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... though I don't like the general direction of Dick's continued disillusion (when's he going to catch up with the Nightwing who knows Donna's alive? That'll make a *huge* difference-- or it should), I found this a pretty fun issue. Deathstroke enlisting Dick to train Ravager is a plot turn I never would've guessed.
There's a bit too much of Dick breaking hearts (Ravager and the orphan mafia girl, here), but it does, at least, propel the plot forward.
If Dick's going to infiltrate the Secret Society, he'll be doing it with Deathstroke's cooperation? Interesting.
I still wish Dick would go on tour with a rebuilt Halley's Circus for a bit.
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just picked this up after a long time away from Nightwing (one of my fave heroes but I fell off before Dixon left)
Hester's artwork is great on this ... his motion is completely different from McDaniels' flow but it still works phenomenally
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I'm torn. I dropped NIGHTWING after Dixon and McDaniel's Year One arc and swore I wouldn't touch it as long as Devin G was still "writing" the book... even at the expense of Hester and Park's great artwork. But this storyline keeps pulling at me, daring me to check it out. I keep seeing the upcoming covers by H&P, with Dick in his Deathstroke outfit, and.... argh!  I keep telling myself it's just Devin ripping off the "Red X" Robin idea from the TEEN TITANS GO! cartoon... it's working so far.  
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Well, Andy and Pov- Hester's work is great... but Devin's still doing everything she can to turn Dick as grim as Batman.
The Deathstroke/villain infiltration is a good story, though-- and will apparently lead to IC and postIC events.
Have you read rumors about what's supposed to happen in the Bat-family after IC? Given recent events here, I wonder if the rumor-starters got the characters involved reversed somehow...
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Originally posted by Pov: I dropped NIGHTWING after Dixon and McDaniel's Year One arc and swore I wouldn't touch it as long as Devin G was still "writing" the book... even at the expense of Hester and Park's great artwork.
But this storyline keeps pulling at me, daring me to check it out. I keep seeing the upcoming covers by H&P, with Dick in his Deathstroke outfit, and.... argh!
You can always just check it out in the store, and then if you must, get a copy of whatever quarter box these issues will inevitably find their way into. That said, having seen a copy, I can say that this is the best issue Grayson has done for some time, which means it almost works its way up to being mediocre.
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Loved the Oracle/Canary/Arsenal usage-- though it really *hurt* to see Dick Grayson clocking Roy Harper (again). I kind of like Ravager as a Nightwing protege whose bound to turn on him. Don't like the mafia princess at all. Actually, she's OK-- I just don't like the idea of her, I think.
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Three more issues, and then I can start getting Nightwing again.
2006 is looking up.
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Phils artwork is fine. It really grew on me on GA before the hired winnick and i quit it, but i just cant stomach the writing on NW anymore until they change writers.
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I like the route their taking Nightwing. This is his Hell, his torment, more so than the Tarantula. When Dick sees how wrong he's been acting, how far he's lost his way, he will recove, and we'll get to see the great hero he is.
I am digging the art, but I liked them on Green Arrow, so no surprise there. Very few have the skill to show motion like Hester or McDaniel. And Nightwing is all about motion. Devon nailed that right in all her interiews about this guy.
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Who the hell is Bruce Jones? Another writer with a name like a Batfamily character?
Uhhhh, this does not bode well.
So, any info on who this Bruce Jones is?
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Jones is currently writing the Vigilante miniseries. It's been very good so far. That mini is playing out like a psychological crime drama. If he writes NW like he's doing that series, it'll be fine. Bruce Jones on Vigilante
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Originally posted by rickshaw1:
So, any info on who this Bruce Jones is? He's the guy who drove Hulk into the ground with a "mystery" that lasted four years without a payoff.
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Bruce Jones also wrote a lot of great horror comics in the '70s and '80s. And he wrote Ka-Zar for Marvel in the '80s; (along with Moon Knight and Micronauts, the first direct market books), which I believe was Brent Anderson's first pro work.
I agree he lost direction a little on Hulk as it went on, but it really started strong the first 10 issues or so, imo. One thing to keep in mind when a title loses it's direction, is that it can happen for a number of reasons outside of the writer's control.
For example, I know a lot of people complained about the fact that about a half year went by on Hulk, where you almost never really saw the Hulk at all (personally, I liked that). Pressure can come down from a number of angles and force a writer to change course midstream.
I like Bruce Jones' work a lot.
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I take it it's official then that Jones has the gig?
Better go have a look at Newsarama.
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This ended surprisingly quickly. I'm left curious about what Rose Wilson is thinking, and what side of the 'fence' she'll end up upon.
I'm looking forward to a new take on the character, one that'll *build* him, instead of tearing him down, brick by brick.
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I believe they had to end this storyline sooner than they wished in order to fit it in with IC and "One Year Later". The next two issues will likely set that up.
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Y'know, I almost want to see Dick get replaced. Heheh, then how would you guys feel about the way he's been portrayed.
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His current portrayal would still suck, and I would continue to save a couple of bucks every month.
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What if it's a different Dick????
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Dick Cheney IS.... Wingnut! 
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NIGHTWING #116
Guess the infiltration of the Society plot got dropped. But did Dick Grayson? He don't look so hot on the last page. Will Chemo's radiation be the cause of Nightwing's death?
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You know, I used to think I overreacted to things, and then I see what Slade arranges here...
Taken on it's own, this issue had some good moments. Just don't stop to think about why Dick goes out of his way to try to save Blockbuster's lawyer and why he thought his plan to save Bludhaven had any hope of working. It's better that way.
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This issue actually made me feel a little better about all the idiocy that's been going on in this title for months. At least there's an explanation for what Dick was trying to do. (Not that I would disagree with OM, it wasn't likely to work ) Now, has anyoe seen the solicit for the April (?) issue? <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">It's OYL and there are now two Nightwings! Looks like one is Dick and the other is Jason.</span></span>
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I think Dick getting doused with Chemo's mess is going to end up giving him powers.. as aluded to in Wizard magazine.
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That would ruin Dick Grayson for me, IMO.
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I'd rather he not get powers, either. The character doesn't need them.
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I order everyone here to rush out to their CBS and look at the last page of the current Nightwing....
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Wonder if that was purely Devin or not. At any rate, very nice. I hope it sticks somehow.
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Well, the story wrapped up quite nicely and by God it had better stick!
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So, for those of us who are unable to follow Stratum's advice on reading the last page....what happened?
