We've all asked at one time or another. In what issue did Chameleon Boy first appear as a trash can (Superman v.1 Annual #4 (1961))? Or does anyone have image references of Saturn Girl's sister Jancel?



Well, instead of starting multiple threads I thought we'd have one spot to post such requests.

So the next time you are in need of a reference or just want to know something about obscure Legion history, post here. One of the many Legion archivists, maybe even Oracle Boy himself, will be glad to help.

Hmm, I'll give this a try! I'm working on a blog entry - the Top 8 80s Comic Costumes - and I'd love to include a Legionnaire (besides 80s-tastic Supergirl). Which Legionnaire(s) had an awesomely 80s costume? I'm thinking most of the rockin' Cockrum/Grell costume changes happened in the 70s, but I'm not sure - any thoughts? Any specifically 80s Legionnaire costumes? Thanks!

So far my list includes Supergirl (Crisis era), Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Lobo, Boom Boom (X-Factor/New Mutants era), Black Canary (Justice League International era), and Ice (JLI).

Legionnaire with an Awesomely 80s Costume: Sensor Girl (first appearance LSH V. 3 # 14, which also has one of the greatest covers of all time.)

Polar Boy's updated costume from the start of the Baxter run should also be considered.

Oooh both good choices! Sensor Girl - the hair! The blouse! The boxy shoulders! The attitude! Polar Boy - the collar! The Shoulder pads! The shiny WWF (or WWE?) belt!

I'll have to analyze both for their 80stastic properties...thanks Vee and Stealth.

Sensor Girl for sure! I like the streamlining of Colossal Boy's costume.

Absolutely Sensor Girl. None more 80's-er.

I liked Dawnstar's Magic Wars costume from the 80's. Heck I liked Ultra Boy's as well. That's it for the Magic Wars. (ok i liked Cham's hood)

Great idea, LL! I often need reference pics, and most of the time just an issue number, so this will come in really handy for me. I'll also be happy to help when I can.

Here's my Top 8 Super-Hero Costumes of the 80s:
http://www.comics2film.com/b/index....mes&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Thanks for the help - I decided to make it an all female list so I went with Sensor Girl and her pant suit/blouse costume.

Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:

Legion Academy pic

And I think there were some others, like the red girl and the flying fish things that appeared in the issue Quislet, Tellus etc. joined in. Anyone know anything about them?

Check out this topic .

Check out this topic .

Awww! IB are you cheating?

Now, just in case I'm wrong about you asking this question today of all days...are you playing LEGIOPARDY, also? If not, then I apologize, and you can forget I said anything...if I'm right, then SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

P.S.
If I am right, who are you there?

Oh! I guess that means that the answer lies here or even here -

I need a pic of Mekt Ranzz from the current Legion run a full body one if I could please.

also could I get the pic from the newest issue with Mekt pointing at Tenzil Kem.

any one have some good reference of the gayest cosmic boy costume ever???

You'll have to be more specific.

the one were he's almost naked???

Here's one...

and here's another though smaller image.

Limited Collectors Edition - C49

ahh thanks xP !!!

long ago i owned a comic with this costume in it but i gave it to a friend thinking i could find it online---sadly it been harder to find then i thought

Aw, it wasn't cheating No rule said we couldn't ask for help

And once I found a copy of THE POSTER, I saw the answer.

Btw, congrats on the win, ken

And thanks for the help, Gary

any one have a pic of Brainiac's Daughter from kingdom come???

Working on it unless someone beats me to it. Have to finish the LW back up before I can upload the image.

Sorry. My scanner and I aren't on speaking terms at the moment.

Scott, can you help out Timberwolf too?

I'll see what I can do.

Do these work?

Let me know if you need more than these.

yes thank you

i would love a comprehensive visual reference for the animated LSH. including villains/substitutes.
anybody up for compiling that?

If I ever get the time to finish screen capping the episodes and posting them to LegionPics that would be what I could provide. Just need an easier way to do them than I've had. You can see an example here for the Lightning Storm episode.

The grey alien is called

And the "fish" are called and I think was the name most people wanted for red girl.

I believe I know all of the Uncanny Amazers, but is there a listing of them somewhere (names, powers, additions, etc.?).

Also, how about the Reboot Heroes of Lallor (did they appear more than once ever) and the full list of Workforce members (I believe the line-up changed twice).

Thanks in advance!

Try this link for the Amazers Cobie.

Here for Workforce.

And here for Pre- and Post-Boot Heroes of Lallor.

Now, can I go back into my bronchitis induced coma?

You rock Scooter!

And yes, you can get back to recovering from your bronchitis induced coma! More tea with hot sauce Mr., or I'm telling Caroline!

Is Sid's Soy Satellite really in the books or tv show, or is it fanfic?

If it's for real, is there a reference picture?

Let me put it this way:

It looks like whatever you think a Super Drive-In...of Space! looks like.

In what issues did Ultra Boy have amnesia? Thanks!

Back in 1988, prior to The Wanderers series coming out, some DC Comics contained pages that had a small profile of each Wanderer. Each page contained 2 members and had a front and side pic and brief description of their abilities. I no longer have my books from that year and would greatly appreciate if someone who has could scan those 3 pages for me. Thanks ahead of time!

It roughly took place during #273 - #282. Although I think his amnesia ended in #275 the story wasn't resolved until the end of the Reflecto storyline in #282.

I've looked through what copies of 1988 DC comics I have on hand and cannot find any of these profiles. Do you have anything more specific, like titles they appeared in or dates? IIRC The Wanderers premiered in June so I would think it would be just a month or two before that.

Wondering if anyone's got old copies of Previews to get (scans of?) pre-Lgs61/LSH105 solicits for LegionWiki.

Any really would help, but in particular the Legion of the Damned feature article (essentially a second, expanded solicit for LSH122, the only missing bit post-Lgs61/LSH105), LSH 0, Lgs 0, Lgs 50 and LSH 100 would help.

I have every Previews form March 1995 - October 2004 with the exception of these 16 issues August 95, Sept 95, March 99, April 99, June 01, July 01, August 01, Sept 01, Oct 01, June 03, August 03, Oct 03, Nov 03, April 04, May 04, Sep 04. I stopped picking up Previews after Oct 04. I'm not clear on what it is you wanting though.

The solicit blurbs for, well, any Legion of Super-Heroes and Legionnaires issues from the zero issues to Legionnaires #61 & Legion of Super-Heroes #105, [I found a couple of online sources that meant I could fill in the solicits after that point, which was "issues on sale April 1998", so I suppose that would be the equivalent of the February 1998 Previews onwards for the purposes].

This sort of blurb:

The four I mentioned especially (the #0s and the anniversary issues), well the #0s [on-sale Aug 1994, so probably the June 1994 Previews] would be before your first issues. Legionnaires #50 was on-sale May 1997, so probably Previews March 1997; and LSH 100 was on-sale Nov 1997, so probably Previews September 1997. Any from that range up to Previews Jan 1998 would be helpful though.

I have copies of Advanced Comics as well the pre-dates my Preview issues so i got 0 issues from them.

LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #0 $1.95
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Color. Waid/McCraw/Immonen/Boyd
Shipping August 16. New Format.
With the timestream restored, it's back to the future for the incredible origin of the 30th century's greatest heroes. Multibillionaire R.J. Brande is looking for a way to repay the universe for his lifetime of prosperity. When Brande is targeted for assassination, three super-powered teenagers battle to save his life, inspiring the wealthy philanthropist to back the creation of a new heroic tradition —— one embodied by a Legion of Super-Heroes.

[D] LEGIONNAIRES #0 $1.50
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Color. McCraw/Waid/Moy/Boyd/C-Moy
Shipping August 30. Standard Format.
The fledgling Legion of Super-Heroes recruits its first new members and gets in way over it's head during their first official mission. While investigating the assassination attempt on their mentor, R.J. Brande, the Legionnaires fall into the hands of a new super-villain, leading to the team's first casualty.

LEGIONNAIRES #50
WRITTEN BY ROGER STERN AND TOM MCCRAW; ART BY JEFFREY MOY AND W.C. CARANI; COVER BY ADAM HUGHES
DCU. The Thirtieth Century's greatest heroes face their most fearsome foe in this special fiftieth issue, which includes a cover by Adam Hughes and a bound-in poster featuring the entire Legion membership by artists Alan Davis and Mark Farmer. The extralength story, "The Bride of Mordru!" features both triumph and tragedy when a long-missing Legionnaire returns to the team in the midst of a battle that is not without casaulties. As part of his plan to rule the universe, the evil wizard Mordru has formed an alliance with the mystically powerful Emerald Eye.
Unfortunately, this alliance has taken the form of a wedding between the Eye's "host," Shrinking Violet, and the sinister sorcerer himself! Can the Legionnaires crash the ceremony and save their teammate —— and the entire universe —— before the unholy union is achieved? The Ultimate battle for control of the Emerald Eye begins —— and ends —— here! For more information, see the feature article.
____FC, 48 PG.
MANDO FORMAT (NOTE PRICE).....$3.95

LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #100
WRITTEN BY TOM PEYER, PAUL LEVITZ, TOM MCCRAW, ROGER STERN, MARK FARMER, RON BOYD AND OTHERS; ART BY LEE MODER, JASON ARMSTRONG, ALAN DAVIS, WALTER SIMONSON, FARMER, RON BOYD AND OTHERS; GATEFOLD COVER BY DAVIS AND FARMER
DCU. Legion Month reaches its thrilling conclusion with a triple-sized millennium-spanning celebration of the biggest team in comics! In the tempestuous conclusion of "C.O.M.P.U.T.O. the Conqueror!," the timelost members of the Legion find their way back to the 30th century, with the aid of Superboy, Impulse, Robin, Green Lantern, and the JLA's Martian Manhunter! Plus, learn the real relationship between Apparition and L.E.G.I.O.N.'s Phase, and discover the final fate of Triad! Plus, a backup story introduces the "Legion Outpost," the team's new orbiting nerve center, along with new LSH penciller Jason Armstrong (THE RAY, Spider-Man). Also, DC Publisher Paul Levitz writes his first Legion story in eight years! Illustrated by Walter Simonson, it's a story that shows the Legion investigating an intergalactic anomaly that will have significant impact on the team in coming months. All this, plus additional short stories and pin-ups by Adam Hughes, Stuart Immonen, Chris Sprouse, Dan Jurgens, Philip Moy, Louise Simonson, Dusty Abell, and many more!
____FC, 96 PG. MANDO FORMAT ..............................................$5.95

Thank you again, Lightning Lad.

One of the few, glaring gaps in my Legion collection is the absence of the JLA issues the Legion appeared in back in the 70's (JLA 146 & 147??). I have not been able to track them down for many years. Can anyone confirm the issue numbers and maybe provide a picture of their covers for my search?

Thank you!

See this topic for more info.

Hey Nightcrawler!

Thanks for all the help. I actually forgot that I originally posted to the topic link you provided, but this is the first time I've seen the actual covers. My comic book store, back in the day, never carried any Giant issues, which is why I missed these. However, I think the Crisis on Multiple Earths #4 is the route I will try first.

All this reference info was a great help!

Who is Rain Girl? I know a Legion reject looks like her, but when did she get a name? Has she appeared anywhere else?
I saw a "Legion doll" in Rat's Nest site here:
http://ratsnest.of-the-night.com/legion2.html
and Rain Girl is a member of the Legion Academy (last row, left)

The only "appearance" of Rain Girl that I'm aware of was in the Bits of Legionnaire Business in Adventure #308 as a suggestion by Jess and Steve Weiner.

Thank you, LL!
I'm trying to locate the issue the reject who looks like the "Rain Girl" micro appeared in - in just one panel and without a name - but have had no luck yet.

Edit: OK, this girl appeared in Adventure #301 in a few panels.

Re: the link above - Most of the names are made up on the Academy members and Krypton Kid isn't from the 30th century.

Yes, I noticed later that "Rain Girl" was a conjectural name. Still, I wonder. In Legion wiki she's mentioned as "Spider girl". I suppose that's conjectural too, because of her red, very thick hair and the green color of her costume. She does remind me a bit of Sussa.
I couldn't find the slightest evidence that she was a "proto-Sussa" though, or that her powers had anything to do with rain since she never demonstrated her powers and the suggestion for Rain Girl came in a later issue.
But it was a nice little mystery. Here's a picture of this pretty applicant and, presumably, reject from Adv. #301 in case anyone else wants to see her.
Thank you both for your help, guys.

She's in this smiley -

Hey, cool! This forum has endless little, and no so little, surprises; and that shouldn't come as a surprise by now.

Who's the cute guy coming on to Chuck?

Heheheh. You may have something there, lil'rhino. He *does* look fond of Chuck and Chuck's expression is one of...amusement? Or something else?

Anyway, I don't think he appears anywhere else in that story and he has the name "Tiger Shark" (I think that's him) in the Legion wiki, obviously from the pattern on his chest.

Hi,

Does anyone have the issue number, name (and a picture) of the energy base lifeform that the Legion was trying to recruit close to the beginning of the reboot?

You mean Lume? That would be Legion of Super-Heroes # 66. He appeared a second time in Legionnaires # 56.

In an article on CBR, urban legends revealed 126 mentions a possible follow up to Crisis as involving a legion related group called the Corruptors.

Any one got any info on them as they seem to have passed me by?

I don't remember anything about a "Corruptors" in LSH history, but there were the Controllers. I'm thinking somebody goofed, and they meant to say the Controllers. After all, they are very much like the Guardians, and have had a number of rouge members over the years.

IIRC, Marvel has a villain named the Corruptor.

thanks Craig. I wondered if they meant the Controllers.

Heres the relevant passage from CBR

I asked Jerry Ordway if he could describe the proposed series, which was going to be called Crisis of the Soul.

Jerry, being a fine gentleman, complied -


The Crisis sequel was Crisis of the Soul, and featured the Corruptors from Legion continuity, I think. It was meant to be very personal to the heroes, showing them the darkness and having them deal with it and reject it or not. The Corruptors basically quarantine the Earth and that’s all I remember off the top of my head. Paul Levitz and I plotted out the main beats, and it was all set to go, until the editor ran into resistance from the other editors who didn’t want to have to cross over with it. Then when the editors changed, I bowed out. It became Legends, but it was fairly different from what we originally planned.

