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While I do think Fox was a stronger player than Lardy, due to what we saw posted on this thread and from being his teammate, I was never on Lardy's team and do not know what he did behind the scenes to help his tribe win challenges, can any of his teammates or Lardy himself make a case for him and his play, because I sure would like a reason to vote for him, from my view the only reason Lardy stayed in the game was because of his alliances and not his play, sorry Lardy.
As for Fox, lets give him credit, he was a Player, he played Davy, he played Lance, he played me, and say what you will but he did play the game, whats the old saying don't hate the player hate the game, can anyone out there give me a reason not to vote for Fox, because I'm willing to listen.
In hindsight I see that the strongest players do not always survive in Suvivor, but the strongest alliance will get you pretty far in the game, you guys were the strongest team I'll give you that, because of your pact so early in the game, I don't think we started to think that way until Quislet was voted off after the tribe switch, and we were down to two original N'Hura members, and it was far to late for us, because by then original St'Balla had the numbers and the votes, we just didn't know it yet.
It's just to bad that Davy did not make it to the final two, my decision would have been an easy one, as he would have gotten my vote, after Ex put the leader label on him, and when he thought I picked him up in the tribe switch, and then told me to pick up Lard Lad, I was aware of the alliance between the two of them, as Davy was the strongest player and wore the leader tag, It made him my number 1 target, but he survived my attempt, due to the votes I got from my so-called teammates LOL!, while I did suspect Novelty was in fact Nemisis Kid, I did not have a clue about Fox as he convinced me that he was 100% on my side, looking back the thought crossed my mind to reach out to Gamara as he seemed to be the outsider of his tribe, I wonder if that would have worked, in the end it took Davy to get Davy out of the game it seems.
And to Exnihil, I just want to say thank you for the game, N'Hura was cursed it seemed from the beginning, KenAustin had to leave for personal reasons, and I to had a family crisis, though I chose to stay in the game because it was the only thing that kept my mind off of my family tragedy, I threw myself into the game and the challenges, for a time it was the only thing I had to look forward to, as the other thing I had to think about was kind of hard to come to terms with, and perhaps I threw a little to much of myself into the game, and I hope I did not make any enemies along the way.
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Well, guys, it's looks as though Novelty might have gotten caught in one of those infamous Marzalian time anomalies on his way to Tribal Council.
Hopefully, he'll be back in time for the vote, but for now... Lard Lad... Floating Foxlike Creature... it's time for your final statements. You should address the questions and concerns of the jury, and say whatever final words you'd like to impart prior to the vote.
The floor is yours...
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First, I'll address your questions and comments:
quote:Originally posted by Lance's realm: I have a question: do either of the finalists already own a copy of Adventure #247?
I don't, and I don't think Foxy does either.
quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.: OK, my vote is up for grabs. The player who can most creatively ask for my vote (in a way that tickles my fancy) gets it. Will it be in song? or a limerick (dare I hope)? Maybe a nice drawing?
I do expect something from both of you.
(Okay, since I'm going first--Foxy, please don't click on the link below, so you can come up with your OWN bribe!)
So none of the above exactly, Quis! I offer this. Tickled?
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Next, to address those two who went after Foxy particularly hard:
quote:Originally posted by Lance's realm: Fox, I appreciate your disclosure. I was actually going to vote for you - until your statement. I feel you mislead me and Lone Wolf. Now, I will likely cast my vote for Lardy, simply because he never mislead me, unless you can convince me otherwise.
I am agreeing with Davy here - if there was a way to vote for neither of you, I would take it.
quote:Originally posted by Gamara: I agree, it appears that Foxy was a tiny bit more, well, foxy in his play. He was willing to do what it took to get to the final 2. While that is sometimes a necessity in a situation like this, and may even be viewed as being a clever, strong player who will do what it takes to come out on top, I still prefer to vote in favor of someone who managed to get here without playing dirty at all. Sorry Foxy, but it looks like Lardy will get my vote as well.
