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Fabulous and Sparkly!
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I've decided to abstain on Ferro Lad.
For Shadow Lass, I vote Threeboot. I tend not to like warrior-types, but she's been handled very well. It makes her interesting.
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Ferro Lad - Reboot all the way. I loved that guy and his new backstory.
Shadow Lass - Hated the Xenophobic rebooter, indifferent to Action really (though she was hot), so I'll go with the hedonistic 3booter.
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I've not really seen the newest version but the first two were great. Both gave her great backstory but reboot gave her powers more worthy to me of a planetary champion even if the result was a crotch shield (we had a lot of fun with that one didn't we?).
Reboot.
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Ferro Lad: SW6 version is the only version of a non-dead Andy that has worked. Therefore, I must vote ACTION/Classic, as SW6 is based there and SW6 is based on the original.
Shady: Wow, I adore her Cockrum and Grell version, but she kinda loses a lot of my interest once she survives the Science Asteroid. I'll go REBOOT with the notation that the "UMBRA" name was a big error, especially when you have examples (well, at least one that I recall) of her friends calling her "Shady" later on in the reboot.
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Originally posted by Blockade Boy: I've not really seen the newest version but the first two were great. Both gave her great backstory but reboot gave her powers more worthy to me of a planetary champion even if the result was a crotch shield (we had a lot of fun with that one didn't we?).
A good point about the xenophobic nature but I saw that as the nature of her planet, a nature from which she was growing as she gained experiences with Legion. So with that in mind...
Reboot.
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Drat! I hate it when I hit "quote" instead of edit. 
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Projectra- 3boot
Ferro Lad- Action (dead, but replaced with Douglas "Ingot")
The Soul of Antares - However y'all want to designate him
Shady - I've enjoyed each version, even though they are all quite different. I vote for Reboot.
(I would have loved to have seen a Reboot or 3boot Nemesis Kid.)
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I'm not sure I can choose between Shadies.
I'll reluctantly pick Threeboot... but I love em all.
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Threeboot Shady gets my vote - looks good, tough, independent and emotionally well-balanced, has a good sense of her planetary responsibilities; none of Umbra's resentment and none of original Shady's swooning over Mon-el. I still think she should be Legion leader.
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Umbra is a name for sport material. Another case of dumbing-down Legion (ergo, Reboot). That, the snake and the insect are so X-Men that it makes me sick. And I remember Shady from Levitz as one of the top characters, so it's Action this time.
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Ferro - none. The legend of his heroic death was one of the best things about the Legion.
Tasmia - reboot
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Umbra for me. I never really got to know the original, and the threeboot version has been cast (for me) by the unfortunate "goggles" incident. 
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COSMIC BOY: Action- 7, Reboot- 14, 3boot- 2
SATURN GIRL: Action- 16, Reboot- 7, 3boot-3
LIGHTNING LAD: Action- 9, Reboot- 3, 3boot- 9
PHANTOM GIRL: Action- 7, Reboot- 3, 3boot- 13
TRIPLICATE GIRL: Action- 3, Reboot- 16, 3boot- 4
COLOSSAL BOY: Action- 13, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 6
CHAMELEON BOY: Action- 13, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 4
INVISIBLE KID: Action-2, Reboot-16, 3boot-3,none-1
BRAINIAC 5: Action-8, Reboot-17, 3boot-0
ULTRA BOY: Action-18, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 3
STAR BOY: Action- 11, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 5
SHRINKING VIOLET: Action-11, Reboot- 7, 3boot-1
SUN BOY: Action-15, Reboot-1, 3boot-3
BOUNCING BOY: Action- 9, Reboot-11, 3boot- 0
MON-EL: Action- 12, Reboot- 5, 3boot- 0
MATTER-EATER LAD: Action- 10, Reboot- 0, 3boot- 9
ELEMENT LAD: Action- 13, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 1
LIGHT LASS: Action- 4, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 8
DREAM GIRL: Action- 6, Reboot- 4, 3boot- 7
KARATE KID: Action- 6, Reboot-2, 3boot- 5, none-1
SENSOR GIRL: Action- 12, Reboot- 2, 3boot- 2
FERRO LAD: Action- 7, Reboot- 5, 3boot-0, None-5
SHADOW LASS: Action- 2, Reboot- 10, 3boot- 5 ______________________________________________
CHEMICAL KING: Action, Reboot or Threeboot?
