Legion World
Posted By: Emily Sivana Bat-Villain Idol - 10/10/15 09:36 PM
As I said in the 2015 Tournament threads, I am going to start an Idol this month. I will most likely adopt the rules Invisible Brainiac used in previous games (and I will post them when I find the most recent Idol thread). This game will be a little different than previous ones because:

1) There are a lot of Bat-Villains.
2) There are two or three versions of the most popular Bat-Villain.
3) We need to decide whether or not to include versions in other media ( primarily movies, TV, video games).

My Definitions of Comic Book Ages
The Batman titles are largely untouched by changes in comic book ages. There are subtle changes evident in art styles (such as Sprang for the Silver Age and Neal Adams for the Bronze Age), but unlike Superman there is no definite issue that signifies the end of an era. I will use Batman: The Ultimate Guide to the Dark Knight's definition of the Silver Age starting with Showcase #4, the introduction of Barry Allen.

Golden Age: 1939-1956
Silver Age: 1956- 1970
Bronze Age: 1970- 1996
Pre-New 52: 1996-2010 (?)
Modern: The current version of the character

I'm only using Ages to annotate if there are more than one well-known difference.

Name Version
The Monk
Killer Croc Modern
Killer Croc Bronze
The Joker Modern
The Joker Silver Age
Firefly
Bane Modern
Calendar Man Silver Age
Calendar Man Modern
Catman Silver Age
Catman Pre-New 52
Bane Bronze Age
Catwoman Silver Age
Catwoman Golden Age
Catwoman Modern
Condiment King
Deadshot Bronze Age
Harley Quinn Pre-New 52
Killer Moth
Mad-Hatter Modern
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze Modern
Mister Freeze Bronze Age
Mister Freeze Silver Age
Music Meister
The Penguin Modern
The Penguin Silver Age
Poison Ivy Modern
Poison Ivy Silver Age
Polka-Dot Man
Red Hood Silver Age
Red Hood Modern
The Riddler Modern
The Riddler Silver Age
Ra's Al-Ghul
Talia Al Ghul
The Scarecrow
Black Mask
Clayface I (Karlo) Golden Age
Clayface (Karlo) Modern
Clayface II (Hagen) Silver Age
Clayface III (Payne) Bronze Age
Clayface IV (Fuller) Modern
Hush
Mr.Zsasz
Two-Face Modern
Two-Face Golden Age
Kite-Man
The Eraser
Crazy Quilt
The Ventriloquist
Film Freak
Anarky
Ratcatcher
Tally Man I
Tally Man II
The Spook
The Cavalier
Captain Stingaree
Ventriloquist II (female)
Electrocutioner
Electrocutioner II
Electrocutioner III
Dr. Hurt
Prof. Pyg
David Cain
KGBeast
False Face
Hugo Strange
Rupert Thorne
Dr. Phosphorous
Holiday
Copperhead
Blockbuster
Blockbuster II
Queen of Hearts
Joe Chill
The Reaper
Carmine Falcone
Sal Maroni
Lew Moxon
Boss Zucco
Nightslayer
Nocturna
Abattoir
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Crime Doctor
Doctor Double X
King Snake
The Outsider
Ubu
The Wrath
Black Spider
Black Spider II
The Outsider
Sterling Silversmith
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf (Anthony Lupus)
Ten-Eyed Man
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Signalman
Professor Milo
Orca
NKVDemon
Magpie
Firebug
Cornelius Stirk
Amygdala
Prometheus
Cluemaster
Charaxes
Lord Death Man

This list is not yet complete. Please feel free to make suggestions to add for the final list.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/10/15 11:43 PM
Hi Emily, I'm happy that you're running this. Promises to be a lot of fun.

Here's the link to the most recent Idol that I've run - JLIdol. Please feel free to ask me about the rules, rationale, etc. First 2 rounds are when the list massively shrinks because I usually impose a fairly high cut-off for making it to the next round.

Thanks again for doing this and I'm happy you're adapting my rules.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/11/15 05:05 PM
Hi Emily,

I notice you have Two Face Goden Age and Two Face Modern but no Two Face Bronze Age (for example). A few other characters such as Poison Ivy and Mr Freeze are also missing versions of their characters that were quite different to the ones listed.

As for missing villains; off the top of my head:

Film Freak
Anarky
Ratcatcher
Tally Man I
Tally Man II
The Spook
The Cavalier
Captain Stingaree

I could keep going but I just remembered that Wikipedia has a fairly extensive list of them:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman_Family_adversaries
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/11/15 07:19 PM
Thanks, I will add them to the list. How many appearances did the Spook and Captain Stingaree have? I'm a little bit hesitant in including characters that have less than two appearances out of fear that this list could be in the thousands.

What is the difference between Bronze Age Two-Face and Modern Two-Face? (I'm being honest here as I'm only 24 years old.)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/12/15 01:34 AM
I think that the main difference with Bronze Age Two-Face is that he had a kid - Duela Dent. This has since been retconned out

The Spook had a few appearances before being dramatically beheaded by Damian Wayne (and I mean 3)

Captain Stingaree has appeared more - largely in the background of large super villain montages

What about people like Cluemaster (who is more famous by being the father of Spoiler)?

Some of the characters - like Dr. Moon and Clock King - were introduced in Batman but become larger elsewhere in the DCU ... I think that's an argument to keeping them off your list
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/12/15 01:35 AM
By the way, this looks interesting. I can't wait to see the rules!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
I think that the main difference with Bronze Age Two-Face is that he had a kid - Duela Dent. This has since been retconned out...


Did that fact make Two-Face's personality or powers significantly different than the previous and most recent versions?

I left Duela off the initial list because she seems to be more of a Teen Titans Villain. If anyone has any objections to that, please let me know.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 02:17 AM
Duela is totally a Titans villain so I support your judgment

The different eras didn't change Two-Face's powers, but I have to defer to others more expert in Bat stuff.

From me recollection, his personality in the Bronze Age was definitely a major player in terms of supervillainy - would not be out of place against the JLA (whereas I think only Joker could still do that of the majority of Bat Villains)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 02:31 AM
One thing I remember about Captain Stingaree is he was revealed to be gay and in a relationship with Cavalier. This was off-panel though but it kind of etablishes him as a presence.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 01:03 PM
There were two bronze age Mad Hatters, Tectch and the imposter. One looked like the Lewis Carol version, and one looked like the Golden age one.

Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 02:00 PM
Ventriloquist II (female)
Electrocutioner
Dr. Hurt
Prof. Pyg
David Cain
KGBeast
False Face
Hugo Strange
Rupert Thorne
Dr. Phosphorous
Holiday
Copperhead
Blockbuster
Blockbuster II
Queen of Hearts
Joe Chill
The Reaper
Carmine Falcone
Sal Maroni
Lew Moxon
Boss Zucco
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 04:00 PM
In the Bronze Age, Two-Face was my favourite Bat-villain. In the pre-New 52 era, I found him just sort of ho-hum. But I can't think of what changed about him to make me think that way. His look and personality haven't really changed all that much. Maybe it was just me that changed?

Bronze Age Poison Ivy is totally different to pre-New 52 / Modern Age Poison Ivy though. Same with the Mr Freezes.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 04:48 PM
Nightslayer
Nocturna
Abattoir
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Black Spider
Calculator
Composite Superman
Crime Doctor
Doctor Double X
King Snake
The Outsider
Ubu
The Wrath
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/13/15 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Blacula
In the Bronze Age, Two-Face was my favourite Bat-villain. In the pre-New 52 era, I found him just sort of ho-hum. But I can't think of what changed about him to make me think that way. His look and personality haven't really changed all that much. Maybe it was just me that changed?



It's because they keep writing the same Two-Face stories over and over again. I used to think he was great too, but there's not a lot new done with the character.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/14/15 01:05 AM
Black Spider- Isn't he more of a JSA/Seven Soldiers of Victory Enemy? I recall that he was created Post-Crisis to fill Green Arrow's spot and he betrayed the team. Please correct me if I am wrong or if there are multiple versions of this character?
Calculator- Both versions or just Pre-New 52?
Composite Superman- How many appearances did he have?
The Outsider- How many appearances did he have?
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/14/15 03:17 AM
You're thinking of "I Spider", Black Spider was a lethal vigilante type from the 70s and 80s. He was reimagined as Suicide Squsd fodder in the new 52.

The Outsider appeared multiple times in the 60s, and then again years later in an issue of DC Comics Presents.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/16/15 01:33 AM
I updated the list with most of the suggestions above. However, I will need more details as to Bronze Age Poison Ivy and Mister Freeze before I will add them to the system. I hope to start the game by 10/26/2015.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/16/15 03:06 AM
I think you could make a case for Bronze Age & Pre-52 Killer Crocs being significantly different. One was a gangster with a skin condition, the other was much more animalistic and portrayed as a metahuman.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/16/15 03:09 AM
During the Super Powers era (Bronze Age), Freeze was upgraded with his power suit instead of the fish bowl helmet, that also gave him super strength. Later in the Pre-52 Era, his entire backstory and motivation changed to be more in line with the cartoon.

Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/16/15 03:16 AM
Sorry, not trying to spam. I still think you need the "imposter" Mad Hatter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Hatter_%28comics%29

The difference between Ivy versions are that in earlier appearances she's just a crazed botanist, but eventually she actually gains metahuman powers to control plants. But it's hard to tell when that shift actually happens.

Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/17/15 04:04 AM
More villains (all of whom made multiple appearances as far as I know):

* Tony Zucco (or is this the same as Boss Zucco?)
* Sterling Silversmith
* Sal Maroni
* Electrocutioner II
* Electrocutioner III
* Black Spider II
* Henri Ducard
* Fox (Terrible Trio)
* Shark (Terrible Trio)
* Vulture (Terrible Trio)
* Werewolf (Anthony Lupus)
* Ten-Eyed Man
* Spellbinder I
* Spellbinder II
* Signalman
* Professor Milo
* Orca
* NKVDemon
* Magpie
* Firebug
* Egghead
* Dr Death
* Cornelius Stirk
* Amygdala
* Owlman
* Prometheus
* Cluemaster
* Charaxes
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/17/15 04:26 AM
Original flavour Poison Ivy and post-90s Poison Ivy may as well be two different characters.

Original: http://www.comics.org/issue/20087/cover/4/

Post-90s: http://www.comics.org/issue/534894/cover/4/

Other than looking almost completely different, the modern one is much more highly sexualised, much more powerful, and is much more frequently portrayed as semi-heroic these days (despite the fact that she has killed hundreds of people).
Posted By: Eryk Davis Ester Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/17/15 05:42 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula
In the Bronze Age, Two-Face was my favourite Bat-villain. In the pre-New 52 era, I found him just sort of ho-hum. But I can't think of what changed about him to make me think that way. His look and personality haven't really changed all that much. Maybe it was just me that changed?


I'm not sure about this, but isn't it the case that Bronze Age portrayals tended to have his split personality solely due to his disfigurement, while more modern portrayals tend to have it that he that he was always struggling with the second personality, but that the disfigurement sent him completely over the edge?
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/17/15 07:59 AM
^ I think you're definitely right about that EDE. I don't think that tweak to his background would have affected my impression of Two-Face all that much, but it was a difference.

This is one of the earliest comics that explored Two-Face's new background by the way (and, as I recall, it was actually a really good story):

http://www.comics.org/issue/102160/cover/4/
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/17/15 03:21 PM
I'll add Silver Age Poison Ivy to the list because she debutted in 1966 and I consider Silver Age for Batman to end at 1970, which is when Neal Adams started illustrating the title and grittier stories began.

In regards to Mister Freeze, was that portrayal during the Bronze Age only in the TV show or also in the comics?

Dr.Death- Did he appear in Grant Morrison's run?
Owlman- I assume Modern Age version? The Silver Age version was basically a JLA villain.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/17/15 05:12 PM
Dr Death was the first super-villain Batman ever fought and the first villain he fought more than once.

He didn't appear during Grant Morrison's run but you've just reminded me of someone who did:

Lord Death Man
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/18/15 12:58 PM
Freeze wore the Super Powers suit for a little while, most notably when the Joker killed him in the second Robin Mini-series(he got better), so it's in continuity.

While Prometheus was designed as an Anti-Batman, I'd still peg him as more of a JLA villain. Unless of course you're trying to lure Sarcasm Kid into the tournament, then by all means add him wink .

Owlman's a tough one, not only because of all his variations, but because he's mostly in JLA stories, unless you mean the Roy Rayomd one, who wasn't a villain per se.

I had Sterling Silversmith in mind, but had no idea he appeared more than once.

Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/18/15 01:25 PM
Original flavour Owlman and Prometheus were definitely more JLA villains, though I guess you could say they were Batman villains too since they seemed to go up against him more often than not in those stories (being sort of anti-Batmen).

But I'm fine with leaving them out. I just sort of threw them in there in case they'd popped up in Batman stories since I stopped reading them.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/19/15 11:37 PM
I'll add Bronze Age Miser Freeze and Lord Death Man to the list. If there are any other missing villains, please let me know by next Monday.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/24/15 02:53 PM
Friendly Reminder: The game starts on 10/26/2015. Please submit any suggestions for the list before 10/26/2015 at 7:00 P.M Central Time.

These rules have been adapted from the Rules for Justice League Idol per the permission of Invisible Brainiac.

Official Bat-Villain Idol Rules

The concept of an Idol game is that players get to vote for their favorite characters, instead of voting for the characters they most want off the list. This is based on overall popularity, and has nothing to do with stats.

Players have to rank their faves. The higher the rank, the more points a character gets. So your rank 1 might get 10 points, but rank 2 only gets 8, and so on.

Arkham Asylum Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of other circumstances. I will push dates when there is a major holiday coming up.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't actively encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have multiple versions,please specify which character you are voting for.

Please define characters by Ages if there is more than one known version.

Guide to the Bat-Ages
Golden Age- Any character created in between 1939 and 1956. 1939 being the year that Batman debuted, and 1956 being the year Barry Allen was introduced to reader. As many of the stories take place before the introduction of censorship in comics, many of the villains were more violent than in later ages.
Silver Age- Any character created in between 1956 and 1970. This era is defined by the influence of the "Batman" TV show which aired in the 1960s. Villains were a bit more relaxed in their antics, and significantly less violent than their Golden Age counterparts. Original villains during this era usually centered around a gimmick, such as Ancient Egypt.
Bronze Age-Any character created in between 1970 and 1996. 1970 was the year artist Neal Adams started illustrating the comic books, and editors encouraged a more realistic approach to Batman stories. Villains became increasingly more threatening and violent as outside censorship, known as the Comics Code, was loosened and finally left off of the comics altogether.
Pre-52 - Any character created in between 1996 and 2010(?). In 1996, Grant Morrison started writing books such as The Flash and Justice League with a more relaxed tone than the Bronze Age. This era ended when DC hard rebooted their entire comic book line in 2010.
Modern- The most current version of the character that has been published. This may overlap with Bronze Age/Pre-52, so only use the above descriptors if there are significant differences between those versions and the Modern one.

This pre-game round is to allow us to finalize the list of characters for the game. For obvious reasons, once we get past the first couple of rounds we can't just add characters to the list smile If you have any characters/realities you want to add, post here. Because the first rounds usually see massive eliminations, I'll be lenient in allowing characters to be added.

The only criterion is the character has to be considered a Bat-Villain. Villains that immigrated from other heroe's pantheons are welcome if they are currently most known as a Bat-Villain. Villains that primarily appeared as antagonists against Batman as his role as a Justice League member are considered Justice League Villains. Besides, we have to save something for future Idols.

Important Remaining Questions

1) Someone suggested Egghead, but I thought he only appeared in the TV Show. Did he appear in the comics? If not, should we include film/tv/video game versions of the characters?

2) I feel like I'm missing some characters from the Bronze Age (ones associated with Ras Al Ghul). Are any significant characters missing? [color:#6600CC][/color]
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/25/15 03:18 AM
Looks wonderful, Emily. I'm not very knowledgeable on Bat-villains so I can't think of any to add.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/25/15 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana


Important Remaining Questions

1) Someone suggested Egghead, but I thought he only appeared in the TV Show. Did he appear in the comics? If not, should we include film/tv/video game versions of the characters?

2) I feel like I'm missing some characters from the Bronze Age (ones associated with Ras Al Ghul). Are any significant characters missing? [color:#6600CC][/color]


I hope you don't mind, Emily, but I've taken the liberty of alphabetising the list. I was finding it a nightmare to search through for missing characters in the order it was in before.

I've added it to the bottom of this post.

Some comments/questions re: the list and characters:

* I just Googled Egghead and other than some cameo non-continuity appearances, he seems to have just been a TV show character, so no problems with leaving him off

* I notice you didn't add Henri Ducard. Did you maybe think he was just in Batman Begins? He was a comic book character before that. I've added him to the list but feel free to take him off if there was another reason you didn't add him.

* I've also added Dr. Death who is a separate character from Lord Death Man and an important villain in Batman's history. If there was a reason you didn't want him on there though then feel free to remove him.

* Is there a difference between Bane (Pre-New 52) and Bane (Modern Age)? I haven't bought a Batman comic since Morrison left but Bane seemed like one of the more consistent villains to me.

* I notice Music Meister is on the list. Did he appear anywhere other than that one musical episode of the Batman: Brave and Bold cartoon?

* Here are some more missing characters (which I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to add or not): King Tut (another TV show villain but this one did make the transition to comics), Court of Owls, Flamingo (Morrison era villain), Lady Shiva, Brutale (maybe more of a Nightwing villain), Lady Vic (maybe more of a Nightwing villain), James Gordon Jr., Trigger Twins, Dr. Tzin-Tzin, Calculator.

The List:

Abattoir
Amygdala
Anarky
Bane (Modern Age)
Bane (Pre-New 52)
Black Mask
Black Spider I
Black Spider II
Blockbuster I
Blockbuster II
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Captain Stingaree
Carmine Falcone
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Charaxes
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Condiment King
Copperhead
Cornelius Stirk
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
David Cain
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Hurt
Dr. Phosphorous
Electrocutioner I
Electrocutioner II
Electrocutioner III
Eraser
False Face
Film Freak
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn
Henri Ducard
Holiday
Hugo Strange
Hush
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Lew Moxon
Lord Death Man
Mad-Hatter
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Mr. Zsasz
Music Meister
Nightslayer
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Orca
Outsider
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Professor Milo
Professor Pyg
Prometheus
Queen of Hearts
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Reaper
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Rupert Thorne
Sal Maroni
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Tally Man I
Tally Man II
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/25/15 01:52 PM
In the Legion, Titans and JLA Idol games, we included toon versions of the characters. Although, I think toon versions of villains will be less developed than heroes.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/25/15 02:07 PM
1) Flamingo (Morrison era villain)- I need to know how many appearances he had. I never heard of him.

2) Lady Shiva, Dr.Tzin-Tzin, Trigger Twins- Will add to the final list tomorrow

3) Calculator- I assume not the most current version, who was more of a General DCU villain. Was the previous version Silver or Bronze Age?

4) Music Meister- I just assumed he was from a Silver Age story. I'll remove him from the final list.

5) Bane- I assume that Bane changed because of the popularity of the last Batman movie. If this is not the case, I will remove the Age listings and one of the duplicates.

On Media Versions: I could include TV/Movie characters and versions, but I have to know if there is significant overlap between these categories:

1) "Batman" 1960s TV Show and "Batman: The Brave and the Bold"- Do most Silver Age versions overlap with their TV counterparts?
2) "Batman" 1990s franchise- Do most Bronze Age versions overlap with the movie's versions?
3) "Batman Begins"- Do most Modern versions overlap with the movie's versions?

Thank you all for your help.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/25/15 04:55 PM
Not sure how many appearances Flamingo made after Morrison left (if any) but I think he made at least a couple during his run.

Calculator was very much a Batman villain in the Bronze Age. I think it's only since Identity Crisis that he's been more of a DCU villain.

I'm happy to leave the cartoon/TV show/movie versions out. There have been so many! It would just clog up the list.

I would remove the Bane differential. He really hasn't changed all that significantly (if you don't count his dumbing down a bit) since he was introduced.

Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/25/15 04:58 PM
Just remembered Quakemaster as well. I think he was a Batman villain.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/26/15 03:54 AM
This list is so awesome. I miss the good old days where the likes of Maxie Zeus or Calendar Man were the big bads
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 12:17 AM
As is the norm, please vote using a 1 or 0 for this first round.

