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Hmm... didn't retroboot Jeckie once claim to have two hearts or something?
Maybe that's a major clue that she's really like a squid or something, pretending to be a human, pretending to be a snake!
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If we subscribe to the idea that her illusions affect ALL senses, including touch, then that would make sense! ... oy, poor Val 
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Fortunately, Val has been living in the 20th century with Iris Jacobs for decades, and it is only the illusion of him that has been serving (and getting killed, repeatedly) in the Legion!
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They went back to the present with the intent of changing their entire history. I suppose Superman may still remember, but you know how THAT goes.
The inclusion of Sensor in particular, however, seems to mark it as an intentionally different timeline though.
My point is that the Adult Legion has been a different timeline since the 1960's. Erasing their timeline shouldn't erase any involvement of Superman as a boy with them, because the Legion that Superman joined as a boy and the Adult Legion are two separate timelines. So did it just erase that Adult Legion timeline, or did it erase all Legion timelines, or what?
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The Saturn Girl there looks like from threeboot. She had her hair like that and wore red and white.
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I agree with WangLung, I noticed the difference in Imra's costume too. I think in the end, they could all be wearing the same costums and still be from a completely different reality than what was shown in the most recent Legion series. Fortunately, Val has been living in the 20th century with Iris Jacobs for decades, and it is only the illusion of him that has been serving (and getting killed, repeatedly) in the Legion! Who knew Jeckie was such a drama queen, having her illusory husband be killed like that. Tsk! The attention she was getting on Orando wasn't enough for her?
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So how do we know that it was revealed that the New 52 Legion was actually Earth 2? I read the comics and didn't see this anywhere. I'm not doubting you I just want to see a reference so I know as I continue my development of the Legion of Super-Heroes role playing game.
If they are from Earth 2, then which Legion was the previous incarnation....the one that started in July 2010? What Earth were they from?
I thought both the New 52 and the 2010 version were the same Earth.
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So how do we know that it was revealed that the New 52 Legion was actually Earth 2? I read the comics and didn't see this anywhere. I'm not doubting you I just want to see a reference so I know as I continue my development of the Legion of Super-Heroes role playing game.
If they are from Earth 2, then which Legion was the previous incarnation....the one that started in July 2010? What Earth were they from?
I thought both the New 52 and the 2010 version were the same Earth. The last issue of Legion of Super-Heroes had a comment to the effect of Superman having been killed by Steppenwolf, which was an event that happened in issue 1 of the Earth 2 comic that recently started up (dealing with the arrival of new heroes after Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman died fighting off an invasion by Darkseid's minions). The wording wasn't precise enough to make it a sure bet that this Legion continuity we'd been reading about was in fact the future of the Nu52 version of Earth 2, but it certainly suggested it pretty strongly (or, at least, that whatever continuity this Legion is the future of, it's one that bears more similarities to Nu52 Earth 2 than the mainstream Nu52 continuity). Given my druthers, I'd ruther they keep it fuzzy anyway, and not tie any Legion property *too* rigorously to any given 'present day' DCU continuity, since that way lies the frustration of events in a book set 1000 years in the past (such as Manhunter crossover events or Superboy being retconned out or Supergirl dying) suddenly upsetting applecarts in a Legion title (when it should all be ancient history).
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The last issue of Legion of Super-Heroes had a comment to the effect of Superman having been killed by Steppenwolf, which was an event that happened in issue 1 of the Earth 2 comic that recently started up (dealing with the arrival of new heroes after Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman died fighting off an invasion by Darkseid's minions).
Of course Superman returning in the last issue of Robinson's Earth 2 run as an agent of Darkseid pretty much negates that theory too. I prefer to think that every reboot of the Legion has taken place in a different alternate universe...in fact as far as I'm concerned the original continuity ended with issue #15 of the Baxter run, as the next issue was the first to be influenced by the first DC reboot (aka Crisis on Infinite Earths).
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I thought Levitz said that he wanted to be vague about which Earth this Legion run was set on.
In the case of Superman returning, people involved in Fourth World mythos rarely stay dead. Most of the New Gods were dead before the New 52 and now they are all back. There is always a fan of Kirby waiting to bring them back.
