Because I remember that, months ago, since I didn't have a facebook account, I allowed an elderly aunt to use my e-mail adress. Or some nonsense. It would've helped if either myself or my mom reminded me.
Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Because I remember that, months ago, since I didn't have a facebook account, I allowed an elderly aunt to use my e-mail adress. Or some nonsense. It would've helped if either myself or my mom reminded me.
Now I have to try and get it sorted out.
just start up a Yahoo or Google email account, and use it to join.
Um guys, I forgot to mention this. I'm really, really sorry.
The solicit for Green Arrow #1.
BRIGHTEST DAY shines its light on Star City in this oversized first issue from up-and-coming writer J.T. Krul (BLACKEST NIGHT: TITANS, GREEN ARROW #30) and future superstar artist Diogenes Neves (New Mutants)! “The Fall of Green Arrow” has ended. Now who carries the heavy bow of the Emerald Archer? Coming out of the devastation, what miraculous event has occurred in Star City and what mysteries await inside that bring the forces of good and evil in search of its lone protector? Aim for a whole new era starring Green Arrow in this exciting ongoing series!
I'm totally with you on that one...just stating the reason I thoupght Roy was unique in the DCU. Wally is a dad now sure, but Roy has been doing the single dad thing now for years.
Plus it always made meeting between the Titans and Cheshire very anxious.
Okay, so, here’s the deal. We’re a movement, right? A protest group, correct? Then we need to act like one. Simply collecting fan art and fan fiction doesn’t make us a movement, it makes us a fan club. We need to start taking more proactive steps, but we can’t start in grandiose ways, or by going overboard. Not yet, anyway.
1. Spread The Message: We still need to get as many people involved as we can. We’ve been doing that so far by reaching out to the Roy and Lian fans who were angered with what happened, on those who weren’t aware of it. There are probably more out there, lots more, and simply looking for those who post art and stories is not a surefire way to find them all. Talk about the movement and the circumstances behind it in your journals and your posts. Spread more information about it to other message boards, among twitter, live journal, facebook, myspace, and any of those other websites. Tell your friends about it and get them involved. Feature the BBLH Ribbon in your artwork and your journals. Of course, I understand if some of you still have problems with it, in regards to actual awareness ribbons, in which case you don‘t have to. And keep a steady stream of art and stories to get more people into it.
2. Keep Your Eyes Open: We still need to keep up with the information flow regarding Roy’s status as a character. Keep your eyes out for any interviews, reviews, and segments on any websites like Newsarama, Comic Book Resources, the DCU Blog, or any of the creator or editor websites.
3. Stay Aware: To this end, no matter how painful it might be, I’m going to have ask all of you to be sure you’ve read Rise of Arsenal and Green Arrow. I am not saying BUY, and I am not saying STEAL. READ. Obviously, money means more to the execs at DC then reading it, so we shouldn’t support this “direction” they’ve decided to go in by giving them our money. But we still need to read them in order to know what’s happening. In that case, borrow the issues from a friend, if you can, or read them in a comic or book store if you can. I can’t condone reading the comics scanned in their entirety on the internet, but if you can’t get them, well…
4. Make Your Voices Heard: Just because they’re professionals, doesn’t mean they don’t have e-mail addresses. Give your opinions to the editors and writers at DC on this matter in whatever way you can. Once you’ve finished reading the issues, type up reviews, post them, and send them to the writers and editors. But you must sound intelligent and rational. Proof read, use proper language, avoid internet slang, and do not come across as whiny or childish. But let them know EXACTLY how you feel. I’ve got Krul’s e-mail address.
I am not forcing any of you to do any of these things, but if we’re serious about this, then we need to start taking more steps to fix the mess DC has made of these two characters.
Here's a little pic I found and worked with a little. I love the idea of Lian at that age, about 1 to 1 and 1/2 years old. Her red hair and blue eyes are just beginning to turn to her later blue black hair and black eyes.
Feel free, if you want, to post this anywhere else that you want, SK. I'm going to add it to you Lian story on Bits here.
You didn't ruin it, but as I noted earlier, this makes me glad I had to quit superhero comics. I specify "superhero" because I still read some manga, mostly gentle stuff like Lucky Star.
If your klordny lasts longer than 4 hours, seek medical attention.
TITANS #26 Written by ERIC WALLACE Art and cover by FABRIZIO FIORENTINO 1:10 White Lantern Variant cover by RYAN SOOK, FERNANDO PASARIN & JOEL GOMEZ Straight out of the JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE RISE OF ARSENAL miniseries, Arsenal signs up with Deathstroke and Cheshire when the Titans target a child slavery ring for takedown. What they unearth will shock you to the core! Retailers please note: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the Previews Order Form for more information. On sale AUGUST 11 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
I remember a poignant scene with Lian after Donna Troy got killed off for a while. Lian couldn't understand why everyone was so sad--wouldn't Donna just come back like Superman and Uncle Ollie did?
