Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Pick one Legionnaire to re-imagine!

I'd pick Blok.

Blok, the World that Walks like a Man!

I'd re-imagine him as a 'world seed.' At the center of some worlds, particularly those who have been around for awhile and are inhabited, there's an elemental presence that forms, and empowers people like the Swamp Thing or possibly Terra or Firestorm, depending on who you ask (and whom you believe...).

One such world crumbled apart, and the spark of sentience that had formed within it sank into a small fragment of it's sundered mass. The Dark Man located this fragment and pulled it from the debris field marking where the world once lay.

Part of the 'evolutionary process' of a world-seed is that it will eventually find a new orbit, and increase in mass as it draws nearby asteroids and the like to itself, growing back into a planetary mass. Blok is unaware of this potential, at the moment, although he has noticed a strange fascination with asteroid belts, such as the one that lies between Mars and Jupiter...

Some day, perhaps a few centuries, or millenia from now (he's in no hurry, as even a couple thousand years is the blink of an eye on a geological scale, and it's not often a planet gets to walk like a man!), Blok will drift out to the asteroid belt, and allow his mass to increase until asteroids are drawn to him, until he becomes the heart of a new planet.

Perhaps a few centuries later, his dreaming consciousness will empower an alien settler on his stony surface with earth-manipulating properties. Perhaps her name will be Terra (or Geo-Force, or Elysion, or Caryatid .

Dawnstar.

I'd like to see more of her life on her homeworld, her family. I'd like her to have a more futuristic, less stereotypical appearance and be more of a combatant rather than just a space-navigator. Or I'd like to see her feeling particular kinship (no pun intended) with other space-faring species and even the technological aspects of ships themselves. And less of her with Wildfire, please!

Ooh, neat choice. Dawnstar was the most overtly 'transhumanist' Legionnaire, and yet we've seen little of that explored.

Bio-engineered to be a space-adapted life-form? From a baseline human? That's some amazing science, right there!

if i had to re-imagine a character i think it be cool to do Catspaw. I'd rather her be from another planet than earth...there have been several panels where they've shown a race of cat people. but I'm not sure of what the planets name is.

and I'd want to see more of her than just this girl who goes around trying to sleep with her male team members.

Also maybe have her be able to communicate with other Ferrel creatures.

I think making Catspaw from anywhere other than Earth is already a way more interesting point to start from...I like the idea of her being able to communicate with other creatures too.

If I was gonna re-imagine one of the Legionnaires, I would pick Phantom Girl....let's make Bgtzl literally be a 4th dimensional world and not just an alternate version of Earth. Give her the ability to sense things in 4 dimensions rather than 3.

I would also really play up the idea that she is actually coming to a whole other reality when she works with the Legion. Being a Legionnaire for Tinya would be a grand adventure, like visiting Oz or Narnia. I would have her constantly bemused by novelties of 3D space, and conversely have her talking about stuff constantly that is totally outside any of the Legion's frame of reference. Play up a weird kind of friendship between her and Brainy; even though their personalities are so dissimilar, he's the only Legionnaire who can ever really come close to understanding the world the way she does so they naturally have some private jokes and shared experiences that nobody else gets.

She would also have a lot more patience for Quislet than the others do, because she gets where he's coming from a lot of the time with his weird attitudes towards the world around him.

Oh, so many, so many. How to choose?

Timber Wolf: A native of Zoon, a planet of lupine aliens, Brin Londo possesses enhanced strength, speed, agility, nasty claws, and advanced fighting skills. An outcast of his pack (and world) because he is so relatively so small and weak (even Zoonian vixen top seven feet tall) he psychologically needs the “family” of the Legion to stay sane. Just don’t put him in a leadership position: the resulting rush of testosterone makes him overly aggressive and reckless, as his endocrine system tries to turn him into an Alpha male.

Ooh, nice pick! Tinya has been *said* to have a fourth dimensional spatial nature, but never actually been shown to function in that way, in the comics, which have instead just made her 'intangible girl.'

A person able to interact with a fourth spatial dimension wouldn't pass *through* matter, but would go *around* it, and, to our eyes, perhaps seem to shrink into the object and out the other side, or just 'slide' around it somehow really fast, because our senses can't see into the fourth spatial dimension she's using to sidestep the barrier.

She'd also see through three dimensional matter the same way I can move my head to see on both sides of a piece of paper at the same time.

There's also the question of whether or not she'd treat three dimensional matter as delicate and fragile as we treat ultra-thin substances. Depending on how it works (and there's no guarantee either way), *any* three dimensional material could be as easy for her 4D self to tear through like it was a gauzy sheet of tissue paper. (Which seems to be the way it works for the totally awesome 3rd tier DC character 4D, who knocked Wonder Woman flat with a single blow.)

