Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LAST ROUND!!!! ACTION, Reboot or Threeboot? Ends Tuesday, 8/19

Really? Published before the Baxter edition #18 (the apparent point of demarcation from which the ACTION LSH differs from anything we've read before)?

Sounds like another thread idea to me-- though when this initial round is done, folk can continue on as they want. (I'm thinking 5-7 more characters at most).

put me down for ALL Classic but leave the dead ones dead.

Having said that the 3boot Tinya is probably the most babe-ilicious Legionnaire ever but I still can't vote for a 3boot.

I'll pass on this one: I don't feel like I can compare characters that potentially exist to a dead one.

Chemical King: ACTION

looks like it comes to an end? What about Substitute Heroes?

As plenty of people have pointed out, while Action resembles Levitz, there are differences. As KQ1 was intro'd to have been retro'd to have joined around the same time as Star Boy, there's more than enough leeway.

Also, since Action presumably does not contain Supergirl, KQ1 is the natural successor to have been UNknown Lad, who defended Antares II and the Protys back in Adventure.

Unless you have DC's master list of who is or isn't in the Action Legion, it makes more sense to me to be INclusive rather than EXclusive.

that goes for Laurel, too. Even though not shown, she still fits in a Supergirl-less LSH.

COSMIC BOY: Action- 8, Reboot- 14, 3boot- 2

SATURN GIRL: Action- 17, Reboot- 7, 3boot-3

LIGHTNING LAD: Action- 10, Reboot- 3, 3boot- 9

PHANTOM GIRL: Action- 8, Reboot- 3, 3boot- 13

TRIPLICATE GIRL: Action- 4, Reboot- 16, 3boot- 4

COLOSSAL BOY: Action- 14, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 6

CHAMELEON BOY: Action- 14, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 4

INVISIBLE KID: Action-2, Reboot-16, 3boot-3,none-2

BRAINIAC 5: Action-9, Reboot-17, 3boot-0

ULTRA BOY: Action-19, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 3

STAR BOY: Action- 12, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 5

SHRINKING VIOLET: Action-12, Reboot- 7, 3boot-1

SUN BOY: Action-16, Reboot-1, 3boot-3

BOUNCING BOY: Action- 10, Reboot-11, 3boot- 0

MON-EL: Action- 13, Reboot- 5, 3boot- 0

MATTER-EATER LAD: Action- 11, Reboot- 0, 3boot- 9

ELEMENT LAD: Action- 14, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 1

LIGHT LASS: Action- 5, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 8

DREAM GIRL: Action- 7, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 7

KARATE KID: Action- 6, Reboot-2, 3boot- 5, none-2

SENSOR GIRL: Action- 12, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 2

FERRO LAD: Action- 7, Reboot- 5, 3boot-0, None-6

SHADOW LASS: Action- 3, Reboot- 10, 3boot- 5

CHEMICAL KING:Action- 2,Reboot- 0,3boot- 3, none-3

Based on the Soul of Antares mention, I'll go ahead and allow a Kid Quantum round. Combined with Timber Wolf.

Soul of Antares/Kid Quantum: Action, Reboot or Threeboot?

Timber Wolf/Lone Wolf: Action, Reboot or Threeboot?

I'm voting 'none' for Kid Quantum, 'cause I'd pick *him* as the 'dead-Legionnaire-for-a-bigger-reason' slot. I liked that his reliance on his belt to control his powers contributed to his death and caused the LSH to disallow gadget-based powers as a means to join.

I guess a vote for Soul of Antares is a vote for someone just like the James Cullen of the 5YL LSH.

A threeboot vote would be for an unseen character presumably created by Jim Shooter.

Action Timber Wolf is as seen in LIGHTNING SAGA and ACTION. He's involved with Ayla still or again. I don't remember much else about him off the top of my head.

Reboot Timber Wolf was more physically feral with a mysterious background that included membership in a gang on Rimbor. He had a thing for Apparition and was protective of her son.

Threeboot Timber Wolf is involved with Princess Projectra, has recently become much more belligerent and downright unpleasant (he needs his nose rubbed in some doo-doo) and has quickly sunk to one of my least favorite characters.

I'm voting ACTION for Brin.

I've added a vote for the ACTION Legionnaires voted for thus far (with 'none' for dead ones), but don't consider this a vote for characters in future rounds. You'll have to return and vote for each character going forward.

Timber Wolf/Lone Wolf: Action

Soul of Antares/Kid Quantum: None

I don't agree. But I'll see what other people think.

SIDEBAR: Should Laurel be counted as an ACTION nominee?

KQ: None
TW: Reboot
Laurel Sidebar: Yes

KQ: Reboot
TW: reboot (hey, I like the Cartoon better but had to vote reboot or 3boot so I chose reboot.)

Laurel/supergirl: ?? go ahead!

Kid Quantum = None
Timber Wolf = Action
Laurel Gand = I like her...but none if those are the choices. If she turns out to actgually be in the Action Legion I will probably reconsider. I'm hoping both she and Supergirl will wind up in it. But to me Laurel Gand is a 5YG/reboot character for now...and I don't consider the 5YG as the original or the Action Legion.

Maybe you should just make 5YG an option? In Laurel's case?

I know it's called Legion of Three Worlds but I have heard the 5YG Legion might be in it....seems like a lot of confusion is because that one isn't an option. If it's not considered part of the Action(and it's divergent now no matter what) then it should get it's own designation, because it was a published era of the Legion, just like the classic, the reboot and the 3boot, and it was acutally around for longer than the W&K has been around.

CHEMICAL KING: If you can give me the Condo that appeared in the Legion of Super Villains Academy two parter or in the Egghead issue I'd be in heaven. These two appearances portray Condo as a fun, outgoing, likable powerhouse able to increase his metabolism and become a powerhouse for short periods of time. I believe these were his first two major appearances and when he became an instant favorite of mine. Unfortunately, he soon got lost in the background because none of the later creators really knew what his powers really were nor how they differed from Jan's. Finally, years later, he was brought back & featured prominently one last time to fulfill his "Adult Legion" destiny and die saving the world from a war.

I'm vehemently opposed to bringing him back as the reboot reporter but wouldn't mind terribly if we got a threeboot version that turned him into the powerhouse he really should have been.

Because he was so poorly written in later appearances I really would prefer a fresh start in a threeboot version but simply can't vote against the original and poorly treated Condo.

Action Chemical King for me.

To answer Not-So-Bad Lad's question. No, Condo's personality traits and quirks as depicted in the Secret Origin issue were new. Although I believe it's one of the best and most powerful depictions of Condo ever, it truly was a reimagining of the character to reconcile his final appearance, in which he is shown to be insecure and questioning of his role and legitimacy as a Legionnaire. In fact, that Secret Origin issue is really the first time where any sort of friendship (beyond teammates) between Condo and Lyle is portrayed if memory serves.

TIMBER WOLF: Did not care for the reboot version feralized look nor the revision making him from Rimbor and taking away his Zuunian origin. I have enjoyed the threeboot version early on but don't care for the sudden change brought about in which he has also become half wolf (Thanks to Brainy!)

So it's Action Legion for Brin as well.

KID QUANTUM1: Sorry, I don't see him as part of the classic/Action Legion. His retroactive shoehorning into early continuity really grates on me. IMO, the story should have been that he had left home to try out for the Legion. Instead of reaching Earth, he had been sidetracked by the Antareans, eventually becoming their protector. He could then have given up his life while teaming with the Legion to save the Antareans and been given posthumous membership for his heroism. That's a story I could buy into.

So I vote KQ1 - none (or maybe threeboot at best)

LAUREL GAND/ANDROMEDA: Talk about a reboot of a reboot of a reboot mess! Poor Laurel never really got a chance to shine in her own light, being seen by so many as a cheap replacement for Kara after the "No Supers" era began. Then we were given the xenophobic turned nun disaster! Oy!

I really like the concept of a descendant Mon joining the Legion alongside him, giving him a familial connection after a thousand years of lonesome existence in the Phantom Zone. Mon would be in perfect "big brother" mode with her there (as he used to be with Kal) and she could open his eyes and those of others about just how competent a female powerhouse can be. Plus I'd love to see Jo try to put the moves on her!

I vote threeboot because the potential is greater than the past in this case in particular

TW - Action

KQ1 - none

Laurel Gand - I could live with a reboot survivor

Thanks ML

So Reboot had two versions of KQ. I vote for the Jazmin Cullen version, as she had a good deal of character development and I actually found her interesting during the DnA run.

SHADOW LASS/UMBRA
-- Umbra (reboot)

CHEMICAL KING
-- 3boot new one

TIMBER WOLF
-- reboot TW only because he’s the closest match to ‘Toon Brin, the only version I ever liked.

LAUREL GAND/ANDROMEDA
-- N/A (none)

KQ1
-- N/A (none)


The last two characters should not be eligible for this game based on GJ’s statement that he’s bypassed the 5YLL ***, leaving only one version of each character (reboot) for consideration as members of the “Three”. That the 5YLL will “probably” appear in LO3W *because* Perez wants a shot at drawing every Legionnaire who ever existed in any reality does not imply that GJ has substantive plans for them (no more than, say, Superboy’s Legion, the Arthurian Legion, the Toon Legion or any other non-Three version that has been excluded from this game for perfectly legitimate reasons).


*** Geoff Johns, Word Balloon interview, 11/14/07
http://wordballoon.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=277965
“We’ve kind of bypassed the Five Years Later run, and to look at this crew back before Superboy was taken away from its history, basically”

Please guys and gals- this round doesn't contain a vote for *which* version of Laurel to choose-- it's whether or not to have a Laurel Gand vote at all!

If yes, she'll share a round with Wildfire next round.

Brin: Reboot, despite being too Wolverine-y sometimes.

KQ: Is Jasmine included, then her. If not, then early-but-faked-dead-for-a-larger-reason preboot/Action.

and yes, I favor including Laurel. I don't see us as trying to guess Johns' plans, as he may change his mind, or others may pick up the baton afterward. I see the Action Legion as a revival/revisioning of Preboot, with modifications, and anything within reason is fair game unless specifically ruled out. This should not be a vehicle for certain orthodoxies to hold sway when other interpretations at this point are just as valid.

Otherwise, the case is just as valid for excluding Condo, as his Reboot variant had no real Legion connection at all, and with Condo missing from Kal's statue collection it's just as arguable there is no actual Action CK.

I am not making that argument even though the end result of that poll is a foregone conclusion. I am merely suggesting people do not be so dismissive on subjects ill-defined at present.

If you've voted for a reboot KQ thinking it was for Jazmin, please revote. She's *not* among the choices, nor will she be.

okay, then preboot James-in-hiding.

Will we get to vote for Jazmin? Besides SW6, does she appear elsewhere preboot?