And later, sure enough, Donna came back.
If even Kara Zor-El can come back, there's hope for Lian.
If your klordny lasts longer than 4 hours, seek medical attention.
I am upset at Lian's death because it highlights how deconstructive comic books have become. I am not against having heroes suffer, but there has to be a pay-off.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Well, considering what Marvel has done to the Punisher there may be a market out there. However, DC already has a character like that in The Vigilante. Now why doesn't DC use The Vigilante? I think it has to do with a series of essays by a real life attorney. I can't find the link a this moment, but he destroyed the basis of The Vigilante's motives.
A reason I found on the DCMB is that Lian's very existance ages Roy. She's a casulty of the clamor for a more Silver Age feel to comics.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
Well, that's over. We've quite possibly seen four of the top ten worst superhero comic books ever... all spawned from one mini-series, generated from a previous mini/event that is starting to look respectable in comparison (Justice League: Cry For Justice).
There's been a lot of focus on this series. All of it negative...and all of it deserved. All but the first issue have had three pencil artists and at least two inkers. For the life of me, I can't understand why. It wasn't rush solicited and it isn't such an important book that several others would be damaged by it running late. The only explanation I can come up with is constant re-writes. Why do I feel this is likely the case?
Because one of the hallmarks of the series, continued in this issue, is inconsistency and things that just don't make any sense.
We have keys switching sides on an orderly's belt and his co-worker seemingly oblivious to physically struggling with Roy. Then there's a super-villain wearing his costume under his prison uniform and then having that directly contradicted by a comment by Harper. Of course, a jailed Green Arrow walking around in his full costume barely gets one to bat an eye after that. We have terrible perspective in the art, with blades that go from looking like knives to short swords and back again from one panel to the next. One of those blades somehow pulls a cellblock switch when thrown straight, which manages to damage the reader's ability to suspend disbelief more, something that previously seemed impossible. Yet I still paused out of incredulity when I noticed a large blotch of blood somehow wind up on a wall that would have been shielded by the attacker's body.
There's not much to say about the writing that hasn't already been said in reviews all across the internet for the first three issues. It's written at all times for extreme shock value, which leads to a product that only manages to be entertaining through the same way one might enjoy a movie that wins a Razzie: laughing with friend at how bad it is, as you gather together to pick it apart.
I think the idea to have Green Arrow wear his costume in prison is a direct result of Marvel. I think it was Bendis who established that villains could where their costumes because of good behavior.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
O’Shea: In the Legion book, the current storyline features the kidnapping of Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad’s twin children. Were you hesitant to build a plotline around putting the heroes’ children at risk, given the recent negative reaction to the death of Liam (Roy Harper’s daughter) in the Justice League: Cry for Justice?
Levitz: I haven’t followed the reactions you’re referring to, but I think there’s a reality to children being at risk in the world, and certainly in the melodramatic world of the Legionnaires’ lives, it’s not unexpected.
So they're saying Lian's been back since last year when she first appeared as "Shoes" in Catwoman #25. The Festival of Heroes anthology revealed, somehow, she was not only still alive and amnesiac but Cheshire dumped her at some church in Gotham City thinking she'd be safer. Yes at the time she was apparently fighting ninjas while carrying her unconscious daughter, but still.
The implications are that Roy's spent years thinking Lian's been dead all this time with no explanation as to how or why she's a teenager.
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Okay seeing this thread makes me cringe a little remembering how I was ten years ago and thinking an online petition and simple complaining to random creators was going to fix things.
Truthfully though, I really hate this and I'm not the only fan who was disappointed by this reveal. Except for the Cheshire Cat mask, there's literally nothing that would've ever implied "Shoes" was Lian. There's nothing of the character she was to the point it feels like Ram V decided to slap Lian's name on their own character. That they gutted Lian of her personality and memories of her family, made her a generic angsty and somewhat morally dubious character working for an anti-hero, and stuck her with a Batman character she has no real connection or reason to be with, is pretty much exactly what they did to Roy ten years ago. Aging her up arbitrarily and skipping over her developmental years is also what DC did to Jon Kent, which, well, we're still arguing about that aren't we? The blue hair also doesn't come across as well thought since the "rebellious Asian girl with dyed hair" trope has been considered to have racist undertones.
Like, in all fairness you cannot expect fans to be happy when they spent a decade asking for a character to be brought back only to be stripped of everything which made them interesting and removed from their friends and family. We didn't just want Lian back, we wanted her back with Roy and their family so he could be a dad again and we could actually watch her grow. You also can't expect fans to accept "Wait and see how the story goes" when fans have already made connections between this and how they spent ten years doing absolutely nothing worthwhile with Roy after giving him the same start.
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