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I actually don't care about the Johnsboot KK or Triplicate Girl, but Una being eaten alive by rats was one of the most stupid and revolting things I ever saw happen to a Legionnaire.

Given the disdain shown to these two characters in Countdown, I wouldn't be willing to bet their teammates in the 31st century are guaranteed safe passage through Final Crisis. Something else else about the whole thing is definitely not kosher.

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Given the disdain shown to these two characters in Countdown, I wouldn't be willing to bet their teammates in the 31st century are guaranteed safe passage through Final Crisis. Something else else about the whole thing is definitely not kosher.
I strongly suspect that Final Crisis will have *lots* of Legionnaire deaths at the 'hands' of those shadows.

Didio *loves* killin' folk. Three different Legions? This is a killing field that makes the Teen Titans look like a traffic accident.


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Yeah I would be worried about your favorites folks.

These days, the return of a favorite not seen in years means the same thing as when in the 5th act of a Shakespearian tragedy, some guy shows up and announces "Hail and well met, I'm Cannon Fodder, son of your old friend Didio come to aid you in your hour of need."

I would imagine the first blow comes on the opening splash page for greater effect.

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And they got... what... something like $140 out of you for something which gave you no pleasure at all?
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Originally posted by Tromium:
I actually don't care about the Johnsboot KK or Triplicate Girl, but Una being eaten alive by rats was one of the most stupid and revolting things I ever saw happen to a Legionnaire.

Given the disdain shown to these two characters in Countdown, I wouldn't be willing to bet their teammates in the 31st century are guaranteed safe passage through Final Crisis. Something else else about the whole thing is definitely not kosher.
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Has Johns really been involved with Countdown?


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No, I'm pretty sure he's had almost no involvement, and he said pretty much that in an interview related to the diconnect between GL and Countdown.

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Hell, they couldn't even draw Val's and Luornu's costumes correctly. Such an insipid series.

I dropped it weeks ago. Thought it would be better in the single digit numbers, but it's actually worse.

I get the feeling that neither Karate Kid nor Una were the real deal. Clones... possibly.

If anyone is trade-waiting, do yourself a favor and buy a Legion Archive or TPB instead.
Or $20 worth of Bazooka Joe gum and read the comics all together and try to make some sense of them as one long sequential story. Which would still make more sense than Countdown.

If only Lu had tried shouting "Stupid, stupid Rat Creatures!" That might have made it more worthwhile.

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"Stupid, stupid Rat Creatures!" I love it! laugh A Bone reference on this board!


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What a pathetic end to one of my favorite Legionnaires. And such crappy art. Glad I didn't buy any of it. I've generally hated most of DC's crossover events and wish they'd leave the Legion out of them. Seems like that would be easy enough to do considering they live 1,000 years in the future and supposedly can't time travel anymore.


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I agree Jim. The lamest one was Millenium, with Laurel Kent being revealed to be a Manhunter with faulty wiring (so she didn't activate for 1000 years). Other mega-crossovers, like Crisis, seemed wierd to include the Legion in. Okay, if the universe is being wiped out by a wave of anti-matter in 1985, don't you think a team from 2985 would have noticed that in their historical records??? I mean, at least that Brainy fella, he's kinda observant. wink Where was the logic in time being erased in both centuries simultaneously? At least Zero Hour's effect on the Legion made a little more sense chronological speaking. If the future and past are both being erased and working their way back to the present, the 30th century would vanish before the 20th. I liked how during one of the final battles, Booster Gold vanished (a la Marty McFly), because his 25th century no longer existed. Time travel paradoxes are always fun, but the original COIE really went freaky with it. "All time exists at once, so we can include everyone from Anthro to Kamandi in one story..." Hey, that plot sounds familiar... Final Crisis anyone?


As for "Una", is DC ever going to explain why 1/3 of Triplicate Girl was there to begin with? She told Val Brainy sent her to stay with him in the present, dressed as Triplicate Girl, but only has 1 body now. By the time Val joined the Legion she was Duo Damsel, nor did Luornu explain why she only had one body left.

I'm starting to think she was never Lu at all, but a decoy sent by someone (a Monitor or Darkseid or somebody) to keep Val in the 20th century knowing he had the deadly virus. That's another thing we haven't been told: How Val was still alive in the 31st century and where/how he contracted this fatal disease.

Only a bunch of lame questions and stupid deaths... The Legion connection to this drivel was my only real reason for buying Countdown. Ultimately a waste of my time and money!


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I agree Jim. The lamest one was Millenium, with Laurel Kent being revealed to be a Manhunter with faulty wiring (so she didn't activate for 1000 years).
That one still burns me, 'cause I loved Laurel Kent. Complete with S-poncho!

Nowadays when people say 'Laurel' they are referring to She-Mon-El instead, and I'm always disappointed.


