http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=19379

Here's our first look inside at what has displaced our beloved Legion.

.....er.....enjoy?

I am underwhelmed. Of course seeing Keith Giffen's name on it didn't help it for me.

they probably should have gone for a stronger hook in the first six pages. the art is nice on the opening splash.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

FIXED it for you...

O boy. False clues and misdirection galore, just in the first few pages.

“Ten years ago… the Five came. Implants failed. Life-support systems crashed. Governments toppled… Power went out across a thousand worlds… a resistance rose up—and was quickly squashed. No room for heroes in the New Cosmic Order…”

But which Five? The Fatal Five? Sounds like the final arc of Legion.

Or is it the Justice League?

And a mention of Cadmusworld (home of Ariel Masters (who looks a lot like Alexis Luthor) and Teri and Terry (Winathan twins?))

The 21st-century Cadmus was a cloning project. And T&T somehow created and control the Justice League?

Wow, where can I find JLA3000World.net?

<irony>

First sentence: "how the mighty have fallen."

BWAHAHAHAHAHA INDEED!!!!

cadmus cadmus cadmus cadmus justice league ... wait wut!

This comic NEEDS ROB LIEFELD!!!!!!!!

its a porn comicbook?

I might pick this up after all.

Definitely not lasting longer than Threshold did.

So sad.

don't google "threshold comics" btw.

why? is it about implants?

basically.

I thought they would have another re-boot of the Legion of Super-Heroes, but that's not happening... they've ended the LSH in favor of a 30th Century Justice League. Don't like that decision at all... but, as far at the preview, I suppose it's okay...

I have to disagree. Just having the name Justice League on it will guarantee at least enough lemmings buying it to outlast Threshold.

It's a bit sad that the majority of the preview focuses on Ariel.

Even sadder that she seems to be more intriguing than the Cadmus twins or the five JL members (granted, the JL 5 DID only appear iin one ginormous page...)

I am reminded of an arc in X-Men 2099, where the team of that future met a kook who had created a team of artificially mutated (and mind-controlled) mutants that aped the powers and (in some cases) look of the original five X-Men, including a three-armed 'beast,' a red-headed telekinetic, a dude who shot a laser out of one of his eyes, etc. The setup teased an appearance by the 'classic' X-Men, showing a silhouette of the Angel against the moon at night, only to then reveal that these 'X-Men' where knockoffs created to replicate the original five.

This Justice League being revealed to be knock-offs, created and / or controlled by some similar kook, perhaps a villain, perhaps just a terribly confused person who wants to fill the void of superheroism by recreating a legendary historical team of heroes, could actually be an interesting story, as the creations begin to question the orders of their mastermind/creator (who may order them to do things he considers appropriately 'heroic,' like kill bad-guys, that they find themselves disagreeing with), and, in the process, these mockeries of ages-dead heroes discover within themselves what heroism actually means (or, for others, fail spectacularly to do so, and become threats that must be put down, perhaps by pre-existing 'retired' or 'disbanded' heroes who happen to be lying idle, waiting for this golden opportunity to remind everyone why heroes were ever necessary, and can't just be pumped out by nostalgic idealists with do-it-yourself-genetic-manipulation kits and too much free time).

But that could seem like quite the bait-and-switch to a customer who bought Justice League 3000 expecting it to be about the Justice League, and not the heroes who end up having to put them down / shut them off / change their programming / show them how to become actual heroes and not action figures of long-dead champions.

That's one of the things I was expecting it to be as soon as I thought they would be clones. Confused, out of place heroes struggling against various interests to follow the heroism they feel inside them. Sort of like the start of Next Men too, to my mind.

I really like the artwork. Actually the story seems okay. But the premise puts me off. I'll wait for a while and see what others say. Then I'll get the trade... maybe

You can place the blame wherever you wish, but the fact is that Marvel's "Avengers" movie killed the Legion.

That film made so much money that the folks at DC Entertainment felt very envious and have adjested everything they're doing toward an eventual JLA movie, with more Superman and Batman films along the way, all in the hopes of getting some of that Avengers money.

So, anything in the DC Comics part of the equation must help reinforce what DCE sees as their endgame; so, if it doesn't involve the Justice League (no matter how bizarrely so or how poorly so) then DC is no longer interested.

As for me, I'll be doing my part to strike back at this by never buying the JL3K or encouraging others to buy it. Let it die a quick death.

What happens if Guardians of the Galaxy takes off? Will the team that inspired the originals come back or will DC revive Threshold?

Grumpy Rickshaw1 says "No!"

