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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937596 09/16/17 03:59 PM
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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 132
Anti-Matter Man 108
Anton Allegro 96
Appelaxians 144
Aquarius 84
Aryan Brigade 12
Asmodel 60
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 12
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Black Manta 12
Blockbuster 48
Brainiac (Superfriends) 12
Brainiac 60
Brainstorm 96
Brimstone 72
Cadre 96
Calculator 48
Captain Cold 60
Catwoman 48
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Cheetah 84
Cheshire 12
Chronos 72
Circe 72
Clayface (DCAU) 12
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 72
Conglomerate 60
Construct 120
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 24
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 132
Darkseid 96
Deathstroke 36
Demons Three 132
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Destiny 132
Doctor Impossible 12
Doctor Light 132
Doomsday 12
Eclipso 72
Eurocrime 12
Extremists 60
Felix Faust 132
Floronic Man 120
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 84
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta (DCAU) 12
Giganta 12
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 12
Gorilla Grodd 72
Gray Man 96
Hector Hammond 108
Hyathis 84
Hyperclan 84
Joker 60
Kalibak 36
Kanjor Ro 132
Key 144
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost (DCAU) 12
Killer Frost 72
Lex Luthor 96
Libra 60
Livewire (DCAU) 12
Lord of Time 132
Manchester Black 12
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 84
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 96
Merlyn 72
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 12
Mordru 84
Morgaine Le Fay 72
Nebula Man 12
Neron 12
Paragon 120
Parasite (DCAU) 12
Parasite 72
Per Degaton 132
Plastique 36
Professor Ivo 144
Professor Zoom 48
Prometheus 60
Queen Bee 108
Queen Bee II 96
Royal Flush Gang 120
Shadow Thief 72
Shaggy Man 108
Sinestro 72
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 120
Solaris 108
Solomon Grundy 72
Star Sapphire III 72
Starbreaker 72
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 132
Tattooed Man 96
Tornado Tyrant 108
Toyman (DCAU) 12
Toyman (Superfriends) 12
Triumph 24
Ulitmen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 132
Vandal Savage 84
Wandjina 72
Warlock of YS 60
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 120
Xotar the Weapons Master 120


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937613 09/17/17 08:32 AM
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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 144
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 12
Appelaxians 12
Aquarius 12
Aryan Brigade 12
Asmodel 144
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 12
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Black Manta 12
Blockbuster 144
Brainiac 12
Brainiac (Superfriends) 12
Brainstorm 12
Brimstone 144
Cadre 12
Calculator 12
Captain Cold 12
Catwoman 12
Cheetah 144
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Cheshire 12
Chronos 144
Circe 144
Clayface (DCAU) 12
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 12
Conglomerate 12
Construct 12
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 144
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Deathstroke 12
Demons Three 144
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Impossible 12
Doctor Light 12
Doomsday 144
Eclipso 144
Eurocrime 12
Extremists 12
Felix Faust 144
Floronic Man 144
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 144
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta 144
Giganta (DCAU) 12
Gorilla Grodd 144
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 12
Gray Man 12
Hector Hammond 12
Hyathis 12
Hyperclan 12
Joker 12
Kalibak 12
Kanjor Ro 144
Key 144
Kid Amazo 144
Killer Frost 12
Killer Frost (DCAU) 12
Lex Luthor 144
Libra 144
Livewire (DCAU) 12
Lord of Time 144
Manchester Black 12
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 144
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 144
Merlyn 12
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 12
Mordru 12
Morgaine Le Fay 12
Nebula Man 144
Neron 144
Paragon 12
Parasite 12
Parasite (DCAU) 12
Per Degaton 144
Plastique 12
Professor Ivo 144
Professor Zoom 12
Prometheus 144
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 12
Royal Flush Gang 144
Shadow Thief 12
Shaggy Man 144
Sinestro 12
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 12
Solaris 144
Solomon Grundy 144
Star Sapphire III 12
Starbreaker 12
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 12
Tornado Tyrant 12
Toyman (DCAU) 12
Toyman (Superfriends) 12
Triumph 12
Ulitmen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 12
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 12
Warlock of YS 12
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 12
Xotar the Weapons Master 12