Not sure if the controllers would fit this description of a group who would use corruption of the soul and embracing or rejecting of it as a weapon.

Sound more like Eclipso to me.

Cosmic Boy (& Night Girl?) as Freedom Fighters?

Can someone post (or point me in the direction of) a quality scan of the cover to Adventure Comics 501 (which reprints an Adventure era story that has the legion vs. hitler)... I also need a good scan of Blue Ribbon Digest #35, I assume it's a wraparound cover since Colossal Boy's hand disappears to the side but I've only ever seen scans of the front cover...
Thanks

I'm in the middle of writing a thing about Ferro Lad for Legion Abstract. But I need images from the Sun-Eater story, where he sacrifices his life. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.

I stopped getting the new Supergirl title a while back. I understand a "Power Boy" appeared in it. Can someone tell me which issues he appeared in and was he the same character as Jed Rekane (sp?) of the Legion Academy or the Power Boy statue in the Adult Legion story?

Thanks!

KQ: This Power Boy was not Jed Rikane nor the one in the Adult Legion story. This is tha same Power Boy that appears as one of the Teen Titans during the year of "52" and that will be appearing in the Titans East one shot coming next month. In the Supergirl issues, he appears on the scene and the two start dating. However, he is obsessive and jealous and actually beats her. Of course, she ends up defeating him in the end. Not sure how he turns up in the new Titans East under Cyborg's leadership, but we'll find out more I'm sure.

More on the Power Boys .

Adventure Comics 501 .

I'll have to find my copy of the other digest to post it.

In case you're interested, here's the cover of the upcoming Titans East special with Power Boy front and center. That's him with the cut out shirt, showing off his hairy chest like a male version of Power Girl.

Thanks!

Appreciate the skinny on Power Boy.

Thanks Vee and Nightcrawler!

Could someone please post a big scan (~150dpi) of the Workforcers' holograms on pg 2 of Legionnaires #69?

I've posted the abovementioned article on Ferro Lad, here . Every now and then I come up with an insight or two that I'm particularly proud of, and this is one of those times.

What's the dpi on these ?

What exactly were the tax reasons that the pre-Crisis Legion of Super-Heroes couldn't have more than 25 members?

H at the excellent website The Comic Treadmill just asked me something. In this article he was going over some Silver Age Legion stories, and a guy in the comments brought up this point:

In the last panel of the Bouncing Boy story in Adventure #301, there's a guy with a brown shirt who's determined to join the Legion. He looks more than a little like Matter-Eater Lad in a different outfit. Is there any kind of consensus in Legion fandom about whether it's him or not? Or, if not M-E Lad, who he is?

I'm sure this isn't the first time this has come up.

Too low, but thanks anyway.

A kind soul sent me a big scan though - I wanted it for the Radion pic for his profile here: http://www.legionclubhouse.com/wiki/index.php?title=Radion

Incidentally, if CMK is looking - where did Particon joining the Amazers come from?

It's not. I forget where I first read it though. I'll post it, if I come across it again.

As I recall some sources (WWitLSH maybe?) list this as Tenzil's first appearance.

Basically there was some sort of (excessive) tax on any private club with more than twenty-five members. It actually brings up a lot of issues regarding freedom of association in the thirtieth-century, but they were never really explored.

I read somewhere there was something resembling a Wildstorm Legion. Characters from the Wildstorm universe fought super-powered youths from the future. Is this true and if it is true where did that story appear?

I recently picked up Legion: Science Police #1. I wasn't really impressed by it, and after reading it I can't really tell you what it was all about. But did Saturn Girl really quit the Legion for a while there to join the SPs? If so, when did that happen in the continuity of the main titles?

It happened during the Dark Circle story, which was (IIRC) issues 104-106 of the LSH title, and 63-65 of the Legionnaires title. The United Planets were forced to put Durla under quarantine and the only way Legionnaires could get down there was to visibly "quit" the Legion and make Science Police officers of themselves.

IIRC, not only Saturn Girl, but also Sensor, Invisible Kid and Gates went undercover as Science Police officers.

I've heard this as well but have never had it confirmed. Maybe someone here can do so.

And Gates was so traumatised by the experience, he needed to get Tenzil to eat the uniform before he could sleep.

Thanks, Vee. As an AR fan I'd like to get that "appearance" too, if it's there. And what with the Wildstorm universe being a part of the 52 (as I've heard), another Legion may be there too.

Scans have been posted of it on here before, but I can't find them just now.

It's a Supreme/Kid Supreme thing, from or after Alan Moore's reboot, called (google says) the League of Infinity. They're based on a spiral staircase that runs through time, so that at one point Kid Supreme sees his adult self (Supreme) at a different point.

You're referring to the League of Infinity (I need to post the other stories).

But, there's also the Authority Legion-analogues .

Ah! Thanks, guys. Yeah, I meant the Authority analogues. The League of Infinity and Moore's Supreme was great and loved that title, especially the "retro" art in many issues.

What's in LSHv4 Annual 6? I know it comes right in the middle of the White Triangle story, but is it an important part of that story? The cover suggests it's just a collection of origin stories.

It is. Shvaughn Erin is assigned as Legion Liaison and she decides to look up information about the team which leads into various origins.

I can only remember Kinetix & Leviathon's off the top of my head.

XS, too, I believe.

It's not intrinsic to the ongonig storyline, but it does add some background for each, and also shows Shvaugn's shift from reluctant liaison to Legion supporter.

Thanks. While we're on the subject, what about Legionnaires Annual #2?

that was the culmination of the White Triangle story... a must-read for that era. (and a decent story, as I recall)

The following issue (LSH, I believe... the cover shows an unhappy Rokk in front of statues of Kid Q 1 and others as I recall) follows immediately on the "surprise" ending of the annual, and a couple new plotlines diverge from that issue and the annual both.

Hmp. Thanks. I suddenly find myself in time-sensitive need of all the issues of the White Triangle story, and I'm missing those annuals as well as a few others. I wonder if the comic shops of Greater Toronto can help me...

I forgot we had these loaded up (thanks to Scott) -

Hey, great! Thanks Nightcrawler. I gotta get that (those?) issue.

I think they only appear (to be slaughtered) in the first 5 pages of AUTHORITY #27. Miller says they are thirty super-human teenagers from the 30th Century.

Here's the MileHighComics.com scans of the first 3 pages -









(I need to buy this issue myself...I keep forgetting to look for it.)

I mentioned upthread that I was missing some issues from the White Triangle arc. Can anyone point me at any kind of online resource where I can read more about what happened? No detail too small. Thanks in advance.

The Legion Help File has summaries of all Legion issues through Legion Lost, that should help.

Oh, cool. I should have thought of that! Thanks.

Anyone got a scan of the LSH article from Wizard #59?

what i didnt like about the JLA-JSA-LSH (the orignal) saga was that the legion got treated by such disrespect by the writers...

What did Imra do *before* becoming a Legionnaire? Is it ever mentioned?

Rokk - Magno-ball champion
Garth - Farmer, also a pilot? (Did he ever bulls-eye womprats in his T-16?)
Imra - ?

She was supposed to join the Science Police and was considered a gifted telepath by Titanian standards.

I know this might be more of an RPG question, since the most likely answer source is the DC Heroes RPG. But how strong is inertron as compared to promethium, if that was ever established? I believe that there was a material strength statistic for inertron given in the first LSH module, but I don't have the stats for promethium in that game system (or the main rule book to interpret the numbers given).

Seth, I have all the RPG books but not with me. I only keep my Legion ones on my laptop. If no one else has it by then I'll look it up tonight at home.

Body is the ability to withstand physical damage. The benchmark set for Body (character-wise) at the highest is 28-30+. Which is described as "The body can resist a direct hit from a 100 megaton nuclear weapon." The only characters (in the 3rd edition) capable of withstanding that are the Monitor and Anti-Monitor.

*pointing out that XS melted an inerton flagpole just by grabbing it and spinning around using it*

#59 or #159? I don't think I have #59. That would be, what, from 1995?

Well, it sure wasn't because she's a hot bomb.

#059, from either the last week of April or the first week of May 1996. I know it was written by Matt Brady and that it was focused on the postboot Legion, but not really anything about what the article itself said or how long it was.

And... wait... YOU don't have it? I'm genuinely shocked

Well, I was either off the Legion then or barely getting back in.

Was that the issue that had the preview of the Animated Superman show?

Don't know.

Reboot, I recall the article though no longer have it on-hand to scan. It was mostly a casual recap of postboot history: the founding up until Violet splitting the teams. I think there might have been a paragraph explaining the reason for the reboot and then general hype at the end for the 20th century adventures. Can't recall if there were any extras or sidebars. Hopefully that helped somehow (and if you already knew what it was about then ... nevermind! What's up?)

There was also a Casting Call a few months later. I recall a few of the choices, mostly 90210 & Party of Five actors. It even had casting jobs for "new Legionnaires" Magno and Sandy Infenro.

Not so much "need a reference" as "curious about something" - was preboot Laurel Gand ever referred to as [having been] "Valorgirl" [pre-5YG] in the comics, or is that a fan coinage to go with the costume?

I'm pretty sure she wasn't, beacuse I remember thinking it odd that the young Laurel never received a code name. The closest she got was Tiger Rose, which came later.

Jerry is basicly correct.

LK was not intro'd with a codename, but the wat TMK were writing the book, not spelling everything out and filling in all gaps, that does not mean there was not one.

Hi

I need help
I have some questions:

1- the zero hour reboot: the old legion meet the legionnaires, but they come from a different reality? a new future with young legionnaries? and the old legion?

2-the waid legion is different from the meltzer legion, or not?

main question:
3- how many legion are there?
(original one, legionnaires, waid's one and the most recent legion on the jla pages that are the original one... or not?)

1. Around 1992ish, readers of the preboot older LSH were introduced to the SW6 Legion, who basically appeared as if transported right out of Adventure #350 or thereabouts (just before Ferro Lad's death). Keith Giffen's intention was to make readers wonder which version was the "real" Legion, and which were the clones (Valor had found evidence of Dark Circle plans to clone the LSH, and he wondered how far along they'd gotten, even before the SW6 Legion was known of) (the name SW6 came from the Dominators who controlled Earth at the time; they claimed that they had bred this group). Giffen intended the older Legion to have been the clones, but this was never resolved in his day - instead, the End-of-an-Era explanation was that the Time Trapper had sort of splintered off the young Legion while Glorith wasn't looking and placed them in stasis.

2. Yes (I assume by Metzler you mean the Legion from JSA, JLA and Action), very.

3. "Original" itself is open to dispute: one can call everything 1958-1994 as original, or even just the 1958 Legion, or any combo in between (1958-1970ish, 1958-1980ish, 1958-1985/6, 1958-1990). I myself consider everything Preboot to be Original, and 1992-1994 to be a "two Legions" era within that framework.

Reboot and Threeboot are largely Legions unto themselves (although the Reboot LSH of JSA (prev. series) #51 doesn't quite fit, nor does the Brave& Bold Threeboot LSH quite fit the Threeboot Legion of its own series).

The recent JLA/JSA/Action/Countdown Legion is based on the Preboot Legion, but I think pretty much everyone agrees it deviates enough to be categorized off on its own.

Then there is the Silver Age-style Adult Legion, which appeared a couple years ago in Superman/Batman; a grown-up version of the 60s Legion virtually unchanged. They made a number of 1960s appearances, most notably a two-parter in Adventure (circa #354). In 1984 (LSH #300), they were revealed to be one of many alternate universe Legions, but anything goes in DCU these days. I'll bet we'l lsee them again this year.

There was also the 1989-1995ish L.E.G.I.O.N. (which I don't consider to really be Legion, but others do), a late 20th century security force for hire tangentally tied to Legionnaires or some of their ancestors/relations.

We also had alt-reality Legions: Superboy's Legion (presumably the same one used in Another Nail), the Legion of Galactic Guardians of 2099 from the Amalgam universe, the Elseworld legions from the 1994? annuals, Marvel's Imperial Guard, A cross-temporal team whose name I can't recall in Alan Moore's Supreme, a Wildstorm Legion of sorts. There have been several outright parodies as well, and probably been other alt versinos too.

Hope that helps.

THANKS

Yes I call original all the legion before the Legionnaires' comics...
But clones or not clones, they had an history, orignins ecc, so who cloned them, cloned a whole life/universe... or not?

The stasis of the old legion could be ended with the Jsa-jòla legion? I haven't already read this saga... ^-^

Legionnaires was both pre- and postboot... let's break it down:

Preboot/Preboot-style (1958-1994, 2006-)

Adventure Comics #247 (1958) - originally original, absolutment.
Adventure Comics #247 to Crisis on Infinite Earths (1958-1985/6) - pretty much everyone calls this the "original". After this it starts to fragment a bit.

Crisis on Infinite Earths to LSH v4 #4 (1986-1990) - arguably original. Continues from the "pre-Crisis" team, but with some significant changes ("retcons").
LSH v4 #6 to LSH v4 #61 AND Legionnaires #1-18 (1990-1994) - More changes, but still continued from 1958-1990. Within this, there was a duplicate "young" team running about for a while, some of the new costumes and codenames of which were reused...

Lightning Saga/Superman & LSH (2007-present) - Billed as a continuation of the 1958-1985/6 team. Does not include the 1986-1994 material or any of the other material which wasn't billed as continuations.

Postboot/Reboot/Post-Zero Hour (1994-2004):

Zero issues, LSH v4 #62-125, Legionnaires #19-81, Legion Lost, The Legion #1-38 (1994-2004). New version of the team, not including any of the above (although it reused certain costumes and codenames - though not all - from the earlier issues of Legionnaires, there's no internal connection).

Threeboot (2004-)

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Good summary, Reboot.

By 1992, we had the two Legion, one young Teens), one old (30s). Much of their origins took place off-camera so to speak; we only have snippets and intepretations based upon clues; only End of an Era attempts to put some sort of order on that. But End of an Era's explanation was not the creators' intent, and it was only the (or a) Time Trapper's version of events, so for the moment let's ignore it.

If one Legion was cloned, we don't know who. Valor (Mon-El) found evidence the Dark Circle was planning to clone the Legion, but didn't know if they succeeded. The Dominators implied that the young Legion was their creation (or at least their property). Later evidence suggested that the Dominators *found* the young Legion, but was not responsible for thier creation; this throws the likelihood back to the Dark Circle, who were master cloners in the first place.