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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Dick asks Babs to marry him...  </span></span>
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Sorry, AFB, I normally don't mind spoiling but this one was one you had to see for yourself, IMO.
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Originally posted by Pov: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Dick asks Babs to marry him... </span></span>I read that a few weeks ago. But what was the answer?
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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Nothing verbal. They kissed in the last panel, and Babs was wearing the ring</span></span>
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Originally posted by Stratum:
Sorry, AFB, I normally don't mind spoiling but this one was one you had to see for yourself, IMO.
Jamie *gulp!* Sorry, Jamie! You're trying not to spoil it and I'm blabbing left and right...  But spoilers don't do the scene justice... people should at least take a look at it if they're not buying it til DG's gone (like me ).
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Pov,
No worries. I just wanted everyone to know why I didn't spoil it. In light of all the bloodshed in comics right now, that cliffhanger surprised me more than any other in a long time.
And you're right. It's something that when you read it, you don't quite believe it's happening. And one should see it for him/her self.
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The end did come out of left field, didn't it?
But so did a turn for Rose Wilson... maybe even for Dick, himself. Though that turn is one fans have been waiting for for SOOOOO long now.
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WHOOO HOOO!
I danced a jig at that sight. There was a similar scene a few years ago, and I had the same tingly feeling as then.
Say what you will about Grayson's run (I defend this gal a lot) she wrote a hell of a last issue. I'm sure editorial gave her some end points, but she pulled them all off very well.
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We're two issues in to OYL, with a new creative team.
I wasn't too excited with the first OYL ish. There was little story. We got introduced to two Nightwings, and two costumes. The original outfit on the new Nightwing seemed wrong, and the new outfit was a sad derivative. Everyone ranted about Devin writing Dick out of character, but Jones didn't do any better. And Dick's life seemed more out of focus than before.
The new issue was a big change. Lots of action, tho' I don't think the artist drew with the kind of energy McDaniel or Hester have. I'm not liking Jones' interpreation of Dick, but I'm willing to see where he's going.
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Pretty much in agreement, CJ. I'm a little put-out that Jones has Dick in bed with the redhead of the week-- who is he now, Wolverine?! It shows a gross misunderstanding of Dick and Babs' relationship. I wasn't expecting much to come of Devin's little "Easter egg" at the end of her final issue, but this was a poorly executed way of writing it off. As someone who was terminably bored 5 issues into Jones' Hulk run, I'm happy with the action we're seeing. Jason's a good foil for Dick. I'd like to see him as a permanent adversary-- with his OWN identity. We've had worse art on NIGHTWING. If the stories hold my interest, I'm willing to let this team develop their own style for the book. Major sticking point storywise-- Dick, behind on the rent? Needing a job?? Shyeah, right. :rolleyes: Although, the job he ended up with...
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Isn't Dick also appearing in one of the bat titles for awhile? I need to know, since neither NIGHTWING or OUTSIDERS are featuring a Dick Grayson that I recognize.
I liked seeing Clancy again... the blond twins are vaguely interesting... I kind of like Jason Todd as a villainish anti-hero (is that how we're supposed to see him? Or is he out-and-out villain, in your opinion), but for the love of comics, give them distinctive costumes. I don't care if they squabble over the name for awhile, but they shouldn't look like twins.
Lookalikes-- Dick and Jason, the blond gangster twins, Cheyenne or Cayenne or whatever her name is and Barbara... just hit us over the head, why don't you?
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3rd OYL issue for Nightwing out today, and it's the big disappointment for me. This is worse than what you folks had complained about with Devin's writing.
Out of character, irresponsible, this isn't Dick G. There's bit of dual exposition that's done nicely, but the set up around it is all wrong. The only good thing in the story is it looks like the dual NW thing is getting dealt with failry soon. (Maybe.)
Only 3 issues in, and we got a fill in artist already. Diaz did a good job, I liked his work. But it didn't fit with the established art, and certainly felt out of place.
Why not just cancel the title, DC? You dn't need to drive it into the ground first.
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This is a train wreck. Ugh. Much worse than anything Devin Grayson could dream up. And the art, not so hot.
I agree with Mystery Lad about not recognizing Dick Grayson, and about too many look alike characters.
Yikes, this is the most disappointing of all OYL titles for me.
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I disagree that it's worse then anything Devin has dreamed up. Jones, for example, has not had Dick raped at the hands of a Mary Sue character after completely failing in his mission to stop the book's main bad guy.
Is the book any good currently? Not really. But it isn't that good largely because Jones has picked up Nightwing from where Devin left it, instead of using Infinite Crisis and OYL as a basis to expand on the character.
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Nightwing = the worst comic being produced by DC. I'd say Marvel too, but I'm not dumb enough to buy all those crappy X-spinoff titles I have issue #3 OYL in front of me right now...but I just can't bring myself to open it yet. I fear the inside content. I fear it. (Devin Grayson's run, however, like OM says, is still hands down the worst run on traditionally great title since, jeez, ever?)
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I say have Gail write the book. She gets the Bat family so much better than the others on these books.
What I would like to see OYL, is Bruce giving Dick a serious dressing down and bring the guy back to his real roots and play off his strengths. If you want a second-rate Batman, bring Azrael back.
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Gail's a possibility.
Geoff Johns has on more than one occasion (most recently at Bristol) expressed a desire to write the character.
Fabian Niceza seems to like Nightwing a lot too, and is having him guest-star in a Superman arc he's doing with Kurt Busiek.
I can't remember where, but I think Allan Heinberg also said he was a fan.
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I love Geoff but I'm afraid that it would be too dark for the interpretation most would like to see. Fabian would be good. He's one of those writers than can go from light to dark stories pretty easily. Putting Heinberg on any project makes me nervous because of the delays. I wonder how long before WW gets a guest writer.... Busiek actually would be a good choice, as would Waid. I'd like to see a writer with a lot of clout take over though. A lot of people feel that Dick is getting the shaft after his initial setup in the first few issues of IC. There's been some recent blogging going on about this very subject. The Absorbacon I'm very much inclined to agree with these folks. Jamie
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Well, I've dropped this again. For as long as DC continues to treat NIGHTWING like the redheaded stepchild of the Batbooks. We need a top writer, and an artist to go with him/her. Heinberg's going to be too busy trying to get 6 issues each of YA and WW out a year. I'll have to check out Dick's guest-spot in Fabe and Busiek's Superman arc.
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Jones isn't working here, much like his HULK wasn't working. He doesn't seem to have the character down, just some vague notions of his recent history. With the OYL gap, and what we know of his time with Bruce and Tim, it seems odd to continue themes from Devin's run.