Phantom Girl's been handled as a girl who can phase through matter long enough that making her an actual 4D entity would be a pretty radical change, but one that could be fascinating.

A totally different re-interpretation could be that Bgtzl is the afterlife (or, at least, [i]an[i] afterlife!), and Tinya (and the rest of her people) are actually ghosts, but they haven't bothered to tell the rest of the United Planets that yet, because they are pretty sure that the living aren't going to be comfortable with the notion that, thanks to Bgtzl joining the United Planets, the dead actually *are* voting...

In any event, Bgtzl has been woefully underexplored. Is there just Bgtzl, a single world, co-terminous with Earth, over there in Bgtzl-space? Is there an entire solar system and a 'Bgtzl-sun' and a 'Bgtzl-Mars?' Are there other races, such as Bgtzl-Atlanteans or Bgtzl-Titanians? Is there an entire other universe 'over there,' and is it one of the 52, or is it entirely different (which each of the 52 potentially having it's own Bgtzl?), and if the 'Bgtzl-verse' has many other worlds, does it have it's own United Planets and it's own teams of super-heroes and / or villains and / or hostile aliens like Bgtzl-Khund or Bgtzl-Dominators?

That's rather a huge amount of unresolved questions about Bgtzl! For simplicity, I think I'd prefer that Bgtzl was just a 'counter-Earth' in another dimensional phase, and there wasn't an entire universe over there.

If there was an entire universe over there, it must be awfully boring, if Tinya has never in all these years had to go over there and fight crime or call on her teammates to help her save Bgtzl from an alien invasion or the Bgtzl-equivalent of Mordru or the Time Trapper!

I really liked the re-imaging for Triplicate Girl from the three boot. It kind of fits in with her being powered up into Duplicate Damsel. For those who did not read the three boot, Luornu's origin is that she wakes up on Cargg, which is in ruins. She doesn't remember who she is or how she got there. She is the only person there. She then discovers that she is able to duplicate herself multiple times. In this way she repopulates the planet with herself. Three of the duplicates are sent to Earth and end up joining the Legion.

isn't this kind of how she and briany were portrayed in the origin series?

Kinetix, of course. There was nothing wrong with her origin story, but I'd like to explore her feelings of relative powerlessness more. Her thirst for power seemed to stem from feelings of uselessness and imperfection.

I'd have her be "resurrected" by Mysa as a powerless human. She'd be forced to deal with her need for power; she'd eventually realize it was really a need for fulfillment and accomplishment, which she can find in another way by becoming a famous fashion designer or something. When she's got it made, the Emerald Eye comes back for her... and she begins to think, "Can I tame it or not?"

I haven't read that series, but from what I hear, it is....

On a similar note, it's kind of interesting that Brainy has never shown a more overt interest in Quislet. A sentient energy creature who throws heaps of natural laws out the window? I would have thought that'd be something Brainy would be all over!

On a similar note, it's kind of interesting that Brainy has never shown a more overt interest in Quislet. A sentient energy creature who throws heaps of natural laws out the window? I would have thought that'd be something Brainy would be all over![/QB][/QUOTE]


agreed. you would think he would do that..

i really like this idea. minus the emerald eye part. i feel like she's so tied to it and yet she's never been an empress that i want to see her with out it...

I sort of re-imagined Shadow Lass in this fanfic:

http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001080

Although I don't know if it was so much a re-imagining as a re-affirmation, toning down the aspects that I felt were over-the-top (cattiness, bad temper, clinginess) and emphasizing that she's a regal warrior born into a noble legacy.

Based on his frustrated reaction to the Gil'Dishppan technology after the LSV war / death of Karate Kid, I get the impression that Brainiac 5 has little patience for technology that draws on physical laws he doesn't already subscribe to. In a way, that's kind of neat, since it puts a limit on him (even if it's a self-imposed limit, drawn from his own ego), and explains why he hasn't spend twenty minutes 'figuring out magic' and out-sorcerer-ing the White Witch...

But Quislet is indeed an interesting one. I'd have loved if, instead of an energy being, or the original concept of a single slug-like critter inside the ship, there was a crew of tiny extra-dimensional aliens (not necessarily predominantly humanoid, either!) inside the ship, maybe as many as twenty or thirty of them.

'Quislet' would be the name of the ship, and whoever is sitting in the captain's chair at the time (since they take shifts, no one of them sitting there 24 hours a day!) speaking to the Legionnaires through the ship's communications systems as 'Quislet.'