The Dark Circle as cloners works regardless of whether the young or old Legion were the clones - as long as one accepts the longtime assumption that clones can be artificially aged to replicate their originals (if one takes a more realistic version, that clones are merely an artificial identical twin who will age normally from their date of creation, then the younger Legionnaires would have to be the clones).

If one posits clones, one set of Legionnaires (whether the real of fake ones) were put into suspended animation (thus they did not age) underneath Metropolis. Alternately, if the cloned Legion aged naturally from embryo to teen, then these were not suspended animation chambers but more of a Matrix-movie-like cell; the bodies were nourished while the minds were implanted with the memories of their originals.

Either way, the Legion that would become the young Legion did not experience any of the events between Adventure #352 and Legion volume 4 #19 (when the moon was destroyed, setting into motion the events that would free them), but they had the memories of the earlier Adventure era (whether or not they participated).

Thus, under the clone situation, only the pre-Shaw Lass legionnaires were cloned; not the entire universe.

The time fluctuations just before End of an Era shifted things slightly, I won't go into them unless you want me to.

The version of the Time Trapper in End of an Era claimed that both Legions were real; neither was a clone. It's hard to swollow, especially given all the other things that and other trapers claimed. If so, that suggests he either duplicated all the young Legionnaires, or created a splintered timeline of some sort; only in this interpretation of events could one speculate that an entire universe was duplicated.

I myself would suggest that the Trapper, who was claiming to have duplicated the Legion while Glorith was distracted, would/could not have created an entire universe. I would tewnd to believe it would have been far easier for him to hide the Dark Circle's cloning efforts (given that he was just coming back into existence after being annihiliated) and later take credit for them; simplicity suggests that the young Legion were the clones after all (even if Giffen intended otherwise).

But anyone else who has read those issues is free to argue an alternate interpretation.

I know Dream Girl was part of the recent Lightning Saga in JLA but is she appearing in the Superman & LSH Legion stories too?

No, it was mentioned that she's offstage on Naltor during that story.

Thanks Matthew E for the info!

I was just checking out your Legion Abstract website. Great site!

I am a new Legion fan and I have now become a Dreamer/Dream Girl fan. I am trying to find a list of her appearances. I have picked up some of "The Legion" series and I really like that series especially the art. Do you know where I can find a list of all the appearances of Dreamer in that series?

I know she appeared in a bunch of "Legionnaires" issues but the art in the few that I have is sooooooooooooooooo awful.....Dreamer looks like a steriod wrestler so I am skipping those issues.

I don't know of a listing. She appeared in the Xanthu issue of Legion Worlds, and maybe once or twice in the first ten issues of The Legion, only really reappearing once the Robotica storyline got going. I know she was a big player in the 'Dream Crime' arc, and again in the 'For No Better Reason' arc that ended the series, but I'd have to go through the issues one by one to get more specific than that.

And thanks for the kind words.

i dint know if any one has it but a while ago online i found a anti drug cover with lyrl dox a green lantern and virl dox any one know what that is? or if they have the pic

that was from the L.E.G.I.O.N. Elsewolrds annual (1994, I think).

It was an interior page spoofing the GL/GA reprint cover of the 80s (the original was actually an interior panel without GL the 1st time around).

During the 5 year later Legion run there was a list of possible codenames being put together by Jacques/Invisble Kid i believe, what issue was that in.

Thanks in advance!

LSH (TMK Series) # 43.

Can anyone figure out - real quick, if possible - which 5YL issue it was that had Luornu kissing Valor and, in mock-retaliation, Chuck sweeps Shady off her feet and offers to run off with her? Thanks in advance.

Is this the scene Matthew?



Issue #18, page 9

That's it! Thanks very much.

I love that scene

I'm working on a fiction story and need some background help.

Does anyone know what planet Dr. Gym'll is from?

Does anyone know Immorto/Re-Animage's real name?

According to the 2995 Sourcebook, Gym'll is from Jaquaa. This is the only mention I've found for his home world.

As for Re-Animage, his listing in the Legion's Who's Who says real name and planet of origin are unknown.

If you need any further help, you should post to the Legion Reference thread . That way your request will most likely be answered before it is lost with other posts.

Thanks for pointing me here Lightning Lad.

Anyone have any reference on Immorto/Re-Animage either in canon or fanfic that reveals his true name? I'm working on a story with him and would like to call him something other than a codename.

Another request, does anyone have a scan of the Brainiac 5 sleepwear that he wore in SLSH #204 when he was sleep-walking to create the Supergirl robot?

Here you go:

One website refers to Immorto/Reanimage as "Lazarus," but more of a preferred alt codename than a real name. http://www.collectortimes.com/2005_09/License.html
Other than that, I've found no other references.

Klordnyites helping Klordnyites!

It warms the spleen.

Thanks Fat Cramer. That's exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks to you too Kent Shakespeare. That's what I used on my own for a name in the fiction that's on its way to Klordny right now.

Does anyone have an image of the full wrap around Starlin cover to Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #238?

Thanks !!

Hey Legion Worlders! I'm desperately in need of a Legion reference, and hope you can help.

Here's the scenario:

If you were going to start a comics review blog, and blogger won't let you title it "Shanghalla" because you've already created and deleted a blog with that name, what would you call your blog? Keep in mind, we're looking for a name that it might be possible to register as a .com eventually, so it should work as more than merely legionreference.blogspot.com

WebersWorld? BrandeIndustries?

"Nasshead" appears to be available

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Ah, perfect ! Thanks, LL. You're the best.

Anytime Jerry.

How about...

247Zone
Flight Ring
Sprock!

those are 3 seperate suggestions, in case it's not obvious.

i need a aw inspireing pic of chameleon boy
it can be any one of his costumes

I know that I don't have any , However does anyone have any graet resolution pics of Imra in her bikini suit, some shots of Kal as superboy with the legion. I'm also looking out for some good Ayla pics, 3boot, reboot and pre boot. Oh! before I forget same applies to Luornu. Yes I see the irony of asking for three versions of a carggite xD!

Need reference and info.

Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid all first appeared in LOSH #272? Nightwind was a Cockrum character originally right?

And originally Crystal Kid was blue?

I have LOSH # 272 but if anyone has any other pics of early versions of Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid please share.

thanks

If anyone's got it I could use some good shots of Triplicate girl alla the three boot. Reboot Triad and Dou Damsel with that spiffy split suit that she had purple one half orange the other.

Please check this out .

Blog suggestions:

Interplanetary Bank
Titanet (From "Dream Crimes")
Starfinger

Klordny!

Klordny might cause confusion with the APA of the same name, which does have a web presence as well.

Anyone have a link to a higher res version of this Phil Jimenez reboot Legion piece that I could use for wallpaper?

Am I right that the SoM credited in the Wikipedia entry I found it in is our very own poster, Reboot?

Crapville, Tennessee!!! I'm having a total brain hemmorhage and need to know the name of the artist that followed Lightle on the BAXTER issues, the one that drew the WHO IS SENSOR GIRL and also had a run on the FLASH?

Greg Laroque?

THANK you!!!!

Any time.

My new artist poll also thanks you! (hint to go vote)

Ive been getting into the Legion world alot lately, and I happen to really be interested in all their various technologies. I was just wondering if anyone could explain the Concentrator, or have images of it in use? I read it in a description once, I found it uniquely interesting, but cannot get my hands on the comics. Thanks in advance

Yeah, 'twas me. I quit Wikipedia quite a while back now (based on the rate at which bot-warnings pile up on my old talk page, I'm shocked any images I uploaded are left. EDIT: Ah, inevitably, around the time you posted that, they seem to have shrunkled it and deleted the version I uploaded)

I might have a higher-res version somewhere - I've probably got the original 1024-wide version I uploaded at least - but I'll have to check. What res. are you using?

It only appeared in one comic issue, Adventure # 321.

Really? I have your Legion file (at least...I think you were the one that wrote it) and looked it up, it said it was in three issues, I just could not get my hands on them.

I think the other two issues mentioned in Chaim's Legion Reference File refer to two other times that the tale alludes to the Concentrator story but it's probably only actually shown in the Adventure issue.

As Vee said - it was mentioned in the other places, only shown in ADV 321.

And to be complete -

My computer's specs list 1440 by 900 pixels as its highest res quality, 'Boot. I suck at understanding techspeack, so I hope that helps!

It does if that's what you're using, as opposed to what you can use.

Yeah, 'Boot, that what I'm using.

I guess I stand corrected, it was depicted in more than just the one issue.

Lard: http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002683&p=3#000039

See also the Moy & Batista wallpapers I posted earlier in the thread.

Question: Is there a list of ALL LSH pencillers available somewhere?

If not, can someone help with a memory-jog...

Is JASON ARMSTRONG the name of the cartoony-style artist who took over with (reboot era) LSH # 100? I think it is, I always enjoyed his 'toony take.

The artist who did a couple of DnA issues post-Coipel, featuring T-Wolf vs. the Fatal 5, had a kewl kinda Mignolia-esque style? HIs name?

I am kicking my own ass for forgetting the name of the artist that took over LSH after Immonen's #0 issue... he also drew STARS and S.T.R.I.P.E?

thanks in advance.

1) Yes
2) Kev Walker

and

3) Lee Moder.

Thanks, Povvins...

Does anyone have a big, full-body shot of the Triplicate Girls together? I accept any era except the Duo Damsel/Una one. Thanks!

Does anybody have a reference to the origin of the Legion. Im looking for the most complete and detailed telling of the original Legion. I won't be able to pick up the comic so I am actually looking for a good written version here on the internet.

What about the cover to issue #3 of the current run? Full body enough?

Heh, and it was staring in front of me... thanks. Judging from the cover, I'd say they're the Triplicate Clones. Not to be confused with the Triplicate Girls.


And for a complete origin of... the '60s Legion? Cockrum? '80s? Let me hash it out...

- Secrets of the Legion #1... though the art makes them look about twenty already...

- Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes. Snippets of its origin and a summary of the earlier years.

- LSH #0 - If there's an universal origin for any era of the Legion, this is the closest.

If you want text instead... there's always the Legion Wiki Timeline .

Hey, quick question: Has Mano ever had a real name? I've look in the resources I've got, and none of them list one...

Nope, Mano is the only name he's ever been given.

...but it was really Janos Prohaska under that dark hood (the real one, not Chaykin's Blackhawk).

j/k

Do Athramites have names? Do they have a group consciousness? I don't recall ever seeing one acting in what I would call an independent manner...

I don't believe they ever had names.

I never saw it as group consciousness; I just saw them as a swarm of like-minded, similar to a sport' team's fans, political junkies or numerous others when that particular shared interest/occupation is in full swing.

Like Queer Eye For the Super-Guy... of SPACE!

I am looking for a comprehensive listing and descriptions of the various races/species throughout the Legion comics. Anyone have a good source of information I can use?

Chaim's "Legion Help File" has a great deal of information about the Legion's universe, including planets and peoples. It also list every Legion appearance preboot & reboot through Legion Lost #12 and it's easily searchable.

I'm pretty sure there is a link to it from the drop down menu on the front page here at LW. You'll need to download it since there is no online version.

Regretfully the Legion help file won't download on my computer and when I try it flashes the screen over and over and the only way I can get it to stop is by shutting it off. Apparently it is not compatible with Vista or some program (or lack of program) on my computer.

Anyone have any suggestions?

What is Princess Projectra's real name?

Original-recipe Jeckie is just 'Projectra of Orando', as far as I know. Sensor in the reboot is 'Jeka Wynzorr', and in the threeboot she's 'Princess Wilimena Morgana Daergina Annaxandra Projectra Velorya Vauxhall of Orando'. That's right, her family's named after a car.

Didn't she have the last name Wind'zzor (or some varaiation thereof) originally?

Several sites on the web (including the "Legion Help File") make reference to the fact that the original Kid Quantum, the TMK "Soul of Antares" version, was taken in by a couple named Niles and Esther Cullen. Unless I've overlooked it, however, I cannot find a reference to these names, either in the comics themselves or in the 2995 Sourcebook.

Does anyone know from whence the names of James Cullen's parents originated?

Thanks in advance for any help.

I don't believe so.

Nobody on this one? I know it's a toughie.

Where is a Chaim Keller, when I need one?

I made it up.

I made up a lot of stuff in there to fill in blanks. As long as it didn't contradict anything actually published (the exception being my re-interpretation of the Time Trapper/Pocket Universe/Superbiy thing) I felt I was allowed.

I think that's valid, Chaim, but at the same time, a lot of LSH fans are detail-oriented. Maybe when time allows you can highlight/italicize your creations so as to clarify what is "canon" and what is your own masterful interpretation.

Whoa. My entire world-view is blown.

Just kidding, but thanks for 'fessing up. I've been putting together a "first appearance" index, and that one was driving me batty trying to track it down.

Sorry. I think I pretty much annotated everything that comes from a real issue.

You see, I didn't really set out to make a comprehensive Legion reference at first. I just wanted to write some coherent narrative that made sense of the Valor/Superboy/Glorith/Time Trapper mess - and I figured hypertext would be a great medium. Before I knew it, I had hypertext entries on half the Legion, all of the prominent villains, and a dozen worlds, and it came to be what it is now...but it stayed true to its roots of making sense of a fragmented history. Like, for example, to make sense of the fact that Kid Quantum was never really a humanoid being, but somehow a group with the powers and resources of the Legion accepted him as a Xanthusian named James Cullen. Another example is my entry on "Black Dawn", an event alluded to many times in the TMK era, but never fully described.

Of course, if some later issue were to contradict what I wrote (impossible in that case, though, as I hadn't formally published it until after Zero Hour), I would have amended my entry to fit the "correct history".

On the topic of Legion parents:

Does anyone know of an earlier reference to the names "Luc and Perla Ranzz," than a v.4 text piece?

It just strikes me as odd that the parents of two of the most core Legionnaires should go unnamed for so long. (Then again, preboot, I don't think Saturn Girl's ever were named.)

Thanks in advance for any info.

According to the Cosmic Teams web page, "The names of Ayla and Garth's parents were not revealed until Who's Who #9 (5.91)."

I made up a lot of stuff in there to fill in blanks. As long as it didn't contradict anything actually published (the exception being my re-interpretation of the Time Trapper/Pocket Universe/Superbiy thing) I felt I was allowed.

