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I'm torn. I really want to see a whole new slate of DC books - so Rebirth is good for that BUT I'm not sold on these particular books.

PLUS, I really enjoyed Omega Men, Midnighter and Grayson - and they're all gone (so that sucks)

Ouch. Doc Manhattan creating DC?

DC at war with Alan Moore creations?

Ahhhhh, the meta of it...

So Doc Manhattan is now the in-universe reason why we've been so miserable the last five years. The mess made with the Titans, the Legion, Earth-2, the Outlaws, Superman using the term "friendzone" in utter sincerity, "Truth," losing Oracle, Martian Manhunter no longer being a founding JLA member, WW is Zeus' daughter, it's all his fault.

So I now have to stop holding it against Barry Allen for the destruction of the DCU and the creation of this... thing our characters have become.

I'm still not watching Flash though.

Stay tuned for the FINAL REVEAL, where we learn that Dr. Manhattan's true identity is actually...










Dan Didio!

THEY'RE BOTH BALD

EVERYTHING FITS

Nah. I doubt that Didio has male genitalia....

(not to imply that he has female stuff either)

It'll be changed to being Hawk's fault in a last minute panic :-)

Their need to constantly pin their creative messes on something fictional says a lot about them.

I read the first issue, and...it's actually quite a promising start. I'll keep reading it unless/until it goes downhill.

Guys, I have an idea on how we can make DC stop sucking.

Why don't we just PUSH the DC Comics offices... into the ocean.

Why pollute the ocean too?

We are now on the countdown to Rebirth...

Does Thursday become Afterbirth?

^^Andy, LOL

Makes sense, since their editorial policy over the past few years seems to have been "throw out the baby and keep the afterbirth" whenever possible.

Squee! Hermit just quoted Julian Cope!

So did anyone try the Rebirth issues which came out this week?

Nah, bar the sneak peeks a while back I've not seen anything DC for years now.

EDIT: No, I fib. I bought the JLD & Legion Convergence books.

I picked up the Green Lanterns one.
I was relatively pleased with the DC Rebirth book - it had very little plot and was basically an 80 page teaser with lovely art for $2.99 - the cheapest DC book I've seen in ages (for the pages).

The Green Lanterns book was odd. I wasn't familiar with the two GLs at the center of the book because I haven't picked up comic books regularly from Marvel or DC in ages. I didn't get the characterizations - one seemed insecure and unsure, the other was an ass. On first glance, I did enjoy the diversity of the cast, but there wasn't a lot of context.

I did like the big adventure that was revealed - it was definitely a surprising take on the GL mythology.

Was it an amazing book? No
It was enjoyable.

I nearly picked up the Batman book for Duke Thomas (who I thought kicked butt in We Are Robin). But I didn't want to fall back into the trap of picking up a book for a character when I don't trust the creators. (I only do that for Legion and Titans)

I thought the Rebirth special was decent as a typical Johns set up issue. Lots of ideas, lots of hints, lots of teases. As usual, the trepidation is with the follow through. Also unhappy with the Watchmen reveal.

Even setting aside the thumb in the eye to Alan Moore, the DC vs. Watchmen as "hope vs. nihilism" that's being set up in the book, and further espoused by Johns in interviews, belies a very superficial reading of Watchmen.

Yes, the book is dark and there is a valid reading of it being nihilistic, but Jon himself does not embody those characteristics, especially by the end of the book, when he's opened himself up to the "thermodynamic miracles" that make up human lives. To have him be the villain that's representative of "Corruption", "Doubt", "Cruelty", etc. that Pandora uses to describe him is a not just a disservice to the book, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what it's about.

I'm not a Watchmen fan. I tried reading the graphic novel and I could only get halfway through. That book just dragged, in my opinion, and was more of a chore to read than I cared for.

As best to my understanding, Watchmen did have that effect on the comics industry, didn't it? Even though that's considered a superficial interpretation on Watchmen, it's still what happened. People looked at it as "How comics should be done" at face value and it set the tone for mainstream comics for decades.

I mean, let's be honest. We all know Doctor Manhattan had nothing to do with wrecking the DCU. It was Geoff Johns. Whenever something stupid happens in comics, it's always because of the writers and editors. Johns is espousing about "hope vs nihilism" but we all know he doesn't believe what he's saying any more than every other writer and editor believes the crap that comes out of their mouths on a regular basis. He's covering his ass because he screwed up more than anyone (besides Dan Didio) in creating the DCnU. He literally wrote the book that made it happen. He just wants people to stop blaming him, so he picks a convenient scapegoat.

He did the same thing with Hal Jordan, Superboy Prime and Alexander Luthor Jr.. In his comics no one ever really learns from their mistakes because they're given a half-assed excuse for why it's not their fault.

So, to me at least, if Johns is gonna pin the blame on somebody to save his own ass, I'm not complaining if he's picking Watchmen. It doesn't make him any less culpable for making this mess in the first place, but I'm willing to wait if he's going to make an attempt at fixing what he broke.

Well said, Sarky. I agree 100% with you regarding Johns. DiDio may have egged him on, but in the end it was always Johns who pulled the trigger.

Really, as much as I think Johns and EVERY writer and editor who works for not just DC but Marvel, is capable of crapping out of their mouths, I do feel a sense of optimism for where this story is going. I haven't really felt that way since Convergence. Hell, I was on the verge of crying during the sequence when Barry saves Wally, and I HATE Barry Allen.

And despite what Pandora says and what happens to her, I get the feeling Manhattan doesn't really understand that what he did was wrong.