Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Legion of Super-Heroes #5 (Preview & Spoilers)

I half expected Dream Girl to be given the ring for a second there...
Can you imagine the sheer power a GL would command if they had the ability to see into the future? What a friggin' cool idea that would be!

(and maybe they just might do that very thing if they are, in fact, building an army of Lanterns for the 31st century)

It may also just be creative license on the cover to show that he's sleeping with a Legionnaire. He might not actually remove the ring in the story itself.

He has to to get his gloves off.

i think the guardian's comment can have some fact to it...considering that the guardians didnt learn their lessons.

-not reacting fast enough to the first crisis.
-not helping out their "favorite" green lantern hal jordan when he was suffering.
-not telling the truth about the being that's the avatar of the white lantern.
-not evolving themselves like Ganhet did to be a more effective and hands on guardian.

I guess the problem with that sort of thing is that, as someone who hasn't read much of the latest Green Lantern stuff, I don't have any idea what any of those things are about. Nor, as a Legion fan, do I really think I *need* to know about 20th century Geoff Johns storylines, just as I don't really expect to need to know who Damian Wayne is, or whether or not 'Sword of the Atom' is still in continuity to make sense of something being said in a Legion of Super-Heroes story set 1000 years later.

Sure, Harmonia Li said 'least wise,' but she could have, much more accurately, said 'least relevant to this comic book.'

yet some of what happend in the 21st century can be touched on in the legion...since it is the same universe. You don't have to know everything but gotta respect its a shared universe.

I get Brightest Day but I haven't actually waded through it.
sigh
Who is the White Lantern?
I've been dying to find out.

And why does Dyogene keep picking the wrong people?
I thought that the rings themselves picked their new user.

lol!
And very astute!

Something else else to do with fact that the GL planet Mogo no longer exists as a guiding force which has prevented rings from seeking new bearers on their own.

No much happens in the issue, other than Harmonia Li giving off even more sinister vibes, poor Kimball Zendak being assassinated (though you'd assume that SP's would keep their landing bays under much heavier surveillance), and the "revelation" of Shady being with Earthman. Have never got the impression that Niedrigh was a true xenophobe, (as such a person would have never sought out Legion membership in the first place), merely one in word, and only when it served his own personal agenda. Therefore his "betrayal" of the cadre of "Earthers for Earth" leadership was not much of a surprise. Still wondering if "Nura" is really a Durlan plant, and it is his desperate search for the captive Dream Girl is what is preventing Thom from returning from the 21st Century...

Interesting posit, and, in light of her sudden blondeness, amusing. (Although the Durlan infiltrators seem to be more likely to be recognized by distorted eyes and facial features, and not incorrect hair-color...)

It is a bit odd that Dawnstar and Gates are still just sort of chilling on Naltor, for no apparent reason, other than to be there and look unimpressed when Harmonia Li rejects the ring.

Didn't they have stuff they were supposed to be doing? Something else else involving the Titanian refugees? Wasn't Gates complaining about all the teleporting he was going to have to do? Didn't Cosmic Boy send out an 'all hands on deck' signal, and shouldn't Gates have gotten to the Painted Desert camp before even Earth-Man with his terribly convenient super-speed?

Guess not. Gates had to be there to squint a buggy squint at the High Seers unseemly May-December schoolboy crush on Harmonia Li, after all... That cradle-robbing cougar, he's only like, ninety! She could be his grandmother! Shameless! /fans self

Same with Mon-El and Polar Boy. Polar Boy visited Tharr with Sun Boy many issues of Adventure ago, and never came back. Mon-El was sent to dump off an ice asteroid 'somewhere between here and Tharr' three issues ago, and despite being able to fly at near light speed, hasn't been seen since (and the mission monitor board suggests that he's actually *on* Tharr, for exactly what reason, is unclear. Is he celebrating his new bachelorhood by getting into a cool moresome with Brek and some Tharran hotties? And by 'hotties,' I mean frosties).