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Action Chemical King would be resurrected using whatever mechanism that brought Karate Kid and at least one of Luornu's bodies back for LIGHTNING SAGA.
Reboot would be the reporter guy who looked too old for Lyle Norg and never demonstrated the CK powers.
Threeboot would be a new creation, presumably- though it *would* most likely be a recreation by the character's creator, Jim Shooter. Still, we have no indication that it's going to happen- just some fans' hopes. Unless there was a CK in one of the Hordes of Namelessness?
I vote for a potential threeboot CK, because Condo never really got a fair shot, frankly. I'm leary of more resurrected Legionnaires, the reporter guy was too nebulous and has that age thing to his disadvantage. I'd like to see what Shooter would do with a new CK- I'll bet he'd have a great grasp of his powers, a la Princess Projectra (whose power use has been one of the best things about his run).
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I tried to rip their soul out.I tried to make them forget Superman. But they won't.
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Chemical King: The Secret Origins telling of the character is fantastic, and would make Action my choice...were any of those quirks and traits present in Condo whenever he made any appearances.
Condo to me always seem to be an underutilized powerhouse, with abilities at least on par with Jan or Drake. While I'm by no means the biggest fan of Threeboot, I think a 3boot Condo could potentially have a chance to shine both as a hero and as a powerhouse.
3boot.
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CK *definitely* gets a listing without question but KQ1 doesn't? I'm at a loss on that.
I also note that you have added a "none" category for Ferro Lad. I didn't realize that was an option. I'd like my Action vote shifted to None, as I agree an Action FL should stay dead.
Until the CK/KQ1 anomaly is clarified, I do not believe I shall participate further. If the point of this is for the fun of it, it should not be excluding some while including others; it should be cast as wide open as possible to encourage participation. If it is only to promote arbitrary orthodoxies, it seems pointless.
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Remember, this was an exercise with parameters. It does exclude some characters, because DC did. Call that 'arbitrary' if you wish. It certainly wasn't because I'm only choosing from my own personal favorites. There'd definitely be 5YL and SW6 characters in there if I was choosing my own 'chosen circle'. The choices come from the pool of characters that will be in LEGION OF THREE WORLDS as was described in publicity pre-ComicCon. That is the ACTION LSH as seen in ACTION comics; Reboot, as seen most recently in INFINITE CRISIS (and cover art for the upcoming mini) and the current Threeboot. Chemical King gets the same 'back from the dead' card that applies to Karate Kid and Luornu (which we saw in the book), and Invisible Kid and Ferro Lad, which would be an extrapolation. Now, Chemical King *does* have this against him; his statue wasn't shown in the Fortress of Solitude in the LIGHTNING SAGA. I think that was more of an editorial mistake than a purposeful omission, but I could be wrong. At comic-con, it was mentioned that George Perez will be drawing 'every Legionnaire ever', which *does* change things. So, a version 2 of this could well be in order. Andromeda/Laurel Gand definitely wasn't shown or mentioned in the ACTION LSH, so taking a cue from that I omitted Kid Quantum I. The absence of either of these two characters tells us much more than the lack of a CK statue, I think, as they are much more continuity-specific. The LSH that appears in ACTION seems divergent from the one that became 5YL (at least until Mon-el decked Time Trapper, but that's another discussion  ). I honestly don't see how Kid Q could be included with the ACTION LSH, and there wasn't a threeboot character. I chose to include characters that had versions in at least two of the three 3 WORLD Legions. Again, I view CK as an editorial mistake rather than a purposeful omission, which I view the lack of Andromeda and KQ to be. So this means there won't be votes for Dawnstar, Blok, Tellus or Quislet either. I hope you do decide to continue to participate, Kent Shakespeare. If not, maybe a second version of this kind of vote will be more to your liking.