Give Fabe the title. He could use some DC work, and he'd certainly lighten the title up a bit. Bring back McDaniel or Hester (he didn't get much time on the book.)
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Originally posted by Pov: Heinberg's going to be too busy trying to get 6 issues each of YA and WW out a year.
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Unfortunately, Hester/Parks are busy with the new Ant-man series.
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Good news! At least it *could* be... Follow this link and scroll down a little over halfway. Warning-- there may be spoilers about other DC titles before you get to the news item relevant to this thread. http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/000764634.cfm
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That news should have me jumping for joy at the prospect. Unfortunately I read the other spoilers and saw one regarding the Legion a few entries below the Nightwing one that has completely ruined my day.
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I'm not a fan of the upcoming writer. He's not bad, just hasn't impressed me with anything.
As for the current team- ugh! Given the intentions for Dick, this title should have been cancelled ala Flash and WW.
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Looks like this could be some potentially good news for us long-suffering Nightwing fans. Marv Wolfman returns to write Nightwing! Only for four issues but I have a feeling DC's skittish over committing to another writer for longer. For me, what he has to say about what needs to be done with the character really echoes what most of us feel here. Jamie
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i may start purchasing Nightwing monthly again. But at this point Id have to read the first issue before i make a decision. However I am more willing to read a Wolfman issue than any of the Jones stuff.
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Yeah, I might pick up the Wolfman issues just to see. He used to have a pretty good handle on Dick, but that was many years ago, so we'll have to see if he's still got it.
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Ugh! This week's issue was a horrible quick fix. And we've still got 2 more issues of Jones.
I don't think Wolfman's going to break the slump. They need a big name to get excitment going- and Marv's been out of the spotlight for a bit.
And Jurgens hasn't ever nailed Dick's suit- he makes the gloves look like wrist bands.
I can't believe I'm so apathetic about a title that was my must read for so long.
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I just picked up the first two trades of the Dixon/McDaniel run... man. Id forgotten how good this book was, but even their run didnt pick up steam until the 6th issue. Im only saying.
Id rather not see Dixon or McDaniel return to Nightwing. It would kind of have that "Getting the Band back together" feel. and ReUnion tours just dont do it for me. Also it would kinda tarnish the "fond memories" I have of their initial collaboration a la Claremont's returns to X-Men.
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Anyone care anymore?
The new issue wasn't all that messed up. The artist was good. But it's too dark, literally. Maybe that's a colourist thing, but I like being able to read a story. And Nightwing isn't the grim and gritty guy, he's a lively fun loving acrobat.
The story isn't much, sort of an epilogue to the Brothers Grimm.
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I wasn't a fan of the art myself.
But it did look like Jones was starting to get a grip on the Dick Grayson character. Too little, too late, methinks, though I don't put all the blame on Jones.
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A new team, a new take. Any new opinions?
It was an okay start. Certainly glad to see the difference between Nightwing and Bats spelled out in the first page. There wasnt' much in the way of subtlety going on in the story. But as a first issue set-up, it was fun.
Got to say, I really don't like the Nightwing outfit. It's too sleek, too skin tight. I know Dick's an acrobat, but I just can'e see anyone wearing this- ever. Other than that, it looked beautiful. And with the extension of Marv's time on the title, I wouldn't mind seeing the art stick around as well....
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I've been on the verge of dropping this title for a while now and hung on because Marv was taking over. I must say this first issue was a good start. This finally felt like Dick again. Looking forward to seeing where this is going to go in the coming months.
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So, two issues of Wolfman. What's the word gang?
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Much better! Nightwing is back and looking great! 
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I grant Marv has certainly lightned the tone of the book. It just feels brighter with his writing. Dick isn't moping, just working the case.
The art is nice to lok at too. The Jurgens/Rapmund combo is working here. Just wish they'd get rid of the cuffs on Dick's forearms and calves.
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I'm on this like white on rice. Now if we can just get Marv to start writing Outsiders, I'll be extremely happy.
I have to say, the only thing I'm not digging is the inking over Jurgens pencils. He's not been getting the best inkers for his work lately at DC and I think it's making him look sloppy.
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Two issues? I've only got the one. Damn.
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Originally posted by Stratum:
I have to say, the only thing I'm not digging is the inking over Jurgens pencils. He's not been getting the best inkers for his work lately at DC and I think it's making him look sloppy.
I see your point but it still looks OK to me. They've announced that Jamal Igle will be taking over art chores with #128. Don't know if they'll change inkers as well or the styles will mesh better. We'll see.
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I see your point but it still looks OK to me.
They've announced that Jamal Igle will be taking over art chores with #128. Don't know if they'll change inkers as well or the styles will mesh better. We'll see. OM, that's a very minor quibble. More lamenting that Jurgens can't get a decent inker than any real bearing of the story, which I am enjoying. Jamie
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I've only read Marv's first issue so far and it was enough to bring me right back in, as if Grayson and Jones (and Winnick's use of him in Outsiders*) were a bad dream. Definately a great relief to have read that issue--looking forward to reading the next. <span style="font-size: 10px;">*I almost said 'Winnick's use of Dick' but knowing this board, I decided against it </span>
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The latest issue was a bit disappointing for me after the past few. However, I think it was probably needed to re-establish Dick's perspective.
The one thing that is really bothering me is the constant allusion to the fact that Dick was NOT supposed to survive IC. Does anyone else feel like we're seeing the groundwork being laid for the next BIG DCU event?
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I think so. We're also seeing the groundwork being laid in the following titles, I believe.
Mystery in Space
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The History of the DC Universe backups from 52
The Monitors have appeared in every one of these series (MiS shows a shadow cast one) and Donna, Kyle and Dick have all been told that they should have died.
As for the issue itself, yeah, it wasn't really strong but considering what came before, it wasn't that bad.
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Wasn't that bad? Dick gets taken down by a guy with an iPod and a shovel. Okay a bum arm and he's no longer good at self defense? But he can still dig through 30 feet of dirt with it?
Marv's run has been okay, certainly better than Jones'. But it's not grabbing me. So far, we've seen Dick being himself, not Nightwing. When he does don the suit, he's been less than succesful.
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I think Marv has Dick say roughtly the same thing in that issue.
Given that Marv only thought he had four issues initially, this ish is possibly him stretching things out a bit. Still, I liked that Dick was actually thinking instead of reacting here, and I liked that he got out of the situation without help.
