The winner of the poll is the Towers game! So, I will create two lists of characters that will do battle with each other here in this part of Spaceopoly.

Example: Superman vs. Batman
Flash vs. Green Lantern

I will probably use a randomizer to make things more interesting. If too many battles are clearly uneven, I will rearrange them to be more fair. Would you guys have a preference for teams or fights? Otherwise, I will do a Marvel vs. DC heroes game.

Here is a song to get you in the Arena spirit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5ot7zq1wk

D.C. vs Marvel sounds fun! I would probably be biased though

thanks Emily. i'm excited!

Yeah, DC vs Marvel sounds interesting.

It was easy to create the lists, though they might be shorter than what we are used to in Idols. I decided to stick with mostly Justice League and Avengers, as those two teams line up nicely. I capped the limit of heroes to 52 each, as some are obscure and many have the same name as another character. I will add more characters if one side has ten or less in the game. We will figure out the details of choosing more characters if/when it becomes an issue. If you are unfamilar with a character, both DC and Marvel have guides available online. I find Marvel's site to be slightly more useful because they have statistics for all their characters.

DC vs. Marvel

1. Aztek vs. Falcon
2. Huntress vs. Rogue
3. Hawkgirl vs. Hercules
4. Vixen vs. Captain Mar-vel
5. Hawkman vs She-Hulk
6. Aquaman vs. Wolverine
7. Gypsy vs. White Tiger
8. Flash (Barry) vs. Stature
9. Firestorm vs Mr. Fantastic
10. Big Barda vs. Moondragon
11. Atom (Choi) vs. Genis-vel
12. Blue Devil vs. Namor
13. Fire vs. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle vs. Tigra
15. Phantom Stranger vs. Sersi
16. Manitou Raven vs. War Machine
17. Ice vs. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter vs. Black Knight
19. Shazam vs. Dr. Strange
20. Faith vs. Captain America
21. Firehawk vs. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
22. Hal Jordan vs. Hulk
23. Dr. Fate vs. Starfox
24. Lobo vs. Hellcat
25. Batman vs. Wasp
26. Steel vs. Quicksilver
27. Black Lightning vs. Iron Man
28. Cyborg vs. Hawkeye II (Bishop)
29. Elongated Man vs. Medusa
30. Black Canary vs. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman vs. Vision
32. Tasmanian Devil vs. Adamantium Man
33. Superman vs. Thor (I promise this was random)
34. Red Arrow vs. Firestar
35. Batgirl (Barbara) vs. Black Widow
36. Vibe vs. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner vs. Invisible Woman
38. Booster Gold vs. Ant-Man (Lang)
39. Blue Beetle vs. Justice
40. Geo-Force vs. Quasar
41. Green Arrow vs. Mockingbird
42. Red Tornado vs. Luke Cage
43. Lightray vs. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel vs. Silver Surfer
45. Star-Girl vs. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna vs. Mantis
47. Plastic Man vs. Swordsman
48. Aqualad II vs. Beast
49. Dr.Light II vs. Valkryie
50. Atom (Palmer) vs. Black Panther
51. Power Girl vs. Firebird
52. John Stewart vs. Triathlon

Nice! Looks fun.

Do we vote now? when is the voting deadline?

also, for 29, did you mean Elongated Man instead of Elastic Man?

and I think you have a typo for 17, should be Monica Rambeau with an R

1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Aquaman
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. War Machine
17. Monica Lambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Captain Marvel
20. Captain America
21. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
22. Hulk
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Batman
26. Steel
27. Black Lightning
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Adamantium Man
33. Superman
34. Red Arrow
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner
38. Booster Gold
39. Blue Beetle
40. Geo-Force
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Lightray
44. Mary Marvel
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Atom (Palmer)
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Blue Devil
13. Fire
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. Manitou Raven
17. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Faith
21. Firehawk
22. Hal Jordan
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Wasp
26. Steel
27. Black Lightning
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Tasmanian Devil
33. Superman
34. Firestar
35. Batgirl (Barbara)
36. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner
38. Booster Gold
39. Justice
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel
45. Star-Girl
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Atom (Palmer)
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

Thank you for pointing out they typos, I will go fix them. Yes, please vote now. I will leave it open for a week due to the Easter holiday.

1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hawkgirl
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. White Tiger
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. War Machine
17. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Captain America
21. Firehawk
22. Hal Jordan
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Batman
26. Quicksilver
27. Iron Man
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Adamantium Man
33. Thor
34. Firestar
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Invisible Woman
38. Booster Gold
39. Blue Beetle
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Luke Cage
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Valkryie
50. Black Panther
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

Some real toughies there. Firestorm v Mister Fantastic was the toughest. But Barda v Strange; Shazam v Dr Strange, Dr Light v Valkryie and Palmer v Panther were the ones I had to think through too.