Yeah I like that idea for Quislet, and it's really not too difficult to introduce something like that even now - it would be easy to say that we have only ever really seen him through the filter of the Legion's own perceptions. If the Legion think Quislet is a singular entity, why would he bother pointing out that they're wrong? I can see him getting a laugh out of the whole thing even.

I tend to think that the Quislet we have now is a result of the original entity we knew as Quislet being reabsorbed back into the collective Teallian consciousness, his experiences disseminated into their shared memory, and then them realising that there is SOME value to individuality so they rebuilt him and sent him out to our world again (but with a few personaliy tweaks to make him not SO independent so he could still be controlled).

I also think it would be interesting for the Legion to have to face the idea that just MAYBE Wildfire did the wrong thing helping Quislet escape Teall the first time around, and that maybe for the Teallians, individuality really is a psychiatric condition which needs to be treated. If the whole structure of their universe depends on their flawless cooperation with one another, what sort of chaos would result from introducing the idea that each entity can act in its own self-interest?

Hmmm, I think I am hatching a plot idea......

In sort-of-but-not-really-related news, one of the things I liked about Triad in the reboot was that her three separate personalities were an aberration on Cargg...it would have been cool if that storyline hadn't been painted in a way that made the Carggites look definitively wrong for suppressing their three personalities, but instead left the door open for people to make up their own minds about it...

Do it! i think you'd do it some justice!

That is intriguing. I'm re-watching Star Trek: Deep Space Nine on Netflix right now, so it reminds me of the Changelings sending a bunch of themselves out to learn new things and then intending to re-absorb them and re-integrate them, only to find that Odo has learned individualistic stuff that doesn't assimilate well. That seems to be a recurring theme, in sci-fi stuff, with Threeboot Luornu being shunned by her other 'selves' for learning too much scary stuff.

Attempts to infect collective species with individuality are standard tropes in shows like the Battlestar Galactica reboot or against groups like the Borg.

Bedard reimagined Dawnstar in dotREBELS.
Starhaven stopped being a luxury colony and became the abducted Anastasi.
They had been taken many centuries before the original colonists, used as experimental subjects by the alien race that stole them and then, abandoned.

All of them could fly, except the girl who would become the reimagined Dawnstar.
She was a cripple and outcast, someone who could track spaceships across the local systems, which was useless to her people and even suspicious to them.

Vril Dox came to get her and convinced her to join his team of misfits and rejects.
He tricked her into getting into a containment suit, after which, he turned her into an energy being, like Wildfire.

Terrible stuff, but now she could fly through space on energy wings and follow the starships she'd only been able to see in her minds eye before.
She also had energy blasts.
Great character and I'm afraid I liked her much better than Dawnstar.
She's called Wildstar.

Gim was reimagined in 3boot, where he was a giant who could shrink to human size, thus he was called, Micro Lad.
Silly.

Shady became Umbra.
<3 Umbra.
sigh

I also love the Paul's origin story for Tinya. I just wish he'd take it further, like, why did her homeworld send her through a wormhole to warn our universe of an invasion?
Kono was a reimagined Tinya, really. She shifted matter or something. I remember her causing badguys to phase through rock, getting stuck there.

Now that I've gotten all of that out of my system, I try to come up with someone to rethink, just for this thread.

I like that, FL. Preboot Shady annoyed me by being emotional to the point of helplessness - I remember the annual where Computo took over Danielle Foccart's body. Shady pretty much just cried and yelled at Element Lad to save Mon-El, without really doing much in return. Would have liked it better if she'd been more constructive, THEN cried when she and Mon were reunited.

Hmmm, good point. There are other sources of power out there, after all...

In the Postboot, Gates was also shunned on Vyrga for not agreeing with everyone else. I'd say Quislet's story takes it a step further, of course, but it'd be interesting to see Gates and Quislet interacting...

i think gates might find him a bit infuriating like everyone else does. and then talk to him about his reasons for leaving a collective mind.

"Quislet think grumpy-grump Gates too too boring! So much ideaspeak, too little party!"

Thanks, Ibby.

She was indeed a frustrating character Preboot. She had great moments that made her my favorite Legionnaire, but her great moments barely out-balanced her cringesome moments.

Umbra, what little I've read of her, was much more to my liking, but doesn't seem to have gotten too many spotlights (the DnA/Lightle spotlight on her is one of my favorite comics ev-ah!)

The less said about Threeboot and Retroboot Shady, the better.

Shady had a moment against Darkseid.


Umbra was one of the featured Legionnaires in the original LOST arc and she had another Lightle story after the LOST got home.
Before DnA&Coipel, she was also featured a number of times as part of the team, especially against Mordru.

And yeah, let's forget Prime and Retro Shady.
ugh