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Superman, Action Comics, and Supergirl
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I have to say these two comics have been great so far! Probably the most interesting and well-written they've been since the mid-90's, when the Superman comics were a beacon of excellence in a sea of mediocracy.

Great story, great dialogue, great art, great Lois Lane (when the fans don't like Lois--the Superman books are not good, its a proven fact). I really like what's happening with Lex Luthor and the villains.

Now, something I want to point out to certain posters: the Ray (Ray Terrill) and Dr. Light are seen in a flashback in Action Comics, as seen here. So Star Boy and Invisible Brainiac, I hope we'll see more of these two beloved characters!

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I haven't picked up either title (well, I pick them up and thumb through as long as I can without feeling guilty for not buying them). Are the stories in the two titles independent or so intertwined that you have to buy (or thumb though) both titles?

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So far their inertwined for an eight parter (four issues each) and then they'll be seperate. At this point though, each story has really been a 'done in one' so you can read it without reading the larger story.

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I bought the issues that had Hal Jordan - it was fun seeing Hal and Clark together (and Hawkgirl to boot -- I wonder if the Hakwgirl/ GL pairing was influenced by JLU?)

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Now, something I want to point out to certain posters: the Ray (Ray Terrill) and Dr. Light are seen in a flashback in Action Comics, as seen here. So Star Boy and Invisible Brainiac, I hope we'll see more of these two beloved characters!
Here's hoping indeed! Was there anything but that one page? When's it set? 'One Year Before'?


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#517643 04/22/06 08:16 AM
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To me it looks like panel 1 is the climax of Inf Crisis 7. And the rest of the page is Week 1/2 of the missing year.

Could Ray be "Supernova"?

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when did the Ray become super-intelligent? I don't remember him as brainy when I had the issues (all of them #0 to 28)???hmmm??? anyway, nice to see him and hopefully to see him in the near future. Two Rays running around? hmmm..

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People reading this at all still?

I think this has been the best Superman story since the early 90's! I'm actually hooked on Superman comics again, which is shocking. His entire return, from the heart-breaking moment that Clark has to slip into the 'mild-mannered' role again, to Jimmy's possible death spurring him on has been great.

His words to Luthor were powerful--he had a whole year without Superman and he still wasted it. Luthor's old arguement is seen for what it is: garbage.

Lois has been perfect. As she should be, and still entertaining as ever.

Jimmy diving to shield Superman was perfect too. Despite all his flaws he still loves the big guy most of all and would do anything for him.

The other villains have been great too.

John's presence is felt throughout, and Busiek excels like he did a few years ago. B/t this and Aquaman, he's definately back to 100%. The art has been very enjoyable too.

I think the real Superman is here.

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Hey Cobie, I totally agree. This has been the best Superman Story in years. This is the real Superman.

And lets not forget the art by Pete Woods and the other guy that I can't remember his name... awesome stuff. Great storytelling and such a great dreamy quality about it.

Superman and Action have been great!

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It was [b]so good[/i], I'm just floored. I mean, I don't even like Superman!! But this-- this was great!! Geoff does it again, man. shake Absolutely amazing. The whole thing was just... just... right!

I was wary when I first picked it up but the pacing was just perfect. Hell, everything was perfect. If anybody other than Geoff had done it, I would've doubted the ending could live up to the climax or that the ends would get tied together well enough but... just... damn.

*fangirls s'more*

I might just have to read the follow-up, too!! Even though it's not Geoff... I can finally see why people like Superman. I never got it before. But this-- the thing with Luthor and the Intergang stuff tied in with the Planet and Lois-- it was great. Couldn't have been better. Really.

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His entire return, from the heart-breaking moment that Clark has to slip into the 'mild-mannered' role again
Which made no sense - the way for Clark to arouse least suspicion would be to continue to act exactly the same way.

After all, the best case scenario if he acts different when Superman's not around to when he is, even if he doesn't make people suspicious that he is Superman, he'll make people think Superman's putting the squeeze on him or he's hiding something otherwise shady. Which should be a ticket to unemployment.

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His words to Luthor were powerful--he had a whole year without Superman and he still wasted it. Luthor's old arguement is seen for what it is: garbage.
Read like a straw man to me - I don't recall Luthor ever saying anything like that.


