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Towers Game
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The winner of the poll is the Towers game! So, I will create two lists of characters that will do battle with each other here in this part of Spaceopoly. CameraEyeKid

Example: Superman vs. Batman
Flash vs. Green Lantern

I will probably use a randomizer to make things more interesting. If too many battles are clearly uneven, I will rearrange them to be more fair. Would you guys have a preference for teams or fights? Otherwise, I will do a Marvel vs. DC heroes game.

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D.C. vs Marvel sounds fun! I would probably be biased though

thanks Emily. i'm excited!

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Yeah, DC vs Marvel sounds interesting.


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It was easy to create the lists, though they might be shorter than what we are used to in Idols. I decided to stick with mostly Justice League and Avengers, as those two teams line up nicely. I capped the limit of heroes to 52 each, as some are obscure and many have the same name as another character. I will add more characters if one side has ten or less in the game. We will figure out the details of choosing more characters if/when it becomes an issue. If you are unfamilar with a character, both DC and Marvel have guides available online. I find Marvel's site to be slightly more useful because they have statistics for all their characters.

DC vs. Marvel

1. Aztek vs. Falcon
2. Huntress vs. Rogue
3. Hawkgirl vs. Hercules
4. Vixen vs. Captain Mar-vel
5. Hawkman vs She-Hulk
6. Aquaman vs. Wolverine
7. Gypsy vs. White Tiger
8. Flash (Barry) vs. Stature
9. Firestorm vs Mr. Fantastic
10. Big Barda vs. Moondragon
11. Atom (Choi) vs. Genis-vel
12. Blue Devil vs. Namor
13. Fire vs. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle vs. Tigra
15. Phantom Stranger vs. Sersi
16. Manitou Raven vs. War Machine
17. Ice vs. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter vs. Black Knight
19. Shazam vs. Dr. Strange
20. Faith vs. Captain America
21. Firehawk vs. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
22. Hal Jordan vs. Hulk
23. Dr. Fate vs. Starfox
24. Lobo vs. Hellcat
25. Batman vs. Wasp
26. Steel vs. Quicksilver
27. Black Lightning vs. Iron Man
28. Cyborg vs. Hawkeye II (Bishop)
29. Elongated Man vs. Medusa
30. Black Canary vs. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman vs. Vision
32. Tasmanian Devil vs. Adamantium Man
33. Superman vs. Thor (I promise this was random)
34. Red Arrow vs. Firestar
35. Batgirl (Barbara) vs. Black Widow
36. Vibe vs. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner vs. Invisible Woman
38. Booster Gold vs. Ant-Man (Lang)
39. Blue Beetle vs. Justice
40. Geo-Force vs. Quasar
41. Green Arrow vs. Mockingbird
42. Red Tornado vs. Luke Cage
43. Lightray vs. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel vs. Silver Surfer
45. Star-Girl vs. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna vs. Mantis
47. Plastic Man vs. Swordsman
48. Aqualad II vs. Beast
49. Dr.Light II vs. Valkryie
50. Atom (Palmer) vs. Black Panther
51. Power Girl vs. Firebird
52. John Stewart vs. Triathlon



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Nice! Looks fun.

Do we vote now? when is the voting deadline?

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Emily Sivana #926224 04/18/17 01:45 AM
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also, for 29, did you mean Elongated Man instead of Elastic Man?

and I think you have a typo for 17, should be Monica Rambeau with an R

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1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Aquaman
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. War Machine
17. Monica Lambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Captain Marvel
20. Captain America
21. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
22. Hulk
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Batman
26. Steel
27. Black Lightning
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Adamantium Man
33. Superman
34. Red Arrow
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner
38. Booster Gold
39. Blue Beetle
40. Geo-Force
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Lightray
44. Mary Marvel
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Atom (Palmer)
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

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1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Blue Devil
13. Fire
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. Manitou Raven
17. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Faith
21. Firehawk
22. Hal Jordan
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Wasp
26. Steel
27. Black Lightning
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Tasmanian Devil
33. Superman
34. Firestar
35. Batgirl (Barbara)
36. Spider-Man
37. Kyle Rayner
38. Booster Gold
39. Justice
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel
45. Star-Girl
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Atom (Palmer)
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

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Emily Sivana #926281 04/18/17 04:40 PM
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Thank you for pointing out they typos, I will go fix them. Yes, please vote now. I will leave it open for a week due to the Easter holiday.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hawkgirl
4. Captain Mar-vel
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. White Tiger
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Firestorm
10. Big Barda
11. Genis-vel
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. War Machine
17. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Captain America
21. Firehawk
22. Hal Jordan
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Batman
26. Quicksilver
27. Iron Man
28. Cyborg
29. Elongated Man
30. Ms.Marvel
31. Wonder Woman
32. Adamantium Man
33. Thor
34. Firestar
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Invisible Woman
38. Booster Gold
39. Blue Beetle
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Luke Cage
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Mary Marvel
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Valkryie
50. Black Panther
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart

Some real toughies there. Firestorm v Mister Fantastic was the toughest. But Barda v Strange; Shazam v Dr Strange, Dr Light v Valkryie and Palmer v Panther were the ones I had to think through too.

