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So I guess no one else is that excited Geoff is bringing the original Legion back?! And it doesn't seem they will be disappearing anywhere in a Final Crisis?
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Imo, Geoff saying that he's bringing the "original Legion" back is like WaK claiming they weren't rebooting the Legion.
It should be taken with a grain of salt.
And, if anything, it's disappointing because it means they're trying to pass off schizo Starboy, etc., as the "original" versions of the characters, and we won't be seeing a more traditional "Earth-1" Legion down the road.
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The schizo thing I think goes to explain why he was always so...average? I'm not a big fan of it but when he goes back to the future he will be fine.
EDE, you have some Star Boy and Dream Girl issues I think maybe a good session with the local LWMB psychologist may be in order. It's ok they helped me snake Jeckie.
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Oh well, maybe this Final Crisis will retcon all of the Johns/Meltzer retcons to the Legion away...
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I am excited about a creator fulfilling his motivation to bring back the original legion. I'm a little anxious, though, about how it's all going to work out amongst the "three" different versions that will then be competing for attention.
From: Portland, Oregon | Registered: Jul 2003
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Wow, Matthew let him have it. I would think we should wait and see.
In the stories Superman himself has problems remembering. Superman still remembers Star Boy being kicked off the team...yet he has said a few times he doesn't remember everything clearly.
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I'm actually pretty excited. I have to say, I see the point you and Matthew are making Eryk, but I'm not sure I agree. This is pretty much the pre-Crisis Legion with a diverged timeline from a certain point forward, probably from Crisis #11. In a sense, everything afterwards that we saw by Levitz, Giffen, T&M, etc, was one 'possible road to the adult future Legion', and now we're being presented with the first steps towards another.
Is it *the* original Legion? Not sure how you can quantify that, but it certainly is the 'original pre-boot/pre-crisis Legion' at a certain point in time led down another point.
I can't see how any difference in the Lightning Saga Legion are large enough to imply that there is character assassination/huge changes that are any different than say, Gerry Conway's version compared to Cary Bate's version. The only major ones (1) Why is Karate Kid still alive and what does that mean for him and Jeckie? and (2) Thom's schizophrenia are major story points for those two characters that appear to be in the process of being told.
So more so than a 'boot', this is pretty much the return of the first Legion cut-off from a certain point. Its essentially the writers doing what many asked by starting back up at Magic Wars, only doing it a few years earlier at Crisis, which makes more sense story-wise in a way.
I guess you’d have to consider everything from 1985 – 1995 to be a much larger equivalent to the story in Adventure where Superman visits their future. Another possible future.
Is it perfect. Certainly not. But it’s the best option I’ve seen since Zero Hour. I'm certainly pretty excited about it!
In a way its kind of the curse of modern age comics. Sure, I'm dying for Thor comics and have been so for years. But JMS on Thor?! Crap, now I'm screwed since I know he'll probably screw Thor up. Its the price we all need to be willing to pay--we need to be ready to let Meltzer play with the Legion, Jeph Loeb do Aquaman or Rob Liefield take care of Doom Patrol ( ). Some of us are willing I guess, some of us not so much (understandbly). Sometimes we get John's GL (excellent IMO), sometimes we get a dozen or so examples of recent Marvel or DC series in the last five years...
From: If you don't want my peaches, honey... | Registered: Sep 2003
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Cobie, with characters like Una and Sensor Girl around I don't think it's splitting off as early as you think or at all.
But we have a new Superman currently from New Earth. I have a feeling this Legion will be very similiar to the original but streamlined here or there.
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If one wants to nit-pick, nothing after Adv #247 was "original" legion - costumes, names and powers changed. Supergirl is told that the Legion she meets was the cildren of the originals. The Legion winds up in a futuristic 21st century for a while in the early 60s. In the 70s, Ayla is younger than Garth. yadda, yadda, yadda.
To me, the origunal LSH (1958-1994) always had some continuity adjustments; so far, the ones we've seen don't seem that far out of line (even if some are head-scratchers).
It's also odd that someone distancing the L-Saga LSH from the "original" LSH was rationalizing Threeboot as a legit alternate version of the "original" Legion two years ago.
BTW, Jorge, I am also excited; I've expressed my excitement before the info you brought to the table; I'm just continuing the same cautious optimism I've had since the current JSA series began.
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Exactly Kent. The "original" Legion has more contradictions than you can shake a stick at.
I think if Thom is schizo but we never knew b/c he took super-future meds won't crack the mythos in half.
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Oh, I think it's pretty closely analogous to Superman. With the current Superman, you have a new continuity which incorporates elements of both pre-Crisis and Byrne-era continuity, but isn't really either of them. It certainly isn't the case that they literally brought back the Silver/Bronze age Superman continuity. Current Superman, for example, never worked on television.
Similarly, it seems to me pretty clear that they've created something that resembles the Silver/Bronze Age Legion continuity, but isn't literally it. At this point, it's really hard to figure out what's supposed to be clues as to continuity differences versus just bad editing/writing, but it seems to me they've dropped quite a few hints of things being different well before Crisis.
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I never had problem with the continuity in the old continuity. Everything at some point got explained. I could perfectly live with the Pocket Universe explanation, for example, and never quite understood why Superboy had to be made into Valor some years later though there was no need for that continuity-wise...
I am very happy, very very glad that the old characters are returning, even in a somewhat classi-sized (I'm pretty sure this word does not exist) version. I don't care why Karate Kid suddenly is alive again (we know the true reason for it: He is the embodiment of the 80s but well, that's not a plot) - there will be a story that explains it. But after the group shot in JSA, the wonderful double-page in Justice #12, I'm quite sure that not only are the old guys returning, I am quite sure that many more people that just the Legion fandom will love them and buy the books they are featured in.
Long live the Legion, finally not just a catchphrase any more...
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Now, I'm not reading any of this... stuff... so obviously I don't know (or, honestly, wish to know, really...) all the details...
But it's an alternate post-Crisis Legion. That makes it a Legion whose history was also "screwed up" by it's recreation from Infinite Crisis just as much as the post-Crisis Legion was "screwed up" by CoIE, if in a different way. Exactly how "original" that makes it is up to you.
One last little point in the same vein... if you're saying it's the same LoSH, no history changes as such, just untold stories never heard of... how could a 70s/80s Supergirl have been involved, if a Kara Zor-El only turned up in recent times and all the others are now retconned away? Since they needed to pluck a Kal-El from Earth-IC...
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