.
Originally Posted by Alexander
He actually can, and I believe he set her up to return. When the main timeline's Mordru killed Kinetix in Legion of Three Earths he absorbed all of her lifeforce. This would imply Kinetix isn't gone but is within the main Earth's Mordru now, so a writer could have her "reborn" or pulled out.

I noticed Geoff Johns pulled all of the unique Reboot Legionnaires off the team before they became the new Wanderers. Kinetix was absorbed into Mordru, and Gates and XS stayed behind to join the original Legion. The Reboot was basically put out to pasture, but the newer characters it introduced were set aside for later use (except Kid Quantum who was the Reboot Legion's leader and had to stay, and Andromeda who is a Supergirl stand-in).

and Shikari, but Dawnstar was there as a sort of analogue indeed.

re Kinetix, that's also how I brought her back in my fic - Mordru was trapped in Mysa, but Kinertix was trapped inside Mordru wink giving a way to bring her back without too much difficulty.
If, by some miracle, Johns does this, it will go a long way to repair his reputation in my book.

It would be interesting, woudn't it? The last time Johns first became involved in the Legion was bringing back the "classic" Legion while the Threeboot was running, and we all know how that ended...
After everything Johns has done and the way he acted towards Ray Fisher, letting him write another comic is kind of...

Also I was in physical pain every time he used Saturn Girl in Doomsday Clock. If I have to see that Imra and Bendis!Imra together I think I'm gonna
I't's no secret that I found most of Johns.s previous Legion work frustrating at best (though Bendis' s run has made it look a lot better in retrospect), but I'd be all for a "Legion of Four Worlds" if it re-established all of the previous versions of the Legion as "out there" (which was what LO3W was supposed to establish), and especially if we got to see further adventures of the various versions in something other than mass Crisis-type events.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
...but I'd be all for a "Legion of Four Worlds" if it re-established all of the previous versions of the Legion as "out there" (which was what LO3W was supposed to establish)

The key phrase is "supposed to." It failed the first time, why would it work the second time? smile
I don't think I would've been fond of the Retroboot Legion until Levitz came back. He was able to put Garth and Imra's "new" personalities into perspective as a result of trauma, even if I love Action 864.

I do not trust Johns with the Legion now any more than I would trust him with the Titans or the Justice Society.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
...but I'd be all for a "Legion of Four Worlds" if it re-established all of the previous versions of the Legion as "out there" (which was what LO3W was supposed to establish)

The key phrase is "supposed to." It failed the first time, why would it work the second time? smile

Hence the need for the next part of my sentence. But, yeah, even though I'd favor the idea in principle, I'm extremely skeptical of what would happen in practice.
MAYBE IF HE HADN'T SCREWED UP WITH DOOMSDAY CLOCK WE WOULDN'T HAVE FOUR LEGIONS!

I

I'm sorry about that
But if he'd fixed everything with his last major continuity fixing event, he wouldn't get to write this new major continuity fixing event!
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
After everything Johns has done and the way he acted towards Ray Fisher, letting him write another comic is kind of...

Yeah, there is that - but to be fair, I said it would go a long way to repair - not all the way. smile
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
But if he'd fixed everything with his last major continuity fixing event, he wouldn't get to write this new major continuity fixing event!

How do we make our money doing this?

The answer is simple. Volume.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KodqIPMbyUg
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
...but I'd be all for a "Legion of Four Worlds" if it re-established all of the previous versions of the Legion as "out there" (which was what LO3W was supposed to establish)

The key phrase is "supposed to." It failed the first time, why would it work the second time? smile

Hence the need for the next part of my sentence. But, yeah, even though I'd favor the idea in principle, I'm extremely skeptical of what would happen in practice.

I know, I just couldn't resist adding a bit of snark.


Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
MAYBE IF HE HADN'T SCREWED UP WITH DOOMSDAY CLOCK WE WOULDN'T HAVE FOUR LEGIONS!

I

I'm sorry about that

No need to apologize. He did screw up with Doomsday Clock. He screwed up terribly. The "ending" of that mini-series actually made me give up on the DCU altogether for a while.
In the latest episode of Peacemaker (Ep.4) on HBO Max, Peacemaker claims he had a team-up with Matter Eater Lad. Here's the exchange.

Peacemaker: Ever since I had a team-up with Matter Eater Lad my sense of normal's been a little fucked up.

Boss: You have to keep Vigilante close, if he talks it could ruin everything.

Peacemaker: I once saw him eat an entire Wendy's restaurant.

Boss: Vigilante ate a restaurant?

Peacemaker: No, Matter Eater Lad, that's his power, he can eat anything. Took too long with his fries or something. Guys a fucking lunatic.

Boss: His name's Matter Eater Lad?

I'm really enjoying this show. This came out of no where so caught me off guard. It seems James Gunn is the only filmmaker putting out Legion-related content*, even if it is all for jokes.

*Not counting the CW
hahahaha everything I've heard about this show sounds hilarious laugh
I was so happy to hear that Tenzil got a mention!

I liked the Suicide Squad movie, so I'm interested in watching the series!
Peacemaker is quite the trip - its a very different superhero show, and that, plus Cena himself, is why this show works so well. I think it hold the record for saying a certain f word the most in a single episode.

It's funny how this news spread so fast - I haven't even seen the episode yet and this is the first thing I hear all over the place. laugh
Posted By: idle Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 01/21/22 08:26 PM
Just thought I'd say that the last page of Suicide Squad: King Shark 12 has an ... interesting appearance. (It's not the curret legion:) )
Originally Posted by idle
Just thought I'd say that the last page of Suicide Squad: King Shark 12 has an ... interesting appearance. (It's not the curret legion:) )

Legion of Super-Animals -

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Graffiti Boy!!!
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
Originally Posted by idle
Just thought I'd say that the last page of Suicide Squad: King Shark 12 has an ... interesting appearance. (It's not the curret legion:) )

Legion of Super-Animals -

click to enlarge

And now I have that song stuck in my head.... laugh
Originally Posted by Alexander
In the latest episode of Peacemaker (Ep.4) on HBO Max, Peacemaker claims he had a team-up with Matter Eater Lad. Here's the exchange.

Peacemaker: Ever since I had a team-up with Matter Eater Lad my sense of normal's been a little fucked up.

Boss: You have to keep Vigilante close, if he talks it could ruin everything.

Peacemaker: I once saw him eat an entire Wendy's restaurant.

Boss: Vigilante ate a restaurant?

Peacemaker: No, Matter Eater Lad, that's his power, he can eat anything. Took too long with his fries or something. Guys a fucking lunatic.

Boss: His name's Matter Eater Lad?

I'm really enjoying this show. This came out of no where so caught me off guard. It seems James Gunn is the only filmmaker putting out Legion-related content*, even if it is all for jokes.

*Not counting the CW

Originally Posted by Butcher Billy via Facebook, Jan. 21st & thank to lilrhino
#Peacemaker E04 'The Choad Less Traveled'
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The DCEU Just Introduced A Hero Who Could Take Down Superman
hahaha I love it!
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
As of Today (the 11th Anniversary of DCUO) -

Quote
Everyone gets to celebrate the anniversary with one FREE Character Advance to CR310! With your starter items, you will also receive a gear suit with the updated Lex Corp Salvation style. Log in to automatically receive your free advance, then use it at character select or in character creation.

All players will receive as gifts:

CR 310 Skip with Lex Corp Salvation Style
Bleed Material
Episode 41 Posters (Base Items)
Episode 42 Posters (Base Items)

To claim your free Character Advance and gifts, you must log in between now and January 31, 2022. You may use the advance right away or save it for a later time. One gift per account. Additional Bleed materials and posters are available on the anniversary vendor.

FYI, Episode 39: Long Live The Legion was released on November 5, 2020. Access to the episode content is available to all players with a combat rating of 310. Log in before January 31st and you can play Legion content to your heart's desire. And with a lot of other people getting the skip, the Legion content should be pretty full of players for at least a month or so.

Anyone claim these? They have to be claimed by January 31st. It's free to download and play. The skip to 310 gets you into the Legion content. (You have to log into a character hit F1 [on PC], claim the 310 grant, and then "switch" out to Character Select to "Advance" the character to 310, then open the reward box you get and put on the gear [right-click the items in inventory] and you are CR 310 and get access to the Legion content.) If you don't understand anything I typed here, let me know and I'll be happy to help.
I was skimming through HBO Max's catalogue and saw that there is an episode of Robot Chicken (season 7, ep 5, aired 2014) called "Legion of Super-Gyros".

After watching it there is nothing in the episode referencing the Legion, or even gyros for that matter. It just looks like the titles for this show's episodes are all wordplay involving random nerd things.
That made me hungry, I was thinking of Greek food...
Not sure if this counts as a sighting, but...

XS and Impulse are still speed-walking their way around the recent season of the Flash show. I haven't been watching, but reboot-era Legion artist Jeff Moy posted his on this Twitter:

https://twitter.com/artboymoy/status/1501910350068957194?cxt=HHwWlIC-xbDg7dcpAAAA

For those that don't like going to Twitter, XS uses the name Nora Moy and Impulse uses the name Bart Waid in reference to their creators.

I'm still waiting for I Can't Believe Its Not Phantom Girl to show up. I find it curious that of all the Legion-based characters to penetrate outside of the Legion's default setting lately, its Phantom Girl's legacy and not a more prominent character. Her ancestor is on the Terrifics, and now another ancestor is on the Flash show.
thanks for sharing smile I saw a screenshot of it, and thought it was a really cool homage

happy that Tinya is showing up too. I wonder if it's a combination of her long history (being one of the first two non-founders), and that her power is fairly easy to portray on live TV (I think, anyway, I assume the effects would be a bit easier?).
Tinya did also break out of the Legion for a long ish run in L.E.G.I.O.N. too.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Not sure if this counts as a sighting, but...

XS and Impulse are still speed-walking their way around the recent season of the Flash show. I haven't been watching, but reboot-era Legion artist Jeff Moy posted his on this Twitter:

https://twitter.com/artboymoy/status/1501910350068957194?cxt=HHwWlIC-xbDg7dcpAAAA

For those that don't like going to Twitter, XS uses the name Nora Moy and Impulse uses the name Bart Waid in reference to their creators.

I'm still waiting for I Can't Believe Its Not Phantom Girl to show up. I find it curious that of all the Legion-based characters to penetrate outside of the Legion's default setting lately, its Phantom Girl's legacy and not a more prominent character. Her ancestor is on the Terrifics, and now another ancestor is on the Flash show.


Thanks for posting this! I saw this as well and thought it was a great easter egg.

I have to admit, the last few seasons of Flash haven't been great, but between XS showing back up and Tinya poised for an appearance, I may check it out. The Major Spoilers guys did a Flashcast review of the episode and liked it, despite being a little tired of the series itself.
The XS/Impulse episode was one of the best in awhile, largely because it pretty much exclusively focused on those two rather than the regular cast. So it felt like almost backdoor pilot kind of thing.
So a preview for a new Young Justice mini-series that spins out of the upcoming Dark Crisis was given to SyFy:
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/exclusive-first-look-at-dcs-dark-crisis-young-justice-miniseries

Which has nothing to do with the Legion per se, but check out this preview page. I swear that is Mon-El next to Blue Beetle on the top panel. I can't think of any other superhero with that color combo (red suit, blue boots, loose blue cape, short black hair). It could also be a colorist giving a crowd of superheroes random colors? And another character in the foreground of the second panel looks kinda like old-school Timberwolf but not exactly, and might be Geo-Force or another character with random colors.
https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/fil...2/03/darkcrisis_yj_ink_1_color_final.jpg

There's also a page later on that shows Superboy/Conner, Superman/Jon, and then another mystery character dressed as Superman at the bottom right of the top panel, so I have no idea, maybe the art is a bit "loose" here. Its not Kenan Kong since he wears red and black, and Superboy-Prime died during Death Metal. They also have Batgirl with Batwoman's colors on the bottom panel...so probably an art mistake?
https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/fil...2/03/darkcrisis_yj_ink_3_color_final.jpg
Another Legion-related reference, this time in a current book. I'm putting it behind a spoiler tag because the story is really well-written and you might want to read it yourself.

In Human Target #5 there is
a telepath from Titan named Emra who is working for one of Ra's al Ghul's "employees" to train killers to resist telepathy. This guy has the key to Emra's spaceship and uses it to blackmail her into his service. She trains the titular Human Target on how to resist telepathic assaults and he eventually kills her blackmailer and gets her key back so she can go home to Titan.

A very obvious reference! It also establishes a possible ancestor for yet another Legionnaire, the same way that was done for Phantom Girl with Linnya of the Terrifics.
thank you for sharing, I really appreciate your updates!

interesting premise, and I like the idea of seeing more ancestors of Legionnaires smile
So Tinya made her debut on The Flash tonight. Not really much to link her with our Tinya so far. She's a runaway looking for her mother, so we might get Winema as well?
If the show Winema is anything like Reboot Winema... hee hee!
The next three episodes of Young Justice just dropped on HBO Max, and it finally moves the Legion plot along. No spoilers, but the Legion form a kind of B-plot occassionally scattered between the main Atlantis plot.
OOoh thanks for the heads up - I forgot it was back this week!
https://www.comicsbeat.com/superman-son-of-kal-el-13-dreamer-nicole-maines/
The latest episode of Young Justice has a pretty huge Legion info dump.

Apparently in the Young Justice timeline,
Zod and the other Kryptonian criminals are never released from the Phantom Zone in the current era because everybody who knew they were imprisoned died when Krypton exploded, and they are instead pardoned and released in the 31st century after 1,000 years and relocated onto the planet Daxam, where the sun drains their powers. Zod smuggles them off-world and they attempt to take over the United Planets. After some shenanigans, Lar-Zod (who spent 1,000 years as a fetus in the Phantom Zone and has a serious hatred for the Legion) takes a time sphere and alters the past so that the Legion never forms, but because the stranded Legion trio were bombarded with timey-wimey chronoton energy they remained separate from this new timeline and survived with memories of how things used to be. They came to the past to ensure the event that created the Legion would happen, which apparently involves Superboy ten years into the current day's future. Or something. And now Impulse is helping them. And Lar-Zod is not a part of Savage's plan. This also implies that the Zod we see in the Phantom Zone in the last episode is not a part of any of these plots, since he has only been in the Phantom Zone for a few decades and has no idea about any of it.

New Legionnaires shown briefly in flashback: Lightning Lad and Brainiac 5. Garth resembles the Bendis version, and Brainy doesn't have a nose.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Brainy doesn't have a nose.

How does he smell? Awful.
Originally Posted by Alexander
The latest episode of Young Justice has a pretty huge Legion info dump.

Apparently in the Young Justice timeline,
Zod and the other Kryptonian criminals are never released from the Phantom Zone in the current era because everybody who knew they were imprisoned died when Krypton exploded, and they are instead pardoned and released in the 31st century after 1,000 years and relocated onto the planet Daxam, where the sun drains their powers. Zod smuggles them off-world and they attempt to take over the United Planets. After some shenanigans, Lar-Zod (who spent 1,000 years as a fetus in the Phantom Zone and has a serious hatred for the Legion) takes a time sphere and alters the past so that the Legion never forms, but because the stranded Legion trio were bombarded with timey-wimey chronoton energy they remained separate from this new timeline and survived with memories of how things used to be. They came to the past to ensure the event that created the Legion would happen, which apparently involves Superboy ten years into the current day's future. Or something. And now Impulse is helping them. And Lar-Zod is not a part of Savage's plan. This also implies that the Zod we see in the Phantom Zone in the last episode is not a part of any of these plots, since he has only been in the Phantom Zone for a few decades and has no idea about any of it.

New Legionnaires shown briefly in flashback: Lightning Lad and Brainiac 5. Garth resembles the Bendis version, and Brainy doesn't have a nose.

And the fact they're using Bendis's racist cardboard cutout version of Garth just immediately killed my interest and made the past several weeks even worse.
No Legionnaire appearances this Young Justice episode except for Phantom Girl's rag doll body, buuuuut...

...I'm pretty sure that was a very tiny Eye of Ekron that Lar-Zod snatched out of one of Metron's lockers. He quickly swipes it without anyone seeing and he is apparently shocked to see it and acts quickly. And being a 31st century native in this timeline, he would likely know of the eye because of the Fatal Five. It was barely bigger than a marble though.
I always like me some out-of-context Shakespeare.
Posted By: idle Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/04/22 10:31 PM
Apparently Jim Lee's variant cover for Dark Crisis 1 has a lot of DCEU characters including TDK in the top left corner next to Starro.

https://www.cbr.com/jim-lee-epic-dark-crisis-variant-cover-details-artwork-revealed/

This is the first time I've posted a link. Please let me know if I did it incorrectly.
Some more advancement in the latest episode of Young Justice, though not too much until the end as far as the Legion:

Saturn Girl telepathically reaches inside the Phantom Zone and wakes Phantom Girl up just before the projector is destroyed, but Lor-Zod takes Imra hostage and commands Chameleon Boy to fly their ship away with him on it. So now Imra, Cham, Lor-Zod, Impulse, and Miss Martian's brother are on the bioship to who knows where.
Thanks for the spoiler warning, Alexander!

It was good to see more Legionnaires in this ep, but it was also nice to see the plot move forward (finally).

While I love Young Justice's attention to minutiae and small character moments, it does tend to drag the plot out. This was the most fast paced episode in months.
The teaser image for the next batch of Young Justice episodes is out, and has the Legion trio on it. This is presumably the conclusion of their storyline since its the end of the season.

https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/1523739587117469697?cxt=HHwWgsCyxZrFtKUqAAAA
Posted By: idle Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 05/11/22 01:29 AM
Two new appearances. First in the suicide squad dark story in round robin 2 (I’m pretty sure it’s digital only) Matter Eater Lad appears. And some dominator tech appears in the Supeboy story.

