TERRY LONG. 'Nuff said.

That she preferred Jack of the Flips over Joe of the Flips shows that this was a long standing problem.

The Mer-Boy, and that half-chicken dude. I mean, GROSS.

Technically, wasn't that Diana and not Donna?

Yeah, I think it was. Perhaps its an Amazon thing? I mean...honestly...you keep a girl in an island full of only other girls, and she's not going to be the best judge of males.

But I'd take a chicken or mer-boy over Terry Long anyday.

So the future Mrs Cobie spent time on Themyscira?

The future Mrs. Cobie is the new Wonder Woman. She's the third part of Donna's and Diana's soul that no one noticed had reflected off a mirror in the back of the room when the copy that became Donna was made. (Or whatever the hell the current "WHo is Donna Troy?" origin may have happened to be) She's left-handed right Cobie?

Hey! Mer-Boy rocks!

(stares blankly)

Can we assume that Lash is ambivalent towards mermen?

Stupid creep!!

Nobody can fault her for giving it up to this bad boy, though. The brightest spot on her man-landscape!

From an article with George Perez:-

"Dick admitted that he did once feel that way about [Donna Troy]. But the fact is that he was not enough of a man, and she was too much of a woman for him. He was never mature enough to take her,* which is what he admires about Terry Long...Dick's grown up a lot because of her relationship. He's learning a lot. He's seen the relationship between Terry and Donna. and obviously that's influenced his relationship with Kory."

So Terry was not only perfect for Donna, he was a guiding influence for Grayson. Grayson was the one the others looked to, so Long really was an inspiration to the whole cast. What a guy!


*"...to take her" torpedoes all that Titans sensitivity...

Saw Terry the other day trying to give some high school girls a lift home. Was driving a 1983 dodge cutlass supreme, smoking a joint and cranking Foghat.

Don't forget his unbuttoned shirt. And the gold rings on every finger.

He's my hero. What a guy!

I think the Lash doth protest to much, and jealousy is the root of all this. But is he jealous of terry, or Donna???

Superman is really bitter that there are no roads leading up to his fortress of solitude so he could drive one. No college girls either, but he gets Supergirl & Jimmy to pretend for him.

ALRIGHT, I admit Mer-Boy is cute. Total makeout material. And he rocks the shirtless look, and I guess him having no penis actually saves me a lot of trouble!

Chicken-creep here is totally out of luck though.

What's crazy is I have a well-documented ginger weakness but Terry just sucks!! He ruins gingers!! HE RUINS EVERYTHING!!

Wasn't Terry just Wolfman's self-insert ... his way of getting to date (and marry) Donna?

Easy to see who wears the trousers in that relationship. Because they would be really uncomfortable on Mer-Boy, if you could get any to fit at all.

Maybe I never really noticed Terry was a big problem to have around, since Dick spent a lot of time being not-real-nice to his own girlfriend during the same period.

Then there was Gar going Senator Packwood on pretty much every female person he saw. Given that he looked all of 14 or 15 at the time, that's at least as retroactively creepy as anything Terry got up to with Donna. At least by that time Donna appeared to have been of legal age.

Time and perspective eventually ruins everything you once loved.

Now that I think about it, wasn't Vic also kind of big jerk to women, too?

And did Raven really get the emotional support she needed from Wally West? I think not.

No kidding! Jeebus, People! Cut Terry some slack here! Look at the rest of the male role models in the Wolfman/Perez-verse.

Hmmm. This almost puts them behind Terry Long!

Steve Dayton's wife got killed on an island! Killed! What was he doing?!

^^Funnily enough, I've been re-reading the Silver Age Doom Patrol. It's good stuff, but, Jeez Louise, Steve Dayton was a twerp!

That's how I remember him too. Later on, he'd project his consciousness into the native of another planet. Braal or something, it was called.

LOL

Could be, could be.

And as much as I love Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, it always amuses me at the climax of "American Gothic" how Steve Dayton's beard comes and goes depending on who's doing the art.

Oh that's his "Grow Your Own Niles Caulder Disguise Kit." It takes awhile to grow, but you can take it on or off right from the start.

LOL

This discussion makes me think, we should really have an All-Doom Patrol thread either in this forum of Gym'll's. There's DP threads in Gy'mll's, but they're about the versions from the last 15 years.

I do believe I shall start one right now...

And there's always an Animal Vegetable Mineral Man quiz thread to do for Spaceopoly.

His dad wasn't a very good role model either...

Then you have Jericho in Games, who had like 8 girlfriends simultaneously. And don't tell me he only saw them as friends! He left an answering machine message on each of their phones when the Titans were gathering their loved ones!

Go for it, Thoth, go for it!

Well, there's the whole "she brainwashed him" thing to consider, there...

That's just a cover for his Blue Valley brain falling for the first daughter of a demon to flutter her eyelashes at him, on all four eyes.