As for Super vs Thor (what a draw), I'm reminded of the JLA vs Avengers mini. I thought it was odd that Supes would come out on top in that one. Back when it was a pre Crisis idea, and Supes was moving planets around, then fine. But it was post Crisis Supes. While he had been depowered and was sniffling his way through issues, Thor was being reminded that he'd outlive everyone of his teammates over in the Avengers series.

Interesting... I want to see what happens!


1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Vixen
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Mr. Fantastic
10. Big Barda
11. Atom (Choi)
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. Manitou Raven
17. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Faith
21. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
22. Hulk
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Batman
26. Steel
27. Iron Man
28. Cyborg
29. Medusa
30. Black Canary
31. Wonder Woman
32. Tasmanian Devil
33. Superman
34. Firestar
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Invisible Woman
38. Ant-Man (Lang)
39. Justice
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Silver Surfer
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Black Panther
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

I plan to write match commentaries on these along with the results. I loved the old (now defunct) CBUB fights and want to try to get the same level of energy.

thothy, you forgot to state your picks for these two matches.

I did say they were tough Thanks Ibby!

that's why I wasn't surprised you were still thinking about them 😜

I think what Busiek was saying (to the chagrin of Marvel fans on the internet, as this image will be shared in perpetuity), is that even at reduced Post-Crisis levels, Superman's power levels are still higher or comparable to Marvel's higher end.

I remember Supes (and some other JLA members, if I remember right) making a similar observation on another page in that mini - DC heroes tended to be a bit more powerful than their Marvel counterparts.

To the best of my knowledge, DC has never released official statistics of their characters the way Marvel has. But if we were to go by feats, yes, in general, DC super-heroes are more powerful. There is a huge chunk of characters that have what I call the "Superman powerset". Like Busiek said, that easily puts Superman in what Marvel would call the deities category. One might even argue Sky-Father level since he beat Thor.

Then you have Supergirl, Power Girl, the entire Marvel family, Martian Manhunter...

Flash was also clearly much faster than Quicksilver. and even the Avengers were surprised at how fast Wonder Woman was.

There was a panel late in the mini when the Wasp cheers that Captain America gets to lead the combined forces. Finally, there was something that went their way. I'm not sure that early post crisis Supes would have really stopped Thor. That was probably the last Supes I read at any length. So, his power levels probably crept back up again. I'd still fancy Thor to beat Doomsday though.

As for stats, the RPGs are good for that sort of thing. Even if there's not an official crossover, there's enough description in the categories so that you can move characters between systems.

Re Cap leading the combined teams, that was a good scene where the League recognizes Cap's leadership abilities.

I also got a chuckle out of the Avengers marveling at how easy it was to coordinate with J'Onns's telepathy - then began to wonder why it felt so new to them. I mean, they have telepaths in the Marvel U too. Granted, 99% of them seem to be X-Men, but the Avengers have worked with them before... and they had Moondragon...

Yeah, but with Moondragon you keep getting random "My telepathy is wasted on these fools" and "My costume looks so much better, but then I [iam[/I] so much better" thoughts mixed in with it.

A lot of the amazement probably WAS that J'onn was so not full of himself...

And unlike with Charles Xavier, they didn't have to worry they would get mindwiped at the end...

And there was also "as long as I can keep my secret love for Jean retconned out of everyone's mind, I'll..D'Oh!" with Xavier.

Please get any last minutes vote by 8:00 PM tomorrow. I hope to have everything calculated by the end of the night and posted.

So I spent over an hour typing nice descriptions, but my browser decided to stop working. So unfortunately, you will just get the results today. If you want to have fun and make your own descriptions, please do so, they are fun to read. Both parties will stay if there is a tie for now.

1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. Manitou Raven vs. War Machine- Tie
17.Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Faith vs. Captain America- Tie
21. Firehawk vs. Yellow Jacket (Pym)- Tie
22. Hal Jordan vs. Hulk- Tie
23. Dr. Fate
24. Hellcat
25. Batman
26. Steel
27. Black Lightning vs. Iron Man- Tie
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Tasmanian Devil vs. Adamantium Man- Tie
33. Superman
34. Firestar
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner vs. Invisible Woman- Tie
38. Booster Gold
39. Blue Beetle vs. Justice- Tie
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. . Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Atom (Palmer) vs. Black Panther- Tie
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

That's a shame that your browser packed in Emily. For the larger posts I use MS word and then cut and paste, after it happened a couple of times. It's very frustrating.