Second in the free comic book day Dao Crisis 0 there is a panel set during crisis where Dawnstar’s wings are visible.
thanks for sharing smile wow, Matter-Eater Lad!!
This is probably mindless speculation on my part since I have a tendency to see the Legion of Superheroes everywhere I look, and this also might not be the best thread for speculation so mods can move this to a new thread if they want, but:

https://www.cbr.com/flashpoint-beyond-involves-major-justice-society-revelations-repercussions-dc/

To quote Geoff Johns from the article, about Flashpoint Beyond:

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"It's a self-contained story that affects a lot of characters moving forward in the DC universe," he said. "It's self-contained (like Sinestro Corps was back when I did that) and affects the entire DC Universe. This event specifically affects members of the Justice Society, particularly the ones who are both from the past and the future. Flashpoint Beyond affects time and all things related to time. The story becomes very character-based by the time it comes to an end, and it spills out into several things that we can't talk about just yet."

What member of the Justice Society is from the future? All I can think of is Thom Kallor, who was on the team as Starman during Johns' legendary run with the JSA franchise. Am I forgetting some other future-based member?

A bit of a tangent here:
We already know the story of Flashpoint Beyond will affect the Legion in some capacity (even if only a little, or even just as set-up for future stories) since the Legion was included on the chalkboard tease. I know Geoff Johns' work isn't popular with everyone here, but whatever your personal opinion of his creative output is, his affection for the original Legion has always been genuine and obvious so it would likely center on them. What is also obvious, at least to me, is that the original plan for Doomsday Clock was to bring the first (or retroboot) Legion back during the climax. I'll remind you there was a whole year of Saturn Girl teases in other DC books like Batman (Imra is in Arkham), Supergirl (Imra's appearance in Orlando's Supergirl was clearly scrapped at the last minute), and the Justice League VS Suicide Squad (the Emerald Empress babbling on about her). Johns was clearly forced to make it the Bendisboot Legion (and to tease 5G) when he was already mostly through with Doomsday Clock, which is why the Bendisboot Legion's appearance at the end of the last issue made no sense whatsoever from a narrative point-of-view given the build up of the previous issues.

It sounds like Flashpoint Beyond's connections to Doomsday Clock might be Geoff Johns' attempt at correcting that last bit? Like he originally wanted to do? Its not like the Bendisboot has been well received by critics, or readers, or fans of coherence. His time at DC is clearly over once his current Naomi and Justice League VS Legion runs end. If Flashpoint Beyond leads to the original/retroboot Legion I would be ecstatic.
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First in the suicide squad dark story in round robin 2 (I’m pretty sure it’s digital only) Matter Eater Lad appears.

"I'mma go Mouthful Mode" should be Tenzil's new catchphrase whenever he leaps into battle.

Its only on DC Infinite, if anyone is wondering what Tenzil looks like with his jaw cartoonishly unhinged, snake-like, as he consumes Swamp Thing's arm fist-first before getting his skin yanked off with a gentle tug.
or Tenzil could co-opt the Threeboot battle cry "Eat it, Grandpa!"

except drop the "it"...
Only Phantom Girl in the latest Young Justice episode, but a fairly decent amount of dialogue from her. As far as lore goes, PG explains that Bgztl and Mars (or their dimensions) are linked by the Phantom Zone.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Only Phantom Girl in the latest Young Justice episode, but a fairly decent amount of dialogue from her. As far as lore goes, PG explains that Bgztl and Mars (or their dimensions) are linked by the Phantom Zone.


Is this the first time we've heard "Bgtzl" spoken aloud?
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
or Tenzil could co-opt the Threeboot battle cry "Eat it, Grandpa!"

except drop the "it"...
laugh laugh laugh
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Originally Posted by Alexander
Only Phantom Girl in the latest Young Justice episode, but a fairly decent amount of dialogue from her. As far as lore goes, PG explains that Bgztl and Mars (or their dimensions) are linked by the Phantom Zone.


Is this the first time we've heard "Bgtzl" spoken aloud?


that alone is worth the price of admission!
Another episode of Young Justice and the Legion trio continue to romp about, but only Phantom Girl was prominent in this one. We do get to see Bgztl in the 21st century after Tinya phases to it with Miss Martian, but only briefly. Its a blasted wasteland with lightning storms, but Phantom Girl claims in the 31st century it is a giant city. Tinya also exclaims some kind of phrase with the word Bgztl in it but I didn't catch what she said since it was in her strange, vowel-averse language.
Action Comics #1043 gives another view of the 21st Century Durlan United Planets President who is shown with similar appearance to President Brande in the most recent Legion series.
Not a direct Legion link but interesting. Of course being Durlan they could use any shape they wanted.
So, the latest episode of Young Justice, huge spoiler:

Ursa is chosen by the Emerald Eye of Ekron and becomes the Emerald Empress. Then she goes frolicking with the Eye before cameras, 1,000 years early. I think its safe to say this Legion's future timeline has been altered pretty bad. So badly they may not have a future to return to in the end, and may stay in the 21st century...

I think there is only one episode left.
Yeah, to be honest, I'm not all that happy with this season. A lot of stuff that went nowhere dragged out way too long and now we have to wrap it up in an episode.

This whole season has been like a Bendis comic.
At this point I'm back to watching the show just for Will and Lian Harper
Okay I don't care if t's gauche to say it but you need to read the DC Pride book so I can tell you all what I did
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Okay I don't care if t's gauche to say it but you need to read the DC Pride book so I can tell you all what I did

They may only be cameos, but at least they acknowledge the characters and the team.
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Okay I don't care if t's gauche to say it but you need to read the DC Pride book so I can tell you all what I did

They may only be cameos, but at least they acknowledge the characters and the team.

So now I can finally say it.

Devin Grayson contacted me in winter about consulting for her Jon Kent story. She read an article I wrote about DC's Icemaiden where I mentioned my disappointment at the lack of many of DC's older queer characters in last year's Pride anthology. She wanted to use some of them in her story, and I narrowed it down to the Legionnaires, as well as Dorothy Spinner and Coagula from the Doom Patrol.

My original plan was to have the classic versions appear. I narrowed it down to:

Silver Age Chemical King and Invisible Kid
Reboot Brainiac 5.1 and Invisible Kid
Retroboot Shrinking Violet & Lightning Lass, Dawnstar, Element Lad & Shvaughn Erin

You guys need to thank supragirl because I spoke with her in private about Brainy's identity as demisexual.

I argued that we have no idea what Bendis's plans might be for making his Legionnaires queer. If he even cares. And I felt using the classics, having them addressed and acknowledged on panel as queer, would've meant a lot to everyone after the 40 years of innuendo and subtext. We could've had Shvaughn as a straightforward trans woman, and Ayla and Vi would've finally been KISSING.

Devin was all for this and she suggested we send the references directly to Nick Robles, bypassing editorial. Unfortunately, the editors insisted on Jon's Legion because they know each other.

The instagram comments were based on my suggestions as well.

I did this for everyone on here. And the friends who've passed on like Dev and Lash. I know how bad things are and they're getting worse. I just, I love all of you so much and when Devin gave me this opportunity I took it and I tried to do right by the Legion and all of you.
This was awesome, man. That's such a cool way to make an impact. Even though it wasn't everything quite the way that you wanted (and we would all have appreciated the hell out of), it was a good first step.
Congratulations Sarky!

Comixology has fallen out with Google Play for whatever reason (but will be money). So I had to wait to get home to find my amazon password...then couldn't see the Pride book. *Finally* found it after a direct search for it. Only had a chance for the quickest of glances. But as soon as I spotted our Leigon pals in there, and Devin as writer, I had a feeling that it would be your involvement right there. So good to see them there. I didn't spot Ayla in my super speed flick through, but will give it a read tomorrow.

Awesome stuff Sarky!
Just as a note for those using the DCU online app to view comics - even though they usually put in a 6 month delay for new releases, you can see it today if you're a subscriber.
that's so cool and awesome, thank you Sarky for doing that!

and Devin sounds really cool too!
Great job Sarky!. Good to see a true Legion fan making sure they are represented. Thanks for your contribution. (And hope it leads to more in the future.)
I admit I've been annoyed about some of the complaints about the handling of Jon and Damian Wayne in the story, but I did what I set out to do and I gave this to all of you.
Hey, this version of Shrinking Violet just got more character development in one frame than she did in the last 18-ish issues that she's been in lately. I also declare its canon for all versions of her. smile
Go Vi, go Vi! (and Jan, Dawny, Brainy... and of course Jon Kent and Jay)!
Does anyone have any scans of the pages they can post on here? I am just awful when it comes to posting images on this site.
So the new Black Adam trailer dropped. I might be imagining things, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvwy4dFUmw

At about the 1:10 mark we see a kid wearing a purple shirt with a giant gold star in the middle that looks very much like Star Boy's original outfit. He's clearly a pedestrian, but you never know. Could just be a sly reference that means nothing though. The only connection between Thom Kallor and Black Adam is the Justice Society, and the JSA is all over this film, so just maybe.
that would be cool smile and even if not, it's a cool easter egg!
I agree! Plus it will be so cool to see some of the JSA heroes make their long-awaited debut into the movie world!! Can't wai!!! smile
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Does anyone have any scans of the pages they can post on here? I am just awful when it comes to posting images on this site.


Here you go:
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The instagram comments were based on suggestions I made. I needed to make sure Dawny and Brainy got identified proper.
I've still to read it yet. I did enjoy Robin's relentless checklist of threats, that descended from the plausible to alligators possibly controlled by Killer Croc. Again, only from a skim, but Jon and Damian didn't seem that different from the few other stories I've seen them in.
The final episode of Young Justice season 4. Lots of Legion-related content under the spoiler tag. Watch it before you read it, if you can.

The pregnant Ursa (as the Emerald Empress) is the only one of the Kryptonians to make it out of the finale intact, and the Eye of Ekron forces her through space to Daxam and that is the last we see of her. So Daxam is to play a role in season 5, if there is one. Sounds like a potential Mon-El set-up, or maybe just parts of the Invasion storyline. On a side note, the eye of this show isn't made of glass or whatever. When it hits the ground it made a bit of a bouncy squish sound.

Robotic no-nose Brainiac 5 shows up in a time sphere to bring the Legion trio back. So it looks like they won't be stranded in the 21st century like I assumed. No recurring Legion cast for season 5, I guess. Bummer.

The evil martian (Miss Martian's brother) is rewarded by Darkseid for his service. He is gifted a planet of his own to start his own society. It's an unpopulated Durla. This explains why Chameleon Boy looks martian; durlans of this continuity are descendants of martians.

Oh, and Supergirl shows up after the credits. In Young Justice continuity she was apparently placed into the Phantom Zone instead of shot off in a rocket, then she was freed and taken in by Granny Goodness (along with Mary Marvel) to become one of the Furies.

I don't think I missed anything...
Originally Posted by thoth lad
I've still to read it yet. I did enjoy Robin's relentless checklist of threats, that descended from the plausible to alligators possibly controlled by Killer Croc. Again, only from a skim, but Jon and Damian didn't seem that different from the few other stories I've seen them in.

THANK YOU, that's how I felt!

It's really frustrating me how everyone's jumping on Devin because of Damian and Jon, like I've had to restrain myself from lashing out multiple times.
really? Damian and Jon seem well-written and in-character to me... and Jay seems like a sweetheart
So you see my point.

Here's what Devin has to say to everyone on LW:

"Thank them for keeping these wonderful characters safe in their hearts and let them know that I'm celebrating their return along with them! And maybe share that the lovely line about there being no wrong way to be yourself came from my amazing trans step-son, and that my whole family continues to be dedicated to the well-being of lgbtqia2s+ heroes everywhere and everywhen, factual and fictional alike."
I've always liked Devin. I can totally relate to what she's saying.
Very minor spoilers for Flashpoint Beyond #3:

The last page shows a bunch of distorted images of various "events" or teams from DC's history that are being distorted by Hypertime. Or something. Its hard to tell whats happening just yet. Anyway, one of them is retroboot Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad.

I should note that this is the first time any non-Bendis Legion has shown up on page since he took over the franchise, at least as far as I know.
Interesting...! thanks for sharing!
Indeed...
Guys

That's from Legion of 3 Worlds #1
Bendis writing third draft of LoSH pilot.

https://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/1544829271151153152
Durla gets mentioned in some dialogue in an upcoming Dark Crisis tie-in issue by a young John Kent, according to previews.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dark-crisis-worlds-without-a-justice-league-superman-1-preview/
Originally Posted by Alexander
Bendis writing third draft of LoSH pilot.

https://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/1544829271151153152

grumble.....
Nia Nal (Dreamer) showed up in this Tuesday's issue of Superman: Son of Kal-El #13. Jon gives her special gloves that control her powers, which were given to him by the Bendis Legion's Dream Girl, who told him they would meet.
Dreamer again in the recent issue of Superman: Son of Kal-El #14. She does nothing Legion related. However...

Jon's boyfriend Jay was given a Legion Ring and a suit "from the future" by Jon. The suit kinda-maybe-sorta has the first Phantom Girl's look/vibe to it with being mostly solid white, but with white and blue instead of white and black. And Jay has original recipe Phantom Girl's powers. The cover also refers to Jay with the "new" superhero name Gossamer, which SW6 Ayla used during the Five Years Later era.

So now there is a Gossamer flying around with a Legion ring and a suit from the 31st century, though maybe not in the way most Legion fans may have ever predicted...
Originally Posted by Alexander
Dreamer again in the recent issue of Superman: Son of Kal-El #14. She does nothing Legion related. However...

Jon's boyfriend Jay was given a Legion Ring and a suit "from the future" by Jon. The suit kinda-maybe-sorta has the first Phantom Girl's look/vibe to it with being mostly solid white, but with white and blue instead of white and black. And Jay has original recipe Phantom Girl's powers. The cover also refers to Jay with the "new" superhero name Gossamer, which SW6 Ayla used during the Five Years Later era.

So now there is a Gossamer flying around with a Legion ring and a suit from the 31st century, though maybe not in the way most Legion fans may have ever predicted...



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And it gets 2 full pages with large panels and little dialogue. Kinda feels like it is supposed to be important.

Or just alluding to marriage? The more of this series I read, the more I get the impression bad things are going to happen to Jay.
GIRD YOUR LOINS, EVERYONE.

(Spoilers for Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, the current crisis event)

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-...dela-effect-and-more-dark-crisis-gossip/

The two relevant Legion parts that are said to come out of the DCoIE:

"When Alexander Luthor manipulated the Multiverse during the Infinite Crisis, the Post-Zero Hour future appeared as alternate Earth-247. And now it's back."

"The War Of The Legions is coming. Will The Legion Of Four Worlds be involved?"

I know Bleeding Cool isn't considered a "dignified" source by many, but when it comes to inside info about DC events like this Rich Johnston has a stellar record of revealing things before they happen.
gasp! the first part of the spoiler made me sit up and take notice... that is awesome news and makes me very happy

and the second bit... huh. the 3 already featured before, plus the new one?
Well that is infamously on Batman's board, but yes.

Is it a battle between the four Legions? The Legion vs The Legion of Doom?
Is this why they wouldn't let me and Devin use the classic Legionnaires in DC Pride?
DC keeps trying to slip these Legion references by me, but I'm more obsessed than they think I am. There is a one-shot coming out after Flashpoint Beyond called The New Golden Age. Check out the exclusive here:

https://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-rings...en-jsa-relaunch-stargirl-miniseries/?amp

Look at the Mike Allred variant cover, the one with Rip Hunter and Batman. The year 3024 appears four times in the background. If we follow most modern-day Legion "rules", this would likely be the current year of whichever Legion is currently canon, so they will probably zip by the Legion's time. And since Geoff Johns is writing it, it probably won't be the Bendisboot that they visit...

I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

EDIT:

I was right! Here is the press release:

https://www.dc.com/blog/2022/08/18/the-new-golden-age-from-dc-starts-this-november

Relevant part:

“I’m happy to be writing these two titles, each one of them focused on celebrating and expanding the history (and far future) of heroism in the DC Universe, exploring unseen heroes, villains and adventures alongside the ones we all know and love,” said Geoff Johns. “Our goal is to delve into the neglected corners of DC with this new group of titles, from the JSA to the Legion, and all those who operate between. It’s the story of where superheroes came from, where they’re going and why they’re always needed.”

That means a new Legion book is confirmed!
Thanks for the updates Alexander
November is so far away. But I guess that gives Legion vs Justice League time to finish.

Now that I think on it, the delays for LvJL might be tied to Johns' Legion stories, with some last minute rewrites happening. I suspect the ending of that series will tease November's Legion story.
Some variant covers for November (I think?) will have a 90s theme. Here is the cover to Flash 788:

https://i.redd.it/qj2b3qepwoi91.jpg

Wally and Wallace are in the front, with various background characters wearing shirts with logos that remind of other characters. Booster and Blue Beetle, Liberty Bell and Hourman, etc. And then there is a blond girl with a pink saturn planet logo on her shirt. Its the same pink logo that Saturn Girl had on the cartoon series.
Thanks, Alexandar, really appreciate you sharing all the news!
A preview for Flashpoint Beyond #5.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/this-weeks-flashpoint-beyond-spoils-dark-crisis-finale-and-more/

We see the blackboard clearly now. The Legion-specific part now reads:

The Legions of Four Worlds_____Do Not Trust Future
Remember Earth-3?______Warn Earth-247
War of the Legions

This isn't really new information, but a confirmation of what Bleeding Cool said previously. I do find it odd though that all of the time-altering villain line-ups never include Glorith or Timer Trapper. Maybe its because Glorith wiped herself from the timeline so no one remembers her? Or because they mostly screw with the future?
Wow, that's very interesting.