Look, I don't want to take your votes away from me, but Foxy was just playing the game really, really hard. Don't think for a second that my game was somehow cleaner! I may not have played the two of you particularly hard, but I played many of the other Survivors pretty hard and pretty brutally.
Just ask Sketch Lad, Quislet and Novelty!
I told Sketch Lad that we were going after Gamara in the first tribal and blindsided him instead--I was at the forefront of that blindside!
Quis? I basically guilted him into turning on his teammate Dedman and told him he'd be safe in the next tribal because we'd be voting out...Gamara!
Novelty? I told him that if he joined us in voting off...Gamara...at the Final Five that I would join "his alliance" (making him think he was in with Foxy) to vote off whomever they would target in the Final Four. Who was voted off in the Final Four? Novelty!
Yes, Foxy made some "foxlike" moves, but I was far from a silent partner and made a lot of "foxy" underhanded moves myself to stay alive. And Gamara, don't think that all my communications were 100% straightforward--there was a lot of self-serving going on, even then.
Remember, guys, I was separated from Foxy for two votes. I had to scratch and claw to stay in it....including regrettably, having to strengthen my bond with Davey for my continued survival.
So don't assume Foxy was the only Big Bad here. I did things just as bad. I think Davey's post should make that clear.
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quote:Originally posted by dedman: my question is this....
who else in the game game do you feel deserved a spot in the top two, and why?
There were a lot of worthy contenders. To me the very best players besides us were Lone Wolf, Davey, Lance and Novelty.
Of these, I think the most well-rounded strategically and competitively was Novelty. Nov really scared the bejeezus out of Foxy and me! We were so afraid of him that Dave, Foxy and I teamed up to beat him in the Final Four immunity challenge and STILL came close to losing to him!
Personally, though, I would've had no problem if Davey was sitting here instead of me. He was very loyal and honest in this game and lied very little (if at all). To get that far playing such an honest game is very commendable.
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quote:Originally posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire: While I do think Fox was a stronger player than Lardy, due to what we saw posted on this thread and from being his teammate, I was never on Lardy's team and do not know what he did behind the scenes to help his tribe win challenges, can any of his teammates or Lardy himself make a case for him and his play, because I sure would like a reason to vote for him, from my view the only reason Lardy stayed in the game was because of his alliances and not his play, sorry Lardy.
As for Fox, lets give him credit, he was a Player, he played Davy, he played Lance, he played me, and say what you will but he did play the game, whats the old saying don't hate the player hate the game, can anyone out there give me a reason not to vote for Fox, because I'm willing to listen.
In hindsight I see that the strongest players do not always survive in Suvivor, but the strongest alliance will get you pretty far in the game, you guys were the strongest team I'll give you that, because of your pact so early in the game, I don't think we started to think that way until Quislet was voted off after the tribe switch, and we were down to two original N'Hura members, and it was far to late for us, because by then original St'Balla had the numbers and the votes, we just didn't know it yet.
It's just to bad that Davy did not make it to the final two, my decision would have been an easy one, as he would have gotten my vote, after Ex put the leader label on him, and when he thought I picked him up in the tribe switch, and then told me to pick up Lard Lad, I was aware of the alliance between the two of them, as Davy was the strongest player and wore the leader tag, It made him my number 1 target, but he survived my attempt, due to the votes I got from my so-called teammates LOL!, while I did suspect Novelty was in fact Nemisis Kid, I did not have a clue about Fox as he convinced me that he was 100% on my side, looking back the thought crossed my mind to reach out to Gamara as he seemed to be the outsider of his tribe, I wonder if that would have worked, in the end it took Davy to get Davy out of the game it seems.
A very well thought-out analysis, Wolf. I hope you've seen some examples of my gameplay in my responses so far. If challenges set the bar for you, then Foxy is definitely your man. After the first reward and immunity challenges for St'Balla, I definitely sucked ass! Even my immunity win in the Final Four was given to me by Foxy (who worked out the solution first), so he wouldn't look like too much of a threat.