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937639 09/17/17 07:27 PM
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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 144
Anti-Matter Man 144
Anton Allegro 144
Appelaxians 144
Aquarius 144
Aryan Brigade 144
Asmodel 12
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 12
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Black Manta 12
Blockbuster 12
Brainiac 12
Brainiac (Superfriends) 12
Brainstorm 144
Brimstone 12
Cadre 144
Calculator 12
Captain Cold 12
Catwoman 12
Cheetah 12
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Cheshire 12
Chronos 12
Circe 12
Clayface (DCAU) 12
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 12
Conglomerate 12
Construct 144
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 12
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Deathstroke 12
Demons Three 144
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Impossible 12
Doctor Light 144
Doomsday 12
Eclipso 12
Eurocrime 144
Extremists 12
Felix Faust 144
Floronic Man 12
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 12
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta 12
Giganta (DCAU) 12
Gorilla Grodd 12
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 12
Gray Man 12
Hector Hammond 144
Hyathis 144
Hyperclan 12
Joker 12
Kalibak 12
Kanjor Ro 144
Key 144
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost 12
Killer Frost (DCAU) 12
Lex Luthor 12
Libra 144
Livewire (DCAU) 12
Lord of Time 144
Manchester Black 12
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 144
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 144
Merlyn 144
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 12
Mordru 12
Morgaine Le Fay 12
Nebula Man 144
Neron 12
Paragon 144
Parasite 12
Parasite (DCAU) 12
Per Degaton 12
Plastique 12
Professor Ivo 144
Professor Zoom 12
Prometheus 12
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 144
Royal Flush Gang 144
Shadow Thief 12
Shaggy Man 144
Sinestro 12
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 144
Solaris 12
Solomon Grundy 12
Star Sapphire III 12
Starbreaker 144
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 12
Tornado Tyrant 144
Toyman (DCAU) 12
Toyman (Superfriends) 12
Triumph 12
Ultimen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 12
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 144
Warlock of YS 144
Weapons Master 144
Wizard 144
Xotar the Weapons Master 144

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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Amazo 12
Amos Fortune 12
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 12
Appelaxians 12
Aquarius 12
Aryan Brigade 12
Asmodel 12
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 144
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Black Manta 144
Blockbuster 12
Brainiac 12
Brainiac (Superfriends) 12
Brainstorm 144
Brimstone 12
Cadre 12
Calculator 12
Captain Cold 144
Catwoman 12
Cheetah 144
Cheetah (DCAU) 144
Cheshire 144
Chronos 144
Circe 12
Clayface (DCAU) 144
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 12
Conglomerate 12
Construct 12
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 144
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Deathstroke 12
Demons Three 12
Despero 12
Doctor Destiny 12
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Impossible 144
Doctor Light 12
Doomsday 12
Eclipso 12
Eurocrime 12
Extremists 12
Felix Faust 144
Floronic Man 144
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 12
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 144
Giganta 144
Giganta (DCAU) 144
Gorilla Grodd 144
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 144
Gray Man 12
Hector Hammond 12
Hyathis 12
Hyperclan 12
Joker 12
Kalibak 144
Kanjor Ro 12
Key 12
Kid Amazo 144
Killer Frost 144
Killer Frost (DCAU) 144
Lex Luthor 12
Libra 12
Livewire (DCAU) 144
Lord of Time 12
Manchester Black 12
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 144
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 144
Merlyn 12
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 144
Mordru 12
Morgaine Le Fay 12
Nebula Man 12
Neron 12
Paragon 12
Parasite 144
Parasite (DCAU) 144
Per Degaton 12
Plastique 144
Professor Ivo 144
Professor Zoom 12
Prometheus 12
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 144
Royal Flush Gang 12
Shadow Thief 144
Shaggy Man 12
Sinestro 12
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 12
Solaris 12
Solomon Grundy 12
Star Sapphire III 12
Starbreaker 12
Starro 12
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 144
Tornado Tyrant 144
Toyman (DCAU) 12
Toyman (Superfriends) 12
Triumph 12
Ultimen (DCAU) 144
Ultra-Humanite 12
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 12
Warlock of YS 12
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 144
Xotar the Weapons Master 12