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In my opinion, a vote for an ACTION version of a dead character wouldn't necessarily be a vote for that character to be resurrected. You would certainly be voting for that character as your favorite, but it could also show respect for the deceased character and having that version in L3W be acknowledged but not brought back.
Does that make any sense? Does this p.o.v. really violate the spirit of the thread? When I voted for Val Armorr, for example, I voted for the version I considered dead as my favorite of the three, but I didn't consider it a vote for resurrection exactly.
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No vote on CK. I'm not so sure if Condo as reporter guy would be worth it, and a dead Condo is a wee bit useless as well.
Exnihil: Novelty, if he had a power, the obvious one to me would of course be "The Power of Grayskull"
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Originally posted by Lard Lad: In my opinion, a vote for an ACTION version of a dead character wouldn't necessarily be a vote for that character to be resurrected. The 'none' vote would fit this criteria best, I think. I only used that for Ferro Lad because that was the only character for whom I noticed it coming up. If anyone wants to change votes for Invisible Kid or Karate Kid to 'none', they can. Otherwise, I'm thinking a vote for 'Action' for a character killed before Baxter #18, apparently the point of divergence, is a vote for a potential resurrection. It's still a mystery just how Karate Kid and Luornu ended up back from the dead in LIGHTNING SAGA, so this is problematic. signed "The Arbitrary Orthodoxy"
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In that case, change my Lyle and Val votes to "none", as I would take the Action versions but keep them dead.
Same applies to Condo.
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Originally posted by Mystery Lad: I vote for a potential threeboot CK, because Condo never really got a fair shot, frankly. I'm leary of more resurrected Legionnaires, the reporter guy was too nebulous and has that age thing to his disadvantage. I'd like to see what Shooter would do with a new CK- I'll bet he'd have a great grasp of his powers, a la Princess Projectra (whose power use has been one of the best things about his run). Well said. Chemical King - 3boot Originally posted by Mystery Lad: I honestly don't see how Kid Q could be included with the ACTION LSH, and there wasn't a threeboot character. I chose to include characters that had versions in at least two of the three 3 WORLD Legions. Again, I view CK as an editorial mistake rather than a purposeful omission, which I view the lack of Andromeda and KQ to be.
So this means there won't be votes for Dawnstar, Blok, Tellus or Quislet either. IIRC, the "Soul of Antares" was mentioned in the preboot. If so, then I think this qualifies KQ1. But I could be wrong... Just for fun we might want to choose between Supergirl/Laurel Kent/Laurel Gand...Dawnstar and Shikari Lonestar...Blok and Montress. Just thought this might be amusing and encourage some lively comparisons. 
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Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare: CK *definitely* gets a listing without question but KQ1 doesn't? I'm at a loss on that.
I also note that you have added a "none" category for Ferro Lad. I didn't realize that was an option. I'd like my Action vote shifted to None, as I agree an Action FL should stay dead.
Until the CK/KQ1 anomaly is clarified, I do not believe I shall participate further. If the point of this is for the fun of it, it should not be excluding some while including others; it should be cast as wide open as possible to encourage participation. If it is only to promote arbitrary orthodoxies, it seems pointless. I recognise that people like the 5YG crew, but they were specifically excluded from this at the outset as they are not one of the "Three Worlds". While the actual issues could be questioned, it's obvious the ACTION Legion includes most continuity up until somewhere in v.3. Everything after that is excluded (including KQ1 and Laurel Gand). That means there's only one version of KQ1 on the table, the reboot guy. Cono on the other hand has two options, the original and the Reporter from Reboot. I don't necessarily agree that the threeboot should be an option, just like it shouldn't have been for Bouncing Boy, but there are at least two to choose from.
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