My value was always more on the strategic side. Foxy and I mapped out every move we made primarily thru a series of AIM exchanges. What I think separates me from him somewhat strategically from him is what I did when I joined N'Hura. Everything that happened in those two tribals was engineered by me to control the numbers in our favor once we merged. I assumed Quis and Deds were closely aligned with yourself and Lance and worked to undermine their powerbase.
I also looked out for Foxy while I was with N'Hura by throwing the song challenge, so he would be safe! I fed Foxy the answer to the first song (when we went head-to-head) and dragged my heels on the other two songs to make sure St'Balla won. It was mine and Foxy's feeling that Foxy would have been a goner had St'Balla lost, so that was the strategy.
Yes, I communicated with Foxy throughout that time, but ultimately it was my call to do those things as he could not help me directly in that situation.
Once the merge happened, Wolf, I was the one who communicated with Gamara to make sure we had the numbers to vote you out and to overcome your reward advantage there.
So there's my game. I'm afraid this may cost me some votes already supposedly committed to me, but there you have it.
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quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.: OK, my vote is up for grabs. The player who can most creatively ask for my vote (in a way that tickles my fancy) gets it. Will it be in song? or a limerick (dare I hope)? Maybe a nice drawing?
I do expect something from both of you.
Part I: I'll do everything in my power to overthrow the cult of Cobalt Kid adoration now that you're rightfully Legion World's #1 poster. I'll give you a plush ermine robe, a jeweled crown and scepter, and a plaque that reads "Legion World's Beloved #1 Poster," and follow you around the MMB, demanding praise for "His Excellency, Lord Quislet the Best." I'll smash all existing statues of Cobie, and erect numerous impressive edifices in your honor.
Part II: I asked a friend of mine to send you a lovely photo. Did you receive it? (Check your PMs for clarification.)
Part III: On the real life front: the next time we're at a LW meet-up at a comic con, if you're standing in line to wait for a creator signing, or special item, either for yourself or as a favor for someone else -- I'll stand in line as your proxy, no matter how long it takes. That will leave you free you to enjoy the scenery. (Or, if you'd prefer to remain in line, I'll stand behind you and give you a soothing backrub.)
Last but not least, there's this:
There once was a Quis so delightful Who found tomatoes quite frightful His post count was prodigious He was properly litigious I hope that his vote won't be spiteful
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quote:Originally posted by Language Arts Lad: Davey Fairplay was a joke, a bit of irony. I know this game is about screwing people, and that's one of the big reasons I DIDN'T sign up until after Ex PM'ed me and asked me to play.
My wife has consistently told me over the years that I'm too much of a Boy Scout. Too worried about doing the right thing. About treating people fairly. She's right I guess, because you guys sure played me.
Y'know, Lardy, the way I remember it, I approached you. And, you're wrong, Foxy. We did PM each other once while you were in the other tribe. I PM'ed you to find out if you were still interested in keeping alive the partnership if we all got back together. See, I'm a sap.
At this point, I don't give a crap which of you win, and if there were a way to not vote, I would. But there isn't, and I'm STILL a Boy Scout, so I'll stand by the one guy I thought I could trust, despite all the times he evidently lied to me. I do it, because I made a deal, even if he didn't.
Davey.....I hope you know that stringing you along wasn't easy for me. Like Foxy said, we were hoping at the beginning that there would be three people, not two, going in front of the jury, like it has been in more recent seasons on the TV show. When it didn't pan out that way, I had to stick with the first pact and the greatest friendship I'd built in the game.
For what it's worth, I remained steadfast that you'd go to the Final Three (when Foxy suggested otherwise), so that you'd have the chance to win immunity and go on to the Final Two. Yes, you could've been endangered at the Final Four if Nov had won immunity, but I always pushed for you to be Final Three when Foxy threw other possibilities out there. So I was loyal to you as much as possible.
I also respected you enough not to withhold the truth from you here at the end. I thought I owed it to you to show you how underhanded I was with you rather than play it like I always was going to take you to the limit. If I lose your vote, so be it, but I felt you deserved to know the truth at the end.