Yes, same experience for me. It's so frustrating when you have a long, well thought out post and it vanishes... sorry, Emily. i'm sure your descriptions were great.

Marvel did surprisingly better than I thought they would. Sorry you lost your descriptions.

Well, at least I haven't had that burden.

Yeah, when we were talking about Superman class characters, I was wondering how many Marvel characters would make it through. Mister Fantastic drew a particular toughie as did Thor. But it's a good showing... but for how long?

Hellcat beat Lobo, so that's something. (Or not, considering how unpopular I imagine Lobo is here...)

I wonder how she did that? Lobo trapped in Patsy Walker comics from decades ago would be great though, as he's put firmly in his place.

I think it will get interesting once it gets narrowed down. If one side or the other is uneven, I will probably add more X-Men and Titans to keep repeating powersets to a minimum. It is interesting to note that most of the New Gods survived, but most of the Eternals did not (Genis-vel is half Eternal).

I am experiencing some technical difficulties, so I will pause this game until it resumes.

So, apparently we have extra DC characters, about seven. Next round I will definitely need to add a few Marvel characters in to keep this game balanced.

These get a by week until I figure out what to do: Phantom Stranger, Shazam, Faith, Green Arrow, Dr. Fate, Big Barda, and Tasmanian Devil.

Kyle Rayner vs. Justice
Flash (Barry) vs. Wonder Man
Atom (Palmer) vs. Wolverine
Rogue vs. Firehawk
War Machine vs. Gypsy
Quasar vs. Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan vs. Yellow Jackey (Pym)
John Stewart vs. Genis-vel
Zatanna vs. Invisible Woman
Superman vs. Black Panther
Hellcat vs. Batman
Beast vs. Cyborg
Power Girl vs. Monica Rambeau
Wonder Woman vs. Adamantium Man
Hawkeye vs. Booster Gold
Manitou Raven vs. Hercules
Plastic Man vs. Hulk
Mr. Miracle vs. Iron Man
Aztek vs. She-Hulk
Steel vs. Black Widow
Elongated Man vs. Ms.Marvel
Black Lightning vs. Firestar
Red Tornado vs. Spider-Man
Blue Beetle vs. Captain America
Dr.Light II vs. Captain Mar-vel
Firestorm vs. Namor
Martian Manhunter vs. Scarlet Witch

Kyle Rayner
Flash (Barry)
Wolverine
Rogue
War Machine
Quasar
Hal Jordan
Genis-vel
Invisible Woman
Superman
Batman
Beast
Monica Rambeau
Wonder Woman
Hawkeye
Hercules
Hulk
Iron Man
She-Hulk
Steel
Ms.Marvel
Firestar
Red Tornado
Captain America
Captain Mar-vel
Firestorm
Scarlet Witch

Kyle Rayner
Flash (Barry)
Atom (Palmer)
Firehawk
War Machine
Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan
John Stewart
Zatanna
Superman
Batman
Beast
Power Girl
Wonder Woman
Hawkeye
Hercules
Hulk
Mr. Miracle
Aztek
Steel
Ms.Marvel
Black Lightning
Red Tornado
Captain America
Captain Mar-vel
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter

Kyle Rayner
Flash (Barry)
Wolverine
Rogue
War Machine
Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan
John Stewart
Zatanna
Superman
Batman
Cyborg
Monica Rambeau
Wonder Woman
Hawkeye
Hercules
Hulk
Iron Man
She-Hulk
Black Widow
Ms.Marvel
Firestar
Red Tornado
Captain America
Dr.Light II
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter

Kyle Rayner
Flash (Barry)
Atom (Palmer)
Firehawk
War Machine
Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan
John Stewart
Zatanna (raeppa!)
Superman
Batman
Cyborg
Monica Rambeau
Wonder Woman
Booster Gold
Manitou Raven
Hulk
Iron Man
She-Hulk
Steel
Ms.Marvel
Firestar
Red Tornado
Captain America
Dr.Light II
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter

Martian Manhunter vs. Scarlet Witch: "No More Martians!"

C'mon, Scott Free can escape from ANYTHING and has a Mother Box. You think he can't open a tin can from the comparative dark ages?

I was thinking that Mr Stark would catch him in a wide area burst. Scott got electrocuted by Rocket Red, so he couldn't open a tin can from the Soviets!

I'm going to keep this open until Tuesday night.

