The obvious one is Lightning Lord for Garth and Ayla...racking my brains, I can think of the following as well:
Shrinking Violet - Micro Lad Sun Boy - Dr Regulus Brainy - Computo White Witch - Mordru Shady - Lady Memory
If Nemesis Kid ever comes back, he would obviously be Jeckie's....are there any other villains who are primarily motivated or have a particular grudge against one specific Legionnaire?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Glorith has it out for Ultra Boy.
Posted by MLLASH on :
I don't know if Esper Lass or Saturn Queen vs. Saturn Girl might count.
Posted by SharkLad on :
Element Lad - Roxxas
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Sun Boy had both Dr. Regulus and Kranyak!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: I don't know if Esper Lass or Saturn Queen vs. Saturn Girl might count.
Neither of them really seems to have a personal grudge against Imra.
Universo and Imra in the reboot. Not so much in the preboot.
Maybe Starfinger I and Lightning Lad. Starfinger II and Colossal Boy. Kenz Nuhor's brother (I forget his name) and Star Boy.
Posted by razsolo on :
Sun Boy is plain greedy.
And duh, can't believe I forgot Roxxas...it's only the guy's whole reason for being on the team, eh.. ;p
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Kenz Nuhor's brother (I forget his name) and Star Boy.
Yark Althu
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
Magnetic Kid had Ayla Monstress had all the Legion readers Gates had Adam Smith
Posted by cleome on :
Chameleon Boy - Chameleon Chief (?)
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I'm sure Pulsar Stargrave won't be too happy with Tenzil if he ever shows up again.
Posted by Blacula on :
quote:Originally posted by Kid Quislet: Magnetic Kid had Ayla Monstress had all the Legion readers Gates had Adam Smith
But who was Adam Smith?
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Merriam Webster defines "nemesis" as "a : one that inflicts retribution or vengeance b : a formidable and usually victorious rival or opponent." Some of the above do not seem to apply to this definition.
Chameleon Chief, for example, apparently had no personal reason to inflict vengeance on Chameleon Boy, nor was Chief all that formidable in his few appearances.
Ditto for Esper Lass and Saturn Queen, who were merely power counterparts of Saturn Girl.
Mordru abused Mysa when she was his wife; while this makes him a cad, he was (apparently) not motivated by vengeance.
Micro Lad participated in the capture and senstank deprivation of Violet for political, not personal, reasons.
Starfinger I did not seem to hold a grudge against Garth; he merely used Garth because he had the opportunity to brainwash him and re-program his robotic arm.
I suppose Ayla could qualify as a "formidable opponent" for Pol, but her victory was negligible.
Not all Legion readers disliked Monstress; some (me included) were quite fond of her.
So, of those mentioned so far, the ones who in my opinion qualify as nemeses are Dr. Regulus, Roxxas, Mekt, and Yark Althu. (I'm either unfamiliar with or don't remember the rest well enough to speculate.)
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
quote:Originally posted by Kid Quislet: Magnetic Kid had Ayla Monstress had all the Legion readers Gates had Adam Smith
Karate Kid had/has Keith Giffen
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: But who was Adam Smith?
An 18th century philosopher said to be one of the first proponents of free markets and the "self-interest" approach to capitalism.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Smith's The Wealth of Nations is really the foundational text of modern economics, and the classical statement of "free market" economics. Ironically, though his name is associated with "capitalism" [a term of much more recent vintage], he was opposed to much of what we think of as "capitalism" today, however. For example, he was opposed to corporations and had major concerns regarding the tension between the economic efficiency of specialization and its negative consequences on civic virtue. And while one of major ideas is that, as a general rule, people acting in their own self-interest in the economic sphere will produce results that are generally beneficial to everyone, one should not think of him as a naive Ayn Rand-style egoist, as is made clear in his other major work, The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
Posted by razsolo on :
quote:Originally posted by He Who Wanders: Merriam Webster defines "nemesis" as "a : one that inflicts retribution or vengeance b : a formidable and usually victorious rival or opponent." Some of the above do not seem to apply to this definition.
Mordru abused Mysa when she was his wife; while this makes him a cad, he was (apparently) not motivated by vengeance.
Micro Lad participated in the capture and senstank deprivation of Violet for political, not personal, reasons.
I agree with you on the others....and in the case of Micro Lad vs Vi, it might be fairer to say she's HIS nemesis...she does definitely harbor a grudge against him over the sensory deprivation incident and has shown that she enjoys beating the crap outta him for it, whereas he doesn't seem to specifically hate her any moreso than the rest of the Legion..
I would definitely say Mordru and Mysa are each other's nemesis though...Mordru fits the second definition of that word to a tee, and I would argue that there have been more than a couple of stories where either Mordru or Mysa have been motivated primarily by vengeance on the other...
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Superboy: Luthor
Supergirl: Satan Girl
Bouncing Boy: Hunter Jr.
Brainiac 5: Stargrave
Rond Vidar: Infinite Man, Universo
Mon-El: Timetrapper
Posted by cleome on :
[snip]
quote:Originally posted by He Who Wanders: Merriam Webster defines "nemesis" as "a : one that inflicts retribution or vengeance b : a formidable and usually victorious rival or opponent." Some of the above do not seem to apply to this definition.
Chameleon Chief, for example, apparently had no personal reason to inflict vengeance on Chameleon Boy, nor was Chief all that formidable in his few appearances.
Ditto for Esper Lass and Saturn Queen, who were merely power counterparts of Saturn Girl...
I would definitely agree that some were better developed than others, but the whole "player on the other side" thing was already a huge part of the Legion before I started reading it. I always think of it as one of those things that can be done well, but too often, it isn't.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
Karate Kid:Nemesis Kid Timber Wolf:TYR Sunboy:Dr.Regulus Blok:League of Super Assassins Brainiac 5:Computo,Omega Colossal Boy:Talok the mute
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Colossal Boy: Starfinger 2
Sensor Girl/Projectra: Nemesis and or Emerald Empress
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I think Nemesis Kid is really Karate Kid's nemesis. Jeckie might have killed him, but he wasn't really her nemesis.
The Emerald Empress, on the other hand, fits the bill better at the close of the Baxter series.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
Rather than list who's fought who and pushed each other's buttons, it might be more to the point to think about which *villain* would list a single Legionnaire as their 'nemesis', rather than the team as a whole.
That'd exclude some of those named, I think.
Posted by Officer Taylor on :
Honestly, I'd say Brainiac 5's greatest personal nemesis is...Brainiac 5! Fair or unfair?
Posted by Para-Dox on :
quote:Originally posted by Officer Taylor: Honestly, I'd say Brainiac 5's greatest personal nemesis is...Brainiac 5! Fair or unfair?
Computo was of his own making and his battles with Pulsar Stargrave and Brainiac always have a hint of self loathing. Then there are the hormones!
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