Which is why, despite it being a tremendously great piece of work, I can't use it. Even my memory fails from time to time, and I can't trust that something I read in your file is something I actually read in the comics.

It's an early version of what we're trying to do with the Legion Wiki, and I would have asked long ago to use what's written in there for the wiki, but I don't know where the material came from, you or the comics. And as much as it pains me to say it, your rewriting and reinterpretation of events is essentially fanfic. (I hold most of the Who's Who in the LSH to be nearly fanfic, since many of the entries were created specifically for that series and never appeared anywhere else, but the names and backstories have become accepted as canon anyway.)

And it always bugged me that you deliberately leave out the v1 reprint series, and renumbered the other series, so that (for example) the Baxter series is called v2 and the Giffen/Bierbaum series is called v3, in the face of convention. But that's just me.

And now for something completely different... can someone with access to The Legion #29 please scan and post the full-page splash where "young" Darkseid meets old pock-marked Darkseid, with the Legion and Darkseid's demons in the background? I think it's page 4. I bought that page from Chris Batista in San Diego and my collection is hopelessly mismanaged to the point where I can't find anything.

Holy crap that page looks awesome even in color. I'll get mine scanned in for comparison.

The original art has no captions, I guess they were added by computer.

Thanks, Cramer!

Hmmm, I think I must have had the earliest reference then, because I can beat that by a month.

In a text piece in v.4 #17 (cover dated 4.91), there is a reference to Char Burrane Jr. being held in the "Luc and Perla Ranzz" wing of Quarantine.

Saw this

here

Keith Giffin Wiki

??? It's not refering to Interlac is it?

??? It's not refering to Interlac is it?

It is now. I fixed it.

My concern was the word "created" but the boldface didn't show up well in yellow. Anyhow, I see you fixed that too.

Has anyone got scans of the designs Jason Armstrong did for the 3boot before he was on the book?
There's like a few pages of black and white pencil stuff with all notes and whatnot.
I may or may not have asked this previously. The drink has made my memory fuzzy.

This is going to sound insane coming from someone who did the anal-retentive work of compiling the thing and attempted to reconcile occasionally contradictory stories into a coherent whole:

DUDE, IT'S ALL FICTION.

Naturally, you're welcome to use or not use whatever you want. But what context of usage are we talking about here? Are you being paid for Legion information and thereby be cheating your customers if it's not 100% accurate and sourced? Are you participating in a Legion trivia contest for cash prizes? So what if "Niles and Esther Cullen adopting the Soul of Antares as part of its disguise" isn't in the books? It does not contradict anything (is your quizmaster going to try and trick you by asking the names of Kid Quantum's adoopted parents, expecting the answer to be "unknown"?) but it makes for a cleaner, smoother (I'd say better, but that could just be my own conceit) overall story. Who can't use that?

As for the volume numbers - in retrospect, I regret that. I guess I didn't realize just how important the reprint series was to people in terms of numbering. I knew it existed, but it never contained any original material, so I didn't think people ever had that in mind if they referred to the first, second or third (or fourth, and now fifth, although the file doesn't go that far) Legion series. I sure know I didn't back then.

So Who wants to be a pal and help me find Reflecto Pics and some Rond Vidar Green lantern images?

Here's one of Rond:


Reflecto on the covers of Adventure 354, LSHv2 277, and LSHv2 278
http://comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=20776&zoom=4
http://comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=35462&zoom=4
http://comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=35537&zoom=4

Thanks Klordny, the results of my asking are posted up in my shiny spiffy graphics thread.

So I hate double posting but I'm in need of a favor if anyone can help. I'm looking for pics of various versions of Time Bubbles. I've got a great idea for something, but I'm going to need some help. If anyone can help that'd be most appreciated.

Here are the time bubble and time cube .

There was also one Rond Vidar had in the postboot but I'll have to hunt around for it. I don't recall if it was an actual bubble or a machine that sent people hurtling through the timestream.

Are you talking about Brainy's Time Platform? It was meant to just send people and not go itself (Lori's sabotage that time caused various problems, leading to her taking the platform itself, but it was destroyed or lost in the return of Team 30 to the 30th century. B5 made a new one later to send Kyle GL back to the present, and had yet another one on Legion World).

I guess that's it. I sort of remember some story with Rond and Lori using it (or discussing using it) and had thought that it was Rond's invention - and didn't look up the issue.

There's been some discussion on the CBR forums about Lightning Lad and whether he can travel at 1/3 the speed of light. Apparently it was established in some comic book or other that he can. Anybody know anything about this?

Don't ever recall Lightning Lad claiming super-speed.

Yeah, same here, I don't ever remember that one at all.

I have a few questions/references, that need to be answered. When I first heard of the Legion. I was 7. My freind kept going on about how Mon-el and Ultra-Boy were stronger than Super-boy. In fact he said that there was a fight where Mon-el acually broke 3 of Super-boy's ribs and both arms.

1. Are Mon-el and Ultra-boy stronger?
2. Did the breaking of bones happen?

He would often say that Super-boy was third strongest. Is this true?

I don't know about any broken bones. Someone else will have to answer that.

As far as I know, Mon-el and Superboy are pretty equal in the strength department. Mon-el might have a slight advantage being older.

I would put Ultra Boy third in strength only because he can only use one power at a time and I would say that invulnerability helps when it comes to super-strength.

If your friend was also 7 (or there abouts) I think he might have been confusing Ultra Boy's Ultra Strength with his Penetra-Vision. The Penetra-Vison was said to be better than Superboy's because it allowed Ultra Boy to see through lead.

I would say that Superboy and Mon-el are of the same physical strength, at least that is the way I have always envisioned them. Ultra Boy I rate slightly lower then the other two. Supergirl was once asked who was stronger, her or Superboy (in an Adventure comic long ago). She stated that Superboy was stronger simply because men are stronger than women. Keep in mind that this was also in the 1960's when there were greater barriers between genders as well.

In regards to Invulnerability, I would give all of the above the same rating, though Ultra Boy perhaps a bit lower.

In regards to fighting ability, I want to rate Mon-el a bit higher simply because he spent what a 1,000 years? in the Phantom zone. To my understanding this was a less than friendly place and I would supect he had more opportunities to hone his fighting skills when compared to Superboy or Ultra Boy.

Can anyone give me some facts on the Legion of Super-villains, specifically Cosmic King.

What is the origin of Cosmic King and exactly is his power? Is it identical to Element Lads?

How about a really good picture of him as well.

As I recall, Cosmic King was from Venus. An accident gave him powers of transmutation, but, as Venusians considered transmutation evil, he was banished. Embittered, he joined the LSV.

He was only seen in the Adult LSV tales. He never (to my knowledge) appeared in the teen Legion stories.

Any specifics on his accident or was this never covered? Do the Legion of Super Villains only appear in the adult Legion stories? How are we to tell which are the adult Legion stories and which are not? In a few cases its easy because they make it known, married, children, Superman, etc. are shown.

In Adventure comics #372 they introduce the Legion of Super Villains, Colossal Boy gets expelled from the Legion (this story is reprinted in hardcover archives vol. 8, page 118). So does this mean that story happened to adults? I tis getting confused.

There have been many versions of the LSV. Sometimes they were adults interacting with Superman or the adult Legionnaires (like SUPERMAN #147 and ADVENTURE COMICS #354-355), sometimes they were adults interacting with the teen Legionnaires (like ADVENTURE #331), and sometimes they were younger and interacted with the younger Legion (like LSH v3 #1-5). They are all considered different versions from alternate timelines.

Hope that's clear.

And to make things more confusing for you, the LSV that we saw in ADVENTURE #372 was the first "real" appearance of the LSV in the Legion's regular timeline, even though we had seen the Adult LSV several times in the past. Cosmic King and Saturn Queen weren't LSV members in this timeline.

The young Cosmic King made his first appearance in LSH v3 #1-5. His story was never really covered in the comics, but he was given an origin story in "Who's Who" which is pretty much what He Who Wanders says. Here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_King

Saturn Queen never joined the "young" LSV, but she did appear in the v4-era book and married Matter-Eater Lad (long story).

Here's a pretty good, concise history of the LSV in all its incarnations:
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/cosmic/lsv.htm

Well, I understand that they have all of these versions which were pretty much decided many years after the stories were written. Ok, so the Adventure comic #372 was the LSV with the preboot teenager Legion right?

cosmic king, saturn queen, and lightning lord were also a part of a superman/batman arc called absolute power. cosmic king's powers had switched from element powers to that of cosmic boy's.

i never got why cosmic king has different powers than cosmic boy, it destroys my sense of order!

Yes, that's right. The "adult" LSV was never really mentioned again after the few Adventure issues, except for an appearance in LSH v2 #300 that showed they were from an alternate timeline.

The LSV in "mainstream" pre-Zero Hour continuity is considered to have started in Adventure #372 with the team founded by Tarik the Mute.

Excellent thank you for the clarification. I agree with you Very Very, it does seem odd that Cosmic King's powers didn't mirror Cosmic Boy's when the character was created.

Can someone please help me with when every made-up 30th century expletive was first used?

Grife! What a florgin' tough job that squadgin' thing is going to be.

I want to say that while "Grife," "Nass," and "Bloody Liberty," were early v.4 additions, "Sprock" was first used by Levitz.

Certainly, "Rad Burn You," was something that Levitz-era Science Police were always saying (I always took it to mean "may you receive a painful radiation burn".)

Without looking at the issues, I'm fairly certain that "Florg" was first used in the first Shooter-penned issue of the 3-boot.

Don't forget that initially Cosmic Boy had "magnetic eyes". And Cosmic King transmutation power was in his eyes. So initially both their powers were "eyes that did something".

The cuss word "squadge" (or "squaj") came from the creative team always mispronouncing "Espionage Squad", it kept coming out "Espionage Squadge".

any one have a pic of super boy in the costume with the red stripe down the center

Is this the one you're looking for?

No, he means the Alex Ross suit.

This tiny pic is the only pic of him actually wearing it in comic. There's a B&W sketch here and Triad gives the real Superboy the costume in Superboy v3 #45, but he never actually wears it in any core continuity.

Ahh, I remember it now.

Where is it revealed that Blockade Boy was the original clubhouse?

Also, and I hope this isn't too far off-topic,

For someone who actually wanted to try to do their own Legion Micros, where do you get the templates?

I thought it was Fortress Lad where he was used his power to become a Fortress and lost his memory, no thanks to Mnemonic Kid...I think it was one of the Annuals (Legionnaires Annual?) cna't remmy.

Now where is that from? in what book? I want to see that cool costume! Nice black and red...so cool

Yeah you're right Supes, it was Fortress Lad, Not BB. I've just heard about it not seen it, so it was a slip of the keyboard.
Does anyone know a specific annual number?

SECRET ORIGINS #46 (Dec 1989) was the first appearance of Arm-Fall-Off Boy, Mnemonic Kid, and Fortress Lad.

Its from "Legion Secret Files 3003." Superboy (Kon-El) is sparring with Karate Kid. There are a few more shots of him in the black & red suit during the scene, but to my knowledge he never wore the suit after that issue. I thought it was kinda cool looking, too.

I'm looking for a picture of Invisible Kid (Lyle Norg) Adventure Comics/Superboy starring the Legion of Super-Heroes version being shown using his power. I'm looking for some good quality art. Anybody suggest a issue for me or know of a good picture?

Here's quite a nice picture of Lyle from the Encyclopedia Galactica forum right here on this board (though, admittedly, he's only using his power in the sub-pics):

http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000045;p=3#000031

Some issues which spotlight Lyle's power that come to mind . . .

Adventure Comics # 307, 343, 345, 348*, and 358.

Superboy # 203.

I'm sure there are many others.

*# 348 has a nice cover shot of Lyle being partially invisible. Here's a link .

Who was the first Preseident of Earth who is mentioned by name in Adventure Comics? Anyone know what issue?

It might be Kandru Boltax, from Adventure #359-#360.

Ok, that takes us to 1967. This would be a good start for my campaign. Do we have anything sooner just out of curosity? When did they first indicate that Earth had a President? Was Kandro Boltax around for quite a while or did DC keep changing this name/position?

Boltax was President of Earth pretty consistently until he stole R. J. Brande's fortune and was replaced by Marte Allon. Occasionally they'd misspell it as "Kandro" or refer to him as "President Kandru" implying that's his last name (or that his culture has surnames first, like in many Oriental cultures), but it's pretty obviously the same guy.

We know that Boltax had a predecessor, whose name we never found out. He was killed by Universo (in what appeared to be an accident), and then Universo (disguised as Boltax) took over the UP Presidency and outlawed the Legionnaires.

Per the timeline as established by the LSH v4 Sourcebook, here's the known list of Presidents:

* ??? ???? - Jul 2978: name unknown (assassinated in office by Universo)
* Jul 2978 - Oct 2983: Kandru Boltax
* Oct 2983 - Nov 2985: Marte Allon
* Nov 2985 - Nov 2989: Mojai Desai
* Nov 2989 - Apr 2995: Tayla Wellington (re-elected 2991; assassinated in office by Dominators)
* Apr 2995 - May 2995: none
* May 2995 - Jun 2995: Jacques Foccart (appointed after Earth's liberation; resigned)
* Jun 2995 - Sep 2995: Troy Stewart (in office at Zero Hour)

Not all that long ago, I recall folks discussing how Duo Damsel lost yet another life over some rat attack (or something like that). Can someone tell me what comic title and issue this was in (month and year). I thought it was either the Lightning Saga or Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes but I have read both of those and don't recall it happening. So where did this alleged rat attack take place?

It was in Countdown (not sure of the issue number, but it was near the end)

Ok that explains things. When I got back into comics I told myself I wanted to only buy Legion and Legion related titles. I passed on the whole crisis countdown series thing because I had just gotten back into things and thought any Legion appearance would be minimal at best. That and I haven't really put the big picture together with what has happend with Legion since about 1980. You know, in regards to different titles, the first crises (how many crisis series have there been anyway?) reboots, etc. People have tried to explain it to me but having started so late in the game its hard to understand all the rules.

Superboy and Mon-el can fly fast enough to break the time barrier. My understanding is that it is assumed that you need to travel faster than the speed of light to accomplish this.

Were Ultra Boy or Wildfire ever shown to be capable of breaking the time barrier based on their own flight capability?