The current GotG are a L.E.G.I.O.N. counterpart, not LSH.

I'd say that's pretty shaky logic to draw that particular conclusion, George. I'm sure if the Legion was selling well for them, rather than continually tanking in relaunch after relaunch, that they wouldn't have cancelled it just because they wanted to build the JLA into an Avengers-like powerhouse. I'm not saying DC has handled the Legion well at all, but ascribing this motivation to the Legion's fall is pretty ridiculous. DC is putting out more JLA-centric material simply because it sells, just as Marvel had done with the Avengers and X-Men franchises well before they hit big with their Marvel Studios productions. We'll see if JL3K follows suit saleswise or proves to be an exception for DC.

I looked at it at the comics shop.

No thanks.

Didn't they do this already with Superboy? Twice?

Are all the comics writers being given a birthday party at Build-A-Clone?

Hi,

I'm thoth-clone and I take exception to the last post. It's this type of clonophobia that is preventing DC and it's owners from having the perfect captive audience. An audience it can make in vats to then go out and buy it's products. The other clones are also upset. We all think alike. Always. We have seen the future and it is one where we are made.

Having read the preview, the art is decent. The story seems a little ordinary, but accessible. I wasn't too intrigued by the deliberate vagueness of some plot threads. Oh dear. Cadmus...again. Good to see DC still mining Kirby.

Hey, look how awesome and successful that clone stuff was for Spider-Man! And when Nightcrawler turned out to have dozens of Azazel-spawn siblings? Whoo!

DC is just trying to tap into the best of Marvel's greatest hits, and make their own Clone Saga!

[warning; may contain sarcasm]

I think I skipped that decade form Marvel. Looks like I may be skipping the next one from DC.

To me, it would have been more interesting if they were taken out of a moment of time by the Time Trapper and Really where the Justice League. Maybe from an alternate timeline or something, but NOT clones. Clones are so over done to me. Sort of like the SW6 Legion.

I think I read an interview where the creators were anticipating the groans on the reveal of them being clones, but said that the readers should bear with them.

It's possible that those groans were in amongst the groans of the Legion cancellation or Giffen getting another shot at something doomed to failure or yet another JLA knock off or yet another NuDC launch to keep the number of title up or yet another Giffen attempt to imitate Kirby or ...

The whole quote was possibly back when it was the amazing DeMatteis/Giffen/Maguire line up rather than the hastily shoved together DeMatteis/Giffen/Porter line up. So add another DC 11th hour change of approach to the list

Hm, I said goodbye to this project the moment Porter was designated the regular artist instead of Maguire... but the Preview looks rather okay to me, obviously it helps when he's inking himself? He still has a serious problem with faces, he always did have even back on his JLA stint. But the backgrounds and design are looking quite decent, rich, interesting.

Until the big splash page is coming, that I find rather hideous...

But like many here I sincerely doubt this project will survive its second birthday...

Since I imagine that the original creative line up had the cast bicker constantly. I wonder just how far they've had to change it to fit the new artist. If they haven't changed it, I wonder how well it will work with Porter.

I type "wonder" but not in any way strong enough to buy it.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggh!

Next time I'll listen to you.

Interesting theory as to the identity of the JLA in this book and who they really are.

http://slaymonstrobot.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/prediction-justice-league-like-lightning.html

Not sure if I have seen that mentioned here...I think it is entirely possible.

I elected to try this series, at least for a few issues, to see what may happen. First impressions are, as one Worlder appropriately stated earlier, underwhelming. Dystopian crappy future (ugh!), scratchy artwork style, and obnoxious 'hero' qualities (especially from the Trinity) led to this issue being just another alternate JLA story which held little interest for me. In fairness, I'll give it a few more tries because it's tough to get an ongoing series rolling in a single issue, but a grumpy Batman, crazy Wonder Woman, and self-serving Superman have little appeal to this consumer.

I think I read the Forever Evil link, but I'm fairly sure the date on that article goes much further back. Having not touched Forever Evil, I've no idea.

Is there much Giffen/Dematties banter in there? Grumpy Batman sounds familiar. Going by the Superman comment in the preview, something was wrong with their personalities. Will the title last long enough for something more heroic to emerge or will they always remain jerks?

Too scared to google threshold...

I think I will wait until the trade paperback. I am a bit uncertain if this title will last long.

From NewsaRama's March DC solicits:



:yawn:

They are the finger puppets of Felix Faust!

Yes!! I thought that when I first saw the lettered preview! Makes perfect sense!

*Gasp!* You mean they're going to learn about DC editorial? The horror!

JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 #5

Having learned of DC editorial, the five heroes have committed suicide. But that won't stop DC as a new batch of clones is produced. "We'll get it right if it takes us a thousand years," they are heard cackling as they descend into their hibernation tanks.

That thought occurred to me as I flipped thru the book at the comic shop (didn't buy it). Somehow, they looked and acted like the CSA to me. We'll see.....

I'd be all for it if it leads to the JL3000 beating up DC Editorial in-comic!

Where's Cary Bates when you need him?

I never once thought of buying this. I also didn't think to smash a hammer on my head or set my penis on fire.

If the odd personalities are endearing enough, a la the very early JL issues in the 1980s, then reader empathy may not be an issue. If they are utter clowns with few redeeming features...well the Invisibles is a good example of a book being redirected when it's central character is utterly disliked.

I wonder which characters' speech patterns would be patterned after his this time?

You just did all that because you drink heavily...

Might be easier the other way around (just trying to be helpful).

I would NEVER suggest such things, even in jest! So obviously.....Cobie's been thinking about these.

Burning bush is Biblical but I don't recall anything about a burning.....

Oh wait, wasn't there something about a pillar of fire?

Way to derail a thread Cobie.

Would it really surprise you?

This new title did nothing for me either. Not even the introduction of these new "Wonder Twins" did it for me.

Seriously,...... NEXT!!

I took a look at it and have to admit I'm tempted by the artwork alone. I thought the look was very good.

If you haven't seen this already. You should at 2:25 it is said that JL3000 takes places BEFORE Legion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ijBJ7LLeQ

Interesting tidbit.

So, putting this together with the "inspired by Kon-El" bit from the Superboy series, I wonder if there could be tentative plans to have this title as the precursor to a new Legion reboot with Kon-El playing a very active role (after he gets better from being dead, I suppose)?

I doubt there are any plans for a Legion reboot at this time. As far as this JLA 3000 taking place before the Legion, does it really matter at this point? DC has totally abandoned any continuity in its titles, except for the mega title crossover crap-taculars which just screw up any decent current-running storylines.

I don't think there's any EXCEPT.

Is there any story published over twelve months ago that can still be said to be "in continuity" in the DCFU?

I couldn't agree more.

Oh, I do get the feeling that it will build up towards something Legionesque. I'd certainly not rule it out at all. Hopefully it won;t live long enough, but I can;t image there not being plans to test the water with it.

The Legion of Super-Heroes will form:
(a) to stop this rogue cloned Justice League
(b) to redeem the mess the JL3000's backers created
(c) as a competing team for RJBrande
(d) all of the above
(e) none of the above

(f) penis

Saw the interview. Since they know it's before the Legion, it must have come up. So it would seem there is a Legion option in the future.

On the Legion Tracker poll, I'm leaning towards choice "E" or "F".
To eventually involve the traditional Legion we all know and love there would need to be another reboot, so who knows what would actually happen?

Are there any sales figures for this issue yet? Hoping that it flops.

Hoping this will flop?

Not at all official but the guy who runs the comic shop that I frequent tells me that, when originally solicited, there was some interest, primarily due to the Giffen-Maguire connection.

When it was re-solicited (minus Maguire) the interest disappeared.

They sold a whole two copies and one of those was only used as part of a prank (appropriately cut up into the shape of the 'Legion' emblem and spray-painted gold - used as a Christmas tree ornament).

It this is any indication to the folks at DCfU then it's probably already being considered for cancellation.

Good riddance!

Long live the Legion!

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say I hope a bunch of people lose their jobs just because I didn't get the comic I wanted to read (which realistically is exactly what you're asking for when you're gleefully praying for the whole thing to go belly up), but this isn't really something I'm interested in going by the previews I've seen. It just seems like a really pointlessly mean-spirited reinvention of some iconic characters...not really my cup of tea.

The fact that this book exists at all doesn't offend me though. I mean there's absolutely no reason JL3000 & a LSH book couldn't co-exist, that's purely an editorial decision. I'm not going to hope that people lose their jobs and other fans lose a concept they enjoy just because it's not something I'm not personally invested in, that's basically the equivalent of being that kid at the playground who breaks everyone else's toys out of spite when he loses his own so nobody can have any fun...

I don't think that anyone's job is actually on the line with this title failing. In an ideal world, the genius who came up with the idea of replacing the Legion with JL3K would fall upon his/her metaphorical sword.

Won't happen.