Color me extremely interested in where they are taking this having that particular earth called out.
The preview for Teen Justice #5 is out. Teen Justice takes place on Earth-11 where the central "gimmick" is that everyone is gender-swapped compared to the main Earth.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/multiversity-teen-justice-5-preview-soylent-green-lanterns/

And on the last page we see that XS's male counterpart on Earth-11 is called XL and has a similar outfit with the same logo.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 10/04/22 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Alexander
The preview for Teen Justice #5 is out. Teen Justice takes place on Earth-11 where the central "gimmick" is that everyone is gender-swapped compared to the main Earth.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/multiversity-teen-justice-5-preview-soylent-green-lanterns/

And on the last page we see that XS's male counterpart on Earth-11 is called XL and has a similar outfit with the same logo.

With a name like XL, I'd definitely expect the character to be a size-changer/giant, and not a speedster!

Although I could see some post-twitter speedster with a name like XLR8. smile
XS = Excess
XL = Excel

I assume.
Xcel was the name of XS's Amalgam counterpart
So, Legion reference again in Flashpoint Beyond but not in a way you'd expect

There's a new character namedropped in #6. "The Golden Age Legionnaire."
I was just about to pop in with this!

Maybe it's a time-tossed Legionnaire like Star Boy. Hell, it might even be Star Boy again. Or maybe a completely separate character with no connection. But Geoff Johns has implied this entire storyline is leading to the Legion, so there is a good chance there is a connection!

Sidenote:
One of the "Thirteen" is named Cherry Bomb, which is the name of a minor Reboot Legion villain, one of Ze Tongue's allies. But looking at an upcoming cover for the Golden Age book, it appears to be Human Bomb's "erased" sidekick.

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Also, the name "Golden Age Legionnaire" is very particular here. I've looked and can find no DC character called Legionnaire. The fact that there are also a Golden Age Red Lantern and a Golden Age Aquaman is very telling, as far as naming goes. It implies this Legionnaire is part of a legacy. Otherwise it would just say Legionnaire. I'm 90% sure we're getting a 31st century character who went back in time and then got erased. I'm just not sure if it will be a new character or an old one...
It would be kind of cool if
it was Anti-Lad!
Originally Posted by Alexander
I was just about to pop in with this!

Maybe it's a time-tossed Legionnaire like Star Boy. Hell, it might even be Star Boy again. Or maybe a completely separate character with no connection. But Geoff Johns has implied this entire storyline is leading to the Legion, so there is a good chance there is a connection!

Sidenote:
One of the "Thirteen" is named Cherry Bomb, which is the name of a minor Reboot Legion villain, one of Ze Tongue's allies. But looking at an upcoming cover for the Golden Age book, it appears to be Human Bomb's "erased" sidekick.

Edit:
Also, the name "Golden Age Legionnaire" is very particular here. I've looked and can find no DC character called Legionnaire. The fact that there are also a Golden Age Red Lantern and a Golden Age Aquaman is very telling, as far as naming goes. It implies this Legionnaire is part of a legacy. Otherwise it would just say Legionnaire. I'm 90% sure we're getting a 31st century character who went back in time and then got erased. I'm just not sure if it will be a new character or an old one...

No one codenamed Legionnaire but two with the codename Legionary.
This isn't a "sighting in DCU proper" but I thought you all might be interested.

Alan Moore just gave an interview with GQ. It turns out Alan Moore was a Legion geek at one point. Though he doesn't really cast it in such a good light.

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GQ: There are worse ways to learn about America.

Moore: There probably are. I suppose the comics were a very big thing in my life until the age of about 14, 15. I had absorbed an awful lot of completely pointless and unnecessary lore about superheroes, all of these excessive, insane, meaningless details of continuity. I have a very sticky memory. Not so much these days, but back in my pomp, I remembered everything. It was very embarrassing when, at a comics convention that I attended after becoming a professional, they had a trivia quiz that they persuaded me to take part in. And, horrifyingly, I knew the secret identity of Chameleon Boy [a minor member of DC’s Legion of Superheroes]. That was when I realized that, no, you gotta back away from this. It’s sort of an illness.

https://www.gq.com/story/alan-moore-interview
gee Mister Moore, I mean, lots of Legion fans now even know code names, powers and home worlds of multiple incarnations of the Legion tongue
I can understand Moore's frustration with how DC's treated him, I really do and he's entitled to that.

On the other hand, sometimes he needs to sit down and stop talking, maybe drink some water or go for a walk.
An anniversary special for Superman's death is going to be released. One of the variant covers is a recreation of a classic image of Superman's funeral. It has the Reboot Legion Cosmic Boy, Lightning Lad, and Chameleon. Valor and Phase are also there. They're all on the upper left of the image.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/death-of-superman-30th-anniversary-special-1-preview-for-nostalgia/
Technically that's the FYL versions.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Technically that's the FYL versions.


Oh geez. I forgot the Reboot Legion met Superman during the Electric Blue era instead.
Yeah, Death happened during the FYL period and some of the characters ended up in the present day DCU in "Valor" up until Zero Hour happened

Then the Reboot Legionnaires were stuck in the present while Final Night happened. That's when they met Ferro and his twin brother.

I'm wondering if they're ever going to address there being two separate versions of the Nolan Twins in the present day and the future DCU.
Reboot Douglas Nolan died in LSH 93, while Reboot Ferro is stuck with the rest of his Legionnaires somewhere in Limbo sadly
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Reboot Douglas Nolan died in LSH 93, while Reboot Ferro is stuck with the rest of his Legionnaires somewhere in Limbo sadly

Yeah but they were born in the 20th Century, and then a thousand years later new versions of Douglas and Andrew were born in the exact same conditions and became associated with the Legion.
The Golden Age Legionnaire's fictional Who's Who entry has been leaked to Bleeding Cool!

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/who-is-the-legionnaire-in-dcs-golden-age/

...but its all been redacted! All we can tell is that they are male, and they have a Legion ring!

All the other Who's Who pages are uncensored. Check out Judy Garrick's entry:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/who-is-judy-garrick-in-dc-comics-new-golden-age/

For those confused, the new Golden Age special implies that about a dozen or so sidekicks and other heroes from the Golden Age were written out of history by a villain, and these are the fake Who's Who pages for those characters. The Golden Age Legionnaire's page is the first to be censored.

I'm genuinely intrigued by these Who's Who pages. They reference actual issue numbers and supporting characters that really existed. Here's hoping this story lands instead of crashes because the Legion's publishing future seem to be tied to this event...

Edit: Hey, what era is that Legion ring specifically from? That could be a clue! Its not the retroboot era.
What if it's actually Laurel Kent and they reveal she'd been thrown into the past by the Manhunter android that stole her identity.
Originally Posted by Alexander
I'm genuinely intrigued by these Who's Who pages. They reference actual issue numbers and supporting characters that really existed. Here's hoping this story lands instead of crashes because the Legion's publishing future seem to be tied to this event...

As much as I should know better than to get invested in any of this, I am genuinely fascinated by most of these characters.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Edit: Hey, what era is that Legion ring specifically from? That could be a clue! Its not the retroboot era.

The ring is definitely Bronze Age:

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Nitpicky things:

I kind of wish they'd set the birth year for the Flash's daughter after his last GA appearance in '51. Also, the Human Bomb had several GA sidekicks already, so I'm a little iffy on introducing another one.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
What if it's actually Laurel Kent and they reveal she'd been thrown into the past by the Manhunter android that stole her identity.

Just throwing this out... but what if it's Superboy? He's legitimately a GA character, and if this story is somehow supposed to lead into something big for the Legion, then what could be bigger than reintroducing the original Superboy?
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Nitpicky things:

I kind of wish they'd set the birth year for the Flash's daughter after his last GA appearance in '51. Also, the Human Bomb had several GA sidekicks already, so I'm a little iffy on introducing another one.

He did? Who?
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Nitpicky things:

I kind of wish they'd set the birth year for the Flash's daughter after his last GA appearance in '51. Also, the Human Bomb had several GA sidekicks already, so I'm a little iffy on introducing another one.

He did? Who?

Hustace Throckmorton, for one. He gained powers after a blood transfusion from Roy Lincoln, only they were concentrated in his feet rather than his hands. He first appeared in Police Comics #15

Then there were the Bombadiers, a trio with whom Roy shared the formula that gave him his powers and helped in on several missions behind enemy lines, starting in Police Comics #21. One of these was Red Rogers, a female pilot, so if they wanted a female sidekick, there was one readily available.
Two preview pages of the 31st century JSA!

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/what-is-the-future-of-the-jsa-in-dcs-new-golden-age-spoilers/

They reference flight rings. And someone says sprock. And apparently they are simply called the Justice Society.
Why wouldn't they just make it the Legion?
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Why wouldn't they just make it the Legion?

Because these three want to form their own team thinking the Legion doesn't have to be the only super team in the 31st Century
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Nitpicky things:

I kind of wish they'd set the birth year for the Flash's daughter after his last GA appearance in '51. Also, the Human Bomb had several GA sidekicks already, so I'm a little iffy on introducing another one.

He did? Who?

Hustace Throckmorton, for one. He gained powers after a blood transfusion from Roy Lincoln, only they were concentrated in his feet rather than his hands. He first appeared in Police Comics #15

Then there were the Bombadiers, a trio with whom Roy shared the formula that gave him his powers and helped in on several missions behind enemy lines, starting in Police Comics #21. One of these was Red Rogers, a female pilot, so if they wanted a female sidekick, there was one readily available.

Red Rogers is even portrayed as being just a kid trying to save her older brother. She could have been "Cherry Bomb" or whatever.

I'm hoping Johns knows about Genius Jones, Antelope Boy and Sir Butch to add to the roster. Wonder Boy, Atom Blake, Buddy Smith, Margo the Magician, Pinky, Butch, Phantom Eagle, Bulletboy, Icarus, Abigail, Man from Mars, among others would be cool to see as well.

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Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Reboot Douglas Nolan died in LSH 93, while Reboot Ferro is stuck with the rest of his Legionnaires somewhere in Limbo sadly

Yeah but they were born in the 20th Century, and then a thousand years later new versions of Douglas and Andrew were born in the exact same conditions and became associated with the Legion.

oh, with which version of the Legion? do you mean the Bendisboot, the Retroboot... oh I'll stop now, all this continuity has gotten confusing tongue

officially, is the Reboot Legion still the only one associated with Earth-247? and Threeboot = Earth-Prime?
I don't think we've been told otherwise...
So…

So it seems like those three were possibly rejected from the Legion, decided to restart the JSA, and then were murdered five seconds later. Well that was pointless.
I agree, Supragirl. Pointless and all too typical.
Johns really doesn't like Legion rejects does he.
Johns still being Johns. frown

Well, on the bright side... maybe he gets it out of his system and Michael Mayne won't be killed in two pages?
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.
Originally Posted by stile86
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

Maybe this isn't the Bendis Legion and we're back to the Retroboot.
Originally Posted by stile86
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

iirc, Bendisboot starts in 3019, while the scene shown here was in 3022.

But also
Bendisboot Fate was among the dead Fates.
Originally Posted by supragirl
Originally Posted by stile86
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

iirc, Bendisboot starts in 3019, while the scene shown here was in 3022.

But also
Bendisboot Fate was among the dead Fates.
Ah yes. I had missed the year dates. That makes more sense now.
Also ...
I had missed Bendisboot Fate among the dead Fates. Good spotting. Also interesting since he appeared to be kind of disintegrated in the LSH book. Some sort of magic could fix that.
Interview with Geoff Johns briefly mentions the mysterious Golden Age Legionnaire, but no new information really.

https://www.gamesradar.com/the-new-golden-age-is-about-dcs-past-and-future-says-geoff-johns/

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"One of the things that was important to me was to make sure that when you read The New Golden Age, it isn't just about the '40s and the JSA. It's about the history of DC, from the past to the future," Johns says. In regards to the character Legionnaire, whose visage and information are completely redacted in the one-shot special, Johns adds, "Having that character in there [is] just to signal to everybody that this involves not just the past, but the future too."

I just read Star Girl: The Lost Children and if there were any clues I didn't see them.
In the latest Dark Crisis tie in called The Dark Army, a character with Multivision, which allows her to see across the multiverse, is able to look at a person and see their alternate selves across the Multiverse.

Apparently, one of Doctor Light's alternate selves is the Bendisboot Brainiac 5. I'm not sure what that implies but it can't be accidental. It really sticks out among the others. Perhaps it implies the Bendisboot is already considered a separate Earth, officially?

Another Dr Light earlier in the issue kinda looks like Quantum Queen cosplaying as Dr Light, but it isn't her. Just a nameless alternate version with different colors.

Edit:
Here is a reddit thread with the page.
https://old.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/z270lo/comic_excerpt_lets_speculate_on_the_teams/

On second thought, Brainy might not be one of her alternate selves, but just involved in her alternate self's life. I notice Green Arrow and Captain Cold are in Red Canary's image. But I wonder how he is linked to Dr Light?
I've no idea what this was supposed to mean.
I just realized the blond girl with the blue and white outfit behind Brainy looks like Bendisboot Saturn Girl but with blue instead of red. Maybe.

Perhaps this implies Dr Light joins the Legion on another Earth.

I'd read it! God knows she hasn't done much in the 21st century since debut.
As a big fan of Kimiyo Hoshi, would read it too!
Not much news these last few weeks, huh? Two things this time.

In the next Son of Kal-El issue (#18) Bendisboot Brainy makes a flashback cameo:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jon-kent-superman-has-a-get-out-of-jail-card-from-the-future/

Apparently John Kent's belt has a bunch of energized gel in it, or something, in case he's ever stuck on another volcano under red sunlight again. So his belt isn't just for show and has an extra power source for him. The belt in invulnerable whenever John is, so if he loses his powers he can just smash the belt's gem and he gets covered in battery goop to give him powers for a while.

And a second reference, kinda, but not really. Another Dark Crisis tie-in this time, but this one explains the new multiverse of DC:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dark-crisis-the-big-bang-details-the-new-dc-multiverse-spoilers/

Barry Allen catalogued up to 2020 Earths total using his super speed. So where is the Legion news? There technically isn't any. Earth-247 is mysteriously absent from the list even though it got name dropped recently and is one of the few Earths outside of the base 52 to be actually important. No more Earth-Prime, but I think it might be called Earth-33 now.

So unless Earth-52 counts as a Legion reference...
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Earth-52 —The Primate Legion, sapient metasimians
...the absence of Legion Earths is kind of telling. Almost on purpose. This issue was written by Mark Waid, and he created two Legion reboots, so its not like it would have escaped his attention.

Edit:
I just noticed.
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Earth-1996 —Mysterious "amalgamated" (?) heroes; requires further investigation?
That would be the Amalgam Universe between Marvel and DC. Interesting.
Crumbs! I'd be sure to read it, if the people of my universe; Earth-Decades Past Caring, weren't involved in a war with the writers of this stuff from Earth-Utter Navel Gazing. smile
Mark Waid having a go at fixing the Multiverse, huh?

I'm actually tempted to check it out, along with the other tie-in he wrote that came out recently.

We shall see.

Either way, thanks for bringing it to our attention, Alexander.
Originally Posted by Alexander
So unless Earth-52 counts as a Legion reference...
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Earth-52 —The Primate Legion, sapient metasimians
...the absence of Legion Earths is kind of telling. Almost on purpose. This issue was written by Mark Waid, and he created two Legion reboots, so its not like it would have escaped his attention..

Given his recent statements about leaving the Legion alone, I'm tempted to think he's putting as much distance from the team as possible. And he was charitable about the Bendis efforts.
Out of curiosity do you know where I could read Waid's comments? Was it a podcast or something?
I believe it was this one:

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Mark Waid interview at Word Balloon podcast discussing a wide range of topics including LSH. He wouldn't want to write LSH again. Likes Brainy & Mon-el. Seemed to hint he might be working on a Brainiac 5 story (vague - maybe just playing around or for some guest appearance?). DC editorial hated the reboot.... still have an hour to go on the interview.
I'm sorry did he mean the Reboot Legion or "reboot" as in Bendis's reboot
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I'm sorry did he mean the Reboot Legion or "reboot" as in Bendis's reboot

Turns out he actually meant TMK Legion. I'm guessing he called it "reboot" because of the Glorith-verse thing.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Barry Allen catalogued up to 2020 Earths total using his super speed. So where is the Legion news? There technically isn't any. Earth-247 is mysteriously absent from the list even though it got name dropped recently and is one of the few Earths outside of the base 52 to be actually important. No more Earth-Prime, but I think it might be called Earth-33 now.

So unless Earth-52 counts as a Legion reference...
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Earth-52 —The Primate Legion, sapient metasimians
...the absence of Legion Earths is kind of telling. Almost on purpose. This issue was written by Mark Waid, and he created two Legion reboots, so its not like it would have escaped his attention.
Oh, it's probably because Geoff Johns Has Something Planned they don't want to spoil, yes. But, I mean, from the perspective of Barry Allen, "Earth-247" should be an Earth where everyone has their 90s origins* (Superman's Byrne origin, Batman never found his parents killer, Wonder Woman debuted years after the others in the "trinity" in late-80s comics, JLA: Year One is the original JLA lineup, Kon-El isn't half-Lex Luthor, etc etc.) rather than whatever happens a thousand-odd years in the future.

[*Bonus points if they added real-time aging so that the "present day" was nearly 30 in-universe years after Zero Hour.]