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CJ, I look at it this way, it could have been worse. Jamie
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See I liked Devin's run for the most part. (I'm still waiting to see what happened with the proposal..) I listened to everyone complain about her having Dick act out of character.
Now, Marv has the book and there is a more positive tone that I do appreciate. But it seems he's writing Nightwing out of character now.
Where as Devin had Dick being moody and Nightwing having a tough go, Marv has Dick being more positive, but Nightwing is almost incompetent.
Guess as long as it isn't Jones, I'll be thankful.
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CJ, I disagree with him being written out of character. I think he has been more "in character" due to the fact that he admits that he hasn't been himself for some time, and sees the need to get back on track. Now in reality, thats Marv telling us that we know that the previous turns haven't turned out well, but things are going to change. If he just did it out of the blue, that would be more than a little off. Four issues isn't a lot to repair the damage done to the character by the last two writers. You may have liked Devon, but her stories were for the most part roundly hated because she turned him into a vapid weakling. The so-called "fight or f***" thing. The rape scene. His wishy washy attitude. The fact that a mary sue character became the focus of the book. Now, the focus is on Dick and Nightwing. Both have to work for the book to make it. And remember, Marv thought he only had four issues to try and turn things around for the character. He has more now. And you can bet he wont be needing a last minute save by Dinah and Babs to help him out. And Nightwing isn't incompetent, he is finally coming out of a long fog and clearing his thoughts. The body will heal, the mind needed refocusing. He posts over on the DC boards. Check out this thread for his thoughts... http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000098853&tstart=0 Still, i hope it comes around more to your liking.
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I can see where Marv was coming from, and what he was trying to do. But it seems Dick still spends most of his time internally whining about his life. With Devin is was monolouges about his failures. Now, it's monologues about his monolouges.
Readers didn't like the passive behaviour Dick went through after Blockbuster took his life away. That always seemed temporary to me, as if it was his grieving stage and that Devin was going to bring him around.
I wouldn't say he's been pro-active in Marv's arc. In the most recent issue, we learn Dick dons the union suit because it's all he can let himself do? Seems Dick spends more time avoiding his problems than dealing with them.
And for sake of my sanity- someone please give any artist drawing Nightwing a pinup by McDaniel! The wrist/ankle cuffs look like crap.
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Okay now this is how Marv should have started his run...
This week's issue was mostly set up. We get to see the new villains, Bride & Groom, start causing some trouble. Nightwing makes a follow up visit, while Dick takes care of some personal life stuff.
The best was seeing Dick fret over his talk with Bruce- he stills worries over what the old man thinks of him. And seeing Bruce be all positive and reassuring with his oldest was a nice touch.
The art was good, aside from the cuffs.
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I have to agree, this is how they should have started off the run. Lets hope it starts to really roll along now. I was starting to get worried that this might turn into a huge disaster.
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Great improvement on the art, it's energetic and smooth- great for an acrobatic character.
Marv has moved the story along, giving us a Dick I can believe in. Sure, he's had his moments of doubt, but it doesn't stop our hero. This is the Batman's prodigy.
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Did all the excitement about this book die down? Has Marv lost his appeal? Maybe Didio was right...
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Anyone else read the annual?
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I did...thought it was okay but not great. I loved seeing Babs in costume again and some of the flashbacks were pretty funny, especially when Dick and Babs were trapped in the vault (?)
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There were some really funny moments, but there were a couple of clunkers too.
The continued playing down of the Dick-Kory relationship is not appreciated.
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Haven't read a Nightwing book in ages. Back in the Dixon days. I enjoyed the annual. Lots of funny parts. Kinda sad too.
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The Annual was excellent, but still does nothing to explain Dick waking up OYL with a Babs-wannabe... @#$%ing Jones... 
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Originally posted by Pov: The Annual was excellent, but still does nothing to explain Dick waking up OYL with a Babs-wannabe... @#$%ing Jones... With any luck, they'll just forget that entire run ever happened.
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Marv's latest issue had a wtf moment- opening with Dick and a super team of criminals?!?! This guy has ties to every good guy in spandex, and he grabs a bunch of unheard of meta-ruffians?
Post OYL, I've not been impressed with this book. Time to consider the axe.
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It's consistent, if nothing else.
The same criticism could (and should) be applied to the Devin Grayson's run.
This arc wasn't bad, but it was stretched out too long. I think they should try to cut back to some done-in-ones (or twos).
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Marv can write an good opening piece, but his follow through seems to lack that excitement. If this doesn't have a bang for a finish, I'm done.
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Fabian Nicieza is doing a stint on Nightwing. Sorry gang, but he's my Marv Wolfman. Nightwing 138 DC Comics
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Fabian's a big fan of the character, from what I hear. Good that he's finally getting a shot at the title.
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He writes fun, and that's what always made Dick different than Bruce. His enjoyment of running around in the suit played off his moral code well, making him a more entertaining character.
And Fabe writes fun.
And that issue came out this week 11/15, part of the Ra's ressurection story.
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Tomasi's first issue is out, has been a few weeks now. Anyone care to comment?
It was a fine first issue, catching everyone up on Dick's status (even playing around with the Richard/Dick thing.)
The art was great- Rags and Bair can do no wrong.
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I liked it a lot.
I've been burned on this title too mnay times to call it The Second Coming, but their run is off to a good start.
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I've been afraid to read it, so its sitting on my nightstand. Is it safe to read Nightwing again? Like Miner says, I've been burned more than a few times by the title.
Rag's art is always a plesure though, I didn't realize he was the artist. Maybe I'll read tonight.
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Well Rags is a great artist, but we have Don Kramer filling in this issue. And I still get annoyed when folks draw Dick's gloves like forearmbands...
Robin and Nightwing team up to stop the still unknown graverobber/mad scientist. Sure, we got a name this issue, but it wasn't one I recognized. And neither did Robin.
Generic bad guy, unsatisfying resolution, good interplay between the two heroes. Tomasi seems to want to relate Dick to the DCU. And that's fine, but he doesn't do much to create excitment or energy in the book.
That seems to be my problem with this book since Dixon left. Everyone wants to define Dick. I know who he is- the former Boy Wonder. Let's see him doing amazing acrobatics, give him some wild adventures. Sure, it's fun seeing him play off others, but not at the expense of the action.
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I'm with you Ceej. That's what I'm looking for too here.
Seeing Dixon suddenly make Robin extremely enjoyable again makes me hope he (or someone) could do the same with Dick.
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I'm enjoying Nightwing for the moment. I don't usually grab it, but I really miss KGBeast, and these ARE technically appearances, so...