As for Super vs Thor (what a draw), I'm reminded of the JLA vs Avengers mini. I thought it was odd that Supes would come out on top in that one. Back when it was a pre Crisis idea, and Supes was moving planets around, then fine. But it was post Crisis Supes. While he had been depowered and was sniffling his way through issues, Thor was being reminded that he'd outlive everyone of his teammates over in the Avengers series.

Last edited by thoth lad; 04/21/17 10:11 AM. Reason: made a decision on 49 and 50

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Emily Sivana #926292 04/18/17 08:33 PM
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Interesting... I want to see what happens!


1. Aztek
2. Rogue
3. Hercules
4. Vixen
5. She-Hulk
6. Wolverine
7. Gypsy
8. Flash (Barry)
9. Mr. Fantastic
10. Big Barda
11. Atom (Choi)
12. Namor
13. Wonder Man
14. Mr. Miracle
15. Phantom Stranger
16. Manitou Raven
17. Monica Rambeau
18. Martian Manhunter
19. Shazam
20. Faith
21. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
22. Hulk
23. Dr. Fate
24. Lobo
25. Batman
26. Steel
27. Iron Man
28. Cyborg
29. Medusa
30. Black Canary
31. Wonder Woman
32. Tasmanian Devil
33. Superman
34. Firestar
35. Black Widow
36. Spider-Man
37. Invisible Woman
38. Ant-Man (Lang)
39. Justice
40. Quasar
41. Green Arrow
42. Red Tornado
43. Scarlet Witch
44. Silver Surfer
45. Hawkeye
46. Zatanna
47. Plastic Man
48. Beast
49. Dr.Light II
50. Black Panther
51. Power Girl
52. John Stewart


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Emily Sivana #926609 04/20/17 05:06 PM
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I plan to write match commentaries on these along with the results. I loved the old (now defunct) CBUB fights and want to try to get the same level of energy.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Originally Posted by thoth lad

49. Dr.Light II vs. Valkryie
50. Atom (Palmer) vs. Black Panther


thothy, you forgot to state your picks for these two matches.

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I did say they were tough smile Thanks Ibby!


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that's why I wasn't surprised you were still thinking about them 😜

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Originally Posted by thoth lad


As for Super vs Thor (what a draw), I'm reminded of the JLA vs Avengers mini. I thought it was odd that Supes would come out on top in that one. Back when it was a pre Crisis idea, and Supes was moving planets around, then fine. But it was post Crisis Supes. While he had been depowered and was sniffling his way through issues, Thor was being reminded that he'd outlive everyone of his teammates over in the Avengers series.


I think what Busiek was saying (to the chagrin of Marvel fans on the internet, as this image will be shared in perpetuity), is that even at reduced Post-Crisis levels, Superman's power levels are still higher or comparable to Marvel's higher end.



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I remember Supes (and some other JLA members, if I remember right) making a similar observation on another page in that mini - DC heroes tended to be a bit more powerful than their Marvel counterparts.

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To the best of my knowledge, DC has never released official statistics of their characters the way Marvel has. But if we were to go by feats, yes, in general, DC super-heroes are more powerful. There is a huge chunk of characters that have what I call the "Superman powerset". Like Busiek said, that easily puts Superman in what Marvel would call the deities category. One might even argue Sky-Father level since he beat Thor.


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Then you have Supergirl, Power Girl, the entire Marvel family, Martian Manhunter...

Flash was also clearly much faster than Quicksilver. and even the Avengers were surprised at how fast Wonder Woman was.

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There was a panel late in the mini when the Wasp cheers that Captain America gets to lead the combined forces. Finally, there was something that went their way. I'm not sure that early post crisis Supes would have really stopped Thor. That was probably the last Supes I read at any length. So, his power levels probably crept back up again. I'd still fancy Thor to beat Doomsday though. smile

As for stats, the RPGs are good for that sort of thing. Even if there's not an official crossover, there's enough description in the categories so that you can move characters between systems.


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Re Cap leading the combined teams, that was a good scene where the League recognizes Cap's leadership abilities.

I also got a chuckle out of the Avengers marveling at how easy it was to coordinate with J'Onns's telepathy - then began to wonder why it felt so new to them. I mean, they have telepaths in the Marvel U too. Granted, 99% of them seem to be X-Men, but the Avengers have worked with them before... and they had Moondragon...

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Yeah, but with Moondragon you keep getting random "My telepathy is wasted on these fools" and "My costume looks so much better, but then I [iam[/I] so much better" thoughts mixed in with it.


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A lot of the amazement probably WAS that J'onn was so not full of himself...

And unlike with Charles Xavier, they didn't have to worry they would get mindwiped at the end...

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And there was also "as long as I can keep my secret love for Jean retconned out of everyone's mind, I'll..D'Oh!" with Xavier. smile


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Please get any last minutes vote by 8:00 PM tomorrow. I hope to have everything calculated by the end of the night and posted.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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