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thanks for noting down the other things that make Earth-247 unique, Reboot wink
That seems to have been the basic concept of the "Earth-8" which Johns introduced in Infinite Crisis, which was supposed to be where people like Kyle Raynor would've lived if it hadn't been for COIE. That was pretty much the only worthwhile idea in IC but was never followed up on. And then, instead of making it clear that the reboot Legion was from that reality, they gave them the weird designation of "Earth-247", despite the fact that that number should clearly have been reserved for the Legion that actually debuted in Adventure 247.
This season, I'd love to have a version of "Its a Wonderful Life" where Geoff Johns and Dan DiDio were never involved at DC...
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
This season, I'd love to have a version of "Its a Wonderful Life" where Geoff Johns and Dan DiDio were never involved at DC...

Well, we can always count on the power of fan fiction!

CalorieQueen
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
This season, I'd love to have a version of "Its a Wonderful Life" where Geoff Johns and Dan DiDio were never involved at DC...

Well, we can always count on the power of fan fiction!

CalorieQueen

100%! Hopefully over break I can get back to that! laugh

Well, at least move on w/o DiDio. wink Exercising Johns is a whole other thing.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
That seems to have been the basic concept of the "Earth-8" which Johns introduced in Infinite Crisis, which was supposed to be where people like Kyle Raynor would've lived if it hadn't been for COIE. That was pretty much the only worthwhile idea in IC but was never followed up on.
I mean, that literally made no sense because "Earth-8" would have been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor's wave and not incorporated into the final, merged Earth. It's straight text in Crisis that only elements of the five surviving Earths (bar the odd survivor like Lady Quark or Pariah who travelled from the other Earths before they were destroyed) made it in - primarily Earth-1, of course. If they weren't from Earth-1, Kyle & co would have probably been from Earth-2, with a decreasingly slight chance of the other surviving Earths. Or a conglomerate of merged versions of characters that existed on multiple Earths.

(If you wanted to do something non-obvious, make some of them from Earth-X, so their "pre-Crisis" versions would have been totally different because of the different situation.)

Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
And then, instead of making it clear that the reboot Legion was from that reality, they gave them the weird designation of "Earth-247", despite the fact that that number should clearly have been reserved for the Legion that actually debuted in Adventure 247.
Didn't they choose to give it a number higher than 52 just to make sure it didn't exist afterward? sigh
Not sure how I missed this! And sorry if someone else posted it. I'm a month late finding out about this:

https://old.reddit.com/r/LegionofSu...teresting_legion_sighting_what_it_could/

So the current Hall of Justice has a hologram of the Legion symbol. And not the Bendisboot Legion...its the Bronze Age Legion. Combined with the Bronze Age Legion symbol shown on the fictional Who's Who page for the Golden Age Legionnaire...it looks like more breadcrumbs being dropped.
Yes, I'm on that conversation and noticed the more golden age style of the ring (I'm JimboFett). For some reason I also thought we'd had that discussion here on LW. laugh

So I'm wondering if that was a specific art direction or if it was just an artistic choice. It seems odd that they'd have that version after just interacting with the Gold Lantern Saga, but maybe if more people forget that ever happened, we'd all be in a better place...
I missed that too. Thanks for pointing it out.

Not sure how much to read into it though. There are a number of "easter eggs" scattered around the background such as a presumed model of Kandor (which we last saw as destroyed in Bendis Superman run), in front of a glass case model (?) of Doomsday we see some cleaners/security cleaning up broken glass, and we see statues of heroes that from the context appear to be memorials to the deceased and includes Batman, Connor, Flash (presumably Barry Allan), and a pre-Crisis looking Supergirl. How you reconcile these last with current timeline - everything goes? I'm inclined to think that the writer/artist was just having fun.

Still fun to speculate and maybe the ring design is important. Glad it's there anyway.
That's the thing - its presence there can lead to curiosity, which is always a good thing.
We're in the middle of a drought here. There were a bunch of Legion references and clues for a while there, and then nothing! I'm not liking it.

Maybe this counts?

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dk-to-publish-a-dc-comics-periodic-table-of-their-characters/

Ultra Boy (Ub) and White Witch (Ww) are listed on the fictional DC periodic table cover, so I'm thinking the Legion might be within. Guess we'll know September 7th.
Minor news. Of the "what could have been" kind.

Bleeding Cool is running a series this week detailing what DC's original 5G plans were from before the pandemic and Dan DiDio's firing. Only one relevant bit of Legion info has come up so far:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/how-superman-destroyed-the-justice-league-the-5g-files-chapter-two/

It seems the original plan was to have John Kent spend even more time with the Legion and the 31st century as a means to escape the spotlight after his father revealed their identities, as the pressure would be too much for him.
thanks for sharing! Interesting read...
smile

I wonder if all the Legionnaires will show up in that periodic table thingie
Man, what a mess DiDio has made....
Okay but seriously, if Jon was still a kid, imagine him finding refuge with his aunts and uncles in the far future with Clark having to reconcile the fact he alienated his son and the Legionnaires being put in the preverbal "rock and hard place" by getting caught between supporting Jon and supporting their best friend.
(Mods, sorry if this is too long. Feel free to move it to a new thread if you want.)

So remember how the Legion shows up in the DC Universe Online MMO? I pointed this out a while back, maybe a year ago I think. Episode 39 was titled Long Live the Legion and was released Nov 2020. The Legion of this timeline/Earth is a hodgepodge of all published Legions, with aspects of the Bendisboot, Reboot, and classic Legion all tossed together.

Anyways, apparently there was a bit more content than I realized (text content, anyway) and I went digging a bit more and found these things. Please note that I have not played this game, and I found these on the wiki. I have provided links for all of these.

There are points of interest in the Legion's zones that you can interact with. These are apparently like item scavenger hunts, you find them scattered about the zones. They appear as exclamation marks.

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1 - Drinks Across the Centuries
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Collections:_Drinks_Across_the_Centuries

Alcoholic drinks are scattered about the 31st century zone that you can collect. Two of them are Legion references: Jo Nah's Silverale Youth and Mordru's Over-aged Vinegar. I guess Jonah got an endorsement deal for Silverale in this timeline? Or maybe he's such a famous alcoholic they named a drink after him. When you collect them all you even get a letter from Harmonia Li, who I guess is also a part of this Legion team.

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From: Harmonia Li
Subject: Culture, Change, and Beverages
"Ron Vidar, Circadia Senius and I were studying the changes to culturally significant beverages throughout time when some of our samples got lost in all the magical chaos. We appreciate your recovery of this data set. We're experts when it comes to remembering things, so you can be sure of it when we say we won't be forgetting this anytime soon."

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2 - Legion of Substitute Heroes
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Collections:_Legion_of_Substitute_Heroes

I guess these are various belongings the Subs have misplaced for you to find. Most of them are silly references. It also looks like Polar Boy never graduated to the Legion in this setting.

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Chlorophyll Kid's Seeds
Porcupine Pete's Quills
Color Kid's Color Palette
Stone Boy's Crusty Clothes
Fire Lad's Safety Tips
Night Girl's Training Regime
Rainbow Girl's Blackest Night
Double Header's Conflicting Plans
Polar Boy's Frosted Tips
Antennae Boy's Tunes

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3 - Greetings From Dakota City
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Collections:_Greetings_from_Dakota_City

Only one reference here: an item called "Gear & Static's Pic with The JL". Looks like Gear is a part of this Legion as well.

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4 - Mordru Unbound
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Mordru_Unbound_(Investigations)

If you complete the investigations (the wiki doesn't say what they are) in the Mordru boss zone you get a letter from Glorith. Based on the dialogue and tone its not Retroboot Glorith, but campy Five Years later Glorith. She also gives you a decorative item called Gem From the Heart of Sorcerer's World.

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"Mordru tried to interfere with time, which is MY domain. I am the only one who has ever been his match, but now his power is too much even for me to combat. You will be instrumental to his defeat, and I will do whatever it takes to ensure it. Take this for now. I have a feeling your past will change soon enough. Kisses!"

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5 - Young Love
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Young_Love_(Investigations)

There are a few of these and they reveal more lore. Here are the three listed on the wiki:

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Supergirl: "Sure, Brainy can be a butt sometimes, but his confidence is kinda cute. Don't tell him I said that!"
Lightning Lad: "Can't believe my sister is worried about bringing Shrinking Violet home to meet the moms; they'll love her!"
Quislet: "Quislet love everybody, 'specially you!"

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6 - Legion History.
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Legion_History_(Briefings)

Supergirl fans might enjoy these references and bits from Kara:

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Supergirl: "I remember way back when the Legion first recruited me, what a rush! Just knowing that the future turns out okay, that we had an impact an this world... it means everything."
Supergirl: "Okay, so maybe digging up Excalibur, Achilles' Helmet, and Richard the Lion-Hearted's Shield was totally overkill, but I came from a century where girls always had to go the extra mile to even get considered. I've learned that the future is finally a place where I can relax and be myself."
Supergirl: "Definitely the best part of the Legion was getting to hang out with my cousin back when he was my age!"

And this gem:

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Part 6: Gender-Eater Lad
Computo: "Friendly update on Tenzil's pronouns: he / him / Lad."

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From: Rose Canton
Subject: Do NOT Interfere
"Many of these memories are from crucial points in the Legion and the Fatal Five's past, which is still your future. Now that you have some hows and whens, it may be tempting to interfere. But any change jeopardizes handing Mordru exactly the edge he needs to win, and I will not permit that scale of risk. I have lived long enough to appreciate that sometimes backward glances to the past need to stay just that."

So Bendisboot Rose/Thorn is also part of this Legion's future. Along with Five Years Later Glorith, Retroboot Harmonia Li, Silver Age Supergirl and Superboy, and Reboot Gear.
"Stone Boy's crusty clothes" is uhhh...a choice...
Originally Posted by Alexander
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3 - Greetings From Dakota City
https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Collections:_Greetings_from_Dakota_City

Only one reference here: an item called "Gear & Static's Pic with The JL". Looks like Gear is a part of this Legion as well.

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thanks as always for these. sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't think this is the Legion's Gear. this is the Static Shock Gear.

https://dcau.fandom.com/wiki/Gear

Lots of Mordru references...

and oh dear re Stone Boy's crusty clothes...
Now, it's all about the WHY the clothes are crusty...
Originally Posted by Alexander
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Chlorophyll Kid's Seeds
Porcupine Pete's Quills
Color Kid's Color Palette
Stone Boy's Crusty Clothes
Fire Lad's Safety Tips
Night Girl's Training Regime
Rainbow Girl's Blackest Night
Double Header's Conflicting Plans
Polar Boy's Frosted Tips
Antennae Boy's Tunes

What? No 'Infectious Lass' Inhaler'?
Thank you, Klar - I was thinking that Infectious Lass needed to be represented there and you just articulated that perfectly!
Thanks for that Alexander. Interesting to see what made it in.
Love Double Header's Conflicting Plans
Originally Posted by Nikola Cizmesija via Twitter
News is out! My variant cover for BATMAN/SUPERMAN: WORLD'S FINEST #14


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Nice pic. Variant so I wonder if it reflects the story at all?
The Solicitation:

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Written by MARK WAID
Art and cover by DAN MORA
Variant cover by SERG ACUNA
1:25 variant cover by HAYDEN SHERMAN
1:50 variant cover by NIKOLA ?IŽMEŠIJA
Superman variant cover by SIMONE DI MEO
$3.99 US | 32 pages | Variant $4.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 4/18/23

BRUCE WAYNE…A MURDERER?

Bruce Wayne’s billionaire rival Simon Stagg is dead. And Bruce Wayne is suspect number one! With their friend’s freedom and reputation on the line, Superman, Robin, and Metamorpho, the Element Man, join forces to exonerate the Dark Knight’s alter ego the best way they can: by finding Stagg’s real killer before they strike again!

Nothing that obviously suggests a Legion appearance.
More Legion teases from Geoff Johns in this preview of JSA #2:

https://aiptcomics.com/2023/01/20/dc-preview-justice-society-of-america-2/

Its the last panel of the last preview page.

Apparently the JSA (of this timeline?) have met "the Legionnaire" from the fake Who's Who entries.
Nah, It's just Booster Gold smile
Originally Posted by stile86
Nice pic. Variant so I wonder if it reflects the story at all?

I don't think so.

But it does say something about the editorial mindset.

Why even publish this when you have a new Legion created by a writer you paid millions on contract to create that ended up being two years worth of shit?

When the initial images of this "new" Legion were released, Waid was very enthusiastic about the diverseness of this team.

Now we have a book written by him with an alt cover with the OLD Legion? OK...

The only reason the Bendis version is kicking is because of the designs used in the movie next month
I think it will reflect the story. The bottom half of the cover is the Outsiders, who are part of the solicitation, so why have the other half be a random team? Well, the Outsiders and the Legion DO share something in common...they are both the "other" teams for Superman and Batman after the Justice League.
Either way, I'll be reading it when it's available on the DC App. The rest of the series has been *REALLY* good so far.
So by now I'm sure you all have heard about James Gunn's slate of DC movies/shows that were announced. We're getting a live-action Booster Gold series for HBO Max.

Booster has a Legion ring in the comics. Assuming they keep that aspect, we may end up getting the Legion mentioned right at the start of this new DCU...
Okay this isn't recent but I don't think any of us caught it.

In 2019's DIAL H FOR HERO #7, Colleen Doran snuck in a cameo of classic Element Lad in the Jack Kirby-esque outfit he never actually wore
Good pick-up! Can you give me a hint? I'm not sure what the "classic Element Lad in the Jack Kirby-esque outfit he never actually wore" actually looks like.
The entirely green one with the swirly designs. Not the blue and green one with the arrow on it.
[Linked Image from legionworld.net]
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Okay this isn't recent but I don't think any of us caught it.

In 2019's DIAL H FOR HERO #7, Colleen Doran snuck in a cameo of classic Element Lad in the Jack Kirby-esque outfit he never actually wore

Panel in question...

[Linked Image]

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It took nearly 3-4 years before one of us noticed.

We let Colleen down.

We let the Legion down.

We let AMERICA down.
Better late than never. Got it now. Thanks.
Am I the only one that sees a Saturn Girl analogue in that image as well? That's the debut appearance of Saturn Girl too, or at least close enough (black and yellow, but no green), and she even has the Saturn logo.

I also see the Time Trapper, but then, I see Time Trapper references everywhere.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Am I the only one that sees a Saturn Girl analogue in that image as well? That's the debut appearance of Saturn Girl too, or at least close enough (black and yellow, but no green), and she even has the Saturn logo.

I was thinking that looks like a Titanian character we've seen elsewhere, but can't think where.
You are right. She is reminiscent of Saturn Girl, especially with the logo. That could be Time Trapper although Raven also occurs to me. I keep thinking the guy with green radiation around his hands is familiar too but I can't think of who.
Hey everyone, so I have some frustrating news.

Another victim of HBO Max's heartless tax writeoffs was a new Scooby Doo animated movie featuring Krypto the Super-Dog. The movie's been leaked in full online, though. I've seen it myself and can confirm that there is a cameo of the Toon!Legion from the 2000s included in this movie.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Hey everyone, so I have some frustrating news.

Another victim of HBO Max's heartless tax writeoffs was a new Scooby Doo animated movie featuring Krypto the Super-Dog. The movie's been leaked in full online, though. I've seen it myself and can confirm that there is a cameo of the Toon!Legion from the 2000s included in this movie.

As seen here.
That's... well, pretty much it.

There's a brief background thing in the Hall of Justice of a bottle of water with a Legion label on it, but that image is it for their appearance.
We keep seeming to fall in to worse and worse timelines for the last 10 years...
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
We keep seeming to fall in to worse and worse timelines for the last 10 years...
Are you still talking about LSH?
LOL, no LSH just keeps getting the shaft the more we go down the timelines...
This news drought is awful. Nothing for weeks. These delays for Justice Society seem to be holding everything back, since that is where the Legion is likely to be re-introduced if Geoff Johns' interviews are to be believed.

But maybe something here:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/full-line-up-previews-for-dc-pride-2023-1-led-by-grant-morrison/

In the preview image for the Dreamer story, she appears to be having a vision of several distant characters who look like variations of Dream Girl (her descendant, presumably).

White leotard, check.
White hair, check.
Knee-high boots, check.

And one on a throne. No dialogue in the preview though.
Linnya (modern day Phantom Girl) had a minor appearance in Flash 799 today along with her Terrifics teammates (and a one panel cameo in 798 I didn't mention before).

She did nothing of consequence, but it is nice to know she hasn't been forgotten I guess.
Looks like the next issue of Justice Society is out tomorrow, and has at least one page in the Legion's time. Hopefully there is a bit more.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/the...-teased-in-justice-society-of-america-4/
So it turns out that image was from an older issue. No Legion references in JSA #4.

For what its worth, they are implying Superman was Superboy as a youth again. There is a panel in an issue of Doom Patrol where they visit Smallville and there is a "Welcome to Smallville Home of Superboy" sign. That counts as the Legion right?
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/robotman-dont-deadname-starbro-in-doom-patrol-3-spoilers/
Mordru's in Flash #800.

He literally steals candy from a little girl. Wally West chases him down to get it back. Mordru is reducing to sobbing like the little b!tch boy he is.
He couldn't just magic it up himself? tongue
Poor guy. I bet he longs for his less ignoble days riding jet skis.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
He couldn't just magic it up himself? tongue

It was the principle of the thing! The little girl was mean!
I've always found Mordru to be the most overrated of the Legion's top villains.

Now I feel vindicated. smile
His initial appearance is one of the best Legion stories ever. It's been pretty much downhill for him ever since. I'm definitely not a fan of most of his use in the present day.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
He couldn't just magic it up himself? tongue

It was the principle of the thing! The little girl was mean!

Did she make fun of the big bad wizard’s winged hat?
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
His initial appearance is one of the best Legion stories ever. It's been pretty much downhill for him ever since. I'm definitely not a fan of most of his use in the present day.