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Sounds like a fairly good story, though. And thanks for the link to the page, Cobie smile

Here's hoping that when DC's fixed everything, Doctor Light's depowerment will be just a memory...

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[b]His entire return, from the heart-breaking moment that Clark has to slip into the 'mild-mannered' role again
Which made no sense - the way for Clark to arouse least suspicion would be to continue to act exactly the same way.

After all, the best case scenario if he acts different when Superman's not around to when he is, even if he doesn't make people suspicious that he is Superman, he'll make people think Superman's putting the squeeze on him or he's hiding something otherwise shady. Which should be a ticket to unemployment.

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His words to Luthor were powerful--he had a whole year without Superman and he still wasted it. Luthor's old arguement is seen for what it is: garbage.
Read like a straw man to me - I don't recall Luthor ever saying anything like that.[/b]
'Boot, Luthor has said that to death in the late 90's/early 00's...I'll find some examples for you.

And your arguement is pretty hard to beat for the Clark/Superman stuff, but I still thought it was a powerful moment. Not logical per se, but powerful and very in the tradition of Superman.

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All I know is that I haven't been this happy with the Superman titles in awhile. What a great conculsion and a way to get back everything we have alwyas loved about Superman.

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The Superman books have sucked since about 1997-8. And they had an awesome couple year run right before that. I'm pleased beyond belief at the change in direction.

I'd reccomend them to anyone right now (including Reboot laugh ).

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'Boot, Luthor has said that to death in the late 90's/early 00's...I'll find some examples for you.
Might explain it. The Loeb/McGuinness et al teams chased me away (I'd still like to see examples tho smile )


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Yeah, that was a *tough* era of Superman. But the Luthor motivation thing stems from there. I'll find some examples...just in my usual time frame of replying to such things smile

(I know, I know, it takes days to get a reply from me...forgive me population of LW!)

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I'm disappointed that Clark is meek again. I kinda thought they were going to take him in a the crusading reporter direction. Reading the first couple issues, I hoped that they'd riff off those old Mr. & Mrs. Superman backup stories where Clark's career kinda blossomed after Superman disappeared for a year.

Come to think of it, I'd love to see Showcase Presents: Mr. and Mrs. Superman. Its going to be years before the Superman Family reprints get up there though. frown Though I'm hoping the pure stupidity unadulterated with realism that is Superman's Girlfriend: Lois Lane will keep me amused.

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I thought the parallel between this week's 52, which basically shows Clark adopting the "crusading reporter" persona, and this week's "Superman", which deals with his adopting his "meek" persona, was kind of neat.

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#517657 09/24/06 11:23 AM
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Just read Superman #654 by Busiek and Pacheco. I think it was the first Superman comic I've read since that time he died. And before that I read some of Byrne's Superman. In other words in the last 20 years I've read a dozen Supers comics. He never did it for me.

This was good. I'm a HUGE fan of Pacheco (and Kurt) so I decided to give this a try.

Legion related small spoilers. We get introduced the Science Police. They are technology cops in Metropolis. They help Superman against Neutron. Guy made of energy in a suit. The word ERG was mentioned. Nice Legion tip of the hat.

I know Kurt and Carlos are both big fans of the Legion. Wouldn't mind them on the title personally. smile

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Also I enjoy Kurt's use of first person narrative with Clark. Does a good job of showing him do some streaming in his mind.

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Kurt and Carlos' run on Superman has been very enjoyable so far. And Kurt's story in Action Comics is a lot of fun too--in my mind, Superman post-IC is the most fun its been in nearly a decade.

Loving in Action how Kurt is using Nightwing, Firestorm and some others, while still showing why Clark is the 'big guy'.

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So we had the first Johns/Donner issue last week.

It was okay, but not anything spectacular. We'll see what happens with the kid.

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It's pure set-up. Not terribly exciting but it got the job done.

The Kents didn't look quite right to me, though. Can't put my finger on why exactly.


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Anyone still reading?

The Johns/Donner arc has gotten better than I've expected, but its moving along pretty slow.

Busiek on Superman is...okay. Actually, while the writing/pacing/art has been really great, the actual story itself just isn't grabbing me. And the Lois/Clark interaction seems very off. I can't really reccomend it.

Supergirl remains atrocious.

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