Hmmm... and Frances Kane was accused of being possessed by a demon.

I am sensing a pattern here...

Imagine Wally's confused disappointment when she wasn't really possessed at all, but just had a horrid mother and magnetic powers. Now, Raven was the real deal... but how to reconcile his attraction with his conservative upbringing? Ah, the old "I've been brainwashed. Lots" trick.

What about that whiny Titan of Myth guy, Coeus, who basically went along with the other Titans rewriting Donna's memories and brainwashing her into subservience as the new goddess of the moon.

Which also pretty much doubles as raping her since she never consented until after they messed with her mind. And he's STILL portrayed as sympathetic.

I got that creepy rape vibe when I recently read that storyline for the first time, as well....

I picked up on the vibes with Coeus after finding out about the New Teen Titans story where Hyperion was brainwashing Donna into loving him.

I don't think I've read the Coeus one, but I did remember the Hyperion one as being very creepy when I read that.

I thought Sarky referred to the Hyperion one as well, but I couldn't remember the name. If you're saying it happened a second time, that's pretty damn disturbing.

I had to revive this old thread to point out that her post-Terry rebound was Kyle Raynor, who admitted he had a poster of her in his bedroom when he was a teenager. Pretty gross adolescent groupie fantasy vibe from that one, as well.

BF, that's a LOL if I've ever seen one!

Donna the Cougar. Meeeee-OWW!

And I'll bet Kyle's favorite song around 5th or 6th grade was The Outfield's "Your Love," about the guy who likes his women "...a little bit older."

Actually Donna and Kyle were the same age back in the post-crisis pre-nu52 dcu

Eh.

Continuity, shmontinuity.

Let's have more Donna the Cougar jokes instead.

A problem with Donna being a cougar is finding a DC partner for her that's not emotionally stunted. Finding a writer who isn't, is a related problem.

Thoth, LOL

How about Ronnie Raymond? He's always had crushes on older women (Power Girl, Wonder Woman...)

Oh, wait, that would turn Martin Stein into the ultimate Peeping Tom. Back to square one...

I reckon that it's Firestorm as an entity that characters find attractive. The body of a youthful athlete, but with an impulsiveness combined with mature intelligence. Stein is smart, but flawed in relationships. Raymond is a kid, but trying to do the right thing. It's together that they combine into something better. Somewhere that both men can work out their issues together. There was a subplot where Raymond was becoming smarter through his linking with Stein. Stein may have also been getting better at a number of things too. That would have been interesting to see continue.

What about Jimmy Olsen? He's gets involved in all sorts of extrovert mischief from often introverted beginnings. He thrives as a weirdness magnet. He'd forget about Lucy in a heartbeat if Donna came along.

I've been trying to think of a reply, but all I keep coming up with is that tasteless, witless scene in Morrison/Quitely's "JLA Earth 2" graphic novel involving Superwoman and Jimmy Olsen and the broom closet.

Sorry, Thoth, I guess it's cause I've been under a bit of stress.

Maybe I should do another Those 70s Titans vignette, that'd cheer me up, and hopefully entertain some people as well.

It was going through my mind as I was typing. I forced it out, by thinking of Jimmy trying on the hats from his chest of hats Who isn't going to fall for that?

Even as awkward as the Star-Spangled Kid's macking on her on the Monitor's satellite was, he still would've been better than Terry Long!

That was just after Star Spangled Kid (I tried SS-Kid to be lazy, but I'll not be doing that again. Right up there with A-SS for All-Star Squadron. What is wrong with these writers...) got the brush off from Jonni Thunder wasn't it? He looked a lot younger than her too in this one, but I think they had some sort of relationship in Infinity.

Notes on this scene:-

Star Spangled Kid was told about Donna by the JLA because... they are all total gossips.
By declaring her marriage here, Wolfman is sneakily getting himself into the story through his proxy character.
Wonder Girl would later to go into the Warp Zone to rescue Terry.
But with all time becoming as one, Terry had already picked up younger women from across history.
The resulting spin off book proposal, "Long's Legion of Lovelies" was vetoed by nearly everyone at the company.
In a cut scene, Perez tried to show the AM ask the heroes at the dawn of time to at least let him rid the multiverse of Terry Long, but Wolfman stopped it.
As the characters had to remember the old universe to give Crisis meaning, so Terry Long must survive or how else could Marv know about the event to write it?
Terry Long's trans-temporal pick up mobile survived the Crisis and is now a creepier version of the Cosmic Treadmill.
Terry Long's chest medallion, with its memories of the multiverse, would become the Medusa Medallion and launch Crisis 2.

Yeah, he literally turns around after making Jonni Thunder super-uncomfortable and then hits on Donna!

Star-spangled Kid and Terry for battle of the creeps!

I never really liked Terry, but finding out that he was an author insert for Marv Wolfman made it so much creepier!