It's specifically stated in the Jeckie/Val wedding issue that Ultra Boy cannot break the time barrier by himself. It has something to do with his lack of ability to be invulnerable at the time he's using his super-speed.

I didn't think of that, it makes perfect sense that he would need to be invulnerable at the same time. Thanks so much for the reply. Do you think he could fly fast enough though if he was invulnerable? Also in the DC universe do they equate teh ability to break the time barrier with flying faster than the speed of light?

Well, with The Flash (Barry Allen) it was going faster than the speed of light and adjusting your vibrations.

Before 1985, it was largely a matter of being able to travel fast enough; many people seemed to do it (even Dawnstar sort-of did in DC Comics Presents 17, but this seems to have been an isolated instance).

Since 1985, it isn't just speed; Pocket-Universe Superboy could but Superman couldn't, and even the Flashes had more problems in time travelling, even with their Cosmic Treadmill.

Basically, in the mid-80s DC realized time travel was too easy, and shouldn't be as taken for granted as it had become.

It would seem odd for Jo to have that power on his own, at least in a controllable fashion. But we did see Jo time-travel twice in an involuntary (or partially voluntary) fashion: During the Reflecto saga (v.2 277-283) and in his Egyptian exile (v.4, spread out between 10 and 20).

In the first case, he survived an energy attack and was thought dead but was actually immaterial, invisible and undetectable; in a panic he thought Superboy could help and found he could propel himself back in time to him, something he could not do (or never tried) as a solid person.

In the second case, the weapon that shot him was a temporal weapon that sent him back in time 5,000 years, but deposited him on Khundia, far, far from the place he was shot (Winath). So there Jo was able to withstand time travel across space, a presumably harsher condition than time travelling without leaving the same environment (a consideration most CB writers ignore anyway).

Ok, do the Legion comics take place in the Milky Way galaxy as a whole or do the characters travel from one galaxy to the other in their ships or with Superboy flying through space? Just from reading the comics this is not clear to me.

What is the limit in size to the DC universe (in regards to where the storylines take place. I have a map from DC games which seems to indicate that the Khundish empire, The Dominion, The Dark Circle, and UP Space are all part of the Milky Way Galaxy. Does anyone know if this is true. The map is rather poor and provides no scale in miles or light years so it is tough to get much out of it. The only thing I really get is the location of planets in comparison to one another, but again no scale.

Anyone have a good DC map? Anyone know if the above empires are all in the Milky Way?

I think I've seen the map you're thinking of. I don't know if there's a better one.

The Legion is generally limited to our galaxy. Green Lanterns, whereas, range across the universe (though the writers' conception of the spatial universe makes no sense).

I think it was said Mon-EL was stronger because he had all his weaknesses gone. He had his Serum to protect him from lead and he wasn't vunerable to Kryptonite. That's why he was "stronger".

Yea, I think it's time to make my own on the computer. I'll end up making a lot of my own calls as to what is where, distance between worlds, that sort of thing.

For what it's worth, I believe the Khunds were originally described as being "from a distant galaxy", but more recent depictions have tended to move them much closer to Earth.

Do we have a list of EVERY Legion series and mini-series somewhere? I know we have the recent compliled list offered by one of the fans, but I'm talking about a title list we could take to the store and use as a shopping guide. I'm sure there are tons of titles and spin offs people like myself are unware of and therefore don't go to that section of the comic archive files. If no such list is available I think we should have a sticky thread for such a list. This type of list would be invaluable for those who are "getting into the hobby" either for the first time or from a leave of absence. This type of list should include:

The title
The month and years that it ran
The issue numbers
Also what "Legion" it is tied to....original, reboot, etc.

There's the Legion Checklist over in the Encyclopedia Galactica section of this site. Currently, it's only updated to 1976, however.

Sounds like it's really outdated, I'd expect most of the mini-series came in the 1990's as well as the 80's and 90's seeing the majority of the title changes. What can we do to update it?

http://www.legionclubhouse.com/wiki/index.php?title=Legion_Publication_History

Be better linking to http://www.legionwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Legion_Publication_History - images (mostly covers in this instance) uploaded in the past ten months or so won't show up on the legionclubhouse/wiki link.

Does anyone know of any Legion-related pumpkin stencils?

Two questions. Probably stupid but I've been searching for hours on the boards and can't find an answer, although I'm sure it's there but I am running out of stamina.

1.) TMK Legion. What does TMK stand for. I think I know all the other abbreviations but I can't figure this one out.

2.) In the Legion of Three Worlds (Lo3W--see I know some abbreviations) they refer to the 3 legions having met before. From what I understand this is in reference to something that hasn't been published. Am I correct or is there another story this refers to. The closest I could find was a story in the reboot era from LoSH #105 and Legionnaires #61-62, but I don't think that holds up with the 3-boot. (Don't have access to those issues at the moment to read and double check.)

Thank you for any help.

1) Tom and Mary Bierbaum & Keith Giffen - the creative team behind that era of the the Legion.

2) A later-corrected panel from Lighting Saga provided a glimpse at the never-before published story -

That panel is awesome. I'm going to color it in photoshop! Thanks for the TMK. I just assumed it was some other era separate from the 5YL stuff. It was so obvious I couldn't see it.

Interesting panel. The Legionnaires look very juvenile in that image. Not even adolescent.

I'm chalking that up to artistic license. You can tell by the costumes when things are supposed to happen - Silver Age Lightning Lad has his robot arm, and the reboot Brainy has Koko on his shoulder, dating those two teams. And based on how they look vs how we know they looked, one could extrapolate that the threeboot Legionnaires have been similarly artistically de-aged.

I have a question that no one seems to be answering on the DC Boards. Can someone please tell me what happened to Aria Campbell, Gemini, or whatever name you'd like to use after the Timber Wolf miniseries?

Nothing. She was presumably living with Brin until he was pulled back to the 30th century during the Jamm adventure, but she was never mentioned again.

So that means she's probably still in the 21st Century? I smell potential. Thanks for clearing that up.

Can you post the color version here? That would be most appreciated!

Well, I usually differentiate 5YG/5YL from TMK because TMK considers just Legion of Super-Heroes v4 #1 to #38 (or #39). Whatever came after that is technically still 5YL, but hardly on the same level of TMK's era. In fact, I think it's almost a retcon, since characters suddenly became two-dimentional and dumb.

As someone who missed Legion Lost, and The Legion, I have a couple of questions.

1. What would you guys recommend I go back and try to collect? Either one? Neither?

2. I read something on a board about Mekt/ Lightning Lord reforming--when did this happen?
Thanks!

1. Everything DnA wrote for the Legion, beginning with the 'Legion of the Damned' arc in LSHv4 and Legionnaires, including Legion Lost and Legion Worlds and The Legion at least up until... what... maybe around #15 or so. It's still good after that, but on a lower level. DnA's last two issues (#31 and #32?) also give some nice closure to their run. The five issues of The Legion after that were fill-ins, but very good fill-ins; the four-issue Gail Simone arc that ended that series is one of my favourite Legion stories.

2. He reformed several times, actually: in the Five Years Later era he was at peace with himself and living happily with his boyfriend on Winath. In the reboot he reformed and also moved back to Winath, but was still a bit unstable. Never crossed back over the line, though. And in the animated series he quit Imperiex's service to save Ayla's life, and then turned himself in to the cops.

Legion Lost is certainly worth checking out. Coipel's art took some getting used to for me, but every time I return to it, I like it better. The story was very dramatic, very sci fi and had lots of character development. Bad things happen to Element Lad and Saturn Girl (just warning you, if you want these characters to be inviolate). The Legion continued from Legion Lost; I'd agree with Matthew that the first half of the run was the best. IIRC, DnA were also cut off before they could complete their planned run, so things got a bit choppy and a lot of sub-plots were dangling or not well resolved. The Dream Crime arc was interesting for those who follow Saturn Girl's ups and downs, although it wasn't one of the better stories, IMO - but beautiful art from Chris Batista. There was also a Giffen one-shot issue that didn't go over too well with the fans for its portrayal of Chuck Taine.

BTW, Legion Worlds (6 issues) was also from the period during Legion Lost, covering events on Earth, Winath, Braal, Xanthu, Steeple and Rimbor - what some of the legionnaires were doing while the others were lost.

Not quite so much a Legion referance but more of a comics in general. Does anyone know what term writers use for the boxed text in comics? I'm not speaking of the character dialogue but rather the out of character information the writer provides. I'm guessing comic producers have term for it.

I think they're just called captions.

Long time legion fan with a question.
Pre-Crisis Phantom girl said her belt was a gift from her mother, and it helped her get back to Bzgtl (sp?) but I can't find the reference. A picture of the scene would be great too.

I can't get at it right now, but that sounds like it was from the last issue of the Reflecto arc. Would have been around LSH v2 #280 or thereabouts.

Hope it is alright to add on to your answer?

The issue was #281

Wow. I was closer than I thought I'd be. Thanks.

Not only is it alright, but it is very nice of you to do so. As you can see Matthew had a general idea of what issue (albeit only off by one issue) You merely pinpointed the issue.

BTW welcome to Legion World.

Thank you very much, happy to help out

Thanks to everyone who answered about what is worth collecting. I was actually looking for something to collect in the downtime between Legion versions. I know I have at least half of Vol. 4, I just quit somewhere along the way.

Thanks for the answer guys. I remember the #280's rather fondly.

Hello everyone!

I need a quick reference on the Superboy issue where Ultra Boy first appeared.

I have it in my Legion Archive #1, but it doesn't show the cover, nor does it list the Issue # of Superboy or the Issue Date (month/year). Archive #1 is unfortunate in that it doesn't list the original release issues and dates like the following archives do!

If anybody has that handy, I'd appreciate the help!

SUPERBOY (Vol.1) 98, July 1962



Legion Archives #2 contained a sticker with the list of issue numbers, etc. for Archives #1.

Wow - talk about a quick response!

And I did not know about the listing in Archive #2 - I'll have to check mine when I get home.

BTW, Nightcrawler, when are you gonna break down and finally run for Congress? We need some movers and shakers like you immediately!

Thanks!

Actually, my Legion Archive #1 is complete - it seems they corrected it at least by the fourth printing.

Hmmm...maybe I should track down a newer copy. My original is getting worn out anyway.

hey quick question, i'm working on a Persuader pic and i breifly remember in the baxter Legion series he and the Empress had reformed the Fatal 5 with Mentalla,Flare and Caresse, and correct me if i'm wrong but on one page it looked like the he and the Empress might've been involved. i'm thinking of drawing that pic with the two but i just wanted to know for the sake of it if those two were lovers.

I believe he was in love with her but it was unrequited, she had some affection for him as a trusted subordinate, but never saw him as worthy of romance. I don't think it was ever stated explicitly, merely that Levitz meant to subtly give off that vibe (as he clearly did).

I'll ditto Chaim. That is my recollection as well.

Sarya brushed him off, as I recall.

Okay, I've looked in all the obvious locales online, but I'm still coming up blank:

Anyone know the name of Imra's folks, or other info about 'em ?

Thanks.

Unnamed pre-ZH.

Post-ZH, Sydne and Borter are her mother and father, respectively.

Unnamed three-boot.

Thanks, CMK !

Don't forget her sister in the reboot. Jancel? And her mother had a name in the threeboot, I think, although I can't call it to mind.

Oh, it's you, Mr. Abstract. I almost bought a Legion Digest today on Megalo-bay even though I'm flat broke. [shakes fist] I'll get you for that, someday. [scowl]

Sydne Ardeen is the name of 3boot Imra's mom as well.

In the pre-crisis, she had an aunt named Imra.

Hmm...must have missed that.

The things you overlook when you're not compiling a help file...

Her parents were Sydne and Bertor, named after two Saturn Girl fans (Sidne Gail Ward and Robert Dobiesz). Her sister was Jancel (after Tom McCraw's mother Jan).

Thanks, Klordny !

Oh, here's another founder-related question. I seem to recall an old Legion story where for some reason, nobody's flight rings worked-- But Cosmic Boy could still fly for some reason related to his powers.

Anyone remember if that happened, and if so, what was the reason that a person who has magnetic powers can also get airborne ?

Or is my mind just completely shot ? [grumble]

In #297 or #298 (I forget which), Cos left his ring behind to fly on sheer magnetism in pursuit of the guys who killed his mom. He made a comment about it being faster, plus he was hunting them as a son, not a Legionnaire (and probably wanted neither to be tracked nor using Legion tech for what was at the time the intention to execute the bad guys).

He also started torturing said foes by tugging at the iron in their veins.

hope that helps.

KS, that's *exactly* the issue/story I was trying to remember. Thanks !

Here's one for which I've been trying to find an answer: Has Ultra Boy (in any version) ever manifested his powers as ultra-breath? I guess I've always assumed this was in his repertoire, but I can't remember if I've ever seen him do this.

Thanks!

Definitely remember him doing this. IIRC, it was LSH Annual # 2, when he and 5 others are stuck in the far past while Karate Kid and Projectra are getting married.

I have the opportunity to buy a few comics from the 1960's. The seller is an older gentleman with virtually no comic knowledge. He says he has these two titles:

Superman Aug 1962, issue #155
Superman Giant Annual 1962

Does anyone know if either of these comics has a Legion story in them?

He's got a few other comics as well (mixture of Marvel and DC) including Spiderman, Aquaman, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Superman, Batman, Incredible Hulk, Iron man, and so on. Any suggestions on their worth. He describes them as "not mint, but not junk". How old would some of these comics be? What year did some of these comics start? He said they are all from the 1960's.

http://www.geocities.com/area51/chamber/8178/an80pg.html Looks like no Legion content in the 62 Annual.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/com...-mmrs-intro.php?topic=c-review-pc-sup155 Nor in that issue.

Ok, I'm reading Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes issue #226 and a couple of questions come up.

1. Why doesn't Saturn Girl wear a helmet in space like the other Legionnaires? We got Lightning Lad, Sun Boy, and Star Boy wearing them. Wildfire, Dawnstar, Superboy, and Saturn Girl are not wearing one. The characters are together in the same panels and the issue is repeated in every panel. I understand why Wildfire, Dawnstar, and Superboy aren't wearing one, but why Saturn Girl? In issue #229 she is shown with a helmet. I'm assuming the arist errored in issue #226. Agree?