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937656 09/18/17 09:17 AM
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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 12
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 12
Appelaxians 12
Aquarius 12
Aryan Brigade 12
Asmodel 12
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 144
Bizarro (DCAU) 144
Black Manta 12
Blockbuster 12
Brainiac 144
Brainiac (Superfriends) 12
Brainstorm 12
Brimstone 144
Cadre 12
Calculator 12
Captain Cold 12
Catwoman 144
Cheetah 12
Cheetah (DCAU) 144
Cheshire 12
Chronos 12
Circe 12
Clayface (DCAU) 12
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 144
Conglomerate 12
Construct 12
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 12
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Deathstroke 12
Demons Three 144
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 14
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 144
Doctor Impossible 12
Doctor Light 12
Doomsday 12
Eclipso 12
Eurocrime 144
Extremists 12
Felix Faust 12
Floronic Man 12
Galatea (JLU) 144
General 12
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta 144
Giganta (DCAU) 144
Gorilla Grodd 144
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 144
Gray Man 12
Hector Hammond 12
Hyathis 12
Hyperclan 12
Joker 12
Kalibak 12
Kanjor Ro 12
Key 12
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost 144
Killer Frost (DCAU) 144
Lex Luthor 12
Libra 12
Livewire (DCAU) 12
Lord of Time 12
Manchester Black 144
Manga Khan 144
Manhunters 12
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 12
Merlyn 12
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 12
Mordru 144
Morgaine Le Fay 144
Nebula Man 12
Neron 144
Paragon 12
Parasite 12
Parasite (DCAU) 12
Per Degaton 12
Plastique 144
Professor Ivo 12
Professor Zoom 12
Prometheus 12
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 144
Royal Flush Gang 144
Shadow Thief 12
Shaggy Man 12
Sinestro 12
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 12
Solaris 12
Solomon Grundy 144
Star Sapphire III 144
Starbreaker 144
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 12
Tattooed Man 12
Tornado Tyrant 12
Toyman (DCAU) 144
Toyman (Superfriends) 12
Triumph 144
Ulitmen (DCAU) 144
Ultra-Humanite 144
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 144
Warlock of YS 12
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 12
Xotar the Weapons Master 12

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937700 09/19/17 06:23 AM
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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 120
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 84
Appelaxians 84
Aquarius 12
Aryan Brigade 12
Asmodel 84
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 48
Bizarro (DCAU) 72
Black Manta 48
Blockbuster 84
Brainiac 96
Brainiac (Superfriends) 96
Brainstorm 120
Brimstone 48
Cadre 108
Calculator 84
Captain Cold 84
Catwoman 48
Cheetah 84
Cheetah (DCAU) 108
Cheshire 48
Chronos 48
Circe 84
Clayface (DCAU) 48
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 120
Conglomerate 60
Construct 120
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 108
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 120
Darkseid 120
Deathstroke 84
Demons Three 120
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 120
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 48
Doctor Impossible 48
Doctor Light 84
Doomsday 48
Eclipso 84
Eurocrime 48
Extremists 36
Felix Faust 120
Floronic Man 84
Galatea (JLU) 96
General 108
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 72
Giganta 84
Giganta (DCAU) 96
Gorilla Grodd 84
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 96
Gray Man 12
Hector Hammond 84
Hyathis 120
Hyperclan 120
Joker 84
Kalibak 36
Kanjor Ro 120
Key 144
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost 36
Killer Frost (DCAU) 48
Lex Luthor 96
Libra 24
Livewire (DCAU) 12
Lord of Time 144
Manchester Black 12
Manga Khan 120
Manhunters 120
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 24
Merlyn 24
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 36
Mordru 48
Morgaine Le Fay 48
Nebula Man 60
Neron 60
Paragon 12
Parasite 36
Parasite (DCAU) 48
Per Degaton 84
Plastique 60
Professor Ivo 144
Professor Zoom 24
Prometheus 108
Queen Bee 108
Queen Bee II 120
Royal Flush Gang 120
Shadow Thief 84
Shaggy Man 108
Sinestro 84
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 12
Solaris 108
Solomon Grundy 48
Star Sapphire III 84
Starbreaker 108
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 96
Tornado Tyrant 108
Toyman (DCAU) 48
Toyman (Superfriends) 96
Triumph 12
Ulitmen (DCAU) 48
Ultra-Humanite 96
Vandal Savage 120
Wandjina 48
Warlock of YS 48
Weapons Master 108
Wizard 84
Xotar the Weapons Master 108

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937772 09/20/17 04:47 PM
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I will end the round in 24 hours and post the results tomorrow night. I will sit out this round because I am exhausted from work related to the recent hurricanes.

Edit: Here are the results. The winner of this round is the Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) . I have decided to eliminate every character with less than 29% this round. Do not worry though, as I anticipate the Wild Card Round will be shortly. We will be eliminating characters at a higher rate if more of them cluster towards the end of the list.

Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 828 100%
Queen Bee 792 96%
Starro 765 92%
Amazo 732 88%
Despero 732 88%
Professor Ivo 732 88%
Demons Three 696 84%
Felix Faust 696 84%
Royal Flush Gang 684 83%
Queen Bee II 660 80%

Manhunters 648 78%
Gorilla Grodd 600 72%
Key 600 72%
Lord of Time 588 71%
T.O. Morrow 588 71%
Doctor Destiny 576 70%
Amos Fortune 564 68%
Kanjor Ro 564 68%
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 564 68%
Giganta 540 65%
Brainstorm 528 64%
Shaggy Man 528 64%
Floronic Man 516 62%
Wizard 516 62%
Cheetah (DCAU) 504 61%
Tattooed Man 504 61%