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The Hermit said:
I prefer to think that every reboot of the Legion has taken place in a different alternate universe...in fact as far as I'm concerned the original continuity ended with issue #15 of the Baxter run, as the next issue was the first to be influenced by the first DC reboot (aka Crisis on Infinite Earths).
Which series are you speaking of when you say issue #15 of the Baxter run? I really need to narrow down the last "original" Legion of Super-Heroes run which started in 1958.
As the developer of the Legion of Super-Heroes RPG I want to make certain of my facts. I plan to include all of the re-boots into the game as well, but I need to know where the clear cut-off of the original characters ended.
I was on comic hiatus when they started up the Crisis and therefore have never been able to wrap my head around it sufficiently.
I want to take everything that happened after the crisis and make it a separate document for the game when discussing the history of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
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Vol 3 #15 was back in Oct 1985 (It's the issue just after 5 new members were admitted) I'm sure there are posts on v6 & v7 that touch upon where Levitz was starting from. Pol Krinn is still dead for example - that didn't happen until late on in that run, but that may have happened differently now. There's also the continuity checklist continuity checklist Personally, I like up to zero hour (using the word "like" broadly). Those were the same characters as the originals from 1958. The other runs being alternate or folded into the current run following Infinite Crisis/Flashpoint or whatever. A Legion for everyone!
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I always think of LSH 300 as the first major continuity shift, with the official relegating of the Adult Legion future to an alternate reality.
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Douglas Nolan goes off into the Multiverse and then along comes Crisis...
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Typing of Marvel owning the Legion, why is Storm looking down on Superboy? ![[Linked Image]](http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/solicitation-artwork/March-2014/SB_Cv29.jpg)
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All a part of the upcoming merger of DC and Marvel?
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Which series are you speaking of when you say issue #15 of the Baxter run? I really need to narrow down the last "original" Legion of Super-Heroes run which started in 1958.
As the developer of the Legion of Super-Heroes RPG I want to make certain of my facts. I plan to include all of the re-boots into the game as well, but I need to know where the clear cut-off of the original characters ended.
I was on comic hiatus when they started up the Crisis and therefore have never been able to wrap my head around it sufficiently.
I want to take everything that happened after the crisis and make it a separate document for the game when discussing the history of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
Issue # 16 of the Baxter run (aka vol. 3) focused on Brainy's grief over the death of Supergirl 1000 years before; a death which had never been acknowledged or even hinted at in any previous Legion story. To me this represents a clear break in continuity. One of the defining characteristics of the original Legion universe was the presence of Superboy and, to a lesser degree, his cousin Supergirl, both of which were also a part of the 20th century DC universe. When DC decided to remove these two characters from 20th century continuity they fundamentally altered the Legion continuity as well. Although attempts were made to adapt to the changes, in retrospect it simply was not the same Legion as it had been before those changes, and the franchise has been in slow decline ever since.
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"By the storms of Saturn!" - Ororo(Weather Girl), Legion X
">snikt<" - Logan (Lone Wolf), Legion X
"To me, my Legion!" - Brainiac X, Legion X
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So, anybody following this storyline? It looks pretty horrible from the panels floating around the interwebz.
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Their names are Lodestone, Schiz, and Volt.
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Lodestone is from Braal (or is a Braal/human hybrid), wears purple and black, has black hair and has magnetic powers
Volt has ginger hair, wears blue and white and has electrical powers (planet not stated)
Schiz has telepathic powers and is from Titan or a human/Titan hybrid
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I think they are a far-cross universe timeline version of the Legion. I sincerely hope they are not going to be actual Legion. Or maybe they are the Forever Evil Legion!
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In #29, Superboy has named the characters:
Volt - Garth Lodestone - Rokk Schiz - Imra
These are aliases as the hybrids have no names.
In the lab they came from there are other pods that contain what looks like Mon-El, Polar Boy and Phantom Girl.
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There's also an evil Superboy isn't there? I hated the Superboy Prime. Ug sick of evil Super anything.
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