The List:

Abattoir
Amygdala
Anarky
Bane
Black Mask
Black Spider I
Black Spider II
Blockbuster I
Blockbuster II
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Captain Stingaree
Carmine Falcone
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Charaxes
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Condiment King
Copperhead
Cornelius Stirk
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
David Cain
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Hurt
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Dr. Phosphorous
Electrocutioner I
Electrocutioner II
Electrocutioner III
Eraser
False Face
Film Freak
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn
Henri Ducard
Holiday
Hugo Strange
Hush
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Lew Moxon
Lady Shiva
Lord Death Man
Mad-Hatter
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Mr. Zsasz
Nightslayer
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Orca
Outsider
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Professor Milo
Professor Pyg
Prometheus
Quakemaster
Queen of Hearts
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Reaper
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Rupert Thorne
Sal Maroni
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Tally Man I
Tally Man II
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Trigger Twins
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 12:31 AM
Abattoir-0
Amygdala-1
Anarky-1
Bane-1
Black Mask-1
Black Spider I-0
Black Spider II-0
Blockbuster I-0
Blockbuster II-1
Calendar Man (Modern Age)-1
Calendar Man (Silver Age)-0
Captain Stingaree-0
Carmine Falcone-1
Catman (Pre-New 52)-1
Catman (Silver Age)-0
Catwoman (Golden Age)-1
Catwoman (Modern Age)-1
Catwoman (Silver Age)-0
Cavalier-0
Charaxes-0
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)-1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)-1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)-0
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)-0
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)-0
Cluemaster-0
Condiment King-1
Copperhead-0
Cornelius Stirk-0
Crazy Quilt-0
Crime Doctor-1
David Cain-0
Deadshot- 1
Dr. Death- 0
Dr. Double X- 0
Dr. Hurt- 0
Dr. Tzin-Tzin- 0
Dr. Phosphorous- 1
Electrocutioner I- 0
Electrocutioner II-0
Electrocutioner III- 0
Eraser-1
False Face-0
Film Freak-2
Firebug-1
Firefly-1
Fox (Terrible Trio)-0
Harley Quinn-1
Henri Ducard-0
Holiday-1
Hugo Strange-1
Hush-0
Joe Chill-1
Joker (Modern Age)-1
Joker (Silver Age)-1
KGBeast-0
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)-0
Killer Croc (Modern Age)-1
Killer Moth-0
King Snake-0
Kite-Man-0
Lew Moxon-0
Lady Shiva-1
Lord Death Man-1
Mad-Hatter- 1
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)- 0
Magpie-0
Man-Bat-1
Maxie Zeus-0
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)-1
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)-1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)-1
Monk-1
Mr. Zsasz-0
Nightslayer-0
NKVDemon-0
Nocturna-1
Orca-1
Outsider-0
Penguin (Modern Age)-1
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)-1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)-1
Polka-Dot Man-0
Professor Milo-0
Professor Pyg-0
Prometheus-0
Quakemaster-0
Queen of Hearts-1
Ra's Al-Ghul-1
Ratcatcher-0
Reaper-0
Red Hood (Modern Age)-0
Red Hood (Silver Age)-1
Riddler (Modern Age)- 1
Riddler (Silver Age)-1
Rupert Thorne-0
Sal Maroni-1
Scarecrow-1
Shark (Terrible Trio)-1
Signalman-0
Spellbinder I-1
Spellbinder II-1
Spook-0
Sterling Silversmith-0
Talia Al Ghul-1
Tally Man I-0
Tally Man II-0
Ten-Eyed Man-0
The Penguin (Silver Age)-1
Tony Zucco
Trigger Twins-0
Tweedledee-1
Tweedledum (Dumfree)-1
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)-0
Two-Face (Golden Age)-1
Two-Face (Modern Age)-1
Ubu-0
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)-1
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)-0
Vulture (Terrible Trio)-0
Werewolf-0
Wrath-0
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 04:20 AM
1 point for the following, 0 points for everyone else.

Have to admit I don'[t know most of these characters!

Anarky
Bane
Black Mask
Captain Stingaree
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Harley Quinn
Holiday
Hugo Strange
Hush
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
King Snake
Lady Shiva
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Man-Bat
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nocturna
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Queen of Hearts
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Talia Al Ghul
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Trigger Twins
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 12:38 PM
Just a heads up about something I'm sure everyone has already noticed - I forgot to remove "The" from Penguin (Silver Age) so versions of him can be found under both 'P' and 'T'.

1 point for all of these characters. (0 points for all the rest):

Anarky
Black Mask
Black Spider I
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Captain Stingaree
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Dr. Phosphorous
Electrocutioner I
Electrocutioner II
Electrocutioner III
Film Freak
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Joe Chill
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Lord Death Man
Mad-Hatter
Mad-Hatter(Impostor)
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Nightslayer
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Orca
Outsider
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Quakemaster
Queen of Hearts
Ratcatcher
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Trigger Twins
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 12:50 PM
Abattoir - 1
Amygdala - 0
Anarky -1
Bane - 1
Black Mask -1
Black Spider I -1
Black Spider II -0
Blockbuster I - 1
Blockbuster II - 0
Calendar Man (Modern Age) -1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) -1
Captain Stingaree -0
Carmine Falcone - 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 1
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) -1
Catwoman (Modern Age) -1
Catwoman (Silver Age) -1
Cavalier -1
Charaxes -0
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) -1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) -1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -1
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) -1
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) -1
Cluemaster -1
Condiment King -0
Copperhead -1
Cornelius Stirk -1
Crazy Quilt -1
Crime Doctor -1
David Cain -1
Deadshot -1
Dr. Death -1
Dr. Double X -1
Dr. Hurt -1
Dr. Tzin-Tzin -1
Dr. Phosphorous -1
Electrocutioner I -1
Electrocutioner II -0
Electrocutioner III -0
Eraser -0
False Face -0
Film Freak -0
Firebug -0
Firefly -1
Fox (Terrible Trio) -1
Harley Quinn -1
Henri Ducard -1
Holiday -1
Hugo Strange -1
Hush -0
Joe Chill -1
Joker (Modern Age)-1
Joker (Silver Age) -1
KGBeast -1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -1
Killer Croc (Modern Age) -1
Killer Moth -1
King Snake -1
Kite-Man -1
Lew Moxon -1
Lady Shiva -1
Lord Death Man -1
Mad-Hatter -1
Mad-Hatter(Imposter) -1
Magpie -1
Man-Bat -1
Maxie Zeus -1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -1
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) -1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -1
Monk -1
Mr. Zsasz -1
Nightslayer -1
NKVDemon -0
Nocturna -1
Orca -0
Outsider -1
Penguin (Modern Age) -1
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) -1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -1
Polka-Dot Man -0
Professor Milo -0
Professor Pyg -1
Prometheus -0
Quakemaster -0
Queen of Hearts -1
Ra's Al-Ghul -1
Ratcatcher -1
Reaper -1
Red Hood (Modern Age) -1
Red Hood (Silver Age) -1
Riddler (Modern Age) -1
Riddler (Silver Age) -1
Rupert Thorne -1
Sal Maroni -1
Scarecrow -1
Shark (Terrible Trio) -1
Signalman -0
Spellbinder I -0
Spellbinder II -0
Spook -1
Sterling Silversmith -1
Talia Al Ghul -0
Tally Man I -0
Tally Man II -0
Ten-Eyed Man -0
The Penguin (Silver Age) -1
Tony Zucco -1
Trigger Twins -0
Tweedledee -1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -1
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) -0
Two-Face (Golden Age) -1
Two-Face (Modern Age) -1
Ubu -1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -1
Ventriloquist II (Peyton) -0
Vulture (Terrible Trio) -1
Werewolf -0
Wrath -1
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 01:51 PM
Is there a limit to how many 1's I can have?
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 03:22 PM
Thanks for all the effort in setting this one up:-

Ones for the following. Zero for the rest.

Black Mask
Black Spider I
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Charaxes
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Dr. Phosphorous
Electrocutioner I
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nightslayer
Nocturna
Outsider
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Professor Pyg
Quakemaster
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Trigger Twins
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath


EDIT: Removed Calendar Man (Modern Age) - I've no idea who he is. I must have been thinking abut The Calculator for a moment.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 05:06 PM
1 for these, 0 for the rest

Anarky
Black Mask
Black Spider I
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Captain Stingaree
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Cavalier
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Condiment King
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Double X
Dr. Phosphorous
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn
Henri Ducard
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Lady Shiva
Lord Death Man
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mr. Zsasz
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Outsider
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Prometheus
Ra's Al-Ghul
Reaper
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder II
Talia Al Ghul
Tally Man II
Ten-Eyed Man
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Wrath
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 05:28 PM
1 for the following

Bane
Black Spider I
Black Spider II
Blockbuster I
Blockbuster II
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Phosphorous
False Face
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn
Henri Ducard
Hugo Strange
Hush
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Outsider
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Quakemaster
Queen of Hearts
Ra's Al-Ghul
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Rupert Thorne
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Trigger Twins
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)


0 for those left out
Posted By: Future Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 05:46 PM
1 point for each of the following:

Bane
Black Mask
Blockbuster II
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Carmine Falcone
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Electrocutioner I
Electrocutioner II
Firefly
Harley Quinn
Hugo Strange
Hush
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
Killer Moth
Lady Shiva
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Mr. Zsasz
Nightslayer
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Professor Milo
Professor Pyg
Prometheus
Ra's Al-Ghul
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Rupert Thorne
Scarecrow
Talia Al Ghul
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 06:08 PM
Wow, I'm the only one voting for Dr. Hurt so far. Not a lot of Morrison fans I guess.
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/27/15 06:57 PM
Abattoir - 0
Amygdala - 0
Anarky - 1
Bane - 1
Black Mask - 1
Black Spider I - 1
Black Spider II - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Blockbuster II - 1
Calendar Man (Modern Age) - 0
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Captain Stingaree - 1
Carmine Falcone - 0
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 1
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Modern Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Charaxes - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) - 1
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) - 0
Cluemaster - 1
Condiment King - 0
Copperhead - 1
Cornelius Stirk - 0
Crazy Quilt - 1
Crime Doctor - 1
David Cain - 0
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Death - 1
Dr. Double X - 1
Dr. Hurt - 0
Dr. Tzin-Tzin - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Electrocutioner I - 1
Electrocutioner II - 1
Electrocutioner III - 1
Eraser - 1
False Face - 1
Film Freak - 1
Firebug - 1
Firefly - 1
Fox (Terrible Trio) - 1
Harley Quinn - 1
Henri Ducard - 0
Holiday - 0
Hugo Strange - 1
Hush - 1
Joe Chill - 1
Joker (Modern Age) - 0
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
KGBeast - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Modern Age) - 0
Killer Moth - 1
King Snake - 1
Kite-Man - 1
Lew Moxon - 0
Lady Shiva - 1
Lord Death Man - 0
Mad-Hatter - 1
Mad-Hatter(Imposter) - 0
Magpie - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) - 0
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 1
Mr. Zsasz - 1
Nightslayer - 1
NKVDemon - 1
Nocturna - 1
Orca - 1
Outsider - 1
Penguin (Modern Age) - 0
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) - 0
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Polka-Dot Man - 1
Professor Milo - 1
Professor Pyg - 0
Prometheus - 1
Quakemaster - 1
Queen of Hearts - 0
Ra's Al-Ghul - 1
Ratcatcher - 1
Reaper - 1
Red Hood (Modern Age) - 0
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Modern Age) - 0
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Rupert Thorne - 0
Sal Maroni - 0
Scarecrow - 1
Shark (Terrible Trio) - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Spellbinder II - 1
Spook - 1
Sterling Silversmith - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tally Man I - 1
Tally Man II - 1
Ten-Eyed Man - 1
The Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Tony Zucco - 0
Trigger Twins - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Two-Face (Modern Age) - 0
Ubu - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
Ventriloquist II (Peyton) - 1
Vulture (Terrible Trio) - 1
Werewolf - 1
Wrath - 1
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/28/15 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Wow, I'm the only one voting for Dr. Hurt so far. Not a lot of Morrison fans I guess.


I liked Dr. Hurt. (And I loved Morrison's run.)

I'm not sure why I didn't vote for him. My tastes skew older school so I think I just skipped over him while I was skipping over most of the other post-Didio characters.

I'm surprised other people didn't vote for him though.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 02:11 AM
I am very exhausted, so I will tabulate the votes sometime tomorrow. I estimate the next round will start tomorrow night US Central Time.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 03:00 AM
I think it reflects my thoughts on that run really. I did put in a vote for Pyg, just to give it something.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 02:10 PM
These are the results of the First Round:

Black Mask 8
Catwoman (Modern Age) 8
Dr. Phosphorous 8
Joe Chill 8
Mad-Hatter 8
Man-Bat 8
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 8
Riddler (Silver Age) 8
Scarecrow 8
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 8
Catman (Pre-New 52) 7
Catwoman (Golden Age) 7
Deadshot 7
Hugo Strange 7
Joker (Silver Age) 7
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 7
Nocturna 7
The Penguin (Silver Age) 7
Two-Face (Modern Age) 7
Anarky 6
Catwoman (Silver Age) 6
Cavalier 6
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 6
Cluemaster 6
Copperhead 6
Crazy Quilt 6
Crime Doctor 6
Firefly 6
Harley Quinn 6
Joker (Modern Age) 6
KGBeast 6
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 6
Killer Moth 6
Lady Shiva 6
Maxie Zeus 6
Ra's Al-Ghul 6
Shark (Terrible Trio) 6
Talia Al Ghul 6
Tweedledee 6
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 6
Two-Face (Golden Age) 6
Bane 5
Black Spider I 5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 5
Dr. Double X 5
Electrocutioner I 5
Fox (Terrible Trio) 5
King Snake 5
Magpie 5
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 5
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 5
Nightslayer 5
Outsider 5
Queen of Hearts 5
Red Hood (Silver Age) 5
Signalman 5
Spellbinder I 5
Wrath 5
Blockbuster I 4
Captain Stingaree 4
Catman (Silver Age) 4
Dr. Death 4
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 4
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 4
Kite-Man 4
Lord Death Man 4
Monk 4
Mr. Zsasz 4
Penguin (Modern Age) 4
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 4
Riddler (Modern Age) 4
Spook 4
Sterling Silversmith 4
Ten-Eyed Man 4
Tony Zucco 4
Trigger Twins 4
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 4
Blockbuster II 3
Calendar Man (Modern Age) 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 3
Carmine Falcone 3
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 3
Electrocutioner II 3
Film Freak 3
Firebug 3
Holiday 3
Hush 3
NKVDemon 3
Orca 3
Professor Pyg 3
Prometheus 3
Quakemaster 3
Ratcatcher 3
Reaper 3
Red Hood (Modern Age) 3
Spellbinder II 3
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 3
Ubu 3
Ventriloquist II (Peyton) 3
Werewolf 3
Charaxes 2
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 2
Condiment King 2
Dr. Hurt 2
Electrocutioner III 2
Eraser 2
Henri Ducard 2
Mad-Hatter(Imposter) 2
Polka-Dot Man 2
Professor Milo 2
Rupert Thorne 2
Sal Maroni 2
Tally Man II 2
Abattoir 1
Amygdala 1
Black Spider II 1
Cornelius Stirk 1
David Cain 1
False Face 1
Lew Moxon 1
Tally Man I 1

My initial plan was to eliminate all the contestants that got 0 votes. As that did not happen, are there any objections to me eliminating everyone that got only one point?
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 02:43 PM
No objection on my part
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 03:32 PM
I'm fine with it.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 06:50 PM
Hi,

No problems here.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/29/15 07:10 PM
Go For it.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 12:27 AM
Same, no problems here.

And who knew Black Mask, Joe Chill and Dr. Phosphorous would be at the top of the list?
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 01:56 AM
Departing From the Contest at this time:

Abattoir
Amygdala
Black Spider II
Cornelius Stirk
David Cain
False Face
Lew Moxon
Tally Man I

Since According to my math, we could have eliminated up to 15 characters and still maintain a healthy candidate pool, the second round will also have 0s and 1s.

I still have a feeling other villains are missing from this list. If anyone has Encyclopedias, Who's Who's, or Archives handy, please look through them when you have a minute. The characters in Who's Who's have a minimum of 3 appearances, which is where I get this Idol's standard from. I kind of want to make any last minute additions end next round.

Anarky
Bane
Black Mask
Black Spider II
Blockbuster I
Blockbuster II
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Captain Stingaree
Carmine Falcone
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Charaxes
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Condiment King
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Hurt
Dr. Phosphorous
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Electrocutioner I
Electrocutioner II
Electrocutioner III
Eraser
Film Freak
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn
Henri Ducard
Holiday
Hugo Strange
Hush
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Lord Death Man
Mad-Hatter
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Mr. Zsasz
Music Meister
Nightslayer
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Orca
Outsider
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Professor Milo
Professor Pyg
Prometheus
Queen of Hearts
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Reaper
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Rupert Thorne
Sal Maroni
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Tally Man II
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 02:21 AM
0s for anyone not listed.

Anarky- 1
Bane-1
Black Mask-1
Blockbuster II- 1
Calendar Man (Modern)- 1
Carmine Falcone- 1
Catman (Pre-New 52)- 1
Catwoman (Golden Age)- 1
Catwoman (Modern)- 1
Catwoman (Silver Age)- 1
Clayface (Karlo) Modern- 1
Clayface I (Karlo) Golden Age- 1
Condiment King- 1
Crime Doctor- 1
Dr. Hurt- 1
Dr. Phosphorous- 1
Electrocutioner- 1
Film Freak- 1
Firebug- 1
Firefly- 1
Harley Quinn- 1
Holiday- 1
Hugo Strange- 1
Hush- 0
Joe Chill- 1
Killer Croc (Modern Age) - 1
Mad-Hatter (Modern Age)- 1
Man-Bat- 1
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)- 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)- 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)- 1
Mr.Zsasz- 1
Nocturna- 1
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)- 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)- 1
Polka-Dot Man- 1
Queen of Hearts- 1
Red Hood Modern- 1
Red Hood Silver Age- 1
Rupert Thorne- 1
Sal Maroni- 1
Spellbinder I- 1
Spellbinder II- 1
Talia Al Ghul- 1
The Eraser- 1
The Joker (Modern Age)- 1
The Joker (Silver Age)- 1
The Monk- 1
The Penguin (Modern Age)- 1
The Reaper- 1
The Riddler (Modern Age)- 1
The Riddler (Silver Age)- 1
The Scarecrow- 1
The Ventriloquist- 1
The Wrath-1
Tweedledee- 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree)- 1
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)- 1
Two-Face Golden Age- 1
Two-Face Modern- 1
Ventriloquist II (female)- 1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 02:25 AM
Yeah, with the sheer number of Bat-Villains I think we might have missed some. That's one of the hard parts of making an Idol game list when it does not just cover a specific team.

List all the Justice League members? No problem. List all the Justice League villains? hmmm...

Tiger Moth, Silken Spider and Dragon Fly are supposedly Bat-villains...

Not sure if you've used this source already - http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Villains
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 02:28 AM
1 point each for:

Anarky
Bane
Captain Stingaree
Catman Pre-New 52
Catwoman Golden Age
Catwoman Modern
Catwoman Silver Age
Clayface (Karlo) Modern
Clayface II (Hagen) Silver Age
Clayface III (Payne) Bronze Age
Clayface IV (Fuller) Modern
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Deadshot Bronze Age
Dr. Phosphorous
Harley Quinn Pre-New 52
Holiday
Hush
Joe Chill
Killer Croc Bronze
Killer Croc Modern
King Snake
Mad-Hatter Modern
Magpie
Man-Bat
Mister Freeze Modern
Mister Freeze Silver Age
Poison Ivy Modern
Poison Ivy Silver Age
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Talia Al Ghul
The Cavalier
The Joker Silver Age
The Penguin Modern
The Penguin Silver Age
The Riddler Modern
The Riddler Silver Age
The Scarecrow
The Ventriloquist
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face Golden Age
Two-Face Modern
Ubu
Ventriloquist II (female)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 05:00 AM
Wow, great work, Emily!
Is there a limit to how many we can assign points for?

Here's my 1's. O for the rest

Anarky
Black Mask
Black Spider
Calendar Man Silver Age
Captain Stingaree
Catman Pre-New 52
Catwoman Golden Age
Catwoman Silver Age
Condiment King
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot Bronze Age
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn Pre-New 52
Hugo Strange
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Maxie Zeus
Mr.Zsasz
NKVDemon
Prof. Pyg
Ra's Al-Ghul
Red Hood Modern
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder II
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
The Cavalier
The Reaper
The Riddler Silver Age
The Scarecrow
The Wrath
Two-Face Modern
Ubu
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 05:10 AM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
Wow, great work, Emily!
Is there a limit to how many we can assign points for?



I used to set limits in my Idol games because of the long lists, but Emily may have something else in mind.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/30/15 11:47 PM
I am hoping that between characters with 0 and 1 points total (and 2 points if nessecary) we will be able to eliminate at least 14 characters this round. We got 8 players in the first round, so if we eliminate 14 characters total I think we'll be able to move forward without me having to set limits. Otherwise, I will have to set limits next round.

I got the number 14 by dividing 108/8. I think since there are eight players, having the game last a bit longer would be better.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/31/15 12:59 AM
All of these are 1's. The rest zeroes.

Anarky
Bane
Black Mask
Black Spider I
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Modern Age)
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Carmine Falcone
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Hurt
Dr. Phosphorous
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Electrocutioner I
Firefly
Harley Quinn
Henri Ducard
Holiday
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Modern Age)
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Lord Death Man
Mad-Hatter
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Mr. Zsasz
Nightslayer
Nocturna
Outsider
Penguin (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Professor Milo
Professor Pyg
Queen of Hearts
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Reaper
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Rupert Thorne
Sal Maroni
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Wrath
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/31/15 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
I am hoping that between characters with 0 and 1 points total (and 2 points if nessecary) we will be able to eliminate at least 14 characters this round. We got 8 players in the first round, so if we eliminate 14 characters total I think we'll be able to move forward without me having to set limits. Otherwise, I will have to set limits next round.