Yeah. The conquorer from another galaxy, with worlds falling to his armies. A threat who the Legion just managed to defeat in an untold story, and whose escape really scared them. And mostly downhill from there. The TMK run restored him to a position of power in the galaxy, as well as a role in why the team was formed i the first place. The Mordruverse issue gave a glimpse into this power. No doubt we've seen him as supposedly having lots of power (JSA, End of an Era) but he rarely carried the same levels of threat that I can recall.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
His initial appearance is one of the best Legion stories ever. It's been pretty much downhill for him ever since. I'm definitely not a fan of most of his use in the present day.

Yeah. The conquorer from another galaxy, with worlds falling to his armies. A threat who the Legion just managed to defeat in an untold story, and whose escape really scared them. And mostly downhill from there. The TMK run restored him to a position of power in the galaxy, as well as a role in why the team was formed i the first place. The Mordruverse issue gave a glimpse into this power. No doubt we've seen him as supposedly having lots of power (JSA, End of an Era) but he rarely carried the same levels of threat that I can recall.

I have a distaste for near-omnipotent villains, because they are so rarely defeated without a massive contrivance. The Postboot Mordru storyline, while not perfect, at least focused on the teamwork and tactics it took to defeat him.
In addition, Postboot Mordru had the limitation re needing to charge his powers up. causing him to expend his energies weakened him.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
In addition, Postboot Mordru had the limitation re needing to charge his powers up. causing him to expend his energies weakened him.

I had forgotten that. Thanks, Ibby.

So, yeah, I prefer supervillains when they're not quite powered up to god-level.
you and me both, Fanfie, and thanks for referring to the Postboot Mordru. still one of my fave stories of all time! definitely loved the teamwork and tactics that went into fighting Mordru smile
GUYS. LEGION SIGHTING SEPTEMBER 2023

SUPERMAN THE LAST DAYS OF LEX LUTHOR #2

Written by MARK WAID

Art and cover by BRYAN HITCH

Variant cover by CHRIS SAMNEE

1:25 variant cover by FRANCIS MANAPUL

$6.99 US | 48 pages | 2 of 3 | Prestige Plus | 8 1/2" x 10 7/8"

(all covers are card stock)

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Superman continues his mission to find a cure for what’s killing Lex Luthor. When the present has no answers, maybe the future will! But will the Legion of Super-Heroes help Clark find a cure for a man like Luthor?
I wonder what version he'll use?
Wow - ok this will be interesting.

Waid was very keen on the Bendis/Sook designs when they were originally revealed, but was pretty radio silent during the run over the last couple years.

But he did say in an email "no one wants to be the creator to marginalize a team that was designed to be so diverse and inclusive and racially homogenous, something I wish we'd done a better job of ourselves with the Threeboot. "


So my guess is that he will be going with the newer version, but we'll see. One could significantly argue that Bendis did that marginalization himself.
color me curious, will definitely keep an eye out for it!
Funnily enough, Waid did a podcast interview 2 years ago where he said he wouldn't want to write the Legion again.

I agree with GL that Bendis himself marginalized the most recent iteration of the Legion.

No offense intended to people who are bigger fans of the Legion than I am, but I still think the Legion is best treated as an 80s nostalgia item. Just my opinion.
Do we have any idea how "in-continuity" this story is supposed to be?

I'd kind of guess we'll see something more like the SA "Adult Legion".
Also, this is a Black Label series, right?

So the other question is... which Legionnaire will need to have their naughty bits pixelated? wink
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Funnily enough, Waid did a podcast interview 2 years ago where he said he wouldn't want to write the Legion again.

I agree with GL that Bendis himself marginalized the most recent iteration of the Legion.

No offense intended to people who are bigger fans of the Legion than I am, but I still think the Legion is best treated as an 80s nostalgia item. Just my opinion.

He marginalized it in the worst way possible, acting under the idea that marginalized creators might be interested in carrying it on in some way and thus making it accessible to new readers, while making the changes so offensive and losing whatever audience he had by the Justice League mini that I doubt anyone would ever WANT to put in the time and effort to clean up his mess.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Also, this is a Black Label series, right?

So the other question is... which Legionnaire will need to have their naughty bits pixelated? wink

or, which Legionnaires? tongue
https://aiptcomics.com/2023/06/23/dc-preview-green-arrow-3/

You have no idea how badly I want to scream in incoherent rage right now but I'm at work so just imagine it
Bizarre.
I spent over a decade conceptualizing and trying to write about Arsenal and his daughter with the Legionnaires, and Williamson just, he... he went in...

I think I'm about to throw up.
Nice! It's great to see the Legion back in a comic. Now I'll have to get all of the variant covers for this.



click to enlarge


They look great. This artist is good.

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Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 06/24/23 02:19 AM
I like the art, and that so many of them are smiling. Brings me back to the days of Alan Davis' Superboy's Legion, or the more upbeat bits of the Moy era. I like my Legion to have the capacity for smiles, and not to be all world-wearied and broken-down by life, at least, at the start!
I'm loving the art! Am also liking some of the subtle characterization just from the group scene (like how Karate Kid is bowing, how small Violet is front and center, and how Timber Wolf is a bit bulkier than most). fingers crossed that the story does them justice.

also like the way the founders are greeting
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I'd kind of guess we'll see something more like the SA "Adult Legion".

Apparently this has been confirmed by Waid at a con over the weekend.
Huh. That's interesting. DC it seems is definitely keeping its investment in the Bendis/Sook designs based on the Green Arrow preview, so they are still around as some kind of training group for the young present-day heroes.

But Waid taking a different route is also interesting.

And who knows what the hell Johns is doing?
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
And who knows what the hell Johns is doing?

Whatever it is, it's keeping him from meeting his deadlines smile
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
...so they are still around as some kind of training group for the young present-day heroes.

Are your kids acting up? Grades slipping? Friends you disapprove of?
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How old is Connor Hawke supposed to be? He's quite a bit older than Jonathan Kent, right? Even with JK being aged up? It just seems weird to put him with the Legion.
Eh, maybe they needed another adult to hang out with Rose tongue
I'm trying to sort out my feelings with this.

Clearly the mainstream DCU is going to keep this design of the Legion. I guess that's fine - I think I just want a good writer to come to bat to tell the stories that are teased just by the designs!

That said, it'd be great to tweak a couple of these designs that aren't so great.

Waid is clearly steering away from this bunch.
If nothing else, this throws out the conventional wisdom that the Legion is off the table until Johns gets around to whatever he's doing.

Though I would've preferred to fill the gap by letting Palmiotti and Conner do the series they wanted to do,
I’m just sad we missed the opportunity to bring Oli-3 back into continuity. He could have given his grandpas a ride around on his tour bus!
Originally Posted by supragirl
I’m just sad we missed the opportunity to bring Oli-3 back into continuity. He could have given his grandpas a ride around on his tour bus!

Hahaha that would be pretty cool actually! laugh
Not really a sighting, but something suspicious...

Okay, so various castings for the new Superman: Legacy movie are being rolled out in the media. We had Mr. Terrific announced for the film yesterday (along with Hawkgirl and Guy Gardner), and today Metamorpho was announced for the film.

A few weeks/months back James Gunn teased the Terrifics on Twitter. We now have 2 of 4 members confirmed, which might imply that the team will show up in some capacity. That leaves Plastic Man and Phantom Girl. If Plastic Man's casting is announced soon, that might mean a cinematic Phantom Girl! Well, a Phantom Girl anyway.

Here's hoping.
A new mobile game called DC: Dark Legion just dropped a teaser. Nothing revealed except the Batman Who Laughs in a dark room:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyhXaZ8rrE

And the website:
https://dcdarklegion.com/

The description for the YouTube teaser says this:
"DC: Dark Legion is a new strategy game from FunPlus, coming to iOS and Android in 2024. With an original story inspired by the Dark Nights: Metal comic series, DC: Dark Legion will see players take on the role of an agent from the 31st century as they fight to stop The Batman Who Laughs and his Dark Knights from destroying everything they know, while recruiting their favorite DC heroes and villains to their team."

I guess we'll have to wait and see how much of a Legion connection there is, but I don't see how there can't be with that description.

Also, it's a mobile game so it's probably a shameless cash grab with microtransactions, designed to extract money from whales.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Not really a sighting, but something suspicious...

Okay, so various castings for the new Superman: Legacy movie are being rolled out in the media. We had Mr. Terrific announced for the film yesterday (along with Hawkgirl and Guy Gardner), and today Metamorpho was announced for the film.

A few weeks/months back James Gunn teased the Terrifics on Twitter. We now have 2 of 4 members confirmed, which might imply that the team will show up in some capacity. That leaves Plastic Man and Phantom Girl. If Plastic Man's casting is announced soon, that might mean a cinematic Phantom Girl! Well, a Phantom Girl anyway.

Here's hoping.

And now we have John Mulvaney as Plastic Man! Which, incidentally, is an inspired choice!
Legion of Super-Pets founder gets another movie
(Yes, they are actually going to release it this time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZhhQoOKFhU
ooh sweet, thanks for sharing Klar!
Bouncing Boy made an appearnce on the most recent episode of Harley Quinn.

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oooh! nice, totally Chuck!
Spoilers for tomorrow's issue of Justice Society:

The (kinda) Retroboot Legion is shown in an alternate future in the next issue of Justice Society, though this version is still hanging out in the original "rocket" clubhouse. Its only one panel, and they're all being killed by multiple Per Degatons. It also later shows the 31st century Green Lantern (Allen Scott), Atom Smasher, and Dr Fate legacies for one panel.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/the-justice-society-of-america-yesterday-today-tomorrow-spoilers/
Well, that looks like a pile of laughs.
Johns is really obsessed with Per Degaton. The JSA has faced other foes. And to keep him relevant, he has to increase his powers/worth every time. Come up with something new, please.
Roy Thomas also heavily used Per Degaton, but kept within "the rules" rather than trying to artificially amp him up.

So Johns's use of the character kind of fits in with his general m.o. of late Bronze Age worship, but with lots more dead bodies.
Originally Posted by Alexander
Spoilers for tomorrow's issue of Justice Society:

The (kinda) Retroboot Legion is shown in an alternate future in the next issue of Justice Society, though this version is still hanging out in the original "rocket" clubhouse. Its only one panel, and they're all being killed by multiple Per Degatons. It also later shows the 31st century Green Lantern (Allen Scott), Atom Smasher, and Dr Fate legacies for one panel.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/the-justice-society-of-america-yesterday-today-tomorrow-spoilers/

I consider this a backhanded blessing

That the future Justice Society reappears alive and well at the end with their Doctor Fate, whom we KNOW is not Bendis's Fate, implies that the Retroboot Legion is alive again. While I hate their first appearance in years had them being beaten by Degaton, this opens the door to use them again in at least some capacity. Though I think Johns had Garth being ganged up on to piss ME off specifically.

As much as I would've liked to see Bendis's Legion get their asses kicked, the more racially diverse Legion being decimated by Nazis would've been a PR nightmare for DC. Just look what happened with Gerry Duggan after the X-Men lineup fiasco following the Hellfire Gala.

We're not limited to one future again.
It's too bad I'm missing out on Jerry Ordway and Mikel Janin art, but I just can't with Johns anymore.
For posterity....


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Geoff Johns and slaughtering teenagers, name a more iconic duo
ah, but it all gets erased again... right? right?
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
ah, but it all gets erased again... right? right?

The ending sets up that Degaton's defeat undoes the damage he inflicted so the Retroboot should be fine if the future JSA is alive again.
So, basically this story primarily served to

Bring the Huntress in from the future and strand her in the present because her future no longer exists now that she told Batman of his fate
.

Could someone explain again why just having the JSA set on another Earth was too confusing and convoluted?
Because the last time they did that was a complete disaster.

The problem here isn't the JSA, it's Helena Wayne's role in all this. People want the JSA together with the other teams because they like the idea of the JSA inspiring future generations of heroes while still having an active role in the super community. We liked Jay Garrick acting as a parental figure to the likes of Wally West and Bart Allen. We liked Wildcat teaching Black Canary and Green Arrow and Batman and Catwoman how to fight. We liked Jade associating with Kyle Rayner. And it gets us characters like Courtney Whitmore and Grant Emerson and Jesse Chambers.

One of the biggest failures of the New 52 was taking the JSA off the main DC Earth again. They lose their impact if they're just treated as the alternate Earth counterpart of the Justice League.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am NOT going through that nonsense again.
Well, I disagree completely.

The problem with the New 52 JSA was that it was a reboot. No one wanted an Alan Scott whose career was just starting in the present day.

The appeal of the JSA is its history. They were the super-heroes of the Golden Age, of World War II. And the appeal of Earth-2 was that we could see them age and develop in something like real time, or at least as close as we were going to get in comic books. I don't want to see them having an "active role in the super-hero community". Alan Scott and Jay Garrick should be over 100 years old by now. We should be reading the adventures not just of their children, but of their grandchildren or great-grandchildren by now. Seeing stuff like Jade, who should've been one of the premiere super-heroes of her world, reduced to a supporting character for Kyle Rayner didn't appeal to me at all. Having Wildcat train Batman or Green Arrow? Well, okay, but it's kind of weird considering those characters debuted before Wildcat. Turning characters like Superman and Batman, who were historically the inspirations for so many other heroes, into characters that exist in a continuity that already has a bunch of pre-established heroes, has always just seemed wrong to me.

As far as the JSA being an alternate Earth counterpart of the JLA, well, I'm cool with that, because that's basically what they were. The JLA was basically a reboot of the JSA. It would be like deciding all of the different versions of the Legion were redundant, and deciding to smoosh them all together into one reality, and letting the "originals" serve as the mentors of the Bendis team, but also deleting any member who seems too close to their Bendis counterpart. I mean... you could do that, and I guess some people would enjoy it, but it's not something I'm really going to be into.

For what it's worth, I also think Barry Allen and Hal Jordan work best when tied to the 60s/70s, so I'm not really a fan of most of what's been done with "bringing them back" in the 21st century either.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 08/02/23 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Well, I disagree completely.

The problem with the New 52 JSA was that it was a reboot. No one wanted an Alan Scott whose career was just starting in the present day.

The appeal of the JSA is its history. They were the super-heroes of the Golden Age, of World War II. And the appeal of Earth-2 was that we could see them age and develop in something like real time, or at least as close as we were going to get in comic books. I don't want to see them having an "active role in the super-hero community". Alan Scott and Jay Garrick should be over 100 years old by now. We should be reading the adventures not just of their children, but of their grandchildren or great-grandchildren by now. Seeing stuff like Jade, who should've been one of the premiere super-heroes of her world, reduced to a supporting character for Kyle Rayner didn't appeal to me at all. Having Wildcat train Batman or Green Arrow? Well, okay, but it's kind of weird considering those characters debuted before Wildcat. Turning characters like Superman and Batman, who were historically the inspirations for so many other heroes, into characters that exist in a continuity that already has a bunch of pre-established heroes, has always just seemed wrong to me.

As far as the JSA being an alternate Earth counterpart of the JLA, well, I'm cool with that, because that's basically what they were. The JLA was basically a reboot of the JSA. It would be like deciding all of the different versions of the Legion were redundant, and deciding to smoosh them all together into one reality, and letting the "originals" serve as the mentors of the Bendis team, but also deleting any member who seems too close to their Bendis counterpart. I mean... you could do that, and I guess some people would enjoy it, but it's not something I'm really going to be into.

For what it's worth, I also think Barry Allen and Hal Jordan work best when tied to the 60s/70s, so I'm not really a fan of most of what's been done with "bringing them back" in the 21st century either.

Agree with all of this. The only people I want to see the classic JSA mentoring are Jade and Yolanda/Wildcat and Beth/Dr. Midnite, Brainwave Jr. and Silver Scarab and Nuklon/Atom-Smasher, Obsidian and Huntress and Stargirl. I much prefer them on their own Earth, than squished onto the same planet as Earth 1 heroes. The only world-smooshing I might have accepted is adding the Freedom Fighters and Captain Marvel family to the Earth 2 setting, sort of phase out the Earth's that had only a single set of heroes like the Shazamily. As a big fan of Dr. Fate, particularly, I don't want to see him on the same Earth as Dr. Mist, Zatanna, Raven, etc. Nor do I want to find out that there's a new Justice League which takes *zero* inspiration from the old Justice Society that preceded them, 'cause that's just disrespectful, IMO. DC shoved them back into the past history of their single world, but had them disappear without leaving a ripple, just fade away and be forgotten, while heroes like Green Lantern and the Flash seemed practically unaware that there had been prominent heroes with those exact names (and powers!) *only a few decades ago!*

And yes, even the bit about new Barry and new Hal, who Johns brought back as a socially awkward bumbler that even *Wonder Woman* mocked for being naive and kind of hopeless, and a raging egomaniac who had to quit the Justice League because he personally was giving them bad publicity with his 'tude. I do not understand how fans of Barry and Hal can be anything other than furious at Johns for bringing them back, only to disrespect them so egregiously, just ignoring the experienced, competent, *respected* heroes they had been, and resetting them to 'make them beginners again.'
The current Legion team continues their appearance in Green Arrow #4. It is brief and nothing important happens as far as the Legion is concerned. Lian tosses some sass at Brainy and is generally very energetic. She seems like she would fit well with the early Reboot Legion.
SUPERMAN: THE LAST DAYS OF LEX LUTHOR #2
Written by MARK WAID
Art and cover by BRYAN HITCH
Variant cover by CHRIS SAMNEE
1:25 variant cover by FRANCIS MANAPUL

Superman continues his mission to find a cure for what’s killing Lex Luthor. When the present has no answers, maybe the future will! But will the Legion of Super-Heroes help Clark find a cure for a man like Luthor?

Which Legion is this?
Originally Posted by Korbal
Which Legion is this?

