Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Bleedingcool Rumors: Giffen, Lightle

That could very well be the case. It still makes me wonder if something specific set him off and if something Legion-related might have been the spark.

I could be wrong but I think what set him off was the whole "Before Watchmen" thing.

How 'bout "current"?

Yup. We're not talking private e-mails here, people!
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Not everything is about the Legion...

That's cool. I'm not a, er, Twitter-er, so I can see now that the quote was out of context. To be fair, the article could have been edited a little better (probably without the Legion reference) to prevent speculation like I made. Honestly, taken out of context, I think it was fair on my part.

I find ironic that nowadays, unless a book is written by Geoff Johns or Grant Morrison, or isn't Batman, it doesn't sell that great.

So I doubt that having someone like Giffen or Lightle coming on board would make the book sell that much more. we can hope though.

And I certainly hope that when Legion Lost is cancelled (let's face it, it's only a question of time), the characters will be folded back into LSH.

It\'s Official. Giffen and Levitz six issue arc starting with #13.

The new arc features the new DCU version of the Fatal Five:

Yay for Giff.

But the main thing I get from the article is the Legion has never met the Fatal Five here and that is annoying beyond words if I understand that correctly.

Well, it smooths out the why Validus and Tharok are back questions nicely.

If Sarya's death hadn't been referenced in the Annual, I'd suggest maybe she hasn't been Empress yet. But maybe they'll fudge over that anyway.

With no Fatal Five, the deaths of at least Ferro Lad and possibly Invisible Kid couldn't have happened the way they did preboot. Plus Shadow Lass's joining must have happened differently.

Didn't the Fatal Five appear in Legion of 3 Worlds? Or was that now just a little wrinkle in time that has been smoothed over?

It matters as much as New Krypton and that Supergirl Annual. Deleted.

I bet all those Legionnaires who went back to New Krypton were really just vacationing all this time.

You know, like Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel were on their second honeymoon, which is why the rest of the Legion couldn't find them. What?

Considering like half of L03W was about bringing back Superboy and Impulse, both of whom have since been rebooted, I definitely wouldn't count on that as reliable at all for continuity.

Just 6 issues? Hope they sell well so he will be asked back. Levitz NEEDS Giffen, I think.

As for the possible retconning out of Fatal 5 continuity, yes that is pretty annoying.

I've just had to face the facts-- history at DC (and the Legion's fistory) are nonexistent. Every Crisis deletes what came before it. The DCnU's time is numbered too.

I'm actually not really bothered by this at all, but I've been pretty much over the pretense of trying to hammer in the round peg of preboot Legion continuity into the square hole of the rest of the DC Universe since the retroboot began.

Agreed; it's best to just enjoy what you're reading now without trying to make yourself crazy fitting it into a no-longer existent continuity. And don't believe what DC tells us is and isn't in continuity because they can obviously change that at their mad whim.

You know, I know that, and have made peace with it in other places like Superman and Teen Titans, but for whatever reason it's bothering me. I guess I really am starting to hate the DCnU and the only way I can get over that is if the story is so good, my prior connection with the franchise doesn't matter.

So, no pressure. It has to be the best story in years or I'll hate it.

^Same. I can always pretend, "Hey, it's an Elseworlds"... Continuity ain't all that important, and the old stories still happened somehow, somewhere.

Ohhh man...this is maybe the first continuity bollocking in the Legionverse that I really have a problem with.. :\

I agree with the comments that it's best to just concentrate on the stories now and not try to fit everything together in a complex puzzle when it clearly just doesn't fit, but...

It's the scale of it. The Fatal Five are such a huge part of Legion lore. Ferro Lad's death is one of the most classic superhero stories period, and it just feels like sacrilege messing with that kind of stuff for no particular reason.

Things like Shady and Mon-El never having been married...sure, it bugs me, but at the end of the day I can get over it. Such a massive part of Legion history having never existed when there's no reason for them not to have though...I dunno, it rubs me the wrong way. You don't have to be a slave to continuity, but I think you need to respect the cornerstones that a universe is built on, and the Fatal Five is definitely one of the cornerstones of the Legion's particular history.

I lived through the Threeboot and the Reboot, and even found stuff to love in them.

I never really believed that this was the 'classic' team, thanks to the weird discontinuity in Action and Lo3W and the first year of Levitz's return, and some of the strange characterization hiccups, so I'm not hugely shocked that Paul has given up and just said it's all new again.

Whatever. I'm sure I'll find stuff to like in the future Legion(s), whether or not they have any bearing on the past Legion(s).

Hopefully Paul doesn't feel the need to retell the Universo story again, or bring back Darkseid for another run. Been there, done that, multiple times, and I don't think he's ever gonna top the Universo Project or the Great Darkness Saga.

The whole Fatal Five deletion just opens up waaay more problems then it solves.

Stupid Fracking DCNU...grumble grumble bitch moan...

oh my exactly my thought!

someone needs to ask that question to Paul at SDCC and have him explain how and why, etc.

anyone volunteer? I am unable to go to the SDCC because I will be in Lake Tahoe celebrating the organization s 30th anniversary party. sigh.

The Fatal Five are a HUGE part of Legion lore and removing them from continuity is like removing the Joker from Batman or Lex Luthor from Superman histories.

No Fatal Five? Is this another move dictated to Levitz by TPTB or did he really come up with this himself? Totally unneccessary move in my eyes, but like so many people here I have stopped bothering. I got some enjoyment out of the last few Legion issues so that's a good sign, always loved Levitz / Giffen as a team, so I'll certainly stay on board but I doubt that any new reader will be lured to the book by some cool new Fatal Five thingie when he just has to google that those Fatal Five aren't so new at all... I guess this is just another of those AINT THAT OH SO COOL moves that sacrifices the remnants of meaning and continuity to a quick special effect (anybody remember Morrison giving us the un-eaten Miracle Machine during Final Crisis???)... or Karate Kid during Countdown...

By the way: Has it ever been explained how Karate Kid came back from the dead before Lightning Saga??? I have read so much garbage during the last four years I really cannot remember...