I got the number 14 by dividing 108/8. I think since there are eight players, having the game last a bit longer would be better.


Cool
Good to know
It's my first time playing
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/31/15 03:20 AM
Anarky - 1
Bane - 1
Black Mask - 1
Black Spider II - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Blockbuster II - 1
Calendar Man (Modern Age) - 0
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Captain Stingaree - 1
Carmine Falcone - 0
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 1
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Modern Age) - 0
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Charaxes - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) - 0
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) - 1
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) - 0
Cluemaster - 1
Condiment King - 0
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 1
Crime Doctor - 1
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Death - 1
Dr. Double X - 1
Dr. Hurt - 0
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Dr. Tzin-Tzin - 1
Electrocutioner I - 1
Electrocutioner II - 1
Electrocutioner III - 1
Eraser - 1
Film Freak - 1
Firebug - 1
Firefly - 1
Fox (Terrible Trio) - 1
Harley Quinn - 1
Henri Ducard - 0
Holiday - 0
Hugo Strange - 1
Hush - 0
Joe Chill - 1
Joker (Modern Age) - 0
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
KGBeast - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Modern Age) - 0
Killer Moth - 1
King Snake - 1
Kite-Man - 1
Lord Death Man - 0
Mad-Hatter - 1
Mad-Hatter(Imposter) - 0
Magpie - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) - 0
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 1
Mr. Zsasz - 1
Music Meister - 1
Nightslayer - 1
NKVDemon - 1
Nocturna - 1
Orca - 1
Outsider - 1
Penguin (Modern Age) - 0
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) - 0
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Polka-Dot Man - 1
Professor Milo - 1
Professor Pyg - 0
Prometheus - 0
Queen of Hearts - 0
Ra's Al-Ghul - 1
Ratcatcher - 1
Reaper - 1
Red Hood (Modern Age) - 0
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Modern Age) - 0
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Rupert Thorne - 0
Sal Maroni - 0
Scarecrow - 1
Shark (Terrible Trio) - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Spellbinder II - 1
Spook - 1
Sterling Silversmith - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tally Man II - 1
Ten-Eyed Man - 1
The Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Tony Zucco - 0
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) - 0
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Two-Face (Modern Age) - 0
Ubu - 0
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
Ventriloquist II (Peyton) - 0
Vulture (Terrible Trio) - 1
Werewolf - 1
Wrath - 1

My list has been updated.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/31/15 06:07 AM
1 point for all of the following characters. 0 points for all of the rest.

Anarky
Black Mask
Black Spider I (Black Spider II got eliminated last round, not Black Spider I)
Blockbuster
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Captain Stingaree
Catman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Cluemaster
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Phosphorous
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Electrocutioner
Electrocutioner II
Electrocutioner III
Film Freak
Firebug
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Joe Chill
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Lord Death-Man
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Monk
Nightslayer
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Orca
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Queen of Hearts
Ratcatcher
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Ten-Eyed Man
Tony Zucco
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf (Anthony Lupus)
Wrath
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/31/15 06:14 AM
Emily - I just noticed that you've used the wrong list this round.

This list doesn't include any of the characters that I added to it before the first round i.e Dr Tzin Tzin, Henri Ducard, etc. (and which didn't get voted out last round).

I should have noticed earlier when I was thinking it was strange that Music Meister had been re-added and some of the characters were no longer in alphabetical order.

P.S. The Outsider is on there twice.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 10/31/15 08:40 AM
I was just about to go through the list for this round, but will hold off for the moment in light of Blacula's post.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/01/15 03:40 AM
Sorry guys, I have multiple spreadsheets in Xcel with pretty much the same data.

I'll edit the initial list and replace it with Blacula's minus the losers of the previous round.

You can all edit your votes if you so desire.

Oh, and I saw someone was wondering who the modern Calendar Man is. I would suggest anyone who is interested to check out "The Long Halloween", which is a good description of the modern Calendar Man. He also makes appearances in the Arkham video games.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/01/15 04:24 PM
Ones for the following. Zero for the rest.

Black Mask
Black Spider I
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Charaxes
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Dr. Phosphorous
Electrocutioner I
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nightslayer
Nocturna
Outsider
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Professor Pyg
Quakemaster
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Ten-Eyed Man
The Penguin (Silver Age)
Tony Zucco
Trigger Twins
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 11:56 AM
No change to my votes. If i voted for someone eliminated, please just ignore. Thanks.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana


Oh, and I saw someone was wondering who the modern Calendar Man is. I would suggest anyone who is interested to check out "The Long Halloween", which is a good description of the modern Calendar Man. He also makes appearances in the Arkham video games.


Isn't he the same character as Holiday then?
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 05:22 PM
^ Spoiler for a 20 year old comic...

Wasn't Holiday one of the Falcone sons? And/or Gilda Dent? I don't think Calendar Man was anything other than a red herring.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 06:35 PM
It's been a while but that was my understanding too. I didn't remember there being an actual Calendar Man in that book, just the Holiday killer.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Isn't he the same character as Holiday then?


Soon to be reimagined as Calendar Man's psychotic, hammer wielding side kick Holly Day. smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 09:07 PM
I hear Holly and Harley are set to get their own series in 2016!
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/02/15 09:34 PM
Along with their friends, the indestructible Sally Forth and the Durlan assassin Polly Morph.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/05/15 02:13 AM
Here are the results of the last round:

Sterling Silversmith 7
Black Mask 6
Catman (Pre-New 52) 6
Catwoman (Golden Age) 6
Catwoman (Silver Age) 6
Crime Doctor 6
Dr. Phosphorous 6
Joe Chill 6
Man-Bat 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 6
Talia Al Ghul 6
Tweedledee 6
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 6
Anarky 6
Black Spider 5
Cavalier 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Cluemaster 5
Copperhead 5
Crazy Quilt 5
Deadshot 5
Electrocutioner I 5
Firefly 5
Harley Quinn 5
Hugo Strange 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 5
Killer Moth 5
Mad-Hatter 5
Magpie 5
Maxie Zeus 5
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 5
Nocturna 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 5
Scarecrow 5
Shark (Terrible Trio) 5
Signalman 5
Spellbinder I 5
Two-Face (Golden Age) 5
Ubu 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Wrath 5
Bane 4
Blockbuster I 4
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 4
Captain Stingaree 4
Catman (Silver Age) 4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 4
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 4
Dr. Death 4
Dr. Double X 4
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 4
Fox (Terrible Trio) 4
KGBeast 4
King Snake 4
Mr. Zsasz 4
Nightslayer 4
Professor Pyg 4
Ra's Al-Ghul 4
Ratcatcher 4
Red Hood (Silver Age) 4
Spellbinder II 4
Spook 4
The Penguin (Silver Age) 4
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 4
Two-Face (Modern Age) 4
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 4
Catwoman (Modern Age) 3
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 3
Film Freak 3
Holiday 3
Joker (Silver Age) 3
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 3
Kite-Man 3
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 3
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 3
Monk 3
NKVDemon 3
Outsider 3
Penguin (Modern Age) 3
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 3
Polka-Dot Man 3
Queen of Hearts 3
Reaper 3
Red Hood (Modern Age) 3
Riddler (Modern Age) 3
Tony Zucco 3
Werewolf 3
Blockbuster II 2
Calendar Man (Modern Age) 2
Carmine Falcone 2
Charaxes 2
Dr. Hurt 2
Electrocutioner II 2
Electrocutioner III 2
Eraser 2
Firebug 2
Lord Death Man 2
Orca 2
Professor Milo 2
Sal Maroni 2
Ten-Eyed Man 2
Ventriloquist II (Peyton) 2
Condiment King 1
Henri Ducard 1
Hush 1
Joker (Modern Age) 1
Mad-Hatter(Imposter) 1
Quakemaster 1
Rupert Thorne 1
Trigger Twins 1
Prometheus 0
Tally Man II 0

In order to not have another 1 or 0 round, I am going to eliminate all the candidates that got less than 3 points this round. I am going to start the next round in 24 hours. Please submit any last minute candidates before the next round starts. I can add names later, but it becomes more difficult as the pool gets smaller.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/05/15 06:23 AM
I suggest we hold off on adding villains to the list once we begin the ranking rounds. Adding villains too late may give them a big edge over those who have been part of the list since the first round
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/05/15 01:49 PM
Obviously there have been a tonne of Bat-villains over the years, but I don't see any glaring omissions from the "main" rogues gallery. I'd humbly submit there isn't a need to add anyone else at this stage.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/05/15 10:47 PM
Wow! ten Eyed Man going, just when he's starring in Lash's Fondled or Murdered thread!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/06/15 01:37 AM
As of this round, we will be ranking characters from 1-10. A rank of 1 equals 10 points and 10 equals 1 point.

Anarky
Bane
Black Mask
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Captain Stingaree
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Death
Dr. Double X
Dr. Phosphorous
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Electrocutioner I
Film Freak
Firefly
Fox (Terrible Trio)
Harley Quinn
Holiday
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age)
Killer Moth
King Snake
Kite-Man
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Mr. Zsasz
Nightslayer
NKVDemon
Nocturna
Outsider
Penguin (Modern Age)
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Professor Pyg
Queen of Hearts
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Reaper
Red Hood (Modern Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Modern Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Shark (Terrible Trio)
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spellbinder II
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Tony Zucco
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Two-Face (Modern Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Vulture (Terrible Trio)
Werewolf
Wrath
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/06/15 01:50 AM
Anarky 6
Bane 1
Black Mask 7
Black Spider 8
Blockbuster I 4
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 8
Captain Stingaree 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 8
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Modern Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 4
Cavalier- 9
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)- 7
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)- 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)- 3
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)- 8
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)- 9
Cluemaster 9
Copperhead 8
Crazy Quilt 9
Crime Doctor 2
Deadshot 1
Dr. Death 5
Dr. Double X 10
Dr. Phosphorous 4
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 6
Electrocutioner I 4
Film Freak 4
Firefly 4
Fox (Terrible Trio) 0
Harley Quinn 1
Holiday 3
Hugo Strange 4
Joe Chill 5
Joker (Silver Age) 1
KGBeast 8
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 4
Killer Moth 7
King Snake 10
Kite-Man 6
Mad-Hatter 2
Magpie 7
Man-Bat 5
Maxie Zeus 9
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 5
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 3
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 8
Monk 1
Mr. Zsasz 8
Nightslayer 10
NKVDemon 10
Nocturna 6
Outsider 3
Penguin (Modern Age)
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Polka-Dot Man 4
Professor Pyg 10
Queen of Hearts 10
Ra's Al-Ghul 1
Ratcatcher 8
Reaper 0
Red Hood (Modern Age) 6
Red Hood (Silver Age) 3
Riddler (Modern Age) 1
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Shark (Terrible Trio) 10
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 1
Spellbinder II 3
Spook 10
Sterling Silversmith 10
Talia Al Ghul 1
Tony Zucco 4
Tweedledee 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 1
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 9
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Two-Face (Modern Age) 3
Ubu 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 10
Werewolf 10
Wrath 10

I regret not voting more for the Modern version of Joker.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/06/15 10:33 AM
Oh this is an interesting twist on the rules!



Having trouble voting using my phone so will be back when I can get to a laptop
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/06/15 03:08 PM
Anarky 3
Bane 5
Black Mask 5
Black Spider 4
Blockbuster I 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 9
Captain Stingaree 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 5
Catman (Silver Age) 4
Catwoman (Golden Age) 4
Catwoman (Modern Age) 6
Catwoman (Silver Age) 2
Cavalier 10
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 2
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 1
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 6
Cluemaster 6
Copperhead 3
Crazy Quilt 7
Crime Doctor 4
Deadshot 1
Dr. Death 10
Dr. Double X 9
Dr. Phosphorous 5
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 5
Electrocutioner I 5
Film Freak 6
Firefly 6
Fox (Terrible Trio) 10
Harley Quinn 3
Holiday 5
Hugo Strange 3
Joe Chill 3
Joker (Silver Age) 2
KGBeast 4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 4
Killer Moth 4
King Snake 4
Kite-Man 6
Mad-Hatter 3
Magpie 4
Man-Bat 1
Maxie Zeus 4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 3
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 3
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 3
Monk 5
Mr. Zsasz 7
Nightslayer 6
NKVDemon 10
Nocturna 4
Outsider 4
Penguin (Modern Age) 4
Penguin (Silver Age) 3
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 3
Polka-Dot Man 10
Professor Pyg 2
Queen of Hearts 4
Ra's Al-Ghul 1
Ratcatcher 5
Reaper 4
Red Hood (Modern Age) 10
Red Hood (Silver Age) 7
Riddler (Modern Age) 6
Riddler (Silver Age) 3
Scarecrow 2
Shark (Terrible Trio) 10
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 10
Spellbinder II 10
Spook 4
Sterling Silversmith 3
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tony Zucco 5
Tweedledee 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 3
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 8
Two-Face (Golden Age) 6
Two-Face (Modern Age) 2
Ubu 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 10
Werewolf 10
Wrath 4
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 12:58 AM
Anarky -10
Bane -10
Black Mask -3
Black Spider -4
Blockbuster I -4
Calendar Man (Silver Age) -4
Captain Stingaree -9
Catman (Pre-New 52) -5
Catman (Silver Age) -5
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Modern Age) -9
Catwoman (Silver Age) -3
Cavalier -4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) -3
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) -10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -3
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) -10
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) -10
Cluemaster -4
Copperhead -4
Crazy Quilt -5
Crime Doctor -5
Deadshot -3
Dr. Death -5
Dr. Double X -4
Dr. Phosphorous –3
Dr. Tzin-Tzin -5
Electrocutioner I -4
Film Freak -8
Firefly -8
Fox (Terrible Trio) -5
Harley Quinn -9
Holiday -10
Hugo Strange -3
Joe Chill - 5
Joker (Silver Age) -3
KGBeast -5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -3
Killer Croc (Modern Age) -10
Killer Moth -4
King Snake -9
Kite-Man -5
Mad-Hatter -3
Magpie -6
Man-Bat - 3
Maxie Zeus -3
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -4
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) -10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -4
Monk -8
Mr. Zsasz -5
Nightslayer -4
NKVDemon -8
Nocturna -4
Outsider -3
Penguin (Modern Age) -10
Penguin (Silver Age) -3
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) -10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Polka-Dot Man -9
Professor Pyg -7
Queen of Hearts -10
Ra's Al-Ghul -3
Ratcatcher -5
Reaper -8
Red Hood (Modern Age) -10
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 4
Riddler (Modern Age) -10
Riddler (Silver Age) -4
Scarecrow -3
Shark (Terrible Trio) -5
Signalman -4
Spellbinder I -5
Spellbinder II -10
Spook -5
Sterling Silversmith -5
Talia Al Ghul -4
Tony Zucco -5
Tweedledee -3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -3
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) -10
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Two-Face (Modern Age) -10
Ubu -10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -3
Vulture (Terrible Trio) -5
Werewolf -4
Wrath - 3
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 03:11 AM
Wow it's a trip to see who makes it through!

Anarky 3
Bane 5
Black Mask 2
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 7
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 6
Captain Stingaree 8
Catman (Pre-New 52) 2
Catman (Silver Age) 9
Catwoman (Golden Age) 3
Catwoman (Modern Age) 4
Catwoman (Silver Age) 1
Cavalier 5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 8
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 3
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 7
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 9
Cluemaster 8
Copperhead 4
Crazy Quilt 6
Crime Doctor 3
Deadshot 1
Dr. Death 6
Dr. Double X 7
Dr. Phosphorous 8
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 9
Electrocutioner I 8
Film Freak 10
Firefly 5
Fox (Terrible Trio) 7
Harley Quinn 1
Holiday 5
Hugo Strange 3
Joe Chill 4
Joker (Silver Age) 1
KGBeast 4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 5
Killer Moth 3
King Snake 4
Kite-Man 3
Mad-Hatter 2
Magpie 5
Man-Bat 3
Maxie Zeus 4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 3
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 6
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 2
Monk 7
Mr. Zsasz 6
Nightslayer 9
NKVDemon 8
Nocturna 7
Outsider 6
Penguin (Modern Age) 6
Penguin (Silver Age) 4
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 3
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 2
Polka-Dot Man 7
Professor Pyg 1
Queen of Hearts 10
Ra's Al-Ghul 1
Ratcatcher 7
Reaper 1
Red Hood (Modern Age) 2
Red Hood (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Modern Age) 3
Riddler (Silver Age) 2
Scarecrow 3
Shark (Terrible Trio) 8
Signalman 5
Spellbinder I 4
Spellbinder II 7
Spook 8
Sterling Silversmith 7
Talia Al Ghul 1
Tony Zucco 6
Tweedledee 9
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 10
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) 4
Two-Face (Modern Age) 2
Ubu 6
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 9
Werewolf 10
Wrath 3
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 11:40 AM
Hi Emily. I'm a bit confused about the scoring system (beyond the 1 = 10, 10 = 1 thing haha).

You mentioned that we're to give each character a score between 1 and 10, but you've given several characters a score of 0. Are those scores meant to be 10 or is 0 also an option?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 12:48 PM
I was thinking also that if this is not a forced ranking thing with a finite list (ie pick only 25 out of the available characters) we can reverse scoring such that a 10 is worth 10 points. But that might get confusing if we do shift to finite forced ranking
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 12:54 PM
I had a second where I was going to put in 0s for the ones I didn't vote for last time, but I recalled the 1-10 range.

Happy with the way it for this round, rather than reversing the scores. Who knows what Emily has planned for the next rounds?
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 01:37 PM
There's probably not much difference between a rank of 10 and a rank of 0 (points-wise) anyway, so I'm just going to go ahead and vote.

Anarky 4
Bane 10
Black Mask 4
Black Spider 1
Blockbuster I 1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 1
Captain Stingaree 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) 10
Catman (Silver Age) 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) 10
Catwoman (Modern Age) 10
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 10
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 4
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 4
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 10
Cluemaster 1
Copperhead 4
Crazy Quilt 1
Crime Doctor 4
Deadshot 10
Dr. Death 4
Dr. Double X 1
Dr. Phosphorous 1
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 1
Electrocutioner I 1
Film Freak 4
Firefly 1
Fox (Terrible Trio) 4
Harley Quinn 10
Holiday 10
Hugo Strange 10
Joe Chill 4
Joker (Silver Age) 10
KGBeast 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 10
Killer Moth 1
King Snake 4
Kite-Man 1
Mad-Hatter 4
Magpie 1
Man-Bat 4
Maxie Zeus 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 10
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 10
Monk 1
Mr. Zsasz 4
Nightslayer 4
NKVDemon 1
Nocturna 1
Outsider 4
Penguin (Modern Age) 10
Penguin (Silver Age) 10
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 10
Polka-Dot Man 4
Professor Pyg 10
Queen of Hearts 1
Ra's Al-Ghul 10
Ratcatcher 1
Reaper 10
Red Hood (Modern Age) 10
Red Hood (Silver Age) 10
Riddler (Modern Age) 10
Riddler (Silver Age) 10
Scarecrow 4
Shark (Terrible Trio) 4
Signalman 1
Spellbinder I 1
Spellbinder II 10
Spook 1
Sterling Silversmith 1
Talia Al Ghul 10
Tony Zucco 4
Tweedledee 4
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 4
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 4
Two-Face (Golden Age) 10
Two-Face (Modern Age) 10
Ubu 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 1
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 4
Werewolf 1
Wrath 10
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 08:27 PM
I don't understand the surprise, as I pretty-much copy and pasted IB's rules from the last Idol.

If you don't believe me, read this: http://www.legionworld.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=859592&page=

I interpreted Rank 1 as most points, and Rank 10 being least points based on examples given in that post.

The 0s in my votes are just typos; I'll turn them into 1 pointers when I tally the votes.

As only 5 people have voted so far, I'm extending voting for 24 hours.
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/07/15 09:44 PM
Anarky - 5
Bane - 5
Black Mask - 5
Black Spider - 3
Blockbuster I - 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Captain Stingaree - 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 5
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Modern Age) - 7
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 2
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) - 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) - 2
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) - 10
Cluemaster - 5
Copperhead - 5
Crazy Quilt - 4
Crime Doctor - 4
Deadshot - 5
Dr. Death - 5
Dr. Double X - 3
Dr. Phosphorous - 3
Dr. Tzin-Tzin - 3
Electrocutioner I - 5
Film Freak - 7
Firefly - 3
Fox (Terrible Trio) - 1
Harley Quinn - 8
Holiday - 10
Hugo Strange - 5
Joe Chill - 7
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
KGBeast - 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 3
Killer Croc (Modern Age) - 8
Killer Moth - 5
King Snake - 9
Kite-Man - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Magpie - 7
Man-Bat - 2
Maxie Zeus - 2
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 5
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 1
Mr. Zsasz - 6
Nightslayer - 6
NKVDemon - 6
Nocturna - 6
Outsider - 5
Penguin (Modern Age) - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) - 9
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Polka-Dot Man - 1
Professor Pyg - 10
Queen of Hearts - 10
Ra's Al-Ghul - 3
Ratcatcher - 5
Reaper - 5
Red Hood (Modern Age) - 10
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 3
Riddler (Modern Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Shark (Terrible Trio) - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Spellbinder II - 3
Spook - 1
Sterling Silversmith - 4
Talia Al Ghul - 3
Tony Zucco - 10
Tweedledee - 2
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 2
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) - 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Two-Face (Modern Age) - 10
Ubu - 6
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 5
Vulture (Terrible Trio) - 1
Werewolf - 2
Wrath - 4
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/08/15 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana

As only 5 people have voted so far, I'm extending voting for 24 hours.


