Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! CALLING THE ROLL of LSH #45 "Monster In Our Midst" (spoilers)

Some wild speculation--the mention of a loss of communication with Titan--could some cataclysm have befell members of Imra's family and subtly affected her? Or perhaps the "Intruder" planet's gravity may have disrupted the complex belts of radiation which keep telepaths "good." Also Giselle "Gazelle" Smith's home of Triton apparently was devestated so she may be destined to become the latest Legion orphan.

Uh WHAT?

So someone that is in a long term relationship isn't in charge of their own sexuality? One has to be a super bed-hopper in order to be in control?

Wow.

Chaotic may just as well be defined as not in charge and I think that's the question here, are they in charge of their decisions or is something else going on.

That's not at all what I said.

If I say, 'This tomato is red,' that does not mean that I meant, as you have argued, that nothing that is not a tomato can be red (nor that all tomatoes are red, which would be a different faulty conclusion to jump to).

I thought I quoted you? It's not what you said or it's not what you meant?

I'm on a tomato free diet so I didn't follow that at all.

I took it to mean that Imra's sleeping with Jo showed she is in control of her sexuality. That doesn't mean she lacked control of her sexuality in her relationship with Garth. The two are not mutually exclusive. Nor does it say anything about other people in relationships.

Hopefully, I understood the tomatoes.

I blame the tomatoes.

Anywho. My point is, affirming a positive;

"Ayla is in control of her own sexuality, as her choice of who and when to partner demonstrates."

does *NOT* constitute a negative;

"Long-term committed / married people are *not* in control of their own sexualities."

I *did* say the positive. I did *not* say the negative. I said nothing at all about married people or long-term committed people at all.

I said only that *Ayla* is in control of her own sexuality, not that every person who is not Ayla, or has a different situation than Ayla, is out-of-control.

So, back to the tomato. If I'd said that a tomato was red (in control of it's fruity sexuality), that *does not mean* that I said that nothing else in the world was allowed to be red (in-control of their fruit-tastic or fruit-free sexuality).

Specific-to-general error, with a half-twist in the pike position, I think. Logic never was my strong point... :>

I like peaches. Peaches are easy to understand, and just a bit sexy, or is that just me? So you're saying that just because you think Ayla's a peach doesn't mean you think the rest of us are the pits.

See, peaches are much easier.

Posted by Tromium: "Imo, Jo's kiss is just one link in a long chain of events that began building when Lightning Lad became leader."

An excellent point. I blame Supergirl.

Most of the male Legionnaires speak about Ayla with vailed, or not so vailed, disrespect.
And the girls in a society of men that think that way aren't usually super in control of themselves or their sexuality.
The way Garth and Jo speak about Imra and her current behavior is similar and BRIN is the one who mentioned the screne for Tasmia. He also isn't shown responding to her question.

It's okay, I guess, to have societies of other worlds and cultures think and behave differently but those differences need to be clearly stated, imo, to have any effect.
Especially is an entire groups, in this case the male Legionnaires, respond a certain way to those cultural differences

In the past, Winathians have been shown to have a much more casual take on sexuality. And Tas stated to Karate Kid that her people communicate with their bodies.
But that's about it.
That's not enough to counteract the male reations shown, imo.

The other issue at hand is that the future may be different, but the readers are from today and have to deal with today. How are they being influenced?

Definitely, because without being *told* that Winathians are 'adventurous' we are left with only our own preconceptions, and someone is going to come to the conclusion that Ayla is 'loose.' Garth's reaction to Imra's possible fling indicates that one Winathian, at least, is very monogamous, which only makes it appear that Ayla's behavior may not be typical, or perfectly normal and healthy.

Given the *enormous* changes in the last 1000 years regarding sexuality, I would not be surprised if 1000 years from now, the entire concept of sexual possessiveness / jealousy is considered 'quaint' or even 'novel,' because it's such a rare thing.

Granted the Legion started as a book for kids and teens, and the book has rarely been terribly futurist in it's portrayals, but it would be neat to see at least *some* signs of social progress, with the number one with a bullet be the various Legionnaires not being judgemental of their friends and teammates sex lives and self-righteously assuming that sexual behaviors 'say something' about someone or are 'not appropriate', since that sort of attitude is anachronistic and misogynistic *now,* let alone 10 centuries from now.

I don't think there has been a great deal of change in attitudes to sexuality over the lst 1000 years. Attitudes are cyclical and culturally based but in the west now, attitudes are not to dissimilar to attitudes in Europe in the C11. OK some periods the - puritans and then the Victorian era - had very repressed sexuality but in betweenmuch more liberal attitudes prevailed similar to what we see today.

I think the C31 will be like most of history in that attitudes and morals will ebb and flow with the fashion of the day

I agree Lad, many things a cyclic, but I don't feel that makes a set of values quaint or novel.
Lots of times, the ones in the minority have been correct ~ or at least mostly correct.

As a child of the sexual revolution who now works with kids, our generation was mostly wrong in thinking that 'no sexual limits' and 'situational ethics' is okay.
Our kids and grandkids have to deal with no moral foundations to stand on against what's coming at them today.