Apparently it's Waid's take on the original SA Adult Legion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8sEE31d0qc

Green Arrow Dawn of DC #3 Legion
Originally Posted by Alexander
The current Legion team continues their appearance in Green Arrow #4. It is brief and nothing important happens as far as the Legion is concerned. Lian tosses some sass at Brainy and is generally very energetic. She seems like she would fit well with the early Reboot Legion.

*sobs quietly*
I felt this was Legion-related to mention.

Magdalene Visaggio revealed on Twitter that when she pitched the Kon-El back-up feature in Action Comics #1057, her original plan was to have Kon transition as a trans woman. There are designs from Darick Robertson of her identity as "Skyrocket."

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-pitch-conner-kent-superboy-trans-woman-superman/

If Visaggio had been able to see this happen we would've finally had a transgender Legionnaire.
Sarky, I think Magdalene's idea had potential, but rather than courting controversy with that, couldn't we just have Nia Nal, the trans girl introduced in the Supergirl TV show and brought into the DCU, join the Legion? Or is there some continuity thing I'm not aware of?
Why not both?

I mean in the sense that I have no idea what DC is doing with Dreamer right now, but Mags made it clear on Twitter that she's not waiting around for anyone else to try and bring more trans rep to DC so she did what she could with what she had access to.

I did the same thing last year.
Your point is well taken, Sarky. If anything, I was being overcautious.
It's cool. Seeing the brain surgeons on Twitter acting like Mags tried to "ruin Kon forever" it's hard not to feel cautious.
In some alternate Universe, comic books in the 21st century are more diverse, the fans are more amenable to variety, and the stories are compelling.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
It's cool. Seeing the brain surgeons on Twitter acting like Mags tried to "ruin Kon forever" it's hard not to feel cautious.

But... but.... they did their own research!!!! /s
They looked at TWO Tiktok/Youtube videos to make sure of it!!! /s
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
It's cool. Seeing the brain surgeons on Twitter acting like Mags tried to "ruin Kon forever" it's hard not to feel cautious.

But... but.... they did their own research!!!! /s


Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
They looked at TWO Tiktok/Youtube videos to make sure of it!!! /s


Double LOL. lol lol
So, more news likely of importance to the future of the Legion:

Geoff Johns Leaving DC to co-found new company.

Will we ever find out who the Golden Age Legionnaire is? Will Legion of Four Worlds ever be a thing? Will someone else get to take a shot at the Legion, once it's no longer being held on the backburner waiting for Johns to finally get around to whatever he was planning on doing with it? Do Garl and Englen like hot sandwiches?
When Jarth became Garth again, did he completely become Garth or is there a wee bit of Jan still in him?


on a more serious note, just read the article: wow! that's a lot of creators involved
Yeah, some huge names. I don't really get how this is supposed to massively different than similar creator-owned/driven companies we've seen in the past, but I appreciate the motivation for it.
Maybe this is my chance...
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Maybe this is my chance...

If you'll use Garl and Englen, you've got my vote!
I don't know who those are.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I don't know who those are.
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Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I don't know who those are.

Well, you're disqualified. wink

They're friends of Mon-El from Adv. 321. Their daughter (?) Is Laurel and Rond's nanny 5YL.
OHHHH I remember her now. The one who I keep thinking was a Dominator.
Honestly, I hope... like you guys know how much I talk about "Oh if I was writing at DC" but with how much writing I've gotten out there this year, I want to believe I really am building up a chance to get in there.
They do look suspiciously similar to Dominators!

Wishing you success, Sarky. Keep at it!
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
They do look suspiciously similar to Dominators!


They say the same thing about Earthlings and Daxamites! wink
21st century Braal shows up in Superman #7, attacked by Brainiac and some spare czarnians he had hidden away in his pocket.

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17an9dx

I haven't read it beyond these three pages, so have no idea what happens. I, uh...kinda hope he doesn't kill them all, ya know? The past few years have done enough damage to the original Legion's canonicity, making it ever harder for the original Legion's return, that we don't need another bullet.
Braal even existing in the 21st century is enough damage, imo.
Doesn't that fit in with the Valor seeded the galaxy scenario?
Originally Posted by Korbal
Doesn't that fit in with the Valor seeded the galaxy scenario?

Well, I suppose technically it does. Though even if we go with the seeding idea rather than it being a world that was colonized by Earth in the intervening centuries, it's hard to imagine Braal being "filled with humanity" and highly technologically developed in the present day. It is supposed to be a "seed" that will grow to eventually become the world in the 31st century, rather than an instant highly advanced civilization.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 10/19/23 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Braal even existing in the 21st century is enough damage, imo.

Yeah, not a fan. I like the notion that many of the UP worlds, Winath, Braal, Titan, Orando, Cargg, Imsk, Rimbor, etc. are colonies established by Earth over the 1000 years between 'now' and 'then.' So when planets like Rimbor or Braal appear in a 21st century story, my eye twitches.

(Even Starhaven. although it was colonized *before we had space travel,* which is a neat trick! I really want a story addressing how they did that, and what 'ancient adversary' they might have been fleeing, if they are indeed the Anasazi.)

Also, not really fan of the notion that Mon-El's incurably fatal debilitating lead poisoning, which, IIRC, had him too weak to stand under his own power when Superboy sent him into the Zone, kind of went into remission long enough for him to help a couple hundred thousand people settle a dozen planets, some of which might have taken him flying full-out *months* to reach (while carrying a colony ship on his back!)?
Isn't the current Starhaven story that they were abducted by aliens? I remember thinking that however stereotypical the original pre-Crisis version might have been, eliminating the Starhavenites agency in initiating the migration made it far more problematic.
Originally Posted by Set
when planets like Rimbor or Braal appear in a 21st century story, my eye twitches
Continuity? We don't need continuity! We have a multiverse!
They could have used Laroo from the Silver-Age Ultra the Multi-alien. They have the same powers as Braaliens.
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 10/19/23 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Klar Ken T5477
Originally Posted by Set
when planets like Rimbor or Braal appear in a 21st century story, my eye twitches
Continuity? We don't need continuity! We have a multiverse!
They could have used Laroo from the Silver-Age Ultra the Multi-alien. They have the same powers as Braaliens.

Well, they *could* have if, and I'm being generous here, at least half of DC editorial had collectively as much knowledge of, or love for, their own properties as any one of a dozen posters here.
So apparently the next issue of DEATH OF LEX LUTHOR which should have the Legion in it has been resolicited for March of next year.

Bryan Hitch went and said DC shouldn't have solicited it for December in the first place.
Ugh. The first issue was pretty good, and I'm looking forward to the next one, but this is ridiculous.
That sure is quite a long wait...
I'll bet it still won't be as long as the wait for Johns to finish JSA.
Not exactly an in-universe Legion appearance, but Action Comics #1059 (probably some others as well) included a tribute artwork to Keith Giffen drawn by Kevin Maguire in the style of one of those JLI covers like JL #1, portraying Giffen surrounded by several of the characters he worked on or created. Legion related are Garryn Bek from L.E.G.I.O.N., Stone Boy, and 5YL Laurel Gand.
They've been running that memoriam in all their issues.
The DC March 2024 solicits have got more Legion-related content in Justice Society AND Blue Beetle
Dev-em
maybe?
Justice Society 10 cover:
https://i0.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.co.../Justice-Society-of-America-10.jpg?ssl=1

Blue Beetle 7 cover:
https://i0.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Blue-Beetle-7-WIP-1.jpg?ssl=1

That Justice Society cover is a clear homage to old Legion covers, with the placement of the panels. It has been done several times over the years. No idea who the guy with the Legion Ring is. Must be the Legionnaire they met in the past? Looks to have brown eyes.

And that Blue Beetle cover is old school Legion costumes, however that appears to be the most recent Lightning Lad, and is that 2 Cosmic Boys on the right side?
Originally Posted by Alexander
That Justice Society cover is a clear homage to old Legion covers, with the placement of the panels. It has been done several times over the years. No idea who the guy with the Legion Ring is. Must be the Legionnaire they met in the past? Looks to have brown eyes.

I mean... it looks like
Ferro Lad's mask to me.
I thought it was him initially. But he does look a bit more adult than he was the last time we saw him. I suppose that could also be Janin's drawing style. He doesn't really draw scrawny men.

I think this is also a throwback to the numerous Silver Age stories where there would be a masked character confusing the Legion, only for them to take the mask off at the end and be a familiar face or completely new person.
Here's my thought on it

Remember in Doomsday Clock they had Doctor Manhattan saying he had Ferro Lad's flight ring because it'd been thrown back in time by the force of the Sun Eater's explosion?
OH, somehow on first glance I thought he was just bald instead of wearing a mask. But, yeah, Ferro Lad seems likely. Giving him a 20th century career also evokes the reboot version coming from the 20th century.

So, if this is basically just going to undo Ferro Lad's death for the Retroretroboot, I'm not sure how I feel about that
Same...I really like the role the reboot version plays in the team, but I don't think we're gaining anything by using the OG version like that
I totally agree. there are living versions of him out there that can be used.
Mattropolis suggested that it could be
Douglas Nolan
, which is definitely an idea I like much better.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Mattropolis suggested that it could be
Douglas Nolan
, which is definitely an idea I like much better.

ooh okay that's a bit more intriguing!
I'd still guess that it's the more obvious choice, but, yeah, that idea would be far more interesting.
Uh-oh. Guys, I just remembered something else.

We're all wondering if this is a Legionnaire, but... didn't Johns try to set up that plot thread in the Adventure Comics back-up about an espionage squad from the LSV?
I'm honestly at the "Get on with it" phase of his shenanigans so he can get out the door.

I'm sure he's going to be too cute by half with this, because that's his nature.
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
I'm honestly at the "Get on with it" phase of his shenanigans so he can get out the door.

I'm sure he's going to be too cute by half with this, because that's his nature.
100%

Let him kill/mutilate whoever he needs to so he can get it out of his system, and then hopefully a writer with some actual talent can pick up from there and make it something worth reading.
... and bring back everyone who's been killed/mutilated smile
So if this is the GA Legionnaire, any thoughts on why it doesn't resemble the silhouette that we've seen before?
Whether its by his pen or not! laugh
Is Infectious Lass still trapped in the present DCU as a member of Team 13? If so it would be nice for the Subs to find her and return her home.
+1 to that! Drura deserves to be back in the future!
#JUSTICE4DRURA
#ISTANDWITHDRURA
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 12/25/23 11:30 AM
Originally Posted by supragirl
Originally Posted by Alexander
That Justice Society cover is a clear homage to old Legion covers, with the placement of the panels. It has been done several times over the years. No idea who the guy with the Legion Ring is. Must be the Legionnaire they met in the past? Looks to have brown eyes.

I mean... it looks like
Ferro Lad's mask to me.

So it looks to be that person. Which leads me to thoughts...


What if Ferro Lad's 'death' by damage so massive it overcomes the invulnerability of the iron isotope he becomes instead causes his body to be shunted backwards in time, as a defensive reaction (while leaving behind a cast off iron husk that appears to be his corpse). He 'dies' in the 30th century, and wakes up in the 21st.

BUUUUT. This doesn't have to happen just the once. What if he 'woke up' in the 27th century, lived some time there, faced some monstrous threat, 'died' and woke up in the 24th century, had yet more adventures, faced another Sun-Eater level destructive force, 'died' yet again, and woke up in the 21st century? What if we went all Morrison-level weird with this, and those two data points we have, 21st and 30th, where not the beginning *or* end of his story? What if he has been the legend behind the 'bronze golem' Talos in ancient Greece, a distant past to us, but his far future, since he has to get blasted out of quite a few timelines quite a few times to travel that far back! What if his Legion appearance in the 30th century was not his first rodeo, and he had been shunted back here from the 33rd century, and the 37th before that?

What if his memories are non-linear. He doesn't remember the future adventures at all, so even though his 30th century time as a Legionnaire happened 'before' he was shunted back to the 21st century, he doesn't 'remember the future.'

But what if he remembers the past? It *hasn't happened yet* to him, but might he still faintly remember inspiring the legends of the bronze golem Talos, in ancient Greece?

And if that's the case, what about that mask? He says he's deformed, a birth defect. Something you'd think would be ludicrously easy to repair in the 30th century. What if there's another explanation, the more common reason one wears a mask, to conceal an identity. Could he actually be an alien, and not a human at all? (And not some 'acceptable' alien like a Durlan or a Talokkian or a Coluan, but one that's traditionally an enemy, or seen as a menace to the United Planets races, or just an alien from a race that hasn't 'outed' themselves to galactic civilization yet?) Or, and here's where the non-linear time thing kicks in, what if he conceals his features because *people would recognize him.* In the past, he was someone that lots of people (or just the wrong people?) would instantly recognize. Maybe he was a national leader. Maybe he was a celebrity. Maybe his face was on currency. Too many questions would arise, if he took that mask off...

New Vertigo title exploring his many lives, The Backwards History of Andrew Nolan: Adventures through Time!
Sp the character in question pops up on the last couple of pages of this week's JSA.

Apparently he was looking for Ruby, daughter of thr Red Lantern, but Alan Scott finds her first.
I've never been so happy to see someone say "Grife"
Curiously "grife" is a reboot word. And that chalkboard from way back mentioned Earth-247 specifically, which is the reboot timeline. This may be a Reboot Legionnaire.
Is it? I thought it was used during 5YL, but I could be completely wrong...
I am with you, GL....I thought it came from the 5YL era as well!

Maybe it's the Mandela Effect...of Space!!!
I'm not enough of a 5YL expert to say about "grife"! But I wouldn't be surprised if it did come from 5YL... the Reboot kept a lot of SW6 costume designs too, after all
Yeah, I think most of the reboot curse words came from 5YL, but I'm not 100% certain about "grife" offhand. Anyway, I doubt you can read much into it anyhow.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I'm not enough of a 5YL expert to say about "grife"! But I wouldn't be surprised if it did come from 5YL... the Reboot kept a lot of SW6 costume designs too, after all

I was thinking about this, but I'm too lazy (at the moment anyway) to check - but I'm wondering if it came from the SW6 Legionnaires series just before Zero Hour.
According to Tom Bierbaum, they made up the word as a Rimborian curse during 5YL.
Interesting!

Clearly this is a clue that this is actually the Rimborian hero Reflecto!
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 12/28/23 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Interesting!

Clearly this is a clue that this is actually the Rimborian hero Reflecto!

I'm like, wait, he's Rimborian? So I went to look up Reflecto, and the write-up mispells his name 'Refecto' at one point, and my brain is all, 'what can I make with this?' Perfecto? Rejecto? Refracto? So many terrible, terrible jokes writing themselves in my head...
Definitely 5YL. I can't find any use of Grife in LSH v4 #1 (lots of Geez and Sheez) but it is used frequently on Rimbor in #2.

The link Nighty provided above gives a little interesting background from Tom Beirbaum.

(I'm behind again - must check page numbers before I post. Duh!)
Originally Posted by Set
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Interesting!

Clearly this is a clue that this is actually the Rimborian hero Reflecto!

I'm like, wait, he's Rimborian? So I went to look up Reflecto, and the write-up mispells his name 'Refecto' at one point, and my brain is all, 'what can I make with this?' Perfecto? Rejecto? Refracto? So many terrible, terrible jokes writing themselves in my head...

So, apparently "refect" is actually an archaic word meaning to refresh, especially with food or drink!
Refecto! heals you if you partake of their cupcakes!
Posted By: Set Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 12/28/23 09:38 AM
Ha, I didn't even check if refect was a word! I just got stuck on what sort of powers Rejecto or Refracto would have. smile
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Refecto! heals you if you partake of their cupcakes!

Unfortunately, Refecto is actually a terrible cook!
We just have to suck it up, if we want those fingers to regrow!
The main eatery at my former university was known as the "Refectory", and was even included in a song written by a friend, much to the confusion of our interstate colleagues. Obviously Refecto's secret HQ.
Oh, I've heard the term "refectory" but didn't even connect it.
ah dang! it makes sense

I love making these word origin and meaning connections.

I've had quite a few since learning Dutch - as Dutch and English are closely related, I've had a few lightbulb moments with English words, too
A major update, I suppose, but mostly its just confirming what everyone has suspected:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/wil...ang-instead-of-a-justice-league-in-2024/

There were (unsurprisingly) plans for the Legion to spin out of John's 12-issue JSA series which is currently limping along, but now that he has moved to Image when the series is over, those plans are gone.

Who knows whats happening with the Legion now? Not DC. They're probably wondering why the Legion isn't working as a franchise, while they plan yet another reboot.

I still hold out hope that they court Hickman again, since its pretty clear he's not coming back to X-Men any time soon. But his GODS series at Marvel just started. And his original Legion pitch for DC was used for the X-Men's Krakoa era, so he would need to bring a new pitch.
Hickman's chance has come and gone.

My Top 3 choices for new Legion writer:

1. Jude DeLuca, our own Sarcasm Kid

2. Kelly Thompson

3. Hope Larson
Originally Posted by Alexander
A major update, I suppose, but mostly its just confirming what everyone has suspected:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/wil...ang-instead-of-a-justice-league-in-2024/

There were (unsurprisingly) plans for the Legion to spin out of John's 12-issue JSA series which is currently limping along, but now that he has moved to Image when the series is over, those plans are gone.

Who knows whats happening with the Legion now? Not DC. They're probably wondering why the Legion isn't working as a franchise, while they plan yet another reboot.

I still hold out hope that they court Hickman again, since its pretty clear he's not coming back to X-Men any time soon. But his GODS series at Marvel just started. And his original Legion pitch for DC was used for the X-Men's Krakoa era, so he would need to bring a new pitch.

I'm going to quietly sob in a corner since they can't even figure out to bring the reboot Legion back from limbo...
Bendisboot Light(ning) Lass appears on the cover of DC Power #1, and Lightning Lad's arm is in the foreground. Nothing in the solicitations mentions them or the Legion.

Maybe Invisible Kid is there too?