If past experience means anything, weekends are usually a rotten time to get people. I'd suggest extending rounds that end on weekends until the following Monday.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/08/15 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana

As only 5 people have voted so far, I'm extending voting for 24 hours.


If past experience means anything, weekends are usually a rotten time to get people. I'd suggest extending rounds that end on weekends until the following Monday.


Request granted! I'll tally the votes on Monday. Hopefully, we get at least seven voters like last time.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 02:07 AM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
I don't understand the surprise, as I pretty-much copy and pasted IB's rules from the last Idol.

If you don't believe me, read this: http://www.legionworld.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=859592&page=

I interpreted Rank 1 as most points, and Rank 10 being least points based on examples given in that post.



Hi Emily, the reason for Rank 1 gettin most points etc. Is because in those rounds in my Idol games, the list is finite. That is, pick your Top 25 (out of 50 characters) and rank them in order, so that exactly one character gets 1 point, one gets 2 points, and so on. What has happened in this round in Bat Villain Idol is that we are ranking everyone remaining in the game, and not against each other. It is actually possible to give everyone 10 points in this round.

Hope this clarifies my rules.

I think your rules will give a similar effect except the voting will be a lot less predictable.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 02:23 AM
If you have any other questions on the rules, please feel free to ask Emily. All along I thought you made changes this round on purpose, which would have been fine as I always welcome twists and improvements in game mechanics. understanding the original rules will be very helpful for you in managing this game.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac


I think your rules will give a similar effect except the voting will be a lot less predictable.


I agree. The unpredictability is part of the fun (for me)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 07:40 PM
I have begun tallying the votes. If anyone still needs to vote, you have two hours. Then I will tabulate all submitted votes and post the results tonight.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 07:44 PM
I will skip this round because I am having trouble voting with my phone. I will play again next round.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 08:08 PM
That's a shame Ibbs. See you next round.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 08:09 PM
Thanks thothy. I am there in spirit!
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 08:13 PM
Like Wayne's parents wink
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/09/15 10:52 PM
Note: If there are any last minute votes, this post will be updated as soon as possible.

Due to the way I tabulated the votes, I have to establish criteria in order to eliminate people. I decided to adapt a method used by the "Rex Factor" Podcast to determine Reign Score; which is dividing by person (in this case character) that has the highest number of points.

This round that character is Scarecrow with 52 points!

The median of the data is around the point of 36 or 37 points.

Scarecrow 52 100%
Mad-Hatter 51 98%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 49 94%
Joker (Silver Age)48 92%
Man-Bat 48 92%
Ra's Al-Ghul 47 90%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 46 88%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 45 86%
Deadshot 45 86%
Riddler (Silver Age) 45 86%
Talia Al Ghul 45 86%
Blockbuster I 44 84%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 44 84%
Crime Doctor 44 84%
Kite-Man 44 84%
Spellbinder I 44 84%
Tweedledee 44 84%
Black Spider 43 82%
Maxie Zeus 43 82%
Monk 43 82%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 43 82%
Dr. Phosphorous 42 82%
Killer Moth 42 82%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 42 82%
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 41 78%
Outsider 41 78%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 41 78%
Black Mask 40 78%
Electrocutioner I 39 75%
Firefly 39 75%
KGBeast 39 75%
Penguin (Silver Age) 39 75%
Catman (Pre-New 52) 38 73%
Catman (Silver Age) 38 73%
Copperhead 38 73%
Hugo Strange 38 73%
Joe Chill 38 73%
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 38 73%
Nocturna 38 73%
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 37 71%
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 37 71%
Spook 37 71%
Cavalier 36 69%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 36 69%
Magpie 36 69%
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 36 69%
Sterling Silversmith 36 69%
Anarky 35 67%
Ratcatcher 35 67%
Signalman 35 67%
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 34 65%
Crazy Quilt 34 65%
Harley Quinn 34 65%
Red Hood (Silver Age) 34 65%
Cluemaster 33 63%
Dr. Double X 32 63%
Tony Zucco 32 63%
Wrath 32 63%

These three characters barely survived this round:

Dr. Death 31 60%
Polka-Dot Man 31 60%
Ubu 31 60%

Inspired by the winner of this round, I decided to take the academic approach to this and eliminate every character that got less than 60%. If this eventually results in too many characters being eliminated at once, there will be a Joker Wild Card Round.

Bane 30 58%
Mr. Zsasz 30 58%
Catwoman (Modern Age) 29 56%
Fox (Terrible Trio) 29 56%
Two-Face (Modern Age) 29 56%
Werewolf 29 56%
Reaper 28 54%
Shark (Terrible Trio) 28 54%
Captain Stingaree 27 52%
Film Freak 27 52%
Nightslayer 27 52%
Poison Ivy (Modern Age) 27 52%
Vulture (Terrible Trio) 27 52%
King Snake 26 50%
Professor Pyg 26 50%
Riddler (Modern Age) 26 50%
Killer Croc (Modern Age) 25 48%
Mister Freeze (Modern Age) 24 46%
NKVDemon 23 44%
Spellbinder II 23 44%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 22 42%
Holiday 22 42%
Queen of Hearts 21 40%
Red Hood (Modern Age) 18 34%
Penguin (Modern Age) 16 31%
Tweedledum II (Dumpson) 15 29%
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 12 23%

Interesting Data Regarding the Clayfaces:

Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 69%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age) 42%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 94%
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 65%
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age) 23%

The most popular Clayface among LW votrs according to this round is the Silver Age version.

Let me know if you would like to see any other comparisons of various versions. I will try to get the next round going by sometime tomorrow.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/10/15 01:53 AM
Wow, this round was a bloodbath for Modern Age characters! I would love to hear players' thoughts on comparisons of Silver Age vs Modern Age vs Golden Age versions of characters.

And Scarecrow at the top, interesting
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/10/15 07:43 AM
Interesting that the most "recent" character in the top ten is Ventriloquist. Grant & Breyfogle created a lot of villains in their run, but Ventriloquist and Scarface are easily the most enduring. I don't see a lot of villains who came after that era who made it.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/11/15 06:23 PM
Time to start the next round before I forget. Please rank them in the same matter as the last round.

Anarky
Black Mask
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Dr. Death
Deadshot
Dr. Double X
Dr. Phosphorous
Dr. Tzin-Tzin
Electrocutioner I
Firefly
Harley Quinn
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Kite-Man
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Nocturna
Outsider
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Polka-Dot Man
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Tony Zucco
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ubu
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Wrath
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/11/15 06:28 PM
Anarky 4
Black Mask 8
Black Spider 9
Blockbuster I 9
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 2
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 9
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 8
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 10
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 7
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 8
Dr. Death 8
Deadshot 3
Dr. Double X 10
Dr. Phosphorous 1
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 8
Electrocutioner I 9
Firefly 8
Harley Quinn 1
Hugo Strange 4
Joe Chill 2
Joker (Silver Age) 1
KGBeast 8
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Killer Moth 8
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 3
Magpie 7
Man-Bat 5
Maxie Zeus 8
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 5
Monk 1
Nocturna 4
Outsider 5
Penguin (Silver Age) 9
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 1
Polka-Dot Man 9
Ra's Al-Ghul 2
Ratcatcher 6
Red Hood (Silver Age) 1
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 4
Spook 10
Sterling Silversmith 10
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tony Zucco 5
Tweedledee 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ubu 10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3
Wrath 10
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/12/15 12:57 AM
Anarky 2
Black Mask 4
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 8
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 2
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 2
Catwoman (Silver Age) 1
Cavalier 2
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 6
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 7
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 10
Cluemaster 9
Copperhead 8
Crazy Quilt 4
Crime Doctor 3
Dr. Death 7
Deadshot 1
Dr. Double X 6
Dr. Phosphorous 9
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 7
Electrocutioner I 10
Firefly 6
Harley Quinn 2
Hugo Strange 3
Joe Chill 5
Joker (Silver Age) 3
KGBeast 4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Killer Moth 2
Kite-Man 1
Mad-Hatter 5
Magpie 6
Man-Bat 3
Maxie Zeus 5
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 4
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 2
Monk 9
Nocturna 10
Outsider 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 8
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 6
Polka-Dot Man 7
Ra's Al-Ghul 3
Ratcatcher 2
Red Hood (Silver Age) 3
Riddler (Silver Age) 4
Scarecrow 6
Signalman 3
Spellbinder I 9
Spook 10
Sterling Silversmith 8
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tony Zucco 8
Tweedledee 6
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 6
Two-Face (Golden Age) 4
Ubu 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3
Wrath 1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/12/15 11:47 AM
When will this round close?
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/12/15 12:38 PM
Anarky 4
Black Mask 5
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 8
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Catwoman (Silver Age) 5
Cavalier 6
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 2
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 1
Cluemaster 9
Copperhead 7
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 5
Dr. Death 10
Deadshot 1
Dr. Double X 10
Dr. Phosphorous 5
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 6
Electrocutioner I 5
Firefly 6
Harley Quinn 4
Hugo Strange 3
Joe Chill 4
Joker (Silver Age) 3
KGBeast 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Moth 4
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 3
Magpie 5
Man-Bat 1
Maxie Zeus 3
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 3
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 4
Monk 5
Nocturna 5
Outsider 4
Penguin (Silver Age) 3
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 4
Polka-Dot Man 10
Ra's Al-Ghul 1
Ratcatcher 4
Red Hood (Silver Age) 6
Riddler (Silver Age) 4
Scarecrow 2
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 10
Spook 3
Sterling Silversmith 3
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tony Zucco 5
Tweedledee 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 3
Two-Face (Golden Age) 3
Ubu 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3
Wrath 4
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/12/15 06:19 PM
I'm quite enjoying having a second way of scoring these. Equally happy to se the back of Bane. I'm not shedding many tears over seeing a number of the modern characters go. Mainly because I've never read the books that they're in.

Anarky -10
Black Mask -3
Black Spider -4
Blockbuster I -4
Calendar Man (Silver Age) -4
Catman (Pre-New 52) -5
Catman (Silver Age) -5
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Silver Age) -3
Cavalier -4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) -3
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -3
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) -10
Cluemaster -4
Copperhead -4
Crazy Quilt -5
Crime Doctor -5
Deadshot -3
Dr. Death -5
Dr. Double X -4
Dr. Phosphorous –3
Dr. Tzin-Tzin -5
Electrocutioner I -4
Firefly -8
Harley Quinn -9
Hugo Strange -3
Joe Chill - 5
Joker (Silver Age) -3
KGBeast -5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -3
Killer Moth -4
Kite-Man -5
Mad-Hatter -3
Magpie -6
Man-Bat - 3
Maxie Zeus -3
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -4
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -4
Monk -8
Nocturna -4
Outsider -3
Penguin (Silver Age) -3
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Polka-Dot Man -9
Ra's Al-Ghul -3
Ratcatcher -5
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 4
Riddler (Silver Age) -4
Scarecrow -3
Signalman -4
Spellbinder I -5
Spook -5
Sterling Silversmith -5
Talia Al Ghul -4
Tony Zucco -5
Tweedledee -3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -3
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Ubu -10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -3
Wrath - 3



Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/12/15 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
When will this round close?


Let me know how much time you need and I will extend the round. We culled about twenty characters last round, so there is no rush.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/13/15 03:46 AM
Thanks Emily I appreciate that. I should be able to get my vote in by Saturday
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/13/15 10:30 PM
Anarky...1
Black Mask...4
Black Spider...1
Blockbuster I...1
Calendar Man (Silver Age)...4
Catman (Pre-New 52)...10
Catman (Silver Age)...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)...10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)...4
Cluemaster...1
Copperhead...4
Crazy Quilt...1
Crime Doctor...4
Dr. Death...4
Deadshot...10
Dr. Double X...1
Dr. Phosphorous...4
Dr. Tzin-Tzin...1
Electrocutioner I...1
Firefly...4
Harley Quinn...10
Hugo Strange...10
Joe Chill...10
Joker (Silver Age)...10
KGBeast...1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Killer Moth...1
Kite-Man...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Magpie...1
Man-Bat...4
Maxie Zeus...1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)...10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)...10
Monk...4
Nocturna...1
Outsider...4
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Polka-Dot Man...10
Ra's Al-Ghul...10
Ratcatcher...1
Red Hood (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...10
Signalman...1
Spellbinder I...1
Spook...1
Sterling Silversmith...1
Talia Al Ghul...10
Tony Zucco...10
Tweedledee...10
Tweedledum (Dumfree)...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ubu...4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1
Wrath...10
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/13/15 11:05 PM
Anarky - 5
Black Mask - 5
Black Spider - 5
Blockbuster I - 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 5
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) - 3
Cluemaster - 3
Copperhead - 3
Crazy Quilt - 1
Crime Doctor - 3
Dr. Death - 3
Deadshot - 5
Dr. Double X - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Dr. Tzin-Tzin - 5
Electrocutioner I - 5
Firefly - 3
Harley Quinn - 5
Hugo Strange - 3
Joe Chill - 5
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
KGBeast - 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 3
Killer Moth - 1
Kite-Man - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Magpie - 5
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 1
Nocturna - 5
Outsider - 5
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Polka-Dot Man - 1
Ra's Al-Ghul - 3
Ratcatcher - 5
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 3
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Spook - 1
Sterling Silversmith - 3
Talia Al Ghul - 3
Tony Zucco - 5
Tweedledee - 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 3
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ubu - 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 3
Wrath - 5
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/14/15 12:15 PM
Anarky - 5
Black Mask - 3
Black Spider - 10
Blockbuster I - 10
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 3
Catman (Silver Age) = 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 2
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 3
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) - 5
Cluemaster - 2
Copperhead - 3
Crazy Quilt - 10
Crime Doctor - 10
Dr. Death - 10
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Double X - 10
Dr. Phosphorous - 4
Dr. Tzin-Tzin - 10
Electrocutioner I - 10
Firefly - 10
Harley Quinn - 5
Hugo Strange - 5
Joe Chill - 8
Joker (Silver Age) - 5
KGBeast - 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 5
Killer Moth - 10
Kite-Man - 10
Mad-Hatter - 5
Magpie - 3
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 8
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 10
Nocturna - 5
Outsider - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Polka-Dot Man - 10
Ra's Al-Ghul - 10
Ratcatcher - 10
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 5
Scarecrow - 3
Signalman - 10
Spellbinder I - 10
Spook - 10
Sterling Silversmith - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tony Zucco - 10
Tweedledee - 5
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 5
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 4
Ubu - 10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 2
Wrath - 10
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/14/15 03:25 PM
Good to see you in the round Ibbs smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/14/15 04:10 PM
Thanks thoth for the warm welcome smile good to be here and discussing with you all. I have googled a few villains already like Sterling Silversmith who did surprisingly well before. Lookig forward to learning about these baddieals and hearing all your thoughts
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/14/15 08:42 PM
When I was going through the list, all those Who's Who pictures flashed into mind. I must have read that a lot smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/15/15 04:25 AM
Now if we can just get a telepath to share all those Who's Who pics from your mind to mine smile
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/15/15 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
When I was going through the list, all those Who's Who pictures flashed into mind. I must have read that a lot smile
same here
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/15/15 04:59 PM
Since there seems to be a lot of activity in this thread, I'm going to hold off from giving the final results until tomorrow night.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
When I was going through the list, all those Who's Who pictures flashed into mind. I must have read that a lot smile


I keep picturing the double page spread from DC Blue Ribbon Digest #14. I wish I still had that (or could find a scan of that page).

EDIT: Found a Scan

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78897/2831724-batman_s_rogues_gallery.jpg
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 03:54 PM
Captain Stingaree is in there, but not important enough for Idol!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 05:41 PM
Thanks Dave!

Several I do not know here.

Thoth, Isn't Captain Stingaree on our list?

To the right of Riddler, I only know Stingaree, Blockbuster and Catwoman

On the left, I don't know the guy immediately left of Clayface and the two between Mr Freeze and Gentleman Ghost
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Thoth, Isn't Captain Stingaree on our list?


I meant to have survived as long as the other important characters in Idol.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 06:53 PM
Oh, that clears it up. Thanks.

(Decides not to say that I didn't even notice his elimination... d'oh!)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 07:16 PM
Thank you for the good turn-out this round. It is a tie between Man-Bat and The Ventriloquist for first place this round.

Man-Bat 59 100%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 59 100%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 54 92%
Deadshot 53 90%
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 53 90%
Talia Al Ghul 53 90%
Cavalier 52 88%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 52 88%
Joker (Silver Age) 51 86%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 51 86%
Scarecrow 51 86%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 51 86%
Dr. Phosphorous 50 85%
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 50 85%
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 50 85%
Maxie Zeus 48 81%
Catman (Pre-New 52) 47 81%
Killer Moth 47 81%
Mad-Hatter 47 81%
Anarky 46 78%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 46 78%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 46 78%
Hugo Strange 46 78%
Ra's Al-Ghul 46 78%
Riddler (Silver Age) 46 78%
Tweedledee 46 78%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 46 78%
Black Mask 45 76%
Copperhead 45 76%
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 44 75%
KGBeast 44 75%
Magpie 44 75%
Ratcatcher 44 75%
Nocturna 43 73%
Black Spider 42 71%

Bottom-Tier This Round
Harley Quinn 41 69% <-- Your Game Host is Saddened by This Development

Catman (Silver Age) 40 68%
Red Hood (Silver Age) 40 68%
Blockbuster I 39 66%
Cluemaster 39 66%
Crime Doctor 39 66%
Kite-Man 39 66%
Monk 39 66%
Outsider 39 66%
Joe Chill 38 64%
Penguin (Silver Age) 38 64%
Signalman 38 64%
Spellbinder I 37 63%
Spook 37 63%
Sterling Silversmith 37 63%
Crazy Quilt 36 61%



These are the characters eliminated this round:

Dr. Double X 35 59%
Dr. Tzin-Tzin 35 59%
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age) 34 58%
Wrath 34 58%
Electrocutioner I 33 56%
Firefly 32 54%
Dr. Death 30 51%
Tony Zucco 29 49%
Ubu 28 47%
Polka-Dot Man 21 36%

Next Round will start tomorrow night.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 08:12 PM
Interesting how tight it is. Firefly and Electrocutioner go from the mid-70's to being eliminated (but only changed their vote by 7 points each). Similarly, Mad Hatter goes from a solid second to mid-tier, with only a few votes swapped out.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 10:05 PM
We are in the early rounds still, but there have been cases before where fan faves were eliminated early because people thought they would be safe, and did not give them as many points.

I suspect that is not the case here though, as we do not have a finite number of points to give.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/16/15 10:34 PM
The total has been whittled down to 51. I'm going to keep the rankings this way until we have it down to about 20 characters. If we have an odd number of characters that doesn't have 5 in it, I will do a Wild Card Round so that we get even numbers.

Once the list gets that short, I will change the ranking system.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/17/15 03:27 PM
I just read that there was a second Wrath. I was surprised that he made it even a few rounds, but if there were two of them... The one I liked was from the impressively done DC Special from the mid '80s.

The Electrocutioner I know mainly from a Vigilante cover at the back of Who's Who. I did pick up the first couple of issues of Vigilante years later, and was surprised at how poor it was. Not what I was expecting after the build up form Teen Titans. smile

Tzin-Tzin and Firefly are only Who's Who entries for me. I had to google Ubu.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/17/15 07:41 PM
Time for the next round!