Giffen, the writer, is one of the in-crowd at DCfU and won't have that much time to languish between projects. And, as for the art team, it's not that bad if applied to something else. If anything, DC has trouble holding on to it's creative people these days.

As for the desire to see JL3K topple over, I suspect that is just going to have to be accepted as how Legion fans see things. Even if JL3K were the best book in recent years, Legion fans would hate it for no other reason than that it has [arguably] taken away the Legion's place at DC. Sure, editorial decisions and sales played the lion's share of the decision to cancel Legion but, in our hearts, we'll never truly see it that way.

We're passionate about the Legion. Simply that. Anything that gets in the way of that admittedly single-minded thought process will always be met with resistance.

As for 'gleefully praying that the whole thing goes belly up'; I'll admit to that with a sly grin if only to "stick it to the [editorial] man", hopefully the ones who are avoiding the sword.

Long live the Legion.

JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 #2
On Sale 1/15
U.S. Price:
2.99

Before the team can figure out what happened to their memories, Cadmus sends some seemingly familiar faces into the darkness of Commonwealth space to face off against the first member of a new group of villains called LOCUS!

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JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 #3
On Sale 2/12
U.S. Price:
2.99

The Flash is defeated. Green Lantern is in the clutches of Locus, a psychotic teenaged girl with the powers of God. And Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman have been banished to a planet wide penal colony!

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If Nardo makes an appearance, I'm buying it.

do they not normally say that someone has the powers of "a god" rather than "god" just to be a little PC?

Before jumping on the Nardo-wagon, bear in mind that it was loyalty, teamwork and bravery that got the Legion out. Plot devices and bickering will probably work for this lot.

I'm just confused as to whether Locus is the name of the group or one of its members.

Maybe it's both being Godlike

NO NARDO


http://www.tumblr.com/search/justice+league+3000

Unless that's a new version of Nardo. The goggles are there to make him look cooler.

Nardo doesn't walk with the guards. he oversees it from above or from his plush prison warden quarters.

Why don't Superman and Wonder Woman break out from the bracelets? Are they still using the old "they are tailored for my powers" cliché?

Maybe the planet they are going to has a higher definition of strength than what Terrans do. In the case of Superman, I would hope the villains would be intelligent enough to imprison him on a planet that doesn't have a yellow sun.

Politician: I'm sorry Nardo. We're going to have to let you go.
Nardo: What? But none have ever escaped my prison. Well in this reboot anyway.

Politician: I know Nardo. And your record for killing inmates is good too.
Nardo: Then >choke< why?!

Politician: We're outsourcing Nardo. It's all very well have Kryptonite traps and Superman-proof cuffs. It's great that you built the place out of Inertron. But, Nardo, do we really need all that? Your most dangerous prisoner can turn himself into a blockade. We were thinking of hiring him to replace the prison itself.

Nardo: But no one ever gets away! We have ray guns!
Politician: But do we need to keep buying all those ray guns? Would a ill trained, one eyed, former crossing guard with a slingshot not suffice? No, we're giving the contract to Unaccountable Syphoning Inc...

I demand a Cobie's Flaming Penis thread.

I don't demand JL3K # 2... but I suppose I'll get it. I'll give Giff and DeM 3 issues. Too bad JL3K wasn't even half as fun as their LARFLEEZE though.

I am not reading this, but I somehow cannot look away.

From what I have gleaned from the internet, there are already stark differences between JL3K and JL2K.

Superman:
• Lacks heat vision.
• Personality change: he is arrogant, smug and vain; considers himself better than his teammates.
• Makes lewd and misogynistic comments to and regarding Wonder Woman.
• Hates Batman with a passion.

Batman:
• Personality change: impulsive and hot-headed, rather the opposite of the cool, grim Dark Knight as he is generally portrayed.
• Hates Superman with a passion.

Wonder Woman:
• Lacks her “magical” paraphernalia.
• Violent in the extreme; lacks the compassion of the 21st-century WW.
• Ugly. But that may just be the art.
• Claims not to remember the Superman-Wonder Woman romance.

The Flash:
• Lacks the aura which protected him from friction, and allowed him to vibrate through walls.

Green Lantern
• Lacks a power ring. Has some sort of compensating technology in his cloak-and-cowl, but considers it inferior.
• Personality change: remarkably optimistic, cheerful and upbeat, to the point of being silly.

The five apparently consider themselves to be Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Princess Diana, Barry Allen and Hal Jordan; however, they also seem to be somehow aware that their memories are false, artificial, or implanted, and that they are in some measure ¿reconstructions? of their previous selves.

The Flash proves he is a Legion fan: