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Posted By: Invisible Brainiac JSA++ Idol! (We have a Winner!) - 08/09/16 01:30 AM
After Emily Sivana's fun and successful batch of Villain idols, let's switch it up a bit and do another Hero Idol!

For now, I want to get feedback on the characters for inclusion in this Idol. The theme is Justice Society and related teams (Infinity Inc., All-Star Squadron, Freedom Fighters, Seven Soldiers of Victory, Young All-Stars...)

The concept of an Idol game is that players get to vote for their FAVORITES, instead of voting for the characters they most want off the list.

In my Hero Idols, players have to rank their faves. The higher the rank, the more points a character gets. So your rank 1 might get 10 points, but rank 2 only gets 8, and so on. My rules are a bit different from Emily's.

Idol games typically produce lots of surprises. Many "popular" characters have been eliminated in the first few rounds of past games, while some relatively obscure or underdog characters have made it to the top (just look at the list of past winners below)!

For those not familiar, you may check out previous Idol games. Rules vary slightly but the concept is the same. In order of recency -

Justice League Idol (Winner: Barry Allen)
Titans Idol (Winner: Kole)
Multiverse Legion Idol (Winner: Kinetix)
Reboot Legion Idol (Winner: Triad)
Preboot Legion Idol (Winner: White Witch)

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't actively encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Superman
2) Maya
3) Elongated Man
4) Green Lantern (Pre-Flashpoint)

I'll only count the votes for Maya and Elongated Man. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for JLU Superman vs. Pre Flashpoint Superman, or whether you're voting for Hal, Kyle, Guy or John.


This pre-game round is to allow us to finalize the list of characters for the game. For obvious reasons, once we get past the first couple of rounds we can't just add characters to the list smile If you have any characters/realities you want to add, post here. Because the first rounds usually see massive eliminations, I'll be lenient in allowing characters to be added. The only criterion is the character has to be a member of a JSA-related team; honorary and reserve members are welcome, as are characters closely associated with the Soeciety whose membership is arguable (e.g. some sources would say that Ma Hunkel was never a member, but I think there are enough reasons to ler her in. Others would say that the Shade is a villain and should be excluded, but he has aided the JSA on occasion.)

As of now I have seven different Super-Teams:

Justice Society
Infinity Inc.
All-Star Squadron
SSoSV
Freedom Fighters
Young All-Stars
Squadron of Justice

But I am only including Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint versions. The JSA has been through so many retcons Pre-Flashpoint that I think trying to sort through all the versions would be too much work. Instead, I suggest we make our list of characters as inclusive as possible.

My initial list, sorted by the character's "main" team. (let me know if you have comments on the sorting, sometimes I think I should sort by code name instead as so many of these characters were members of multiple teams):

Team Version Character
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Arak, Son of Thunder
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawk (Janos Prohaska)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Baker)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Boris)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Chop-Chop)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Chuck)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Hendrickson)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Miss Fear)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Stanislaus)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blackhawks (Zeg)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Marvel Jr.
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Fireball
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Kuei
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Little Miss Redhead
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mary Marvel
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Phantasmo
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Silent Knight
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Speed Saunders
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Strong Bow
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Super-Chief
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tiger
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tor, the Magic Master
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Trigger Twins
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Valda the Iron Maiden
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doll Man (Lester Colt)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Firebrand (Andre Twist)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Human Bomb (Andy Franklin)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Invisible Hood (Ken Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Phantom Lady (Stormy Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Ray (Stan Silver)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Bee (Jenna Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Torpedo
(Freedom Fighters) (Pre-Flashpoint) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Empathy
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Everyman
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Fury (Erik Storn)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Jade (Nicki Jones)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Matrix (Sierra)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Nuklon (Gerome McKenna)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Skyman (Jacob Colby)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Trajectory
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Accountable (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Anna Fortune
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Adam
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Cyclone
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Damage
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Darknight
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Eclipso (Bruce Gordon)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) King Chimera
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Lightning
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Magog
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss America
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Ri
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Roxy
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Shade
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Stargirl
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Bulletman
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Commando Yank
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Ibis the Invincible
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Minute-Man
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Phantom Eagle
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Spy Smasher (Alan Armstrong)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Adam Strange
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Alias the Spider
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Billy Gunn
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Boy Blue
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Bulleteer
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Deadman
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Frankenstein
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Gimmix
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) I, Spyder
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mento
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Metamorpho
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Shining Knight (Gardner Grayle)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Stuff the Chinatown Kid
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Wing
(SSoSV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Neptune Perkins
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tsunami


Let me know if you want to make additions, omissions or have any other comments.

Looking forward to the game and to the discussion that is sure to come from it!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 05:57 PM
I think you might need to classify them a bit differently, since most of them are Pre-Flashpoint. You might want to put Golden/Silver/Bronze for the DC characters. I would also use the name of the original company for the Pre-Crisis versions of the ones purchased from other companies; as there was little crossover until the Crisis.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 07:49 PM
I am not sure I want to go and distinguish the Pre Flashpoint versions. Were the characters that different between the Gold, Silver and Bronze?

I am open to it though as we did that for Bat-Villain Idol.

But I will need help determining which characters to split.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 09:12 PM
There were definite differences between Gold/Silver and the Bronze Age, at least how I define it. Actually forget about ages, just split Pre and Post Crisis creations. That would be a good idea so people know they are looking at a newer character at a glance.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 10:12 PM
Do you mean split characters who were created Pre Crisis from characters who were created Post Crisis? (i.e. I will mark Cyclone and Lightning as Post Crisis because they were created post 1985, but Ma Hunkel is Pre Crisis because she was created before)

Or do you mean splitting a certain character into Pre Crisis version and Post Crisis version? (i.e. separate entries for Pre Crisis Alan Scott and Post Crisis Alan Scott)?
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 10:27 PM
Yes, when they were created.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 11:04 PM
I would take out the (Pre-Flashpoint) identifier since most of them are already from that reality and it makes the names too long.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/10/16 11:48 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Do you mean split characters who were created Pre Crisis from characters who were created Post Crisis? (i.e. I will mark Cyclone and Lightning as Post Crisis because they were created post 1985, but Ma Hunkel is Pre Crisis because she was created before)



Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
Yes, when they were created.


I'm not sure we need this. The point of the identifier is to let us know which version of a character that is, as just indicating real names and code names might not be able to tell us which is which.

Some people might gravitate towards certain characters, but we could just link to Wikipedia to show the dates each one joined the JSA.

Originally Posted by Blacula
I would take out the (Pre-Flashpoint) identifier since most of them are already from that reality and it makes the names too long.


Sounds good. I can just leave the Post-Flashpoint identifier, then.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 12:18 AM
Are you leaving out the Earth-2 Society series characters purposefully?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 05:55 AM
What is the Earth-2 Society series? Is that different from the New 52 JSA (already on the list)? Could you send me a link to a list, Myg?
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 05:38 PM
Wouldn't it be fair to say that Pre-Crisis Power Girl was different from Post-Crisis? Her origin kept changing constantly. The same goes for any Wonder Woman related characters.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 06:53 PM
Yes, I was saying that I believe it is a good idea to differentiate versions of the same character (i.e. same real name and same code name) (e.g. Pre Crisis Power Girl and Post Crisis Power Girl) where it makes sense. (what I need help with is deciding which characters to differentiate, and which versions to split them into.)

But I understood your reply as saying I should differentiate different characters by citing the era they were created, because you replied to my example with a YES. And my example cited Cyclone (Maxine Hunkel) and Ma Hunkel, who are definitely different characters.

Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Do you mean split characters who were created Pre Crisis from characters who were created Post Crisis? (i.e. I will mark Cyclone and Lightning as Post Crisis because they were created post 1985, but Ma Hunkel is Pre Crisis because she was created before)



Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
Yes, when they were created.


That is what I don't agree with as it makes the entries far too long. And by including real names, we can easily tell Ma Hunkel apart from Maxine Hunkel.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 07:09 PM
Sorry, I just wanted to give the simplest answer possible to prevent any arguments (which failed). I'm just going to go with the flow for now on with this game; I'll just vote for the ones I recognize then.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 07:15 PM
I'm sorry if I seemed argumentative, Emily. I just wanted to understand what you were suggesting, so we can discuss. Again, I agree that it would be good to differentiate versions of a character where it makes sense - but I would need suggestions on which characters to do that for (like your suggestions of Power Girl and Wonder Woman, both of which are very welcome).
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/11/16 07:39 PM
I spoke with Emily offline, and she shares that some younger players might not be familiar with many of the characters on the list. Which is a good point. Many of the non-JSAers, such as All Star Squadron members, I do not know.

I'll be adding these to the main list - links to the teams I included.

All-Star Squadron
Freedom Fighters
Infinity Inc.
Justice Society of America
Squadron of Justice
SSoSV / Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/16/16 09:46 AM
How far into different continuities do we want to go? The Freedom Fighters in Multiversity would be different versions.

What about Elseworlds Versions like in the "Golden Age" Mini.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/16/16 11:13 AM
I'm OK with adding different continuities and Elseworlds versions, but I'm not sure which ones. We can make the list as long as we want, but I would need suggestions. Most characters probably won't survive the first 2-3 rounds anyway.

The Golden Age mini sounds like a good one - some of the characters had very different characterizations there.

I just read up on the Multiversity Freedom fighters, and there are only 7 (?) of them so they would not add much to the list.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 05:22 AM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
How far into different continuities do we want to go? The Freedom Fighters in Multiversity would be different versions.

What about Elseworlds Versions like in the "Golden Age" Mini.
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I'm OK with adding different continuities and Elseworlds versions, but I'm not sure which ones. We can make the list as long as we want, but I would need suggestions. Most characters probably won't survive the first 2-3 rounds anyway.

The Golden Age mini sounds like a good one - some of the characters had very different characterizations there.

I just read up on the Multiversity Freedom fighters, and there are only 7 (?) of them so they would not add much to the list.


I added characters from these two. For Golden Age, I only added those with significant screen time (many others made cameos with few or no lines, so I didn't think there was a point to adding them).

(Elsewords: Golden Age) Americommando (Tex Thompson)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Thunder
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tarantula
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Black Condor
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Man
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Woman
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Human Bomb
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Phantom Lady
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Ray
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Uncle Sam
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 07:16 AM
I'd argue the Earth-S Captain Marvel is significantly different than the one from the post-Zero Hour JSA and should get his own entry in the All-Star Squadron (like Mary and Freddy).
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 07:26 AM
Sounds good. In he goes.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 09:02 AM
Also, would the Justice Society Infintiy (Post-IC Earth 2) warrant their own entries, or just the unique ones like Hourwoman and the Garret Sandford Sandman?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 09:46 AM
They only appeared in a couple of stories, I believe. This is the team that showed up when Power Girl vanished after IC, right? And then they kidnapped her and accused her of being their PG's impostor?

I'd include unique ones and the ones with big roles in the stories they appeared in...

... but that might be hard to differentiate. Eh, let's just include all of them.

Can you confirm if This is the team you mean?
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 09:54 AM
That's the one.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 09:55 AM
Thanks. I've added them to the list.

I wonder, is there also merit in splitting Hector Hall for the "canon"/"main" timeline? I can enter him once as JSA member Doctor Fate, and once as Infinity Inc member Silver Scarab.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 10:07 AM
And once as the Sandman?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 10:31 AM
Didn't realize he spent time as Sandman. But when he was Sandman, did he join any of the teams represented here? If not I think we should exclude that identity.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 05:50 PM
I don't think he was Sandman for very long, so you might want to take that into consideration too.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/25/16 06:31 PM
Thanks, Emily. I read up on it to check, and I am inclined to exclude the Sandman identity. I am only kncluding his Silver Scarab and Dr. Fate identities separately because they are so different and because they were part of different teams.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/26/16 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
Are you leaving out the Earth-2 Society series characters purposefully?
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
What is the Earth-2 Society series? Is that different from the New 52 JSA (already on the list)? Could you send me a link to a list, Myg?


Myg confirmed that he was referring to the current book set on Earth-2.

I already included a few on the list, but realized there were more.

So I took the characters already on the list...

(Justice Society) (New 52) Accountable (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)

And added...

(Justice Society) (New 52) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Big Barda
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Gren Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Miracle (Scott Free)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Torpedo
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (New 52) Ted Grant
(Justice Society) (New 52) The Great Beast (Yolanda Montez)

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/26/16 08:34 PM
The updated list now contains 293 entries.

I will leave this up for a few days so you all can take a last look and give your comments.

Teams represented:

Three versions of the JSA

Justice Society of America
JSA of New 52
JSA of Earth-2 Post-IC *note - included everyone in the picture

Two versions of the Freedom Fighters

Freedom Fighters
FF Multiversity


Other "core reality" teams

All-Star Squadron
Infinity Inc.
Squadron of Justice
SSoSV / Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars

One "Elseworlds" reality

Elseworlds: The Golden Age

*note - only included those with speaking parts or significant characterization in the story

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The full list:

(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) Arak, Son of Thunder
(All-Star Squadron) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawk (Janos Prohaska)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Baker)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Boris)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chop-Chop)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chuck)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Hendrickson)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Miss Fear)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Stanislaus)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Zeg)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Fireball
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Kuei
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) Little Miss Redhead
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) Phantasmo
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Silent Knight
(All-Star Squadron) Speed Saunders
(All-Star Squadron) Strong Bow
(All-Star Squadron) Super-Chief
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Tor, the Magic Master
(All-Star Squadron) Trigger Twins
(All-Star Squadron) Valda the Iron Maiden
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Americommando (Tex Thompson)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Thunder
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tarantula
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Black Condor
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Man
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Woman
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Human Bomb
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Phantom Lady
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Ray
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Uncle Sam
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Lester Colt)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Andre Twist)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Andy Franklin)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Ken Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Stormy Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Stan Silver)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Jenna Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Torpedo
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Empathy
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Everyman
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Fury (Erik Storn)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Jade (Nicki Jones)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Matrix (Sierra)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Nuklon (Gerome McKenna)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Skyman (Jacob Colby)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Trajectory
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Big Barda
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Impossible (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Gren Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Miracle (Scott Free)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Torpedo
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Ted Grant
(Justice Society) (New 52) The Great Beast (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hourwoman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Northwind
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Sandman (Garrett Sanford)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Anna Fortune
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Darknight
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Bruce Gordon)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Lightning
(Justice Society) Magog
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Ri
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Roxy
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Shade
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(Squadron of Justice) Commando Yank
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(Squadron of Justice) Minute-Man
(Squadron of Justice) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) Phantom Eagle
(Squadron of Justice) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(Squadron of Justice) Spy Smasher (Alan Armstrong)
(SSoSV) Adam Strange
(SSoSV) Alias the Spider
(SSoSV) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoSV) Billy Gunn
(SSoSV) Boy Blue
(SSoSV) Bulleteer
(SSoSV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoSV) Deadman
(SSoSV) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoSV) Frankenstein
(SSoSV) Gimmix
(SSoSV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoSV) I, Spyder
(SSoSV) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoSV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoSV) Mento
(SSoSV) Metamorpho
(SSoSV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoSV) Shining Knight (Gardner Grayle)
(SSoSV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoSV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoSV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoSV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoSV) Stuff the Chinatown Kid
(SSoSV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoSV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoSV) Wing
(SSoSV) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Neptune Perkins
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/26/16 11:16 PM
Myg tells me that this guy:

(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)

Was a villain. So off the list he goes.
Posted By: Elvar Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/27/16 06:36 AM
None of the TV versions of the JSA where considered?

Batman: The Brave and the Bold
Black Canary, Doctor Fate, Doctor Mid-Nite, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, Hourman, Mister Terrific, Sandman, Spectre, Starman, Wildcat

Legends of Tomorrow
Citizen Steel, Doctor Mid-Nite, Hourman, Obsidian, Stargirl, Vixen (Amaya Jiwe)

Smallville
Atom, Black Canary, Doctor Fate, Doctor Mid-Nite, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hourman, Mister Terrific, Sandman, Spectre, Stargirl, Star-Spangled Kid, Wildcat
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 08/27/16 08:29 AM
I wasn't thinking of including the TV versions, but why not?

Thanks for the comprehensive list.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/03/16 08:24 PM
Time to get the ball rolling! With the TV versions added, we now have 326 entries on the list!

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/03/16 08:29 PM
Round 1 Begins!

Vote for any number characters on the list, minimum of 1, maximum of 75. NO RANKING NEEDED YET.

To proceed to Round 2, a character must have been voted for by 1/3 of the voters in this game.

So if 6 people play, 2 votes will be needed to make it to Round 2. If only 3 people play, then 1 vote will be enough.

Teams represented:

Justice Society of America
JSA of New 52
JSA of Earth-2 Post-IC *note - included everyone in the picture
Freedom Fighters
FF Multiversity
All-Star Squadron
Infinity Inc.
Squadron of Justice
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars
Elseworlds: The Golden Age
TV: Batman Brave and the Bold
TV: Smallville
TV: Legends of Tomorrow


*note - only included those with speaking parts or significant characterization in the story

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The full list:

(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) Arak, Son of Thunder
(All-Star Squadron) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawk (Janos Prohaska)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Baker)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Boris)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chop-Chop)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chuck)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Hendrickson)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Miss Fear)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Stanislaus)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Zeg)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Fireball
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Kuei
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) Little Miss Redhead
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) Phantasmo
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Silent Knight
(All-Star Squadron) Speed Saunders
(All-Star Squadron) Strong Bow
(All-Star Squadron) Super-Chief
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Tor, the Magic Master
(All-Star Squadron) Trigger Twins
(All-Star Squadron) Valda the Iron Maiden
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Americommando (Tex Thompson)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Thunder
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tarantula
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Black Condor
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Man
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Woman
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Human Bomb
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Phantom Lady
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Ray
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Uncle Sam
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Lester Colt)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Andre Twist)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Andy Franklin)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Ken Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Stormy Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Stan Silver)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Jenna Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Torpedo
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Empathy
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Everyman
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Fury (Erik Storn)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Jade (Nicki Jones)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Matrix (Sierra)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Nuklon (Gerome McKenna)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Skyman (Jacob Colby)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Trajectory
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Flash
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Starman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Wildcat
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Atom
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Citizen Steel
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Flash
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkgirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Obsidian
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Star-spangled Kid
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Vixen (Amaya Jiwe)
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Wildcat
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Big Barda
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Impossible (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Gren Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Miracle (Scott Free)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Torpedo
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Ted Grant
(Justice Society) (New 52) The Great Beast (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hourwoman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Northwind
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Sandman (Garrett Sanford)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Anna Fortune
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Darknight
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Bruce Gordon)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Lightning
(Justice Society) Magog
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Ri
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Roxy
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Shade
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(Squadron of Justice) Commando Yank
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(Squadron of Justice) Minute-Man
(Squadron of Justice) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) Phantom Eagle
(Squadron of Justice) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(Squadron of Justice) Spy Smasher (Alan Armstrong)
(SSoV) Adam Strange
(SSoV) Alias the Spider
(SSoV) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoV) Billy Gunn
(SSoV) Boy Blue
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Deadman
(SSoV) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoV) Frankenstein
(SSoV) Gimmix
(SSoV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoV) I, Spyder
(SSoV) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Mento
(SSoV) Metamorpho
(SSoV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Gardner Grayle)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoV) Stuff the Chinatown Kid
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoV) Wing
(SSoV) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Neptune Perkins
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/03/16 08:38 PM
Heh. All along I've been adding an extra S to the acronym for the Seven Soldiers of Victory, turning them into the SSoSV... Oops!

My votes:

(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Lightning
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(SSoV) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoV) Metamorpho
(SSoV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/04/16 01:17 AM
(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Torpedo
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoV) Wing
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/04/16 08:42 AM
Ha, I was wondering why the Secret Society of Super-Villans seemed to be represented (SSoSV) even though the Seven Soldiers of Victory were the ones listed. smile

Ooh, so many cool characters, I love all of Infinity, Inc. and the Young All-Stars!

(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)\
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Vixen (Amaya Jiwe)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hourwoman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Northwind
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Squadron of Justice) (Pre-Flashpoint) Bulletgirl
(SSoV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Bulleteer
(SSoV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhattan Guardian
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Neptune Perkins
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tsunami

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/04/16 09:08 AM
Only 3 votes in and I am seeing some very interesting results! Quite diverse in fact...
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/04/16 12:10 PM
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Green Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
((Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(Squadron of Justice) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoV) I, Spyder
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoV) Stuff the Chinatown Kid
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoV) Wing
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Neptune Perkins
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 05:32 AM
Fun fact: Set, Myg and I all have exactly 68 votes!

And because of Myg's vote and the power of Excel, I noticed that I misspelled New 52 Green Lantern!

Originally Posted by Set
Ha, I was wondering why the Secret Society of Super-Villans seemed to be represented (SSoSV) even though the Seven Soldiers of Victory were the ones listed. smile


I wonder how long the villains would have listed if we had added them in tongue

Sadly, it does look like a lot of my favorites will exit early. But then, maybe only a few of us read (and liked) the pre-Flashpoint JSA series.
Posted By: Xben Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 07:18 AM
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 01:33 PM
"1"s for ...

(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Frankenstein
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 1) - 09/05/16 04:07 PM
This was hard. I found myself just deleting anyone that I didn't feel they belonged on the list.


(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Mister Terrific
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(SSoV) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoV) Gimmix
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 04:41 PM
(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Speed Saunders
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 05:00 PM
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Spectre
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Sandman (Garrett Sanford)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(SSoV) Adam Strange
(SSoV) Alias the Spider
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Frankenstein
(SSoV) I, Spyder
(SSoV) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Metamorpho
(SSoV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoV) Wing
(SSoV) Zatanna
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 05:34 PM
Welcome to the game, everyone!

Emily, we can only vote for up to 75 characters this round. We still have time for you to edit your vote though. I won't be counting for another 8 to 10 hours.

Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
This was hard. I found myself just deleting anyone that I didn't feel they belonged on the list.



That's how I voted too, Emily. I don't know a lot of the Golden Age characters myself.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 05:46 PM
I've a pretty decent knowledge of the Golden Age. But I asked myself just what I was voting for. Best Golden Age character or best JSAer? Or best portrayal of the character?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 05:56 PM
As with my previous Idols, that question is one only each can answer for himself or herself... wink
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 05:59 PM
I'm kind of confused myself. Did you call it JSA Idol the same way I called the Legion Villain Idol the LSV Idol? It is called JSA Idol, but actually means all Golden Age characters?

I've already got three characters picked out for the finals, and all of them are from Johns run.

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/05/16 06:02 PM
Originally it was supposed to be JSA Idol only. Then I decided to throw in the All-Star Squadron characters. But the Squadron also includes all of the other teams you see here, and so that's how the list expanded.

This is definitely not an all-Golden Age game. If it were, the list would be much longer smile

I'm also a big fan of the Johns run (it's the only run I really read).
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 02:28 AM
Maybe call it a "Golden Age/Earth 2 Team Idol" or something?

There are lots of characters on the list who have absolutely nothing to do with the JSA and, although I like them a lot, I feel I shouldn't be voting for them because they're unrelated to the topic ("JSA"). This includes almost all of the ASS, SSoV, FF and YAS characters.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 1) - 09/06/16 05:34 AM
Golden Age is not accurate either. Perhaps we should have stuck to just the JSA, but it's a bit too late for that now. But I agree, the JSA is the "core" of the list.

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 06:12 AM
ROUND 1 RESULTS!

1/3 of votes were needed to survive this round. With 9 voters, a character needed 3 votes to make it.

Only about 30% of our original list survived this round!

Nobody got 9 votes.

8 votes (89% of the vote

(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)


7 votes (78%)

(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman

6 votes (67%)

(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)

5 votes (56%)

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro

4 votes (44%)

(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami

3 votes (33%)

(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Wing
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)


ELIMINATED FROM THE GAME:

2 votes (22%)

(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(SSoV) Frankenstein
(SSoV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoV) I, Spyder
(SSoV) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoV) Metamorpho
(SSoV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoV) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) Neptune Perkins

1 vote (11%)

(All-Star Squadron) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) Speed Saunders
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) Red Torpedo
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Vixen (Amaya Jiwe)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Green Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hourwoman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Northwind
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Sandman (Garrett Sanford)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) Lightning
(Justice Society) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Squadron of Justice) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(SSoV) Adam Strange
(SSoV) Alias the Spider
(SSoV) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoV) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoV) Gimmix
(SSoV) Stuff the Chinatown Kid

0 votes

(All-Star Squadron) Arak, Son of Thunder
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawk (Janos Prohaska)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Baker)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Boris)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chop-Chop)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chuck)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Hendrickson)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Miss Fear)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Stanislaus)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Zeg)
(All-Star Squadron) Fireball
(All-Star Squadron) Kuei
(All-Star Squadron) Little Miss Redhead
(All-Star Squadron) Phantasmo
(All-Star Squadron) Silent Knight
(All-Star Squadron) Strong Bow
(All-Star Squadron) Super-Chief
(All-Star Squadron) Tor, the Magic Master
(All-Star Squadron) Trigger Twins
(All-Star Squadron) Valda the Iron Maiden
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Americommando (Tex Thompson)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Thunder
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tarantula
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Black Condor
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Man
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Woman
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Human Bomb
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Phantom Lady
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Ray
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Uncle Sam
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Lester Colt)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Andre Twist)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Andy Franklin)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Ken Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Stormy Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Stan Silver)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Jenna Raleigh)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Empathy
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Everyman
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Fury (Erik Storn)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Jade (Nicki Jones)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Matrix (Sierra)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Nuklon (Gerome McKenna)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Skyman (Jacob Colby)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Trajectory
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Flash
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Starman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Wildcat
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Atom
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Citizen Steel
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Flash
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkgirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Obsidian
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Star-spangled Kid
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Wildcat
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Big Barda
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Impossible (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Miracle (Scott Free)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Torpedo
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Ted Grant
(Justice Society) (New 52) The Great Beast (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Anna Fortune
(Justice Society) Darknight
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Bruce Gordon)
(Justice Society) Magog
(Justice Society) Ri
(Justice Society) Roxy
(Justice Society) Shade
(Squadron of Justice) Commando Yank
(Squadron of Justice) Minute-Man
(Squadron of Justice) Phantom Eagle
(Squadron of Justice) Spy Smasher (Alan Armstrong)
(SSoV) Billy Gunn
(SSoV) Boy Blue
(SSoV) Deadman
(SSoV) Mento
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Gardner Grayle)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 06:31 AM
Round 2 Begins!

With only 99 characters left, it's time to begin ranking!

Pick 30 characters from the list, and rank them from 1 to 30. Characters will get points based on their rank, like so:

Rank Points
1 - 450
2 - 335
3 - 245
4 - 185
5 - 145
6 - 120
7 - 105
8 - 95
9 - 88
10 - 81
11 - 74
12 - 67
13 - 60
14 - 55
15 - 50
16 - 45
17 - 40
18 - 35
19 - 30
20 - 27
21 - 24
22 - 21
23 - 18
24 - 15
25 - 12
26 - 9
27 - 7
28 - 5
29 - 3
30 - 1

We will eliminate the Bottom 39 vote-getters to get to our Top 60!

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
JSA of New 52
JSA of Earth-2 Post-IC *note - included everyone in the picture
Freedom Fighters

All-Star Squadron
Infinity Inc.
Squadron of Justice
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars
Elseworlds: The Golden Age

*note - only included those with speaking parts or significant characterization in the story

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The Top 99:

(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoV) Wing
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 06:54 AM
Random musings:

Ray "Happy" Terrill is the most famous of the original Freedom Fighters to go home. Did readers hate his treatment of his son Ray? Or... something else?

Captain Marvel Jr. is also the only Earth-S Marvel to go home.

Pleasantly surprised by our two top vote-getters (though not that they are both female - females tend to do well in Idol games). You go girls!

The New 52 team was wiped out entirely...

... as were the various TV teams.

Alas, poor Lightning (Jennifer, Black Lightning's daughter). I thought she made a good trio with Cyclone and Stargirl.

Also sad that Zinda Blake went home. But I think she'd do well in a Birds of Prey game. (but then, are there enough Birds to warrant their own game?)

I also always thought Miss America had potential, and I'm a bit surprised she went home this round. I thought she'd at least last a few more rounds.

Anyway, my votes:

1 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
2 - (Justice Society) Stargirl
3 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
4 - (Justice Society) Obsidian
5 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
6 - (Justice Society) Power Girl
7 - (Justice Society) Thunderbolt
8 - (Young All-Stars) Tsunami
9 - (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
10 - (Infinity Inc.) Jade
11 - (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
12 - (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
13 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
14 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
15 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
16 - (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
17 - (Justice Society) Damage
18 - (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
19 - (Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
20 - (Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
21 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
22 - (All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
23 - (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
24 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
25 - (Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
26 - (Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
27 - (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
28 - (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
29 - (Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
30 - (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 07:47 AM
Bah, Most of my top characters eliminated in the first round (including my top pick Shilo Norman)? Morrison's Seven Soldiers were super awesome, but I can see where they would be in contrast to a lot of the Golden Agers on this list. Going to have to re-think my voting.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 07:55 AM
Yeah, the Golden Agers in general are doing really well.

If the game had a different "theme"/ if we had a different universe of heroes, a lot of the modern characters (such as Shilo!) would probably have done much better.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 08:20 AM
And while I concede Kent V. Nelson's run in Justice Society was underwhelming, his (sadly unfinished) introductory story by Steve Gerber in Countdown to Mystery was really good.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 08:30 AM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (SSoV) Bulleteer
3. (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
4. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
6. (Justice Society) Power Girl
7. (SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
8. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
9. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
10. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
11. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
12. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
13. (All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
14. (Justice Society) Captain Marvel
15. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
16. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
17. (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
18. (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
19. (All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
20. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
21. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
22. (Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
23. (Justice Society) Stargirl
24. (Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
25. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
26. (Justice Society) Thunderbolt
27. (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
28. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
29. (All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
30. (Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 08:52 AM
Ack! I hate this part of the game! It's so hard to cut 100 good characters down to 30!

1. (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
2. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
3. (All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
4. (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
5. (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
6. (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
7. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
8. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
9. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
10. (Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
11. (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
12. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
13. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
14. (Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
15. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
16. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
17. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
18. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
19. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
20. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
21. (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
22. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
23. (All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
24. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
25. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
26. (All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
27. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
28. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
29. (Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
30. (All-Star Squadron) TNT
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 09:17 AM
Also, I just noticed the female Crimson Avenger wasn't on the list. She was a member during "Stealing Thunder", as was Icicle. Maybe fodder for Wildcard rounds?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 09:22 AM
Ah, they were members in one of those time-travel stories, right? I tend to miss out on "non-official" members whose memberships were erased like that...

Yeah, fodder for Wildcard rounds. At this stage of the game, it wouldn't be quite fair to include them in the list.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 09:38 AM
There was someone else I was thinking had been forgotten from the list but I didn't mention it because I'm not a fan of adding characters late (I feel like it gives an unfair advantage) but I'm forgetting who.

Edit: Oh yeah, just remembered - didn't the terrible Willingham run add people like Blue Devil and Kid Karnevil? Or am I misremembering?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/06/16 09:43 AM
Aw man. Not sure how I missed Blue Devil, when others who joined together with him were included.

I skipped Kid Karnevil because he joined as a spy/traitor.

Well, Wild Card fodder for Blue Devil then.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
As with my previous Idols, that question is one only each can answer for himself or herself... wink


Whew! I'm glad you took that in exactly the way it was intended. I just reread it, and it wasn't meant as a criticism. Only that my thoughts changed as the scope of the Idol did. And as I read further down the list.

JSA+Friends Idol:)


From round 1, there are some versions I’ve never seen such as the TV one or more recent versions, such as anything beyond the first couple of Earth-2 issues. The revised Infinity Inc wasn’t a patch on the original.

I’m not too fond at voting for retconned characters, so there are a few Thomas creations that got 0 votes.

I see Firebrand was top, but I might have been the one not to vote for her. Thinking about it, Thomas was refused permission to use the Golden Age Wildfire character, so I shouldn’t be that harsh. Rod was eliminated.

I was surprised at how many characters had been affiliated to the Squadron, that I didn’t know about. I recall a two page pull out from one of the Squadron issues. It was a great introduction to golden age characters. But there was no Cap Marvel Jr, or Squire etc. I don’t mind the Newsboy Legion, but I don’t see them as part of the Squadron.

Surprise eliminations/ thoughts:-

Captain Triumph: A character I first saw in his who’s who entry, but one with an interesting origin. The Elseworlds version was pretty good, but both are gone. I can see why folks wouldn’t vote for Elseworlds Tex Thompson or Robotman, but Hourman and Hawkman come across very well there.

But it’s that version of Green Lantern going that’s the biggest surprise. He’s stepping up to be the Superman of the book. Not only that, but he’s someone whose shown to have a huge sense of responsibility. For his friends, workers and, in hanging up his ring, the world.

I can’t say I’m sorry to see the back of that glut of new Society members who were crammed into one of the versions.

Shilo Norman can escape anything. Except being mugged, and then tortured to death, because the writer needs to get through a plot hoop. Nil points from me. They were better than the Freedom Fighter updates that allowed the killing of stronger characters in Infinite Crisis.

Really surprised to see the back of the original Ray. Hearing of Lou Fine’s art was one of the early impressions I got at how revered some of the Golden Age artists were.

I’ve got a soft spot for Neon the Unknown, Magno, the Red Torpedo and friends. I’ve probably got fan plot around somewhere to prove it. Back in the All-Star Squadron, Uncle Sam recruits the Freedom Fighters. As lesser known as they were, they were to replace more obscure characters such as these.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 01:46 PM
No! Kate Spencer, King Chimera, Vixen and Neptune Perkins are gone!

C'est la vie. Plenty of great characters left!

Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 01:58 PM
1 – 450 (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2 – 335 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Sargon the Sorceror
3 – 245 (Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Iron Munro
4 – 185 (Justice Society) Damage
5 – 145 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
6 – 120 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
7 – 105 (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
8 – 95 (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
9 – 88 (Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
10 – 81 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Commander Steel

11 – 74 (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
12 – 67 (Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
13 – 60 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
14 – 55 (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
15 – 50 (Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
16 – 45 (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
17 – 40 (Justice Society) Obsidian
18 – 35 (Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dan the Dyna-Mite
19 – 30 (Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
20 – 27 (Young All-Stars) (Pre-Flashpoint) Tsunami

21 - 24 (Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
22 – 21 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
23 – 18 (SSoV) (Pre-Flashpoint) Bulleteer
24 - 15 (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
25 – 12 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Dr. Occult
26 – 9 (All-Star Squadron) (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara
27 – 7 (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
28 – 5 (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
29 – 3 (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
30 - 1 (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 02:02 PM
Yeah, I thought Spencer would get through, what with having her own book. I had to recheck the list for Vixen smile That's one of the versions I've not seen.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 02:22 PM
Set, I think you have Beth Chapel twice.
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 03:13 PM
1. (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
2. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
4. (Justice Society) Cyclone
5. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
6. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
7. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
8. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
9. Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
10. (Justice Society) Power Girl
11. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
12. (All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
13. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
14. Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
15. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
16. (All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
17. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
18. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
19. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
20. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
21. (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
22. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
23. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
24. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
25. (Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
26. (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
27. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
28. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
29. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
30. (Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/06/16 06:40 PM
I am surprised that Freddy got eliminated first, to me he was the most interesting Marvel. The covers alone by Mac Raboy are awesome. He even inspired Elvis Presley.

Shout out to Golden Age Plastic Man, as the art by Jack Cole was awesome. He deserves some love.

I would argue that Jessie has different powers/personality in her different identities; and the same with Nuklon/Atom Smasher. If they make it far, do you think you will separate them out?

IB, do you think we will have a Wildcard run since this game is going fast?

1.(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2.(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
3.(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
4.(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
5.(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
6. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
7.(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
8. (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
9. (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
10.(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
11. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
12. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
13. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
14. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
15. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
16. (Justice Society) Stargirl
17. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
18. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
19. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
20. (All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
21. (Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
22. (All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
23. (All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
24. (Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
25. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
26. (Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
27.(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
28.(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
29. (All-Star Squadron) TNT
30. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 06:41 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
4. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
5. (Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
6. (Justice Society) (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
7. (Justice Society) Power Girl
8. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
9. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
10. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
11. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
12. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
13. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
14. (Infinity Inc.) Jade
15. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
16. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
17. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
18. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
19. (All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
20. (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
21. (Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
22. (Young All-Stars) Tsunami
23. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
24. (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
25. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
26. (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
27. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
28. Starman (Ted Knight)
29. (Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
30. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)


Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana

I would argue that Jessie has different powers/personality in her different identities; and the same with Nuklon/Atom Smasher. If they make it far, do you think you will separate them out?

IB, do you think we will have a Wildcard run since this game is going fast?



A good point about Jessie and Al. Sadly though I think it is too late in the game to split them into their versions.

We will definitely have at least one Wild Card round smile and I plan to slow the game down in later rounds, when the list is smaller and we are more invested in the characters left
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Set, I think you have Beth Chapel twice.


Ooh, I did indeed, thanks!
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/06/16 09:09 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Power Girl
3. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
6. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
7. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
8. (Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
9. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
10. (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
11. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
12. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
13. (Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
14. (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
15. (Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
16. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
17. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
18. (Justice Society) Stargirl
19. (Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
20. (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
21. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
22. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
23. (Justice Society) Obsidian
24. (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
25. (Infinity Inc.) Jade
26. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
27. (All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
28. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
29. (SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
30. (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 12:41 PM
I'm still planning to vote this round, but it may be later tonight...

I agree with Emily about Mac Raboy, but I thought that I'd eventually prefer Captain Marvel to a derivative later, so didn't give points.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 02:07 PM
Looking at the numbers, if they stand, Paladin's vote may have saved the bacon of a lot of original JSAers. Even more interestingly one of the 12 characters without any votes yet is a founding JSAer, not who I would have expected either.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Set
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Set, I think you have Beth Chapel twice.


Ooh, I did indeed, thanks!


Thanks for the catch, Dave! I haven't been able to give more than a passing glance to the votes - swamped at work.
Originally Posted by thoth lad
I'm still planning to vote this round, but it may be later tonight...


No worries, the round ends tonight my time anyway. That's about 16 hours from now.

And thanks to everyone who has been sharing commentary. Part of the fun of previous Idol games was the discussions on the characters - who did surprisingly well, who did surprisingly poorly, and why. smile
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 05:06 PM
Whew! That was a tough one...

1 - 450 (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
2 - 335 (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
3 - 245 (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
4 - 185 (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
5 - 145 (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
6 - 120 (Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
7 - 105 (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
8 - 95 (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
9 - 88 (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
10 - 81 (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
11 - 74 (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
12 - 67 (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
13 - 60 (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
14 - 55 (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
15 - 50 (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
16 - 45 (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
17 - 40 (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
18 - 35 (All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
19 - 30 (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
20 - 27 (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
21 - 24 (All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
22 - 21 (Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
23 - 18 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
24 - 15 (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
25 - 12 (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
26 - 9 (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
27 - 7 (Justice Society) Power Girl
28 - 5 (All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
29 - 3 (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
30 - 1 (Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 07:34 PM
With Thoth's vote Al Pratt gets on the board, but he's still well below the cutoff.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 07:37 PM
Looks like this round's results will be surpising!
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
With Thoth's vote Al Pratt gets on the board, but he's still well below the cutoff.


In my process I mostly chose just one version of the same character. (The exceptions, kind of, were Ted Knight, Stargirl and Sylvester Pemberton, who all had similar names and powers.) In Al's case, the thing I liked best about him was his role in Albert Rothstein's backstory. Given that, I gave Albert the nod over his mentor.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 08:20 PM
I liked Al Pratt's portrayal in the short lived JSA series after their return from Limbo. He was the serious man to Wildcat's knucklehead (when in other portrayals, Al was the sort of knucklehead). I think that was also the start of his energy powers.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/07/16 09:37 PM
I like Al Pratt's Logo, "The Mighty Atom" in early comics. I have come to realize a lot of my votes this game are being determined based on art. I think it goes along with the general consensus that the art was better than the writing in the Golden Age.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/07/16 10:53 PM
I certainly would not call the Golden Age comics I have read literary masterpieces. That said, I have not read many and I can't give an opinion on the Golden Age as a whole.

I mostly go by how much I like a character when I vote.

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/08/16 06:49 AM
ROUND 2 RESULTS!

Who wins the popularity contest? Not quite a surprise at who won, but by how far ahead she is of #2...

(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 1655
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) - 818
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 768
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 735
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 697
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 635
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro - 631
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 630
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 611
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 591
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 590
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh) - 585
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 574
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 499
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis) - 493
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 468
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 465
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder - 450
(Justice Society) Stargirl - 433
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult - 397
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) - 382
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 354
(SSoV) Bulleteer - 353
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 323
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider) - 323
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) - 323
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 303
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin) - 283
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula - 275
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan) - 264
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian - 260
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon) - 245
(Justice Society) Obsidian - 243
(Justice Society) Damage - 225
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall) - 218
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence) - 206
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross) - 202
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.) - 194
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.) - 186
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite - 180
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders) - 173
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall) - 173
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight) - 169
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 165
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) - 163
(Infinity Inc.) Jade - 148
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami - 143
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - 140
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder - 138
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight) - 135
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant) - 129
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara - 123
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt - 114
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr. - 113
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein) - 111
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders) - 108
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 105
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) - 96
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S) - 95
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel - 93

And going home, our bottom 39...

(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick - 91
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos) - 91
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) - 88
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl - 86
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight) - 81
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick - 72
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler) - 69
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman - 65
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper) - 58
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane) - 55
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright) - 55
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel - 55
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 50
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall) - 50
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta) - 47
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane) - 45
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane) - 43
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel) - 33
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury - 32
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks) - 30
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt) - 21
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones - 21
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S) - 21
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor) - 18
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez) - 15
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln) - 12
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay) - 9
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam - 5
(All-Star Squadron) TNT - 4
(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan) - 0
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret) - 0
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger) - 0
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick - 0
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards) - 0
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler) - 0
(Justice Society) Black Adam - 0
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor) - 0
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman - 0
(SSoV) Wing - 0

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 06:59 AM
Round 3 Begins!

We have our Top 60, but let's go down to... Top 40!

Pick 20 characters from the list, and rank them 1-20. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 350
2 - 250
3 - 180
4 - 130
5 - 95
6 - 75
7 - 60
8 - 50
9 - 40
10 - 35
11 - 30
12 - 25
13 - 20
14 - 17
15 - 14
16 - 11
17 - 8
18 - 5
19 - 3
20 - 1


We will eliminate the Bottom 39 vote-getters to get to our Top 60!

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
Freedom Fighters
All-Star Squadron
Infinity Inc.
Squadron of Justice
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars

*note - only included those with speaking parts or significant characterization in the story

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The Top 60:

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 07:16 AM
My votes:

1 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
2 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3 - (Justice Society) Stargirl
4 - (Justice Society) Thunderbolt
5 - (Justice Society) Obsidian
6 - (Young All-Stars) Tsunami
7 - (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
8 - (Justice Society) Damage
9 - (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
10 - (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
11 - (Justice Society) Power Girl
12 - (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
13 - (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
14 - (Infinity Inc.) Jade
15 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
16 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
17 - (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
18 - (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
19 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
20 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

Random comments:

I expected lovebirds Rick Tyler and Jessie Quick to last longer.

I'm also surprised at Hector Hall's early exit. I never read Infinity Inc., but I always thought he would be fairly popular.

We lost a lot of originals - Ted Knight, Al Pratt. I'm not as surprised by Terry Sloane.

The original Freedom Fighters were decimated too - Doll Man, Black Condor, Uncle Sam. Only Phantom Lady, Plastic Man, and (to my surprise) Red Bee remain.

I'm not surprised that Huntress topped the list, but I am surprised (a bit) by how far ahead she was of everyone else! Happy to see Firebrand (Danette) do so well too, I've only read two stories with her in it (one of them COIE) but I liked her a lot even after just those two.

Let's look at legacies. Michael Holt is way ahead of Terry Sloane. Jack Knight beats Ted Knight, but not by as wide a margin. Conversely, for Hourman and Liberty Belle it was the parents who outlasted the kids.

And both Cyclone and Ma Hunkle are doing quite well (so far).

As expected, Jay Garrick and Alan Scott doing well.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 07:27 AM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
3. (SSoV) Bulleteer
4. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
6. (Justice Society) Power Girl
7. (SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
8. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
9. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
10. (All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
11. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
12. (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
13. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
14. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
15. (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
16. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
17. (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
18. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
19. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
20. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 07:41 AM
Not surprised to see them go, but am surprised that both Black Adam and Thom got 0 votes.

The two Canaries are less than 10 points apart.

Kendra's the most popular Hawk by far.

Dan the Dyna-Mite outlasts TNT (no surprise given his exposure in YA).

Robin tops Batman by a wide margin.

Classic Cap stays, modern goes home.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 08:31 AM
Funny how for some characters, modern trumps classic, and for others, vice versa. Goes to show how varied our tastes are. I think it also shows that we voters tend to appreciate multiple eras.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 09:34 AM
The Hawks have the largest "family" left with 4 (Northwind, Carter, Shierra and Kendra).

The GL, Bat, Thunder and Super families all have 3 (if you count Iron Munro as a Supes stand-in).

Mystics and Magical-based heroes are by far the most prevalent on the list.

Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 12:22 PM
It's so weird for me. I struggle in Legion or JLA groups to find dudes and not end up with a massively top-heavy all-lady list of favorites, but with the JSA/All-Stars/Infinity Inc/Young All-Stars crews, there are a ton of guys I like!

And while Helena Wayne is a favorite, I suspect she can go a round without my top vote (and while I love me some Hawkgirl and Black Canary, these aren't the versions of those characters I love most). I will shake my fist and rail against the gods and give that to Sargon the Sorcerer this round, so that he gets a good showing before Dr. Fate (rightly!) kicks his butt right off this list. smile

1 (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
2 (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
3 (All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
4 (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
5 (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
6 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
7 (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
8 (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
9 (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
10 (Justice Society) Damage
11 (SSoV) Bulleteer
12 (Justice Society) Thunderbolt
13 (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
14 (All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
15 (Justice Society) Obsidian
16 (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
17 (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
18 (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
19 (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
20 (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)

Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Mystics and Magical-based heroes are by far the most prevalent on the list.


Between Dr. Fate, Zatara, Dr. Occult and Sargon the Sorcerer, there's really an embarrassment of riches for the fan of mystical heroes! All of them are great (and Zatara still has some residual good feelings from me for his Young Justice cartoon appearance, although he's been totally eclipsed in the comics by his daughter's popularity).

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 12:58 PM
I really had to go with my favs in Round 2. There wasn't much room to add in characters based on the odd moment of greatness.

Of those gone...

Rick & Jesse were part of that dreadful arc where far too many legacy heroes were introduced. The originals had features, but these were just throwaways.

Ted Knight was your standard bored playboy. I don't even remember him inventing the cosmic rod thingy. Thomas was toying with giving him some racial prejudices to give his cast more flavour. So no great loss and better done by Robinson in a couple of titles.

Shame about a number of the Freedom Fighters. As nice a reintroduction as that was in the early '70s some of them are better than that.

Johnny Quick going was a bit of a surprise. His feature lasted a long time. Had the Flash not got a Silver Age revamp, perhaps it would have been Johnny in the JLA.

Robotman going is another surprise. Like Johnny, his strip lasted a long time. He had become very versatile as time went on. Flight, elongated arms etc. Like Johnny, he was a part of that core Squadron group too. That, plus the inherent pathos of his character.

I recall reading that Thomas was possibly going to bump off the Silver Scarab. This would have been before his changes. He wasn't as popular as the other Infinitors, it was felt.

One Infinitor who made his way from Golden, Silver, Bronze and post Crisis was the Star Spangled Kid. But no luck getting past ROund 2 for him.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Johnny Quick going was a bit of a surprise. His feature lasted a long time. Had the Flash not got a Silver Age revamp, perhaps it would have been Johnny in the JLA.


Johnny Quick was one of my favorite speedsters. Being able to fly really set him apart from the various Flashes, making him something like Northstar, over at Marvel. (Plenty of the Krypto/Daxamite/Shazam folk combine flight with super-speed, but they also have a raft of other powers.)

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 01:21 PM
Which should probably make Quicksilver worth a mention. Who's Who suggested that he performed lots of acrobatic tricks with his super speed. Appearing between speeding propeller blades for example. It was another remove from the trial of Barry Allen and the darker, later stories.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 05:08 PM
I thought that Quicksilver/Max Mercury being heavily featured as Bart Allen's mentor (including a couple of Reboot Legion appearances!) would have given him a few votes.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/08/16 05:48 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Power Girl
3. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
6. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
7. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
8. (Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
9. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
10. (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
11. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
12. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
13. (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
14. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
15. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
16. (Justice Society) Stargirl
17. (Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
18. (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
19. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
20. (Justice Society) Obsidian
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/08/16 06:04 PM
Jesse evolved Post-Crisis as a member of the Outsiders and JSA (as Liberty Belle) so I gave her that vote. I voted for Rick over his father because I don't like the origin of Rex's powers.

Black Adam is more of an anti-hero, so I think he fits more in the Legion of Doom Idol I will run next year. (We are doing Spider-Villains in winter because I need something easy)

Dr.Occult is now my fourth place person in this game. He is historically significant as the first major Siegal/Schulster creation. His design is also classic but never outdated.

1. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2. (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
3. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
4. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
5. (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
6. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
7. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
8. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
9. (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
10. (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
11. (Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
12. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
13. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
14. (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
15. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
16. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
17. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
18. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
19. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
20. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/08/16 07:00 PM
Jesse is quite a joiner isn't she? I never realized she was with the Outsiders too. Then there were also the JLA and the Titans, and the Conglomerate I believe.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/08/16 10:43 PM
1. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
2. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
5. (Young All-Stars) Tsunami
6. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
7. (Justice Society) Obsidian
8. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
9. (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
10. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
11. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
12. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
13. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
14. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
15. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
16. (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
17. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
18. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
19. (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
20. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man


AGH This was so hard!
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/08/16 11:54 PM
I'm a little shocked that Ted Knight and Sylvester Pemberton didn't get further in this game. Ted, we got to know perhaps better than any other JSAer thru his huge role in the Jack Knight Starman series. And Sylvester had such a rich history that ran thru the classic SSoV story in JLA thru his featured role in the late '70s JSA/Super Squad revival and culminating in his founding Infinity, Inc.

They'll definitely get my consideration in the eventual Wild Card round.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/09/16 01:17 AM
1. (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
2. (All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
3. (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
4. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
5. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
6. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
7. (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
8. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
9. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
10. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
11. (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
12. (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
13. (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
14. (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
15. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
16. (All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
17. (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
18. (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
19. (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
20. (All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/09/16 06:54 AM
Set, I think your numbering is off (you missed assigning your #1 vote).
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/09/16 09:40 AM
Originally Posted by Paladin
I'm a little shocked that Ted Knight and Sylvester Pemberton didn't get further in this game. Ted, we got to know perhaps better than any other JSAer thru his huge role in the Jack Knight Starman series. And Sylvester had such a rich history that ran thru the classic SSoV story in JLA thru his featured role in the late '70s JSA/Super Squad revival and culminating in his founding Infinity, Inc.

They'll definitely get my consideration in the eventual Wild Card round.


Yeah, I thought Ted would make it through. Syl wasn't the most compelling character for me, but Ted was someone I looked forward to seeing in the JSA/JLA team ups. Plus Ted was great in the All-Star Squadron and, as you noted, the Starman series.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/09/16 05:40 PM
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) 350
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) 250
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight) 180
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall) 130
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) 95
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man 75
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.) 60
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 50
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh) 40
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds) 35
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) 30
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) 25
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) 20
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro 17
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider) 14
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis) 11
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara 8
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult 5
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S) 3
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall) 1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/09/16 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Set, I think your numbering is off (you missed assigning your #1 vote).


Thanks for spotting it, Dave. I sent Set a PM too.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/10/16 06:04 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Set, I think your numbering is off (you missed assigning your #1 vote).


Thanks for spotting it, Dave. I sent Set a PM too.


Thanks, I suck at copy-pasting apparently, since I do this in another document, and it always ends up full of errors... smile

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/10/16 06:23 AM
I prepare my votes in Excel too and just copy them in the thread smile

I'll end the round in a couple of hours. I am still out of the house.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/10/16 06:25 AM
Originally Posted by Set
Thanks, I suck at copy-pasting apparently, since I do this in another document, and it always ends up full of errors... smile


Yet, as Set's Alt+ID, I've been doing OK at yer cutting and yer copying and yer pasting. It a strange world of clones out there.

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/10/16 09:56 AM
I erroneously said at the post starting Round 2 that we'd lose the bottom 39; it should have been bottom 20, as we are going from 60 to 40. My bad.

ROUND 3 RESULTS!

Helena Wayne gives way to let someone else take the top spot - someone who came close to elimination in a previous round! What other shake ups will we see on this list?

(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 480
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 427
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 425
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 378
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) - 375
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 355
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 355
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder - 350
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 350
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 320
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 290
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 285
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro - 267
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder - 266
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian - 261
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 255
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 255
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula - 250
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 222
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight) - 214
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) - 210
(SSoV) Bulleteer - 210
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) - 205
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 200
(Justice Society) Stargirl - 191
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh) - 187
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite - 185
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 184
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall) - 180
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant) - 175
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) - 174
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami - 170
(Justice Society) Obsidian - 170
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult - 168
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 166
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara - 166
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 160
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 157
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.) - 155
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt - 155

And your bottom 20, going home this round:

(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - 152
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight) - 130
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) - 119
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis) - 111
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan) - 110
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin) - 89
(Justice Society) Damage - 85
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider) - 74
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders) - 60
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr. - 51
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S) - 49
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence) - 40
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein) - 38
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.) - 38
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross) - 37
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall) - 26
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel - 18
(Infinity Inc.) Jade - 17
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders) - 0
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon) - 0
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 09:57 AM
The ranking methodology really causes a lot of surprises. Here we see that Quis' absence has shaken things up a lot!

We lose Firebrand (Danette), who came in 2nd in Round 2. Quis' absence cost her a lot (Quis ranked her first in Round 2). At this point in the game, a character could go home just by losing one voter, especially if that character would occupy spots 1-5 on the list.

Of course, numerous smaller votes count as well - Thunderbolt escaped elimination by only 3 points!

We lose two more Drs. Mid-Nite, eliminating that legacy from the list entirely.

And another JSA founder goes home - Wes Dodds!

We also lose Canary Jr. (though sometimes I'm not sure if the character I'm voting for is Sr. or Jr, what with retcons and all!)

And I'm the only one who voted for Jade, interesting. I thought she'd be more popular.

Anohter surprise for me is seeing Hawkgirl (Shiera) go home with 0 votes! Was Kendra just that much more popular? Her JLA counterpart made it to the Top 3 in the JLA Idol game, so I expected her to do better in this one.

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 10:15 AM
Round 4 Begins!

From Top 40, we go down to... Top 25!

Pick 15 characters from the list, and rank them 1-15. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 430
2 - 310
3 - 220
4 - 150
5 - 100
6 - 80
7 - 65
8 - 50
9 - 40
10 - 30
11 - 20
12 - 12
13 - 7
14 - 3
15 - 1

We will eliminate the Bottom 15 vote-getters to get to our Top 25!

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
All-Star Squadron
Freedom Fighters
Infinity Inc.
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The Top 40:

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami

Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 10:17 AM
I regret not ranking Firebrand higher now. frown I thought she'd be safer than that after the previous round.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 10:25 AM
1 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
2 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3 - (Justice Society) Stargirl
4 - (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
5 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
6 - (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
7 - (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
8 - (Justice Society) Power Girl
9 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
10 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
11 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
12 - (Justice Society) Obsidian
13 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
14 - (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
15 - (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 12:41 PM
Some thoughts on those departed...

(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - 152
I thought he was going to be safe. I was never a fan of his JLA days. Keeping his sidekick in a cage for decades never worked for me at all. His heart condition was endlessly referred to by Thomas. While it was nice to show the fragility of the heroes, it can't have done his self esteem much good. But he was a visual link to the bygone days of pulps. Looking like a relic at first seemed odd, then archaic, but later came into it's own. Sandman Mystery theatre was for the most part, and is well worth picking up.

(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight) - 130
Started off great guns, but drifted away, even for an everyman hero. A retconned Ted offered much more potential.

(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) - 119
Surprised she's gone after her strong early showing. I'd still prefer her as Wildfire.

(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis) - 111
Like Wesley, a hold over from the pulps. Where mortal heroes would fight corruption and thugs, rather than insane Dick Tracy villains and other super goons.

(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan) - 110
He had lots of back ups with the likes of Ollie and Dinah. But it just never came to anything. I think DC were hoping for some positive reaction, but never really pushed the character. I last saw him after his steroid abuse when he became Maser.

(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin) - 89
A knight on a flying horse just never did much for me, even with Frazetta artwork.

(Justice Society) Damage - 85 - Never liked him. Ever.

(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider) - 74
Another loss to the underpowered, but effective heroes like the Avenger and Sandman. The more desperately epic and disconnected from the real world the super-slugfests get, the more I miss these guys. In the background of Sandman Mystery theatre, there were some things going on with McNider. Shame that didn't last long enough to see.

(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders) - 60 - I only really remember him from the JLA stories. That might even have been his Earth-1 equivalent.

(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr. - 51 - Another one I've never really liked. Just ballast on the ever expanding early Infinity cast, with the same visuals ashis dad as a villain.

(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S) - 49 - DC have never came close to touching on his life with Fawcett for me.

(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence) - 40- Shmae to see her go. A key part of the All Star Squadron. Not sure about those later powers though.

(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein) - 38 - His powers were interesting and he's visually good. I just found wading through some of the Infinity dialogue to be a chore. He didn't do much for me in the JLA, although those were skimmed after being bought much later from a bargain bin.

(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.) - 38 - weird retcon of mother.

(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross) - 37 - derivative of original, with additional ER age references thrown in.

(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall) - 26 - I remember her more from Sandman, when she threatened the Lord of dreams. She must have been badly undercut from Crisis.

(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel - 18 - Conway retcon.

(Infinity Inc.) Jade - 17 - lost all credibility from being linked with Jack Knight. I got the feeling she was being portrayed as antagonistic in later Outsiders/JLA.

(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders) - 0 - Hawkman's partner, for me, rather than the every bit as equal later versions.

(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon) - 0 - The Vision joins the JLA. I don't really think of him as a JSAer.
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 01:35 PM
Poor Danielle. My fault for procrastinating.


1. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
2. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Cyclone
5. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
6. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
7. (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
8. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
9. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
10. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
11. (Justice Society) Obsidian
12. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
13. (Justice Society) Power Girl
14. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
15. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 02:34 PM
I really want a Wildcard Round now. I find myself sifting through characters I have little opinion about to fill out 6-15 of my list.


1. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
3. (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
4. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
5. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
6. (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
7. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
8. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
9. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
10. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
11. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
12. (Justice Society) Power Girl
13. (Justice Society) Stargirl
14. (SSoV) Bulleteer
15. (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 04:34 PM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
3. (SSoV) Bulleteer
4. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
6. (Justice Society) Power Girl
7. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
8. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
9. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
10. (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
11. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
12. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
13. (Justice Society)Thunderbolt
14. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
15. (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 06:40 PM
1. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
3. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
4. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
5. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
6. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
7. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
8. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
9. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
10. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
11. (Justice Society) Obsidian
12. (Young All-Stars) Tsunami
13. (Justice Society) Power Girl
14. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
15. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 2) - 09/10/16 07:24 PM
Like with thoth, I always thought of the android Red Tornado as a JLAer.

Liberty Belle's departure was also a bit of a shock for me.

I did think that Shiera's departure was because she was not as fleshed out a character as Kendra or JLA's Shayera turned out to be.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/10/16 08:32 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Power Girl
3. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
6. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
7. (Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
8. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
9. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
10. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
11. (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
12. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
13. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
14. (Justice Society) Stargirl
15. (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)

Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 03:26 AM
No!!! *choke* Firebrand! Air Wave III! Damage! Commander Steel! *sob*

1 All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
2 (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
3 (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4 (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
5 (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
6 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
7 (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
8 (All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
9 (SSoV) Bulleteer
10 (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
11 (Justice Society) Obsidian
12 (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
13 (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
14 (Justice Society) Thunderbolt
15 (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 07:05 AM
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) 430
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) 310
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) 220
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 150
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall) 100
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) 80
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man 65
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.) 50
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro 40
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight) 30
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh) 20
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) 12
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) 7
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) 3
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 1
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 11:54 AM
1. (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
2. (All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
3. (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
4. (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
5. (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
6. (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
7. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
8. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
9. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
10. (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
11. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
12. (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
13. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
14. (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
15. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
I really want a Wildcard Round now. I find myself sifting through characters I have little opinion about to fill out 6-15 of my list.


I have a similar experience; I find that maybe my top 8-10 are big favorites. The rest I like, but I would sacrifice them to get my top picks through.

We always have at least one Wild Card in my Idols. Possibly two. I'm sure Firebrand will do well in the Wild Card wink
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 10:19 PM
I specifically picked three to consistently vote for, as I know my tastes are different from a lot of others here. My hope is at least one will match up and I can push him/her to the finals.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 10:33 PM
I have not been so strategic. My problem? I keep on seeing heroes on people's lists and think "oh yeah, that character is awesome"
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/11/16 11:53 PM
I like to tilt at windmills and vote for some people I know aren't going to win, just to see how long they can stay in the game. Hence, Amazing Man, Sargon the Sorcerer, Northwind, Earth 2 Dick Grayson, etc.

But I've got my fingers crossed for Huntress/Helena Wayne or Dr. Fate/Kent Nelson to cross the finish line.



Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 12:09 AM
Keeping someone at the top of your list can get them far, but is definitely not a guarantee of victory. I used that strategy with Kimiyo Hoshi in JLA Idol and she only made the Top 20 or so.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 06:20 AM
ROUND 4 RESULTS!

Who lives to fight another day?

Another close battle this round, with only 3 points separating the safe characters from the eliminated ones. And it looks like last round's shocking results scared a lot of us, as we see a familiar face back in the top spot...

(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 976
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 732
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 660
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 637
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 631
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 580
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 550
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 477
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 466
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 460
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) - 434
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder - 431
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) - 420
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 380
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 351
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) - 340
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder - 316
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 311
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 310
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian - 310
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula - 310
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 301
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 300
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult - 295
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 270

And going home today...

(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.) - 267 Remove
(SSoV) Bulleteer - 263 Remove
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant) - 250 Remove
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 234 Remove
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite - 233 Remove
(Justice Society) Stargirl - 230 Remove
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara - 212 Remove
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh) - 173 Remove
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro - 170 Remove
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall) - 165 Remove
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight) - 73 Remove
(Justice Society) Obsidian - 72 Remove
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) - 50 Remove
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami - 12 Remove
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt - 10 Remove

Two more founders go - Spectre and Hawkman! That's half the founders gone.

We lose a magic user in Zatara as well, and another All-Star Squadder in Paul Kirk. I thought both were pretty good characters.

The Young All-Stars are wiped out; we lost none last round but the remaining three this round. Did voters decided to let them go in order to keep favorites safe? Bye Dan the Dyna-mite, Iron Munro and Tsunami.

I am surprised at Stargirl's exit. I always thought she was one of the most popular JSAers during her time with the team, and that she'd be up there with Michael Holt.

Two of the three Freedom Fighters left go home - Red Bee and Phantom Lady. I expected Phantom Lady to be one of the last Freedom Fighters in the game, but I have to admit I'm surprised at how well the Red Bee did. I really only know him from when he died.

I always really liked Thunderbolt, and considered ranking him 4th on my list. But that would not have been enough to save him, sadly.

I also thought Black Canary Sr. would be more popular. Hmm.

Bulleteer. Only comic I read with her in it, was an appearance late in the pre-Flashpoint League (when Dick-as-Batman and Donna Troy were there); she was one of the Reservists called in to fight Eclipso. But I have heard many good things about her.

And Obsidian. I admit I voted for him mainly because I liked his journey to coming out as a gay man; but even after he came out, there were many times when I disliked how he was written.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 06:29 AM
Round 5 Begins!

From Top 25, we will lose 13 characters to go down to our Top 12!

Wait, what? Isn't that a bit drastic? Well, though we have had a few close results in the past couple of rounds, I thought we could stand to shake things up a bit. Don't worry, though; we will have a chance later on to vote characters back into the list.

Pick 10 characters from the list, and rank them 1-10. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 340
2 - 240
3 - 160
4 - 100
5 - 60
6 - 30
7 - 18
8 - 10
9 - 5
10 - 1

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
All-Star Squadron
Freedom Fighters
Infinity Inc.
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The Top 25!

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)

I have to say, that's a pretty interesting and fairly diverse Top 25!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 06:37 AM
Wow, The Spectre goes home? I had him pegged for close to the finals. There is going to be one crazy wildcard round.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 06:41 AM
1 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
2 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4 - (Justice Society) Power Girl
5 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
6 - (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
7 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
8 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
9 - (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
10 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 06:41 AM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (Justice Society) Power Girl
5. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
6. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
7. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
8. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
9. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
10. (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 08:43 AM
I am surprised at the Stargirl and Spectre exit. I thought they exemplified their JSA at different points. Also, Spectre and Dr. Fate were the only JSAer with their own books for the late 80s-late 90s.

Red Bee made it so far because of his death. It exemplified the mystery man approach to the Golden Age. He didn't back down when faced with a superpowerful foe. He unleashed his bees and went out swinging.
Would he do any less against Darkseid?
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 08:46 AM
1. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
2. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
6. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
7. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
8. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
9. All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
10. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 09:39 AM
Oh noes, Iron Munroe, Paul Kirk and the Bulleteer gone too! It's a bloodbath! smile

1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
5. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
6. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
7. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
8. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
9. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
10. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 02:16 PM
Thoughts on the departed...

(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.) - 267
Arriving towards the end of the JSA and appearing more in the JLA. No sooner had she got rid of Larry Lance, than she's saddled with Oliver Queen. She was always a much stronger character than that.

(SSoV) Bulleteer - 263
Getting coated in some invulnerable substance takes all the fun and spinal injuries out of being a bullet person! No points.

(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant) - 250
Never did much for me. Seems to have worked best as a mentor, but we didn't really get to see much of that. Not even montages.

(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 234
Hey, if you guys aren't going to vote for the wrath of a god, then don't look to me for sympathy smile

(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite - 233
Bleh! best in the Golden Age where his brain was scooped out. Seemed a bit lost without his mentor. Poor mentor who died so that Dan could get a place in the team with some pathos.

(Justice Society) Stargirl - 230
I was already tired of endless legacy heroes. But much later I read an issue of Stars and STRIPES and it was better than I thought it would be.

(All-Star Squadron) Zatara - 212
One of the very first, but stage magicians went the way of all pulp.

(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh) - 173
He trains bees to fight crime. From his belt buckle. Against super villains and armed crooks. He has bees. I have nothing but respect for the Red Bee, who now seems to die a lot in echoes of that Squadron issue.

(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro - 170
Well, if you're going to have to fill the role of Superman in the post Crisis world, why not go to the guys who inspired 'ol Clark Kent; Hugo Danner and Aarn Munro. It's a shame that this didn't get more of a shot beyond Young All Stars.

(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall) - 165
The mainstay of the JSA, not to mention a guy with a cool backstory. Where Iron Munro mines John Campbell and Phillip Wylie, there's a bit of H. Rider Haggard in the backstory and Alex Raymond in the visuals. I thought Carter would go further. The Golden Age version still has mileage.

(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight) - 73
Beyond some comic history books, the first two appearances I saw were Dave Stevens Who's Who page and George Perez's rendition in Crisis. Gorgeous looks along with an interesting publishing history. Was her tie in with the Knights picked up in Robinson's run? He got everyone else in there.

(Justice Society) Obsidian - 72
Shadowy powers meant he was doomed to go off the deep end. It was only a matter of letting enough writers have a shot at him.

(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) - 50
I've not read many of his Golden Age appearances, and gave him points more for the legacy he left.

(Young All-Stars) Tsunami - 12
Nil points from me.

(Justice Society) Thunderbolt - 10
The deus ex machine of the JSA. Say, You could end the war in a heart beat! Why don't you do that? Oh yeah, we'd be out of work...

A few of these guys were going before I got round to voting. As Ibby said, it was a case of keeping more favs. I think Red Bee did pretty well.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad


(SSoV) Bulleteer - 263
Getting coated in some invulnerable substance takes all the fun and spinal injuries out of being a bullet person! No points.


But she obviously turned out to be much more than that. Starting as a reluctant hero, she stands revealed in the end as "The Spear that Was Never Thrown", a direct descendant of Aurakles and the ultimate downfall of the Sheeda. I loved how Morrison made hers seemingly the most mundane and unconnected story, and then reversed that over the course of her series and Soldiers #1.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 02:32 PM
Bah! I prefer Spears That Are Thrown, wearing flimsy helmets and silly costumes, who are direct descendants of strangely dim ballistics experts in order to bring about the ultimate downfall of Health & Safety! smile


Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 02:36 PM
1. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
4. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
5. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
6. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
7. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
8. (Justice Society) Power Girl
9. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
10. (Justice Society) Cyclone
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 06:24 PM
1. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
3. (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
4. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
5. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
6. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
7. (Justice Society) Cyclone
8. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
9. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
10. (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder

I decided to remove Alan as he as been eclipsed beyond common knowledge by Hal Jordan (an awful movie is still a movie, and he is in the Lego stuff).
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/12/16 07:40 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Power Girl
3. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
6. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
7. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
8. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
9. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
10. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 5) - 09/12/16 08:14 PM
Re Wildcat, I liked how he was written post COIE up to Final Crisis. Rough around the edges but with a good heart. Always laughed whenever he and Power Girl would bicker. His mentoring was more of the "I will teach you how to fight, and if you get in trouble I will bail you out. Otherwise, you can do it kid!"
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/13/16 06:11 AM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk) - 50
I've not read many of his Golden Age appearances, and gave him points more for the legacy he left.


Ditto, actually. I really liked the character as a member of the Power Company, even if that was one of his clones.

Quote
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt - 10
The deus ex machine of the JSA. Say, You could end the war in a heart beat! Why don't you do that? Oh yeah, we'd be out of work...


Ooh, I could be terribly mistaken, but I was voting for Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, not the lightning-assed pink genie pet of Johnny and Jakeem Thunder.


Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/13/16 06:24 AM
The JSA Thunderbolt was the genie. Peter Cannon was only DC's to use very briefly, so they kept him out of teams.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/13/16 08:27 AM
Yes, this game's Thunderbolt was indeed the genie. Peter Cannon never joined the JSA.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/13/16 12:27 PM
1. (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
2. (All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
3. (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
4. (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
5. (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
6. (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-l of Earth-2)
7. (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
8. (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
9. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
10. (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/13/16 01:03 PM
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) 340
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 240
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man 160
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 100
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) 60
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) 30
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) 18
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) 10
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult 5
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) 1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 05:30 AM
ROUND 5 RESULTS!

Wow. I'd like to say that this round was very surprising... on the other hand, with so few characters left, any set of results is bound to be a surprise!

Only 12 out of 25 will survive...

(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 1090
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 580
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 495
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 462
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 450
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 403
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 401
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 399
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 388
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 363
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 359
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 358

And going home today...

(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 350
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder - 346
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder - 341
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 325
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 266
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 265
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian - 240
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula - 240
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) - 220
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult - 171
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 100
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) - 54
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) - 10

Wow. 6/9 of us voted for Earth-2 Robin, but he still went home because most of us had him at the bottom of our lists. I wonder, did all of the 6 vote for him because they liked him? or did some just need to fill up their lists?

Both Johnny and Jakeem Thunder go home despite getting one first place vote each! That's no longer enough to save someone.

Sargon just barely misses the cut off.

Despite placing first a couple of rounds ago, Northwind goes home - the last Infinity Inc. member on the list who didn't graduate into the JSA proper.

Manhattan Guardian goes home too. I never read anything with him in it, but I have heard good things about Morrison's Seven Soldiers.

Amazing Man's luck also runs out despite doing quite well in the rounds leading up to this. I never read anything with this Amazing Man, but I am familiar with him through Amazing Man II and III. His powerset makes him quite a powerful character.

Dr. Occult, one of the earliest heroes and one with a very good design, goes home too despite being on 5 lists.

Tarantula, someone else whom I always thought had a nice look and costume, says bye bye.

We also lose Sand Hawkins. He was one of my favorites from his JSA era.

And finally, the "Big 3" from Earth-2 all go home! I'm a bit shocked. Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman all. I thought WW would last longer.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 06:20 AM
ROUND SIX BEGINS!!

The Justice Society and the All-Star Squadron have been rather large teams, but now we're down to 12...

It's time to go a-recruiting!

WILD CARD ROUND!!

A word of caution - as has happened in the past, the character you bring back just might cause another of your faves to go home!

Read carefully, please!

Each player gets 150 points to distribute however they please.

To use Legionnaires as an example:

Voter 1 - 150 points to Gates

Voter 2 - 100 points to Kinetix, 50 points to Dawnstar

Voter 3 - 30 points to Monstress, 30 points to Wildfire, 30 points to Bouncing Boy, 30 points to Brainiac 5, 30 points to Nightwind

The only condition is that your total points must add up to 150 or less.

If your total is less than 150, I'll still count it; if more than 150, you will need to change your vote.

Top 3 vote-getters come back to the list, joining our current 12 to make a Top 15.

In case of ties, the character who left most recently will return to the game. (E.g. if Chemical King and Invisible Kid tie, but Lyle left in Round 4 and Chem left in Round 5, then Chem gets to come back).

If characters STILL tie, I will look at the number of points they had when they were eliminated.

Because of the nature of our initial list (a mix of different teams), you can vote for ANY character, even those not on the list below, AS LONG AS you can cite their membership in one of the following teams:

All-Star Squadron
Freedom Fighters
Infinity Inc.
Justice Society
Squadron of Justice
Seven Soldiers of Victory
Young All-Stars

To make it easier, I am reposting the list of eliminated characters.

First, a special shout out to three characters whom I missed, but should have been on the list:

(Justice Society) Blue Devil
(Justice Society) (Stealing Thunder alternate future) Crimson Avenger (Jill Carlyle)
(Justice Society) (Stealing Thunder alternate future) Icicle


Now, the full list of characters eliminated from the game:

(All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) Arak, Son of Thunder
(All-Star Squadron) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawk (Janos Prohaska)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Baker)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Boris)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chop-Chop)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chuck)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Hendrickson)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Miss Fear)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Stanislaus)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Zeg)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Fireball
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
(All-Star Squadron) Kuei
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) Little Miss Redhead
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) Phantasmo
(All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(All-Star Squadron) Silent Knight
(All-Star Squadron) Speed Saunders
(All-Star Squadron) Strong Bow
(All-Star Squadron) Super-Chief
(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(All-Star Squadron) TNT
(All-Star Squadron) Tor, the Magic Master
(All-Star Squadron) Trigger Twins
(All-Star Squadron) Valda the Iron Maiden
(All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Americommando (Tex Thompson)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Thunder
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tarantula
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Black Condor
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Man
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Woman
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Human Bomb
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Phantom Lady
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Ray
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Uncle Sam
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Lester Colt)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Andre Twist)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Andy Franklin)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Ken Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
(Freedom Fighters) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Stormy Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Stan Silver)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Jenna Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Torpedo
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Empathy
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Everyman
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Fury (Erik Storn)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Jade (Nicki Jones)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Matrix (Sierra)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Nuklon (Gerome McKenna)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Skyman (Jacob Colby)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Trajectory
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Flash
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Starman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Wildcat
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Atom
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Citizen Steel
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Flash
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkgirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Obsidian
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Star-spangled Kid
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Vixen (Amaya Jiwe)
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Wildcat
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Big Barda
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Impossible (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Green Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Miracle (Scott Free)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Torpedo
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Ted Grant
(Justice Society) (New 52) The Great Beast (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hourwoman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Northwind
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Sandman (Garrett Sanford)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Stealing Thunder alternate future) Crimson Avenger (Jill Carlyle)
(Justice Society) (Stealing Thunder alternate future) Icicle
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
(Justice Society) Anna Fortune
(Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Black Adam
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
(Justice Society) Blue Devil
(Justice Society) Captain Marvel
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Damage
(Justice Society) Darknight
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Bruce Gordon)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
(Justice Society) Lightning
(Justice Society) Magog
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
(Justice Society) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) Obsidian
(Justice Society) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
(Justice Society) Ri
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Roxy
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Shade
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
(Squadron of Justice) Commando Yank
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(Squadron of Justice) Minute-Man
(Squadron of Justice) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) Phantom Eagle
(Squadron of Justice) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(Squadron of Justice) Spy Smasher (Alan Armstrong)
(SSoV) Adam Strange
(SSoV) Alias the Spider
(SSoV) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoV) Billy Gunn
(SSoV) Boy Blue
(SSoV) Bulleteer
(SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
(SSoV) Deadman
(SSoV) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoV) Frankenstein
(SSoV) Gimmix
(SSoV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoV) I, Spyder
(SSoV) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
(SSoV) Mento
(SSoV) Metamorpho
(SSoV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Gardner Grayle)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
(SSoV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoV) Stuff the Chinatown Kid
(SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
(SSoV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoV) Wing
(SSoV) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Young All-Stars) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
(Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
(Young All-Stars) Neptune Perkins
(Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Young All-Stars) Tsunami
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 06:20 AM
150 points to (Justice Society) Stargirl

Btw, if you're going to give points to character/s on the list, please copy-paste the naming convention on the list to make it less confusing for me. smile
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 06:51 AM
Tough choice. While I'd like to bring back some of the Soldiers, I know it's an uphill battle to keep them around. Instead I'll go with the big guy:

150 points - (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 07:32 AM
WHAT!?! I LOST MY ENTIRE LIST! I HATE ALL OF YOU('s taste in JSA characters)!

cry

150 points to:

(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 07:41 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula
WHAT!?! I LOST MY ENTIRE LIST! I HATE ALL OF YOU('s taste in JSA characters)!

cry



I noticed that too frown I'm sorry, Blacula. I liked some of your picks a lot too (and voted for a couple of them)!
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 07:42 AM
150 points to (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 08:13 AM
Hmm, I think you'll be doing a lot of tiebreakers this round, Ibby.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 09:01 AM
I'll mix it up for folks --

25 (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
75 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
25 (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
25 (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Hmm, I think you'll be doing a lot of tiebreakers this round, Ibby.


I knew I should have kept better records!
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 04:38 PM
I lost a few in this round. With the points I was was having to put into some of them early on, I had a feeling it would be a matter of time before some of them would be out.

(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 350
I remember him more from his JLA appearance, rather than anything in the Golden Age.

(Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder - 346
I didn't read too much of his time in the JSA, but the ones I did read had such a big cast, that a lot of characters were squeezed of panel time.

(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder - 341
A funny, but still powerful, character that offset the JSA. Somehow Ma Hunkle is still in there.

(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 325
I was never a fan of boy sidekicks. I know they were there to provide a way of kids to identify with the book. But I always preferred reading about the main characters, even as a kid, and these guys just got in the way. Anyway, Hawkins was a monster in a bubble for me in a story I didn't really enjoy. turning into a Marvel type "homage" didn't work much for me either.

(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 266
I was voting more on the grown up Robin, than the kid version. His costume was daft, but he was an imaginary story type of character made real on Earth-2. An early legacy character that we'd see replicated in Power Girl, The Huntress and through Infinity Inc.

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 265
I didn't favour giving points to retcons over the characters who originally appeared.

(SSoV) Manhattan Guardian - 240
Looked good in the costume, and was a decent enough guy. His four parter was a bit meh for me.

(All-Star Squadron) Tarantula - 240
I liked his second costume, but that was a retcon. His writing a book later on was one of the most interesting things about him, so he didn't get any points from me.

(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2) - 220
I enjoyed the simple purity of those early comics, when I got to read them in Archive editions. There's a lot of rough charm in them, that I don't see in the endless punch ups of later years.

(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult - 171
I was giving him points for his place in posterity. I can't say I remember enjoying what I've read of him really.

(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 100
He was always a meh character for me. I liked the reincarnation/ archaeology/Egyptian side of Hawkman and not so much the feathers.

(Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2) - 54
I thought she'd do a little better, but then I thought that of all the Big 3. Those early issues are fun and I probably enjoy them more now than I would have done as a kid, just for reading between the lines.

(Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2) - 10
I was wondering if Supes and Bats didn't get points as they were peripheral to the JSA, rather than their status in the Golden Age? I know I wondered about giving them points early on. His death seemed a bit throwaway at the time. Somehow, not powerful enough. But we got others stepping up to take over, and the America vs the JSA mini series. Considering what happened to Golden Age Supes and Wondy in the end, Batman's departure seems superb by comparison.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 05:58 PM
100 All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
25 (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
25 (Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl

Fawcett gets most of my votes this time do to the quality of the comics; especially Captain Marvel JR. Bulletgirl is awesome despite the space age costume, and she doesn't share a similar origin with Hawkgirl.

Sand/Sandman is a great character when you overlook the turning into monster plot device. Was that story by any chance written by Roy Thomas? If so, he also used it in regards to Wanda and Pietro's parents (the Golden Age heroes version) in regards to their real child.

Sand (I think he had a name like Sandy the Golden Boy) was originally a creation of Kirby and Simon when they first left Timely/Atlas/Marvel. They redid both of the character's costumes and had what appears to have been a successful run.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 06:13 PM
100 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
50 (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Somehow Ma Hunkle is still in there.


I loved Ma Hunkle's return in the 2000s. She poked fun at her silly Red Tornado costume. She was such a dear, acting as housekeeper and curator for the JSA.

Reminds me of my own grandma.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 07:23 PM
50 (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
100 (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 08:04 PM
I'll give some love to 3 characters that have been on my list and who are getting some love from others this round....

50 (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
50 (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
50 (Justice Society) Stargirl
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/14/16 08:13 PM
All 9 regular voters have weighed in. I am thinking of closing the round in a bit . why wait? smile
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 12:43 AM
ROUND 6 RESULTS!

Who gets a second chance?

Dave predicted correctly, there was a tie...

In ascending order...

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 25
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 25
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl - 25
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 100
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S) - 100
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 175


(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) - 200
(Justice Society) Stargirl - 200
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 225
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 275

So we have to break the tie between Firebrand and Stargirl.

Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac


In case of ties, the character who left most recently will return to the game. (E.g. if Chemical King and Invisible Kid tie, but Lyle left in Round 4 and Chem left in Round 5, then Chem gets to come back).



Firebrand left in Round 3, while Stargirl left in Round 4. So Stargirl makes it back.

So rejoining the game are:

(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl


Welcome back to these three!

And though I voted for Stargirl, I would not have minded if Firebrand made it back in!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 12:56 AM
Round 7 Begins!

Congratulations to our Top 15!

The winnowing begins again though... From 15, let us go down to a Top 10!

Pick 7 characters from the list, and rank them 1-7. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 155
2 - 85
3 - 45
4 - 25
5 - 12
6 - 5
7 - 1

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
Freedom Fighters
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The Top 15!

(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 01:02 AM
1 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
2 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3 - (Justice Society) Stargirl
4 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
5 - (Justice Society) Power Girl
6 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
7 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 01:12 AM
1. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (Justice Society) Power Girl
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
6. (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
7. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)

I've never had more trouble filling in a list in a Survivor game.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 06:23 AM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (Justice Society) Power Girl
5. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
6. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
7. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 08:48 AM
1. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
4. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
5. (Justice Society) Cyclone
6. (Justice Society) Power Girl
7. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 10:10 AM
1. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
6. (Justice Society) Power Girl
7. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)



Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 09:08 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Power Girl
3. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
4. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
5. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
6. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
7. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 09:09 PM
Wow, at the rate we are going, I might have to move up the Spider-Villain Idol to November! We might be finished before October (I like to give at least 1 month between Idols).

1. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
3. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
4. (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
5. (Justice Society) Stargirl
6. (Justice Society) Cyclone
7. (Justice Society) Power Girl

Plastic Man is the last non-DC creation on the list. I encourage everyone to take a look at Golden Age Plastic Man art, it is extraordinary.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 09:24 PM
We should be finished in two weeks. We will only have 3-5 more rounds from here - I'm still deciding how many, exactly.

I would be interested in seeing what Golden Age Plastic Man is like. I recall he also had a cartoon some time back.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 09:39 PM
Now that I'm thinking about, I'm making a lot of choices based on artists or writers. Do you think, maybe next year, we could do a artist or writers Idol? Or would it be pointless because Kirby/Lee or Clarmont/Byrne would probably win (this is what I assume)?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/15/16 11:50 PM
I'd be interested to play in an artist/writer Idol (I think someone else suggested this during JLA Idol). But I wouldn't be interested to run it. I don't know that many creators, or even if I know them I'm not that familiar with the work of most of them.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/16/16 07:19 AM
1. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
3. (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
4. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
5. (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
6. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
7. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/16/16 12:40 PM
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 155
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) 85
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man 45
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) 25
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) 12
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) 5
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 1
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/17/16 09:44 AM
ROUND 7 RESULTS!

Some interesting shifts in the rankings here, as voters are forced to choose among characters for vital spots on the list. Who goes home?

(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 472
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 390
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 264
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 253
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 240
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 206
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 181
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 172
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 160
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 158


and going home today...

(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 131
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 124
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 114
(Justice Society) Stargirl - 57
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 30

Kendra was doing reasonably well in earlier rounds, but her points were coming mainly from 2 voters - not enough to stay in the game.

Rex Tyler becomes our next founder casualty.

Stargirl and Spectre came back last round only to exit this round! On the other hand, Robin made the most of his return to land in 2nd place this round!

First is still Huntress, who is making her dad proud. She is really dominating.

And Plastic Man exits as well. I always associated him with the JLA, and not the Freedom Fighters - though I was aware he fought in WWII.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 3) - 09/17/16 09:52 AM
Round 8 Begins!

Congratulations to our Top 10!

Now... let's go down to 7!

Pick 5 characters from the list and rank them 1-5. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 90
2 - 40
3 - 15
4 - 5
5 - 1


House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory

I listed characters according to code name. When classifying them under the appropriate team, I started with the JSA - so if a character has ever been a JSA member, they are listed there. Besides Hector Hall as Dr. Fate and Silver Scarab, I only listed a "core" reality character under one team. So Al Rothstein is Atom-Smasher under JSA, and is not listed under Infinity Inc. as Nuklon.

The Top 10!

(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 09:58 AM
Our list is exactly 5 females and 5 males. A nice mix of eras represented as well, with two Earth-2 only characters and three "new blood" characters (Michael Holt, Cyclone, Ystina).

Pleasantly surprised to see Ma Hunkle and Cyclone still hanging on. I didn't think they would get this far.

Not surprised that Alan, Jay and Dr. Fate are the last founders remaining. They always seemed like the biggest mainstays IMO.

And of course, Power Girl.

1 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
2 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
3 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)


Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 10:45 AM
Sorry to see a lot of these go in Round 7.

(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 131
A strong character, who I enjoyed being distinctive in her own right, rather than "Hawkman & ..." I think Shayera has been more strongly portrayed as time has gone by too though.

(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 124
He's really far too powerful to be a crime fighter, but it's that mix of mortality with cosmic supernatural that provides a lot of the edge to him.

(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 114
I was thinking of the Jack Cole stories as I voted for him. So, definitely points for the golden age, rather than any JSA/Squadron or later JLA appearances. Its sheer inventiveness is just something you don't see later on. Oh, and not least because of LW's Woozy Winks thread!

(Justice Society) Stargirl - 57
Not someone I've read a huge amount of, beyond a few Stars and S.T.R.P.E. well after it was cancelled. Clearly a stand out of the JSA run though.

(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 30
Back in the days when pill popping was as acceptable as putting cocaine into coca cola used to be. Rex is lucky they weren't atomically powered into the bargain. :-)

As Superman became invulnerable, Rex still only had his hour of power He was a vulnerable action hero fro most of his life, which gave him a sort of demi god status in between the likes of Lantern, Fate and the Spectre. He uses his powers to do good deeds, the details of which he receives by mail.
Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 12:17 PM
1. (Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Anna Fortune
Because the girl is steampunk and I love her short time with the team and we never really got the chance to see her developed. I mad got plans on doing a conversion of her too.

2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Because come on he 75 years in the business and awesome. No wooden hangers!!!!

3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
She just kicks ass.

4. (Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
Another one I loved that got the short run (plus another I plan on during a conversion of).

5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
Because he is awesome!

Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 12:17 PM
1. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Cyclone
Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 12:34 PM
Ok so rules have been explained to me. I'm sad but willing to adjust my choices, sniffle.

Sub out Anna for Jay Garrick Flash.

Jeffrey is replaced with Doctor Fate since he is a Lord of Order and can mess with my and my future selves karma.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 12:41 PM
1 – (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
2 – (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
3 – (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4 – (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
5 – (Justice Society) Power Girl

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 12:44 PM
What do you get if you cross Doctor Fate with a Durlan?

Karma Chameleon.


Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 12:51 PM
1. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (Justice Society) Power Girl
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 02:16 PM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
3. (Justice Society) Power Girl
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)


Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 02:50 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Power Girl
3. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
4. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
5. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 03:25 PM
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 90
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) 40
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 15
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) 5
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) 1
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 03:47 PM
1. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
5. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 03:58 PM
I am curious, and I don't want to sound rude, but why do people like Earth-2 Robin? Isn't he basically the same as Earth-1 Robin?

1. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
3. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
4. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
5. (Justice Society) Power Girl

Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 04:51 PM
I'm voting for him because I was always thrilled to see him in the Super Squad, the JLA/JSA crossovers, Infinity Inc and in the Huntress backups in Wonder Woman. He epitomized how Earth 2 was different from Earth 1.

Plus he had that kooky yellow cowl thing. I loved the idea of an adult Dick Grayson being part of the "big leagues" of the JSA.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 04:59 PM
For me he's a very early example of a legacy character. It looked as though Earth-1 Robin would always be young, while this version had matured and would go onto be an ambassador.

Nightwing may have come along after the success of the Titans, but Earth-2 Robin was a grown up crimefighter a lot earlier.

I was curious about Ma Hunkle, why Ystina and why over Justin, Cyclone & Mr Terrific myself and would love to hear more about what they mean to the other voters.
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 05:26 PM
Mr.Terrific is an example of a "legacy" (at least in codename) that is more interesting and well-known than the original. He is extremely intelligent, is good at robotics, and has displayed a good head for leadership. His costume nods to the past, while being completely original and modern.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/17/16 08:21 PM
Happy to see us engaging in discussion about the characters! We had a lot of that in JLA Idol, and I hope we have more of that here in JSA Idol too.

Originally Posted by thoth lad

I was curious about Ma Hunkle, why Ystina and why over Justin, Cyclone & Mr Terrific myself and would love to hear more about what they mean to the other voters.


Michael Holt - I agree with Emily, I always found him much more interesting than Terry. Michael was smart, but we saw that many more practical appliacations of that intelligence than we did in Terry.

Cyclone - she was sweet. I empathized with her "atypical depression", her tendency to embarrass herself by babbling on and on, and her "uncool" hobbies. She was a big fan of Wicked, one of my favorite musicals. I love her wind powers, how she used them to great effect such as letting the whole team fly

Ma Hunkle - plucky housewife puts on a costume to fight thugs harassing her neighborhood. So endearing. She did well enough to be noticed by the JSA. She went into witness protection for decades because she testified against some mob members, this involved faking her own death and keeping away from her own children (!) to protect them. The JSA thought so highly of her that when she finally felt she could come out of hiding (because all the mob members had died), they made her their museum curator and housekeeper.

She reminds me so much of my own grandma.

I'm sure Dave can give you more about Ystina. I've never read comics with her in it. She seems to have an interesting backstory, though.

As for E2 Robin, I did like him in the few issues I read as well. A grown up Robin, anyway.

Originally Posted by Jfposey
1. (Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Anna Fortune
Because the girl is steampunk and I love her short time with the team and we never really got the chance to see her developed. I mad got plans on doing a conversion of her too.

2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Because come on he 75 years in the business and awesome. No wooden hangers!!!!

3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
She just kicks ass.

4. (Justice Society) (Pre-Flashpoint) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
Another one I loved that got the short run (plus another I plan on during a conversion of).

5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
Because he is awesome!

Originally Posted by Jfposey
Ok so rules have been explained to me. I'm sad but willing to adjust my choices, sniffle.

Sub out Anna for Jay Garrick Flash.

Jeffrey is replaced with Doctor Fate since he is a Lord of Order and can mess with my and my future selves karma.


Happy to see you joining in, Jfposey! And thanks to whomever explained the rules. A nice mix of eras on your list; pleasantly surprised to see a vote for Anna Fortune. I did like her short time in JSA All-Stars.

So your new list would be:

1. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)

Do you want to change your ranking as well? #1 gets way more points than #5, for example.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 06:58 AM
Thanks for the thoughts on those, guys. I quite liked the idea behind Terry Sloane being so naturally good at things that he got no enjoyment out of life whatsoever. It subverted a lot of the other bored millionaire playboy origins. Typing that, there's actually a good modern parallel behind depression striking people from anywhere in society, no matter how their lives are perceived by others.

I'm quite sure this doesn't cross the writers minds, but when Terry walks into a room as Mr Terrific, I think there's a bit of self depreciating humour behind it. It's a name to remind him of how bad being terrific was, and what he's putting the mask on for.

I know there was some tragedy and suicidal tendencies in his origins, but could the name also apply in the same way for him?

He's a really strong character. You could easily see his personality in a number of roles.Michael Holt: Batman or Michael Holt: Hourman etc. work just as well in my head for him as Mister Terrific.

I've not read a huge amount of Cyclone. I wasn't a huge fan of some of the raison d'êtres behind the DC teams, so the younger legacy characters weren't quite as interesting and the cast size didn't help fro me.

I 've read even less on Ma Hunkle, beyond the Golden Age appearances. It's nice that she's getting some overdue coverage. Ibby's connection on a personal level makes a lot more sense as to why's she's on the list for me, so thanks very much for that.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 07:07 AM
Thanks also for sharing some background on Terry, thoth. That makes him stand out from the field of rich talented non-powered heroes. I do recall a story where Terry went to pieces witnessing an Allied army attack on a German village during WWII. It humanized him a lot.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 07:15 AM
Originally Posted by Jfposey
Ok so rules have been explained to me. I'm sad but willing to adjust my choices, sniffle.

Sub out Anna for Jay Garrick Flash.

Jeffrey is replaced with Doctor Fate since he is a Lord of Order and can mess with my and my future selves karma.


Spoke with jfposey and he did indeed want to change his ranking to:
Originally Posted by Jfposey
#1. Alan

#2. Helena

#3. Michael

#4. Jay

#5. Kent


So that's:

1. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Happy to see us engaging in discussion about the characters! We had a lot of that in JLA Idol, and I hope we have more of that here in JSA Idol too.

Happy to see you joining in, Jfposey! And thanks to whomever explained the rules. A nice mix of eras on your list; pleasantly surprised to see a vote for Anna Fortune. I did like her short time in JSA All-Stars.

So your new list would be:

1. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
5. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)

Do you want to change your ranking as well? #1 gets way more points than #5, for example.


1. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
4. (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
5. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

Alan was an inspirational character for me as a child. My uncle, who was an artist, drew my first superhero character for me and that was Alan. I was thrilled. He was awesome. He had a sidekick who was not a teenage boy and to almost anything with his ring. Except wood. Hero has to have a weakness. He brings such great memories that he will be always #1.

Kent would not be so low on my list either if the question was for the Mystics. He would then be #1.

Jay should be #2 but Helena is my #1 female vote here. She's badass and knows it.

Jay is the epitome of a hero. But Michael's T spheres and his intelligence make him awesome and he like Terry had that tragic suicide depression due to great loss. There is a inner depth to his character that makes him seem to be able to command your attention. I loved Terry and the other Golden Age members. But Michael represents the future. An African-American character who can be a true hero for his community. Yes, he is incredibly rich but he cares for others with passion. He was an excellent choice to being the new Mr. Terrific and carrying on Terry's legacy.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 08:23 AM
^ Great reminiscence JFP!

And I agree re: Mr Terrific. He is easily the best of all of the post-Crisis legacy JSA characters in my opinion.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 08:27 AM
And pre-Crisis Huntress was a truly special character too.

I know her post-Crisis counter-part is really popular in some circles but they are two totally different characters and in my opinion, the second has never come close to matching the spirit and tragedy of the original.
Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 08:32 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula
^ Great reminiscence JFP!

And I agree re: Mr Terrific. He is easily the best of all of the post-Crisis legacy JSA characters in my opinion.


He has his place of honor in my collection. Sorry about the grainy quality of the photo.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 08:52 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula
And pre-Crisis Huntress was a truly special character too.

I know her post-Crisis counter-part is really popular in some circles but they are two totally different characters and in my opinion, the second has never come close to matching the spirit and tragedy of the original.


I agree. Their personalities are quite different too. I like both but would never consider them the same character.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I do recall a story where Terry went to pieces witnessing an Allied army attack on a German village during WWII. It humanized him a lot.


I don't think I've seen that. You do wonder what goes through the mind of someone whose supposedly good at anything, but who looks out at such a flawed world.

Great memories Jfp. Like the other Idols I've been part of, when it gets down to this level, any one of these would make for a fine winner.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 09:39 AM
It was in the Justice Society Returns mini series where they fought the Stalker.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Justice_Society_Returns
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 10:37 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
ROUND 1 RESULTS!

1/3 of votes were needed to survive this round. With 9 voters, a character needed 3 votes to make it.

Only about 30% of our original list survived this round!

Nobody got 9 votes.

8 votes (89% of the vote

(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)


7 votes (78%)

(All-Star Squadron) Zatara
(Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
(Infinity Inc.) Jade
(Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman

6 votes (67%)

(All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
(All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
(All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
(All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
(All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
(Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
(Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)



Pretty interesting, that only half our top 10 were top vote-getters in the first round!
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 02:39 PM
Those with the broadest bases don't always reach the highest peaks.

Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 02:53 PM
I really thought Danette Reilly was going to burn up the charts. She was on fire!

(I'm not sorry.)

Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 02:57 PM
Yeah, she unexpectedly crashed and burned.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Those with the broadest bases don't always reach the highest peaks.


Ooh, that's dirty.

Or not, but it's funner if it is.

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 06:21 PM
Wise Man thoth had shed light on the early eliminations of many top vote getters in Round 1.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 06:24 PM
Thank you Ibby. Set, please report to the Shameless Hussy thread. Honestly, there hadn't even been time for a religion to be built on my wisdom, never mind the resultant obligatory sex scandal. smile

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/18/16 08:09 PM
I bet Set is burning up at being called a Shameless Hussy tongue

Alas, thoth's profound quote will now forever be tainted.

Round ends later tonight. And I think you will all be surprised at my next round wink
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
why Ystina and why over Justin


I loved just about everything about the re-imagined Seven Soldiers, but Ystina was especially cool because she had such a great arc: Hiding her gender to serve her kingdom, unrequited love for Gallahad, her despair at losing Camelot, and then overcoming that to rise again against the Sheeda Queen (and Gallahad). She also had the best premise to continue her story in modern times (sadly no one picked up that torch). I also really like the idea of Camelot as recurring archetype, so that she and Justin didn't conflict (would have loved to see a meeting between them). And Vanguard ("Horse Feathers") was cool to boot.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/18/16 09:04 PM
Ditto. Ystina is (IMO) the best of the SSOV that Morrison conceived
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 02:17 AM
I was also a huge fan of Morrison's SSoV series (with the exception of the disappointing final issue) but [small voice] Ystina was my least favourite member.

I didn't dislike her, and the gender twist was interesting, but I just couldn't reconcile how this new Shining Knight, with all of the same props and backstory as the original Shining Knight, could co-exist in the same universe as him.

Dave says they didn't conflict though so maybe I missed something? Even if they didn't though, I don't like it when new characters come along and just needlessly undermine and steal everything that was interesting and unique about another character [see also: my great dislike of Shikari].

If Bulleteer was still in this game I would totally be throwing points her way.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 05:38 AM
Thanks for the thoughts on Ystina, particularly as my post could be read as I thought Justin was somehow the much better character. I wasn't a huge fan of his, really.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 06:15 AM
Pulling overtime today. Will end the round a tad later than usual.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 06:42 AM
Originally Posted by Blacula


Dave says they didn't conflict though so maybe I missed something? Even if they didn't though, I don't like it when new characters come along and just needlessly undermine and steal everything that was interesting and unique about another character [see also: my great dislike of Shikari].


In the interrogation issue, the analyst (later revealed to be the Sheeda Queen), lays out that Camelot is a recurring "Event" throughout history. Ystina's Camelot happened 10,000 years ago, before the Sheeda wiped out all trace of it. Justin's happened within the last millennium. So they both come from different Camelots. They played on this with the re-imagining in Demon Knights, when the New-52 Ystina boasts about being a knight of Camelot and Jason Blood and Xanadu both think she's crazy, because they never saw her before.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 06:45 AM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Honestly, there hadn't even been time for a religion to be built on my wisdom, never mind the resultant obligatory sex scandal. smile


Oh, it's always time for the obligatory sex scandal!



Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 07:33 AM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
Originally Posted by Blacula


Dave says they didn't conflict though so maybe I missed something? Even if they didn't though, I don't like it when new characters come along and just needlessly undermine and steal everything that was interesting and unique about another character [see also: my great dislike of Shikari].


In the interrogation issue, the analyst (later revealed to be the Sheeda Queen), lays out that Camelot is a recurring "Event" throughout history. Ystina's Camelot happened 10,000 years ago, before the Sheeda wiped out all trace of it. Justin's happened within the last millennium. So they both come from different Camelots. They played on this with the re-imagining in Demon Knights, when the New-52 Ystina boasts about being a knight of Camelot and Jason Blood and Xanadu both think she's crazy, because they never saw her before.


Quick break from hellish overtime -

I do like that they were able to have both Justin and Ystina coexist within the same universe. But I am having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around the idea that there were two Camelots, which both developed along roughly the same lines around 9,000 years apart.

Though from what I've read of the Sheeda, they ravage the Earth regularly every X number of years, so it does make some sort of sense that after they destroy civilization as we know it, it would evolve again along the same lines...

Just another example of a Morrison idea that makes sense, yet makes my head hurt to think about!

Originally Posted by Set
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Honestly, there hadn't even been time for a religion to be built on my wisdom, never mind the resultant obligatory sex scandal. smile


Oh, it's always time for the obligatory sex scandal!





I think it depends on who is involved in the sex scandal wink
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 08:05 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Quick break from hellish overtime -

I do like that they were able to have both Justin and Ystina coexist within the same universe. But I am having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around the idea that there were two Camelots, which both developed along roughly the same lines around 9,000 years apart. Though from what I've read of the Sheeda, they ravage the Earth regularly every X number of years, so it does make some sort of sense that after they destroy civilization as we know it, it would evolve again along the same lines...


Another way of looking at it, is the One and Future King aspect of Arthurian Legend or whatever rex quondam rexque futurus translates as.

I'm sure there are plenty of such stories out there continuing Arthurian legend. But one comic that showed it well, was Camelot 3000. Arthur and his court return in 3000, but are essentially the same. At the end we see that the legend continues again in a far off planet and civilisation.

Recurring messianic figures/ archetypes, appearing in times of strife, like so many religions have.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 08:44 AM
ROUND 8 RESULTS!

Taking a long break from hellish overtime...

A slight surprise in the results, which shows that high ranks on a few lists beats low ranks on many lists...

(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 246
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 207
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 196
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 171
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 162
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 130
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 130


And going home today...[

(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 115
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 91
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 62

Jay was on 7/10 lists, and Kara on 5/10. But they were both bumped off by Ma Hunkle and Ystina, who were each only on 2/10 lists!

Michael Holt was only on 4/10 lists as well...

though Helena Wayne is extremely popular: 8/10 lists.

Full count of number of lists a character was on:

(Justice Society) Cyclone - 2
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 7
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 7
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 7
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 8
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 4
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 5
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 2
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 6
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 2

I have to say, I like how this format can let relatively obscure characters outlast more popular ones!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 08:50 AM
I would never have thought Alan would outlast Jay (or that PG wouldn't crack the top 5).
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 7) - 09/19/16 09:09 AM
WOW -- Power Girl though!?!?!?!?!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 10:15 AM
ROUND NINE BEGINS!!

How many times has the JSA reformed? More than once, that's for sure!

And so, I bring you...

Our second (and last!) Wild Card round!

But this is going to be much tougher than the last Wild Card...

For each of the wild card contenders, simply vote YES or NO. You can give a YES to as many characters on the list below as you want.

Any character who has 75% of players vote YES makes it back next round. (if all 10 of us play, that means 8 of us must vote YES for a character to make it in).

The Wild Card list will only include the following:

1) Characters who were eliminated from Top 15 onwards...

AND

2) Characters who received a vote during the previous Wild Card Round.

I decided to include the latter, because I know a lot of us had dear favorites who went home.

This should be an interesting exercise. When we did this in the previous Idol games, only 1 character made it back for Multiverse Legion Idol; one for Titans Idol; and none for JLA Idol!

Although, the one who made it back in Titans Idol made it all the way to the Top 3! So a word of caution again - be careful who you vote for, as that character may end up bumping off one of your other favorites!

Our 16 hopefuls:

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind
(Justice Society) Cyclone
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) Stargirl
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 10:26 AM
I've thought and thought about this. I do like a lot of characters on the list. But, there are not many whom I would want back in over my remaining favorites.

So...

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - NO
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S) - NO
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) - NO
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - NO
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - NO
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - NO
(Justice Society) Cyclone - YES
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - NO
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - NO
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - NO
(Justice Society) Power Girl - NO
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - YES
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - NO
(Justice Society) Stargirl - YES
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl - NO
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 11:35 AM
Yes for...

(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 11:39 AM
Yes for:

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)


Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 11:44 AM
Yes for:

(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 11:44 AM
Well if there's no limits... I'd like to give some people a chance

Yes for
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Justice Society) Power Girl
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 11:47 AM
Wow! Looks like I've set the tone for this round. Will anyone make it?
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 11:50 AM
Yes for Flash and PG only.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 12:04 PM
Amazing Man, Firebrand and Flash look the most likely so far.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 12:10 PM
Flash is in the lead with 4/6 YESes. Amazing Man and Firebrand are next with 3/6.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 12:18 PM
3 of our 4 remaining voters have given points to Jay in the past. But will they now? Will the 4th too?

Dum...dum...duuuuummmmm!
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 12:35 PM
YES to Power Girl, Spectre, and.... the Flash!

Realistically Flash is the only one who can make it, and only if he gets the last 3 votes (Unless new people join in and start voting).

Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 02:10 PM
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) NO
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S) YES
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) NO
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror NO
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man YES
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind NO
(Justice Society) Cyclone NO
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) YES
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) YES
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) YES
(Justice Society) Power Girl NO
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) NO
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) YES
(Justice Society) Stargirl NO
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl YES
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 02:30 PM
This. Is. Intense. (Surprisingly so)
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 03:52 PM
YES to;
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror

I'd love to vote for Northwind, Power Girl, Bulletgirl and Plastic Man, at least, as well, but I'm trying to cut back. smile

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 05:51 PM
Yes basically to anyone who was published by a different company in the Golden Age for me. I love good art.

All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)- NO
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)- YES
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)- NO
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror- YES
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man- YES
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind- NO
(Justice Society) Cyclone- NO
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)- NO
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)- YES
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)- NO
(Justice Society) Power Girl- NO
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)- YES
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)- YES
(Justice Society) Stargirl- NO
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl- YES
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 05:51 PM
I don't think anyone makes it!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 05:53 PM
Plastic Man has been on a few lists.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 06:37 PM
Eight was the threshold and I think the highest vote-getter was 6 (unless three or more new people vote before the deadline).
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/19/16 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
This. Is. Intense. (Surprisingly so)


This round always is, in all the Idols I have run smile

Based on the votes I do not think anyone is close to geting 75%. I'll do a quick count later today, and if it seems unlikely anyone will make it I will close the round today instead of tomorrow.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/20/16 03:42 AM
Like Dave said, Jay had to get the last two votes, and ended up with neither of them.

Good round though. I do like how it differs to the previous wildcard round, by setting that threshold. Really enjoying a lot of the tough decisions in this one.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/20/16 05:51 AM
Dave and thoth are correct. Highest vote getter had only 6/10 points. I crunched some numbers, and to reach 75%, this character would need to get 6 more YES votes and no NOs from the next 6 voters - that would give 12/16, or 75%.

And so...

ROUND 9 ENDS!

As thoth said, I really love this special Wild Card format. It always gives interesting results.

When we did this in JLA Idol, both Atom (Ray Palmer) and Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) only got 9/14 YESes, they would have needed 15/20 to make it through.

In Titans Idol, it was Flamebird who made like a phoenix; she got through this round and finished in 3rd place.

In Multiverse Legion Idol, Retroboot Tyroc also returned in this round to make a Top 13; he would finish at a respectable 7th.

But here, nobody makes it through...
(Infinity Inc.) Northwind - 0 ( 0% )
(Justice Society) Cyclone - 1 ( 10% )
(Justice Society) Stargirl - 1 ( 10% )
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S) - 2 ( 20% )
(All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror - 3 ( 30% )
(Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) - 3 ( 30% )
(Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler) - 3 ( 30% )
(Justice Society) Power Girl - 3 ( 30% )
(Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins) - 3 ( 30% )
(Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl - 3 ( 30% )
(All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett) - 4 ( 40% )
(All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly) - 4 ( 40% )
(Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man - 4 ( 40% )
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) - 4 ( 40% )
(Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick) - 6 ( 60% )

Interesting results, definitely. I guess at this point, most of us would rather protect our remaining favorites still in the game.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Pre-Game Discussions) - 09/20/16 05:57 AM
Round 10 Begins!

Home stretch, folks. With only 7 left on the list, we're going down to 5!

Pick 4 characters from the list and rank them 1-5. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 40
2 - 15
3 - 5
4 - 1

House Rules

1) Each round will last 24-48 hours. I will try to end each round at the same time, but this won't always be possible because of work.
2) I'll vote at the start of every round to minimize bias on my part.
3) I don't encourage editing of votes; it's a smart tactic but may be unfair for those who don't get to log on as often. However, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, that poster will be notified by PM immediately. If the poster cannot correct his/her votes before the end of the round, he/she will get a makeup point next round - a +15 bonus. This only applies to instances where I made the error, and not where the poster made an error.
5) Points will be given based on your ranking. The higher you rank a character on your list, the more points that character will get (e.g. Rank 1 gets 10 points, Rank 2 gets 9 points...) Point distributions will change per round. If characters tie, the tie will be broken by considering the total number of points characters have gotten in previous rounds.
6) Exception to the above will be the first 1-2 rounds of the game, which trim the list down considerably. Each vote will count as one point, and characters below a certain point threshold get eliminated.

7) Because several characters have the same code name, and because the list includes multiple realities, PLEASE SPECIFY which character you are voting for. In fact, as much as possible PLEASE use the exact name that I have used on the list (this will make it easier for me to tally votes using Microsoft Excel!)

I won't make assumptions for votes which don't identify the character clearly. Example, if you vote for:

1) Doctor Fate
2) Cyclone
3) Star-spangled Kid
4) Green Lantern (TV: Brave and the Bold)

I'll only count the votes for Cyclone and Green Lantern. I have no way of knowing if you're voting for Dr. Fate Kent Nelson vs. Dr. Fate Kent V. Nelson, or whether you're voting for Star-spangled Kid Sly Pemberton, or Courtney Whitmore (she briefly used that name)!


Teams still represented:

Justice Society of America
SSoV / Seven Soldiers of Victory


The Top 7!

(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 05:58 AM
1 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
4 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 06:10 AM
I love it that the relatively obscure Ma Hunkle and Ystina are still in the game. I seriously considered voting for Ystina, in fact, even though I have read nothing with her in it.

E2 Robin is the only Wild Card still in the game, as well.

And only 2 Founders remain - Alan and Dr. Fate.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 06:19 AM
1 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
2 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3 - (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 06:26 AM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
3. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
4. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 07:31 AM
1. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
2. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 07:56 AM
1. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 08:17 AM
1. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
4. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 10:13 AM
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 40
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 15
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) 5
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) 1
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 03:54 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
3. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
4. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 05:27 PM
1.(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
2.(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
3.(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
4.(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 07:36 PM
1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
4. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/20/16 11:12 PM
All the regular players have voted now. But unlike with the Wild Card, there is still a big opportunity for the results to change if someone new comes in. So, I'll keep the round open another day and end it around the usual time tomorrow.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:07 AM
ROUND 10 ENDS!

I think any result from this round onward would be surprising, so here goes...

(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) - 112
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 104
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 97
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina) - 81
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 80


And going home today...

(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) - 75
(Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) - 61


That brings us back to a more balanced list between the sexes.

Both of these characters were worthy contenders.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:09 AM
ROUND 11 BEGINS

Penultimate round, folks! From 5, we will go down to 3.

Pick 3 characters and rank them 1-3. Points will be given as follows:

Rank Points
1 - 10
2 - 5
3 - 1

Your Top 5!

(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:12 AM
I would be very surprised if Ma Hunkle and Ystina still manage to make it through this round. But who knows?

Alan Scott manages to dethrone Helena last round! Will that carry on over to the end of the game??

Man, this is tough...

1 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
3 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)


PS, I may have to end the round a few hours earlier on Saturday as I will be out all afternoon and evening. I might, conversely, end it a bit late instead. Let's see how it goes.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:54 AM
1 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
2 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

Man, Earth 2 Robin had a great run, for someone up against Jay Garrick and the Specter and so on!

At this point, it's super-easy for me, except the agony of trying to decide whether or not I want Kent Nelson or Helena Wayne to have my top vote! (I love them both!)

Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 06:33 AM

1. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

2. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

3. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)

Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 06:49 AM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)

2. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

3. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 08:24 AM
(Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 10
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 5
(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) 1

I thought that Mr Terrific would be the one to go through, due to his recent prominence in the JSA.

If I had to pick between the two Legacy characters, then Huntress would be the one. Robin did very well. But I always picture him in that awful wrestler/batman outfit of the JLA issues, rather than any sleek reinterpretation.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 08:37 AM
Two first place votes each saw Ma Hunkle and Ystina through last round, to one first place vote for Mr. T.

I'd also pick Huntress over Robin. Both are great, but Huntress did have the better look - and I seem to recall her having a bit more personality as well.
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 08:50 AM
1. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 09:24 AM
With Ystina generally getting points from those still to come, this is a pretty close round.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 01:08 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
2. (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 01:31 PM
So, with three votes left, it looks like Ystina can't be saved, but if Emily, Myg and I collude, we could save Ma and send Huntress home. What an upset that would be. :Evil:
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 02:19 PM
What had happened? I don't check LW for a minute and Dick goes home! Mr. T goes home! What's happening?
I'm going to need a cocktail before I vote...
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Hackett
So, with three votes left, it looks like Ystina can't be saved, but if Emily, Myg and I collude, we could save Ma and send Huntress home. What an upset that would be. :Evil:


Well, you three would definitely make Idol history with that move! tongue

Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
What had happened? I don't check LW for a minute and Dick goes home! Mr. T goes home! What's happening?
I'm going to need a cocktail before I vote...


Have all the drinks you need, and welcome to the world of Idol smile I remember way, way back in Postboot Legion Idol when Lyle Norg went home in 6th place to everyone's surprise...
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:46 PM
It is difficult for me to vote. I chose three characters, hoping at least one would make it here, but they all were eliminated.

1. (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
2. (Justice Society) Dr.Fate (Kent Nelson)
3. (SSOV) Shining Knight (Ystina)


P.S, I have started working on the Spider-Villain Idol List. I plan to post the planning the week before Halloween (so fitting). The shortness of this game is probably going to move up the next one to November.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
What had happened? I don't check LW for a minute and Dick goes home! Mr. T goes home! What's happening?
I'm going to need a cocktail before I vote...


Andy, vote Huntress! She was one of only 2 survivors from your last list! nod
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 06:34 PM
I think we know who Lardy wants for the win wink

Wow! Emily's vote os a game changer! I guess Hal really eclipsed Alan for you?

Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
I think we know who Lardy wants for the win wink



Well, I've ranked her number one consistently, even when I thought maybe I should do so for other characters to possibly save them. Win or lose, I definitely want her in the finals! nod

BTW, this isn't out of the blue. I've professed my love for Pre-Crisis Huntress in my "Pre-Crisis Justice Society" thread and in my review of her TPB "Huntress: Darknight Daughter" in, I believe, my Pile thread. Also, high marks for her involvement in the last pre-Crisis JSA series and her appearances in latter-day JLA/JSA cross-overs. LOVE Helena Wayne!!!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 07:02 PM
Yes, sadly, Alan is kind of like the forgotten Lantern it seems. Even though he mentored Kyle Raynor, he doesn't seem to have the same general exposure that other Lanterns have (maybe he has been in some JSA centered TV shows? I remember him in BBTAB asking Guy how Hal was doing). Jay Garrick is only a little better than him in that regard, thanks to the game-changing "Flash of Two Worlds" and the new "Flash" TV show.