2. On page 4, last panel, someone (most likely Lightning Lad) says:

"Even I can't fly a computer coarse in space". I understand that LL is a good navigator, so if you simply don't just log the coarse heading into the ships computer, how do they get where they are going? How do you manually navigate? I don't get it.

3. Anyone know what planet the Resource Raiders are from as well as any racial facts about them? What is their race called? Are they telepathic? The do appear to be rather strong despite their lack of muscular builds. Input please.

4. Finally, can anyone give me a good explanation of Stargrave's powers? he kinda seems to be able to do whatever the writer wants him to do rather than having his powers defined.

1. artist errors, presumably. there were a lot of inconsistencies (in writing and art) in the 70s.

2. 70s concepts of computers were very limited (even in Star Wars - if rebels have plans to the Death Star, why not just broadcast them far and wide?). It was just one of those plot loophole details that wrirters/editors assumed would go unchecked. Again, it was the 70s - it was an acceptable plot elemet for TV shows for a generic "computer expert" to program any old computer to explode on command, even!

Audiences have become much more sophisticated since then, and not just for SF. If you've ever had the misfortune to watch the early 70s Ryan O'Neil's flick "Love Story," his gf/wife/whatever dies from a prolonged illness, but they never tell the audience what it was or anything about it! That would never fly today.

3. I don't recall a lot of detail about them, but they did turn up a few times in that era. By #240-245, we learn a little more about them, but not a lot. I don't have those issues handy right this sec.

4. That's basically it. He may have become more defined in the early 90s in L.E.G.I.O.N., but for the 70s and 80s he was rather undefined.

yes. besides Chaim's example, I'm pretty sure Levitz showed this on repeated occassions.

SUPERMAN #155 (Aug 1962) has the third appearance of the adult Legionnaires, Cosmic Man (posing as Hercules) and Lightning Man (posing as Samson)!

SUPERMAN ANNUAL #6 (1962) contains a reprint of the first Legion story (recolored) and a pin up featuring them and several other Superman Family characters on the back cover.

I have both comics and highly recommend them.

Thanks Nightcrawler, I'll give the gentleman a call back and make the drive to go see the comics. He said they weren't in mint shape but they weren't junk either. Such was his description of what kind of shape they were in. Any suggestions on what I should pay? I know his description doesn't say much but....Last year I bought silver age comics from an antique dealer which I would say were in fair shape...I paid $3.00 each for them.

I've paid $3-$5 for poor condition golden/silver age comics that I've wanted in the past (they usually give you more entertainment than the comics of the same price made today).

I've also paid $10-$20 for really good condition books of that age as well.

I'd recommend checking out the other books he has while you are there. The Superman issues could potentially have a Legion appearance and check out prof's Gym'll threads to learn more about the 60's Marvel books.

Random question (and I have no idea if this is the right thread for it...). In this Alex Ross Legion painting, who is the bikini-clad dark-haired woman underneath Cosmic Boy and above Phantom Girl?

It looks kinda like Laurel Kent's costume, maybe on Night Girl, but I have no idea... Neither of them would be Legionnaires contemporary with Tyroc (well, Laurel was never a Legionnaire, for that matter), as the only time Night Girl has been a Legionnaire, AFAIK, is in the Action Legion with Chameleon Girl, Red Tornado Wildfire and company.

It's Night Girl. Notice the owl motif.

True, she was not a Legionnaire at the time. Ross was apparently employing artistic license.

I recall a story in which cosmic boy manipulated gravity with his powers in order to simulate flying. Can anyone help me locate this story so I can read about what exact explanation he provided to accomplish this feat. I'm in the midst of writing up the Magnetic Manipulation power for my game and I want to include this effect.

I remember he flew on the Earth's magnetic field with his powers in the Spotlight on Cosmic Boy issue that was around issue #300. #298? #298 sounds right for some reason.

296-297 are the issues where Cos's parents and brother are killed/injured by terrorists. 298 had Blok and White Witch fighting a Khund in the Asterois Archipelago.

Can anyone describe Mandalla? Her personality?

I don't think she ever had a single word balloon. She appeared in the background of some Levitz-era Legion Academy scenes, and in the TMK era as an instructor for the U.P. Military Academy under Chuck and Luornu Taine.

Who's Who in the LSH gave her an entry and a back-story, but nothing else has ever fleshed her out.

Interesting. Thanks.

Do we have a full catologue of all the characters that haved appeared in Legion (Legionnaires and villains both) along with their super-powers? Sort of a quick reference guide type of thing.

I don't think there's a current one. There was a Who's Who series back in the late 1980s.

There's the 2004 DC Encyclopedia here , which is based on the postboot.

We could certainly use a new Who's Who and it should include all incarnations of characters, since their powers and personalities change.

I found the Birthday thread for Pre-boot Legion, do we have any reference which tells us what year the character's were born, thus also be able to figure out their age in relation to one-another?

Remember, the Legion originally followed a rolling timeline, like most comic series. During Five Years Later, however, a fixed timeline was introduced. Its dating is the basis for the timelines here: http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/legion/index.html??

I knew they kept changing the "current" year in the comics to mirror the readers change in years, I assume that what you mean by a rolling timeline. I had hoped that somewhere along the line they actually said:

Saturn Girl was born in 2976 or Lightning Lad in 2977, or something like that. I'll check out your link, hopefully its what I'm looking for.

Edit: Yes, that would be the type of information I'm looking for. It looks real impressive. Was this the effort of a fan or DC?

There was no 3boot map and before the 3boot, Earth was basically the same as it is today, except the cities sprawled more.

I don't think there were any substantial maps throughout the series. Sometimes you'd get a planet view, like for Colu, where you'd see that they had large oceans and three moons.

There was a galactic map in the gamebook which showed the relative positions of the planets in the U.P., the Khund Empire, the Dominator Empire and (I think) the Black Circle's sphere of influence was thrown in there too.

Has anyone compiled some sort of map(s) of Earth or any other Legion world from the 30th century? I know scattered throughout the comics (especially for earth) we find name changes to cities, mentions of a polar shift (I think) which has changed some of the continents, that sort of thing. I'l be working on making a map of earth for the 30th century, is there any such thing already in the works?

any one know the issues with Chameleon boy's brother??? or a pic of Liggt

Pretty much only seen in flashbacks of TMK #6 & #8

There was a map of the v4-era (Giffen/Bierbaum) galaxy in the 2995 Sourcebook, which mostly makes sense, I don't recall seeing a map of Earth, just occasional glimpses of it from space.

Just a couple of requests, if anyone has the time:

Is there a good page somewhere specifically about the Emerald Empress ? Any/all incarnations would do. I've seen Wiki's page and a few others that pop up in the first page of a general engine search. If somebody's got a more obscure but useful page (especially anything that talked in detail about how various writers handled her powers and her relationships with the other characters) I wanna' see it !

Remember all those introductory quotes from fictional encyclopedias or news sources that would appear at the beginnings of scenes in the Levitz/Giffen era ? You know. The ones that said something like: Planet X is ruled by benevolent despot Fred Friedlander and is famous for its crawfish crepes -- Encyclopedia Galactica, 3009. I'm looking for samples of those online, because I need a reminder of how they were usually written out. If you know where to find at least a few of them, please tell !

Thanks.

Here's a start on Legion World. I know it's not all you need, but it's a start.
Emerald Empress/ Fatal Five
Just scroll down.

Also, from the 1986 DC Heroes role playing game, VOl.1: (Pre-boot)
Emerald Empress, alias Saryva(sic)
"After discovering the Emerald Eye of Ekron in the ruins of that lost civilization (the eye apparently an offshoot of Kryptonian or Oan ancestry), the Empress used its power to conquer her planet, Venegar. Ultimately, dethroned by superior numbers, she sought new worlds to conquer and became a founder of The Fatal Five.

The Empress has an affection for Superboy and can be tempted from her ways for brief periods of time by him. Fundamentally, she is amoral and deadly. She is aware that Superboy is totally opposed to her, and she usually carries a chunk of Green Kryptonite with her.

Note: The Emerald Eye can function independently of the Empress although it is relatively docile when the Empress is subdued. Its power can focus through the Empress for brief periods of time, even through Inertron. It is totally indestructible." Text by Paul Levitz and Steve Crow.

Thanks, AFOB. Shoulda' mentioned that I read nearly all the LW "basement" infor my first week here-- long before I ever registered. (Shooter's take on most of the Legionnaires was way more than I wanted to know, too. )

I always get confused as to whether the Eye is considered more scientific or more mystical in nature, but maybe that's something that changes every time a new writer comes along, anyway. I was also wondering if Sarya ever had any kind of backstory or planetary history, beyond her earlier career as would-be ruler of her home planet.

Cleome, here's an Encyclopedia G. item that I had close by:

Winath: A lush agricultural world. Virtually all of the eight million inhabitants are results of identical twin births, the most common delivery on theplanet by a ratio of 983 to 1 --
Encyclopaedia Galactica

There were similar little entries for "U.P. News Report" and "Science Police Status Report" - always in a yellow box

If you need a visual I could scan it in later.

Bless yer' heart, FC. Mostly I just needed a reminder of the writing style and some of the fictitious "sources." If you have some more of the typical "sources," I'd love it. If not, no worries.

[proffers cookies]

I'm looking for all the entries of Grimbor the Chainsman and Charma that are out there. I'd like to read each comic they appeared in so that I can get a good idea of their powers in order to properly utilize them in my game. Can anyone compile me a list of issues they appeared in?

A coupe more Encyc. Galactica citations for Cleome:

Durla: Only planet of its star-sun, Durla once sustained a high-order civilization whose warlike tendencies ultimately ended in the six-minute war. The conflict reduced the planet to nuclear rubble, gradually mutated the natives until they gained the power to change their form instantly to adapt to circumstances... and ultimately created a barbaric tribal life on what is colloquially called "The Chameleon Planet".
-- Encyclopaedia Galactica, 2983 A.D. Edition

Durla, Continued: Each tribe has adopted a "characteristic" shape used in their rituals and worn by Durlans of the tribe who leave the planet. The relationship of any of these shapes to the natural appearance of Durlans is unknown... yet best available data indicates these shapes may be those worn by the primary ancestors of the tribe at "The Temple" -- the alleged source of the inhabitants' unique abilities.
-- Encyclopaedia Galactica

The Time Institute: An adjunct facility of Metropolis University, Earth, famed for research into th nature of time and time travel. Principal discoveries: the time scanner and time bubble, under the direction of Circadia Senius, Chronarch of the Institute.
-- Encyclopaedia Galactia

"Star-sun"... I'd almost forgotten about that Pre-Crisis-ism. What other kind is there?

Phantom Girl: Grimbor appeared in Superboy # 221, Superboy & the LSH # 240, LSH v2 # 277-280, and LSH v4 # 51. He made a post-ZH appearance in LSH Secret Files & Origins # 1. He is also a member of Superboy-Prime's LSV in Legion of 3 Worlds.

Charma only appeared in Superboy # 221.

Grimbor's and Charma's daughter Cocheta appeared in LSH v4 # 51.

Charma did also appear in the reboot, in that story with the two Invisible Kids.

Good remembering, Matthew - issue was Legionnaires # 66.

Thanks again, FC !

Can anyone recommend a good picture of one or more Legionnaires performing a particular heroic action? I'm not really looking for the run of the mill rescue of some sorts but rather something that really taxed the characters abilities. I'm also not really looking for the "sacrficing one's life" such as Invisible Kid or Ferro Lad's death.

Not really a single image, but a sequence that comes to mind, is the climax of "Earthwar". I particularly love this sequence because of the teamwork of two of the Legionnaires most diametrically opposed personality-wise, Element Lad and Brainiac 5:

Those should work fine. I'll be able to utilze one picture for the heroic feat and another for the teamwork example. Excellent choices, thank you!

That particular Earthwar issue has proved to me that how powerful Element Lad is. I have concluded myself that Element Lad is the most powerful member of the Legion. Certainly not Mon-El, Superboy, Wildfire, Ultra Boy....Element Lad...wow. That was when I was able to convince my friend that Element Lad is powerful. Mon-El is the strongest....Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel is the most resourceful....Karate Kid is the most determined and will-powered (most indomitable) and that left me one debatable issue - which one is the most unluckiest legionniare - Lightning Lad or Star Boy?

I was inclined more toward Star Boy. YMMV.

So I was having a good time tooling around this space , when my eyes happened to fall on:

Quote

...Homeworld of Shrinking Violet, Imsk has been the most politically explored planet next to Earth. Back in the 70s, we learned that the Imskians hunt a race of space dragons who possess a certain energy and radiation that helps to facilitate their ability to shrink. Garth, Imra and Gim assisted Salu in collecting some of this energy only to react to it and be hunted by Bounty... -- Todd Schoonover, 2001

Anyone have a picture of this ? (I thought that Bounty was an 5YL character, but the writer implies that the event took place earlier-- pre-Crisis.) I'm working on a Violet-centric fic right now, and I'd love you forever. Thanks.

It was a different Bounty I think. At any rate it was not the same "violent-entity-in-Dawnstar's-body" concept.

Okay. Thanks, matlock. At least my brain isn't completely shot.

Yeah, this character was later reavealed to be Jaeger Tallspirit, a cousin of Dawnstar. His lack of wings have led to some speculation that he too, was possessed by the "Bounty" entity which could have had some sort of vendetta on Dawnstar's bloodline...

I can't remember if I've asked this before. I thought I had, but when I did a search it came up empty:

Can I get a ruling on just how Phantom Girl's homeworld is spelled? I'm sure I've seen both "Bgtzl" and "Bgztl" in multiple places where you'd expect it to be spelled correctly. Is there any kind of consensus of authoritative sources on this spelling?

Bgztl is the official spelling.

Thanks.

Not that I doubt your word, but I would like to know more about just what is the basis on which you say that.

Who exactly is this woman Xera? And what where the names of the members of the UP Military Academy during the FYL stories, specifically #57.

Xera was the heroine of Manna-5, introduced (briefly) in the Universo Project story.

I don't have #57 handy, but here are the named Academy students that I can remember -

Dragonfly

And a girl created by Steve Lightle, which I've named Tiger Girl

Ah yes, thank you SO much. Actually, I think someone on here nicknamed her Satomi Tiger. What do you think?