Starbreaker 492 59%
Star Sapphire III 468 57%
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 444 54%
Brimstone 432 52%
Chronos 432 52%
Solomon Grundy 432 52%
Wandjina 432 52%
Construct 420 51%
Giganta (DCAU) 420 51%
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 420 51%
Killer Frost 420 51%

Appelaxians 408 49%
Cheetah 408 49%
Plastique 408 49%
Ultra-Humanite 408 49%
Xotar the Weapons Master 408 49%
Doctor Light 396 47%
Libra 396 47%
Per Degaton 396 47%
Solaris 396 47%
Tornado Tyrant 396 47%
Cadre 384 46%
Hyathis 384 46%
Nebula Man 384 46%
Neron 384 46%
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 372 45%
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 372 45%
Eurocrime 372 45%
General 372 45%
Hector Hammond 372 45%
Killer Frost (DCAU) 372 45%
Lex Luthor 372 45%
Ulitmen (DCAU) 372 45%
Anton Allegro 360 43%
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 360 43%
Prometheus 348 42%
Brainiac 336 41%
Circe 336 41%
Eclipso 336 41%
Kid Amazo 336 41%
Shadow Thief 336 41%

Asmodel 324 39%
Captain Cold 324 39%
Blockbuster 312 38%
Manga Khan 312 38%
Mordru 312 38%
Paragon 312 38%
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 312 38%
Anti-Matter Man 300 36%
Morgaine Le Fay 300 36%
Weapons Master 300 36%

Galatea (JLU) 288 34%
Parasite 288 34%
Warlock of YS 288 34%
Aquarius 276 33%
Catwoman 276 33%
Merlyn 276 33%
Bizarro (DCAU) 264 32%
Darkseid 264 32%
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 264 32%
Hyperclan 252 30%
Kalibak 252 30%
Vandal Savage 252 30%


Eliminated This Round- So many decent characters bid farewell this round. Maybe some will return soon?
Black Manta 240 29%
Cheshire 240 29%
Clayface (DCAU) 240 29%
Doctor Impossible 240 29%
Doomsday 240 29%
Parasite (DCAU) 240 29%
Toyman (DCAU) 240 29%
Mirror Master (Superfriends) 230 28%
Triumph 216 26%
Aryan Brigade 204 25%
Livewire (DCAU) 204 25%
Manchester Black 204 25%
Sinestro 204 25%
Joker 192 23%
Calculator 180 22%
Conglomerate 168 20%
Deathstroke 168 20%
Brainiac (Superfriends) 156 19%
Gray Man 156 19%
Toyman (Superfriends) 156 19%
Professor Zoom 150 18%
Extremists 144 17%


Last edited by Emily Sivana; 09/21/17 08:36 PM. Reason: Added Results

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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937826 09/22/17 06:11 AM
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Interesting that the DCAU outlasts the Superfriends versions, who originated the "LOD" moniker in the first place. Still 89 left, so lots of characters to cull.

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937833 09/22/17 08:56 AM
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Having never seen Superfriends or DCAU, these are always going to get few points from me.

On the other hand, I remember the Gray Man as a powerful early JL villian, and one at the center of a later big JLA/JLE crossover. The Extremists (the first incarnation of them anyway) were around in the JLE days too. I also thoguth the Joker would last a bit longer.


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937873 09/23/17 01:02 PM
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The next round starts now. I noticed a slight increase in eliminated characters, so we will keep the scale the same for now. This is taking longer than other games because there are lots of characters in the middle of the list.

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Aquarius
Asmodel
Atomic Skull (DCAU)
Bizarro (DCAU)
Blockbuster
Brainiac
Brainstorm
Brimstone
Cadre
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Cheetah (DCAU)
Chronos
Circe
Colonel Rumann Harjavti
Construct
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter)
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Darkseid
Demons Three
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Destiny (DCAU)
Doctor Light
Eclipso
Eurocrime
Felix Faust
Floronic Man
Galatea (JLU)
General
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU)
Giganta
Giganta (DCAU)
Gorilla Grodd
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU)
Hector Hammond
Hyathis
Hyperclan
Kalibak
Kanjor Ro
Key
Kid Amazo
Killer Frost
Killer Frost (DCAU)
Lex Luthor
Libra
Lord of Time
Manga Khan
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Merlyn
Mordru
Morgaine Le Fay
Nebula Man
Neron
Paragon
Parasite
Per Degaton
Plastique
Professor Ivo
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Royal Flush Gang
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Solaris
Solomon Grundy
Star Sapphire III
Starbreaker
Starro
T.O. Morrow
Tattooed Man
Tornado Tyrant
Ulitmen (DCAU)
Ultra-Humanite
Vandal Savage
Wandjina
Warlock of YS
Weapons Master
Wizard
Xotar the Weapons Master