Anarky
Black Mask
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Harley Quinn
Hugo Strange
Joe Chill
Joker (Silver Age)
KGBeast
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Kite-Man
Mad-Hatter
Magpie
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Monk
Nocturna
Outsider
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Ra's Al-Ghul
Ratcatcher
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Spook
Sterling Silversmith
Talia Al Ghul
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/17/15 07:46 PM
Anarkym 5
Black Mask 8
Black Spider 9
Blockbuster I 9
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age)10
Catwoman (Golden Age)1
Catwoman (Silver Age)10
Cavalier 9
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 3
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 4
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 5
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 2
Harley Quinn 1
Hugo Strange 3
Joe Chill 4
Joker (Silver Age) 1
KGBeast 8
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Killer Moth 9
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 2
Magpie 6
Man-Bat 7
Maxie Zeus 8
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 4
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 3
Monk 1
Nocturna 4
Outsider 9
Penguin (Silver Age) 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 1
Ra's Al-Ghul 1
Ratcatcher 8
Red Hood (Silver Age) 1
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 7
Spook 10
Sterling Silversmith 10
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tweedledee 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 1

On characters not included; in retrospect I wished I could have include more Golden Age villains but I discovered lots of them were sent to the electric chair after their first appearance!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/17/15 09:25 PM
Anarky 6
Black Mask 5
Black Spider 6
Blockbuster I 7
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 3
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Catwoman (Silver Age) 7
Cavalier 4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 8
Cluemaster 3
Copperhead 8
Crazy Quilt 2
Crime Doctor 5
Deadshot 10
Dr. Phosphorous 6
Harley Quinn 6
Hugo Strange 7
Joe Chill 7
Joker (Silver Age) 8
KGBeast 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 9
Killer Moth 7
Kite-Man 2
Mad-Hatter 8
Magpie 6
Man-Bat 10
Maxie Zeus 7
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 7
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 7
Monk 5
Nocturna 6
Outsider 5
Penguin (Silver Age) 8
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 7
Ra's Al-Ghul 9
Ratcatcher 6
Red Hood (Silver Age) 4
Riddler (Silver Age) 8
Scarecrow 9
Signalman 1
Spellbinder I 1
Spook 6
Sterling Silversmith 7
Talia Al Ghul 9
Tweedledee 7
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 7
Two-Face (Golden Age) 8
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 7
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/17/15 11:30 PM
Anarky 2
Black Mask 5
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 8
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 4
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 2
Cavalier 6
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 7
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 6
Cluemaster 9
Copperhead 8
Crazy Quilt 6
Crime Doctor 5
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 9
Harley Quinn 2
Hugo Strange 4
Joe Chill 7
Joker (Silver Age) 4
KGBeast 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Killer Moth 5
Kite-Man 2
Mad-Hatter 6
Magpie 8
Man-Bat 6
Maxie Zeus 7
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 8
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 9
Monk 10
Nocturna 9
Outsider 8
Penguin (Silver Age) 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 4
Ra's Al-Ghul 3
Ratcatcher 7
Red Hood (Silver Age) 2
Riddler (Silver Age) 4
Scarecrow 5
Signalman 7
Spellbinder I 8
Spook 9
Sterling Silversmith 9
Talia Al Ghul 4
Tweedledee 8
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 7
Two-Face (Golden Age) 6
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 4
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/18/15 07:38 AM
Anarky...1
Black Mask...10
Black Spider...1
Blockbuster I...1
Calendar Man (Silver Age)...1
Catman (Pre-New 52)...10
Catman (Silver Age)...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)...10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Cluemaster...1
Copperhead...10
Crazy Quilt...1
Crime Doctor...10
Deadshot...10
Dr. Phosphorous...1
Harley Quinn...10
Hugo Strange...10
Joe Chill...10
Joker (Silver Age)...10
KGBeast...1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Killer Moth...1
Kite-Man...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Magpie...1
Man-Bat...1
Maxie Zeus...1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)...10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)...10
Monk...10
Nocturna...1
Outsider...10
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Ra's Al-Ghul...10
Ratcatcher...1
Red Hood (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...10
Signalman...1
Spellbinder I...1
Spook...1
Sterling Silversmith...1
Talia Al Ghul...10
Tweedledee...10
Tweedledum (Dumfree)...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/18/15 02:40 PM
Anarky - 1
Black Mask - 10
Black Spider - 10
Blockbuster I - 10
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 1
Catman (Silver Age) - 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier -1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 10
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 10
Crime Doctor - 10
Deadshot- 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 10
Harley Quinn - 1
Hugo Strange - 10
Joe Chill - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
KGBeast - 10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 10
Killer Moth - 10
Kite-Man - 10
Mad-Hatter - 10
Magpie- 10
Man-Bat- 10
Maxie Zeus- 10
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 10
Nocturna - 10
Outsider - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Ra's Al-Ghul - 10
Ratcatcher - 10
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 10
Spellbinder I - 10
Spook - 10
Sterling Silversmith - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 10
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/18/15 03:12 PM
Anarky -10
Black Mask -6
Black Spider -4
Blockbuster I -4
Calendar Man (Silver Age) -7
Catman (Pre-New 52) -6
Catman (Silver Age) -4
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 3
Cavalier -4
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) -2
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -1
Cluemaster -6
Copperhead -3
Crazy Quilt -6
Crime Doctor -6
Deadshot -1
Dr. Phosphorous –3
Harley Quinn -10
Hugo Strange -5
Joe Chill - 7
Joker (Silver Age) -3
KGBeast - 7
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -3
Killer Moth -5
Kite-Man -6
Mad-Hatter -3
Magpie -8
Man-Bat - 3
Maxie Zeus -5
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -6
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -6
Monk -10
Nocturna -1
Outsider -3
Penguin (Silver Age) - 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Ra's Al-Ghul -6
Ratcatcher -5
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 4
Riddler (Silver Age) -4
Scarecrow -3
Signalman -4
Spellbinder I -5
Spook -10
Sterling Silversmith -8
Talia Al Ghul -6
Tweedledee -3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -3
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -3
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/18/15 05:04 PM
Looks like Blacula and I have the same ruthless idea smile 1s and 10s only.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/18/15 05:26 PM
NOTE: Talia Al Ghul is numberless there Ibbs. And Two Face and spellbinder actually.

That should certainly polarise some of the outcomes. I've started along that path, but I was left in the dust by you two passing me by. wink

Interesting to see the differences between the two of you.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/18/15 05:39 PM
Thanks for the catch, thoth! Going back and editing...
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Looks like Blacula and I have the same ruthless idea smile 1s and 10s only.


Yes. Except you gave all of your 1s and 10s to the wrong characters. grin
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 10:14 AM
I am always willing to change my voting, if I can be... convinced wink tongue laugh
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 11:26 AM
haha OK. I get the impression from your voting and a couple of things you mentioned earlier that you don't know many Bat-villains beyond the mainstream (boring wink ) ones, so here's a guide to all of the cool characters you're missing out on:

Black Spider (Eric Needham):

* Batman's first recurring black villain (I think).
* More of a Punisher-like anti-hero rather than a villain since he only went after / killed drug dealers (something to do with avenging a family member who got hooked on drugs or something, it was all very 70s).
* Possessor of a funky costume and star of the awesome covers linked below.
* Fun fact: He was one of the few DC characters that Neil Gaiman used in his classic Sandman run, where he was the love interest of Lyta (Fury) Hall. How many Batman villains can say they dated Wonder Woman's daughter?!

http://www.comics.org/issue/30239/cover/4/
http://www.comics.org/issue/32820/cover/4/

Blockbuster I (Mark Desmond):

* A lot more interesting than his boring businessman-Lex Luthor clone brother.
* One of the Batman villains that appeared most frequently in other comics during the 70s thanks to his membership in the Secret Society of Super-Villains.
* More of a misguided simpleton brute than a true villain.
* Fun fact: Bruce Wayne saved him from drowning when he was a boy so even though he hates the sight of Batman (something to do with being brainwashed by his brother I think), he was sometimes calmed down by Batman taking off his mask to reveal that he was Bruce Wayne underneath. One of the more unorthodox ways that Batman has won a fight!

http://www.comics.org/issue/19617/cover/4/
http://www.comics.org/issue/21247/cover/4/

Catman (Thomas Blake) (Silver Age):

* A lot more fun than the generic pre-New 52 version that Gail Simone turned him into (although I'm sure other people will disagree with me on that).
* A cool combination of Batman and Catwoman who often provided the conflict in their love triangle. What's not to love?
* I love his garish yellow and orange colour scheme and he also starred on some awesome covers.
* Fun fact: Track down the excellent story arc 'Misfits' in Shadow of the Bat if you can. A fun 3 (or 4?) parter in which Catman and a handful of other C-grade villains kidnap Bruce Wayne, Commissioner Gordon and the mayor of Gotham and lock them in a cell, and Batman has to find a way to save the day without revealing his identity. Old school comicing!

http://www.comics.org/issue/35911/cover/4/
http://www.comics.org/issue/47722/

Crazy Quilt (unrevealed):

* One of the very few (or maybe even only?) Batman villains who didn't start off as a Batman villain! He first appeared as a foe of the Boy Commandos drawn by Jack Kirby! He went on to menace them a number of times and even had an imposter steal his identity in an issue of Blackhawk before he ever faced Batman.
* The possessor of one of the most garish and amazing costumes in all of comics. And the star of the awesome Gen Colan cover linked below.
* Fun fact: One of the few Batman villains who was actually more of a Robin villain. (The Boy Wonder accidentally blinded him or something.)

http://www.comics.org/issue/5506/cover/4/
http://www.comics.org/issue/38353/

Need to get to bed now so Bat-Villain 101 will have to be postponed until tomorrow. smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 11:47 AM
Thank you, Blacula! This is mucho helpful.

Always happy to learn more about comic books smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 11:49 AM
Can anyone help me identify the characters I do not know from this picture?

Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
I keep picturing the double page spread from DC Blue Ribbon Digest #14. I wish I still had that (or could find a scan of that page).

EDIT: Found a Scan

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78897/2831724-batman_s_rogues_gallery.jpg


Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac


To the right of Riddler, I only know Stingaree, Blockbuster and Catwoman

On the left, I don't know the guy immediately left of Clayface and the two between Mr Freeze and Gentleman Ghost
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 12:26 PM
Clayface III is in the blue exoskeleton. The guy with webbing is Black Spider. The hooded guy is the Spook. The Cavalier is the guy who's dressed as, ummm, a cavalier.

I'm actually blanking on the guy holding the helmet, but next to him is Killer Moth.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 12:27 PM
Thanks Dave, this is a big help!

Do you know who the guy in green is, the one to the right of Gentleman Ghost?
Posted By: Eryk Davis Ester Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 01:19 PM
I believe that's the imposter Mad Hatter.
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 01:38 PM
Here's a full list of characters from that scan (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78897/2831724-batman_s_rogues_gallery.jpg) -

Hugo Strange
Talia
Catman
Scarecrow
Cavalier
Spook
Catwoman
Black Spider
Blockbuster
Clayface III
Captain Stingaree
Riddler
Ra's Al Ghul
Two-Face
Joker
Penguin
Clayface II
Getaway Genius
Tweedledee and Tweedledum
Gentleman Ghost
Killer Moth
Mad Hatter
Mister Freeze

[Linked Image]

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Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 01:44 PM
Anarky - 10
Black Mask - 10
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 1
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 1
Crime Doctor - 1
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Harley Quinn - 10
Hugo Strange - 1
Joe Chill - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
KGBeast - 10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 1
Kite-Man - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Magpie - 10
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Monk - 1
Nocturna - 10
Outsider - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Ra's Al-Ghul - 10
Ratcatcher - 10
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Spook - 1
Sterling Silversmith - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 10
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 01:57 PM
Thanks for the fun facts Blacula!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 03:02 PM
Getaway Genius! That's it. I was stuck on Fadeaway Man for some reason, but his costume was different. Thanks, Nightcrawler!

Posted By: Eryk Davis Ester Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 03:21 PM
So that's a different character than the Getaway Master who fought the Martian Manhunter/JLA?
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/20/15 07:32 PM
I have started counting the votes, but will hold off on posting any results until tomorrow morning in case of any last minute votes.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 02:27 AM
Thanks also EDE and Nighty!

I have had fun reading up on all these villains. Black Spider and The Spook are the ones who pique my interest the most.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 02:58 AM
Thanks for saving me from some typing NC!@

Now I have a question about the list -

Who is Red Hood (Silver Age)? I thought that was just one of the Joker's many disguises? Or was it a separate character back then?
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 08:53 AM
I consider the Red Hood (Silver Age) to be a significant alternative version of the Joker, as it inspired the Modern Age Version. That's why it made the list. I tried to put as many known versions of the characters as possible on the list.

In retrospect, I regret not placing Elseworlds versions on this list; but that could be an Idol in itself so maybe we will see them another day.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 09:03 AM
I am always open to future Idols!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 11:55 AM
Results: The winner of this round if Clayface II with 56 points.

Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 56 100%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 55 98%
Deadshot 52 93%
Cavalier 51 91%

Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 50 89%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 50 89%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 50 89%
Joker (Silver Age) 49 88%
Riddler (Silver Age) 48 86%
Catman (Pre-New 52) 47 84%
Scarecrow 47 84%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 47 84%
Dr. Phosphorous 45 80%
Kite-Man 45 80%

Catman (Silver Age) 44 79%
Spellbinder I 44 79%
Talia Al Ghul 44 79%
Black Spider 43 77%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 43 77%
Signalman 43 77%
Anarky 42 75%
Copperhead 42 75%

The medium is around 41/40 points this round.
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 41 73%
Crazy Quilt 41 73%
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 40 71%
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 40 71%

Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 39 70%
Killer Moth 39 70%
Man-Bat 39 70%
Maxie Zeus 38 68%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 38 68%
Blockbuster I 37 66%
Cluemaster 37 66%
Harley Quinn 37 66%
Hugo Strange 37 66%
Mad-Hatter 37 66%
Tweedledee 37 66%


Characters close to being eliminated:

Nocturna 36 64%
Red Hood (Silver Age) 36 64%
Crime Doctor 35 63%
Penguin (Silver Age) 35 63%


Everyone that was eliminated this round:

KGBeast 31 55%
Sterling Silversmith 31 55%
Monk 30 54% <-- The first Bat-Villain is out.
Ratcatcher 30 54%
Spook 30 54%
Magpie 28 50%
Ra's Al-Ghul 28 50% <-- I am very surprised by this, given he was in a major movie pretty recently.

Black Mask 23 41%
Joe Chill 22 39%
Outsider 22 39%

Surprisingly, despite two players voting only 10s and 1s, the rate of characters eliminated remains at a steady 10 characters per round. It will be interesting to see if the rate increases after the margins shrink (less b or c listers to give half points to).

The next round will start this afternoon.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 12:11 PM
Now I slightly regret not giving Spook more points.

A bit surprised at how high up Cavalier was.

Two versions of Catman and two of Mr. Freeze still on te list! And two of Clayface but these are different people.

Nightcrawler also used the 1 and 10 tactic alongside Blacula and I.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 12:26 PM
I'm surprised Ra's was out too. Perhaps some folks *really* didn't like him popping up in Legion smile

I thought he'd be in the top 10. Personally, it wasn't a Batman era I've read much of, and it wasn't hugely referenced when I started picking up comics. They were considered very good stories even then though, and I got the feeling that people were letting enough time go by before bringing him back in.

Black Mask was around when I was reading Batman, and I thought he'd hang around a little longer in Idol.

Despite Joe Chill's importance to the Bat-mythos, he's not exactly a recurring villain in it, outside of very frequent flashbacks to the same scene. What about a story where we see Joe Chill's day? Has that been done?

I think I know Magpie more for her appearance in Legends than anything else.

My remaining memory of KGBeast, was of Batman facing an awkward conclusion, and choosing a path shaped by him being an older crime fighter. There was a moment where he was aged in his role.

Shame to see Super-Alfred in his Outsider guise going too.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 12:45 PM
A lot of us gave Ra's 9s or 10s last round. Personally I did it because I thought he was overused.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
A lot of us gave Ra's 9s or 10s last round. Personally I did it because I thought he was overused.


D`Oh! I reversed my points (again).
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 01:38 PM
Dave, your post made me go check the rules to see if I gave my points correctly too smile
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
A lot of us gave Ra's 9s or 10s last round. Personally I did it because I thought he was overused.


D`Oh! I reversed my points (again).


Should I do a recount or should we just move forward?

There is a very high chance there will be a Wild Card round, where you can pick a characters(s) that have been eliminated.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 08:00 PM
i say move forward
Such an interesting list overall

Nice job, Emily
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/21/15 08:30 PM
I'm amazed at the consistent love being shown toward Clayface (Silver Age). Unless you've all got some very valuable back-issues, that one panel he appeared in during Crisis must have made a big impression on everyone. wink
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 12:50 AM
Now that you've mentioned it Blacula, I've done a lot of reading up on the Clayfaces. Thanks wink
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula
I'm amazed at the consistent love being shown toward Clayface (Silver Age). Unless you've all got some very valuable back-issues, that one panel he appeared in during Crisis must have made a big impression on everyone. wink


I love the Silver Age. He was a member of the Anti-Justice League.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 09:20 AM
Big Silver Age fan here too.

I'm surprised so many others like him though considering he hasn't really made an appearance in 30 years.

And how have I never heard of the Anti-Justice League before?!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 09:47 AM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
A lot of us gave Ra's 9s or 10s last round. Personally I did it because I thought he was overused.


D`Oh! I reversed my points (again).


Should I do a recount or should we just move forward?

There is a very high chance there will be a Wild Card round, where you can pick a characters(s) that have been eliminated.
It's my fault, so no need for a redo. thanks.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 10:01 AM
We are now moving on to the next round:

Anarky
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Harley Quinn
Hugo Strange
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Kite-Man
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nocturna
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Talia Al Ghul
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 10:05 AM

Anarky 5
Black Spider 10
Blockbuster I 9
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 9
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 10
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 7
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 2
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 3
Harley Quinn 1
Hugo Strange 6
Joker (Silver Age) 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 8
Killer Moth 9
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 4
Man-Bat 9
Maxie Zeus 8
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 10
Nocturna 4
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Red Hood (Silver Age) 1
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 8
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tweedledee 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 2
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Blacula

And how have I never heard of the Anti-Justice League before?!



I was surprised too, but turns out they appeared in Action Comics, and not in the Justice League book!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 01:47 PM
Anarky - 1
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 1
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 10
Crime Doctor - 10
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Harley Quinn - 1
Hugo Strange - 1
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 10
Kite-Man - 10
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 10
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 10
Spellbinder I - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by Blacula
I'm surprised so many others like him though considering he hasn't really made an appearance in 30 years?!


I first saw him in Who's Who, but got at leas tone of his appearances off the back of that not long afterwards. The appearance I recall most for Hagen, is actually the Elseworlds Holy Terror.


Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I was surprised too, but turns out they appeared in Action Comics, and not in the Justice League book!


One of my very early DC Action Comics was also more of a JLA tale, with the group going up against Brainiac. It was the robot version then. I guess the writers occasionally had the thought that if the threat is planetary, shouldn't the League have some involvement.

The Anti-JLA here was one Morrison was looking at when he came up with his version for the Rock of Ages storyline in his run.


On with the votes...

Anarky -10
Black Spider -4
Blockbuster I -5
Calendar Man (Silver Age) -7
Catman (Pre-New 52) -5
Catman (Silver Age) -7
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 2
Cavalier -6
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) -2
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -1
Cluemaster -6
Copperhead -3
Crazy Quilt -8
Crime Doctor -8
Deadshot -1
Dr. Phosphorous –1
Harley Quinn -10
Hugo Strange -7
Joker (Silver Age) -4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -3
Killer Moth -6
Kite-Man -7
Mad-Hatter -3
Man-Bat - 2
Maxie Zeus -4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -6
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -6
Nocturna -1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 4
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) -4
Scarecrow -3
Signalman -4
Spellbinder I -6
Talia Al Ghul -6
Tweedledee -4
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -4
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -4
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 07:12 PM
Anarky...1
Black Spider...1
Blockbuster I...1
Calendar Man (Silver Age)...1
Catman (Pre-New 52)...10
Catman (Silver Age)...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)...10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Cluemaster...1
Copperhead...10
Crazy Quilt...1
Crime Doctor...10
Deadshot...10
Dr. Phosphorous...1
Harley Quinn...10
Hugo Strange...10
Joker (Silver Age)...10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Killer Moth...1
Kite-Man...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Man-Bat...1
Maxie Zeus...1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)...10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)...10
Nocturna...10
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Red Hood (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...10
Signalman...1
Spellbinder I...1
Talia Al Ghul...10
Tweedledee...10
Tweedledum (Dumfree)...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
I love the Silver Age. He was a member of the Anti-Justice League.


They are awesome!
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/22/15 07:22 PM
Anarky - 2
Black Spider - 2
Blockbuster I - 7
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 2
Catman (Pre-New 52) -1
Catman (Silver Age) -2
Catwoman (Golden Age) -1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 2
Cavalier -5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 9
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -5
Cluemaster -6
Copperhead -7
Crazy Quilt -5
Crime Doctor -3
Deadshot -1
Dr. Phosphorous –9
Harley Quinn -2
Hugo Strange -5
Joker (Silver Age) -4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -8
Killer Moth -5
Kite-Man -2
Mad-Hatter -7
Man-Bat - 2
Maxie Zeus -4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -7
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -8
Nocturna -9
Penguin (Silver Age) - 3
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -2
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) -2
Scarecrow -7
Signalman -6
Spellbinder I -9
Talia Al Ghul -2
Tweedledee -8
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -10
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -4
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/23/15 07:40 AM
Anarky 8
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 10
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Catwoman (Silver Age) 5
Cavalier 5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 3
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 5
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 10
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 10
Harley Quinn 8
Hugo Strange 5
Joker (Silver Age) 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Moth 5
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 3
Man-Bat 1
Maxie Zeus 4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 6
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 4
Nocturna 5
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Red Hood (Silver Age) 10
Riddler (Silver Age) 5
Scarecrow 5
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 10
Talia Al Ghul 1
Tweedledee 4
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 4
Two-Face (Golden Age) 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/25/15 06:41 PM
I have decided to postpone the end of the round until Friday night in case people in US are traveling for Thanksgiving today and tomorrow.
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/26/15 12:09 AM
Anarky - 10
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 1
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 1
Crime Doctor - 1
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Harley Quinn - 10
Hugo Strange - 1
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 1
Kite-Man - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 10
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/27/15 04:29 PM
Due to the Thanksgiving Holiday, I am posting an additional reminder. I have begun to tabulate the votes. Please submit any last minute votes by 6:45 P.M Central Time.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/27/15 08:36 PM
Here are the results as promised.