Hal Jordan is just kind of pop culture staple at this point. He was the one sung about in "Sunshine Superman" and he is in most of the cartoons and live action (I admit that movie was awful but there is hope). With the notable exception of John Stewart (who is my personal favorite GL), no other GLs have had the same level of publicity.
Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 07:20 PM
Strategic Voting time:

1. Ma Hunkle
2. Dr. Fate
3. Shining Knight


So that saves Dr. Fate and sends either Huntress or Green Lantern (his two biggest competitors) home depending on Myg's vote.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Paladin

BTW, this isn't out of the blue. I've professed my love for Pre-Crisis Huntress in my "Pre-Crisis Justice Society" thread and in my review of her TPB "Huntress: Darknight Daughter" in, I believe, my Pile thread. Also, high marks for her involvement in the last pre-Crisis JSA series and her appearances in latter-day JLA/JSA cross-overs. LOVE Helena Wayne!!!


Here's my review of the Huntress TPB I mentioned, in case anyone who hasn't seen much of her might want to know what makes her one of the great legacy characters, imo.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
It is difficult for me to vote. I chose three characters, hoping at least one would make it here, but they all were eliminated.

P.S, I have started working on the Spider-Villain Idol List. I plan to post the planning the week before Halloween (so fitting). The shortness of this game is probably going to move up the next one to November.


Do you mean your Top 3 from the start of the game, Emily? Sorry to hear that.

Happy to hear that Spider-Villain is in the works. I'm more of a DC fan than a Marvel one, and I prefer heroes to villains, but I do look forward to playing Spider-Villain Idol.

Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
Yes, sadly, Alan is kind of like the forgotten Lantern it seems. Even though he mentored Kyle Raynor, he doesn't seem to have the same general exposure that other Lanterns have (maybe he has been in some JSA centered TV shows? I remember him in BBTAB asking Guy how Hal was doing). Jay Garrick is only a little better than him in that regard, thanks to the game-changing "Flash of Two Worlds" and the new "Flash" TV show.

Hal Jordan is just kind of pop culture staple at this point. He was the one sung about in "Sunshine Superman" and he is in most of the cartoons and live action (I admit that movie was awful but there is hope). With the notable exception of John Stewart (who is my personal favorite GL), no other GLs have had the same level of publicity.


Yeah, I have to agree that Hal's prominence is unmatched by Alan.

I'm hard-pressed to choose a favorite myself, I like Hal but I also like John. John's role in the JLU toon helps edge him out. I appreciate Alan, Kyle and Guy too though and am happy they all have their place in the DCU.

Originally Posted by Dave Hackett



So that saves Dr. Fate and sends either Huntress or Green Lantern (his two biggest competitors) home depending on Myg's vote.


That's got me excited to check the numbers and see. Losing either Helena or Alan would be a very big game-changer at this point. Helena has always been at or near the top every round, and Alan has been gaining ground lately considering many other popular JSAers have been eliminated.

Originally Posted by Paladin
Originally Posted by Paladin

BTW, this isn't out of the blue. I've professed my love for Pre-Crisis Huntress in my "Pre-Crisis Justice Society" thread and in my review of her TPB "Huntress: Darknight Daughter" in, I believe, my Pile thread. Also, high marks for her involvement in the last pre-Crisis JSA series and her appearances in latter-day JLA/JSA cross-overs. LOVE Helena Wayne!!!


Here's my review of the Huntress TPB I mentioned, in case anyone who hasn't seen much of her might want to know what makes her one of the great legacy characters, imo.


Thanks Lardy, I'll check it out! I've always liked Helena, but I've never read solo stories with her and would like to learn more.
Posted By: Fanfic Lady Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 08:29 PM
1. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)

2. (7SoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)

3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 09:11 PM
Wow! Surprise vote from Fanfie.

If I did my math right... Assuming Myg is the only other player who will vote this round, that will shake up Dave's plan to keep Dr. Fate safe for sure.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 10:40 PM
Errr I really don't know how to vote... so I'm going with my usual pattern...

1. (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
2. (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3. (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 10:44 PM
I didn't see the other votes before I put in mine. Maybe I should have to be more strategic. Sigh.
I have to admit, I LOVED Alan for a long time. As ugly as his costume was, he was SO cool to me in GL/GA. BUT in terms of JSA, Huntress and Dr. Fate are way ahead for me in terms of JSA importance (for me).
Ystina I love because of her gender-bending origin and the elegant strength with which she fought the Sheeda. In the JLA Dark, she wasn't as great but still potent IMO.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/22/16 11:16 PM
This is a nail-biter for sure!

It is becoming hard to decide. I know I'm going to have a tough time deciding in the final round.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 04:53 AM
I am ending the round now - I have time before dinner. My posts will be short and sweet as I am doing this on my phone tongue

Originally Posted by Set


Man, Earth 2 Robin had a great run, for someone up against Jay Garrick and the Specter and so on!

At this point, it's super-easy for me, except the agony of trying to decide whether or not I want Kent Nelson or Helena Wayne to have my top vote! (I love them both!)



I expected Robin to do well, but maybe I thought he was more prominent than he really was because of JLA/JSA teamups.

If my math is right you will have a lot more agony next round Set... wink
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 05:05 AM
Round 11 ends

After a nail-biter of a round...

We have another majority female Top Three (continuing the trend from most of the past Idols!)

Helena Wayne - 48
Ma Hunkel - 40
Kent Nelson - 38

And going home in 4th and 5th places...

Alan Scott - 31
Ystina - 18

Wow! What a round that was!!!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 05:07 AM
FINAL ROUND!!!!

This is it folks. No more ranking. Just vote for one character to win.

Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Red Tornado (Ma Hunkel)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 05:17 AM
Congrats to our Top 3! Wow!

I expected Ma to go home last round, but some strategic voting by Dave and a surpise 1st place vote from Emily, along with consistent first place votes from me and Quis, kept her in.

As I have said before, Ma reminds me of my grandma. She played that role for the JSA in the 2000s too. I rememver that issue where she comes back from witness protection, all the JSAers came to her. Power Girl came in, filthy and costume torn, after a bad day of fighting villains and having to look for her cat. Ma takes one look, offers her a cup o tea and a sympathetic ear. and Kara said, "Ma you're a lifesaver".

I started reading JSA comics that were published around Zero Hour, so Alan and Jay, Ted and Al and Charles McNider were always the most prominent JSAers in my mind. But Dr. Fate and Huntress were mainstays in the JLA/JSA team ups and both have spawned great legacies

I am torn. I know Ma has no chance of winning - I think only 2 others besides me would possibly vote for her this round. That leaves 8 votes between Huntress and Doc Fate. Do I vote for Ma knowing she will not win? Or support one of the others so my vote will make a difference?

Hmmmmm....

Ah, sprock it. I will vote for...

Ma Hunkel. Just like Grandma.
Posted By: Fanfic Lady Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 05:20 AM
I vote for:

Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 07:18 AM
I thought that the early voting might see Alan through to the last three, but it certainly changed in another exciting round.

For a few of the early rounds, I was worried he'd not even get this far. So I've got that happy/sad feeling that Idols are so good at delivering.

I remember reading an old interview with Marty Nodell. It was a down to earth series of reflections about the work of a writer at the time. He reflected on the origin of the character and it was a practical approach. Articles covering the golden age creations were always a treat. I seem to recall that the costume was deliberately garish.

Personally, I liked that Alan Scott was always building to something better. He was a railroad engineer building links across the world. He was a broadcaster connecting people across the airwaves. And with the ring, he would go up against the chilling Solomon Grundy and Vandal Savage. As well, as lots or regular crooks. There was some top drawer creative talent on the book too in Kanigher, Toth and Broome.

It was an issue of All Star Squadron that elevated Lantern further. Roy Thomas was never shy about showing super hero carnage. We'd later get the Last Days of the JSA. But here, the heroes were prisoners of the Brainwave. In his mind, Alan releases the power of his ring and it's terrifying. Here's a guy trying to do the right thing where he can, with the power to turn the world into an emerald cinder. You could see that this weighed on him. The Golden Age Green Lantern has always seemed a responsible guy and you can imagine that he dreaded someone like Brainwave or anyone else taking control of the ring.

This was picked up by James Robinson in the Golden Age. It's Lantern's sense of responsibility that makes him leave the ring behind (for the most part) to focus on more down to earth responsibilities that he can control, without those sorts of repercussions. Even there, he's shown as building things for a brighter future.

Back in round three I had a little list of around 20 that I wanted to do well. Of those quite a few were for their place in the scheme of things; Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Robin & Dr Occult for example. The Red Bee was there as he represents the sheer number of ideas that were around at the time, and the grit it must have taken for him to go out and fight crime. But once he got points to stand out, it was his time to go.

Around a dozen were more personal favourites - Hourman, Flash, Green Lantern, Doctor Midnight, Plastic Man, and Sandman to name several. Doctor Fate and the Huntress are also on there. But they are coloured differently as they were already clearly popular enough that I could divide my points elsewhere. So, I'm pretty pleased that both are in the final three. They've been strong throughout and deserve their place.

But which will I vote for...thinks...


Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 10:55 AM
Well, we've had one vote for each of the other two, so Imma be contrary, as is my wont;

Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)


Posted By: Dave Hackett Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/24/16 11:39 AM
Doctor Fate for the win!
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/24/16 11:39 AM
Huntress!!!!
Posted By: Quislet, Esq Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 12:50 PM
Sticking with my fav

The Red Tomato.. er ... I mean Red Tornado (Ma Hunkel)
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 01:44 PM
As of now we have a 3-way tie, with 2 votes each!
Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 04:10 PM
I'm voting for Dr.Fate for the Final Round. While I like the other two, Dr.Fate has stood the test of time. As an original JSA member, he is the best fitting to take #1 in my opinion.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 08:50 PM
hmmm Who should I vote for? hmmm

Such an agonizing choice... faint sigh

Who, oh who, should I vote for...? scream

Aw, y'all know it's GOTTA be....

HUNTRESS!!!

nod nod nod
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 10:24 PM
With 8 votes in, it is just as I thought! Two way tie for winner! Still anyone's game!
Posted By: Jfposey Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 10:45 PM
Urrrrrrrr. I am having Two Face flip the coin for me. Heads Dr. Fate, tails Huntress.

The coin is in the air. It drops as it flips.

It's, it's....

Two Face why are you looking like that?

What do you mean fate rests in the coin?

Oooooh, DOCTOR FATE!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/24/16 10:53 PM
Dr. Fate leads by one!

With two regular voters left... will we get a clear winner? Or will we end with a tie? Will we get surprise voters during the final round?

We've never had a tie for winner before... will we make Idol history?
Posted By: Fat Cramer Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 02:47 AM
Ma Hunkel.
Posted By: Blacula Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 03:03 AM
I'm really torn.

Even though I wasn't regularly voting for her (because I knew her popularity with other players would carry her through) Huntress has been one of my favourites to win from the start. Her story arc in 'Crisis' #s 11 & 12 brings a tear to my eye.

On the other hand, after nearly all of my other favourites were voted out in one terrible round, I started reassessing my feelings about the other characters, and I realised how much I actually like Dr. Fate. I absolutely love his original costume - the mask, the colours, the high pants, everything! I also love all the supporting elements of his story - from his tower in Salem, to his cool wife Inza, to the iconic ankhs he uses for his spells. IMO he's 1000x times more interesting than Aan, Jay and Ted who hogged all the spotlight in the modern era.

So I think it's appropriate that I vote for HUNTRESS and let someone else break the deadlock.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 04:32 AM
What?! Oh heck. I'm still thinking. Like Blacula, I'm a bit torn on this one. Still, maybe we'll get more late votes...

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 07:49 AM
Wow! Fat Cramer joins the game and adds a point to Ma Hunkel! This is so awesome!

Blacula gives great write-ups for both Huntress and Dr. Fate.

And poor thoth gets all the pressure of possibly having to break a tie.

I think I'll have to plan for an eventual tie... Just in case. Who knows who else will vote in the next 20 hours or so?
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 09:15 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac

And poor thoth gets all the pressure of possibly having to break a tie.


I'll be fine as sure as my name's Fall Apart Boy!
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 09:48 AM
Arm Fall Off Boy called. He wants a team-up smile
Posted By: Fat Cramer Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 09:52 AM
Thoth: are you open to bribery?
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 10:28 AM
A 3-way tie would be extremely amusing.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 10:31 AM
Run out the clock, thoth! Leave it a two-way tie between Dr. Fate and the Huntress!

All our hopes and dreams lie with you!

No pressure...

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 10:50 AM
IB, do you think we will have a run-off vote or are you going to use a Random Generator to decide?
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
A 3-way tie would be extremely amusing.


A 3 way between Dr Fate, Huntress and Ma Hunkel? This JSA idol has taken on a weird turn...
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 12:09 PM
Doctor Fate didn't star in More Fun for nothing you know. smile

Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Emily Sivana
IB, do you think we will have a run-off vote or are you going to use a Random Generator to decide?


If this were an earlier round, I would have broken the tie by looking at previous voting history (like the method I used in the first Wild Card round).

But given that this is the final round, I would rather have a run-off vote to break any ties.

Time stamp of when I ended the last round was:

September 24, 2016 05:05 PM

So I will end this round today, September 26, 2015, at 5:05 PM my time (give or take a few minutes). I will be rushing out of work around that time.

If we do end up with a tie, we will have a run-off vote only with the characters who have tied.

Which I think Set predicted, given his post wink

Originally Posted by Set
Run out the clock, thoth! Leave it a two-way tie between Dr. Fate and the Huntress!

All our hopes and dreams lie with you!

No pressure...



Oh, much pressure, thothy. Much pressure tongue
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Arm Fall Off Boy called. He wants a team-up smile


Just who I was thinking of.

Originally Posted by Fat Cramer
Thoth: are you open to bribery?


In unrelated news, the going rate in almond slices has rocketed just recently.


Originally Posted by Set
Run out the clock, thoth! Leave it a two-way tie between Dr. Fate and the Huntress! All our hopes and dreams lie with you! No pressure...


I toyed with it. But then you gave me the opportunity to crush hopes *and* dreams, which is too good to pass up. smile

Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Oh, much pressure, thothy. Much pressure tongue


I'm like Blok in #3 of the TMK run. Collapsed into rubble.



I did think about voting for Ma Hunkel to make it a 3 way tie. But my experience with the character is limited to a Who's Who entry and All Star #3. I don't think I really appreciated Shelly Moldoff's humour the way I should have. How could they let this character almost join the JSA, li'l thoth probably thought as the laughs shot past in a clown car on it's way to funsville.

So, I don't think I'd be fair on the other two if my vote went to someone I'd not supported in the previous rounds.




Some thoughts on the remaining two...

Doctor Fate

“Who is Doctor Fate?
Student of ancient mysteries that were partially destroyed when Caesar burned Alexandria’s library; delver into the unknown science of the occult and the weird; alchemist and physicist extraordinary – Doctor Fate has learned the ultimate secret of the universe – the true conversion of energy into matter and matter into energy!”

There’s not an ankh in sight in Fate’s first appearance. We’re thrown right into the action (take that modern comics!) as Wotan, and the cult he’s part of, attempts to kill Inza to get at his rival. His power over energy and matter make him overly powerful, but it’s an even match against Wotan. In the end Fate throws his nemesis off a building.

“See what new experience death will bring you Wotan! Good-Bye!”

To check if Wotan is dead, Fate goes off to the underworld in the next issue, rather than just checking for a smudge on the pavement from the window.

But that’s all part of the Golden Age fun. It’s grim and silly in equal measures as he fights gorillas, zombies and aliens in the space of a few issues. His origin toys with atomic power, as it shifts regularly between science and mysticism. He moves from the adolescent I-Can-Only-Save-The-World-By-Being-At-Least-10-Feet-Away-From-All-Women-Even-Though-They-Adore-Me approach that most of the heroes had, to at least revealing his origin to Inza. He’s very much a mix between Superman and More Fun’s own Spectre.

In later years, Doctor Fate would appear in so many JLA crossovers, that he ended up with more appearances than some of the actual members of the team.

When Crisis saw to the end of the JSA’s tenure, Doctor Fate, along with Power Girl and the Star Spangled Kid were kept. DC saw publishing opportunities with them, as they hadn’t really been replaced to the degree that a lot of the originals had.

It was fitting that Andy Helfer’s JLA team of Legends (Maguire’s rendition of Fate is particularly good) would have him in there, and he’s had a number of ongoings and minis since. So, for a guy who’s power can unbalance a story, he’s been around reasonably consistently over the years.



Huntress
Huntress, on the other hand, didn’t get nearly as many comic appearances as she should have done.

I just reread her first appearance (alongside the All-Stars issue) recently, as DC Super Stars 17 has the first case of the Legion, and was part of the rereads thread. In the text page, the idea seems to have started with Bob Layton and then Joe Staton, both of whom wanted another female member of the JSA team. Staton created the visual, and Paul Levitz (yay!) the story with input from Joe Orlando.

Blackmailed by what turns out to be false information, Catwoman performs a last crime having reformed and married Bruce Wayne. She, and the gang, are foiled by Batman who comes out of retirement only to see his wife killed by a stray shot (a shot caused by him kicking the gunman’s arm). Helena Wayne hunts down the gang’s leader and brings him to justice. Hopefully, she made sure that the information that the blackmail was based on false information made it back to her dad.

It’s a much more focused origin than a lot of the JSAers and with striking visuals from Staton that give her a very distinctive look. Beyond that, the All-Stars and a very occasional Wonder Woman comic, I’ve not read too many of the Huntress’ stories. She fitted in seamlessly in the JLA/JSA crossovers she appeared in following her debut, even if they were up against the likes of the New Gods.

The implosion took away opportunities for a lot of characters to expand. Then, like Superman & Batman in both the JSA & JLA, she and Power Girl were on the side lines of the large Infinity Inc cast.

That coincided with the planning for Crisis. We saw her story in the reformed Earth and her fate wasn’t far away (don’t look Ibby!)

Although she had the lineage of Batman and the name of a Golden Age villain, Helena always seemed a lot stronger than her origins. She was a capable, smart crime fighter with a career and the self-assurance to stand in a team of Golden Age legends.

I think I read that Levitz and Staton took advantage of the Crisis, as they wanted to rework the character themselves. I can’t recall if it was perhaps due to DC’s changing creator rights/ royalties. But, it was clear that they saw the Huntress as being a character more than capable of standing on her own.

I didn’t read to many of the revamped Huntress issues, but I don’t think it’s any coincidence that it’s Helena who’s been back with us more recently.

Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by thoth lad
Huntress Beyond that, the All-Stars and a very occasional Wonder Woman comic, I’ve not read too many of the Huntress’ stories.


Her stint as Wonder Woman's backup feature was quite lengthy, spanning WW 271-221 (with occasional absences allowing for some full-length WW adventures). That's over 4 years! I think she probably would have graduated to her own mag if not for Crisis sealing her fate. When I was a kid, I bought a few issues of WW just for the Huntress backup! The Huntress: Darknight Daughter TPB collects all of the Levitz-scripted backups and DC Superstars 17.
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 07:36 PM
Our final three is kind of interesting, the more I think about it, because they basically embody or represent three aspects of the JSA. Kent represents the founders. Helena represents the legacy. Ma represents the spirit. It's interesting how it boils down here.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 10:51 PM
That is a very nice summing up of the final 3, Lardy.

And thanks to all for sharing thoughts on the finalists. It's great reading everyone's memories about what makes these characters special.
Posted By: Myg - Andy S Re: JSA++ Idol! (Round 10) - 09/25/16 10:59 PM
Ma Hunkel kinda throws me -- since she was a joke character for so long and then Johns brought her into JSA in an interesting way

Kent Nelson's Dr. Fate is definitely my favorite iteration of the character (although I am one of the 6 people that also enjoyed Jared Stevens). His costume and abilities have always been a standout character in his appearances.