Sorry about the above. Every time I tried going to the smilie legend the computer started wigging out. So I tried to view them by typing in the names and previewing them. I hit add reply instead of preview for the above.

No problem. It's a known bug with Internet Explorer (works fine in Firefox) due to the amount of images.

And Steve Lightle discussed "Tiger Girl" here .

Hmmmmm...

Ideas have started to turn in my mind. Thanks for that.

Another day, another question:

Chronologically speaking, who proposed to his beloved first: Garth or Chuck ?

Thanks in advance.

Chuck. Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel's wedding was the end of the Cockrum era; Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl didn't get married until Paul Levitz came along.

Dude. Watch your mailbox for cookies. The non-exploding kind.

I have that giant comic where Bouncing Boy marries Duo Damsel. Jim Starlin did the cover for that ish. I've often wondered if I'm related to Jim Starlin(I have the same last name). To my knowledge Jim Starlin only did a handfull of Legion covers but he didn't do any interior artwork for any Legion issues. Am I correct or has Jim Starlin worked on some issues of the Legion. If so does anyone know which issues? Also at the start of this thread there was something about best 80's Legion costume. My vote for most improved costume has to go to 80's Timber Wolf. Its kinda hard to rock Autumn colors but man did they pull it off.

Jim Starlin did the interior art for Superboy & the LSH # 239 - "Murder Most Foul".

Thank you!!

Anyone got a pic of Weber's World (planetside) somewhere ? Even just one of those skinny-panel skyline shots would help out a lot with something I'm working on at the moment. Thanks in advance.

From SLSH #242

gosh...see how strong Dawnstar is? Loved #242.. artwork was so good at that time. One of the best book ever out in the rack (before George Perez/John Byrne/Jim Lee eras).

Also he is still writing and drawing - right now it's Strange Adventures guest-starring Adam Strange, Omega Men, Hawkman, Captain Comet, the Weird, etc.

So, FC, at this point I should probably be putting your name in the "thank you" section of the fic I'm working on. I don't know if that would be a solid career move for you, though. Let me know if it's okay.

No problem - my career plunged downwardly years ago.

Does anyone know if Weber was somebody in particular, or just a name taken at random? All I could turn up in a search was grills and carburetors - no statesmen or political philosophers.

Well, there is Max Weber (not to be confused with Max Webster ), but I think it's more likely that the name was just picked to sound good.

I always took the name as a total tribute to Max Weber and his work on bureaucracy. Weber's World was the bureaucratic center of the United Planets.

Starlin also did the layouts for S/LSH issues #250 and #251 using the pseudonym Steve Apollo. The pseudonym was apparently used because the story in the two issues was originally intended for an oversized Legion special that got canceled. The change of plans resulted in a delay in the publication of the story and some "fixes" to the art. Both of which had a negative impact the quality and meaning of the story.

Thanks for the info.

Can anyone verify the information Cosmic Teams posted about Echo?

Micro-Lad: The original or re-boot version (not the renamed Gim Allon)... anyone remember if he ever had a "real" name ?

Under Levitz/Giffen he was a wannabe' revolutionary and kidnapper-brainwasher. In reboot he was the guy who murdered a rival in competition for a space with the Legion. In either version, did he have any kind of backstory ?

Thanks.

Micro Lad was Lalo Muldron. Not familiar with his backstory in either version.

Thanks.

Regarding Echo, as posted at Cosmic Teams , they don't give much information, but that's how the story played out. He fought Cosmic Man one-on-one in that Adult Legion story. I don't think he was seen again.

Well, he was seen as a Legionnaire in that 5YL issue where Sun Boy's life flashed before his eyes. (Hero History)

And he was in the Superman/Batman story, and he's been in Lo3W.

Wow, I guess I already know about as much as I know. Thanks though.

I'd forgotten about the Superman/Batman. That 5YL appearance is a bit baffling, since Echo was a villain in the Adult Legion story, which I guess just emphasizes the fact that the Adult Legion stories were indeed imaginary. We get to take our pick whether Echo was a legionnaire, or a legionnaire turned villain, or maybe Sun Boy was just hallucinating.

Tell me what you know about transuits. I remember that they protect the wearer from the vacuum of space, but...

Do they work against inclement weather, too ? If you're wearing one when you fall into cold water, are you protected from hypothermia ?

Who invented the darn things ?

Etc.

I think his hero history, FC, said something about him being against the Khunds. Because they were the ones who fused that oxygen mask on his face, or something, and that's why he became a Legionnaire when he did.

My impression re: transuits (I'm not sure if there's a source to back this up) is that they are primarily designed to work in vacuums, but are fairly limited in general in regards to adverse atmospheric conditions. I'm pretty sure, for example, they won't protect from the extreme heat on Tharr. One would assume they would have to have at least some temperature regulation as part of their ordinary function, however, so they might protect you from an ordinary Earth snowstorm for at least some time.

Fat Cramer:

Or a villain turned Legionnaire, like Blok. That's how I read it. Like, he was misguided and once separated from the LSV's influence he turned out to really be OK and eventually, a Legionnaire.

Many of the LSVers were retconned into being mind-controlled through the use of drugs 5YL.

He was a villain im the 60s Adult Legion, but a hero by late 80s/early 90s.

Therefore it was his time with the Bunnymen in the 80s that reformed him.

Really? Which issue was that from?

I believe its spelled out in detail in the LSH Mayfair Games Sourcebook (written by the Bierbaums), though there may be references to it in the text features on Mekt's rehabilitation as well (around #12 or so).

It was used to excuse a number of characters, like Spider Girl, Ron-Karr, and Saturn Queen from the more murderous aspects of the LSV's career.

Oh. Thanks. I was wondering. If they do indeed start a Legion comic after Lo3W, I wish we'd see more insight on BB and Echo. It's funny though. With Echo's mask looking like Ferro Lad's somewhat, you'd have thought the reboot writers were making a reference to him and BB with Ferro and Inferno's "relationship". But that's just me.

And I have another question. I've heard that FYL, the Dominators got hold of Wildfire's brother, Squire. It looked like they made him into their Wildfire, yet a Legion FAQ I read said his powers were "object animation". What's up with that?

Object Animation was Quislet's power. For a while, Quislet was tutoring Wildfire on the advantages of being an energy-being, so maybe for that time, Wildfire was able to do that as well, but certainly he didn't maintain that ability long-term.

Then did the Dominators manage to duplicate that ability for his brother? Or is that the closest I'm gonna get to an explanation?

Squire Burroughs was never adequately explained. Maybe it was one of those things the Bierbaums planned to but couldn't.

We can only presume the Dominators played some role. At that time, DC was big on making anyone who had meta-powers to have a gene that facilitates accessing powers; if you and I were both bitten by a radioactive Hyena, and you had the gene but I didn't, you might get powers but I'd get to die. That gene was the reason for the Dominators' attempted 20th C Invasion (see the big x-over of the same name circa 1990), and we saw in TMK Annual 2 the Dominators continuing to try to exploit that.

So if we assume that Drake had the gene, which is why he was transformed into Erg-1 rather than just being incinerated, then his bro could have ehad the gene too - and it would just be a matter of duplicating the experiment.

The whole premise relies on very cartoony ideas about genettics in the first place.. but it was an attempt to offer *some* explanation where there had been none (regarding why things that would kill you or I gave other people powers).

Ah. Thanks. I really wish the Bierbaums had more time to explain the rest of those plot threads. Maybe if we're lucky Geoff might...

As long as Garth is not Proty and there are no more Legion clones or else MARVEL'S GOT A NEW ERRAND BOY.

Has Braniac 5 ever used his force-field offensively?

I believe in one of the isses for the Great Darkness Saga he used it to trap one of the Servants of Darkness, which caused the energy blast it fired to bounce back in at it.

Also there was one scene in The Legion #?? where he used it to punch a guy. Might even have been the first issue.

What exactly do Grimbor the Chainsman's chains do? How do the work? What are they capable of?

Back to Squire...uh...how could he have been Wildfire's brother? I know I'll accept it as fact but there's just that line in one of the Secrets of the Legion (3?) that Wildfire says he's an orphan, and he doesn't know who his real parents are.

I guess the simpliest way to say the dominators found his real parents. Or that his adoptive brother (never did say either way if he was an only child) since he had the name burroughs also had the meta gene.

As for Grimbor I believe his chains and traps were made specific to counter against the powers of the legionnaires.

He's also used it a lot as Brainiac 5.1 during Legion Lost as well as earlier fighting scenes.

I hope everyone is doing well.

Would anyone know of a great image gallery with the Legion?

Not particularly, but comicvine has some great pics.

I heard somewhere that LL could run at superspeed by charging his leg muscles with electricity. Is this true? If so how fast could he run?

I've seen someone ask about this before elsewhere, and nobody knew what he was talking about that time. I've certainly never read such a story.

Well I dunno who thought it up but it's writing gold.

In the reboot, one of Shrinking Violet's people died because of something called an "Auraflux," according to Major Spoilers. Anyone have the details on where it came from and how it worked? I know the culprit was rebbot Micro Lad, but that's all.

Thanks in advance.

An Imskiite code named Ion was killed by an auraflux blade in Legion of Super-Heroes #66 (March, 95). Shrinking Violet, Micro-Lad, and Ion were competing to be Imsk's representative to the Legion. Apparition and Spark were on hand to welcome the new recruit. Ion dropped dead in the middle of the competition.

Violet explained that all Imskiites carry a special aura that allows them to change their size, the size of their clothing, and the air around them. A flux metal was developed that resists the aura's effect and doesn't shrink. It is surgically implanted in prisoners to keep them from shrinking out of jail. It's eventually revealed that Micro Lad had secretly implanted an auraflux blade in Ion prior to the competition and "it carved her to pieces from the inside" when she shrank during her demonstration. Vi uses some impressive martial arts to take Micro Lad out and earns her place in the Legion.

Oh is that what happened? I saw some of it in her Major Spoilers Hero History, but it looked like Micro-Lad poisoned her. I dunno.

Jerry, thanks!

That's just the info I needed. There was a little background on a pdf of the old Legion Outpost, but I couldn't get the blasted thing to a point where it was readable on my screen. (Gack.) Appreciate it.

Quick! Somebody tell me everything that's ever been specifically defined about Dawnstar's powers. Y'know, what limits, if any, there are regarding who/what/where she can track. If there's anything specific that enhances or subdues her powers; do they increase with age and/or usage; is there a link-up between her ability to fly and her ability to track (if one power is diminished, does the other automatically diminish as well?); what can she specifically do that a telepath or a machine cannot do tracking-wise, and so on.

Also, has she ever been linked to a particular NA tribe (or at least region of Old Earth), rather than just being considered a :rolleyes: generic NA?

Thanks in advance.

She's generic NA as far as I've read. Also (somewhere) it was stated that she flies just below light speed. Really.

Don't recall any specific info re: limitations to her tracking abilities. From Who's Who:

Dawnstar is an exceptional natural tracker, able to chart specific persons or objects through normal or hyper-space and able to get a "fix" on local lifeforms. She can survive interstellar space without a transuit and can navigate through space better than the most advanced computer systems. Her powers are psionic in nature, combining tracking and probability-calculating talents.

Whatever that means.... but I would read that she has to know what she's tracking (as opposed to "find who did this"). Most telepaths seem to have a limitation of physical distance, whereas I don't recall any such with Dawnstar.

Also, I don't remember when she pulled out the probability-calculating trick. Nice - it suggests that if the track grows faint or she loses it, she can pick up the most likely path. But maybe they just threw that into the Who's Who summary?

Thank You, FC.

DC Heroes gave stats for her. Her speed was faster than almost any other character or starship included - 64 light-years per hour, wasn't it?

Not Long ago, Adventure comics #0 came out. There was a picture of the cover that had the title ommitted as well as other type, so that it was just the picture. I've lost my copy of that and I was hoping someone could re-direct me to it?

Thanks so Much!

Just found it. This is a great site.

I just spent a few minutes searching the site for the thread where Barry Kitson explained how time travel originally was supposed to work in the threeboot. Something else else about how every time you go back to the past you create a new future, and that's why the Legion can read DC Comics. Does anyone know where that is?

The post you are looking for is here.

Thanks very much!

This is past the due date, but I was looking through some of the Baxter issues and Dawnstar says that her tracking ability is less clear on the planet's surface (interference, I guess). She also loses a track in space when her thoughts start wandering.

Thanks, Triplicate Kid! You, too, FC. (Not to worry. The due date got immolated when I picked up actual wage work last week, anyway.)

Has Pulsar Stargrave made any appearances in the 31st century since the Birbaum run?

No.

I had read somewhere (perhaps even on this board) that Sensor Girl's original costume... the red and white one... was very similar to that of an existing manga or anime character.

I remember looking the character up and being suprised that, with the exception of the mask, they were nearly identical.

I can't, however, for the life of me, remember the character name or find an online reference to this fact. Does anyone have any idea who I might be talking about?

I'll try and look, Exnihil, but I've got a question. I understand that there were a lot of different artists for Legion of Super-Heroes #300, the cover I mean.

Who did Gene Colan and Walter Simonson draw?

Cover to LSH v2 #300 -
Supergirl - Carmine Infantino & Bob Oksner
Invisible Kid - Paris Cullins
Colossal Boy - George Perez
Dawnstar - Joe Kubert
Superboy - Kurt Schaffenberger
Sun Boy - Jose Luis Garcia Lopez
White Witch - Don Heck
Karate Kid - Jim Aparo
Queen Projectra - Jan Duursema
Timber Wolf - Gene Colan & Frank Giacoia
Phantom Girl - Dave Cockrum
Blok - Walt Simonson
Star Boy - George Tuska & Mike DeCarlo
Dream Girl - Jim Sherman
Brainiac Five - Howard Chaykin
Ultra Boy - Curt Swan
Wildfire - Howard Bender & Dave Hunt
Cosmic Boy -Keith Giffen & Larry Mahlstedt
Saturn Girl - Dick Giordano
Lightning Lad - Larry Mahlstedt & Keith Giffen
Mon-El - Gil Kane
Element Lad - Trevor Von Eeden
Chameleon Boy - Joe Orlando
Proty - Keith Giffen & Dan Adkins
Shadow Lass - Ross Andru & Romeo Tanghal
Duo Damsel - Ernie Colon
Bouncing Boy - Joe Staton

Thanks. Those guys, along with Jim Sherman and Trevor Von Eeden are gonna be at Big Apple Con and I want them to sign that 1050 Years of the Future book. Might even got some sketches...