Kyle Rayner
Flash (Barry)
Wolverine
Rogue
War Machine
Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan
John Stewart
Invisible Woman
Superman
Batman
Beast
Monica Rambeau
Wonder Woman
Hawkeye
Hercules
Hulk
Iron Man
She-Hulk
Black Widow
Ms.Marvel
Firestar
Spider-Man
Captain America
Captain Mar-vel
Firestorm
Scarlet Witch

Kyle Rayner
Flash (Barry)
Wolverine
Rogue
War Machine
Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan
John Stewart
Zatanna
Superman
Hellcat
Cyborg
Power Girl
Wonder Woman
Hawkeye
Hercules
Hulk
Mr. Miracle
She-Hulk
Black Widow
Elongated Man
Black Lightning
Red Tornado
Captain America
Captain Mar-vel
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter

Thank you for joining the game. I will keep voting open until 9:00 P.M US Central Time, then I will count the votes. There may be a day or two in between rounds because I am going to fill in blank Marvel spaces with X-Men characters.

Here is the results! The bold ones are the winners. A fair warning that I expect to edit this post so I can access how many leftover DC characters we have left. I may also embellish the results with match synopsis. If you have a synopsis in your head, please share it and I will include it in this post.

Round 2

Kyle Rayner vs. Justice
Kyle Rayner's experience with telepathy in the Justice League allows him to fight off Justice long enough to create a trippy prison with his ring. Art School paid off big time for this hero.
Flash (Barry) vs. Wonder Man
Wonder Man spends too much time pandering to the audience that he loses site that this is a real fight. Flash(Barry) literally has time in his hands and runs circles around him. Once Wonder Man realizes how tough his opponent is, he tries his best to fight, but it is hard to punch something one barely sees. The lack of speedsters in Marvel gives the Flash(Barry) another huge advantage over his opponent, as his power-level would put him close to Eternal level.
Atom (Palmer) vs. Wolverine
The various fights with and against the Avengers give Wolverine a good idea of what he is dealing with. It is hard for Atom(Palmer) to hide as Wolverine's keen senses prevent him being surprised. The ear-drum trick doesn't work in this case because Wolverine forces him to one-on-one combat in his normal form. Wolverine's training and powers are more than a match for Justice League training if one is relatively powerless.
Rogue vs. Firehawk
War Machine vs. Gypsy
Quasar vs. Mary Marvel
Hal Jordan vs. Yellow Jackey (Pym)
John Stewart vs. Genis-vel --I want to note that Genis-Vel once destroyed the Universe. I'm unsure it was a Cosmic cube episode.
Zatanna vs. Invisible Woman
Superman vs. Black Panther
Hellcat vs. Batman
Beast vs. Cyborg- TIE, Both Remain in Game
Power Girl vs. Monica Rambeau
Wonder Woman vs. Adamantium Man
Hawkeye vs. Booster Gold
Manitou Raven vs. Hercules
Plastic Man vs. Hulk
Mr. Miracle vs. Iron Man
Aztek vs. She-Hulk- Aztek was not selling any moves, which made She-Hulk extremely angry. She was so angry that she decided to kick him around a lot. After the match, she apologized to the fans for the poor performance. I picture this as our version of the Inoki vs. Great Antonio march. Go and watch it if you are unaware of it, it is a crazy stomp match.
Steel vs. Black Widow- TIE, Both Remain in Game
Elongated Man vs. Ms.Marvel
Black Lightning vs. Firestar
Red Tornado vs. Spider-Man- Match Synopsis by Quislet Esq. Reddy to win. He can attack Spiderman from a distance, remaining out of reach of Spidey's strength and webshooters. Spiderman would not be able to stand up to the tornado winds Red Tornado can generate.
Blue Beetle vs. Captain America
Dr.Light II vs. Captain Mar-vel
Firestorm vs. Namor --I thought this would be close due to Namor's fights with Human Torches (yes I meant plural)
Martian Manhunter vs. Scarlet Witch

Our Extra DC Seven
Phantom Stranger, Shazam, Faith, Green Arrow, Dr. Fate, Big Barda, and Tasmanian Devil

My count is 15 Marvel and 27 DC characters remaining. I will be adding an additional 12 Marvel characters to keep the game balanced for now. If you have any other ideas (such as tag team matches) to keep the game moving, please let me know.

Nooo Kimiyo!!!

would love to read your match synopses, Emily

Hmmm, far closer than I thought it would be by this point.

My match synopsis

Red Tornado vs Spiderman. Reddy to win. He can attack Spiderman from a distance, remaining out of reach of Spidey's strength and webshooters. Spiderman would not be able to stand up to the tornado winds Red Tornado can generate.

