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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935132 08/01/17 10:00 PM
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(Maybe someone with Mod privileges in this forum can change the thread title to show that the game has started?)

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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Has it started? I was wondering if Emily was going to open the round formally by herself.... but then, nobody objected to the list AND it is past her intended "opening" time...

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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oops, forgot to make the edit. it's done now

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This list is huge. I will need a little more time with it.

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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Thank you for changing the thread title, I was thinking about that when I was gone. I understand this list is long and has some extremely different versions of characters (JLAU is extremely different from Main DCU and Superfriends often represents the Silver Age versions for this game). I will keep this open until Saturday night at 6:00 PM Central Time. I may begin entering votes into the spreadsheet prior to that time due to the length, however, so if you edit your post please let me know.


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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Em, thanks for putting it together
I know the list is long but some of those folks brought a smile to my face as I remembered them!

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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1s for :-

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Brainstorm
Cadre
Calculator
Cheetah
Chronos
Circe
Colonel Rumann Harjavti
Commander Blanx
Construct
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Darkseid
Demons Three
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Light
Eclipso
Extremists
Felix Faust
Floronic Man
Garn Daanuth
General
Getaway Mastermind
Gorilla Grodd
Gray Man
Headmaster Mind
Hector Hammond
Hyathis
Hyperclan
Jack O'Lantern III
Joker
Kanjor Ro
Key
Killer Frost
Lex Luthor
Libra
Lord of Time
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Merlyn
Mordru
Morgaine Le Fay
Nebula Man
Nekron
Neron
Overmaster
Paragon
Parasite
Penguin
Per Degaton
Poison Ivy
Professor Ivo
Professor Zoom
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Queen of Fables
Qwisp
Royal Flush Gang
Saturna
Scarecrow
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Simon Magus
Sinestro
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Solaris
Solomon Grundy
Sonar
Spaceman X
Spirit King
Starbreaker
Starro
Star Sapphire III
Tattooed Man
T.O. Morrow
Tornado Tyrant
Ultra-Humanite
Vandal Savage
Wally Tortollini
Wandjina
Warlock of YS
Weapons Master
Wizard
Xotar the Weapons Master


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935241 08/04/17 05:03 AM
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I like long lists smile

Emily, if you want to, I can try to teach you how to automatically "look up" the votes in Excel. That's how I do it with my Idols, and it makes it easier and reduces error.

+1 for

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Appelaxians
Atomic Skull (DCAU)
Bizarro (DCAU)
Brainiac
Brainiac 13
Brimstone
Cadre
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Cheetah (DCAU)
Cheshire
Chronos
Circe
Clayface (DCAU)
Colonel Rumann Harjavti
Construct
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter)
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Deadshot
Demons Three
Desaad
Despero
Doctor Destiny (DCAU)
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Sivana (Superfriends)
Doomsday
Eclipso
Eurocrime
Extremists
Felix Faust
Floronic Man
Galatea (JLU)
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU)
Giganta
Giganta (DCAU)
Goldface (DCAU)
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU)
Gorilla Grodd
Hector Hammond
Imperiex
Johnny Sorrow
Kalibak
Kanjor Ro
Key
Kid Amazo
Kilg%re
Killer Frost (DCAU)
Killer Frost
Lex Luthor
Lex Luthor (Super-Friends)
Livewire (DCAU)
Manchester Black
Manga Khan
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Menagerie Man (Superfriends)
Metallo (DCAU)
Metallo (Justice)
Mirror Master (Superfriends)
Mister Nebula
Mordru
Morgaine Le Fay
Neron
Overmaster
Parasite (DCAU)
Parasite
Penguin
Per Degaton
Plastique
Poison Ivy
Professor Ivo
Professor Zoom
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Queen of Fables
Qwisp
Rampage (DCAU)
Royal Flush Gang
Scarecrow
Scarecrow (Superfriends)
Scarlet Skier
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Silver Banshee (DCAU)
Sinestro
Solaris
Solomon Grundy
Sonar
Starbreaker
Starro
Steppenwolf
Star Sapphire III
Tala (DCAU)
Tattooed Man
Tender Mercy
T.O. Morrow
Tornado Tyrant
Toyman
Triumph
Toyman (DCAU)
Toyman (Superfriends)
Ultra-Humanite
Ulitmen (DCAU)
Vandal Savage
Wally Tortollini
Wandjina
Warlock of YS
Weather Wizard (Superfriends)
Weapons Master

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935304 08/04/17 06:26 PM
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Thank you, Invisible Brainiac, I would like to learn how to use Excel better.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935319 08/05/17 09:42 AM
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Same here! I had such a hard time with my Idol

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935322 08/05/17 10:12 AM
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I'll PM you guys - it will probably be easiest if I can email you an Excel file so you have the formulas ready smile