I sincerely hope the Boy Scout within you doesn't emerge too jaded from the experience. The world needs more of you!
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Finally, I hope all of you will take everything into consideration before casting your votes one way or another. Neither of us is without sin, nor is there really a lesser of two evils. We both played our asses off in this game and invested (definitely!) way too much of our valuable time to get to this point in the game. I respect each and every one of you but feel that the best two players are standing front and center where they ought to be. We played hard from the outset, and here we are.
I've been a fan of the show for a long, long time and have watched all but two of the seasons. This version was a dream come true for me, and I thank Ex and all of you for making it an enjoyable experience.
Whoever's name you PM to Ex...if it's the name of the person you believe played this game the best, I'll be satisfied, regardless of whose name that may be!
Thanks, guys!
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quote:Originally posted by Language Arts Lad: Y'know, Lardy, the way I remember it, I approached you. And, you're wrong, Foxy. We did PM each other once while you were in the other tribe. I PM'ed you to find out if you were still interested in keeping alive the partnership if we all got back together. See, I'm a sap.
Davey,
When I referred to our not exchanging PMs during the time we were separated, I meant that you and I did not have any strategy discussions during that period -- we basically played our own games on our new tribes. That was why I grew closer to my new team of Lone Wolf, Lance, and Novelty.
I still have that PM you're referring to -- you sent it on October 23, right when we swapped teams. In response to your question about whether I was still interested in keeping alive the partnership if we all got back together -- I responded in the affirmative, because I was interested, and I did keep the partnership alive. I had several prime opportunities to "kill the partnership" -- but I didn't. The only reason I acted differently at the final 3 was because of my earlier agreement with Lardy. Until we all got to the final 3, I'm pretty sure that neither you nor I ever made a single comment to the other about specifically how far in the game we'd go together -- we kept it general where the scope of the alliance was concerned.
You never made any such specific comment to me because you always believed that you were in a final 2 alliance with Lardy, and you were always planning to vote me off at the final 3 if you won that challenge. In fact, one very interesting PM that I became aware of was a PM that Lance sent you, where he said that I had "played them foul," and that you should "vote my sorry ass off" (or similar words to that effect). Despite the fact that, at that time, you and I were PMing heavily to discuss strategy, that was the one PM that you never shared with me -- but you shared with Lardy. Since you and I were so open about discussing every other aspect of gameplay, I can only assume that you didn't share that particular PM with me because you saw me as the 3rd wheel in the alliance, and the odd man out.
In fact, I never betrayed you. Fact is, there were several different points I could have aligned with other people, thus abandoning the alliance between you and me, and voted you off well before the final 3 -- but I didn't. Obviously, the decision not to vote you off instead of Lone Wolf caused me to antagonize others on the jury, as you've seen. Despite those clearly foreseeable risks, I chose to honor our alliance all the way until final 3 -- the exact same point that you also had plans to get rid of me.
So if you're angry about the one comment I made to you about final 2 on Saturday, then you certainly have a right to be angry -- but you have no basis to claim that I was disloyal to you at any earlier point in the game, that I viewed or treated you as a "sap," or that I wasn't interested in "keeping alive" our partnership. If that had truly been the case, you never would have made it as far as you did, because you were a strong and honest player, and would have won in a landslide if you'd made it here -- and therefore you were a huge threat. It was totally against my best interest to keep you in the game. The fact that you did make it to the final 3 means I was exactly as loyal to you as you were to me. And, since you never told me about your own deal to go to the final 2 with Lardy, you were just as honest with me as I was with you.
I'm truly sorry that Lardy's and my alliance hurt you. If you believe one thing in this game, believe this: Lardy and I didn't pick you because we wanted to use you as a pawn or because we perceived you to be a "sap" -- we simply wanted to increase our alliance, and it ended up being just the 3 of us because we thought Sketch Lad and Novelty were already aligned, and Gamara wasn't interested. As I said earlier, if Ex had set it up for a final 3 jury vote, you'd be sitting up here now with Lardy and me. It's only because we later found out it was a final 2 jury vote that you're not up here now.