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #937876 09/23/17 03:05 PM
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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 132
Anti-Matter Man 108
Anton Allegro 96
Appelaxians 144
Aquarius 84
Asmodel 60
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 12
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Blockbuster 48
Brainiac 60
Brainstorm 96
Brimstone 72
Cadre 96
Captain Cold 60
Catwoman 48
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Cheetah 84
Chronos 72
Circe 72
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 72
Construct 120
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 24
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 132
Darkseid 96
Demons Three 132
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Destiny 132
Doctor Light 132
Eclipso 72
Eurocrime 12
Felix Faust 132
Floronic Man 120
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 84
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta (DCAU) 12
Giganta 12
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 12
Gorilla Grodd 72
Hector Hammond 108
Hyathis 84
Hyperclan 84
Kalibak 36
Kanjor Ro 132
Key 144
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost (DCAU) 12
Killer Frost 72
Lex Luthor 96
Libra 60
Lord of Time 132
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 84
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 96
Merlyn 72
Mordru 84
Morgaine Le Fay 72
Nebula Man 12
Neron 12
Paragon 120
Parasite 72
Per Degaton 132
Plastique 36
Professor Ivo 144
Prometheus 60
Queen Bee 108
Queen Bee II 96
Royal Flush Gang 120
Shadow Thief 72
Shaggy Man 108
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 120
Solaris 108
Solomon Grundy 72
Star Sapphire III 72
Starbreaker 72
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 132
Tattooed Man 96
Tornado Tyrant 108
Ulitmen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 132
Vandal Savage 84
Wandjina 72
Warlock of YS 60
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 120
Xotar the Weapons Master 120


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Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 144
Anti-Matter Man 144
Anton Allegro 144
Appelaxians 144
Aquarius 144
Asmodel 12
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 12
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Blockbuster 144
Brainiac 12
Brainstorm 144
Brimstone 12
Cadre 144
Captain Cold 12
Catwoman 12
Cheetah 12
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Chronos 144
Circe 12
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 144
Construct 144
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 12
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Demons Three 144
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Light 144
Eclipso 12
Eurocrime 144
Felix Faust 144
Floronic Man 144
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 12
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta 12
Giganta (DCAU) 12
Gorilla Grodd 12
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 12
Hector Hammond 144
Hyathis144
Hyperclan 12
Kalibak 12
Kanjor Ro 144
Key 144
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost 12
Killer Frost (DCAU) 12
Lex Luthor 12
Libra 144
Lord of Time 144
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 144
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 144
Merlyn 144
Mordru 12
Morgaine Le Fay 12
Nebula Man 144
Neron 12
Paragon 144
Parasite 12
Per Degaton 12
Plastique 12
Professor Ivo 144
Prometheus 12
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 144
Royal Flush Gang 144
Shadow Thief 144
Shaggy Man 144
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 144
Solaris 12
Solomon Grundy 12
Star Sapphire III 12
Starbreaker 144
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 144
Tornado Tyrant 144
Ulitmen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 12
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 144
Warlock of YS 144
Weapons Master 144
Wizard 144
Xotar the Weapons Master 144

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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I don't think the scale makes too much difference right now because most voters are min/maxing their votes, presumably until the list size shrinks down a bit.

Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 144
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 12
Appelaxians 12
Aquarius 12
Asmodel 144
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 12
Bizarro (DCAU) 12
Blockbuster 144
Brainiac 12
Brainstorm 12
Brimstone 144
Cadre 12
Captain Cold 12
Catwoman 12
Cheetah 144
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Chronos 144
Circe 144
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 12
Construct 12
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 144
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Demons Three 144
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Light 12
Eclipso 144
Eurocrime 12
Felix Faust 144
Floronic Man 144
Galatea (JLU) 12
General 144
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta 144
Giganta (DCAU) 12
Gorilla Grodd 144
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 12
Hector Hammond 12
Hyathis 12
Hyperclan 12
Kalibak 12
Kanjor Ro 144
Key 144
Kid Amazo 144
Killer Frost 12
Killer Frost (DCAU) 12
Lex Luthor 144
Libra 144
Lord of Time 144
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 144
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 144
Merlyn 12
Mordru 12
Morgaine Le Fay 12
Nebula Man 144
Neron 144
Paragon 12
Parasite 12
Per Degaton 144
Plastique 12
Professor Ivo 144
Prometheus 144
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 12
Royal Flush Gang 144
Shadow Thief 12
Shaggy Man 144
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 12
Solaris 144
Solomon Grundy 144
Star Sapphire III 12
Starbreaker 12
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 12
Tornado Tyrant 12
Ulitmen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 12
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 12
Warlock of YS 12
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 12
Xotar the Weapons Master 12

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
The next round starts now. I noticed a slight increase in eliminated characters, so we will keep the scale the same for now. This is taking longer than other games because there are lots of characters in the middle of the list.