The winner of this round is: Deadshot!

The medium of this round is at around the 78-80% mark.

Deadshot 61 100%
Man-Bat 60 98%
Black Spider 55 90%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 55 90%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 55 90%

Killer Croc (Bronze Age)54 89%
Talia Al Ghul 54 89%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 54 89%
Riddler (Silver Age) 53 87%
Dr. Phosphorous 51 84%
Catman (Silver Age) 50 82%
Joker (Silver Age) 50 82%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 50 82%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)50 82%
Cavalier 49 80%
Scarecrow 49 80%

Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 48 79%
Mad-Hatter 48 79%
Penguin (Silver Age) 48 79%
Tweedledee 48 79%
Blockbuster I 47 77%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 46 75%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 46 75%
Maxie Zeus 45 74%
Copperhead 43 70%

Cluemaster 42 69%
Hugo Strange 42 69%
Anarky 40 65%
Killer Moth 40 65%


Close to Elimination:

Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 37 61%
Nocturna 37 61%


The following characters are eliminated:

Calendar Man (Silver Age) 36 59%
Kite-Man 36 59%
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 36 59%

Harley Quinn 35 57% --> Your game host is thoroughly upset. I was hoping she would win the Tournament.

Signalman 35 57%
Crime Doctor 33 54%
Crazy Quilt 32 52%
Spellbinder I 32 52% --> I do like the visuals even thouhg I know so little about the character
Catman (Pre-New 52) 30 49% --> I mourn for you too.
Red Hood (Silver Age) 25 42%

I shall absolve my tears in my favorite fan video before I begin the next round:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYa6FWdesk&spfreload=10

Please Read and Respond

In all seriousness, please suggest ideas for the seemingly inevitable Wild Card Round. We have consistently cut 10 characters in most rounds, which leaves us with 31 characters. If we are at 21 characters at the end of next round, I'm going to do a Wild Card Round to get back to an even 30 and then change the point system the following round. If we get less than 20, but more than 14 then we will make up whatever difference it is to get 15.

The thing I need help in deciding is who to include in the Wild Card Round.

1) All Eliminated Characters
2) All Eliminated After Initial (1 or 0) Rounds
3) Eliminated that made Top 100 or so
4) Eliminated that made Top 50 or so
5) Write-In Suggestion
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/28/15 06:00 AM
I'm a bit surprised at the early exits of Harley Quinn and the pre-new 52 Catman too. I did think they would be more popular. However, Modern Age characters have in general done poorly in this Idol.

A tad surprised that Tweedledee and Tweedledum didn't get the same number of points. I always thought they would be a pair.

I like the idea of a Write-in Round for Wild Cards. Characters who never made the initial list can get a chance to join the game.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/28/15 08:44 PM
Anarky
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Dr. Phosphorous
Deadshot
Hugo Strange
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nocturna
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Talia Al Ghul
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)

Please also submit your opinion in regards to the the Wild Card Round with this round of votes.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/28/15 08:52 PM
Anarky 6
Black Spider 10
Blockbuster I 8
Catman (Silver Age) 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 8
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 10
Cluemaster 9
Copperhead 7
Dr. Phosphorous 7
Deadshot 1
Hugo Strange 6
Joker (Silver Age) 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 9
Killer Moth 9
Mad-Hatter 3
Man-Bat 6
Maxie Zeus 8
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 10
Nocturna 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tweedledee 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 3
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 09:43 AM
Of those who have departed...

Calendar Man - I recall more for the distinctive costume (that used be enough to sell a book), but there must have been lots of scope for date based crimes.

Kite-Man - More than the character himself, I recall someone a few years ago saying he could be brought back as a serial killer who takes kite shaped skin grafts form his victims. It was meant as a comment on just how grim comics had got as every villain was a crazed multiple murderer.

Mister Freeze - Wasn't someone who was getting lots of attention when I was reading Batman.

Harley Quinn - I've probably seen her more flipping through Suicide Squad in the shop than in anything Bat-related. There, she's the embodiment of pointless violence with no repercussions or sustainability of belief.

Signalman - Another distinctive guy, who I remember in a Perez drawn JLA story.

Crime Doctor - I always thought he had a bit of down to earth scary potential. Unlike Crazy Quilt who was quite mad.

Spellbinder I - a really distinctive costume that reminds me of Odd Man. His name seemed at odds with a Bat-Book. While I was looking at pages for this Idol, I noticed that he has a pretty cool Batman Beyond costume.

Catman was a bit of a joke character before recent years. I felt a bit sorry for the way he had been written. They certainly revitalised him, even if it was a little clichéd sounding.

As for the Red Hood, I misread the era for this one. The only one I would have voted for would have been the one that appeared in the Animal Story. smile
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Of those who have departed...
Harley Quinn - I've probably seen her more flipping through Suicide Squad in the shop than in anything Bat-related. There, she's the embodiment of pointless violence with no repercussions or sustainability of belief.


I met Harley Quinn in the animated series when I was a little girl. I always like her costume and still remember her adventures with Poison Ivy. I also like her positive attitude, bubbly personality...and it sounds like I'm not talking about a villain, does it? I guess that's part of the reason DC revised her to be at least an Anti-Heroine in the New 52. She's really marketable.

She also reminds me of a friend I had that was in an abusive relationship, so there is that as well. She's really relatable.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 10:02 AM
Anarky -10
Black Spider -5
Blockbuster I -7
Catman (Silver Age) -10
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 5
Cavalier -7
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 3
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 3
Cluemaster -7
Copperhead -5
Deadshot -5
Dr. Phosphorous –3
Hugo Strange -5
Joker (Silver Age) -3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -5
Killer Moth -10
Mad-Hatter -5
Man-Bat - 5
Maxie Zeus -5
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -7
Nocturna -1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 7
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Riddler (Silver Age) -7
Scarecrow -3
Talia Al Ghul -7
Tweedledee -5
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -5
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -5

As for Wild Cards, there's no one I'm desperate to see back in. So I'm happy to wait for the numbers to see if it's a everyone gets to bring one back or whether it's something broader like points allocation across all eliminations and the top X make it back in.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 10:06 AM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
I met Harley Quinn in the animated series when I was a little girl. I always like her costume and still remember her adventures with Poison Ivy. I also like her positive attitude, bubbly personality...and it sounds like I'm not talking about a villain, does it? I guess that's part of the reason DC revised her to be at least an Anti-Heroine in the New 52. She's really marketable.

She also reminds me of a friend I had that was in an abusive relationship, so there is that as well. She's really relatable.


It's the marketable part of the character I keep bumping into whenever I see her. I'm dimly aware of a more complicated back story, but that's not the part I see. I put her in the Lobo, Deadpool category of characters. Marketable ultra violence. Or distilled Wolverine smile
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 10:08 AM
Anarky 3
Black Spider 2
Blockbuster I 8
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 2
Cavalier 3
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 6
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Cluemaster 8
Copperhead 7
Dr. Phosphorous 9
Deadshot 1
Hugo Strange 5
Joker (Silver Age) 3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 8
Killer Moth 4
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 4
Maxie Zeus 4
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 7
Nocturna 8
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 4
Riddler (Silver Age) 3
Scarecrow 3
Talia Al Ghul 3
Tweedledee 8
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) 6
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3

As for the wild card round, I'm ok with any system. If the name your own system is feasible, then people would be able to add into the mix people that were overlooked or not considered. But it's about what's simplest for the game.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by thoth lad


It's the marketable part of the character I keep bumping into whenever I see her. I'm dimly aware of a more complicated back story, but that's not the part I see. I put her in the Lobo, Deadpool category of characters. Marketable ultra violence. Or distilled Wolverine smile


That's a great way to name it, Thoth. I have a similar reaction to that character oeuvre ... and for me, it's only compelling when I'm in a certain mood.

This voting has been interesting overall, because I find myself voting based on whether I would have picked up a Batman book based on the villain's involvement on the cover. Because of that, I've been scoring high for some of the more visually appealing ones (Cat Man, Anarky, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Crazy Quilt, etc.) and less for the ones that I found boring (Blockbuster, Bane, etc.).
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 11:08 AM
Anarky...1
Black Spider...1
Blockbuster I...1
Catman (Silver Age)...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)...10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Cluemaster...1
Copperhead...10
Dr. Phosphorous...1
Deadshot...10
Hugo Strange...10
Joker (Silver Age)...10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Killer Moth...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Man-Bat...1
Maxie Zeus...1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)...10
Nocturna...1
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...10
Talia Al Ghul...10
Tweedledee...10
Tweedledum (Dumfree)...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1

I have no preference for the Wild Card round. I know they're a staple in Idol games but I've never quite seen the point to them since the returning character usually only lasts a couple of rounds before being voted out again.

That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?).
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by thoth lad

Signalman - Another distinctive guy, who I remember in a Perez drawn JLA story.

Crime Doctor - I always thought he had a bit of down to earth scary potential. Unlike Crazy Quilt who was quite mad.




I remember the Signalman from a JLA/JSA team up too. Always thought he was an odd choice for the Bat-villain in that team up, as I never really found him a particularly prominent villain.

Crime Doctor's love and skill for torture certainly made him seem very scary.

Originally Posted by Blacula


That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?).


It was Titans I believe. Flamebird returned during the Wild Card Round and made it to the Top 3, almost beating Kole for the win.

Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
Originally Posted by thoth lad


It's the marketable part of the character I keep bumping into whenever I see her. I'm dimly aware of a more complicated back story, but that's not the part I see. I put her in the Lobo, Deadpool category of characters. Marketable ultra violence. Or distilled Wolverine smile


That's a great way to name it, Thoth. I have a similar reaction to that character oeuvre ... and for me, it's only compelling when I'm in a certain mood.

This voting has been interesting overall, because I find myself voting based on whether I would have picked up a Batman book based on the villain's involvement on the cover. Because of that, I've been scoring high for some of the more visually appealing ones (Cat Man, Anarky, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Crazy Quilt, etc.) and less for the ones that I found boring (Blockbuster, Bane, etc.).


Some of these villains' looks certainly intrigued me - Spellbinder, Crazy Quilt, Cavalier, Captain Stingaree, The Spook, Nocturna, among others.

As for Harley, I found her a bit bubbly-fun, which can get old through overexposure. Still, I have to say she's quite the successful character (in terms of usage) considering she's relatively new.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula
...
I have no preference for the Wild Card round. I know they're a staple in Idol games but I've never quite seen the point to them since the returning character usually only lasts a couple of rounds before being voted out again.

That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?).


The main point of them is because we don't have nice round even numbers; and unless by great luck we get even numbers or a number ending by five in the next round we risk ending up with a Top 3 Instead of a Top 2 at the end of the game. It's just easier for me to calculate.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 11:18 AM
Anarky - 1
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 10
Cluemaster - 10
Copperhead - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Deadshot - 1
Hugo Strange - 1
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 10
Killer Moth - 10
Mad-Hatter - 10
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
Originally Posted by Blacula
...
I have no preference for the Wild Card round. I know they're a staple in Idol games but I've never quite seen the point to them since the returning character usually only lasts a couple of rounds before being voted out again.

That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?).


The main point of them is because we don't have nice round even numbers; and unless by great luck we get even numbers or a number ending by five in the next round we risk ending up with a Top 3 Instead of a Top 2 at the end of the game. It's just easier for me to calculate.


As Blacula mentioned though, the Wild Card was a huge upset in Titans Idol. Flamebird returned and managed to make it all the way to the final round, placing within the Top 3. So you never know...
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 11:50 AM
I'd have voted for Flamebird smile Retroactive votes don't count?! It's posted in the wrong Idol thread?! Bah!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 12:03 PM
You're about 2 years too late I believe smile
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 12:11 PM
I thought someone who traps time would be more sympathetic smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 05:34 PM
I may trap time but it does not make counting votes any less tedious tongue
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/29/15 07:01 PM
My thoughts on the Wild Card: We have a pretty low number of participants, why not just have everyone bring back one character that round?
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 08:20 AM
Anarky 10
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 3
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Catwoman (Silver Age) 5
Cavalier 10
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 3
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 5
Dr. Phosphorous 5
Deadshot 1
Hugo Strange 1
Joker (Silver Age) 3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Moth 5
Mad-Hatter 4
Man-Bat 1
Maxie Zeus 5
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 5
Nocturna 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 2
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 4
Riddler (Silver Age) 3
Scarecrow 2
Talia Al Ghul 1
Tweedledee 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 3
Two-Face (Golden Age) 3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 10:28 AM
Anarky - 10
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 10
Copperhead - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 10
Deadshot - 10
Hugo Strange - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 10
Tweedledee - 10
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 10
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 11:01 AM
I will be tabulating the votes today. Please submit any last minute votes by 9:40 P.M today Central Time. After I tabulate the votes, one of two things will occur:

1) We get even numbers or number ending with five, therefore no need for Wild Card round at this time.

2) We don't get even numbers or a number ending with five, in which case we do a Wild Card Round. It will probably be a Write-In Round. If we need more characters than posters present, I will use a random number generator to fill in the missing spots. If there are more posters than characters needed, it will be up for a general vote to decide who qualifies for the Wild Card Round.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 11:51 AM
Thanks, Emily
This is fascinating to watch... I've been trying to figure out the mechanics of it so I can host one in the future
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 01:18 PM
Emily has introduced some interesting new changes to the mechanics. As a previous Idol host I find them refreshing.

Would love to have you run some in the future too Myg.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 06:01 PM
I'm busy looking up famous statuettes from the DCU, so I can run Idol Idol.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 07:22 PM
The Legion would dominate that game. Their idols can give you powers!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 08:01 PM
I think the Seven Deadlies might give them the edge there.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 11/30/15 10:31 PM
The Winner of this Round is Man-Bat.

Man-Bat 58 100%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 55 94%
Joker (Silver Age) 55 94%
Black Spider 54 93%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 52 90%

Riddler (Silver Age) 51 88%
Mad-Hatter 49 84%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 49 84%
Deadshot 48 83%
Scarecrow 47 81%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 47 81%

Cavalier 46 79%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 44 76%
Penguin (Silver Age) 44 76%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 43 74%
Talia Al Ghul 43 74%
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 42 72%
Nocturna 42 72%
Copperhead 41 71%
Dr. Phosphorous 41 71%


In the interest of time, I have decided to eliminate everyone that got less than 70%--that is a C grade. Otherwise, we would have only eliminated two characters this round.

Blockbuster I 39 67%
Hugo Strange 39 67% <-- A little surprising given his role in a recent popular video game.

Killer Moth 37 64%
Tweedledee 37 64% <-- Only two Golden Age characters remain in the Tournament by my count.

Anarky 36 62%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 36 62% <-- I kept voting for him because he looks like the Phantom of the Opera.
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 36 62%
Catman (Silver Age) 35 60%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 35 60%
Maxie Zeus 34 59%
Cluemaster 22 38%

A total of 11 characters were eliminated this round. There will be no Wild Card Round yet. A new round will be up early tomorrow evening.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 01:35 AM
The bloodbath continues! Am I correct that Catwoman is the only one to have two versions remaining?
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 08:05 AM
Interesting to see Nocturna hanging in there. Who knew she made such an impression on early Jason Todd fans? Who knew she'd outlast Harley?

She, Croc and Ventiloquist are the last of the 80's created villains that I can see. Meaning the rest are at least 30+ years old.

EDITED: Forgot Croc.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 05:30 PM
Some interesting ones going this round.

Blockbuster I - The foe who could easily outmuscle Bats, forcing him to rely on his wits.
Hugo Strange - The man who knew Bats identity, tearing away the Wayne/Batman masks.

Clayface I (Karlo) - I thought his Who's Who entry was very dated looking. But he's appealed more as I've got older. His is a story of revenge and horror in the style of classic horror movies.

Clayface is the man of a thousand faces like a twisted Lon Chaney. It links him thematically with the Joker who was visually Conrad Veidt as The Man Who Laughed. I've wondered if the Hugo in Hugo Strange was after Victor Hugo who wrote the novel. Then there's the Jeckyll & Hyde inspiration for Harvey Dent, which had been filmed numerous times.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum have a different literary origin, but certainly continue to emphasise the threads of insanity that underpin the best of Gotham's criminals.

I thought Mister Freeze would have been more popular. There was a time when he seemed to be a big Bat-Villain. He didn't really appear in many comics I had, and didn't impress when he did. Besides I was reading about Captian Cold and Killer Frost and there was the Cryogenic Man over in Outsiders so it's not as though there was a shortage of similar characters. Icicle from the JLA/JSA crossover ...

I recall the art on Maxie Zeus both in Who's Who and the Outsiders more than the character himself. I quite liked the New Olympians at the time and they were something different. Visually quite distinctive. Was that Willingham?

Killer Moth's villainous costume, with others, attacked the JLA and that's where I know him best from. He was an anti batman at one point, saving crooks from the authorities. That was probably when he was at his best, rather than just another costumed villain.

I know the Cluemaster mainly from his appearances in Justice League. He was actually the most interesting of the group. But why have Clues when you have Riddles I guess.

As for Nocturna, I was happily surprised that she made it past the earliest rounds, so I've been giving my support. More on why later on I hope.