Edit: Its a variant cover. Also, just noticed all the characters have the "black person with electric powers" trope.
SMH....
these variant "bait-y" covers are sooooo annoying!!!!

way to get our hopes up, DC!!
The last time DC got my hopes up was the Polar Boy-Comet Queen Holiday Special in 2021

Showed there are still some people who know how to write

Even if the people in charge at Warner/DC seem not to want to let them
That and the Superboy robot story from the Summer Special were excellent!

I'd get behind the writers of either of those for the Legion!
Originally Posted by Alexander
There were (unsurprisingly) plans for the Legion to spin out of John's 12-issue JSA series which is currently limping along, but now that he has moved to Image when the series is over, those plans are gone.

Where’s that ‘I expect nothing and I’m still let down’ clip from Malcolm in the Middle…
Originally Posted by supragirl
Originally Posted by Alexander
There were (unsurprisingly) plans for the Legion to spin out of John's 12-issue JSA series which is currently limping along, but now that he has moved to Image when the series is over, those plans are gone.

Where’s that ‘I expect nothing and I’m still let down’ clip from Malcolm in the Middle…

LOL

"...life is unfair..."
The food was terrible, and there's so little of it!
I'm not on for a few days and come back to this. Sigh.
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Hickman's chance has come and gone.

My Top 3 choices for new Legion writer:

1. Jude DeLuca, our own Sarcasm Kid

2. Kelly Thompson

3. Hope Larson

Love ya, doll.
Oh wait! Guys, there's one point in this we've overlooked.

If they were willing to do another Legion series spinning out of JSA, then it does prove the editorial chokehold the Bendisboot had is mostly gone so the potential is there.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Originally Posted by Ann Hebistand
Hickman's chance has come and gone.

My Top 3 choices for new Legion writer:

1. Jude DeLuca, our own Sarcasm Kid

2. Kelly Thompson

3. Hope Larson

Love ya, doll.

Awwww...

hug love

Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Oh wait! Guys, there's one point in this we've overlooked.

If they were willing to do another Legion series spinning out of JSA, then it does prove the editorial chokehold the Bendisboot had is mostly gone so the potential is there.

Yes nod
Action Comics #1061 - Bizarro turns up on Zerox - Sorcerer's World in the current day. As we all know Superman is vulnerable to magic - but this is Bizarro, so ...
Did anyone see the cover for Blue Beetle #7 and all the Legionnaires on it?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the tip. That's a lot of heroes. I spotted Saturn Girl, Cosmic Boy, Chameleon Boy, Shrinking Violet, Phantom Girl, Brainiac 5, and maybe Timber Wolf? Not sure. Bit hard to tell from the black & white image I could find (League of Comic Geeks).

I feel like I've seen this cover before. I imagine I've seen one very like it. Not sure which though.
I think it may have been posted here? Not sure.

Anyway, nice Keith Giffen tribute.
Do the Legionnaires actually appear in the story, I wonder. I think I saw a Facebook post saying they didn't.
Pretty sure they don't. The point is just to stick a bunch of characters associated with KG on the cover.
ah well. thankfully, the cover can be enjoyed for free! smile
I mean... think about what an amazing tribute it would be if we actually had a *story* that featured all these characters that Keith worked on....
that would certainly have been epic. I mean, most could have just appeared at the end as a cavalry of sorts!
Been catching up on some reading, and in Green Lantern War Journal which focuses on John Stewart, there has been an alien antagonist from the new Green Lantern Corps which is now run by the United Planets. He's a jerk, apparently a political placement , and it doesn't go well for him.

But in issue #4 we start on Durla and the character's design clicked as the same alien Durlan design from the Fourboot. As we saw in a Superman comic several months ago the current leader of the UP is a bigwig from Durla and he's a power hungry jerk too.

So not a Legion sighting but interesting to see that design continuing. Of course since they are Durlan their current form is maybe just a fashion trend which will one day fade away ...
kind of like real-world politics, where nations rise and fall. Durlans have a leadership position in the 20th century UP; in the Reboot's 30th, Durla was once vilified because people were afraid of their shapeshifting
The solicitation for JSA #11 is as follows:

JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA #11 (OF 12) CVR A MIKEL JANIN
(W) Geoff Johns (A/CA) Mikel Janin
As Huntress pushes to recruit the Harlequin's Son, the Legionnaire enacts his plans against the JSA! What does this mean for the future of the world's first superteam?! Retail: $3.99 In-Store Date: 4/16/2024

Take the release date with a grain of salt...
Guys, the Blue Beetle issue isn't just featuring the Legionnaires on the cover.

Josh Trujillo tweeted that it's going to feature different ERAS highlighting the works of Keith Giffen.

Now we just have to wonder which Legion they're gonna highlight...
Ooh, that just became massively more interesting....
oooh - the Legion is finally pissed off enough to go after DC Editorial a bit at a time!
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Now we just have to wonder which Legion they're gonna highlight...

Given the prominence of GDS era Legionnaires on the cover, that seems the most obvious. Maybe 5YL as well? Probably not the retroboot.
well, I'm intrigued!
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Now we just have to wonder which Legion they're gonna highlight...

Given the prominence of GDS era Legionnaires on the cover, that seems the most obvious. Maybe 5YL as well? Probably not the retroboot.

We actually argued about that on Twitter. We figure it likely won't be featuring the Bendisboot, because it would seem weird to honor Giffen's memory by focusing on a Legion he had no involvement with. We weren't sure because before the colored cover was finally released, we couldn't tell if one figure was Bendisboot Garth or Black Lightning as some small nod to the brief time Giffen was writing Outsiders. After the colored version's release we could tell one of the characters was Garth in his Silver Age costume.

Huh I wonder if this will also reference his Doom Patrol run.
FYI, apparently Josh Trujillo posted a list of comic recommendations to read in time for the Keith Giffen tribute issue of Blue Beetle.

He put LOSH #25-28 (1989)
that's the Emerald Empress' Fatal Five/Sensor Girl/Mentalla story, I believe?
No from the 1989 volume. That would Terra Mosaic right? Where the SW6 Batch were introduced?
oh yeah, wrong year
The latest issue of Batman/Superman: World's Finest (#24) has a bunch of new/nameless superheroes in the background of a splash page at the end. One of them is a Shazam character.

Link

I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be Thunder from the Reboot, but I choose to believe it is anyway. Very similar look.
Close enough!
Nicole Maines did a promo interview with AIPT Comics for her upcoming graphic novel Bad Dream. A preview page is seen below:

https://aiptcomics.com/2024/02/20/nicole-maines-dreamer-dc-comics-qa/#jp-carousel-541268

In this book (which may or may not be canon?) Naltor has its own 21st century superteam called the Seers who "protect the planet Naltor from the dangers of foreseen futures", and which has released a promotional comic book for the team in what I presume is a Naltorian language. Their clothing is all based on Dream Girl's "chrome leotard" so maybe Dreamy's iconic outfit is retroactively cultural?

Observation: the title at the top of the comic book almost certainly says THE SEERS in that wacky circular font. I wonder if the entire Naltorian script has been invented? Maybe more of it will appear in the book.
Green Lantern War Journal #6 - more Durlan lore.

As I mentioned previously, the Green Lantern Corps is currently run by the UP (in the present time period) and the President is a Four boot style Durlan (pink with bat ears). A youngish jerk Varron from a high-ranked family was made a Green Lantern, attacked John Stewart and was then killed and zombified by the current big bad. In #6 John is fighting the big bad and her horde and Varron and John decides he has had enough and squishes Varron to pieces. Varron, reforming from bones etc, says:

"You know we Durlans have the power to change our shape, yes? Among our yellow-skinned lowlanders, it is a common enough trick. but such games are beneath a High Durlan. For a High Durlan, to imitate a lesser thing is to disrespect one's station. Imagine one such as I taking the shape of a Thanagarian ... a Coluan ... or even a Terran such as you. This was your Father's form, yes? I wonder if your Mother will remember it?"

At which point John forms a giant laser cannon and disintegrates Varron. We'll see if his body survived.

The interesting part is the suggestion that the "yellow-skinned lowlander Durlans" might be more like the previous Cham we are familiar with, while there is a High Durlan class that looks down on the others and, from the examples we have seen, is extremely arrogant. Maybe the forms we have seen (red and yellow) are reflective of a class/tribal difference. Interesting idea that opens the path for Durlans to appear in the forms we were more familiar with. Of course being shapeshifters they could always just do it but this gives a bit of lore suggesting the reasoning. After all we have seen the yellow Durlan shape not just in Legion but also in other space titles including in the Green Lantern corps.
I believe it was Levitz who established the idea that different Durlan tribes had different forms that they used when interacting with other species (thus explaining why the Chameleon Men from the early Supergirl/LSH story had a different form from standard Durlans), with three tentacles form being their "real: appearance. Not sure how I feel about the idea of "High Durlans".
It means the bewildering idea to visually redesign an already long-established alien species with a very different look finally has an explanation. An explanation after the fact, but one that can work. If anything helps the original/retroboot Legion fit back in I'm all for it, even if it is a small step like this.

Now, I don't see how they're going to fix the whole "30+ undisguised time-travelers publicly crashed the founding of the United Planets and -- in plain view of cameras and representatives from every major society in the universe -- comically announced who they are and exactly when they are from while making as much of a spectacle as possible, creating a contradiction in continuity that should have burned their future's timeline to a husk and yeeted its charred corpse outside of the 52 Earths before even a single issue of their reboot dropped, a time paradox so instantly obvious and cluelessly presented that readers were overcome with a combination of contempt and embarrassment as they read it, and of which not a single character has ever pointed out..."

...but every bit helps.
At least in the Reboot era, we never really saw different Durlan tribes. It seems like the familiar Chameleon form we all know, was just a form taken by Cham to become more humanoid, and seemingly put the offworlders at ease.

On Durla, Cham and all other Durlans took a more "squid-like" tentacled form with the hoods - we only really saw their tentacle arms.

That was also the form taken by both the secular leader and the spiritual leader of Durla.
... so did this Blue Beetle "Giffen tribute" issue come out yet? I wouldn't know because I finally gave up and canceled my comic shop subscription box a few months ago. I mainly collected because of the Legion, and there almost isn't any more Legion... other titles i like (e.g. Spiderman) are unrecognizable. Possibly part of it is also that I am just getting too old

ANYWAY - i ORIGINALLY came on here to whine that given how long it has been since any follow-up to the Bendis legion run, I feel like Bendis might be holding the Legion "hostage" in the sense that the current version is his, but he's not doing anything with it, so then meanwhile no one else can either.

BUT reading the last few pages of posts HERE, it sounds like perhaps it has been announced that Bendis is giving up on his Legion run(???), and that we almost had a Geoff Johns version which was nixed with him moving to Image?

SO, I guess we are stuck hoping someone else takes over? With no clue who, or with what version?

I think at this point, I could NOT stomach another reboot(!), and I suspect i am not the only one. The Bendis version wasn't bad if it had been executed well, I'd rather see that continue than another reboot...
but preferably, I'd hope to get the "classic core" version back... y'know, the one that Levitz most recently worked on - except that it was completely $%$@$#-ed up by someone right as it ended. Don't want to speak ill of the dead, but .... augh.

But then, I suppose there's always a way to retcon anything these days, with something like "The ham sandwich used SPICY BROWN mustard, not yellow" being a sufficient enough explanation for any almost any continuity shift in the current paradigm.
Or even better - "just ignore it". WHAT last 3 issues of the latest Levitz run? I have no idea what you're talking about....

I'd of course be interested to hear what others think about the preferred FORM of a Legion continuation, if ever we get one...
EHF, I am definitely in the "enough with the reboots, bring back the Levitz Retroboot, just do it better this time, with different creators" camp.

And, yes, a certain someone's efforts to give the Levitz Retroboot an energy boost met with my profound distaste, as it did with yours.
Hey EHF!

I think you may have some links that aren't working, fyi, but would love to read them. That said, I totally get the gist of where you're coming from here.

So to get the Johns thing out of the way, that is still in motion as we have only recently seen the promoted "The Legionnaire" character from over a year ago only recently appear. But to your point, we have no idea where this leads or when, but regardless it will not be with Johns, as he apparently has too many hats to wear. But we honestly don't know WHAT he was doing, WHERE it is going, and IF there will be any future implications.

Now to Bendis. I went on a rant about this on the LSH Reddit sub recently, but I think you are right about the Bendis version holding the Legion "hostage". Its common knowledge at this point that when he came to DC, he made it a point to ask DiDio for the Legion. And as such did what he did with Sook. If you listen to people like Mark Waid, they tell that they made that Legion so "diverse" that no one is willing to wipe that off the map for fear of any backlash in today's age. (Let's not mention the fact that the Post-ZH Legionnaires ended up being the most diverse team to date and were wiped off the map BY WAID for a LESS DIVERSE TEAM). In fact, the Sook designs are more *ALIEN* than diverse, so the only "diversity" issues are that they race-swapped the Ranzzes, Rokk and Vi. (The issue there being that it appeared that the Garth switch happened in a back alley somewhere after the initial releases of the new team). But still, there is the perception, and I think there is some truth to what Waid says when no one wants to reset that book again, especially back to an earlier version. Of course, the main problem is that no one wants to be stuck with what Bendis did.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that Bendis did SUCH a Fing HORRIBLE job with the Legion that his rebooted characters are still basically blank slates and someone can come in and tell great stories. We just need a talented writer.

That said, I'm pissed, because prior to Bendis jumping into DC, there was apparently some motion on restarting the Legion, but using characters from various iterations to do it. And now Bendis f-ed everything so badly that it's in limbo.

My personal preference is to bring back the Post-ZH reboot Legion. As I mentioned above, it was the most diverse Legion to date (it was the first to have a black female leader, FFS!) AND they never got a proper farewell. Just a BS transition to the Threeboot (which had good parts but I had major issues with) and their cannon-fodder appearance in Lo3W.

For the Legion iteration that lasted the second longest of all of them, I'd say they deserve a) another shot and b) at least a decent way to say goodbye.

*end rant*
It was Didio AND Bendis holding the Legion hostage.

Apparently there were multiple attempts to get a new Legion going, but Didio kept shooting the pitches down. I'm not sure who the creators were, though.
And this is why I will never respect either of these two men. Aside from both being horrible at their jobs.
...GRAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!! I am so TIRED of this! Year after year and it's the same crap every time! EVERY. TIME.
Thanks for the full disclosure, GL and Sarky.

Jeez Louise, what a mess!

I'm at a loss for words right now.
...Sigh... Thanks, everyone..

Well, at least we have a more focused name to blame... .Didio(!)

And at least it sounds like almost all of us are sick of reboots. Not surprising to see the classic Levitz and post-ZH as the two popular choices from whence to continue (would anyone REALLY want to resurrect the Waid threeboot? It wasn't bad, but just never got much traction and very little historical impact. Same wtih the 5YL Legion. I myself am partial to the classic because of its historical impact, but I realize that is likely age-dependent)

I think for how long it has been and how little attention it got, I doubt there'd be any "diversity"-related complaints if they nixed the Bendis version (I do like the concept of most humans being mixed race by 1000 years in the future, but not worth fussing on). in fact, maybe they are just waiting until no one remembers or cares that it was abandoned.

IF so, I would say it has been long enough!!!

Dark horse version to resurrect - the two-season cartoon!! (I loved it.)
While i would say that is "very much probably not", it also provides a template for how they might semi-reboot (augh), but at least in the most palatable way i could SORT OF stomach - an amalgam of the "classic elements", with limited explanations otherwise.

Sort of like they almost did in the recent "Legion of super-heroes" home video... except hopefully without the "fan torture" twist ("oh, you're excited to see one of your favorite Legionnaires starring? well BOOM . he's evil!!" which isn't very different from ..."it's my last few issues... BOOM, 3 of them are dead with no fanfare, i bet you cared about at least one of them"...)

which brings us back to : ... Sigh...
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Bendis did SUCH a Fing HORRIBLE job with the Legion that his rebooted characters are still basically blank slates and someone can come in and tell great stories. We just need a talented writer.

That said, I'm pissed, because prior to Bendis jumping into DC, there was apparently some motion on restarting the Legion, but using characters from various iterations to do it. And now Bendis f-ed everything so badly that it's in limbo.

My personal preference is to bring back the Post-ZH reboot Legion. As I mentioned above, it was the most diverse Legion to date (it was the first to have a black female leader, FFS!) AND they never got a proper farewell. Just a BS transition to the Threeboot (which had good parts but I had major issues with) and their cannon-fodder appearance in Lo3W.

For the Legion iteration that lasted the second longest of all of them, I'd say they deserve a) another shot and b) at least a decent way to say goodbye.

*end rant*


100% agree!

I also would not mind a Legion that combines Legionnaires from different iterations. Or the Post-ZH Reboot Legion coming back, with Kinetix crawling her way out ans reforming from being absorbed by Mysa/Mordru, and XS/Gates returning to the fold, and maybe a few others as well!
Originally Posted by Evolution Has Failed
And at least it sounds like almost all of us are sick of reboots. Not surprising to see the classic Levitz and post-ZH as the two popular choices from whence to continue (would anyone REALLY want to resurrect the Waid threeboot? It wasn't bad, but just never got much traction and very little historical impact. Same wtih the 5YL Legion. I myself am partial to the classic because of its historical impact, but I realize that is likely age-dependent)

I think for how long it has been and how little attention it got, I doubt there'd be any "diversity"-related complaints if they nixed the Bendis version (I do like the concept of most humans being mixed race by 1000 years in the future, but not worth fussing on). in fact, maybe they are just waiting until no one remembers or cares that it was abandoned.

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The Bendis Legion was such a blank slate, that I have no emotional connection to it. would not mind it coming back, but definitely with better writers and characterization

5YL Legion - is bogged down by the weight of too much history IMO.

