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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923391 03/12/17 10:43 AM
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I started re-reading the Nightcrawler mini a few years ago for some reason (likely, I was considering selling some books but never followed through). I agree: It's fluff. I didn't finish the re-read.

In 1985, I probably had a higher opinion of it. Kurt was my favorite X-Man precisely because he didn't take himself seriously. Despite his demonic appearance, he had high self-esteem and a fun-loving personality; he imagined himself a swashbuckler! His frequent use of German was one of the reasons I became attracted to the language, in which I eventually minored.

By 1985, I had stopped reading the X-Men because it was so gloomy and the stories never went anywhere. It was great to see Cockrum draw Nighty again, but the mini did nothing to rekindle my interest in the franchise.




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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923404 03/12/17 02:49 PM
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Thoth, upon reading in for the first time less than 2 years ago, I certainly liked it more than I probably would have back in the days of teeth-grinding, visceral intensity (which would have been between 1991, when I started reading superhero comics, and 1997, when I began a 7-year hiatus.)

He Who, fair enough. I imagine that, perhaps at that time, the NC mini felt like it was going too far to the other extreme?


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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923416 03/12/17 05:02 PM
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Could be. Looking at the covers, it seems intended for a very young audience, not the angsty, depressing teens of the 1980s. smile


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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923436 03/12/17 07:22 PM
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During the OJ trial, Johnnie Cochran...

Wait, what?

I am not on the OJ forum? Which one?

Legion?

I really need to keep these forums straight.

So this is Legion. Cockrum.

Oh...OH!

Never mind.

Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923437 03/12/17 07:57 PM
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"If the pencil fits, you must acquit."


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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923439 03/12/17 08:30 PM
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I'm pretty sure the Nightcrawler mini was inspired by the positive response to and was a quasi-sequel to the "Kitty's Fairy Tale" story.

Doing this mini and the later Excalibur series, which was generally less angsty and lighter than the other X-books, were pretty good changes of pace instead of just more of the same.


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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
Lard Lad #923505 03/13/17 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfposey
During the OJ trial, Johnnie Cochran...

Wait, what?

I am not on the OJ forum? Which one?

Legion?

I really need to keep these forums straight.

So this is Legion. Cockrum.

Oh...OH!

Never mind.


lol

Originally Posted by He Who Wanders
"If the pencil fits, you must acquit."


rotflmao

Originally Posted by Paladin
I'm pretty sure the Nightcrawler mini was inspired by the positive response to and was a quasi-sequel to the "Kitty's Fairy Tale" story.

Doing this mini and the later Excalibur series, which was generally less angsty and lighter than the other X-books, were pretty good changes of pace instead of just more of the same.


Good points well taken, Lardy. "Kitty's Fairy Tale" is one of the few issues from Claremont/Cockrum Mark 2 that I can still re-read. I mean, the Brood Saga does eventually pick up a full head of steam around the time that Carol becomes Binary, it just takes an eternity to get there IMHO.

I still wonder how the Post-Byrne UXM would have been like if Brent Anderson, who I think did a magnificent job on the Cyclops vs D'spayre done-in-one, had become the ongoing artist instead of Dave coming back.

And I consider the Excalibur prestige special (aka "The Sword is Drawn") to be Claremont's last truly great mutant story. Excalibur the ongoing didn't really work for me until Alan Davis became both artist & writer.


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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923524 03/13/17 10:21 PM
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I first joined the book during that second Cockrum run, so I will always have a special place for it in my heart, even if it's not the most dynamic period of the book, and the space stuff went on FAR too long. Into the Paul Smith run, IIRC.

Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923631 03/15/17 07:53 PM
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Yep, Cockrum did indeed jump ship before the end of the Brood Saga, so he could do the Futurians graphic novel (which I re-read last week, and I thought it held up beautifully.) Smith really seemed to turbo-charge the book both art-wise and pace-wise, although the last time I re-read the majority of the Smith UXM issues (collected many, many years ago as "From the Ashes"), I felt that the "B-Plot" (all the stuff in Japan) far outshone the "A-Plot" (the whole Madeline Pryor/Mastermind thing seems kinda sad and uninspired and creepy to me, in hindsight, and I feel like from Smith's departure on, Claremont seemed to put more oomph and imagination into New Mutants than UXM.)


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Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #923790 03/18/17 08:25 PM
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Yeah, Dave Cockrum inspired a lot of comic book love.
I started reading comic books and seeing his Legion of Superheroes and X-Men
I had no idea how influential his work was until the Legion of Superheroes hardback collections. Wow. His work is ridiculously inventive, surprisingly adult and kinetic

Re: All-COCKRUM because I DEMANDED IT!
MLLASH #953283 07/09/18 12:34 PM
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FYI, Cockrum fans:

Until this morning, when I was combing my collection for anything even tangentially related to Wally Wood, I'd forgotten that Dave Cockrum did some very good work on the short-lived Baxter Format "T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents" revival from the early-mid 1980s.

And I'm pretty sure that run has been collected in a trade, at least fairly recently (I have the original issues, as well as the three JC Productions low-budget reprint issues of the Silver Age stories. I wish I'd known back in the treasure-hunting days of the mid-1990s that all this obscure Silver and Bronze stuff I was collecting would be properly appreciated in the next 20-plus years, and that I wasn't crazy for loving it. But, really, I'm just grateful I kept most of the really rare stuff.)


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