Hmmm... no takers? Could I have imagined this?

I've continued looking, but to no avail. Here's what I remember: The character is wearing nearly the exact same uniform as Sensor Girl (same color scheme, cut, etc.) but no mask. It's a female character with short black hair. I'm not certain whether she's manga or anime based, but certainly from that general style of drawing. Additionally, I seem to remember that she is somehow affiliated with a marine-based setting, like on a submarine or in the navy, or something.

This is driving me nuts.

Not entirely true... dig out LSH: SFO #1. The giant spread by Phil Jiminez of the denizens of the Legion's era includes a member of the Dark Circle. The legend for that photo lists that character (#116) as a "Pulsar Stargrave". Though that was never stated in-story, I thought that was cute foreshadowing that the DC leader was related to Brainiac 5.1, who we later found out was his mother, B4.

Hello, I hope everyone is doing well.

I remember Mon-el traveling through a black hole on 2 occassions.

Does anybody else know about this and if so can you tell me the issues?

I was just reading a column on CBR about Canadian comic-book artists, and noticed that there are a few Canadian artists who've drawn, or otherwise affected, the Legion:

- Joe Shuster cocreated Superman, which is obviously important
- John Byrne drew the Legion in the "Death of Superboy" arc, and famously affected the LSH in other ways
- Stuart Immonen was the regular LSH penciller for a while in the early-to-mid '90s
- Win Mortimer drew some Legion stories in the '60s
- Francis Manapul was the regular artist on the Jim Shooter part of the threeboot
- Kalman Andrasofszky chipped in on the threeboot once or twice
- Alex Serra drew more issues of LSH31C than anybody else
- Darwyn Cooke drew the Spark story in Legion Worlds

My questions are, a) can anyone think of any others, and b) did Todd McFarlane ever draw the Legion?

Only if they appeared in the background of any Crisis-related issues of Infinity, Inc. that he drew.

Although not strictly Legion, McFarlane did also draw Vril Dox and Garryn Bek of L.E.G.I.O.N., as well as a slew of Dominators, Khunds, Gil'Dishpan, Durlans, and Daxamites in the "Invasion" series.

Anybody know if those Legion costume sketches that Swan did back in the silver age are available on line anywhere?

Thanks.

Never mind. My buddy, Jo, posted them on his website for me here:

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=71207&p=3&topicID=29110019

I'm currently living in Italy and left all of my old comics in my American house so am unable to reference them. I'm trying to find pictures of all of the Legion family members such as Synde and Berto Ardeen, Luc and Perla Ranzz...etc. Can anyone help me? Thanks.

Technically not a Legion question in the strict sense, but...

Xudar is the planet that produced at least a couple of Green Lanterns . Xudarians also pop up in a few crowd scenes in the Legion animated series. Does anyone recall whether any of them were seen or prominently featured in any other Legion stories, and in what capacity?

Anything you've got would be appreciated, as when it comes to old comics, I'm kind of in the same boat as BouncingBear. I've looked at some of the Lantern-centric sites but haven't found much stuff relating to the 30th/31st Century.

Thanks.

There was a Xudarian Green Lantern in LSH # 295, the story that revealed Universo to have once been a GL.

I think I recall seeing a Xudarian Science Police officer, possibly in the Legion 30th Anniversary issue (Levitz baxter series # 45) with the Luck Lords, Lightning Lad and Lightning Lord.

And there might have been a Xudarian amongst the heroes captured by Universo in the Universo Project story.

No prominently featured Xudarian characters, though.

Thanks for your help, Chaim.

Something else else I was wondering recently... was there ever a complete list of cities that survived the destruction of Earth 5YL?

If not, does anyone know of a list (or would be willing to construct one) of known surviving cities?

No complete list, but I believe my Legion help file lists all the known surviving ones. Those are:

Metropolis (the capital)
Melbourne
Jakarta
Paris
Tokyo
Acapulco
Essen
the underwater cities of Tritonis (also inaccurately called Atlantis) and Marsala

Thanks. I should've thought to check the help-file.

Speaking of geography, does anyone remember if the Legion-verse had its own planetary version of Switzerland, as in, "It's in my Swiss bank account" ?

If so, what was that planet's name?

Thanks in advance.

There was, of course, the Interplanetary Bank.

I can't think of anything that's really a Switzerland analogy, however.

Wasn't there some sort of Pirate's Bank back in the Dynamo Boy story? I could be misremembering.

Hi Gang,
I'm looking for sketch reference for the following characters:

Vykros
H'Hrnath
Witch Wolf of Tulva

Thanks.

Vykros to follow...

Vrykos




Close up of the teeth...

Thanks Fat Cramer! I think I love you.

Another reference request please:

Doctor Ryk'rr

The creepy Doctor... always smiling....

along a similar vein, I'm looking for a few good illustrations of Dr. Gym'll... preferably a couple different angles.

Does anyone have any good pictures of Captain Frake? I'm curious as to what she looks like.

She's on the right. Great Cockrum cover!

Boy, you ain't kidding! But with that hat she looks more like a witch than a pirate, but what do I know.

I think she was designed by Ditko...but I'll check my comics later to be sure.

How did I ever miss this thread,Anyone got large scans of the future Batgirl by Steve Lightle,Thora and Rann Antar.

Oh and heres some full body shots of some of the characters requested.

H'Hrnath


Universo as a Green Lantern


Vykros

Anyone else wonder what Vykros would look like if Kelley Jones drew him?

Oh, one more thing. Does anyone have any good pictures of Veilmist? And not just covers. Thank you.

Does anyone have the full picture that this is the right hand half of. The full picture was used as a wraparound for the Superman/Legion HC:

Here you go Sarcasm Kid.

Beautiful. Thanks.

One more thing, what did Superman do with Kara's body after the Crisis?

I do not have the issue to hand but I seem to remember her being launched into the sun.

no he didn't launch her into the sun.

He took her to Rokyn to her Parents in a Superman issue. (where Alura's hair color was changed to black in a ink error, and it was during the Crisis during a break in the action I would say between Crisis 7 and 8)

That'll learn me to rely on my memory! Thanks.

we all got that problem LOL

yeah, we keep forgetting the lesson, not to rely on our memory.

Damn, I was hoping he really did bring her into the sun.

Anyone have a copy of that post-original-recipe-Crisis fallout page (the one in the actual Legion comic) where Brainy's all emo because Kara's dead. Dr. Chaseer says something nice to him, and either Rond or Circadia (or both) basically tells him to grow the [bleep] up?

If there's already one posted somewhere, just point me in that direction. Google and its ilk just aren't my friends today, I guess. Still depressurizing from the heatwave and the end of the stoopid temp job.

Thanks much.

Found it!
It's in the baxter-era Legion #16.
Page 2
Circadia Sensus: "Brainiac 5, my friend?"
B5: "She's dead Chronarch. A thousand years ago tonight, she died. Leave me with her."
RV: "You knew Supergirl was doomed to an early death, Brainiac."
B5: "I couldn't stop her Rond. I had to watch her die."
CS: "History K-K-K-cannot K-K-K-change, my friend."
B5: " You taught me that, Chronarch, years ago. But I still built the Time Bubble to conquer the centuries so I could hold her...kiss her...and dare not interfere with her death.
May whatever gods there be have mercy on her soul--and on mine."
On pages 8 and 9 there is a 'bar scene' at the Time Institute. Rond tells him to pull himself together, everyone is staring.
Dr. Chaseer comes over
RV: "Doctor Chaseer, how are you?"
DrC: "Well enough to wish a hurt man less pain."
B5: "Thank you."
Dr.C: "You are a brilliant man, sir--it pains all of us to watch you so. Can we not--"
B5: "No. No one can... anything. Not for me. Not for Kara."

At the end, he pulls himself together and reminds Dr. Chaseer "After all, tomorrow will be another day whether were ready to face it or not."

Thanks, AFOB! That helps much. LJ coughed up a few other scans from that era, but not that one in particular.

Bonus appreciation for anyone who has the actual page available somewhere.

Tada! The Brainiac 5 centric pages from LSH v3 #16







I hadn't really noticed before, but all of Brainy's pages are framed in black, while the rest of them are white like normal. The better to portray the sad and dark mood that he was in.

ken, I will you forever for this.

(But not in a creepy, stalkerish way, I promise.)

Yeah, I remember the black borders, and I still daydream about getting my degree at the Time Institute so I can go back in time with a big fish in tow. I want to use it to slap the idjits who green-lighted Kara's death in the first place. What can I say? I tend to hold a grudge. (Once they found that in my psych profile, they probably wouldn't admit me anyway. Bah.)

You're quite welcome.

Could someone scan some pictures of Squire Burroughs, Wildfire's brother? He was one the people mindwiped by the Dominion in the Glorithverse. They wanted to make their own Wildfire, as I understand. Thanx in advance.

This is from issue #40. Squire was featured on the cover also.

Yeah, I heard some people on here were pissed about that. Thank you.

i just wondered how in the world did they make wildfire have a brother when he was said to have been an orphan in Secrets of the Legion?

Considering Glorith and the Trapper kept gizzing on that timeline and making edits I wouldn't worry about it.

Can someone scan a picture of Accordion King from Legionnaires issue #9,and Agent Skelter from the 3boot issue #11,I can't find my copies.

This page has Accordion King. Hold on.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/10/31/top-five-legion-rejects/

Now, does anyone have any pictures of An Ryd (non-Legion annual), Zera Vultan, and Weight Wizard? Thanx in advanced.

Agent Skelter, Photoshopped. If you'd just prefer the scanned page let me know.

Can anyone help? I am looking for a website that shows models with legion costumes photoshopped on. many thanks.

Something else else that is bothering me from Lo3W is in issue 3 (I think) Andromeda says to Superman that is nice to see him again. However I cannot find any instance when they would have met previously.

Obviously Laurel Gand met him during Time and Time Again but they are not the same person and Andromeda was not with the team at the part of Legion 100 when the team travelled through time.

So if nobody except Brainiac and Thom remembers the first Lo3w team-up can anybody tell me when they would have met previously?

Does anyone know what issue of Adventure Comics I'll find Polar Boy trying out for the LSH? Also how about when he joined, what issue would that be?

Does this help?

http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/7617.htm/

Yes, greatly, I'm working on Polar Boys power of Cold Generation and this gave me the information I was looking for. Thank you very much Sarcasm Kid.

No prob.

I just wish I could some answers to my questions, though.

I doubt I can help, but ask away, I'm familiar from about 1976 on down to 1958.

I was asking if anyone had pics of An Ryd, Zera Vultan, and Weight Wizard (not necessarily together)

An Ryd, SUPERBOY #239 -

Zera Vultan, LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #283 -

Weight Wizard, ADVENTURE COMICS #344 & 345 -

I was looking around for the status of Trom in the Legion-Prime's era. I didn't remember any reference to it in the actual WaK issues. I checked a Wiki listing for Jan Arrah and the WaK version was listed as "the sole survivor of a lost planet", referencing Action Comics #850. Can anyone verify this please?

so... nobody has any Dr. Gym'll?
or did my req get lost between many others?

I'm looking for full-body shot, both frontal and side views
...as well as a frontal head closeup.

Thank for the scans. I just have one question.

Is the infamy surrounding Tyroc true?

Based on my 3Boot EL page here . Trom's fate was never discussed during the Wak years. I don't recall Shooter adding anything to Jan besides his stinky pet and his rebound girlfriend after the Trips disappeared.

Thanks, Gar. I just had this idea percolating... if there were other Tromians with Jan's abilities in the Prime uni, the Prime Legion could get another transmuter, OR Brainy Prime could conceivably work out time travel from his exposure to the other Brainy's and they'd travel back to the present universe of E-P and train a Tromian to housesit SBP... That's why I was curious as to what the actual ACT #850 ref was...

Here's Gym'll's Who's Who page -



Notice he has four arms above. Just like in his first appearance -



And to make life easy for me, here's the pages used to explain the name "Dr.Gym'll's Cultural Rarities."
Notice that Giffen always drew him with three arms -

I don't understand the question...but here are some resources -

Tyroc at Wikipedia

Tyroc at Major Spoilers

What I meant was, is it true that most of the people involved with creating Tyroc are embarrassed by him?

According to LEGION COMPANION, Mike Grell was. Don't know what Cary Bates thinks about him.

Well, according to the information, I fail to understand why the editors kept blocking the writers efforts to add black Legionnaires until they HAD to create Tyroc.

Many people want to believe that omission of black characters in American comics was something of an oversight, a sign of the times, or just reflective of the larger culture. It was deliberate choice during the 60's, when the Legion headlined Adventure Comics. DC editorial was afraid that comics with black characters would be pulled from the shelves of stores in parts of America, specifically in the South. That would have impacted sales. It was a very conscious racist business decision. Remember, this was the era in which some network affiliates refused to air Star Trek episodes because of an interracial kiss.

Was this the same era that I Spy came into existence?

Let's be clear on dates here:

Star Trek ran from 1966-69; I Spy from 1965-68.

Tyroc made his debut in 1976.

The comics industry, however, has always been behind the times in reflecting cultural changes. This is not the same as pop culture fads such as disco or kung fu movies, which have a way of creeping into comics much sooner. But significant social and political changes take longer. Well into the '70s, most super-hero teams still had only one token female, for example.

Tyroc was, in my opinion, an attempt to be "relevant" by creating a black character, but his creators and company probably had little idea how to actually go about creating such a character. They relied on popular stereotypes: the disco costume with chains, the angry young black attitude. It is probably because of these stereotypes that Tyroc became an embarrassment to DC and all but vanished from Legion stories after his first three appearances.

The third appearance, by the way, was an egregious example of bad taste. The cover of SUPERBOY # 222 shows Superboy and Ultra Boy flying with a manacled and gagged Tyroc--hardly an image conducive to race relations of the time.

Was the racism intentional? Perhaps, perhaps not. But it was a very real, ingrained aspect of American culture, and DC blunderingly made it worse in their misguided attempt to make it better.

Thank you all for the insight and the in-depth explanations.

Um, okay, moving on from that...

Does anyone have any scans of when the Legionnaires switched powers in Adventure Comics #361.