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I picked up Nightwing for the first time a couple of months ago and enjoyed it enough to put it on the pull list for a few months. When I starting using this picture as my Legion World avatar three years ago, I didn't even know who it was.
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So how about that face off with Talia? That was my favourite moment in Tomasi's run.
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Picked up the first Nightwing issue in a long time since it's been getting good reviews ... the character himself was good, what was seen of him, but that whole birth thing was weird. (It sort of reminded me of Stealth's gruesome birth scenes in L.E.G.I.O.N..) The aging thing was interesting, like real-life clones. Don't know that I'd get Nightwing again, though, except for the issues that are part of Batman R.I.P..
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FC- there's a lot of reviewers enjoying Tomasi's run. It's reviving the book from the doldrum slumps of post-Dixon writers. But I'm with you, while a good book, I'm just not getting the Dick/Nightwing I want.
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well, letting this be the swansong for the book i guess.
Tomasi and Kramer have been doing some knockout stuff, but i guess Didio finally gets his wish and does away with Dick Grayson as Nightwing.
So far, extremely underwhelmed by what he has put together for DC. Even the surefire success' like GL seem to be in spite of him and not because of him.
Just don't like what he has done to DC.
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I'm curious to see how Red Robin pans out. Didio's motivation for this devolution escapes me; I didn't think the name was so well received either in Kingdom Come or Countdown.
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The Red Robin name sucks and concept sucks. Don't like the costume. Why change Nightwing? Or Batman for that matter?
Batman, Nightwing and Robin are all perfect as they have been for the last 15 years.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Batman, Nightwing and Robin are all perfect as they have been for the last 15 years. *points out the horrid post-Infinite Crisis Robin costume...*
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Its not *terrible* but its a pretty pointless change. Its definitely not as good as the costume he had before, and losing the green coloring in the costume kind of takes something from it.
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Pretty cool action sequences in the most recent NIGHTWING, with the characters fighting in a fleet of blimps/airships.
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The threat was that of acid being dropped or spilled on the populace of NY. Wouldn't the resolution-- crashing all the ships in the water-- be just as hazardous, since they were carrying the acid?
Otherwise, entertaining with some very nice art, I thought.
I like the addition of the hang-glider (oops, it blew up). But it's all for naught, apparently.
I really, really dislike the prospect of Dick Grayson becoming Batman. It's not what the character would want... and I don't think it's what Bruce Wayne would want for his son (remember, he's been officially adopted), either.
The only thing worse is Red Robin. Yech. The costume reminds me too much of Dr. Mid-nite (on him, it looks good).
Devin Grayson and Judd Winick have really twisted Richard Grayson unmercifully. He keeps untwisting under other writers, but the powers that be apparently dislike the character.
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Beware my spoilers for 151, kiddies.
Tomasi is definately wrapping things up starting here.
Nightwing is seeming a lot more like Bruce when he visits Arkham. Definately pissed Two-face off. The Batman-ization starts here, folks.
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The jump! This is the kid daredevil we all remember from when Nightwing was Robin. It worked.
But the last few scenes...just reminded us why Dick is Nightwing and not Batman. The guys are brothers, not father and adopted son, or mentor and ward.
If, and i say if because i have no faith in the "longterm fiction" that Didio states DC is trying to form, Dick returns as Nightwing, for God's sake have Tomasi as the writer. Simply put, he has done more for the character in its own book in a year that anyone else did in the last fifteen. And i include Dixon in that. That says a lot.
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Seems like some posts may have been lost on this thread.
Anyway, the move to make Dick Batman seems to be gaining steam. He takes down Harvey, and this issue he faces off against Ras' like the original meeting of Bats and Ras', in the desert with swords. I wont say more as to how it played out, but this move seems to be solidifying things.
We wanted a less wimpy Nightwing, and now we seem to be getting Batman Redux. Shame, really, since what we wanted was a more respected Nightwing.
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I locked the thread in case we lost something, but my back up is the same as what's here.
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Thanks. It may have been mine. When i went to post on it for the new issue the last entry was several months old. You are a true class act, my friend. I...am just short of being a ludite.
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rick, I don't mind seeing Nightwing step up ala' Batman. He was raised by the man afterall. I think his humour and relatable is what makes him different than Bruce, and that will surely come into play when he dons the suit.
The recent face-off with Ra's shows he's up to the task. The more I see it coming, the more I don't mind Dick taking up the mantle.
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Anyone remember how awesome Nightwing was for like almost 100 issues before Devin Grayson came on? Think back, and remember. Remember how pumped you'd get when you picked up an issue for like almost a decade?
Too bad the last 5+ years have been so downbeat. And now the title is coming to an end for a marketing stunt.
What a dissapointment.
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Cobie, you're a fan of the new Cap A. I know this because after hearing your praise, I've been picking up the last few issues. Bru transitioned from Bucky to Cap effectively, and everyone thought it was temporary. Gotta say, I don't see that change being undone. Maybe it's time for Dick to take over; time for him to be the great character he is.
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Well, if done brillantly, it could be good. But I'm 100% confident that Bruce Wayne will be Batman in the future. He'll be Batman after Didio is dead, I'm dead, we're all dead. If any superhero is 'safe' from being put on the shelf, its Batman. And that knowledge hurts my ability to enjoy such a change. Unless its done brillantly--and then I'll hold back my complaints and enjoy. But already the bar is raised higher than any other normal story. The best way to go then is to develop Dick more and more on his own standalone personna which has been done at various times in his career. I feel like Dick once more becoming Batman temporarily would be a step backward. And I actually liked "Prodigal", the brief period in which Dick was Batman. It was a period of great growth for Dick, Tim and even Commissioner Gordon. So reverting Dick to Batman again is a 'been there, done that' scenario, unless its permanent which I can't really seriously think will happen. But hey, if its done REALLY, REALLY well, then sure, I'm on board . But now they have an uphill battle rather than a level playing field.
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I've never been a fan of sidekicks "graduating" into their mentors' role. I think it's disrespectful on two levels:
1) It says that no matter how great a former sidekick becomes in his own right, like Nightwing or Donna Troy, they are destined to lose their own identity in order to pretend they are someone "better"
2) That the mask is more important than the person behind it (Batman is too important, so if Bruce steps down we gotta shove someone else into the costume and pretend it's the same person).
This was always my problem with writers and fans who look at the Titans as the Justice League Replacements. The Titans outgrew their mentors' shadows years ago, but they are constantly forced to play second fiddle to the "Big Guns".