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I agree Jim. The lamest one was Millenium, with Laurel Kent being revealed to be a Manhunter with faulty wiring (so she didn't activate for 1000 years). Other mega-crossovers, like Crisis, seemed wierd to include the Legion in. Okay, if the universe is being wiped out by a wave of anti-matter in 1985, don't you think a team from 2985 would have noticed that in their historical records??? I mean, at least that Brainy fella, he's kinda observant. wink Where was the logic in time being erased in both centuries simultaneously? At least Zero Hour's effect on the Legion made a little more sense chronological speaking. If the future and past are both being erased and working their way back to the present, the 30th century would vanish before the 20th. I liked how during one of the final battles, Booster Gold vanished (a la Marty McFly), because his 25th century no longer existed. Time travel paradoxes are always fun, but the original COIE really went freaky with it. "All time exists at once, so we can include everyone from Anthro to Kamandi in one story..." Hey, that plot sounds familiar... Final Crisis anyone?


As for "Una", is DC ever going to explain why 1/3 of Triplicate Girl was there to begin with? She told Val Brainy sent her to stay with him in the present, dressed as Triplicate Girl, but only has 1 body now. By the time Val joined the Legion she was Duo Damsel, nor did Luornu explain why she only had one body left.

I'm starting to think she was never Lu at all, but a decoy sent by someone (a Monitor or Darkseid or somebody) to keep Val in the 20th century knowing he had the deadly virus. That's another thing we haven't been told: How Val was still alive in the 31st century and where/how he contracted this fatal disease.

Only a bunch of lame questions and stupid deaths... The Legion connection to this drivel was my only real reason for buying Countdown. Ultimately a waste of my time and money!
Someone mentioned elsewhere that both Karate Kid and Una were already dead in Legion continuity. Karate Kid of course being killed by Nemesis Kid and Triplicate Girl had at least one of her bodies killed.

The fact that they were both previously dead could be relevant.

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No way. Lamest by far was "Genesis." What a dumb story, beginning to end.


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I'll see your Genesis and raise you... Bloodlines!


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yes but did Genesis or Bloodlines take 52 issues to tell?


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Dumb as those stories were I believe those crossovers were more coherent.

I cant read Countdown. And does Countdown really even tell a story or is it just the induction scene of the final act?

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I'm with stephbarton. Those crossovers lasted a few months not a whole year.

You know I liked the minis that spinned out pre-Infinity Crisis, IC, 52, and Countdown. But the actual year long series of Countdown? blah.

I wouldn't have minded a Karate Kid mini, a Harley/Catwoman mini, a Piper/Trickster mini, a 12 issue Donna, Jason and Kyle series, etc.

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i firmly believe that countdown was nothing more then a ploy because 52 did so well, and i also believe the idea of 52 is a good idea that was executed badly. a new comic every week is a good idea, but only if it amounts to something


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yes but did Genesis or Bloodlines take 52 issues to tell?
No, but Bloodlines did give the Legion "Jamm," and that annual had about 26 issues of concentrated stupid in it.

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No, but Bloodlines did give the Legion "Jamm," and that annual had about 26 issues of concentrated stupid in it.[/QB]
Thanks for reminding me of that dreck. lol

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From the weekly Newarama Countdown Column

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Mike Carlin: The way we see it is that Karate Kid caught the virus while visiting his past (our present) but HIS bloodstream with all it’s future-antibiotics and nanites and stuff mutated the virus and caused the other Legionnaires to leave Karate Kid behind. But, yeah, the past and future and multiverse are the playground we’ve been working with.
So Brainy left him to die in the 21st century with a temporal anomalous disease caused by their time travel that could wipe out history when in the 31st century a school child could likely cure his team-mate? This makes sense how?

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No, but Bloodlines did give the Legion "Jamm," and that annual had about 26 issues of concentrated stupid in it.
Thanks for reminding me of that dreck. lol [/QB]
No kidding! smile Things like this make me realize why I only buy Legion and the occasional other book (like the current Action story).

I almost had a bad freakout when Bloodlines and Genesis were mentioned!


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[b]Mike Carlin: The way we see it is that Karate Kid caught the virus while visiting his past (our present) but HIS bloodstream with all it’s future-antibiotics and nanites and stuff mutated the virus and caused the other Legionnaires to leave Karate Kid behind. But, yeah, the past and future and multiverse are the playground we’ve been working with.
So Brainy left him to die in the 21st century with a temporal anomalous disease caused by their time travel that could wipe out history when in the 31st century a school child could likely cure his team-mate? This makes sense how?[/b]
Keith Giffen was the Story Consultant on Countdown #6. I think that's all you need to know.

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sorry to jump off the keith Giffen sucks line

but i noticed something odd in the action 858 and forgive me for pointing this out if it has been but they go back in time to give super man a flight ring, shouldn't those have not been invented yet?


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