Mon-El, Dawnstar, Gates, Wildfire, perhaps Tyroc (if he can still teleport), should *all* appear in a flash of light and a crack of thunder when Cosmic Boy calls for 'everyone' to show up. Instead, we saw the same people we've seen several issues in a row, plus Shrinking Violet.

So many players, Paul is kinda scattering them around, and, it seems, keeping them off-screen without any real rationale, other than the 'meta' rationale of needing to keep them off-screen so that he can focus on the others.

Even then, the absence of XS (who also should have been at the Painted Desert camp before the echo of Cosmic Boy's call to arms made it across the room), Star Boy, Bouncing Boy, Duplicate Damsel, etc. is kind of jarring.

It would be unrealistic (and cruel to the new artist) to expect to see everybody in the first issue or two, but cutting out some of the increasingly annoying pop-ups detailing everyone's names, homeworlds and powers, to put in room for name-drops like 'Mon-El took some time off to go drown his sorrows with the finest Rimborian hookers and blow' or 'Tyroc is on Marzal, celebrating the birth of his and Saucy's second child' would be nice.

Nobody has thought that Earth Man can be actually Mon-El disguised and only Shaddy to know the truth?

Certainly fits with him displaying super-strength (and possibly also super-speed) in this issue.

Why he'd give a speech about tolerance to Sun Boy, with no one else there to hear it, remains unclear.

Hey yeah! Or maybe it's Shady who's a Durlan spy and that's why she acting so out of character!

Oh wait .... did she actually use her shadow-casting powers in the last few issues? Let me go back and look ...

Yeah, Shady uses her powers in this issue on the double-splash page.

If you ask me, the most likely explanation behind Shady/EM (and SG/CB over in Adventure) is bad writing. Dragging Legionnaires down into the sewer is a quick and easy shortcut to characterization. Much more of this and the Levitz3 Legion can be classified as soft porn.

Wasn't Gigi Cusimano referred to as "Chief" in #1? With that being the case, why was Zendak also referred to as Chief in #5? I understand people might still call him that even if he had retired, but the scene seemed to indicate he was still in charge.

Seems pretty unlikely they would have such an agreement, unless both Shady and Mon-El were comfortable for several years with Tinya popping in unannounced.

Which has all sorts of scandalous implications, in itself. Tinya is the one Legionnaire who could visit Mon in the Zone, after all.

I wonder if Tinya, Shady, Mon and Jo are swingers?

Ha ha...swingers or all have sex together...Interesting option.

Or maybe Mon-el just liked his quarters better.

I've been enjoying the series so far, despite its apparent clumsiness. Honestly though, I expected that from a writer that's been out of the game for 20 years. As far as I can see, each issue has just gotten better. We're already seeing some of what made him great back in the day, with two- to three-page scenes moving back and forth between subplots. I think he's doing a pretty good job of getting a good portion of the team on the page and as he gets more comfortable, we'll see more of them at the right times. I'm basically viewing this as Season One of Star Trek: The Next Generation. It'll take a little time for Paul to get totally back up to speed as a writer, but once he does...

As for the Earth Man plot, I'm trusting Paul to take it someplace interesting and credible. Keep in mind that this is the same writer who had an impostor in the Legion for over a year's worth of stories. There's plenty that he's not telling us...yet.

I do agree that the art has been inconsistent. I'm finding it hard to warm to Cinar's work. Given some of the spectacular artists who have graced the Legion's pages, I'd really like to see Yildiray's game kicked up a notch. Portela's stuff in this issue was nice, but also inconsistent. Some faces were wildly expressive and some, not so much (Dawny and Gates look like they're asleep in their last panel). It'll be nice to see Jimenez take on the team next issue.

I actually thought this issue was a little disappointing, because it was mostly a series of fight scenes and plot. And I much prefer character development to plot, at least where the Legion is concerned. Oh well, I'm still looking forward eagerly to the next one.

I'll think about it more after I've caught up on sleep. And I'll add that I'm irritated at fans who keep doggedly complaining that "Shady left Mon-El for this loser?!" Uh, it's already been established that they were split up beforehand. Yeesh. Enough already!