I agree with Dave, the scale probably does not affect the results so much. It's more the minimizing/maximizing of the players.

I would not be averse to eliminating more characters every round in order to speed up the game.

Amazo 144
Amos Fortune 12
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 12
Appelaxians 12
Aquarius 12
Asmodel 12
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 144
Bizarro (DCAU) 144
Blockbuster 12
Brainiac 144
Brainstorm 12
Brimstone 144
Cadre 12
Captain Cold 12
Catwoman 144
Cheetah 12
Cheetah (DCAU) 12
Chronos 12
Circe 144
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 144
Construct 12
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 12
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 144
Darkseid 12
Demons Three 144
Despero 12
Doctor Destiny 144
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 12
Doctor Light 12
Eclipso 144
Eurocrime 144
Felix Faust 12
Floronic Man 12
Galatea (JLU) 144
General 12
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 12
Giganta 144
Giganta (DCAU) 144
Gorilla Grodd 144
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 144
Hector Hammond 12
Hyathis12
Hyperclan 12
Kalibak 12
Kanjor Ro 12
Key 12
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost 144
Killer Frost (DCAU) 144
Lex Luthor 12
Libra 12
Lord of Time 12
Manga Khan 12
Manhunters 12
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 12
Merlyn 12
Mordru 144
Morgaine Le Fay 144
Nebula Man 12
Neron 144
Paragon 12
Parasite 12
Per Degaton 12
Plastique 144
Professor Ivo 12
Prometheus 12
Queen Bee 144
Queen Bee II 144
Royal Flush Gang 144
Shadow Thief 12
Shaggy Man 12
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 12
Solaris 12
Solomon Grundy 144
Star Sapphire III 144
Starbreaker 144
Starro 144
T.O. Morrow 12
Tattooed Man 12
Tornado Tyrant 12
Ulitmen (DCAU) 12
Ultra-Humanite 144
Vandal Savage 12
Wandjina 144
Warlock of YS 12
Weapons Master 12
Wizard 12
Xotar the Weapons Master 12

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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Amazo 132
Amos Fortune 121
Anti-Matter Man 12
Anton Allegro 84
Appelaxians 72
Aquarius 12
Asmodel 96
Atomic Skull (DCAU) 48
Bizarro (DCAU) 60
Blockbuster 48
Brainiac 60
Brainstorm 84
Brimstone 48
Cadre 96
Captain Cold 36
Catwoman 36
Cheetah 84
Cheetah (DCAU) 48
Chronos 60
Circe 48
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 108
Construct 108
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 60
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 120
Darkseid 84
Demons Three 108
Despero 108
Doctor Destiny 96
Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 36
Doctor Light 60
Eclipso 48
Eurocrime 60
Felix Faust 96
Floronic Man 72
Galatea (JLU) 48
General 120
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 84
Giganta 72
Giganta (DCAU) 84
Gorilla Grodd 72
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 84
Hector Hammond 72
Hyathis 96
Hyperclan 96
Kalibak 36
Kanjor Ro 120
Key 132
Kid Amazo 12
Killer Frost 36
Killer Frost (DCAU) 48
Lex Luthor 108
Libra 12
Lord of Time 120
Manga Khan 96
Manhunters 84
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 24
Merlyn 24
Mordru 24
Morgaine Le Fay 24
Nebula Man 60
Neron 48
Paragon 12
Parasite 48
Per Degaton 60
Plastique 48
Professor Ivo 144
Prometheus 108
Queen Bee 108
Queen Bee II 120
Royal Flush Gang 108
Shadow Thief 48
Shaggy Man 108
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 36
Solaris 96
Solomon Grundy 60
Star Sapphire III 60
Starbreaker 84
Starro 132
T.O. Morrow 144
Tattooed Man 96
Tornado Tyrant 108
Ulitmen (DCAU) 60
Ultra-Humanite 48
Vandal Savage 96
Wandjina 36
Warlock of YS 48
Weapons Master 84
Wizard 72
Xotar the Weapons Master 96

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #938045 09/27/17 04:30 PM
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This round ends in 24 hours. I will post the results tomorrow evening.


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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BWAH HA HA HA HA! It wouldn't be a Villainous Idol without a Villainous Takeover of the Scoring! BWAH HA HA ... cough ...cough... wheeze... jeepers... that's tough to keep going... cough...

Right do-gooders! Watch helplessly as my Trained Cyborg Attack Ocelots deliver the scores!