Alas, Helena Wayne was one of the first characters that I thought was completely cool. I saw both her and Dr. Fate for the first time in the JLA/JSA/New Gods crossover. They were both awesome but I loved the idea of the Batman's daughter, especially as I found other stories (like the Spirit King mystery and the WW backups).

So I'm sticking to my guns. Helena is awesome.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/25/16 11:18 PM
With Ma Hunkel, I acknowledge she didn't play the biggest role in the JSA. And I agree with Myg and thoth that she was a joke character for so long. That is why I appreciate Johns' bringing her in in a non-fighting role. A great way to make use of her.

Besides her grandma-ness, I am sticking with her because never in a million years had I expected she would make it all the way to the end of an Idol game smile
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 01:23 AM
Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
Ma Hunkel kinda throws me -- since she was a joke character for so long and then Johns brought her into JSA in an interesting way


Certainly in my time reading comics, it's the joke part that's been lost in reading the funnies. With so many gritty, dark, oh-so-serious reads, it's easy to lose sight of a time when strips from the big two could be played for laughs. For the simple fun of things. Sure, we have Ambush Bug, but it's a different, more satirical, kind of humour there.

In strips like Red Tornado and Plastic Man we see the concentrated humour that also had a vein in the comedy sidekicks of a number of heroes, and remember when there were a lot more laughs in superhero books.

Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S

Kent Nelson's Dr. Fate is definitely my favorite iteration of the character ... His costume and abilities have always been a standout character in his appearances.


Yeah, I always liked his look. Simple, elegant, and a little menacing with a good, eye catching bright colour scheme.

Originally Posted by Myg - Andy S
Alas, Helena Wayne was one of the first characters that I thought was completely cool. I saw both her and Dr. Fate for the first time in the JLA/JSA/New Gods crossover. They were both awesome but I loved the idea of the Batman's daughter, especially as I found other stories (like the Spirit King mystery and the WW backups). So I'm sticking to my guns. Helena is awesome.


Yup, getting the back issue of that would have been one of my first reads of the Huntress too. You get that transition from Dick Dillin to George Perez, when the former died. So, a pretty big story for a lot of reasons. I did get a beat up issue of All-Star with the Thorn and Wildcat at one point too.

Originally Posted by Paladin
Her stint as Wonder Woman's backup feature was quite lengthy, spanning WW 271-221 (with occasional absences allowing for some full-length WW adventures). That's over 4 years! I think she probably would have graduated to her own mag if not for Crisis sealing her fate.


Although a lot of characters had to get cut back from the Implosion, the Huntress back ups (and for so long thanks Lardy) were a sign that she was a character DC looked at for future features.


As for my vote, I'm going to go with...


Doctor Fate


The Huntress has a cool costume, a more focused origin, that very cool crossbow, a better personality and is an unmatched inheritor to one of DC's big three. There's also that little hint of disappointment that DC's policies prevented her getting past Crisis. She wasn't shelved because of any failings on her part. Quite the opposite, as her creators were keen to restart with a fresh character (according to that Absolute Crisis thing)

Fate was the JSA character, in all those crossovers who didn't really have an Earth-1 parallel. He was a sign that Earth-1 hadn't mined all of the cool stuff.

I've probably voted for the original JSAers more than their newer versions/ more recent characters. I've liked digging up some of the JSA origins to see just how much they've changed and my vote is a little swayed by that too.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 04:22 AM
FINALE ENDS!

And after a nail-biting 48 hours...

In 3rd place, against all the odds...

(Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle) - 3

In 2nd place, after dominating the list most rounds and never coming close to elimination...

(Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2) - 4

And finally, after making it through last round because of a clever player's gamble...

(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - 5

Congrats to our second male winner!

And congrats, indeed, to all our three finalists.

And a big, big thank you to all the players. As with previous Idols, a lot of the fun was sharing our experiences with the characters. I gained new appreciation for many of them because of your insights.

And as with other Idols, this one was full of surprises - thanks for an exciting few weeks.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 07:59 AM
Thanks for running such a dynamic Idol with such a good balance of culling and voting methods.

Just like to add thanks to those sharing their thoughts on the characters. Like Ibby, I think a lot of the fun is in learning what they mean to others.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 08:05 AM
Thanks thothy, I feel happy every time someone says they enjoyed the game. Especially its unpredictability and the opportunities for sharing.
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 08:12 AM
It was *tough* to cut numbers in those early rounds, and that moved seamlessly into the rounds where I'd lose people I wanted to do well every time. But at the same time, personal favourites (whether you realised it or not in my case); the ones you *had* to give top points to were allowed to develop support.

Then onto the really evenly balanced closing rounds where anything could and did happen.

I do wonder how well Anna Fortune might have done if Jf had joined just a little earlier...
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (We have a Winner!) - 09/26/16 09:51 AM
In Idol I just pick a fave and give him/her top points every round. It is not always enough to keep said fave in the game (as evidenced by Dr. Light's failure to break the top 12 in JLIdol). But if someone else ranks that character high consistently, it can get said character far. Just look at Ma Hunkel's surprising 3rd place finish!

And because I know someone will mention them, the victories of Kinetix and Kole tongue
Posted By: Lard Lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 09:56 AM
Congrats to Doc Fate for taking home the gold! Honestly, of all the founders, he was probably the one I thought least likely to win, maybe because he usually came off so cold and aloof, even as Kent Nelson. In fact, my favorite iteration of Fate was the Eric and Linda version showcased during the Dematteis/McManus run of Fate's first ongoing series. (The subsequent Messner-Loebs/Giarrano/Gross run in the same title featuring Inza was pretty good as well.) But Fate repeatedly made my lists here because of his presence and legacy in the JSA, so I can't be disappointed in the outcome.

My goal from the start was for Helena to get into the finals, so I feel gratified that she had so much support. As I've said, she was a wonderful legacy character and one who walked her own path. It's her and characters like Power Girl, Stargirl and Michael Holt who really made the JSA something more than just an older, different-looking version of the JLA. So 2nd place for her when such giants as Jay, Alan, Ted and Jim Corrigan couldn't make it that far (or not even close) is a great showing.

Shout out to Ma and Ystina for being unexpected powerhouses as well.

Excellent game, Ibby!
Posted By: thoth lad Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 11:09 AM
Helena and Kara stand as that fulcrum of JSA heroes. Linked to the originals, strong enough to stand as individuals, and ushering in the likes of Infinity Inc and all those that came after.

As I mentioned I seem to have a pool of characters, without really strong favourites. It would be the same for the Titans and Legion too. I did note that it felt as though I had to give points to Alan Scott in this one, to give him a fighting chance of staying in some rounds. It probably made him more of a favourite as the game went on as a result.
Posted By: Set Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 03:18 PM
Love that Helena and Kent lasted that long, and while Ma Hunkel was not my favorite of that trope, I do like that she soldiered on as the classic 40's hero, with no powers, just pluck and spirit and a good right hook (which was common for masked heroes of the age, including people like Dr. Midnight or Wildcat).

It was also cool that Alan and Kara lasted as long as they did, because both are classics.

I tend to vote heavily for the ones that had no chance, just because my tastes are insane, like Amazing Man and Air Wave, so it's actually cool that sometimes someone I never would have expected, like Ystina or Ma Hunkel, hangs in there with more classic character like Kent Nelson or Alan Scott.

Posted By: Emily Sivana Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 05:30 PM
This was fun. Congrats, Dr.Fate. By the way, anti-heroes on this list such as Black Adam will be in a future Villain Idol (probably Legion of Doom title). I plan to start a Spider-Villain Idol around Halloween.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/26/16 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by Paladin


Excellent game, Ibby!


Thanks, Lardy! And thanks for sharing so much about what made Huntress special.

Like with Lardy and Set, I'm also happy that we had some relatively obscure characters do so well in this game.

Glad you had fun, Emily.
Posted By: Invisible Brainiac Re: JSA++ Idol! (FINAL ROUND!!!) - 09/27/16 12:08 AM
Here's the full list of characters in the game with their final places. It's quite an interesting list with a lot of surprises!

1 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
2 - (Justice Society) Huntress (Helena Wayne of Earth-2)
3 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (Ma Hunkle)
4 - (Justice Society) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
5 - (SSoV) Shining Knight (Ystina)
6 - (Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) (Wild Card)
7 - (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
8 - (Justice Society) Flash (Jay Garrick)
9 - (Justice Society) Cyclone
10 - (Justice Society) Power Girl
11 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
12 - (Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) (Wild Card)
13 - (Freedom Fighters) Plastic Man
14 - (Justice Society) Stargirl (Wild Card)
15 - (Justice Society) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
16 - (All-Star Squadron) Sargon the Sorceror
17 - (Justice Society) Jakeem Thunder
18 - (Justice Society) Johnny Thunder
19 - (Justice Society) Sand/Sandman (Sanderson Hawkins)
(Justice Society) Robin (Dick Grayson of Earth-2) (originally eliminated)
20 - (All-Star Squadron) Amazing Man (Will Everett)
21 - (SSoV) Manhattan Guardian
22 - (All-Star Squadron) Tarantula
23 - (Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-2)
24 - (All-Star Squadron) Dr. Occult
25 - (Infinity Inc.) Northwind
26 - (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Diana of Earth-2)
27 - (Justice Society) Batman (Bruce Wayne of Earth-2)
28 - (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Drake Sr.)
29 - (SSoV) Bulleteer
30 - (Justice Society) Wildcat (Ted Grant)
(Justice Society) Spectre (Jim Corrigan) (originally eliminated)
31 - (Young All-Stars) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Justice Society) Stargirl (originally eliminated)
32 - (All-Star Squadron) Zatara
33 - (Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Rick Raleigh)
34 - (Young All-Stars) Iron Munro
35 - (Justice Society) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
36 - (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Sandra Knight)
37 - (Justice Society) Obsidian
38 - (All-Star Squadron) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
39 - (Young All-Stars) Tsunami
40 - (Justice Society) Thunderbolt
41 - (Justice Society) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
42 - (Justice Society) Starman (Jack Knight)
43 - (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand (Danette Reilly)
44 - (SSoV) Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
45 - (Justice Society) Air Wave III (Harold Jordan)
46 - (SSoV) Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
47 - (Justice Society) Damage
48 - (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)
49 - (SSoV) Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
50 - (Infinity Inc.) Brainwave, Jr.
51 - (All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel (Earth-S)
52 - (Justice Society) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
53 - (Justice Society) Atom-Smasher/Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
54 - (Justice Society) Black Canary (Dinah Lance Jr.)
55 - (Justice Society) Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross)
56 - (Infinity Inc.) Fury (Lyta Hall)
57 - (All-Star Squadron) Commander Steel
58 - (Infinity Inc.) Jade
59 - (Justice Society) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
60 - (Justice Society) Red Tornado (John Smith/Ulthoon)
61 - (All-Star Squadron) Johnny Quick
62 - (Young All-Stars) Fury (Helena Kosmatos)
63 - (Elsewords: Golden Age) Manhunter (Paul Kirk)
64 - (Squadron of Justice) Bulletgirl
65 - (Justice Society) Starman (Ted Knight)
66 - (Justice Society) Liberty Belle/Jesse Quick
67 - (Justice Society) Hourman (Rick Tyler)
68 - (Justice Society) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
69 - (All-Star Squadron) Guardian (Jim Harper)
70 - (Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Darrell Dane)
71 - (Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Thomas Wright)
72 - (Justice Society) Captain Marvel
73 - (Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
74 - (Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Hector Hall)
75 - (Justice Society) Wonder Woman (Hippolyta)
76 - (All-Star Squadron) Robotman (Robert Crane)
77 - (Justice Society) Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
78 - (Infinity Inc.) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
79 - (All-Star Squadron) Quicksilver / Max Mercury
80 - (Young All-Stars) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
81 - (Justice Society) Atom (Al Pratt)
82 - (Infinity Inc.) Mister Bones
83 - (All-Star Squadron) Mary Marvel (Earth-S)
84 - (All-Star Squadron) Whip III (Rodney Gaynor)
85 - (Infinity Inc.) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
86 - (Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Roy Lincoln)
87 - (Justice Society) Amazing Man (Markus Clay)
88 - (Freedom Fighters) Uncle Sam
89 - (All-Star Squadron) TNT
90 - (All-Star Squadron) Air Wave (Lawrence Jordan)
91 - (All-Star Squadron) Blue Beetle (Dan Garret)
92 - (All-Star Squadron) Judomaster (Hadley "Rip" Jagger)
93 - (Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Quick
94 - (Freedom Fighters) Manhunter (Dan Richards)
95 - (Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Dee Tyler)
96 - (Justice Society) Black Adam
97 - (Justice Society) Starman (Thom Kallor)
98 - (Squadron of Justice) Bulletman
99 - (SSoV) Wing

ROUND 1 ELIMINATIONS

2 votes (22%)

(All-Star Squadron) Captain Marvel Jr. (Earth-S)
(All-Star Squadron) Captain Triumph
(All-Star Squadron) Lady Blackhawk (Zinda Blake)
(All-Star Squadron) The Squire
(All-Star Squadron) Tiger
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Dan the Dyna-Mite
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hourman (Rex Tyler)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tigress (Paula Brooks)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (John Trujillo)
(Freedom Fighters) Black Condor (Ryan Kendall)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Happy Terrill)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Ray Terrill)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Starlight (Natasha Irons)
(Infinity Inc.) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Brainwave, Jr.
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Fury (Lyta Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Star-Spangled Kid/Skyman
(Justice Society) Citizen Steel
(Justice Society) Hourman (Matthew Tyler)
(Justice Society) Judomaster (Sonia Sato)
(Justice Society) King Chimera
(Justice Society) Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
(Justice Society) Miss America
(Justice Society) Mister America (Jeffrey Graves)
(Squadron of Justice) Ibis the Invincible
(SSoV) Frankenstein
(SSoV) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen of Earth-2)
(SSoV) I, Spyder
(SSoV) Klarion the Witch Boy
(SSoV) Metamorpho
(SSoV) Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman)
(SSoV) Speedy (Roy Harper of Earth-2)
(SSoV) Stripesy/STRIPE
(SSoV) Whip (Shelly Gaynor)
(SSoV) Zatanna
(Young All-Stars) Flying Fox
(Young All-Stars) Neptune Perkins

1 vote (11%)

(All-Star Squadron) Aquaman (Earth-2)
(All-Star Squadron) Black Pirate
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Andre)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Olaf)
(All-Star Squadron) Blue Boys (Tubby and Toughy)
(All-Star Squadron) Golden Gladiator
(All-Star Squadron) Little Boy Blue
(All-Star Squadron) Merlin the Magician
(All-Star Squadron) Miss Liberty
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Big Words
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Gabby
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Scrapper
(All-Star Squadron) Newsboy Legion - Tommy Tompkins
(All-Star Squadron) Speed Saunders
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Captain Triumph
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Miss America
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Starman (Ted Knight)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Thunderbolt
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Rod Reilly)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Kent Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Jester
(Freedom Fighters) Magno
(Freedom Fighters) Midnight
(Freedom Fighters) Neon the Unknown
(Freedom Fighters) Red Torpedo
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Mercy Graves
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Steel (John Henry Irons)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Black Canary
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Vixen (Amaya Jiwe)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Batman (Thomas Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Brainwave
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Fate (Khalid Ben-Hassin)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Flash (Jay Garrick)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Fury
(Justice Society) (New 52) Green Lantern
(Justice Society) (New 52) Huntress (Helena Wayne)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Jonni Thunder
(Justice Society) (New 52) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Connor Hawke)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Arrow (Oliver Queen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Bee
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Tornado (Lois Lane)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sonia Sato
(Justice Society) (New 52) Superman (Val-Zod)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Doctor Midnight (Beth Chapel)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hourwoman
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Jade
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Johnny Thunder
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Northwind
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Power Girl
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Sandman (Garrett Sanford)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Silver Scarab (Hector Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Thunderbolt
(Justice Society) Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Alex Montez)
(Justice Society) Lightning
(Justice Society) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
(Justice Society) Red Beetle
(Justice Society) Superman (Kal-El of Earth-22)
(Justice Society) Wildcat (Tom Bronson)
(Squadron of Justice) Mister Scarlet
(Squadron of Justice) Pinky the Whiz Kid
(SSoV) Adam Strange
(SSoV) Alias the Spider
(SSoV) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)
(SSoV) Dyno-Mite Dan
(SSoV) Gimmix
(SSoV) Stuff the Chinatown Kid

0 votes

(All-Star Squadron) Arak, Son of Thunder
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawk (Janos Prohaska)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Baker)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Boris)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chop-Chop)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Chuck)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Hendrickson)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Miss Fear)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Stanislaus)
(All-Star Squadron) Blackhawks (Zeg)
(All-Star Squadron) Fireball
(All-Star Squadron) Kuei
(All-Star Squadron) Little Miss Redhead
(All-Star Squadron) Phantasmo
(All-Star Squadron) Silent Knight
(All-Star Squadron) Strong Bow
(All-Star Squadron) Super-Chief
(All-Star Squadron) Tor, the Magic Master
(All-Star Squadron) Trigger Twins
(All-Star Squadron) Valda the Iron Maiden
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Americommando (Tex Thompson)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Johnny Thunder
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Robotman (Robert Crane)
(Elsewords: Golden Age) Tarantula
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Black Condor
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Man
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Doll Woman
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Human Bomb
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Phantom Lady
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Ray
(Elsewords: Multiversity) Uncle Sam
(Freedom Fighters) Doll Man (Lester Colt)
(Freedom Fighters) Firebrand (Andre Twist)
(Freedom Fighters) Human Bomb (Andy Franklin)
(Freedom Fighters) Invisible Hood (Ken Thurston)
(Freedom Fighters) Phantom Lady (Stormy Knight)
(Freedom Fighters) Ray (Stan Silver)
(Freedom Fighters) Red Bee (Jenna Raleigh)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Empathy
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Everyman
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Fury (Erik Storn)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Jade (Nicki Jones)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Matrix (Sierra)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Nuklon (Gerome McKenna)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Skyman (Jacob Colby)
(Infinity Inc.) (Pre-Flashpoint (Luthor)) Trajectory
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Flash
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Green Lantern 
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Starman
(JSA TV) (Brave & Bold) Wildcat
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Atom
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Citizen Steel
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Fate
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Doctor Mid-Nite
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Flash
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Green Lantern
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkgirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hawkman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Hourman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Mister Terrific
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Obsidian
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Sandman
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Spectre
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Stargirl
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Star-spangled Kid
(JSA TV) (Legends of Tomorrow) Wildcat
(Justice Society) (New 52) Aquawoman (Marella)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Big Barda
(Justice Society) (New 52) Captain Steel (Henry "Hank" Heywood Jr.)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Doctor Impossible (James "Jimmy" Olsen)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Eight (Terry Sloan)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Mister Miracle (Scott Free)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Obsidian
(Justice Society) (New 52) Red Torpedo
(Justice Society) (New 52) Sandman (Wesley Dodds)
(Justice Society) (New 52) Ted Grant
(Justice Society) (New 52) The Great Beast (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Atom (Al Pratt)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Hawkman (Carter Hall)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Nuklon (Al Rothstein)
(Justice Society) (Post-IC E2) Wildcat (Yolanda Montez)
(Justice Society) Anna Fortune
(Justice Society) Darknight
(Justice Society) Eclipso (Bruce Gordon)
(Justice Society) Magog
(Justice Society) Ri
(Justice Society) Roxy
(Justice Society) Shade
(Squadron of Justice) Commando Yank
(Squadron of Justice) Minute-Man
(Squadron of Justice) Phantom Eagle
(Squadron of Justice) Spy Smasher (Alan Armstrong)
(SSoV) Billy Gunn
(SSoV) Boy Blue
(SSoV) Deadman
(SSoV) Mento
(SSoV) Shining Knight (Gardner Grayle)
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