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That makes me very happy. While I love L.E.G.I.O.N. I think the name just makes things confusing. And while I like the Legion elements I prefer not to have too many Legion elements, IMO.

Just for the record: I like Beyonder Prime's passion, he brings some heat to the discussion. We have a long habit of disecting, inspecting, often rejecting in long drawn out prose full of reasons, histories and old prejudices but BP says what he thinks and lays his displeasure down harsh.

That's NEW school.

I won't stay involved in a discussion that becomes a "flamewar" but Beyonder did ask me to reply to his comments and I did, and there hasn't been a response yet.

My whole point has been that it isn't right to spout off all of those negative comments and not back them up.

I myself have spouted off negative comments about the current run (mostly having to do with Dreamy). If anyone would like to discuss those issues further, I'd be happy to.

Beyonder, where'd you go?

I was busy, mostly in other matters, sometimes on the "official" DC board.

Furthermore, I left this board back then specifically because of this thread, because I realized that both sides of the "pro-5YL/anti-5YL" fence were wrong.

I couldn't handle keeping my hatred/contempt for 5YL for myself, nor was I able to moderate it, or even phrase whatever beef I have with it abit more "politically correctly".

And the 5YLaters, of course couldn't handle my harsh verdict of it, and seemed to think anything from me wanting to "bash" their favorite Legion era for the sheer hell of it to me being a possible troll (at least, that's what I got from the comments about "mutual respect", "flamewars" and so on), so I thought it better to leave this board for a while.

That said, I still harbor the same opinions. Is there a board on this forum where one can debatte FREELY (in whatever "language"/level of politeness) without having the other side of the argument constantly haul in stuff like "mutual respect" etc. whenever you're stating pointly whatever you dislike about their favorite?

Otherwise, it probably makes more sense to continue any pro/contra debattes about 5YL on the official DC board? There, we RARELY bother about etiquette...

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Beyonder-Prime:

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...That said, I still harbor the same opinions...

Well, you can post what you want, I guess. Just don't be surprised if your bluntness and penchant for black/white absolutes nets you nothing more than a whole lot of silence from some people.

I haven't really got anything to "debate" with somebody who starts from the position that Levitz "ruined" the book. That's where I started with the series and without that era, I wouldn't even be here.

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...Otherwise, it probably makes more sense to continue any pro/contra debates about 5YL on the official DC board? There, we RARELY bother about etiquette

Well, if the free-for-all style is what you want, go for it. I had my fill of it years ago, personally. Boards are kind of like neighborhood bars in that sense. If one doesn't satisfy you, you'll probably have better luck looking around for another one more to your taste rather than trying to change the character of the one you're on now.

Well, I wouldn't say that the official DC board is more satisfying to me, but for certain topics, it seems to be better than other boards.

Well, that's another thing. No one board can be all things to everyone. I've seen some try, but it never works for very long.

The last time I ducked onto one of those other comics boards for Round #752 of Whether or Not 5YG Was the Worst Thing To Hit Western Civ Since The Hindenberg, I ran away screaming after ten minutes of lurking.

And I haven't even read more than three issues of 5YG at this point. I'd like to, just to have an original opinion on it, one way or the other.

But I'm too old for the no-holds-barred thing. It doesn't appeal to me anymore.

Well to everybody his own.

I'm highly passionate about the Legion, and hence, don't suffer abonimations of it very well.
That said, maybe you should have taken a hint from the "752 Rounds of Whether or Not 5YG Was the Worst Thing To Hit Western Civ Since The Hindenberg"? Maybe we *know* what we're talking about? Maybe the fact that there's such bad will against it (compared to that, the bad will against the dead of Suprboy seems like a footnote) confirms my claims that 5YL was the legion's worst period? Else, why the enmity toward it, not just by me but by most who aren't directly fans of it?

But a question. You said you read only 3 issues of 5YL-- why did you try to debatte it if you *lack* the information neccessary to comment on it?

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If you go into every discussion starting from that point, a lot of people are going to get rubbed the wrong way. If you want to live with that, fine. In general, I've found it sets a bad tone to tell anyone that something they're obviously fond of is "an abomination."

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That said, maybe you should have taken a hint from the "752 Rounds of Whether or Not 5YG Was the Worst Thing To Hit Western Civ Since The Hindenberg"? Maybe we *know* what we're talking about?

A lot of the people on that thread were incredibly vicious and rude. They made personal attacks against the posters with whom they disagreed. So excuse me for not thinking they were doing such great advertising for their own POV.

During the time this stuff was originally being published, I'd soured on the Big Two altogether and wasn't reading anything they produced. But that was over twenty years ago, and sometimes people's perspective changes over time. So, yeah. I'd still like to read it and judge for myself.

Also, rest assured that on the board I'm thinking of, there was pretty much a 50/50 split between the camps who had a favorable impression of it and those who did not. I think this is what the website TVTropes calls, "A Broken Base."

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But a question. You said you read only 3 issues of 5YL-- why did you try to debate it if you *lack* the information neccessary to comment on it?

Dude, I'll talk to you if you can avoid biting my head off, but seriously. Read what I wrote. I said that I lurked in the discussion. I didn't comment on the discussion. I just read it for a couple of pages. This was late in 2008.