The world doesn't need a Batman, but DC Comics does, so they'll just make sure that someone is wearing the suit.
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Interesting Nightwing tidbit from ths week's Comic Book Legends Revealed article-- Dick was intended to die in Infinite Crisis, with Jones' run on Nightwing starring Jason Todd. While not an improvement, at least that would've made BJ's run on the book make sense.
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POV, Jones can't fault his bad work on Nightwing to the editorial fiat. His other work speaks to this. I can't find anything he's written that has been appealing or successful.
Putting Jason in the black-n-blue was never going to work. Bringing him back from the dead was a bad Winick idea; his death had more significance than anything since his return.
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Originally posted by Spellbinder:
I've never been a fan of sidekicks "graduating" into their mentors' role. I think it's disrespectful on two levels:
1) It says that no matter how great a former sidekick becomes in his own right, like Nightwing or Donna Troy, they are destined to lose their own identity in order to pretend they are someone "better"
2) That the mask is more important than the person behind it (Batman is too important, so if Bruce steps down we gotta shove someone else into the costume and pretend it's the same person).
This was always my problem with writers and fans who look at the Titans as the Justice League Replacements. The Titans outgrew their mentors' shadows years ago, but they are constantly forced to play second fiddle to the "Big Guns".
The world doesn't need a Batman, but DC Comics does, so they'll just make sure that someone is wearing the suit. I get what your saying, but it's not just at DC. We've had a Nightwing book for 10 years, and he hasn't garnered the fanatic fanbase that Bats has. And Dick's been around longer than WW. Readers want a Batman or WW more than they want Dick or Donna. The sidekicks always seemed to be grooming for taking over their mentors' roles- Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl aren't names suggesting they were looking to find their own identity. I've oft mentioned my desire to see a new generation of heroes. I like Kyle and Connor, Wally and Donna. Wally showed us it can be done right; Kyle held his own for a long while before DC began the Great Resurrection. The more I read from Tomasi, the more I think about it, seeing Dick in the cape and cowl excites me. He would bring a lively, fresh attitude to Batman- he would strike fear in the cowardly and superstitious lot and joke and pal with the brightly dressed compatriots.
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The way i see it, the sooner Winick and Didio are gone, the better DC will be.
Understand, i am not hating on Didio, from what i have read he is a good guy personally, but...
Under Didio's stewardship, books are frequently late, books that are good lose good creators (Dixon) who feel driven off due to various reasons, writers that don't really sell well but seem to be in his favored circle keep getting work...which leads us to Winick.
I don't know the guy, and i don't hate him personally, but what he does to books shouldn't be allowed. He is probably the closest thing to a marvel writer that DC has, and he always comes up short. Either his stories are anti-climatic, or he changes characters and has them act in ways diametrically opposed to their characters, or he doesn't bother to do his research and find out where a character is when he takes over the writing of that character.
I actually quit reading GL because of him, and i quit GA when he came aboard. He left GA and i picked it up with issue 15.
If you go back and look at his shoehorning in a character in GL to make it like it was 30 years earlier (supposedly relevant), as opposed to how it is being written now, its obvious that he doesn't fit.
*Note, yes, i am talking about the Terry Berg character. I objected to the heavy-handedness with which the character was used, not that the character was gay. If he had been a good character that happened to be gay, it would have been fine. Instead, he was a character that was there TO BE gay. I may be wrong in thinking like this, but it was insulting to both straight and gay people as i saw it. Contrast that with a character like Tasmanian Devil, who is a superhero that is gay, and not a gay superhero, and you get the idea, i hope.
His work on Nightwing was horrible in Outsiders, its why i dropped the book after three issues. And the only reason i am now reading Titans is because of Howard Porters return. But i understand there may be a new writer coming on board, so i will stick it out.
Didio has good ideas some times, but he is failing to execute them well, and it seems like it is starting to cause dissension and rifts in the DC ranks. DC has a rot from the inside, and its showing up in things like Nightwings cancellation.
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Winnick is probably the worst writer DC has had in the last 15 years. Not everything he touches is terrible, but most of it is.
The Jason Todd thing is just so poor. It added nothing of value to Batman or DC. Jason's death was actually a pretty historic and great part of Batman's history. And to cap it all off, its not like DC has had any great success with it. Fans don't love it. The media didn't make a story of it. It was a failed marketing ploy and now we're stuck with a living Jason Todd, whose appearance in any comic is equivalent to being the ultimate turn-off.
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I put Jason in the same class as Barry's sacrifice.
The death of each character, the circumstances surround it, became the stuff of legends.
In Barry's case, he became, moreso than Superman even, the Ultimate Hero. He stayed dead. He died to save the universe. And because of that, what had been a basically bland character for most of his existence became a symbol, standing for something far greater than the character itself.
As to Jason Todd, it made news around the world when people voted to "Kill Robin!" Yes, the comic fans knew the difference, but to most of the world, Robin was still Dick Grayson. And spinning out of that death came some fantastic stories, and the death became the basis for character change and expansion. That on singular event reshaped how Bruce Wayne percieved his war, and the ripples continued for years.
Now, Barry is back, and the symbol of the sacrifice is just another soap opera point.
Jason Todd is back and ..well...ehhh.
I love those old Barry Allen Flash books. I have been chasing the ones i missed down for years. And i have no doubt that Geoff and Company will tell some great stories...but in bringing him into this age, modern story creep cannot help but take place.
And that means that it wont be the barry we remember. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it wont be the character that everyone remembers, it will be the updated version.
Just my thoughts...i hope they make sense.
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Originally posted by Pov: Interesting Nightwing tidbit from ths week's Comic Book Legends Revealed article-- Dick was intended to die in Infinite Crisis, with Jones' run on Nightwing starring Jason Todd. While not an improvement, at least that would've made BJ's run on the book make sense. Reason #1000000000000 why Judd Winick's career at DC Comics needs to be erased from our international psyche.
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Winnick is a God! I mean, look at the fresh new things he's doing with the Titans! Jericho hasn't gone bugf*ck in, like, months! What an original! 
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I'm sorta surprised that no one has commented on this week's issue, the final issue of the run.
With all the ups and downs this title has had over the past few years, I suspect not many people have been reading it which is a shame because it really has been a good read recently.
That being said, this last issue was truly outstanding! Very emotional at points but rightly so. The scene in the bat cave where Dick and Alfred both agree that Bruce is really gone is very strong. It has a nice touch in that Tim is hiding on the stairs listening in on the conversation.