Amazo, 708, 100%
Starro, 708, 100%
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3), 684, 97%
Demons Three, 672, 95%
Royal Flush Gang, 660, 93%
Queen Bee, 648, 92%
Professor Ivo, 588, 83%
Key, 576, 81%
T.O. Morrow, 576, 81%
Amos Fortune, 553, 78%
Despero, 552, 78%
Kanjor Ro, 552, 78%
Lord of Time, 552, 78%
Doctor Destiny, 540, 76%
Felix Faust, 528, 75%
Queen Bee II, 516, 73%
Shaggy Man, 516, 73%
Floronic Man, 492, 69%
Colonel Rumann Harjavti, 480, 68%
Manhunters, 468, 66%
Starbreaker, 456, 64%
Chronos, 432, 61%
Solomon Grundy, 432, 61%
Brimstone, 420, 59%
Circe, 420, 59%
Eclipso, 420, 59%
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar), 420, 59%
Wandjina, 408, 58%
Blockbuster, 396, 56%
Construct, 396, 56%
Appelaxians, 384, 54%
Giganta, 384, 54%
Gorilla Grodd, 384, 54%
Tornado Tyrant, 384, 54%
Xotar the Weapons Master, 384, 54%
Eurocrime, 372, 53%
General, 372, 53%
Lex Luthor, 372, 53%
Libra, 372, 53%
Nebula Man, 372, 53%
Solaris, 372, 53%
Cadre, 360, 51%
Doctor Light, 360, 51%
Neron, 360, 51%
Per Degaton, 360, 51%
Tattooed Man, 360, 51%
Wizard, 360, 51%
Anton Allegro, 348, 49%
Brainstorm, 348, 49%
Hector Hammond, 348, 49%
Hyathis, 348, 49%
Ultra-Humanite, 348, 49%
Prometheus, 336, 47%
Asmodel, 324, 46%
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU), 324, 46%
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar), 324, 46%
Paragon, 300, 42%
Star Sapphire III, 300, 42%
Anti-Matter Man, 288, 41%
Brainiac, 288, 41%
Killer Frost (DCAU), 288, 41%
Shadow Thief, 288, 41%
Mordru, 276, 39%
Warlock of YS, 276, 39%
Aquarius, 264, 37%
Cheetah, 264, 37%
Giganta (DCAU), 264, 37%
Merlyn, 264, 37%
Morgaine Le Fay, 264, 37%
Weapons Master, 264, 37%
Catwoman, 252, 36%
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter), 252, 36%
Plastique, 252, 36%
Bizarro (DCAU), 240, 34%
Atomic Skull (DCAU), 228, 32%
Galatea (JLU), 228, 32%
Darkseid, 216, 31%
Hyperclan, 216, 31%
Killer Frost, 216, 31%
Vandal Savage, 216, 31%
Doctor Destiny (DCAU), 204, 29%
Kid Amazo, 192, 27%
Cheetah (DCAU), 168, 24%
Parasite, 156, 22%
Manga Khan, 144, 20%
Captain Cold, 132, 19%
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU), 132, 19%
Kalibak, 108, 15%
Ulitmen (DCAU), 108, 15%

And those to be eliminated are .....Curses! Emily Sivana has escaped my fiendish death trap labyrinth! Blast the government for forcing me to put a Customer Help Desk in it! Emily will tell you who's gone, but I...I will return! BWAH HA HA HA .... >WHEEZE< Has anyone seen my inhaler?...


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #938142 09/29/17 04:41 PM
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In an act of revenge, I may just cut all characters beneath 50%. If anyone has any objections (and not siding with the wretched traitor in his revolt) speak now.


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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #938146 09/29/17 06:15 PM
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8-O Four of my favorites are on 49%! :'(

But, lthe way the votes are going, they'd probably be out next round anyway, so saving them would just be delaying the inevitable.

Happy with whichever decision.

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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Happy with any decision. I'm cackling with glee at the villainous infighting!

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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Kick them out of the skull ship!
Make space for the REAL Justice League foes!

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #938189 09/30/17 08:17 PM
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I will cut all villains under 40% of the vote. You can see from thoth lad's list that cut eliminates a huge swath of characters. I anticipate running the Wild Card very shortly at the rate we are going. We might finish the entire game by the end of October. I will remix the remaining characters and start the voting tomorrow.