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 06:48 PM
Black Spider
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Copperhead
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Nocturna
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Talia Al Ghul
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
~~~
My votes:

Black Spider 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 8
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 10
Copperhead 8
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 5
Joker (Silver Age) 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 8
Mad-Hatter 2
Man-Bat 7
Nocturna 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 9
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two-Face (Golden Age) 2
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5

I've been voting for Nocturna because she looks visually cool. She has a nice entry in a Batman guide I own.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Interesting to see Nocturna hanging in there. Who knew she made such an impression on early Jason Todd fans? Who knew she'd outlast Harley?

She, Croc and Ventiloquist are the last of the 80's created villains that I can see. Meaning the rest are at least 30+ years old.



EDITED: Forgot Croc.


I never actually read a comic with Nocturna in it, but her bios on wikipedia etc have intrigued me.

Like with thoth, I encountered Cluemaster during the Giffen JLA era. Always felt he was overshadowed by the rest though.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 09:15 PM
Black Spider 4
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 3
Cavalier 3
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 2
Copperhead 8
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 8
Joker (Silver Age) 2
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 4
Nocturna 9
Penguin (Silver Age) 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 2
Scarecrow 4
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two-Face (Golden Age) 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 09:18 PM
Quite a culled list! I'm sorry to see some of the zanier ones go (ahhh, Kite Man, Crazy Quilt, Terrible Trio) ... and I'm NOT sorry to see some of the more aggro ones go

A little surprised at the perseverance of some - it's nice to see how these villains fare across all our opinions

Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/01/15 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad

I recall the art on Maxie Zeus both in Who's Who and the Outsiders more than the character himself. I quite liked the New Olympians at the time and they were something different. Visually quite distinctive. Was that Willingham?


I loved that storyline! And yeah, that was Willingham, right as his Elementals were blowing up
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/02/15 07:44 AM
Black Spider 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 10
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 1
Copperhead 10
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 10
Joker (Silver Age) 10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 1
Nocturna 5
Penguin (Silver Age) 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 10
Riddler (Silver Age) 6
Scarecrow 3
Talia Al Ghul 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) 3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 10
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/02/15 08:35 AM
Black Spider...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Copperhead...10
Deadshot...10
Dr. Phosphorous...1
Joker (Silver Age)...10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Man-Bat...1
Nocturna...1
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...1
Talia Al Ghul...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/02/15 09:53 AM
Black Spider - 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Copperhead - 1
Deadshot - 10
Dr. Phosphorous - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 10
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Nocturna - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 10
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/02/15 10:07 AM
lack Spider - 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Copperhead - 10
Deadshot - 10
Dr. Phosphorous - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 10
Mad-Hatter - 10
Man-Bat - 10
Nocturna - 1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) - 10
Scarecrow - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/02/15 02:08 PM
Black Spider 8
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 8
Cavalier 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 1
Copperhead 10
Deadshot 2
Dr. Phosphorous 1
Joker (Silver Age) 3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 10
Mad-Hatter 8
Man-Bat 1
Nocturna 1
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 7
Riddler (Silver Age) 8
Scarecrow 4
Talia Al Ghul 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 8
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/03/15 07:32 PM
The winner of this round is Clayface II with 60 points. That is quite the accomplishment, as the largest amount a character could have got this round was 70 points.

Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)60 100%

Two-Face (Golden Age) 55 92%
Scarecrow 53 88%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 52 87%
Man-Bat 52 87%

Cavalier 43 72%
Nocturna 43 72%
Deadshot 42 70%
Dr. Phosphorous 42 70%

Talia Al Ghul 41 68%
Joker (Silver Age) 40 67%
Riddler (Silver Age) 39 65%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 38 63%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 37 62%


Close to being Eliminated:
Mad-Hatter 36 60%

Eliminated This Round:

Penguin (Silver Age) 35 58%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 34 57%
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 30 50%
Black Spider 24 40%
Copperhead 20 33%

Please Read Before Voting: Harley Quinn Surprise Experiment!

Since we are under 20 characters and at a multiple of five, I am going to experiment with changing the system to be multiples of five. This may improve the margins in late game rounds.

5 <- lowest you can give a character
10
15
20
25
30
35
40
45
50<- highest you can give a character

Oh, and the surprise is that Harley Quinn brought pudding. Virtual pudding that is. wink
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/03/15 07:35 PM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 10
Deadshot 30
Dr. Phosphorous 15
Joker (Silver Age) 50
Mad-Hatter 35
Man-Bat 20
Nocturna 30
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 35
Riddler (Silver Age) 40
Scarecrow 40
Talia Al Ghul 50
Two-Face (Golden Age) 45
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 45
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/03/15 11:29 PM
Are we still reversing points? How many points will a character get if we assign them 5?
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/03/15 11:35 PM
No, we are not still reversing points at this point. The points now equal what is assigned and will remain that way until the end of the game. I will probably be widening the gap in points until the last round (or two if needed) when it will be pretty much all or nothing.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/04/15 02:00 AM
Thanks for clarifying Emily. Sounds exciting.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/04/15 06:38 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 45
Catwoman (Golden Age) 25
Cavalier 5
Deadshot 50
Dr. Phosphorous 10
Joker (Silver Age) 35
Mad-Hatter 30
Man-Bat 50
Nocturna 30
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 15
Riddler (Silver Age) 35
Scarecrow 40
Talia Al Ghul 40
Two-Face (Golden Age) 45
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 20


EDIT: Missed one.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/04/15 09:02 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 45
Cavalier 15
Deadshot 50
Dr. Phosphorous 15
Joker (Silver Age) 35
Mad-Hatter 35
Man-Bat 25
Nocturna 15
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 30
Riddler (Silver Age) 45
Scarecrow 25
Talia Al Ghul 50
Two-Face (Golden Age) 35
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 30
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/04/15 09:02 AM
Agh this one is hard because there are too many I like!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/04/15 12:05 PM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 50
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 50
Deadshot 5
Dr. Phosphorous 25
Joker (Silver Age) 50
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 5
Nocturna 50
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 50
Riddler (Silver Age) 5
Scarecrow 5
Talia Al Ghul 50
Two-Face (Golden Age) 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/04/15 12:32 PM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 50
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 50
Cavalier - 30
Deadshot - 5
Dr. Phosphorous - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 50
Mad-Hatter - 50
Man-Bat - 50
Nocturna - 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 50
Riddler (Silver Age) - 50
Scarecrow - 50
Talia Al Ghul - 40
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 50
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 30
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/05/15 08:44 PM
There are no real favourites that have left this round

The Penguin was rarely used when I was reading Bats. I remember him being more useful in Suicide Squad (with a set up capture from Mark Shaw: Manhunter)

We still have the Golden Age Catwoman

Black Spider was notable for being a more ruthless vigilante than Batman. At least at first, before he seemed to be another Bat-Villain out for revenge.

When Elongated Man goes bad: Copperhead. Provides lots of stretching in and out of crime scenes and constricting victims. It can be tricky giving Bats a super powered foe, rather than a nits one. Copperhead seemed to work.

I only really read the early Killer Croc issues and I can't say he ever impressed me too much. Jason Todd didn't really impress me much either.

Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/05/15 08:49 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 20
Deadshot 50
Dr. Phosphorous 50
Joker (Silver Age) 5
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 35
Nocturna 50
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 5
Scarecrow 5
Talia Al Ghul 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/05/15 11:14 PM
I will tally the votes tomorrow night, as typically we get seven voters and only six voters have turned up so far. The voting is extended until 7:35 P.M Sunday, US Central Time.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 05:38 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...50
Catwoman (Golden Age)...5
Cavalier...50
Deadshot...5
Dr. Phosphorous...50
Joker (Silver Age)...5
Mad-Hatter...5
Man-Bat...50
Nocturna...50
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...5
Riddler (Silver Age)...5
Scarecrow...5
Talia Al Ghul...5
Two-Face (Golden Age)...5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...50
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 04:27 PM
Note: Emily, you've not given the Riddler any points on your post.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 06:33 PM
Thank you for letting me know. I have edited my post accordingly. I have also started tabulating the votes for this round. Any edits or last minute votes should be done in two hours, or you will miss the deadline.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 08:25 PM
Clayface II wins another round of the Idol.

Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 255 100%
Talia Al Ghul 245 96%
Man-Bat 235 92%
Nocturna 235 92%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 230 91%
Joker (Silver Age) 230 91%

Deadshot 195 76%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 190 75%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 190 75%
Riddler (Silver Age) 185 76%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 185 76%


Close to Being Eliminated

Cavalier 180 71%

Characters Eliminated This Round
Dr. Phosphorous 175 69% <-- I was voting him because he looked cool.

Scarecrow 170 67% <-- I am saddened by this. I thought he would make Top 5 at the least.

Mad-Hatter 165 65% <-- I am happy he lasted this far.

We have 12 characters remaining, so no need for a Wild Card Round at this time. If get to 5 or less characters without a Wild Card, I will call one regardless of how many are remaining, as it is tradition.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 08:28 PM
Here is the list for the next round:

Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Cavalier
Deadshot
Joker (Silver Age)
Man-Bat
Nocturna
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Talia Al Ghul
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)

Here is the scale again for reference:

5 <- lowest you can give a character
10
15
20
25
30
35
40
45
50<- highest you can give a character

I will be increasing the point increments again as the number of characters narrows, but see no need to at this time.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 08:30 PM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 10
Deadshot 30
Joker (Silver Age) 50
Man-Bat 30
Nocturna 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 20
Riddler (Silver Age) 40
Talia Al Ghul 45
Two-Face (Golden Age) 30
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 20
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/06/15 10:44 PM
Pleasantly surprised to see obscure (from my point of view) or newer characters like Cavalier or Nocturna making it this far. Also a bit surprised at Scarecrow's exit.

I always associated Deadshot more with the Suicide Squad than as a Batman villain. I shall look up some of his Bat-appearances.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 12:52 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 50
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 50
Cavalier - 50
Deadshot - 5
Joker (Silver Age) - 50
Man-Bat - 5
Nocturna - 50
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 50
Riddler (Silver Age) - 5
Talia Al Ghul - 50
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 5
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 09:31 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 15
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 35
Deadshot 50
Joker (Silver Age) 40
Man-Bat 25
Nocturna 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 35
Riddler (Silver Age) 45
Talia Al Ghul 45
Two-Face (Golden Age) 45
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 35
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 09:33 AM
I always thought Deadshot had one of the coolest visuals .. when he appeared on the cover of a Bat-book, I definitely picked it up
He did get WAY more developed in Suicide Squad

I'm a little surprised at how well some of these folks are doing ... But that's part of the surprise.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 11:46 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 45
Catwoman (Golden Age) 25
Cavalier 5
Deadshot 50
Joker (Silver Age) 30
Man-Bat 50
Nocturna 20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 10
Riddler (Silver Age) 35
Talia Al Ghul 45
Two-Face (Golden Age) 40
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 15
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 01:09 PM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 50
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 50
Cavalier - 45
Deadshot - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 50
Man-Bat - 50
Nocturna - 30
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 50
Riddler (Silver Age) - 50
Talia Al Ghul - 40
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 50
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 40
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 03:10 PM
I also though Scarecrow would be in the running for the final few places. I thought he'd last longer than our Alice inspired villain. But the Hatter had his demented moments.

Dr. Phosphorous did look cool. He was lethal, just by being himself. I always wondered how he lived. Busted going to the shops. Unable to really travel without getting recognised or at least drawing suspicion.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 03:26 PM
There's probably an entirely untold story about the Villain's Travel Agency
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 03:34 PM
As the JLA had a satellite, the Injustice Gang also had one. As the JLA had a teleportation network...
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 03:42 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 10
Cavalier 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 40
Deadshot 50
Joker (Silver Age) 5
Man-Bat 5
Nocturna 50
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 5
Talia Al Ghul 5
Two-Face (Golden Age) 5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
I also though Scarecrow would be in the running for the final few places. I thought he'd last longer than our Alice inspired villain...


If I wasn't so devoted to Harley, he would be my write-in candidate for the Wild Card Round. I really enjoyed Cillian Murphy's portrayal in the movie.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/07/15 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Dr. Phosphorous did look cool. He was lethal, just by being himself. I always wondered how he lived.


I will always remember him for that panel in COIE where he burns the Earth-2 Hawkman.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/08/15 08:32 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...50
Catwoman (Golden Age)...5
Cavalier...50
Deadshot...5
Joker (Silver Age)...5
Man-Bat...50
Nocturna...50
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...5
Riddler (Silver Age)...5
Talia Al Ghul...5
Two-Face (Golden Age)...5
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...50
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/08/15 06:23 PM
I have begun to tabulate the votes for this round. Please submit any last minute votes or last minute edits by 7:30 P.M U.S Central Time.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/08/15 08:25 PM
There is a three-way tie this round between Catwoman, Cavalier, and Talia Al Ghul.

Catwoman (Golden Age) 235 100%
Cavalier 235 100%
Talia Al Ghul 235 100%

Joker (Silver Age) 230 98%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 225 96%
Nocturna 220 94%
Man-Bat 215 215 91%

Deadshot 200 85%

It was a very tight round, so I am forced to eliminate everyone that got less than 80%.

Riddler (Silver Age) 185 79% <- I feel he should have made top 5, if only for his influence and popularity in the 1960s.
Two-Face (Golden Age) 180 77% <- Catwoman is the only Golden Age version left in the Idol.

Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 175 74%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 170 72% <- I am glad he survived this far.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/08/15 10:27 PM
I honestly thought Poison Ivy would give Tali and Nocturna a run for their money. Now all 3 females left have had some hints of romance with Batman.

I agree I thought Riddler would last longer given his prominence. Not just in the books but also on TV

Pleasantly surprised to see Cavalier doing so well!!! I hve to admit I like him partly cause he was revealed to be gay
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/09/15 06:31 PM
I am starting the new round at this time so it will be earlier when I tally the votes.

Catwoman (Golden Age)
Cavalier
Clayfave II
Deadshot
Joker (Silver Age)
Man-Bat
Nocturna
Talia Al Ghul

It is highly probable that the Wild Card Round will be after this, so make your choices wisely. If we end up needing more characters than active voters, I will be forced to draw the remaining names from the Random Generator. It is not a respecter of persons.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/09/15 06:32 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 10
Clayfave II 5
Deadshot 30
Joker (Silver Age) 30
Man-Bat 20
Nocturna 25
Talia Al Ghul 40
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/09/15 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Originally Posted by thoth lad


Dr. Phosphorous did look cool. He was lethal, just by being himself. I always wondered how he lived.


I will always remember him for that panel in COIE where he burns the Earth-2 Hawkman.


Yeah, that's my first thought of him too.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/09/15 09:24 PM
Great minds wink

Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 50
Clayfave II 5
Deadshot 5
Joker (Silver Age) 5
Man-Bat 5
Nocturna 50
Talia Al Ghul 50
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/09/15 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
It was a very tight round, so I am forced to eliminate everyone that got less than 80%.

Riddler (Silver Age) 185 79% <- I feel he should have made top 5, if only for his influence and popularity in the 1960s.
Two-Face (Golden Age) 180 77% <- Catwoman is the only Golden Age version left in the Idol.

Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 175 74%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 170 72% <- I am glad he survived this far.


I thought that all of these would have got further than some of the characters who are left.

Emily mentioned the '60s for the Riddler and that's pretty much where he was for me. I don't think he appeared in any of the Bat books I was reading. Since I seem to say that a lot about 2classic" Bat Villains, it shows that DC were clearly crating a lot of other foes for Batman back then. Alternately, they may have had there head in the sand when it came to exploiting certain properties.

By the nature of her powers, Ivy was tangentially linked with Swamp Thing and Black Orchid. She controlled lots of plant life in Crisis too. So it was a good time for her back then. I read more of her in Suicide Squad where she kept Count Vertigo on a leash.

The Jekyll and Hyde of Two Face I thought would be a contender to win this. The levels of duality that he can represent make him a very strong character when written even half decently.

The Ventriloquist seems a little dated now, but there's always been a chilling quality to animated dummies. The Dummy had been a Golden Age character and there were films form Devil Dolls to Puppetmaster.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/09/15 09:39 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 35
Clayface II 30
Deadshot 50
Joker (Silver Age) 40
Man-Bat 20
Nocturna 15
Talia Al Ghul 45
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/10/15 07:30 AM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Cavalier 5
Clayface II 5
Deadshot 50
Joker (Silver Age) 5
Man-Bat 50
Nocturna 5
Talia Al Ghul 50
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/11/15 05:25 AM
Catwoman (Golden Age)...5
Cavalier...50
Clayfave II...50
Deadshot...5
Joker (Silver Age)...5
Man-Bat...50
Nocturna...50
Talia Al Ghul...5
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/12/15 09:10 AM
We are missing two voters, so I'm going to extend the voting until tomorrow morning at 8:00 A.M Central Time.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/12/15 09:11 AM
Eeek! Just doing it now!

EDIT: Tough round
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/12/15 01:27 PM
Yup, A toughie. Since we're down to just eight, here's my brief thoughts on each.

Catwoman - A jewel thief who would attempt the riskiest of robberies. Would become a break out character in later ages.
Cavalier - A criminal with a Muskateer gimmick, who became easily beatable even in a joke JLA story.
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - A malleable horror, scarier than the original (with a worse origin) but replicated in other "monster" characters.
Deadshot - A distinctive villain with roots in Waynes social class. But his break out came in Suicide Squad and hasn't been topped anywhere near a Bat-title.
Joker (Silver Age) - The chaos against the order Batman looks to put into place. When written well, he's a good character, interchangeable with other Bat-Villains when done poorly, and grim without a reason when written very poorly.
Man-Bat - A tormented duality along more traditional lines than Two-Face. Langstrom has been treated poorly in other books.
Nocturna - An alabaster skinned femme fatale figure who I remember best in the lightning streaked crimson skies of the Crisis.
Talia Al Ghul - Although tied to Bats through a romance/ lineage story she is also a capable criminal mastermind, with a global scale, in her own right.

Now some points:-

Catwoman (Golden Age) 50
Cavalier 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Deadshot 30
Joker (Silver Age) 50
Man-Bat 5
Nocturna 15
Talia Al Ghul 5

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 09:25 AM
Here are the results:

Catwoman (Golden Age) 210 100%
Talia Al Ghul 195 93%
Deadshot 170 80%
Nocturna 160 76%
Cavalier 155 74%
Man-Bat 150 71%


Eliminated this Round:

Joker (Silver Age) 135 64%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 100 48%

We have six characters left. After the next round, we will have a Wild Card Round.

Slight Change to the scale this round to take in account of the diminishing number of characters.

6 <- Lowest you can give a character
12
18
24
30
36
42
48
54
60 <- Highest you can give a character
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 09:28 AM
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Deadshot
Cavalier
Nocturna
Man-Bat
Talia Al Ghul

~~~~
Catwoman (Golden Age) 60
Deadshot 30
Cavalier 6
Nocturna 6
Man-Bat 6
Talia Al Ghul 54
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 01:39 PM
Wow. Hard to imagine the Joker not being in the final rounds (Wildcard excepting)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 02:30 PM
Wow
that's unexpected
While I'm not the biggest Joker fan, I too thought he'd be at the end
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 03:36 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 54
Deadshot 60
Cavalier 36
Nocturna 6
Man-Bat 24
Talia Al Ghul 48
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
While I'm not the biggest Joker fan, I too thought he'd be at the end


When Emily first mentioned that there would be a Wildcard round, I was struggling to think who I'd go for. Now there are a few contenders.

Incidentally, I'd love to hear more about what the remaining characters mean to those taking part.
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 04:03 PM
Oops! Missed a round.

Catwoman (Golden Age) - 60
Deadshot - 30
Cavalier - 40
Nocturna - 10
Man-Bat - 50
Talia Al Ghul - 20
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 05:12 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) - She's old Hollywood to me. Glamourous dresses, well-dressed henchmen. A martini in one hand and a gun in the other. I enjoyed her appearances in Batman and, later on, when she would make appearances in All-Star Squadron or other such books.

Deadshot - Cool visuals, disturbed individual. Sure, he's a gun nut. Sure, he's not the most successful of Bat villains (at least when dealing with the Bat). Floyd Lawson is, for me, one of the only Bat villains that I would expect to find in my local bar, enjoying a beer with the rest of us. Watching his growth through Suicide Squad/Secret 6 has further cemented him in my cosmology of cool.

Cavalier - He's a peer of Kite Man, for me. I enjoy the corniness. Of course, he gets gay points from me.

Nocturna - meh. I never liked her or her Night Stalker partner

Man-Bat - I always thought of him as a hero. I love his visual, his potential. I never liked him as a villain.

Talia Al Ghul - She grew from a girlfriend to a formidable foe. I enjoy her constantly expanding role in DC - appearances in Superman and the JLA.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/13/15 06:32 PM
Wow, I always thought the Joker was too iconic to not last until the end.

Catwoman (Golden Age) - 60
Deadshot - 6
Cavalier - 30
Nocturna - 30
Man-Bat - 6
Talia Al Ghul - 60
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/14/15 02:21 AM
Catwoman (Golden Age)...6
Deadshot...6
Cavalier...60
Nocturna...60
Man-Bat...60
Talia Al Ghul...6
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/14/15 07:32 AM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 30
Deadshot 60
Cavalier 6
Nocturna 12
Man-Bat 60
Talia Al Ghul 42
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/14/15 01:27 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age) 60
Deadshot 60
Cavalier 6
Nocturna 60
Man-Bat 30
Talia Al Ghul 60
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/15/15 07:31 PM
The results:

Catwoman (Golden Age) 320 100%
Talia Al Ghul 290 91%
Deadshot 252 79%
Man-Bat 236 74%


Eliminated this Round:
Nocturna 184 58%
Cavalier 183 57%

Wild Card Round Starts Now

1. You have 48 hours to pick one of the eliminated characters and nominate them as your Wild Card Pick.
2. In the event we have more characters needed to get even numbers than players, I will fill the gap with results from the Random Generator.
3. Read all the posts above yours until this post to ensure that your pick is not already taken. Then please pick another chatacter and submit that one for your vote.

List of everyone Eliminated:

Abattoir- Eliminated Round 1
Amygdala- Eliminated Round 1
Anarky- Top 50
Bane- Eliminated Round 3
Black Mask- Top 20
Black Spider I- Top 20
Black Spider II- Eliminated Round 1
Blockbuster I- Top 50
Blockbuster II- Eliminated Round 2
Calendar Man (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 2
Calendar Man (Silver Age)- Top 50
Captain Stingaree- Eliminated Round 3
Carmine Falcone- Eliminated Round 2
Catman (Pre-New 52)- Top 50
Catman (Silver Age)- Top 50
Catwoman (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Catwoman (Silver Age)- Top 20
Cavalier- Top 6
Charaxes- Eliminated Round 2
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)- Top 50
Clayface I (Karlo) (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)- Top 20
Clayface III (Payne) (Bronze Age)- Eliminated Round 4
Clayface IV (Fuller) (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Cluemaster- Top 50
Condiment King- Eliminated Round 2
Copperhead- Top 20
Cornelius Stirk- Eliminated Round 1
Crazy Quilt- Top 50
Crime Doctor- Top 50
David Cain- Eliminated Round 4
Dr. Death- Eliminated Round 4
Dr. Double X- Eliminated Round 4
Dr. Hurt- Eliminated Round 2
Dr. Tzin-Tzin- Eliminated Round 4
Dr. Phosphorous- Top 20
Electrocutioner I- Eliminated Round 4
Electrocutioner II- Eliminated Round 2
Electrocutioner III- Eliminated Round 2
Eraser- Eliminated Round 2
False Face- Eliminated Round 1
Film Freak- Eliminated Round 3
Firebug- Eliminated Round 2
Firefly- Eliminated Round 4
Fox (Terrible Trio)- Eliminated Round 3
Harley Quinn- Top 50
Henri Ducard- Eliminated Round 2
Holiday- Eliminated Round 3
Hugo Strange- Top 50
Hush- Eliminated Round 2
Joe Chill- Top 20
Joker (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 2
Joker (Silver Age)- Top 20
KGBeast- Eliminated Round 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)- Top 20
Killer Croc (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Killer Moth- Top 50
King Snake- Eliminated Round 3
Kite-Man- Top 50
Lew Moxon- Eliminated Round 1
Lady Shiva- Top 20
Lord Death Man- Eliminated Round 2
Mad-Hatter- Top 20
Mad-Hatter(Imposter)- Eliminated Round 2
Magpie- Eliminated Round 5
Maxie Zeus- Top 50
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)- Top 50
Mister Freeze (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)- Top 50
Monk- Eliminated Round 5
Mr. Zsasz- Eliminated Round 3
Nightslayer- Eliminated Round 3
NKVDemon- Eliminated Round 3
Nocturna- Top Six
Orca- Eliminated Round 2
Outsider- Top 20
Penguin (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Poison Ivy (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)- Top 20
Polka-Dot Man- Eliminated Round 4
Professor Milo- Elminated Round 2
Professor Pyg- Eliminated Round 3
Prometheus- Eliminated Round 2
Quakemaster- Eliminated Round 2
Queen of Hearts- Eliminated Round 3
Ra's Al-Ghul- Eliminated Round 5
Ratcatcher- Eliminated Round 5
Reaper- Eliminated Round 3
Red Hood (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Red Hood (Silver Age)- Top 50
Riddler (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Riddler (Silver Age)- Top 20
Rupert Thorne- Eliminated Round 2
Sal Maroni- Eliminated Round 2
Scarecrow- Top 20
Shark (Terrible Trio)- Eliminated Round 3
Signalman- Top 50
Spellbinder I- Top 50
Spellbinder II- Eliminated Round 3
Spook- Eliminated Round 5
Sterling Silversmith- Eliminated Round 5
Tally Man I- Eliminated Round 1
Tally Man II- Eliminated Round 2
Ten-Eyed Man- Eliminated Round 2
The Penguin (Silver Age)- Top 20
Tony Zucco- Eliminated Round 4
Trigger Twins- Eliminated Round 2
Tweedledee- Top 50
Tweedledum (Dumfree)- Top 50
Tweedledum II (Dumpson)- Eliminated Round 3
Two-Face (Golden Age)- Top 20
Two-Face (Modern Age)- Eliminated Round 3
Ubu- Eliminated Round 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)- Top 20
Ventriloquist II (Peyton)- Eliminated Round 2
Vulture (Terrible Trio)- Eliminated Round 3
Werewolf- Eliminated Round 3
Wrath- Eliminated Round 4
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/15/15 07:36 PM
My Wildcard pick is Harley Quinn. My reason is because I have been a fan since I was a child watching the Batman cartoons.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/15/15 07:44 PM
My wildcard pick is Lady Shiva. She is an exceptional challenge for the whole Bat family (and mother to one of them).
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 06:53 AM
Can I please get some clarification on how this Wild Card Pick works?