Dick's visit to the spot where Bruce's parents were gunned down is also special. The care he takes in replacing the burned out street light is touching. The juxtaposition of Dick & Bruce and their dying parents really brings home what these characters share at their core.
Although I'm sure Bruce will be back one day, I think Dick will end up in the Cowl for a while. The Nightwing name has already been passed in the DCU to the New Krypton Nightwing of Nightwing & Flamebird (appearing in Superman & Action Comics apparently)
One good thing that will come of this is that Tim really needs Dick to help him through all the death and turmoil he has experienced. He is slowly headed down a very dark road which really doesn't suit in my opinion. Having his fun loving "big brother" around on a regular basis and allowing them to team as Batman & Robin, will help his perspective tremendously and bring Tim back to where he should be.
I've always felt that Dick & Tim would be a perfect duo, not so much sidekick and mentor as partners that share absolute trust and loyalty. It will be fun to see the "brothers" playing together for a while.
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I know it, Vee. Thing is, i am just burned out on the situation. Not the character, but the situation. I've been one of those voices over on the DC boards asking for better than what we were getting, and being completely ignored.
Then we get Tomasi, who easily makes his bones on Nightwing, only to have the wonderful editorial staff of DC decide that we dont need batman in batman, cancel two of my favorite books, and shift him out of the nightwing persona.
Over a decade now of wanting a better book. We get it, DC cancels it.
About the only books screwed worse than Nightwing have been Legion, Hawkman, and Aquaman. And of the four, Nightwing and Legion were so tough to kill it took decades.
but, congrats to Didio. He managed to pull it off.
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Another comic that really impressed the hell out of me this month is Nightwing #1. At long last, Dick Grayson is truly back! No more ‘wearing Daddy’s shoes’, no more not being able to find his footing (talking about pre-Dick as Batman days). Dick is Nightwing and he’s one of the best and most important characters in the entire DCU. #1 accomplished its job in making you feel that immediately. And it felt damn good.
Everything about the issue clicked for me, making me more impressed with this outing than any story since Dixon was writing Dick’s solo title. But perhaps the very best thing is the artwork: Eddy Barrows draws one hell of a strong superhero with presence. He also draws a damn good action scene, and his quiet moments are equally a delight. The whole issue just looked fantastic from beginning to end, and inker JP Mayer and colorist Rod Reis (who also nailed it on Aquaman) helped make it so as well and are also deserving of praise.
Writer Kyle Higgins also impressed me, and I was skeptical after reading his Suicide Squad issue. But here he immediately captures Dick Grayson and does something very notable—he shows in one scene some of the ways how Dick is very much like Batman, and then shows soon after how Dick is very much *not* like Batman. It subtly showcases who Dick is as a character and I think it really is done well. This is something Higgins will likely be repeating often.
The issue is paced well throughout and the appearance of Haley’s Circus is inspired. I’m hoping they become recurring supporting characters for Dick, even if it means he meets up with them in other cities (why limit him to Gotham, after all?). The whole dichotomy of Dick feeling comfortable in Gotham as a home and his original home coming back into his life is another nice intentional contradiction Higgins added.
The villain is interesting, if for no other reason that Barrows draws him really well, and I’m curious if the guy we see taking a bus into Gotham is who he is (which is likely) or if its someone else, like the trapeze artist that may end up competing with Dick for Raya’s affections.
Really solid issue. I’m damned please to have Nightwing back after a long, long period of either uninspired (and sometimes even offensive) stories, and then having him as Batman, which to me never felt right.
Cobie Comparison: did I enjoy as much as JL #1? Absolutely. One of the better offerings of the DCnU.
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So where's Pov? CJ? Flannel Lass? Where are all the Nightwing peeps?! Dick is probably the third most popular DC character besides Batman and Green Lantern after all!
#2 was a continuation #1's excellent delivery. It's everything I wanted in a Nightwing book and more as Dick kicks ass as Nightwng and continues to get some much needed development as Dick Grayson.
I'm really digging the Haley's Circus plot element and anxious to see where it goes. The more I think about it, if Dick stays connected to Haley's and the series heads out on the road, going from city to city, I would totally be down with that.
Eddie Barrows draws an exiting superhero comic with an art style that makes me wonder why this isn't the #1 comic out there? He's different from Jim Lee but has that same sort of explosiveness. And Higgins has impressed the hell out of me.
So where's all the Nightwing peeps?
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NIghtwing was not one of the new DC books that I planned to buy. I've been trying so hard to stay within budget. The previews broke me down and I ended up buying the first two issues. Barrows work is gorgeous. Dick is right in character. The Haley connection is presented well. I guess I'm in.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
So where's all the Nightwing peeps? Enjoying Nightwing. No, really. I'm glad he's back to his own identity. It's amusing to me that of the 13 New 52 #1's I've bought *5* of them are Bat-related, 6 if you count JLI... and NONE of them star Bruce. And I'd include Nightwing, Catwoman and Batwoman in my personal Top 5. I'm glad to see Higgins touching on Dick's history with the circus and I'd like to see that as an ongoing element in the title. Dick on the road with Haley's is actually a great idea I hadn't considered, but it'd be a great device to introduce locales and guest-stars we wouldn't ordinarily think of for a Nightwing tale. Eddie Barrows... the name is familiar from solicitations I saw for Teen Titans awhile back, but in my distaste for that franchise these past years I never got to see his work. He's PERfect here.
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I hope Dick sticks with Haley's. When we were making up our own new DCU ideas before the end of FLASHPOINT, I kind of had the same idea for Nightwing-- except that I would've had current DCU anathemic characters like Donna Troy and Wally West guest-starring pretty routinely. Every guest star would've had to do a routine in the circus whenever they popped up.
I like what I've read so far: I hope the acrobats end up being all friendly, even if rivals, rather than fodder for villainy. I hope he wears red and blue Nightwing suits indiscriminately- if he has to always wear one color (with black), I'd pick blue.
I wonder if this DCU will have a Duela Dent?
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I'm digging Nightwing, but I have mixed feelings about the circus connection... sure, it's a important part of Dick's background, but I don't want his story to get bogged down by a bunch of "this is how it is in the circus" rhetoric... too often, like an actual circus, it's becomes about the sideshow freaks...
Otherwise, I'm glad to see Dick out from under the cowl... the art is beautiful... Dick remains pretty kick ass, and I'm intrigued where the secret identity revelation goes...
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Hmmm- possible name for future Nightwing sidekick... Ballyhoo. A fellow circus kid.