You will need VLOOKUP, and LEFT/MID/RIGHT (this last batch of formulas trims the text so you can match the lists smile

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935332 08/05/17 01:55 PM
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I am going to delay the vote counts by at least 24 hours then so I can learn these new functions. Hopefully more people will also vote so I don't have to break ties. I will vote next round to ensure this won't be a problem in the future.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935348 08/06/17 02:19 AM
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emailed you both, Emily and Myg smile hope my sheet and explanations are clear!

thanks again for running this Emily. I realize now how much i missed Idol games

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935386 08/06/17 04:39 PM
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So, we have interesting results. I feel like if I put this in a graph it would be a bell curve. We might have time for a couple of Wild Card Rounds, as we have eliminated 29 characters. That is about 1/7th of the total number of characters.


The Results of Round One
Amazo 4
Amos Fortune 4
Appelaxians 4
Cadre 4
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 4
Construct 4
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 4
Demons Three 4
Despero 4
Doctor Destiny 4
Eclipso 4
Extremists 4
Felix Faust 4
Floronic Man 4
Hector Hammond 4
Kanjor Ro 4
Key 4
Manhunters 4
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 4
Overmaster 4
Professor Ivo 4
Queen Bee 4
Queen Bee II 4
Royal Flush Gang 4
Shadow Thief 4
Shaggy Man 4
Starbreaker 4
Starro 4
Star Sapphire III 4
Tattooed Man 4
T.O. Morrow 4
Tornado Tyrant 4
Warlock of YS 4
Weapons Master 4

Anton Allegro 3
Brainstorm 3
Cheetah 3
Chronos 3
Circe 3
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 3
Darkseid 3
Doctor Light 3
Eurocrime 3
Gorilla Grodd 3
Gray Man 3
Hyathis 3
Killer Frost 3
Lex Luthor 3
Libra 3
Lord of Time 3
Mordru 3
Nebula Man 3
Neron 3
Parasite 3
Penguin 3
Poison Ivy 3
Queen of Fables 3
Qwisp 3
Scarecrow 3
Sinestro 3
Solaris 3
Solomon Grundy 3
Sonar 3
Spirit King 3
Ultra-Humanite 3
Vandal Savage 3
Wandjina 3
Wizard 3
Xotar the Weapons Master 3

Anti-Matter Man 2
Aryan Brigade 2
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 2
Bizarro (DCAU) 2
Brainiac 2
Brimstone 2
Calculator 2
Captain Cold 2
Catwoman 2
Cheetah (DCAU) 2
Clayface (DCAU) 2
Commander Blanx 2
Conglomerate 2
Deadshot 2
Desaad 2
Doctor Sivana (Superfriends) 2
Doomsday 2
Electocutioner 2
Galatea (JLU) 2
Garn Daanuth 2
General 2
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 2
Getaway Mastermind 2
Giganta 2
Giganta (DCAU) 2
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 2
Hyperclan 2
Jack O'Lantern III 2
Joker 2
Kalibak 2
Kilg%re 2
Killer Frost (DCAU) 2
Lex Luthor (Super-Friends) 2
Manchester Black 2
Manga Khan 2
Merlyn 2
Metallo (DCAU) 2
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 2
Morgaine Le Fay 2
Nekron 2
Paragon 2
Per Degaton 2
Plastique 2
Professor Zoom 2
Prometheus 2
Saturna 2
Scarecrow (Superfriends) 2
Scarlet Skier 2
Silver Banshee (DCAU) 2
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 2
Spaceman X 2
Steppenwolf 2
Toyman 2
Triumph 2
Toyman (Superfriends) 2
Wally Tortollini 2
Weather Wizard (Superfriends) 2

Agamemno 1
Aquarius 1
Asmodel 1
Bizarro (Superfriends) 1
Black Manta 1
Blockbuster 1
Brainiac 13 1
Brainiac (Superfriends) 1
Cheetah (Super-Friends) 1
Cheshire 1
Crowbar (DCAU) 1
Cyborg Superman 1
Deathstroke 1
Devilray (DCAU Black Manta) 1
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 1
Doctor Impossible 1
Electocutioner (DCAU) 1
Evil Star (DCAU) 1
Fastball (DCAU) 1
Fernus 1
Firefly 1
Gentleman Ghost (Superfriends) 1
Goldface (DCAU) 1
Headmaster Mind 1
Imperiex 1
Johnny Sorrow 1
Julian September 1
KGBeast (DCAU) 1
Kid Amazo 1
Kromm 1
Livewire (DCAU) 1
Malefic 1
Menagerie Man (Superfriends) 1
Metallo (Justice) 1
Mister Nebula 1
Parasite (DCAU) 1
Rama Khan 1
Rampage (DCAU) 1
Riddler 1
Sayyar 1
Siren 1
Superboy-Prime 1
Tala (DCAU) 1
Tender Mercy 1
Troll King 1
Toyman (DCAU) 1
Ulitmen (DCAU) 1