Threeboot wasn't bad, but I have little emotional connection to it as well. it's also not set in a version of the future that I like... I like my future bright and shiny (so, same comment applies for 5YL)
Speaking of FYL Legion, did anyone see this week's Blue Beetle yet?
Just pointing out that TOS ran from 1957 to 1989, a total of thirty-two years, and created at least thumbnail sketches for each of the Legionnaire's homeworlds and personalities.
(e.g.: Trom was a radioactive wasteland, Winath was an agricultural planet, Ultra Boy was a 'jock', Shrinking Violet was 'shy')
Since 1989 - a total of thirty-five years- we have seen revisions, reboots, and reimaginations, and none of them have had the same character development and world-building in-story as TOS.
Bendis is only the worst offender in this regard.
Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
Speaking of FYL Legion, did anyone see this week's Blue Beetle yet?

Not yet - anything interesting?

Originally Posted by Evolution Has Failed
And at least it sounds like almost all of us are sick of reboots. Not surprising to see the classic Levitz and post-ZH as the two popular choices from whence to continue (would anyone REALLY want to resurrect the Waid threeboot? It wasn't bad, but just never got much traction and very little historical impact. Same wtih the 5YL Legion. I myself am partial to the classic because of its historical impact, but I realize that is likely age-dependent)

Yeah the Threeboot had really good stories and moments, but at the end of the day, the characters, despite having the powers of the classic characters, just weren't the same. But the more I think about it, the more we need a combination of the classic + new PostZH characters. I mean, the fact that XS was not used AT ALL in this last version - when the Flash TV show was at its peak - was just idiotic. But since the reboot lasted a decade, there were characters with significant impact there, so combining both of the popular teams allows a reader to pick up an issue and be able to go back to anything from the past and see some of those adventures with the same characters. (Jekie/Jeka would be an interesting dilemma to solve). It may be the comic that Drake posted in the Bits sub that is influencing me here, but to me it just makes a whole lot of sense. But no more reboots! I don't care what Mark Waid says about complex histories! Now its worse!

Originally Posted by Evolution Has Failed
Dark horse version to resurrect - the two-season cartoon!! (I loved it.)
While i would say that is "very much probably not", it also provides a template for how they might semi-reboot (augh), but at least in the most palatable way i could SORT OF stomach - an amalgam of the "classic elements", with limited explanations otherwise.

Sort of like they almost did in the recent "Legion of super-heroes" home video... except hopefully without the "fan torture" twist ("oh, you're excited to see one of your favorite Legionnaires starring? well BOOM . he's evil!!" which isn't very different from ..."it's my last few issues... BOOM, 3 of them are dead with no fanfare, i bet you cared about at least one of them"...)

I wouldn't say no to a continuation of the 00s cartoon - it did a great job of treating the source material very respectfully! For the recent movie that came out - I think that reinforces my amalgamated version solution. The shot at the end that hat EVERYONE had me cheering for seeing characters I'd never thought I'd see again. And even the plot twist of that movie could be dealt with creatively.

Anyway, I'm ranting again. LOL. But yeah its head shaking that DC editors can't seem to figure this out. It also wonders if there was some kind of contract that stated the Sook designs needed to be used for a certain period of time, and they are wanting that to run out.
Posted By: idle Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/05/24 06:08 PM
I personally would like two (or more) ongoing series.

1. The Legion - preferably fully formed or reformed and not spend tome building the team. Ideally for me this team would include members from the Original, reboot and retroboot teams. My comcept is basically retroboot team encounters the (remaining) "Wandering 247" team. this would allow the vast majority of members in some form or other. Since they were travelling the multiverse, they could pick up any spare characters. I would like to see Kono again and did like Spider-Girl's heroic turn although I would keep her as Wave. As for the Threeboot, I also feel like the future was off and didn't feel right. (I think it was the whole eat it Grandpa/youth rebellion aspect.) Oddly, I would love to see more of the side characters. Theena would have to join the team, but I would have liked to see more of the Wanderers. This encounter could be told in a series of flashbacks over numerous issues or an annual. The main point is hit the ground running and move forward.

2. An anthology series: This could have stories from all the different iterations (and even some new ones). It would allow us to see the Wandering by the Reboot Legion or more threeboot stuff whether legion or other characters. This would be mainly stories either set before the new Legion #1 (what would that be, 9 now?) or in alternate universes and unassociated with the current series. The point is that the two series should complement each other but not be required for each other. Any stories in the new continuity that don't work in the main series could be done as specials or miniseries (Kind of like Science Police. I didn't think that series was the best but I enjoyed the concept of the Ringers.)

That's what would be my ideal but I don't know how financially viable it would be.
Posted By: idle Re: Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper - 03/05/24 06:40 PM
I just got a chance to look through a Blue Beetle isssue and wow. Interesting, but understandable, Legion characters appear briefly.
Wall of text commence. Just some thoughts.

1. Respect the property’s past – even the corny bits – but tell NEW stories.

2. Pick a continuity as the foundation and fold in appropriate elements from the others. Treat the amalgam as though it’s always been that way. My preference would be the Adventure Comics continuity as the foundation with concepts and characters from the Reboot/Threeboot/Retroboot added – specifically having characters unique to a particular continuity, like Gates, be Legionnaires without in-story fanfare. I personally endorse keeping some of the diversity added later (Asian Cosmic Boy, black Star Boy) again treated as though it's always been that way.

3. Write a series bible to keep track of the seminal stories and personal events that are a part of the amalgam continuity’s history. DON’T obsess over making everything fit or explaining every discrepancy and contradiction. DON’T retell old stories. Use continuity for texture, character development, or as a NEW story generator.

4. Present 31st century Earth and the United Planets as a society that is peaceful, prosperous diverse and just for most people most of the time.

5. Have the membership be a mixture of young adults (mid-20s) and teens. Retain the maturity attained by the Adventure era Legionnaires during Levitz’s 1980s tenure and use the newer characters for the teen (and reader) POV.

6. Embrace the large cast – including non-super, non-familial supporting characters – and the expansive, exotic world(s) of the 31st century.

7. Engage the consultancy of a futurist to help advance 31st century technology beyond 1950s science fiction concepts.

8. Have Clark Kent be a member both in the past (as Superboy) and in the present (as Superman) – not only in BIG stories or crossover events but as a part-time member who occasionally spends a few days hanging with old friends and helping out.

9. Avoid stories in which the Legion travels to the past to “save” the future.

10. Have fun.
Originally Posted by idle
I personally would like two (or more) ongoing series.

1. The Legion - preferably fully formed or reformed and not spend tome building the team. Ideally for me this team would include members from the Original, reboot and retroboot teams. My comcept is basically retroboot team encounters the (remaining) "Wandering 247" team. this would allow the vast majority of members in some form or other. Since they were travelling the multiverse, they could pick up any spare characters. I would like to see Kono again and did like Spider-Girl's heroic turn although I would keep her as Wave. As for the Threeboot, I also feel like the future was off and didn't feel right. (I think it was the whole eat it Grandpa/youth rebellion aspect.) Oddly, I would love to see more of the side characters. Theena would have to join the team, but I would have liked to see more of the Wanderers. This encounter could be told in a series of flashbacks over numerous issues or an annual. The main point is hit the ground running and move forward.

2. An anthology series: This could have stories from all the different iterations (and even some new ones). It would allow us to see the Wandering by the Reboot Legion or more threeboot stuff whether legion or other characters. This would be mainly stories either set before the new Legion #1 (what would that be, 9 now?) or in alternate universes and unassociated with the current series. The point is that the two series should complement each other but not be required for each other. Any stories in the new continuity that don't work in the main series could be done as specials or miniseries (Kind of like Science Police. I didn't think that series was the best but I enjoyed the concept of the Ringers.)

That's what would be my ideal but I don't know how financially viable it would be.

I love both of these ideas.

The Anthology series I've always liked because you can have a Showcase style of a Legion focused book, then have an annual that brings different aspects of different teams together.
Originally Posted by Rob-Em
Wall of text commence. Just some thoughts.

1. Respect the property’s past – even the corny bits – but tell NEW stories.

2. Pick a continuity as the foundation and fold in appropriate elements from the others. Treat the amalgam as though it’s always been that way. My preference would be the Adventure Comics continuity as the foundation with concepts and characters from the Reboot/Threeboot/Retroboot added – specifically having characters unique to a particular continuity, like Gates, be Legionnaires without in-story fanfare. I personally endorse keeping some of the diversity added later (Asian Cosmic Boy, black Star Boy) again treated as though it's always been that way.

3. Write a series bible to keep track of the seminal stories and personal events that are a part of the amalgam continuity’s history. DON’T obsess over making everything fit or explaining every discrepancy and contradiction. DON’T retell old stories. Use continuity for texture, character development, or as a NEW story generator.

4. Present 31st century Earth and the United Planets as a society that is peaceful, prosperous diverse and just for most people most of the time.

5. Have the membership be a mixture of young adults (mid-20s) and teens. Retain the maturity attained by the Adventure era Legionnaires during Levitz’s 1980s tenure and use the newer characters for the teen (and reader) POV.

6. Embrace the large cast – including non-super, non-familial supporting characters – and the expansive, exotic world(s) of the 31st century.

7. Engage the consultancy of a futurist to help advance 31st century technology beyond 1950s science fiction concepts.

8. Have Clark Kent be a member both in the past (as Superboy) and in the present (as Superman) – not only in BIG stories or crossover events but as a part-time member who occasionally spends a few days hanging with old friends and helping out.

9. Avoid stories in which the Legion travels to the past to “save” the future.

10. Have fun.

All of these points are great. And be careful with the "crossovers" so as to only do them with Clark. I can see an editor getting greedy and start putting the Legion into the annual crossover du jour.
Some great discussion and ideas here, keep it up - even if it is sort of side-tracking the thread from reporting Legion sightings.

Two items:
- for anyone who missed it in the recent discussions, the Fourboot Legion (I prefer not to name it after the writer) has recently appeared in Green Arrow #3-5, mostly as side characters with Brainiac 5 being the only one to have a significant contribution since it involves time travel. Also the Durlan design has also been appearing in Green Lantern War Journal (John Stewart) since the current UP leader is a Durlan and one of his relatives was made a Green Lantern in the reorganised UP Corps.

- Blue Beetle #7 has a cover featuring several original legionnaires flying past in the background (as was teased over recent months) and, inside the issue, the time travelling Blue Beetle (Jaime) with Booster Gold have 3 pages joining in a fight between the 5YL Legion and BION. Featured are Kent Shakespeare, Laurel Gand, Devlin O'Ryan, and ... ? ... a red-headed woman who tries to trap BION in an energy web? I think it's meant to be Celeste Rockfish but in human form using green energy except the colour looks more yellow. (Oh and towards the end Jaime comes face to face with ... Jonni DC, the Continuity Cop(!) who complains about Jaime's various origins and mentions going on to talk to Huntress - again. Apparently the Legion situation is beneath their notice.)
(EDIT: I had missed that this is a Keith Giffen tribute issue which explains why 5YL Legion along with JLI and Lobo in the story.)

Combining that with the recent brief appearance of the original/retroboot Legion in JSA that means that we have recently seen at least three different versions of the Legion in various comics. So it looks to me like either no-one is co-ordinating Legion appearances and writers are doing whatever they like - or someone is encouraging all versions to appear for some reason. After all as they keep telling us since the last crisis, everything is in continuity.
So, I actually lean towards the Anthology approach. I want to see all of the different versions of the Legion, from the Adventure #247 version to the SA Adult Legion to the various versions from LSH #300 to Earth-1985 to the post-Crisis team to the Glortihverse to the Reboot to Superboy's Legion to the Threeboot to the Animated Team to the Retroboot to the Bendis Version. And a bunch more cool takes on the team we've never even seen yet. The Legion of Earth-Quality which is inspired by Wonder Boy. A Legion of Earth-S that is inspired by Mary Marvel. The Super-Sexy Adventurers of the 2940s. Legion: The Next Generation featuring Graym, et al. Continue all of their stories, and have them meet and interact regularly, though not in multiversal Crisis-type events. Gibe different creative teams the chance to experiment and have fun with it. And then if one or more versions prove particularly popular, spin them off into their own series.
Originally Posted by stile86
Some great discussion and ideas here, keep it up - even if it is sort of side-tracking the thread from reporting Legion sightings.

Two items:
- for anyone who missed it in the recent discussions, the Fourboot Legion (I prefer not to name it after the writer) has recently appeared in Green Arrow #3-5, mostly as side characters with Brainiac 5 being the only one to have a significant contribution since it involves time travel. Also the Durlan design has also been appearing in Green Lantern War Journal (John Stewart) since the current UP leader is a Durlan and one of his relatives was made a Green Lantern in the reorganised UP Corps.

- Blue Beetle #7 has a cover featuring several original legionnaires flying past in the background (as was teased over recent months) and, inside the issue, the time travelling Blue Beetle (Jaime) with Booster Gold have 3 pages joining in a fight between the 5YL Legion and BION. Featured are Kent Shakespeare, Laurel Gand, Devlin O'Ryan, and ... ? ... a red-headed woman who tries to trap BION in an energy web? I think it's meant to be Celeste Rockfish but in human form using green energy except the colour looks more yellow. (Oh and towards the end Jaime comes face to face with ... Jonni DC, the Continuity Cop(!) who complains about Jaime's various origins and mentions going on to talk to Huntress - again. Apparently the Legion situation is beneath their notice.)
(EDIT: I had missed that this is a Keith Giffen tribute issue which explains why 5YL Legion along with JLI and Lobo in the story.)

Combining that with the recent brief appearance of the original/retroboot Legion in JSA that means that we have recently seen at least three different versions of the Legion in various comics. So it looks to me like either no-one is co-ordinating Legion appearances and writers are doing whatever they like - or someone is encouraging all versions to appear for some reason. After all as they keep telling us since the last crisis, everything is in continuity.

Stile all I can say is that in regard to Blue Beetle, the FYL Legion was used because Josh Trujillo specifically wanted to focus on the era that was more Keith-specific, compared to the 80s Baxter era with Levitz. Kent, Laurel, Celeste, Devlin, and BION were all characters he created.
I would love an anthology, and I think it could work - all they need is a little introduction about multiple Earths, and off we go

each story could also have an intro about that particular Legion, and what makes it unique from the others
I agree - I've heard people float the concept for years now, and I think its a great idea.

Maybe even do it quarterly at first, like Showcase.
I don't understand why it has to be so hard. I don't understand what is so difficult to grasp about the concept.

I've been saying it for years, but DC seems to use up more effort to avoid admitting there are actually problems to fix with their books compared to what it'd take to ACTUALLY FIX THEM. There shouldn't HAVE to be a discussion about how to reintroduce the Legion because of over a decades worth of screw-ups and editorial mismanagement. There shouldn't HAVE to be so much effort needed to justify why there should be a Legion book at all. And readers shouldn't have to rely on crumbs from a writer most of us have hated for years because another writer managed to screw up worse than a combined 40 years of cancelled titles.

You know what my greatest desire at the moment is, as someone who wants the chance to write the Legion professionally? A slot in either a Halloween anthology or a holiday anthology. I'm not interested in doing my own "Great Darkness" or "Legion Lost." I shouldn't have to feel that I need to pitch "MY" Legion when I just want to write the Legion.

I don't think it's fair to Dan Didio was allowed to leave behind the mess he made at DC for others to clean up, just like it wasn't fair for Brian Bendis to do what he did to the Legion and leave. It shouldn't have to fall on the shoulders of other writers to clean up someone else's mess, and I'm tired of how it feels like that's all mainstream comics are. A never ending cycle of half-completed clean up jobs that get passed around, to the point no one ever gets to really... write.
Modern-day Naltor will show up in a story within DC Pride 2024.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/al-ewing-joins-dc-comics-with-dc-pride-2024/

Unrelated, but Al Ewing's first DC story will be in there as well. I hope there are more in the future...
DC's new softcover bookstore line DC Finest will debut at the end of the year, and the classic Legion are set to be a part of it:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/details-of-dc-finest-dc-comics-version-of-marvels-epic-line/

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DC Finest: Legion of Super-Heroes
$39.99 US On sale Dec 10, 2024 | 505 Pages
A major new line of DC collected editions begins with the earliest stories starring the Legion of Super-Heroes! DC Finest: The Legion of Super-Heroes collects all the tales that make the it the perfect fit for any fan or new reader!

DC Finest is intended to be "affordably priced" (at 500 pages for $40) so maybe this could be an opportunity to get collections of old Legion stories into people's hands without burning half a paycheck.
Interesting that they seem to be doing the Cockrum/Grell era rather than yet another reprinting of the Adventure stories.

I'm all in for the JSA volume, though.
Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
Interesting that they seem to be doing the Cockrum/Grell era rather than yet another reprinting of the Adventure stories.

I'm all in for the JSA volume, though.

What I don't understand is why they wouldn't start out with Cockrum's first story, instead of preceding it with a big bunch of the stories leading up to it. They're not well drawn at all, and this could cause a lot of potential readers to pass on the trade.
That's actually interesting - I don't think it will completely cover the gap, but there are a LOT of 70s stories not collected in any hardcover outside the archives.
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
That's actually interesting - I don't think it will completely cover the gap, but there are a LOT of 70s stories not collected in any hardcover outside the archives.

Not to sound overly negative, but I think the vast majority of 70s Legion stories are just not good reading -- even the first two Cockrum stories (Superboy 184 and 188) have eye-rollingly dumb scripts (Tenzil "eating" a death ray!) Of course, everyone has the right to make up their own mind, but I'm just trying to look at it from the point of view of potential new readers. I still think DC missed the boat by not starting with Cockrum's third story (Superboy 190.) That one has Tharok and Validus, loads of action, and Imra shining.
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