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quote:Originally posted by Lance's realm: I have a question: do either of the finalists already own a copy of Adventure #247?
I don't.
quote:Originally posted by Lance's realm: [QB]Fox, I appreciate your disclosure. I was actually going to vote for you - until your statement. I feel you mislead me and Lone Wolf. Now, I will likely cast my vote for Lardy, simply because he never mislead me, unless you can convince me otherwise.
Lance:
Lardy never had the opportunity to mislead you. But since he and I were on the same page strategically, I can safely say what he would have done if he'd been in my position -- he would have done pretty much the same thing. I'm not saying that to throw Lardy under the bus -- I'm saying it to give him proper credit for his strategic gameplay. He and I were equal partners all the way, in every aspect of the game.
The main difference between Lardy and me was the fact that I was in a harder position after the merge because Lardy and Davey were perceived to be in a strong final 2 pair -- and for that reason, people didn't constantly approach them to see if they could be persuaded to vote a certain way. On the other hand, I was seen as a free agent, and had to balance the contradictory expectations of several different groups over the course of several tribal council votes. Lardy didn't mislead you due to the happenstance that he didn't have to in order to advance in the game.
Furthermore, all the decisions at that point in the game were being made jointly by Lardy, Davey, and myself. (Although, as I said in my opening statement, I didn't necessarily always agree with the initial target of the vote.) To the extent I said anything misleading to you, it was only in furtherance of the strategy that all 3 of us had decided on -- the person who is perceived as getting his hands dirty, and the others who agreed behind the scenes for that person to carry out the plans, share equal responsibility for the outcome. Neither Davey nor Lardy misled anyone to the extent I had to, because they never were put in the position to do so.
I can understand why you feel the way you do -- but please consider what my choices were in that position. If someone comes to you and asks you, "I want you to vote with me," and you come to realize that you can't agree to do so without violating an earlier agreement you'd made -- you don't have many viable options.
(1) You could agree, thus breaking your earlier alliance -- but that screws you with the first person, because from that person's perspective, you've misled him by saying you would be tight with him for the whole game, when you really weren't.
(2) You could say flat-out, "No, I won't do as you suggest" -- and then immediately become the target of the vote yourself -- for being a traitor, a potential traitor, or a dangerous swing vote. (Or you could just ignore the other person's PM and not answer at all -- but that would be viewed with suspicion, and probably as the same as an outright refusal.)
(3) You could do what I did -- give the proposal honest consideration, but then decide that it would be impossible to comply with and still honor your earlier-made agreements. You could then try, as much as possible, to not lie directly, and only give statements that are technically truthful, but misleading. Obviously, many people would view such statements as not much better than an outright lie -- but in the position I was in, there were not that many options.
Let's look at it another way... as you'll recall, after Lone Wolf was voted off, he sent you and me an e-mail on November 1 saying that the reason you guys didn't tell me about the true nature of the Duralim wand was because you had suspicions about Novelty, and you didn't want me to "panic." Obviously, you both wanted to trust me, but you didn't know for sure that you could -- so you gave me an incomplete and misleading piece of information to try to protect yourself just in case something went wrong. I thought Lone Wolf's explanation was perfectly understandable -- out there, everybody was wary of everybody else, and being guarded with everything we said because we just didn't know how much we could trust anyone else. I gave you misleading answers for the same reason you guys gave me misleading information about the Duralim wand -- to try to avoid "panic" and endangering myself. I wanted to trust you, but there was no reason for me to trust you any more than there was for you to trust me.
And, on that topic -- see my response to Davey about the PM you sent him suggesting that he "vote my sorry ass off." After I found out about that PM, I asked you whether you had any reason to believe that the others might be agitating to vote me off instead of you. You either avoided the question, or gave a noncommittal answer (I don't recall which) -- but even if you weren't sure what I was referring to, you certainly never came out and said at any point, "By the way, I sent a PM to Davey with some inflammatory language about you, but it was only to throw him off. I trust you completely, and that PM was never meant in any way to try to get you voted off instead." Obviously, I understand why you wouldn't want to tell me about that PM to Davey, but by the same token, can you understand why my answers to you had to be incomplete as well? It was solely to avoid "panic," and for the sake of self-preservation. (And, as I said in my opening statement, my answers to you continued in that vein even after you were voted out, because I was worried that something I said to you might be sent to others still in the game.)