I have made some edits to my post, including adding Quislet Esq's match synopsis. If my count is off, please let me know ASAP. I will probably go down the X-Men list of appearances and try to match with who we have left. I have to remember to exclude beings like Phantom Stranger from future Towers Games because they are hard to defeat.

I only count 21 DC characters.

You may have to pit DC vs DC

You are correct. Well, at least it will make it easier for me to even it out. I will add the five original X-Men and Professor X to the list and reshuffle the list today or tomorrow.

This is our new list of Marvel characters. For the sake of simplicity, the X-Men's powers and experience are that prior to the pivotal Giant Sized X-Men. This Jean Gray is pre-Phoenix. Note that since Beast was already in the game, I have replaced him with Banshee. The version of Beast currently in the game is that of his most recent appearances. As a general rule of thumb, powers and abilities are at most recent appearance for all characters in this game unless otherwise noted. If you have further questions about character versions, please feel free to ask. We will be doing a Preparation Round after this to spice things up.

Wolverine
Rogue
Beast
Monica Rambeau
Hawkeye
Hercules
Hulk
Iron Man
She-Hulk
Black Widow
Ms.Marvel
Firestar
Captain America
Captain Mar-vel
War Machine
Professor X
Cyclops
Banshee
Angel
Iceman
Marvel Girl (Jean Gray)

Round Three


Hal Jordan vs. Professor X
Batman vs. Hawkeye
Steel vs. Cyclops
Green Arrow vs. Angel
John Stewart vs. Captain Mar-vel
Dr. Fate vs. Hercules
Kyle Rayner vs. Iceman
Wonder Woman vs. Rogue
Faith vs. Marvel Girl (Jean Gray) <-- The random generator is good sometimes
Zatanna vs. Ms. Marvel
Superman vs. Iron Man
Flash (Barry) vs. War Machine
Phantom Stranger vs. Wolverine <-- Best I can think of
Tasmanian Devil vs. Banshee
Firestorm vs. Beast <--- Both Scientific
Martian Manhunter vs, Hulk
Mary Marvel vs. Firestar
Cyborg vs. Black Widow
Red Tornado vs. Captain America
Big Barda vs. Monica Rambeau
Shazam vs. She-Hulk

Hal Jordan - has fought telepaths before; has the willpower to resist Professor X long enough to take him out
Batman - Batman surely has a plan for beating Green Arrow, and Hawkeye isn't much different
Steel - Steel's armor can take a couple of hits, and his hammer gives him a good long-range weapon to take Cykes out
Green Arrow - if this were Archangel, I'd give it to Warren. But Ollie has enough toys to take out someone who can just fly
John Stewart vs. Captain Mar-vel - I have faith in John and his ringslinging
Dr. Fate - magic over Herc's muscles; there are many ways Dr. Fate can take Herc out
Kyle Rayner - Kyle smashes through Bobby's ice constructs with his GL ring
Wonder Woman - Diana can lasso Rogue and take her out before Rogue even gets near
Faith - I know Jean was powerful, but Faith once threw an alien armada out of a galaxy. And she has this good vibes power to boot.
Zatanna - "pn erom srewop!" Sorry Carol, you're powerless.
Superman - no contest.
Flash (Barry) - Barry is too fast for War Machine to get a hit. Barry forms a cyclone to pull War Machine to the ground...
Phantom Stranger - one wave of his hand, and Wolverine is toast
Banshee - poor Taz goes down before he gets near
Firestorm - long-range nuclear blasts and transmutation beat Beast down
Martian Manhunter - too many powers. sorry Hulk
Mary Marvel - Mary is too durable for Firestar, I think.
Cyborg - too many gadgets for Natasha to handle
Red Tornado - Reddy blows Cap away before he can get close
Monica Rambeau - Barda's tough, but she's not invulnerable...
Shazam - way stronger than She-Hulk, sorry

Professor X (The whole telepathy/mind control would stop Just about anybody)
Batman
Steel
Green Arrow
John Stewart
Dr. Fate
Kyle Rayner
Wonder Woman
Marvel Girl (Jean Gray)
Zatanna
Superman
Flash (Barry)
Phantom Stranger
Banshee
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter
Mary Marvel
Black Widow
Captain America
Monica Rambeau
Captain Marvel (Shazam)

Hal Jordan
Batman
Steel
Green Arrow
John Stewart
Dr. Fate
Kyle Rayner
Rogue
Marvel Girl (Jean Gray)
Ms. Marvel
Superman
Flash (Barry)
Wolverine
Banshee
Firestorm
Hulk
Mary Marvel
Black Widow
Captain America
Big Barda
Shazam