The issues of 5YG that I checked out were months after my visit to that particular board. I was flat broke for a huge portion of the last two years. I scraped the three issues in question from somebody's discount bin for six bucks total-- just a couple of months ago when I was feeling flush. I hope the chronology is a little clearer to you now.

I didn't "bait" anybody's head off. I was just wondering because that behavior seemed to be comparable to people who read like 50 Thor books and 3 Superman books and then wanted to debate the finer points of their respective mythoi.

But if you were *only* lurking without planing to engage, it's a moot point anyway.

As to the rest:Well, it's a free world. If some quarters have a problem with my considering their fetish "dirty" and an "abonimation" or whatever and me frankly saying so, maybe they should go hold hands with each other on the Sailor Moon or Strawberry Shortcake boards, don't you think so too?

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...If some quarters have a problem with my considering their fetish "dirty" and an "abomination" or whatever and me frankly saying so, maybe they should go hold hands with each other on the Sailor Moon or Strawberry Shortcake boards, don't you think so too?

Policing the fetishes of total strangers on the internet? Uh, no thanks. I like to eat, sleep, and get out of the house once in a while. That's really not the kind of full-time job I'm looking for, even if somebody was willing to pay me for it.

Wow! Almost totally missed this one!
Sketch fighting back.
It leaves me almost speechless!

And I can see why YK is so missed.
What a wonderful approach and reasoning he had.
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I've had lots of likes and dislikes about the various Legion eras over the years.
Certainly, I've had favorites, but those really fall into story arcs and certain characters, rather than eras.

I loved the stories centered around Shadow Lass and the other girls (silly though they sometimes were, looking back), the Fatal Five/Suneater, Darkseid, Universo/Rond, Miracle Machine.

Later on, the Revenge for Superboy/Time Trapper and Shady trying to save Lar, the new Fatal Five with the gals, the Ferro brother Annual, the twin's birth, Universo and the 5 with will, Sensor vs the Eye, even the Magic Wars.
And yes, Proty Garth made sense to me.

TMK favs were Lar/Trapper, Mordruverse, Mysa's rescue (although I hated her marriage and abuse and Rond's death), Laurel Gand and baby, Rokk and Lydda (with the unrealized Lord of Order baby possibilities), Jo's struggles back in time, I loved the clones and Cera and the McCauley's new Fatal Five.

Reboot, sorry, my favorite era because I loved Umbra, Lyrl, Gates, XS, Mysa, Vi, Nura, Naga, so many others, and the stories that created them. DNA's Damned and LOST are absolute loves, even though I hated Jan's insanity and death, along with Garth's (whom I saw as just developing, like Jan, into someone I really liked.}

The 3boot had Barry Kitson on art and the Dominator and Elyson stories that were interesting, although I disliked the 'kid/adult hating each other' idea and Querl as Vril.

Shooter's Legion Applicant story was good and Francis was great.

And I'm going to enjoy this era, too.
The Adventure stories are okay on their own (especially Brek & Dirk), but I LOVE them with the Superman/Lar series and the Espionage Squad stuff.

I also enjoy .REBELS and it's contribution to Dawnstar's mythos (a much earlier beginning for Starhaven, etc,) and the presentation of a new and wonderful Brainiac 3.

Anyway, I'm story oriented rather than era loyal.

The point I'm making is that I feel a passionate love for the Legion.
I always have.
I just want to get the most out of that love that I can, rather than fuming about things like 'eras'.
(And I fought passionately for Jan not to be the Progenitor on the DC boards until the issue came out where he was irretrieveably gone. sigh)

I save 'hating' for real world things, like the Haitians not getting supplies like they should and my 18 year old granddaughter being lost on Meth (hopefully only for the time being) and the whales either starving to death or being killed by the whalers.
I save 'hate' and 'abomination' for stuff like that.

My advice is to pick your fights wisely and have them actually MEAN something.

I'll never bring my posting numbers up like that!
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Candle:

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...I save 'hating' for real world things, like the Haitians not getting supplies like they should and my 18 year old granddaughter being lost on Meth (hopefully only for the time being) and the whales either starving to death or being killed by the whalers...

Yeah, I pretty much agree. But very sorry to hear about your granddaughter.

I try not to constantly fly off the handle like I used to, even on those "meaningful" boards. RL is tough enough. I don't go online for strife most days. I go online to get away from strife.

Also, I remember some of the really idiotically rude stuff I wrote in to various comics outlets back in the pre-internet days. I sincerely hope that nobody else does.

Well, Candle, I love the Reboot Legion too.

And there are more important things than collecting postings to rise up in levels.

Thanks for the well wishes for my grand daughter, cleome.
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And I'm glad you liked the reboot, B-PCL.
I find myself apologizing for loving them, quite a bit, but oh well.

I was just kidding about the posting thing.
I didn't even know there was such a thing until yeaterday!

The LW Top 40 "posting thing" is just for fun. No one is under any obligation to participate or even encouraged to post just for the sake of increasing his or her post count.

Now you tell me!

Well, your contract is different, Dev. It states (in the fine print) that you MUST post reviews of 5YL and anything else you deem reviewable until you reach Time Trapper status.