Clearly, you never trusted me 100%, and I never trusted you 100% -- it was a 2-way street. It wasn't as though you put your complete trust in me and only gave me totally truthful, complete information -- and were rewarded for it with nothing but lies from me. My cautious, guarded approach to dealing with you wasn't any different from your cautious, guarded approach to dealing with me.
If I'm going to lose a vote because I played hard in the early challenges -- got picked first for our swapped team due to that strength -- kept that team intact by helping win 3 key challenges in a row -- and then had to protect myself after the merge by making misleading comments, so as not to paint a giant, obvious target on my back -- then there's nothing I can do about it. There were very few choices that someone in my position would have had -- and they mostly involve either being brutally honest and getting voted off for that honesty, or being at least somewhat misleading and continuing further in the game.
If Lardy had been put in this position, I believe he would have done the same thing -- as I'm sure many other people would also have done. However, because I was the one who happened to be put in that position by circumstance, and who actually had to negotiate that gauntlet -- and get through it intact -- I believe I had a tougher road to travel than he did after the merge.
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Foxy, I never claimed that you'd made any promises, that you were disloyal, or that I was any better than you. I merely confessed my own gullibility, and stated my indifference toward discussing which of the people that made me realize it should be rewarded.
It was a game. I lost.
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quote:Originally posted by Gamara: I agree, it appears that Foxy was a tiny bit more, well, foxy in his play. He was willing to do what it took to get to the final 2. While that is sometimes a necessity in a situation like this, and may even be viewed as being a clever, strong player who will do what it takes to come out on top, I still prefer to vote in favor of someone who managed to get here without playing dirty at all. Sorry Foxy, but it looks like Lardy will get my vote as well.
Gamara,
It's not true that I was willing to do whatever it took to get to the final 2, or that I played "dirty" and Lardy never did -- please see Lardy's responses and my response to Davey. Lardy and I were always on the same page throughout the game, and we made decisions together -- so the fact that we are here as the final 2 was a joint effort, not some sort of achievement that I engineered all by myself. To the extent that my game was "dirty," Lardy's was equally "dirty"; and to the extent that my game was "clean," Lardy's was equally "clean."
The one time I overtly misstated anything to Davey was at the final 3 -- prior to that point, I had never made any specific promises to Davey about how far we would go together. I only said we were working together in an alliance, which was completely true. Since Davey had no intention of keeping me past the final 3 either, he and I were treating each other with the same honesty throughout the entire game up to the final 3. Lardy also gave Davey assurances that the 2 of them were final 2. Essentially, Lardy played the precisely the same game as I did in regard to Davey. In fact, it was only because the 2 of us played that game so effectively with each other's full assistance and cooperation that Davey was surprised when Lardy's and my alliance was finally revealed.
In regard to whether Lardy or I was more "misleading" to players in the game other than Davey, see my response to Lance.
I disagree with the notion that I played "dirty" just because I had to make misleading comments when I was repeatedly pressed by 4, 5, up to 6 other people to give them the answers that they wanted to hear. Between Lardy and me, I was the one who was placed in that position -- caught between several different groups that all wanted me to say that I was onboard with them. The comments I made were nothing more than self-preservation -- had I been completely honest, I would have been sent to the jury a long time ago.
Furthermore, just about everyone said misleading and incomplete things to everyone else over the course of the game. I could provide a long list of things that players in the jury box said to me that were misleading and incomplete; in fact, my PM box is still full of 'em. The main difference between me and them is that I was lucky enough to have the numbers to make it to this point. But for a few chance events here and there, I would be sitting in the jury box, and it would be me pointing out that a number of others had been making comments all along that were "misleading."