Hal Jordan
Batman
Cyclops
Green Arrow
John Stewart
Dr. Fate
Kyle Rayner
Wonder Woman
Marvel Girl (Jean Gray)
Zatanna
Superman
Flash (Barry)
Phantom Stranger
Banshee
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter
Mary Marvel
Cyborg
Red Tornado
Big Barda
Captain Marvel (Shazam)

Professor X
Batman
Cyclops
Green Arrow
John Stewart
Dr. Fate
Iceman
Wonder Woman
Marvel Girl
Ms. Marvel
Superman
Flash
Wolverine
Banshee
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter
Mary Marvel
Black Widow
Captain America
Monica Rambeau
Shazam

I will close the polls at midnight tonight.

Professor X
Batman
Steel
Green Arrow
John Stewart
Dr. Fate
Kyle Rayner
Wonder Woman
Marvel Girl (Jean Gray)
Zatanna
Superman
Flash (Barry)
Phantom Stranger
Banshee
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter
Mary Marvel
Cyborg
Red Tornado
Monica Rambeau
Shazam

Looks like DC's really going to wallop Marvel this round.

Just like in the comic books

Yes, I'm kind of dreading the vote tally. I hope I don't have to re-balance the teams again. When I put this together, I was hoping we would more or less have even eliminations until the last few rounds. Part of me wonders what would have happened if I did a Villains version of this, as more Marvel villains seem to have powers.

Hi everyone, sorry once again you get the bare minimum as my internet clunked out at the worst time. Fortunately, I at least saved all the scores. Feel free to add your own synopsis, I will add more as we discuss. It is hard for me to write realistic blow-out fights, as they aren't as entertaining in my opinion.

I feel like most of the matches I am making are relatively equal so I am confused by the results...if anyone has any better suggestions for matching let me know.


Hal Jordan 3 vs. Professor X 3- TIE
Batman 6 vs. Hawkeye
Steel 4 Cyclops 2
Green Arrow 6 vs. Angel
John Stewart 6 vs. Captain Mar-vel (I need to start voting as I disagree with this)
Dr.Fate 6 vs. Hercules
Kyle Rayner 5 Iceman 1
Wonder Woman 5 Rogue 1
Faith 1 Marvel Girl(Jean Gray) 5
Zatanna 4 Ms.Marvel 2
Superman 6 vs. Iron Man
Flash (Barry) 6 vs. War Machine
Phantom Stranger 4 Wolverine 2
Tasmanian Devil vs. Banshee 6
Firestorm 6 vs. Beast
Martian Manhunter 5 vs. Hulk 1
Mary Marvel 6 vs. Firestar
Cyborg 3 vs. Black Widow 3- TIE
Red Tornado 3 vs. Captain America 3- TIE
Big Barda 2 Monica Rambeau 4
Shazam 6 vs. She-Hulk

I would say again, just start pitting DC v DC

I guess I will have a mini DC vs. DC towers game inside of this one in order to keep the game going. Would anyone object if I just remove Phantom Stranger? I feel like he is just going to win if I do not. I should have excluded all top-tier entities from the game.

No qualms with removing Phantom Stranger. He is just way too powerful.

I voted for Wolverine

Begone, Stranger!

Cool, thank you for the swift responses. By my count, we have nine extra DC characters, so I think I will do three matches of three. Example: character 1 vs. character 2 vs. character 3. In WWE terms, a small Battle Royale.

Sounds good to me.

After removing Stranger, I count 11 more DC characters (17-6).

I'm thinking of just putting all the remaining DC characters in a real Battle Royale then, and letting who you think the six remaining ones would be. If that doesn't sound like a good idea, I will side-step the voting process and just eliminate the extras through Random.

I really don't think we should do random. That takes a lot of the fun away!

Royal Rumble Time! Please choose the top six that would survive a fight against the odds. This is in a neutral arena setting, so now powers should have an unfair advantage.

Hal Jordan
Batman
Steel
Green Arrow
John Stewart
Dr.Fate
Kyle Rayner
Wonder Woman
Zatanna
Superman
Flash (Barry)
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter
Mary Marvel
Cyborg
Red Tornado
Shazam

Hal Jordan
Dr.Fate
Superman
Flash (Barry)
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter

Kyle Rayner
Wonder Woman
Zatanna
Superman
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter

that was tougher than I thought

Dr.Fate
Zatanna
Superman
Wonder Woman
Flash (Barry)
Shazam (Captain Marvel)

I will keep polls open until midnight this Saturday due to the holidays. I probably will end up voting in order to try to avoid ties.