Is the character we pick automatically added back to the list (meaning we might get 6 or 7 or however many people vote re-added)?

Or will only the character with the most votes be re-added?

Or do we all nominate someone and then pick from that pool?

I'm confused. Sorry if this has already been explained.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 08:41 AM
Everyone gets to add one Wildcard. If Emily needs to round out the numbers, additional characters will be added at randomn.
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 09:38 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 01:33 PM
I always feel a bit for the characters that have just gone. Thinks...
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 02:27 PM
Clayface III (Payne). Tragic, creepy, scary, somewhat sympathetic, but still a psychopath. Both Moore and Morrison did interesting things with him.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 07:59 PM
Thanks Dave!

OK I'll vote for Black Spider.

If it's OK, I'm going to change my vote to:

The Cavalier.

I feel like rewarding him for randomly making it this far. smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/16/15 11:59 PM
Thank you for including a list of when each character was eliminated, Emily.

Having a hard time picking a Wild Card, as I find a lot of characters interesting, but none really that truly fascinate me the way Kinetix, Gates, Kole or Kimiyo Hoshi do. Hmm...

Narrowed it down to Poison Ivy, Riddler and Two-Face.

I'm going for:

Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/17/15 05:03 PM
Still thinking... My shortlist is...


Black Mask- Top 20 – I could remember the art on his stories. A lot of Morrison’s stuff reminded me of his stories. Masks and personal revenge and the False Face Society. Pent up rage across a life time finds a new face to express it. Masks are something of a recurring Bat-Theme.

Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - Top 50 – Captures a classic age of horror movies that I’ve enjoyed over the years.

Joker (Silver Age)- Top 20 – Hard to imagine there not being a Joker in the final rounds. The only trouble I have is picking an age I like for the Joker. I’ve only seen a little of the newest version and it doesn’t appeal. Moore’s Killing Joke or Miller’s aged psychopath show plenty of madness, but in a very unpleasant shock manner. Then there’s the one that beats Robin to near death. But going further back, he’s interchangeable with other Bat-Villains. Perhaps he’s best at that shock appearance of chaos before returning to the shadows. That doesn’t give him the lasting legacy of a Talia or Catwoman.

Nocturna- Top Six – While her introduction was a little forced, and the dialogue a little overwrought across the whole book, there was some great art, impressive cliff-hangers and we got to look at new sides of Bruce. Sides that showed him looking at Robin as a father, not just as a partner and his obsession with his role as the Dark Knight.

Outsider- Top 20 -
“Is that today’s paper Alfred?”
“Yes Master Bruce. And I’ve turned it to the obituaries! Ha hahahaha!”

Ra's Al-Ghul- Eliminated Round 5 – I usually think of a modern Fu Manchu when I see Ras. Vastly intelligent; huge network of operatives; a very capable daughter (combined with one of Rohmer’s love interest characters) and a visionary perspective that goes beyond territorial boundaries.

Scarecrow- Top 20 – He has an excellent origin. The good villains have triggers that turn them to their crimes. The best don’t see themselves as villains at all. His methods amplify the fear that grips Gotham allowing so many of the Batman books to work at their best.

Two-Face (Golden Age)- Top 20
Some harrowing truths about upholding the law in the face of wide corruption. Some pulp/ golden age nods; concepts of duality, order and chance and the thrill of wondering which side of the coin will be face up.

Wrath- Eliminated Round 4
With one appearance we saw how Batman’s life could have turned out. With the same personality, but none of the support.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/17/15 06:49 PM
While we wait for thoth lad, I just remembered another thing I wish to discuss with all of you. I expect this Idol will be over soon; maybe even before 2016 depending on how fast the next few rounds go. As usual, there will be month in between games to give people room to breath, but I might start the thread early because it might be even harder than this one to compile all the villains.

I need to know what you would want for the next Idol:

Flash Villains (I might just call it Flashes Rogues Idol because that is how they are best known)

or Spider-Villain Idol (Considered by some critics to have the best villains roster in the industry)
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/18/15 12:43 AM
Personally, I would prefer a Flash Rogues Idol.

(But that's just because I have no attachment to any Marvel characters.)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/18/15 06:00 AM
I am more invested in heroes so I find Hero Idols more exciting. But between the two options I prefer Flash villains, because I prefer DC to Marvel
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/18/15 10:19 AM
I'm with the Flash villains too!
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/18/15 02:31 PM
I'd prefer Flash villains too, as I've read very, very few Spider books in my time. I'd probably know most of the villains from various other sources though.

With the Cavalier back, I was tempted to go for Nocturna. But I think she's reached roughly where she should be in the scheme of things. SO, I'm going with ...

Two Face. The Scarecrow was a very, very close second.And thanks for the list Emily. That made coming up with one much easier and fun to think about.

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/18/15 07:11 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Cavalier
Clayface II (Hagen)
Clayface III (Payne)
Deadshot
Harley Quinn
Man-Bat
Lady Shiva
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Talia Al Ghul
Two-Face


There is a total of eleven characters, so I have to go through the list, remove all of these, and use a Random Generator to select a 12th character.

Random Says: Bane (Modern Age)

It is a strangely fitting choice for a random generator. After all, he starred in the latest Batman movie.

The Final List (Hopefully)

Bane (Modern Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Cavalier
Clayface II (Hagen)
Clayface III (Payne)
Deadshot
Harley Quinn
Lady Shiva
Man-Bat
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Talia Al Ghul
Two-Face

The next round starts now. You have until Monday at 6:00 P.M Central Time to submit your votes. If we end up in the middle of a round at Christmas Eve, I will postpone counting until the 26th or 27th. I know we have an international crowd here, so let me know if Boxing Day is important to you and we will wait until the 27th.

Point scale this round:
Number= Points

2
4
6
8
10
12
14
16
18
20
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/18/15 07:16 PM
Flash Villains will be fun, but I am going to need a lot of help. I have most of the Modern Age versions memorized thanks to Morrison and Johns, but I will need extensive help with Silver and Golden Age villains. I will need help Silver Age because I haven't read many comics with Barry. I may need help Golden Age due to lack of information online.

My votes:

Bane (Modern Age) 18
Catwoman (Golden Age) 18
Cavalier 2
Clayface II (Hagen) 12
Clayface III (Payne) 10
Deadshot 18
Harley Quinn 20
Lady Shiva 10
Man-Bat 2
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 18
Talia Al Ghul 14
Two-Face 6
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/19/15 12:02 PM
Emily, I went with Two Face and not Nocturna (although it was nice seeing her back on the list)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/19/15 12:49 PM
I'll edit the posts above me to reflect that.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/19/15 01:35 PM
Ta.

Bane (Modern Age) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 20
Cavalier 2
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 20
Clayface III (Payne) 2
Deadshot 20
Harley Quinn 2
Lady Shiva 2
Man-Bat 20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 15
Talia Al Ghul 20
Two Face 20
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/20/15 12:30 AM
Nocturna was another close choice for me, but I ultimately left her out as she is not as influential as my other shortlist choices.

Bane (Modern Age) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 20
Cavalier 10
Clayface II (Hagen) 10
Clayface III (Payne) 10
Deadshot 10
Harley Quinn 10
Lady Shiva 10
Man-Bat 2
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 20
Talia Al Ghul 20
Two-Face 10
Posted By: Nightcrawler Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/20/15 01:03 AM
Bane (Modern Age) - 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 20
Cavalier - 18
Clayface II (Hagen) - 20
Clayface III (Payne) - 18
Deadshot - 12
Harley Quinn - 4
Lady Shiva - 6
Man-Bat - 16
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 16
Talia Al Ghul - 8
Two-Face - 14
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/20/15 01:51 AM
Bane (Modern Age)...2
Catwoman (Golden Age)...2
Cavalier...20
Clayface II (Hagen)...10
Clayface III (Payne)...10
Deadshot...2
Harley Quinn...2
Lady Shiva...2
Man-Bat...20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...2
Talia Al Ghul...2
Two-Face...10
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/20/15 11:17 AM
Bane (Modern Age) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 18
Cavalier 10
Clayface II (Hagen) 12
Clayface III (Payne) 6
Deadshot 20
Harley Quinn 16
Lady Shiva 20
Man-Bat 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 12
Talia Al Ghul 18
Two-Face 14
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/21/15 10:57 PM
I am going to extend voting for 24 hours a it is not usual for Dave not to vote. I'll post the results tomorrow. Next round will probably last until December 26. If you know you will be unavailable until a certain date, please state so in this thread or send me a PM. I will try to accommodate you.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:09 AM
Looks like Poison Ivy did the best of the Wildcards so far.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:45 AM
Sorry, busy weekend.

Bane (Modern Age) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 2
Cavalier 2
Clayface II (Hagen) 2
Clayface III (Payne) 20
Deadshot 20
Harley Quinn 2
Lady Shiva 2
Man-Bat 20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 2
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two-Face 2
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:12 PM
The results

Deadshot 102 100%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 100 98%
Clayface II (Hagen) 86 86%
Man-Bat 86 86%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 85 83%

Talia Al Ghul 84 82%
Clayface III (Payne) 76 76%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 76 76%


Eliminated this round:

Cavalier 64 64%
Harley Quinn 56 56% <-- I tried, Harley, I truly tried.

Lady Shiva 52 52%
Bane 30 30% <-- To me he exemplified the zeitgeist of the time the last Batman movie came out, so I am saddened to see him leave again. I admire relevance in writing.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:15 PM
We are keeping the 2 scale for the next round, as it seems to be working the best out of the scales I have used thus far.

Clayface II (Hagen)
Clayface III(Payne)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Deadshot
Man-Bat
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Talia Al Ghul
Two-Face (Golden Age)

This round will end on December 26th 2015 at midnight. If you are going to be unable to post by that time, please contact me as soon as possible.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:17 PM
I am aware I put Catwoman after the Clayfaces, I'll fix the order when I post the next round.

Clayface II (Hagen) 2
Clayface III(Payne) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 20
Deadshot 18
Man-Bat 2
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 2
Talia Al Ghul 18
Two-Face (Golden Age) 12

If anyone has any knowledge about the Flash Villains, please feel free to send me a PM as I will be privately working on that list soon.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:17 PM
I thought the Cavalier was going to stick around a little longer.

You really did try for Harley. If it's any consolation, I'll look out for her in an older book where she's not emulating Deadpool.

Did Lady Shiva pop up in a Titans comic? That's the only place I may know her from.

Bane I mostly know from the Kelley Jones covers. I had stopped reading it by that point. He just looked like a steroid abusing thug, really. There were already Bat-villains fulfilling that role.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/22/15 07:39 PM
When I think of Bane, I immediately think of the last Batman movie in 2012, where he was more of a symbol for anarchy (in the sense of no government/hierarchy, not chaos like the Joker) than a thug. If they haven't gone that direction in the Batman comics, they really should.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/23/15 07:50 AM
I've only the covers to go with really. I don't think I read any of them. Wasn't it Bane who had some sort of drug that he injected to make himself part of the Russian Olympic Team super strong? I also link it with yet another occasion in which every bat villain is on the loose, which is more than a little lazy.

Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/23/15 10:34 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) 2
Clayface III(Payne) 20
Catwoman (Golden Age) 2
Deadshot 20
Man-Bat 20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 2
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two-Face (Golden Age) 2
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/23/15 11:53 AM
Clayface II (Hagen) 12
Clayface III(Payne) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 20
Deadshot 18
Man-Bat 4
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 10
Talia Al Ghul 16
Two-Face (Golden Age) 14
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/23/15 12:31 PM
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 20
Clayface III (Payne) 2
Catwoman (Golden Age) 20
Deadshot 20
Man-Bat 20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 20
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two Face 20
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/23/15 08:55 PM
Clayface II (Hagen)...20
Clayface III(Payne)...20
Catwoman (Golden Age)...2
Deadshot...2
Man-Bat...20
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...2
Talia Al Ghul...2
Two-Face (Golden Age)...2
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/27/15 02:27 PM
Deadshot 78 100%
Clayface II (Hagen) 74 95%
Man-Bat 66 85%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 64 82%


Eliminated this Round:

Two-Face (Golden Age) 50 64%
Talia Al Ghul 40 51% <-- Thought for sure Top 3 at the rate we were going

Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 36 26% <-- Nice comeback
Clayface III (Payne) 28 36%
~~~

We are moving on to the top four. We will keep the scale the same until we reach top 2 or 3 (if it is really close or there is a tie).

Catwoman(Golden Age)
Clayface II(Hagen)
Deadshot
Man-Bat
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/27/15 02:27 PM
Catwoman(Golden Age)- 20
Clayface II(Hagen)- 2
Deadshot- 12
Man-Bat- 2
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/27/15 02:44 PM
Nooooos! I thought Two Face was going to squeak into another round. smile

Catwoman(Golden Age)- 20
Clayface II(Hagen)- 2
Deadshot- 12
Man-Bat- 16
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/27/15 07:04 PM
So the effective result of the wildcard round was trading Talia for Clayface.


Catwoman(Golden Age) 2
Clayface II(Hagen) 2
Deadshot 20
Man-Bat 20

Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/27/15 08:45 PM
Catwoman (Golden Age)...2
Clayface II (Hagen)...20
Deadshot...2
Man-Bat...20
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/27/15 10:57 PM
Whoo! Interesting results. bye bye Talia.

Catwoman(Golden Age) 20
Clayface II(Hagen) 2
Deadshot 2
Man-Bat 2
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/28/15 05:33 AM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
So the effective result of the wildcard round was trading Talia for Clayface.


Is there going to be a Clayface backlash this round?
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/28/15 09:04 AM
Catwoman(Golden Age) 20
Clayface II(Hagen) 14
Deadshot 18
Man-Bat 6
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/30/15 06:29 PM
I decided not to use percentages this round, given only four characters are left.

Your Top 4
Catwoman(Golden Age) 82 1st
Clayface II(Hagen) 40 4th
Deadshot 54 2nd
Man-Bat 50 3rd

Final Round Begins Now


Catwoman vs. Deadshot

Write the name of the character you wish to win. If there is a tie, I will use a random generator to determine the winner. Remember, the number generator is a cold and heartless entity, so please vote if you want your character to win!


Round Ends 5:30 P.M January 2nd 2016.

What happens after that?

I will be researching Flash villains. If you know, feel free to send a PM any time. The next Idol will start around February 1st to give us some breathing room in between games. I will probably post the thread a week before that as I anticipate I will need a lot more help putting that one together. [u][/u]
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/30/15 06:31 PM
Catwoman- I have been rooting for her consistently since my poor Harley got booted out. She has been there since Batman #1 and it is amazing that a version of her has been active since that time. I prefer the Golden Age version as she is less dependent on Batman than the Silver Age version. I would have voted for the Modern Age Version if she wasn't eliminated so early.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/30/15 07:12 PM
We came so close Man-Bat! cry

I haven't given Catwoman or Deadshot more than the minimum number of points all game so this result sucks for me.

I don't dislike Catwoman but she's got an infallible perfectness about her, as Batman and the Joker do, which bugs me about all three characters.

John Ostrander gave Deadshot some interesting layers but it all seemed a bit Wolverine-like to me - gruff, silent, tortured, perfect killer. Not my favourite character archetype.

Of the two, I'll give my vote to...

Catwoman.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/30/15 09:10 PM
Wow, final round already? All good things come to an end...

I found Catwoman to be a lot less "perfect" than Joker and Batman, both of whom I do find to be a tad overrated. So my vote goes to...

CATWOMAN!

Emily, so happy you're doing Flash villains Idol. Actually, I would like to suggest that you take over Legion Villains Idol too... I have some personal errands that will keep me busy, so I don't foresee myself being able to start that. And you've done such a good job with this one, after all.

Plus, I'm more motivated to do Hero Idols than Villain Idols. (I'm actually eager to do a Justice Society Idol, to complete the four "main" DCU teams with tons of members - having already done three Legion Idols, a JLA Idol and a Titans Idol).
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/31/15 01:37 PM
Deadshot's character arc was impressive, (in the writing sense if not actually liking any of those character traits smile ) We really got under his skin, and saw how he viewed the world.

But that was over in Suicide Squad and I think that my fav villain should really have been based firmly around development in the Bat-Books. So, it's Catwoman for me.

More than a femme fatale, more than the stereotypical jewel thief, more than a Bat-Love interest. The Joker, Two Face and the others have a shelf life based on how believable you find their repetitive escapes/ releases from Arkham to be. Not so with Catwoman. She's always been strong enough to rival Bats in any story. She's possibly the most mentally sound character too, considering the way Bats went all dark and obsessive. So my vote is for Catwoman!
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 12/31/15 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Deadshot's character arc was impressive, (in the writing sense if not actually liking any of those character traits smile ) We really got under his skin, and saw how he viewed the world.

But that was over in Suicide Squad and I think that my fav villain should really have been based firmly around development in the Bat-Books. So, it's Catwoman for me.


I have to agree
I'll always think of the Golden Age Catwoman as a formidable and glamorous villain for Batman on Earth 1. On Earth 2, they marry and have an amazing daughter.
As many of us know, marriage can be incredibly villainous

So while I love Deadshot as a character, my vote for Bat Villain idol goes to CATWOMAN
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 01/02/16 11:36 AM
Since five out of the usual seven voters already submitted their votes, and there is a clear winner, I will not be delaying this round.

The winner of Bat-Villain Idol is Catwoman!

Thank you for all for your time, patience, and contributions. I hope to see you all in February for the Flash Rogues Idol. Please feel free to send me a PM at any time if you know of any Flash Rogues, as I have already started working on the list. I will be posting the thread the last week of January, as that one is going to need a lot more preparation (five Flashes, multiple worlds, ages, and related characters).

Mods, please close this thread after 24 hours of this message, to allow people time to comment on the game.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 01/02/16 11:39 AM
Thanks Emily for a wonderful game! I had tons of fun.

Catwoman, yay! We have another female winner to continue the trend. wink

(for those curious, the trend is:

Preboot Legion Idol - White Witch
Postboot Legion idol - Triad
Multiverse Legion Idol - Kinetix (I didn't cheat, promise)
Titans Idol - Kole (I also didn't cheat, promise)
JLA Idol - Flash (Barry Allen)

Looking forward to Flash Rogues Idol, and later on LSV Idol (and I would love to run a JSA Idol too).

I don't think we need to close this thread, actually. It will sink down anyway if nobody posts to it. So I wouldn't worry about needing to close it.
Posted By: Blacula Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 01/02/16 01:08 PM
Thanks for a fun game Emily.

I like surprise so while it was a bit of a disappointment to see an obvious character like Catwoman take home the win, it was interesting seeing where a lot of the other characters ended up (I'm still amazed by the Cavalier and Clayface II's strong performances).

Looking forward to the Flash game.

Here's a website that lists a lot of Flash villains:

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/villains.html
Posted By: thoth lad Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 01/02/16 02:43 PM
I thought we would end up with the Joker, Two Face, Riddler/ Ras, Bane/ Harley battling it out, so lots of surprises for me in the end. The Cavalier in particular.

Thanks for running it Emily.

Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 01/02/16 06:09 PM
Thanks, Emily!

I thought it was going to be a Joker/Riddler fight too, so I'm delighted that it's the Golden Age Catwoman and Deadshot at the last

This was my first time playing an Idol ... it was fun - a lot of twists to it
I particularly enjoyed how different our opinions and approaches were to the contest (and it was nice seeing how many of us are Silver Age fans)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: Bat-Villain Idol - 01/02/16 10:00 PM
Idols are always fun smile It's great seeing relatively obscure characters beat out more traditionally popular characters.

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