Mordru, 276, 39%
Warlock of YS, 276, 39%
Aquarius, 264, 37%
Cheetah, 264, 37%
Giganta (DCAU), 264, 37% <-- Opps, I should have voted. I feel this version is more fleshed out than the comic book one. I also think the awesome Giganta/Atom ship is the result of her popularity in the cartoon.
Merlyn, 264, 37%
Morgaine Le Fay, 264, 37%
Weapons Master, 264, 37%
Catwoman, 252, 36%
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter), 252, 36%
Plastique, 252, 36%
Bizarro (DCAU), 240, 34%
Atomic Skull (DCAU), 228, 32% <-- While there are many better villains, I can think of few who are cooler looking. Your frightening face will be greatly missed.
Galatea (JLU), 228, 32% <-- One of the more interesting takes on Power Girl that I have seen,
Darkseid, 216, 31%
Hyperclan, 216, 31%
Killer Frost, 216, 31% <-- Slightly surprised given that variations of this character have appeared in recent TV shows.
Vandal Savage, 216, 31%
Doctor Destiny (DCAU), 204, 29% <-- I find it odd that voters wouldn't give both versions high points in order to stack the deck in the early rounds. I have been doing that with Gorilla Grodd and Giganta in case one of them gets eliminated.
Kid Amazo, 192, 27%
Cheetah (DCAU), 168, 24%
Parasite, 156, 22%
Manga Khan, 144, 20%
Captain Cold, 132, 19%
Gentleman Ghost (DCAU), 132, 19%
Kalibak, 108, 15%
Ulitmen (DCAU), 108, 15%

Last edited by Emily Sivana; 09/30/17 08:20 PM.

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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
Emily Sivana #938193 09/30/17 10:31 PM
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Poor Ultimen. Lasted something like 10 rounds but never had their name spelled correctly. frown wink

I think last round was the first time I lost a character/group that I'd been giving more than minimum points to, but this round saw the loss of a handful of faves.

Warlock of YS - I don't get why this character never appeared more. He had a great look, and a formidable (if generic) power set and would have been perfect as an arch-nemesis for Zatanna.
Merlyn - Cool character. After a slow start (I don't think he appeared for like a decade after his first introduction) his profile began to rise after Crisis and the Arrow TV show has now obviously firmly cemented him as one of GA's top foes.
Weapons Master - GREAT power set! And one that seems completely original to me; is there anyone else out there with a similar one? I guess Dial-H-for-Hero might be distantly similar but their results are random (I think)? Probably, one of the better characters introduced during an otherwise forgettable era too.

Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 5)
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The next round beings immediately. Please feel free to continue commenting on the departed, as we may see them soon enough. We are down to 62 characters remaining. On a programming note, let me know if anyone is interested in doing an Idol after this one is over. Otherwise, I will probably wait two weeks and then try to test this Legion-themed RPG I have been working on.

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Asmodel
Blockbuster
Brainiac
Brainstorm
Brimstone
Cadre
Chronos
Circe
Colonel Rumann Harjavti
Construct
Crime Syndicate
Demons Three
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Light
Eclipso
Eurocrime
Felix Faust
Floronic Man
General
Giganta
Gorilla Grodd
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU)
Hector Hammond
Hyathis
Kanjor Ro
Key
Killer Frost (DCAU)
Lex Luthor
Libra
Lord of Time
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Nebula Man
Neron
Paragon
Per Degaton,
Professor Ivo
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Royal Flush Gang
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Solaris
Solomon Grundy
Star Sapphire III
Starbreaker
Starro
T.O. Morrow
Tattooed Man
Tornado Tyrant
Ultra-Humanite
Wandjina
Wizard
Xotar the Weapons Master


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 7)
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Amazo 60
Amos Fortune 60
Anti-Matter Man 60
Anton Allegro 12
Appelaxians 12
Asmodel 36
Blockbuster 48
Brainiac 48
Brainstorm 112
Brimstone 120
Cadre 24
Chronos 36
Circe 24
Colonel Rumann Harjavti 24
Construct 24
Crime Syndicate 48
Demons Three 48
Despero 144
Doctor Destiny 120
Doctor Light 12
Eclipso 24
Eurocrime 12
Felix Faust 120
Floronic Man 36
General 24
Giganta 144
Gorilla Grodd 60
Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 144
Hector Hammond 48
Hyathis 60
Kanjor Ro 84
Key 84
Killer Frost (DCAU) 120
Lex Luthor 84
Libra 12
Lord of Time 48
Manhunters 48
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 60
Nebula Man 12
Neron 60
Paragon 12
Per Degaton 36
Professor Ivo 120
Prometheus 84
Queen Bee 84
Queen Bee II 48
Royal Flush Gang 96
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 36
Solaris 12
Solomon Grundy 60
Star Sapphire III 96
Starbreaker 12
Starro 120
T.O. Morrow 120
Tattooed Man 60
Tornado Tyrant 60
Ultra-Humanite 24
Wandjina 12
Wizard 36
Xotar the Weapons Master 12


Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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