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Originally posted by Pariscub: Originally posted by doublechinner:
[b]As someone probably mentioned on the subject before, the whole Shooter off/Shooter on thing smacks of an anti-Shooter person feeding stuff to LITG. Given Shooter's rep, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the day-to-day relationship with him were a bit tempestuous. Threats to leave/going on strike whatever. And most of the creators I have seen resent the hell out of Johnston and his methods...speficially one Mark Waid. So because Johnston prints an untruth or unconfirmed rumour it's up to someone else come and clean up his mess so they won't be damaged by Johnson's irresponsibility? How about Johnson acting like a responsible journalist and getting confirmation...and cleaning up his own messes? Johnston creates trouble, out of nothing, and they have to stop eveerything they are doing to clean it up? And if he doesn't take the time to do that...how about people don't treat him as a reliable journalist or credible source of information, since he isn't one? And instead treat him, and his information, like the rumor monger, and spreader of unconfirmed and unreliable information, that he actually is... That would infuriate me if I were a creator and I would do everything in my power to permanently discredit him, so I wouldn't have to waste my time cleaning up messes he creates. I mean who is Rich Johnston and what has he done? Speculate at conventions? I'd have never respond to his rumors, especially the ones that weren't true..I'd let him discredit himself and say nothing.
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Originally posted by Superboy:
Waid looks at the retcons of the original Legion, the cool fun retcon eras...that work great as retcons, but were never actual published eras, and he tries to write those eras...and it's just not the same.
The ZH Legion? You could say it was an all new Legion...but you could also say it was an attempt to chronicle a Pre-Superboy era of the original Legion(with just enough twists thrown into to call it all new)...which existed as a retcon in the original continuity, but never an actual published era.
The Threeboot? Same thing, only intead of starting from scratch, he tried to start it as the original Legion was started, with an unchronicled early era, in progress...but still, the Pre-Superboy era.
Supergirl? He was trying to chronicle the retcon era of the original Legon when Supergirl was a member before Superboy.
Yeah he's tweaked a few things...but basically what he's done...is attempted to write all these Superboyless eras that were retconned into the origional Legion.
These things worked great as retcons, they are wonderfully inventive, and added so much mystique to the original...but they were never published eras originally...and there was a reason for that...becuase Mort Weisenger didn't think it would sell...and Waid has pretty much proven Mort was right. Trancending eras and audiences in the process. I don't think I've ever looked at it quite that way before. When I once said I liked the idea (inspired by the threeboot) of a Legion who didn't start out as superheroes, I subsequently realized that the chronicling of their story would have to start not with the founding of the team but just before they begin real heroics. Not all segments of a fictional history are equally interesting.
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Originally posted by Triplicate Kid: Originally posted by Superboy:
[b]Waid looks at the retcons of the original Legion, the cool fun retcon eras...that work great as retcons, but were never actual published eras, and he tries to write those eras...and it's just not the same.
The ZH Legion? You could say it was an all new Legion...but you could also say it was an attempt to chronicle a Pre-Superboy era of the original Legion(with just enough twists thrown into to call it all new)...which existed as a retcon in the original continuity, but never an actual published era.
The Threeboot? Same thing, only intead of starting from scratch, he tried to start it as the original Legion was started, with an unchronicled early era, in progress...but still, the Pre-Superboy era.
Supergirl? He was trying to chronicle the retcon era of the original Legon when Supergirl was a member before Superboy.
Yeah he's tweaked a few things...but basically what he's done...is attempted to write all these Superboyless eras that were retconned into the origional Legion.
These things worked great as retcons, they are wonderfully inventive, and added so much mystique to the original...but they were never published eras originally...and there was a reason for that...becuase Mort Weisenger didn't think it would sell...and Waid has pretty much proven Mort was right. Trancending eras and audiences in the process. ... How terrifyingly accurate. Reboot could still have its place after the Clubhouse era of "before beginning real heroics", and Threeboot taking place months, possibly a year after Reboot's IC cataclysm. And since Jim Shooter's Legion is slowly deviating from WKRP's roots, I'd say he's doing reimaginings of the Cockrum/Grell era. Come to think of it, someone shared a similar idea already.  As much as it can be pictured as a jigsaw puzzle, it might as well be larceny, as you old-timers probably wouldn't want any part of Reboot and Threeboot to be mixed into the classic's history...
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Originally posted by Superboy:
I mean who is Rich Johnston and what has he done? Speculate at conventions?
I'd have never respond to his rumors, especially the ones that weren't true..I'd let him discredit himself and say nothing. YEah, I agree - who the hell cares what some attention-mongering dweeb posts on the internet. I seems to me that the guy wants to make as splash in the pond. The Matt Drudge of the comics world, if you will...
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Here's the link to the L3W #3 cover - http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080721-dc-solicitations.html Oh my gosh...now I have changed my mind and am going to buy all L3W two each...one for reading and one to take with me to SDCC next year and have George Perez sign all those covers so I can frame it on the wall! Loved how all versions of Cosmic Boy are on the cover! Can't wait to see what Perez have in his mind with Garth Ranzz's!