The worst aspect of the pairing (if that's what it is) would be how little build-up we got. It just seems rushed and forced. I like my space-soap, too-- but, maybe not quite so heavy-handed.

We don't see that Shady broke up with Lar before EM was forced to join the Legion.
She was with Lar during Lo3Ws.
It is not crazy to think that their break-up involved Shady's interest in Kirt.
We just don't know exactly what her interest IS in him.

It's also true that she might have just decided one day to just dump him, but there was no indication that their relationship was in trouble in the Baxter series and nothing up to the point that Levitz took over.

If she just lost interest, which is totally out of character, and 'dumped' Lar with no explaination or empathy for a man that she has loved totally for the last, 6 to 8 years, comic time, the story telling is MORE than heavy handed.
The only reason I can think that she'd treat Lar so coldly, is that she WANTS his to be offended and get as far away as possible - Tharr and/or Daxam.

You may be right, but if you are, this isn't my Shadow Lass, not the one I remember OR the one I want to know.

And Durlan's were never shown to worship Brande before, that I remember.
They HAVE been shown to have Brande as a leader or of the leader cast, since Cham was considered a leader.
Was that in the original boot?
And if so, is that what Paul is building on?

His status certainly wasn't mentioned by Brande in his will.

Ok, I will reply to you here since I think I was the first fan to say almost exactly that when this issue first came out.
Speaking for myself only here ... when I said " she left the company of a noble man like Monel for that???" it seems like I was stating that I felt Shady hooked up with E-Man while she was still 'with' Monel. That's not at all what I meant. I meant that, ok fine, she left Monel for whatever reasons ... (a span of time goes by) ... THEN she gets together with ... that???
Meaning she leaves Monel ... then LATER gets with the loser, or yet another way of looking at it, she leaves Monel and then some time shortly after that decides she likes bigotted, narrow-minded people more than her boyfriend of years and years. Shortly thereafter she decides she waited long enough now (what, two weeks, one month maybe?), realizes she craves the company of another person so she sets her sights on E-Man.
Ok? Makes sense?
Hope that clears up where I'm coming from with my comment on page three of this thread.

P.S. There is no way this is Shady, but if it is then she has an hidden ulterior motive.

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Yes, thanks. But I wasn't just talking about your comments, fk. I've heard it from other people on other fan spaces, too.

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P.S. There is no way this is Shady, but if it is then she has an hidden ulterior motive.

Possibly, but even if it is Shady acting on her own free will, I don't want a perfectly good character dead or maimed or whatever because of bad writing. I've known friends IRL who did actually get mixed up with bad partners, and even they didn't always know why. They may have exasperated the hell out of me in the process, but I didn't just dismiss them from my own life unless they made it impossible to do anything else.

After her tirade against the Oans, beginning to lean towards her being a Manhunter...

So I finally actually got a chance to buy and read it - not super impressed. I think this is the weakest issue since the new series started.

The main criticism for myself is being told how the regugee camp fight scene went down (in Jeckie's case, in great detail) rather than having it shown.

There are some other things I am not super happy about (Shady and Earth-Man, the Legion's general poor showing against a bunch of guys with guns, Gates and Dawny hanging round on Naltor for no discernable reason), but I am willing to give Paul the benefit of the doubt on this stuff. The only thing I really think is poor storytelling is the aforementioned fight scene.

Having said that, I wonder if some of the pacing issues in this series so far are just teething problems as Paul and Yildiray get their working relationship figured out? I can't help but wonder if maybe that fight scene at the refugee camp wasn't actually plotted panel for panel, and the script was forced to explain holes in the art? Dunno.

There were definitely some positives as well - I really liked seeing Circadia Senius again and I actually don't mind the development with Zendak on its own as long as it leads to a good story (though the Legion's supporting cast has been fairly well decimated in the past couple of years!)

It will be interesting to see how next issue pans out with Jiminez at the art helm.