I very nearly included Shazam and Dr Fate in my list. I ended up sticking with JLA stalwarts because, to my mind, they have more combat experience

John Stewart
Dr.Fate
Wonder Woman
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Shazam

Green Arrow
John Stewart
Wonder Woman
Firestorm
Mary Marvel
Cyborg

I have decided instead of picking between two Green Lanterns, to let Shazam advance instead in order to avoid debate. Both Green Lanterns are very powerful but they have extremely different styles. I will probably use Random tonight to start the next round later today.
The Results are as Follows:
Poll Results
Kyle Rayner
Wonder Woman 4
Zatanna 2
Superman 4
Flash (Barry) 2
Firestorm 3
Martian Manhunter 3
Mary Marvel 1
Cyborg 1
Red Tornado
Shazam 2

Remaining DC Characters
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Firestorm
Zatanna
Superman
Shazam

Remaining Marvel Characters
Professor X
Marvel Girl(Jean Gray)
Banshee
Black Widow
Captain America
Monica Rambeau

Superman got four votes, shouldn't be advance too?

that would mean two out of three of Zatanna, Barry and Shazam get through

You are correct, I totally did not see that. I edited it to remove Flash (Barry) since he might be game-breaking now that I think about it.

I shall console myself by remembering Barry's victory in JLIdol >sniff<

After this, the Semi-Finals! Hmm, no street-level characters left for the DC side.

Zatanna vs. Captain America
Wonder Woman vs. Professor X
Shazam vs. Black Widow
Martian Manhunter vs. Marvel Girl(Jean Gray)
Superman vs. Monica Rambeau
Firestorm vs. Banshee

Zatanna
Prof X (Diana has been susceptible to telepaths before)
Shazam
Martian Manhunter
Monica Rambeau (she can always turn into red sunlight... even if she doesn't figure out Supes' weakness right away she can remain in energy form)
Firestorm

Zatanna
Professor X
Shazam
Martian Manhunter - shame it wasn't Phoenix
Superman
Firestorm

Zatanna
Professor X
Captian Marvel
Martian Manhunter
Superman
Firestorm

Zatanna
Professor X
Shazam
Martian Manhunter
Superman
Firestorm

It is clear from preliminary votes that DC will win over Marvel. The question arises on how we wish to end the game? Would you like a one-vs-one battle for sake of completion or just to end it?

One on one battles. Given that this is a Legion board it is not too surprising that DC characters come out on top.

One on one to ze end!

One on one until only one is left!

Ok, we will do one on one battles then. I will start with these:

Superman vs. Professor Xavier
Shazam vs. Zatanna
Martian Manhunter vs. Firestorm

I will have to end this round Saturday night as I am leaving for vacation on Sunday.You guys can do mini-Towers or bonus rounds if you want to continue. This has been a lot of fun, and since the thread title is generic I might just keep using it.

Professor X (Superman couldn't even beat Max Lord...)
Zatanna!
Martian Manhunter

Superman
Captain Marvel
Martian Manhunter

Professor X
Zatanna
Martian Manhunter

Superman
Zatanna
Firestorm

Now I am reconsidering my vote for Prof X. Sure he is powerful, but Superman is fast and could clobber him before he can think...

One blast of heat vision...

Or super ventriloquism to pretend to whisper sweet nothings from Jean Grey into the Prof's ear to distract him. Super creep.

That's it, I'm changing!

I want to remind participants that this is the current version of Superman and not Pre-Crisis Superman.

Does this version still have super breath? That would do it. Hard to think in a gale of saliva!

A lot depends on his speed as well.

That would depend on whether he has his chair, can walk or is possessed by something that makes him walk. We are talking about Xavier?

This version of Xavier is shortly before "All-New X-Men, All Different X-Men", when they introduced Storm, Wolverine, etc. to a larger audience. By the way, anyone seen Myg lately?

Myg has been around less than before, but does post still from time to time.

These are the results per my count. At this stage, I just use a notepad and count what people post (which is probably why I get the most errors).

Superman 2
Zatanna 3
Firestorm 1
Martian Manhunter 3
Shazam 1
Professor X 2

So the next 'official' matches would be: Martian Manhunter vs. Professor X and Superman vs. Zatanna. For the sake of time, if a Moderator wants to speed this up and run it without me, feel free. Otherwise, you can use this thread for other fights until I return. I will be in an area with little Internet access for a week.

I can run it for you, Emily.