These are eliminated this round
Advanced Man 0
Alaric 0
Anansi 0
Antithesis 0
Black Adam (Justice) 0
Chair 0
Crucifer 0
David Graves 0
Devastator 0
Devilfish 0
Doctor Cyber (DCAU) 0 <-- Forgive me if my spelling error contributed in some way
Doctor Nataz (Superfriends) 0
Hellgrammite (DCAU) 0 <-- His existence and obscurity baffled me, which is why he made the list.
Hunter 0
King Kull 0
Know Man 0
Konvikt 0
Luck League 0
Magog (Kingdom Come) 0 <-- Kind of surprised nobody threw in a vote for being the villain of a memorable Elseworlds story
Marshal 0
Millenium Giants 0
Nick Necro 0
Omega Man 0
Packrat 0
Peraxxus 0
Plura 0
Red King 0
Simon Magus 0
Spore 0


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935406 08/07/17 01:26 AM
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About Magog, I think his JSA counterpart turned me off him.

mostly classic villains at the top of this round, but nice to see Colonel Harvarti (i know i spelled wrong but i'm in a hurry) and Queen Bee II

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935480 08/07/17 04:25 PM
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I agree about Magog - the JSA stories were abysmal and really turned the character from "meh" (in the way that I find all war god cyborgs - a little too Image-y circa 1990s) to UGH

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935535 08/08/17 01:43 PM
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The "New" Magog in JSA wasn't great, but he did have one good issue which was as a guest star in the SHEILD series, one of the better Impact/Red Circle attempts by DC. It made for a good soldier & marine butting heads partnership/rivalry.

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Emily Sivana #935579 08/08/17 08:24 PM
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I feel like we had more players in some of the other games. Other than Set (who I found via the shout box), who normally plays that did not post in the first round? I am thinking of sending a PM before starting the next round.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935580 08/08/17 09:13 PM
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I would recommend opening each round as soon as possible after a previous one has finished, and then keeping them open longer if necessary to attract more voters. Longer rounds = more opportunities for someone to notice the game and vote.

PMs or Shout Box comments always help too.

Re: Magog -

It's been ages since I read those JSA comics, but I think I remember thinking he was... OK. blush

I seem to remember thinking this was the first version of the character that I ever understood; the first 3 or 4 versions hadn't received much exploration of their motivations (as far as I was aware), whereas David was given some believable and sympathetic motivations for going down the darker path wasn't he?

I never read his solo series or the issues after Johns left though so I'm not sure if he got worse after then?

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935592 08/09/17 03:16 AM
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As Blacula suggested, I have found PMs to be very useful. I usually get 3-5 players who only find out about Idol because of PMs, sometimes even more. Facebook is also an option for those who do not check the Boards often.

once people are aware of the game, I found that they usually voted within the first 24 hours of a new Round. 48 is my usual round length though just to give a reasonable amount of time. 72 hours is probably okay too.

re Magog

I remember Magog being OK in JSA proper. He started going downhill in All-Stars, and he was such a horrible character - without nuance - by the time he left that I didn't even care when he died.

His evolution? Well-meaning in JSA, began to question the proactive stance of the team, eventually led to half the team splitting and forming the All-Stars (at that point Magog was still a balanced character IMO). In All-Stars he became more aggressive and ends-justify-the-means. finally, he blasted Cyclone in the middle of a prison riot, and when Power Girl called hin out he just said, "she came up on my blind side". That was such a bad moment that it ruined him completely, changing him from a multi-dimensional character to a caricature that we have seen so often before.

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
Emily Sivana #935600 08/09/17 06:08 AM
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It's also summer (in the Northern Hemisphere) and people have vacations and are outside doing stuff more. I missed the first round because I was away at a campsite for the whole duration.

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Emily Sivana #935617 08/09/17 04:40 PM
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Without further ado, I will start the next round. This is another 1 or 0 round. After this round, I will copy the basic rules from the Bat-villain Idol and we will begin ranking.

By the way, I have been thinking of an Idol for the minor villains or characters with small rogue rosters (Superman and Wonder Woman being the most obvious).