So my gameplay wasn't somehow "dirty" -- either compared to Lardy's game, or many other people's. And, for the record -- I was not willing to do whatever it took to make it to the final 2. I would never have betrayed Lardy or damaged our friendship to win, and I would sooner have sacrificed my own game. Based on the jury's questions to me, it looks like I did just that.
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quote:Originally posted by dedman: my question is this....
who else in the game game do you feel deserved a spot in the top two, and why?
Dedman:
I know you and Quis from outside the game and like both of you as LWers, but I didn't have the chance to be on the same team as you in this game and get to know your strategy. I don't feel I'm qualified to provide an answer with regard to either of you, so my answer will only focus on the other players for that reason.
Regarding the other 5 members of the jury -- everyone is deserving of being in the final 2, for different reasons. Some played an honest game; some played an independent game; others played strong and smart in the challenges. My comments about people in the Fallen Comrades proceeding just prior to the final 3 challenge pretty much reflect my views of my fellow players. When this game started, I thought we'd have a group of people who wanted to goof off or fool around more than compete. I was wrong -- everyone was in it to win it, and played hard, often going to great lengths to log in to help their team out -- and for that reason, everyone deserves to be in the final 2.
If I had to pick just 1 person, however, I think the edge would go to Novelty. He was an incredibly smart player who dominated some of the challenges, and was really creative with others. It's true that other players have those attributes, as well. However, the reason I give the edge to Nov is because, like me, he was always caught in a difficult position -- and had to navigate many different people requesting his loyalty and his allegiance at the same time. He started on St'balla, like me, then came with me to the new St'balla, where we were paired with two strong players neither of us knew. Come the merge, he faced many of the same decisions as me.
In a way, he played a stronger game than I did, because he went almost as far as I did, but without the support of others in an alliance -- he did it alone, and the whole time with a target on his back. Because he had to make the same difficult decisions following the merge that I did, and also had to make many statements that no doubt were viewed as misleading solely so that he could stay in the game, I have no doubt that he would be facing some of the same questions as me if he had made it to the final 2. For taking that hard road, and almost making it to the end on his wits alone, I would have to say that Nov is my answer for who is deserving to be in the final 2.
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quote:Originally posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire: While I do think Fox was a stronger player than Lardy, due to what we saw posted on this thread and from being his teammate, I was never on Lardy's team and do not know what he did behind the scenes to help his tribe win challenges, can any of his teammates or Lardy himself make a case for him and his play, because I sure would like a reason to vote for him, from my view the only reason Lardy stayed in the game was because of his alliances and not his play, sorry Lardy.
As for Fox, lets give him credit, he was a Player, he played Davy, he played Lance, he played me, and say what you will but he did play the game, whats the old saying don't hate the player hate the game, can anyone out there give me a reason not to vote for Fox, because I'm willing to listen.
Lone Wolf:
You make many good points. I've been a longtime fan of the Survivor TV show, and in my opinion what usually carries a person to victory isn't necessarily strong muscles, or a strong brain, but a strong alliance (of course, it also helps to have the first 2 as well).
Luck also has a lot to do with who goes far in the game. I was truly fortunate that I found someone so early in the game who was willing to be just as true to our alliance as I was, and who stuck with me every step of the way. For that, I'm grateful.
So, it is with all due respect to my alliance mate and friend Lardy -- who I know played this game hard -- that I also agree with your assessment that I was a stronger player overall. I think my challenge performances speak for themselves. And, just as important, I was constantly put in a more difficult position than Lardy was after the merge, in the sense that he had the benefit of being perceived to be in an unbreakable final 2 with Davey, and was left alone a lot more in terms of whether different groups would ask him to side with them. (Also, see my closing statement for a bit more elaboration on these points.)
I'm sorry to hear about your family crisis, and I'm glad that your participation in the game was able to provide some solace. Your strong gameplay definitely helped make this game a big part of what it was, and I enjoyed having the chance to be on your team.
I was also happy to read your post about being able to get your own copy of Adventure #247.
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