Okay, so recap:

Superman vs. Professor X - tie - both advance
Zatanna vs. Shazam/Captain Marvel - 3-1 in favor of Zatanna
Martian Manhunter vs. Firestorm - 3-1 in favor of J'Onn


Next:

Martian Manhunter vs. Professor X
Superman vs. Zatanna


Vote for your picks for the two matches!

I think we can keep this open until you return, Emily. I think you should have the honor of closing this round =) Although, there WILL be a round after this...

My votes:

Martian Manhunter!
Zatanna (yeah, I know Supes is fast, but all the time Zatanna needs is to cast one spell...)

Martian Manhunter (his telepathy is enough to blunt Prof Creepy until he can use Martian vision)
Superman (just one blast of superbreath/ heat vision is enough to catch out Zee before she can say a meaningful spell.)

Martian Manhunter
Superman (While her power level fluctuates with the needs of the story, her "Typical" elemental combat magic wouldn't be enough to effectively counter Supes long enough to put him down)

Martian Manhunter
Superman

(Sorry about my absence - got caught up in moving and my wifi is still erratic)

Thank you for running the game in my absence. Here are my votes:

Martian Manhunter vs. Professor X- Professor X, even alien empresses respect his power
Superman vs. Zatanna- Zatanna, as she has more versatility. I like his museum in Metropolis though.

I will keep this thread open until 10:30 P.M tomorrow night (Central US Time)

Martian Manhunter - has the telepathy plus

Zatanna - Supes is vulnerable to magic

tie for second match!

my pleasure Emily, thanks for starting and running this exciting game

I went to bed early last night, so here are the results now.

Martian Manhunter 5
Professor X 1
Zatanna 3
Superman 3

DC won the Towers game a long time ago, so what remains is to have one winner per the fans (that is you) requests. I think the best way to resolve the current situation is a three person brawl.

Martian Manhunter vs. Zatanna vs. Superman

Remember that two of these could team up against a third before turning on each other.

Martian Manhunter took down Ultraman in moments in Earth 2, and the Martian prevails despite some heat vision injuries. But a moment is all Zee needs to summon up a wall of fire. The Martian may escape from it at super speed, but that just gives Zee the chance to emulate something she picked up from the Scarlet Witch back stage... "No More...Martians." And that's the end of that. Zee for the win.

Technicallt Z would say "On erom snaitram!"


I give it to Martian Manhunter. I think Both J'onn & Z would see Supes as the main threat and would both go after him. As I said before Supes is vulnerable to magic, so Zee would take him out. Meanwhile J'onn could use his telepathy to scramble Z's thoughts so she could not cast a spell against him.

Martian Manhunter for the win. he turns intangible, then before Zatanna can cast magic he telepathically shuts her down. He can then do the same to Superman at his leisure.

Has Zee been replaced by Wanda?! Are Marvel poised to win after all?! Is Wanda a Skrull?!

Is thoth trying to get us to change our votes to Zatanna?

I was going for the Skrull vote actually "Vote for an Evil You Can Trust!" as it says on their election bumper stickers. Besides, Marvel got a bit of a beating in this one.

Martian Manhunter. In the Heat Vision/Magic/Crazy Powers Mexican standoff, he's got the best odds.

Martian Manhunter. Because he's green.

And he can shapeshift into their corners before bashing them upside the head (or inside their heads).

I will close votes on Saturday night at midnight and do my best to have final results by Sunday.

Looking good for Martian (drop me from the JLA will you?) Manhunter.

To be fair. In the early JLA stories he wasa second rate Superman and pretty much only used his Martian Breath. He bacame a much better character when writers started focusing on his Shapesifting and telepath.

Ah those early JLoA tales when Fox and Sekowsky focused on Martian Breath. JLoA versus the Mint Master! When Holly Tosis Betrayed the League! The Crown Caps Injustice! All classics.

It was good that they focused on his other powers. Good way to differentiate him.

I remember in JlA/Avengers, the Avengers realized how much of a tactical advantage J'Onn's JLA mindlinks were

Final Results

Martian Manhunter 4
Zatanna 1
Superman 0

Thank you all for your participation, time, and patience! I will be taking a short, probably about a month, break from running any games. If any of you wish to run a Tournament or Idol please feel free to do so. I only ask that if any of you would want to go straight to our Legion of Doom (Justice League Villain) Idol, to please consult me first as I know where to find a good list.

Thanks for a great game. It went well, even as Marvel characters were dropping in rapid succession. Well done to J'Onn too!

Yes, I had a lot of fun! thanks Emily

Great game Emily

Thanks Emily!