Agamemno
Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Aquarius
Aryan Brigade
Asmodel
Atomic Skull (DCAU)
Bizarro (DCAU)
Bizarro (Superfriends)
Black Manta
Blockbuster
Brainiac
Brainiac (Superfriends)
Brainiac 13
Brainstorm
Brimstone
Cadre
Calculator
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Cheetah (DCAU)
Cheetah (Super-Friends)
Cheshire
Chronos
Circe
Clayface (DCAU)
Colonel Rumann Harjavti
Commander Blanx
Conglomerate
Construct
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter)
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Crowbar (DCAU)
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Deadshot
Deathstroke
Demons Three
Desaad
Despero
Devilray (DCAU Black Manta)
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Destiny (DCAU)
Doctor Impossible
Doctor Light
Doctor Sivana (Superfriends)
Doomsday
Eclipso
Electocutioner
Electocutioner (DCAU)
Eurocrime
Evil Star (DCAU)
Extremists
Fastball (DCAU)
Felix Faust
Fernus
Firefly
Floronic Man
Galatea (JLU)
Garn Daanuth
General
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU)
Gentleman Ghost (Superfriends)
Getaway Mastermind
Giganta
Giganta (DCAU)
Goldface (DCAU)
Gorilla Grodd
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU)
Gray Man
Headmaster Mind
Hector Hammond
Hyathis
Hyperclan
Imperiex
Jack O'Lantern III
Johnny Sorrow
Joker
Julian September
Kalibak
Kanjor Ro
Key
KGBeast (DCAU)
Kid Amazo
Kilg%re
Killer Frost
Killer Frost (DCAU)
Kromm
Lex Luthor
Lex Luthor (Super-Friends)
Libra
Livewire (DCAU)
Lord of Time
Malefic
Manchester Black
Manga Khan
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Menagerie Man (Superfriends)
Merlyn
Metallo (DCAU)
Metallo (Justice)
Mirror Master (Superfriends)
Mister Nebula
Mordru
Morgaine Le Fay
Nebula Man
Nekron
Neron
Overmaster
Paragon
Parasite
Parasite (DCAU)
Penguin
Per Degaton
Plastique
Poison Ivy
Professor Ivo
Professor Zoom
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Queen of Fables
Qwisp
Rama Khan
Rampage (DCAU)
Riddler
Royal Flush Gang
Saturna
Sayyar
Scarecrow
Scarecrow (Superfriends)
Scarlet Skier
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Silver Banshee (DCAU)
Sinestro
Siren
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Solaris
Solomon Grundy
Sonar
Spaceman X
Spirit King
Star Sapphire III
Starbreaker
Starro
Steppenwolf
Superboy-Prime
T.O. Morrow
Tala (DCAU)
Tattooed Man
Tender Mercy
Tornado Tyrant
Toyman
Toyman (DCAU)
Toyman (Superfriends)
Triumph
Troll King
Ulitmen (DCAU)
Ultra-Humanite
Vandal Savage
Wally Tortollini
Wandjina
Warlock of YS
Weapons Master
Weather Wizard (Superfriends)
Wizard
Xotar the Weapons Master


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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1s for:-

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Aquarius
Black Manta
Blockbuster
Brainstorm
Brimstone
Cadre
Calculator
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Chronos
Circe
Colonel Rumann Harjavti
Conglomerate
Construct
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Darkseid
Demons Three
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Light
Eclipso
Extremists
Felix Faust
Floronic Man
General
Getaway Mastermind
Gorilla Grodd
Gray Man
Headmaster Mind
Hector Hammond
Hyathis
Hyperclan
Jack O'Lantern III
Joker
Kanjor Ro
Key
Killer Frost
Lex Luthor
Libra
Lord of Time
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Merlyn
Mordru
Morgaine Le Fay
Nebula Man
Nekron
Overmaster
Paragon
Per Degaton
Poison Ivy
Professor Ivo
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Royal Flush Gang
Saturna
Shaggy Man
Sinestro
Siren
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Solaris
Solomon Grundy
Sonar
Spaceman X
Spirit King
Star Sapphire III
Starbreaker
Starro
T.O. Morrow
Tattooed Man
Tornado Tyrant
Ultra-Humanite
Vandal Savage
Wally Tortollini
Warlock of YS
Weapons Master
Wizard
Xotar the Weapons Master


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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1 point for the following. 0 for the rest.

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Aquarius
Aryan Brigade
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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
Invisible Brainiac #935637 08/09/17 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
re Magog

I remember Magog being OK in JSA proper. He started going downhill in All-Stars, and he was such a horrible character - without nuance - by the time he left that I didn't even care when he died.

His evolution? Well-meaning in JSA, began to question the proactive stance of the team, eventually led to half the team splitting and forming the All-Stars (at that point Magog was still a balanced character IMO). In All-Stars he became more aggressive and ends-justify-the-means. finally, he blasted Cyclone in the middle of a prison riot, and when Power Girl called hin out he just said, "she came up on my blind side". That was such a bad moment that it ruined him completely, changing him from a multi-dimensional character to a caricature that we have seen so often before.


Yeesh. Sounds like I got out of that series at the right time. What a character assassination.

To me, the JSA seems like it would be one of the easiest teams/properties to write/manage, but Willingham proved that he had no idea what he was doing with them, and these writers sound even worse.

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