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One cover's got Imra with 3 heads, the other had two Rokks trapped in the other's hands... what's missing? Reboot Garth and Threebot Garth shooting lightning bolts while hanging upside-down from big Garth's armpits! 
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However, that really doesn't look like a George Pérez art. Weird.
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Originally posted by Superboy:
How about Johnson acting like a responsible journalist and getting confirmation...and cleaning up his own messes? Actually he does that very often.
And if he doesn't take the time to do that...how about people don't treat him as a reliable journalist or credible source of information, since he isn't one?
I mean who is Rich Johnston and what has he done? Speculate at conventions?
He's actually a British journalist and a writer, among others.
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Echoing Pariscub, Rich is actually one of teh most reliabel jounralists in the comics field. He makes a point of trying to get confirmation of any rumours and always treats unknown sources as being less than reliable (hence the whole traffic lights system). He has got things wrong in the past but he does admit it when it's happened and I know first hand that there are major stories that he's known about but hasn't published because he's been asked not to or because he doesn;t think it's appropriate.
Granted some creators don't like him because of stuff he's reported but very few have any reason to not like him because he published something not true. He's an incredibly gracious and pleasant man and one of the nicest people you're likely to meet in the world of comics. Big name creators and editors and the like are sometimes a little guarded around him because he does pick up on things very quickly but the likes of Patty Jeres, Bob Wayne and Shelley Bond all clearly think a lot of him (or are *very* good at pretending to like him to his face if they don't).
The Shooter thing does sound like it's a case of the whole story not being known and rumours and half-truths abounding but I doubt we'll find out teh full story. To slam Rich when he's far less of a gossip-monger than the majority of other comic book reporters is to do him a huge disservice.
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Another Newsarama interview with Geoff Johns here . And a Comicon.com interview with George Perez here .
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Wouldn't it be a shock if Brainy's rod housed another character who died during COIE. ![[Linked Image]](http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t179/timpatrick67/Supergirlcrisis07.jpg) Barry's already back,Earth Two's back,The Pre-Crisis Legion's back, why not the Earth One Pre-Crisis Supergirl.
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Lone Wolf - it sure sounds like a possibility, but I tend to think Superboy will be retconned into continuity again. Not only they seem to be sticking with the current Supergirl for real this time, but Superboy would be the link with Teen Titans that Johns mentions in his interview, which was otherwise kinda bland.
I don't understand why journalists from the comic book world do not address the serious questions (like: why is Shooter kept off the loop? Why a different editor than Marts?).
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i do wonder if there's a silverage Earth 1 universe out there...
Bring back the super-cousins
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Spoiler from the Legion panel from Geoff Johns. Una becomes <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Multiple Damsel by splitting into hundreds of Lu.</span></span>
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Sounds more like <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">She's meant to be the WAKboot Lu...?</span></span>
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And hey, wasn't she eaten by rats during COUNTDOWN , besides? 
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Well, the new Chuch Taine when he shows better have super stamina.
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LL,
I've stumped that change for ages. Don't love Johns' proposed codename though. I'd prefer <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Multi-Maid, or Miss Infinity</span></span> .
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the second one. The first seems too porno.
Maybe it's just me.
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Perez said, "When I was working on the different eras of the Legion, I would evoke the artists who were the most established ones at that point in time. These three versions of the Legion are very different, especially the current one. Barry Kitson and Francis Manapul are totally different artists, so distinctly different that I had to find a middle ground to make this 'present' version of the Legion diverse."  I can see that. Cos and Saturn Girl have a very Chris Sprouse influenced look in the lower left and T-Wolf has the striped hair from the Legion Worlds story. In the lower center Shadow Lass and Sun Boy are pure Murphy Anderson but Phantom Girl is Mike Grell all the way. Phantom Girl in the lower right is definitely Kitson but that U Boy and Colossal Boy are probably the current versions in the book. I like that a lot. Now that I know he's making that kind of effort I'll certainly look for his easter eggs as I read through it. Very cool.
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There's a major spoiler that we learned from a source(s) that stopped by the SDCC Legion World table on Friday. (Don't want to reveal whom it was) <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> The Super-Villains are given flight rings from Superboy-Prime...we (the few of us at the table...sorry I don't remember who all were there at the time) were asked what color they should be and all agreed on Silver to contrast with the Heroes' gold rings. Shhh! I promised not to say anything about this. </span></span>
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
Spoiler from the Legion panel from Geoff Johns. Una becomes <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Multiple Damsel by splitting into hundreds of Lu.</span></span> I'm intrigued by this... although the codename is definitely clunky. How about Multiple Miss instead? I like the Miss Infinity suggestion too.
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Actually...I heard it as Duplicate Damsel.
And Kabir says that's how he heard it as well.
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Is that about it for LSH news? This tidbit and the Mattel action figure 4-packs?
Pretty disappointing, considering that the Legion was the cover image for the program (how'd those turn out, by the way?)
I guess the panels must've been more nostalgic than forward-looking.
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Yeah, I'm disappointed that there has been no comment anywhere about the Legion panel yesterday. Guess no news came from it.
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