I feel opposite to Sharky-- I'd love extensive exploration of cirus lore and tradition. Sideshow freaks are pretty much extinct, though, aren't they? At least of the fat lady, dog-faced boy kind of freaks? I suppose very small circuses that stick to the rural routes might still mount a sideshow.
Are his former circus friends vital enough characters to make you forget the enormous hole left in Dick's back-story- really in his whole characterization-- by the absence of Wally and Donna and Garth? I like the new characters, but I'd have to strongly say 'no'.
I really wish they'd made the girl anything but another redhead.
This title would be among the new DC's very best if the villain had more of a personality and less generic weaponry. He just reads 'seen this a million times' to me without having anything memorable about him other than a murky motive.
Still a very good book, though. There's several reasons why Dick Grayson has been a popular character for 70 plus years now.
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Well, this concept is spot on for something I brought up over on the DC boards... getting him out of Gotham and from under the Batumbrella for a time. I wanted him to travel the DCU a bit, have some guest stars and really build up the connection between nightwing and the DCU. Funnily enough, he's been around nearly as long as superman, but has few connections outside the bat family and the Titans.
I thought that some guests in differing areas, such as Mr. E for the spooky, or Jay Garrick for the Flash, just introduce him to the rest of the DCU. I even included the circus some.
As for the new series, I'm loving it. The art is top notch, which scares me. They raid Nightwing whenever a "big" gun gets in trouble and Barrows is definitely droppin' tha hammer here.
Writing...knockin' it out.
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Also loving it for all the reasons you guys mention above. The writing and art are spot on and I love the effort being put into giving Dick a new premise, direction and supporting cast. In #3 we got time in Atlantic City and Chicago! That kind of fast-paced change in settings could really work for Dick and mirror his 'on the go' personality.
I'd enjoy seeing guest stars in other cities but definitely don't want to see this turn into a team-up book. Perhaps once every six issues is appropriate, otherwise it becomes a cheap sales ploy. If anything, DC should supplement Nightwing's series by having him be the lead co-star of a new Brave & Bold series and use the existing premise of the current book to justify its existence. I know I'd buy another Nightwing comic!
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So, 6 issues in and I'm still loving Nightwing. So much so, in fact that it's a contender for my favorite DCnU series. Its just clicking for me and it feels great to have Dick back being his own man, having his own adventures and being done right.
Part of the reason is artist Eddie Barrows and his inkers & colorists. The art is just explosive! Energetic, larger than life and full of emotion. Barrows has quickly moved high onto my radar.
I love the recent twists for Saiko and Raya, which has added a new level of drama. This is a real solid superhero series that for the first time since Dixon sets Nightwing apart as his own franchise again.
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I like the book, but I'm afraid Dick's about to be grounded only in Gotham again. Maybe I'm wrong. That would decrease my enjoyment of the title quite a bit.
Issue by issue, I really like the book. But when I think about things, I have a hard time imagining how Dick Grayson became who he is without the presence of Donna and Wally in his life- well, all the Teen Titans, really. But especially those two.
Other Bat characters just can't fill the void. For me, anyway.
The handling of that 'middle' generation of DC heroes is the new DCU's biggest misstep. One with ramifications equal to those made after the first Crisis. At least it isn't the LSH that'll suffer because of them. Knock on simulated wood.
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#7. My stint reading this title just might be ending soon. I really dislike the turns taken here. Haley's Circus was just a candidate pool for the Talons of the Court of Owls all these years?
Dick Grayson was next to 'graduate'?
Yuck. Actually, Yuck doesn't even come close to it.
I'm beginning to hope a merger/separation with the pre-Flashpoint DCU is going to happen in Multiversity or something. Some of the decisions made in regards to these characters I'm finding nauseating.
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I find this title perplexing. I'm unable to drop, because there's talent working here. But what made Dick Grayson Dick Grayson has been stripped from his history.
I just can't conceive of him as never having been a Teen Titan. They can say he never was as much as they want and offer up 'substitutes' fulfilling the Titans in his life, but it all adds up to noise.
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Though she hasn't been on LW in an age, Conjure Lass is the biggest proponent of this series so far on Facebook. And I wholeheartedly back that endorsement--I've been enjoying the relaunched Nightwing immensely.
The last Dick series, "Grayson" was a twist that I didn't find all that appealing--having lost his identity and now a spy--but ultimately I came to love the series as it was just so damn well written & drawn. Here, we appear to be getting that same high quality work but now applied to Dick-back-as-Nightwing, and that feels very good indeed.
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I enjoyed Grayson a lot - not necessarily the spy stuff, but the characters, the writing and the art were all top notch.
Nightwing has been nice so far. Not amazing, but well above average. I thought I was going to hate the new character but I found myself liking Raptor. They're a good pair/couple
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Yeah, I like the dynamic between Dick and Raptor a lot so far. And whoever designed Raptor deserves some praise, as he's got a really great visual.
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#2 further enhances the Raptor / Nightwing dynamic. Raptor may just be the most interesting new DC character in ages!
This book kinda had everything going for it right now. Phenomenal art, the new exciting coloring techniques of the indie scene, a terrific handle on the lead and his personality, some solid relationships (Dick / Raptor, but also Dick's relationships with Bruce and Babs) and a really interesting plot.
Well done! I can't remember a Nightwing book this good. Since Dixon? Before Devin Grayson for sure, and that was like 15 years ago or something.
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Oh dear God, they're bringing back Deathwing in April.
DEATHWING
NIGHTWING #19
Written by TIM SEELEY • Art and cover by JAVIER FERNANDEZ • Variant cover by IVAN REIS and OCLAIR ALBERT
Retailers: These issues will ship with two covers each. Please see the order form for details.
“Nightwing Must Die” part four! As Dick’s worst nightmares are realized, and the demons of his past come to destroy his loved ones, he must face his own dark reflection. He must face…the Deathwing!
On sale APRIL 19 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
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The current Bludhaven arc has been a blast for this long-time Nightwing fan. I love all the twists and turns in the story, even when a lot of them were not too shocking. I love the usage of the 90's Nightwing / Chuck Dixon villains, who walk a fine line in this story.
This was a great follow-up to the excellent Raptor opening arcs.
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This arc was so much fun. I enjoyed the movement between characters, the new Bludhaven (still corrupt, but more self-interested and spread out than the BIG CRIME BOSS of old), the new villain (just enough to interest you, not a 100% explanation of him).
The old Nightwing villains all had a chance to shine and I learned more about them here than I did in the old series. Nicely done.
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